The Consequences That Hunter Biden Could Face for Violating Arbitrary Gun Laws Should Give His Father Pause
The president supports the law that could send his son to prison for lying about his personal habits while buying a firearm.

In an interview with CNN's Jake Tapper yesterday, President Joe Biden conceded that his son Hunter lied on a government form when he purchased a handgun in October 2018—a federal felony punishable by up to 10 years in prison. The younger Biden was a crack cocaine user at the time, as recounted in his 2021 memoir Beautiful Things. Yet he answered no to this question on ATF Form 4473: "Are you an unlawful user of, or addicted to, marijuana or any depressant, stimulant, narcotic drug, or any other controlled substance?"
Last week, The Washington Post reported that federal agents believe they have enough evidence to charge Hunter Biden with making that false statement. Although the Post did not mention it, receiving and possessing the gun he bought was also a felony, which at the time likewise was punishable by up to 10 years in prison. The Bipartisan Safer Communities Act, which President Biden signed into law in June, raised the maximum penalty for that offense to 15 years.
Biden presumably does not think his son should go to prison for lying about his personal habits or for violating a federal law that prohibited him from owning a gun. Neither do I. But if that result would be unjust, why does Biden enthusiastically support the laws that allow it?
Under those laws, someone in Hunter Biden's position, if convicted, can be sent to federal prison for years or decades. Furthermore, such a conviction would forever bar him from possessing firearms, whether or not he continued using illegal drugs. If he were caught with a gun after being convicted of a felony, he could be prosecuted again, in which case he would now face up to 15 years in prison. And he would carry all the other lifelong burdens of a felony record.
In the CNN interview, Biden emphasized that his son had "overcome" his drug problems and "established a new life," which a felony conviction obviously would disrupt. "I have great confidence in my son," Biden said. "I love him, and he's on the straight and narrow, and he has been for a couple of years now. And I'm just so proud of him."
You might think that Hunter Biden's violation of federal gun laws, which has been public knowledge for at least six months, would have given his father pause regarding the draconian penalties for such offenses. To the contrary, the president doubled down on that policy by signing the Bipartisan Safer Communities Act, and his administration is actively defending the ban that his son violated.
The federal prohibition of gun possession by unlawful users of controlled substances also applies to cannabis consumers, even if they live in states that allow medical or recreational use of marijuana. Form 4473, which has to be completed by anyone who buys a gun from a federally licensed dealer, emphasizes that point by warning that "the use or possession of marijuana remains unlawful under Federal law regardless of whether it has been legalized or decriminalized for medicinal or recreational purposes in the state where you reside."
Last April, a month after Politico described a bizarre 2018 incident involving the .38-caliber revolver that Hunter Biden illegally owned, Florida Commissioner of Agriculture and Consumer Services Nikki Fried, a Democrat, sued the Biden administration, arguing that the federal ban on firearm possession by medical marijuana users violates the Second Amendment. The Justice Department responded by arguing that the ban is "consistent with this Nation's historical tradition of firearm regulation"—the constitutional test established by the Supreme Court's June 23 decision in New York State Rifle and Pistol Association v. Bruen.
"In England and in America from the colonial era through the 19th century," the Justice Department noted, "governments regularly disarmed a variety of groups deemed dangerous." For instance, "England disarmed Catholics in the 17th and 18th centuries," and "many American colonies forbade providing Indians with firearms." The government's lawyers also mentioned the long history of banning firearm possession by people convicted of certain crimes and state gun laws aimed at "alcoholics" or "intoxicated" individuals. They argued that marijuana's effects on "judgment, cognition, and physical coordination" make cannabis consumption inconsistent with responsible gun ownership.
When the Justice Department filed its motion to dismiss Fried's lawsuit, Biden had already undermined its argument by saying that marijuana use should not be treated as a crime. He had also questioned marijuana's status as a Schedule I substance, a category supposedly reserved for drugs with a high potential for abuse that have no accepted medical applications and cannot be used safely even under a doctor's supervision.
Last week, Biden confirmed both of those positions. He issued a mass pardon for people convicted of simple marijuana possession under the Controlled Substances Act or the District of Columbia Code. And although Biden still has not come around to supporting the repeal of federal pot prohibition, he said "it makes no sense" to treat marijuana as a Schedule I drug. Accordingly, he instructed Secretary of Health and Human Services Xavier Becerra and Attorney General Merrick Garland to "initiate the process of reviewing how marijuana is scheduled under federal law." Yet the Biden administration still maintains that it's appropriate to treat cannabis consumers who own guns as felons.
That position is hard to reconcile with what Biden has said about "our failed approach to marijuana." And the president's more general support for threatening gun-owning drug users with stiff prison terms is hard to reconcile with the more compassionate approach he surely would favor if his son were convicted of knowingly making a false statement "in connection with the acquisition or attempted acquisition of any firearm."
David Weiss, the U.S. attorney for Delaware, has not yet decided whether to charge Hunter Biden with that crime, which is rarely prosecuted. "In the 2019 fiscal year, when Hunter Biden purchased his gun, federal prosecutors received 478 referrals for lying on Form 4473—and filed just 298 cases," the Post reports. The paper compares those numbers to the "27 million background checks" conducted during that period, which is somewhat misleading. A more relevant question is how often a referral results in charges, which according to the Post happened 62 percent of the time in FY 2019.
There are many cases, however, where a false statement is discovered but does not lead to a criminal referral. A 2004 report from the Justice Department's inspector general noted that gun buyers who failed background checks before completing their purchases were almost never prosecuted. The FBI blocked 122,000 gun sales in 2002 and 2003, which represented 0.7 percent of background checks. Only 154 of the would-be gun owners—0.1 percent—were prosecuted.
According to a 2016 report from the same office, prosecution rates were even lower in subsequent years. "These cases lack 'jury appeal' for various reasons," the 2004 report noted. One of those reasons: "The factors prohibiting someone from possessing a firearm may have been nonviolent or committed many years ago."
Even when prohibited persons were allowed to buy guns because the background check was not completed within three business days, recovering those firearms was not a high priority for the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (ATF). The 2004 report noted that there were often delays in retrieving weapons, partly because "ATF special agents did not consider most of the prohibited persons who had obtained guns to be dangerous and therefore did not consider it a priority to retrieve the firearm promptly."
Think about the implications of that observation. Congress has declared that letting certain classes of people own guns poses an intolerable threat to public safety. That threat supposedly is grave enough to justify felony charges and prison terms. Yet the agency charged with enforcing that edict "did not consider most of the prohibited persons who had obtained guns to be dangerous."
Those prohibited persons include illegal drug users like Hunter Biden or medical marijuana patients in Florida; anyone convicted of a crime punishable by more than a year of incarceration, whether or not the offense involved violence and regardless of how long ago it was committed; anyone with a history of court-ordered psychiatric treatment, whether or not he was deemed a threat to others and regardless of how much time has elapsed; and anyone living in the United States without the government's permission. It is no wonder that the ATF's judgment of a gun buyer's dangerousness frequently differs from the one embodied in federal law.
In addition to all the people who are caught lying on Form 4473, there are surely many cases where such lies go undetected, as initially happened with Hunter Biden. Unlike a criminal or psychiatric record, illegal drug use that does not result in an arrest—i.e., nearly all illegal drug use—would not turn up in a background check.
The fact that such gun laws are rarely enforced does not make them less unjust. To the contrary, haphazard enforcement means that a few people will face severe consequences for conduct that many others engage in with impunity. Millions of Americans are notionally forbidden to buy or possess guns, often for reasons that have nothing to do with violent tendencies. Only a tiny percentage of them will ever be prosecuted for daring to exercise their Second Amendment rights.
Hunter Biden might be one of them. If so, he will not deserve a prison sentence for actions that violated no one's rights. But the same is true of many other defendants who run afoul of the arbitrary gun restrictions that his father supports.
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I dunno. I consider the gaslighting and pretending they didn't say something to be disinformation as well.
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I guess it is too much to ask for Reason to do any self-reflection on how they took the word of a bunch of CIA agents that something was "Russian Disinformation" without even a shred of credulity.
Not a chance.
Way too much to ask. But we should still take the feds at face value when they assure us they have super-duper incriminating evidence against Trump, but they just can't tell us what it is.
Hey, give them a break! Its only because they havent finished making it yet.
Hunter Biden probably deserves to go to jail. Not for this, but for a whole multitude of other things, not the least of which is treating with with a foreign power for favors from dear old dad.
Yeah, Reason seems to have gotten the go-ahead on discussing Hunter's drugs and guns issues, but still don't want to talk about the massive bribery and grift (not to mention the tax and financial crimes related to them).
You mean I can’t deduct bribes?
Whatever happened with Trump's payment to Stormy Daniels?
In what way were they criminal?
NDA's are not exactly rare.
Especially with rich people in the public eye.
The entirety of the charges against Hunter are to ultimately protect Joe and allow for a sympathetic pardon of a guy who turned his life around.
Hopefully for the Bidens, the DOJ will stall until the statute of limitations for these crimes passes. It's good having friends in high places.
Hunter Biden is a savvy liberal capitalist like me. None of his actions have even the appearance of wrongdoing. I wish wingnut.com would leave him alone.
#TemporarilyFillingInForButtplug
“But if that result would be unjust, why does Biden enthusiastically support the laws that allow it?”
In a sense, Suderman fills in for buttplug pretty well. Displays of pathetic naïveté like this one are really all you get from reason writers when a Democrat messed up.
Speaking of Biden, the father that is...
https://www.cnn.com/2022/10/11/politics/supreme-court-advocacy-group-joe-biden
President Joe Biden on Tuesday cast the Supreme Court as more of an “advocacy group these days” than an “even handed” court...
Biden is busy trying, yet again, to delegitimize the USSC. IMHO, that should be grounds of impeachment come January. (Found over at Volokh.)
It's popular right now. It's the only reasonable functional branch of government right now, so we might as well destroy confidence in that as well.
Isn't that an insurrection?
Why now, you know it's only "insurrection" if the Rs do it. If the Ds do it, it's "resistance". 😛
John Adams tried that - if you disagreed with government you were an insurrectionist. That has pretty much been tossed.
However, if you plan on overthrowing Congress, possibly kidnapping or killing some key Congressmen then perhaps you are an insurrectionist. Has nothing to do with the dumb MAGA hat you are wearing.
That San interesting hypothetical you pose. Good thing that really ajsmt happened.
do you smell burnt toast? … you’re typing makes we wonder.
phone typing i suppose?
[i don't disagree with your sentiment, mind you]
Large hands, thick fingers. I’m not a great typist. Although totals sounds good,
‘Toast’ goddammit.
From now on, any time the White House and the House of Representatives are in the hands of different parties, the President will be impeached. It's SOP now.
That's why the Senate rule change under Reid was called the "nuclear option". Once you start using the weapon of last resort, you sure as hell better be ready for it to be used against you.
This was the case from Regan through Clinton with the special prosecutors, then everyone decided that was not the correct thing to do. It was pure madness, investigating everything, all the time, publicly making everything large or small seem a massive deal. After the Star report, there was a break and Bush and Obama didn't have to deal with it.
Then Trump -- woah nellie did that invoke the investigative Nuclear Option. They pretty much tried to unperson anyone who worked at the White House as well, but threw around impeachments for nothing and paralyzing investigations of nothing for nothing.
Not sure if I want Rs to show some restraint, or just pop some popcorn and watch the world burn every time Congress is held by a different party than the President.
Biden is a Manchurian Candidate installed by billionaires. He no more won the election with 81 million votes than I did. Slowly the truth will leak out. How'd a little ol' company that makes voting machines get sooooooo rich?
https://www.deepcapture.com/2022/10/response-to-robert-reich-i-challenge/
Now we have a completely corrupt government just like Venezuela, which went from richest country in South America to economic implosion using election fraud and the seizing of the election industry.
BUT OH MY GOD HE HAD A GUN!!!!!
In this case, the crime appears to be lying on a federal form.
Which shouldn’t be a crime.
Really? Should perjury be one too? I think so. How is lying on a federal form not perjury?
Another irony being that Sullum used Trump's lawyer's declaration of no more classified materials as material to a possible obstruction charge in his earlier articles.
So not all lying on forms is equally bad I guess.
That is not irony. That is hypocrisy.
The form is unconstitutional.
This.
Not the lying itself, there shouldn't have been that form to swear to in the first place.
I agree, but let us hear that from SloJoe then we can let his crackhead son off the hook.
Otherwise selective enforcement is an insult to liberty and representative government.
Rule of law, not the rule of man.
We are under no obligation to tell the truth to the government except when under oath in a legitimate legal proceeding. Any law or rule that compels us to do so is unconstitutional.
So, cheating on your taxes and filing false police reports against your enemies is just okie dokie.
Were you born this stupid or did you have to work on it?
You cannot be compelled to file a police report.
You can't be compelled to fill out a gun form either. Just don't buy a gun from a gun dealer. They are called private sales.
Umm -- private sales? That's not universally possible.
And, the right to bear arms is constitutionally enshrined. If the only solution is to forgo your constitutional right, then that's not a valid solution.
You're being obtuse and offensive just for the sake of being so.
I have never bought a gun through a dealer in my life. And I have owned a lot of guns. What do you mean not universally available? Ever hear of a gun show?
Beyond that, you not liking the form or thinking it is illegitimate doesn’t make it okay to lie on it. If you don’t believe in the law, don’t fill the form out at all. Don’t buy from gun dealers. What you don’t do is fill it out and lie. Lying on it is a crime and it should be.
You people just don’t want to talk about reason’s unbelievable hypocrisy here and instead are whining about background checks as if that is the point. It is not.
The point you are missing, Briggs, is that private sales have in fact been outlawed (or made so burdensome as to be functionally illegal) in some states. The fact that you've successfully bought guns privately in other jurisdictions does not invalidate the statement that private sales are not universally possible.
Note that even in jurisdictions that still allow private gun sales, many (soon to be most?) of them still require the filing of government forms. As has been repeated pointed out, the "gun show exception" is a myth.
LOL California would like to have a word with you
And, yes, I heartily endorse tax cheating.
The real point is that Biden is perfectly happy having his DOJ prosecute the great unwashed for these crimes, but his son is above the law.
No, but since it is, why should Baby Boy Hunter, Crackhead Extraordinaire, be exempt? Especially when they have him dead to rights?
Lying on the form should be a crime (same as perjury), but that question should not be on the form. NO nonviolent crime should be cause to ban a person from owning a gun, nor should using unapproved substances be a crime at all.
Interesting note that people don't seem concerned with the millions from the ccp, or the molestation of his neice
That is the idea. Prosecute him for this so that they can call molesting his niece and taking bribes for his father from the CCP and God knows who else "old news".
Based on the pattern of evidence emerging, incest and molestation are common to the Biden Crime Family.
No concern about the FBI going after the people who exposed the issues with Joe's daughter either.
From what I understand he was pretty serious into drugs - and yeah, I don't trust him with said guns. There are enough idiots with guns that when they do their idiot things MY RIGHTS get further infringed by new laws that sorta/kinda address the bad behavior.
So yeah, if you have a felony DUI or using felony amounts of drugs - perhaps you should be allowed to buy a gun.
Beside it was probably a 9mm, and you know what Daddy Joe said about 9mm... more dangerous than a .22 (ignoring for that moment that an AR15 is a .22 (.223 but my custom barrel was ordered as a .22 - for those that care, I wanted a 1:9 twist for better accuracy with cheap, 55g ammo)
That was tossed into a dumpster for anyone to find and use. Imagine the spin if it had been found and used in a robbery-homicide and Biden's name all over it!
and then... A little research into bank accounts of the extended family would reveal the nepotism and "business" dealings all paid for by taxpayers that would not receive the same treatment as Mister Big and his cronies.
So, the same magazine that not two weeks ago was explaining how Donald Trump must be prosecuted for violations of the national records act or the rule of law must die is today telling us that Hunter Biden lying about being a drug addict in his federal application for a gun permit is just a violation of an "arbitrary law" and unworthy of prosecution.
Even someone as pro second amendment as I am, I don't think expecting people to tell the truth on gun applications and denying applications to degenerate addicts is a particularly bad idea. It is certainly not the worst law on the books. Whatever it is, it is a hell of a lot less arbitrary than the national archives act or indeed the entire scheme of classification of government documents. I was always under the impression Libertarians objected to the government classifying information.
Reason gets more pathetic every day.
"I don’t think expecting people to tell the truth on gun applications and denying applications to degenerate addicts is a particularly bad idea."
Hmm. Forty-nine percent of the adult population have tried pot.
(https://www.usnews.com/news/national-news/articles/2021-08-17/record-high-more-americans-are-trying-marijuana-gallup-poll-finds)
Please tell me how these people are a danger to society.
_______
As far as addiction to drugs, according to some, over 10% of Americans are alcoholics.
(One in eight American adults%2C or 12.7 percent,for alcohol use disorder%2C according to the study.)
So these folks are perfectly fine and capable of making good decisions, not affected by their addiction, and in no way a danger to society?
The from asks about active use, not once in the past.
Trying pot is not the same as being an active user. The point is not that this a good or particularly useful law. It isn't. The point is, whatever it is, it is a hell of a lot more sensible and less arbitrary than the laws that reason is convinced must be used to prosecute Trump.
Is it too much to ask that you understand the post before responding to it? Or at least try to understand it rather fixating on one sentence and taking it out of context?
“Is it too much to ask that you understand the post before responding to it? Or at least try to understand it rather fixating on one sentence and taking it out of context?”
Actually, the sentence I quoted seemed out of context to me, to the point I thought you might be being sarcastic.
That being said, I am pretty sure you don’t think that someone who lights up or vapes once in a while after a hard work-week is more of a danger to society than one who does what I used to do, which is stay home and have a nice glass of Oban or JD on the rocks.
It is certainly not the worst law on the books. Whatever it is, it is a hell of a lot less arbitrary than the national archives act or indeed the entire scheme of classification of government documents. I was always under the impression Libertarians objected to the government classifying information.
What part of that do you not understand? The point here is not the merits of this law. The point here is reason's hypocrisy.
I can only dumb things down for you idiots so much. Try to work with me a little.
You seem to be doing a lot of arguing the merits of the law too.
Yeah, the law is what it is. I don't think Hunter should get a special exception. But in a better world, this would not be the charge he is facing.
All very true. And if reason had laughed out the potential charges against Trump, they would have some moral standing to laugh these charges out. They didn't do that. So, they don't.
I am mostly unconcerned with Reason's supposed hypocrisy (it is, after all, a political site). I mean, what are they going to do, bar me from posting if I partake of the "wrong" drug?
I am concerned with the hypocrisy of the law itself. We have a couple of past presidents who admit to having smoked pot, (well, one who didn't "inhale," apparently), as well as many lower-level elected officials and other-noteworthy government officials (dating back to Sergeant Sunshine, a Mendocino law-enforcement officer who openly smoked pot on the courthouse steps back, oh fifty or so years ago), who apparently did not suffer from prosecution or denial of rights due to a toke or two.
The law wasn't passed based on evidence that active drug users are more likely to misuse a gun. I don't believe such evidence exists. And I don't see any "unless you are on drugs" clause in the 2nd amendment.
And as others are also saying, I'm a lot more concerned about an alcoholic with a gun than a stoner with a gun. But I don't want them to lose their right to self defense either.
Yes it does Zeb
According to a research in the United States in 2010, 70% of male prisoners were drug abusers which is significant compared to the 11.2% rate of drug abuse in the entire male population (2). Alcohol has the highest relationship with aggressive crimes. According to reports, criminals who had abused drugs and alcohol simultaneously committed 21.4% of aggressive crimes. Among individuals who were arrested in Australia during 2004, 82% had a history of drug abuse, 69% had abused drugs at least 6 months before their arrest and 62% frequently abused drugs (3).
This cross sectional descriptive analytical study was designed and carried out to determine the relationship between the type of crime and the drug abused by addicted prisoners. The statistical population consisted of all 923 addicted male prisoners in Zahedan central prison who were under methadone maintenance treatment in prison. They were selected by census. The information collection tool was via a questionnaire and an interview. Research data was analyzed with the SPSS 19 software using descriptive indicators of statistical analysis. Apart from demographic factors and the individual’s addiction history, the type of crime was investigated as well.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4070162/
Think about it for a moment. Of course, drug users are more likely to be criminals. That is not because drugs make a law-abiding person a criminal. No, it is because criminals are much more likely to use drugs than non-criminals and criminals thus are a much higher percentage of drug users than they are of society as a whole.
Come on.
Correlation is not causation, punishing non-criminal drug users for the actions of others in abhorrent.
That shows that criminals are more likely to use drugs. But how much more likely is a person who uses drugs to be a criminal (excluding drug crimes)? There are a lot more drug users than serious criminals. Most of them manage never to directly harm anyone. I think you need a lot more than that to justify infringing on a basic right.
The form asks if you are a *current* user of federally illegal drugs, not if you've ever used.
The federal government has no constitutional authority to declare a drug "illegal".
That is nice. The courts disagree. So, the question is does Hunter Biden get a free pass when no one else does.
Yes.
The courts also disagree on many of the things we assume to be natural rights. That’s not the same thing as actually supporting the spurious basis of their rulings in the hope that it might take down someone we don’t like.
I guess you missed the paragraph in the article showing that 99.9% of people who lie on the form are not prosecuted. If the federal databases show that they should have answered "yes" instead of "no", the BATFE rejects the background check but it's very rare for them to refer the case to a DA, and the federal DA's dislike bringing a such a case before a jury. They seem to be afraid of jury nullification if they prosecute such a charge for any ordinary guy without a record of violent crimes.
OTOH, if the defendant is the son of a President, I'd be awfully tempted to apply the law as it's written, rather than my understanding of the Constitution....
So, is it really a lie if you are not high right at that moment?
Yes. Yes it is.
Just say "I quit last night and am highly likely to have a relapse tonight".
If you really did, then no it isn't a lie. If you never had any intention of quitting, than it is. This isn't hard.
My point is, how do you prove it's a lie or not?
Read Hunters memoir where he admits it.
What's the cutoff? A day? A month? A year?
He was probably high at that moment.
You have to understand, Briggs is on record stating that he is totally on board with using state power to punish his enemies. So he is going to argue whatever position is required to justify punishing a Democrat.
When it’s a Democrat caught lying on a form, he will argue that THE LAW’S THE LAW and the scoundrel should be punished.
When it’s a Republican caught lying on a form, he will argue THE LAW’S UNJUST and will justify how the sweet little angel shouldn’t be punished at all.
Because the point here isn’t the principle or even the law itself, the point is the raw use of power to punish his enemies.
I mean he isnt calling for capital punishment for trespassing. So still way better than you.
Pedo Jeffy protecting democrats and condemning republicans. But totally not a leftist
Give it a rest fatfuck.
An additional point to be made is Biden's push to have vaccine refusers denied an honorable or administrative discharge from the Armed Forces.
When Trump pointed out that Hunter was discharged from the Navy, much hash was made that he wasn't dishonorably discharged as punitive discharges were generally reserved for violent felonies and/or high crimes against the state. Using cocaine, which is illegal, generally a felony at any amount, and was conditional at the time of enlisting isn't punishable by military standards but refusing a vaccine, which isn't illegal, isn't even a misdemeanor, and wasn't conditional at the time of enlisting should've been.
The amount of hypocrisy that Hunter Biden generates without healing the crippled and raising the dead is astounding.
Using cocaine, which is illegal, generally a felony at any amount, and was conditional at the time of enlisting isn’t punishable by military standards but refusing a vaccine, which isn’t illegal, isn’t even a misdemeanor, and wasn’t conditional at the time of enlisting should’ve been.
And, per the point below, while I don't think people should be punished for using cocaine or refusing to get a vaccine. I don't consider the decision to disqualify them for service lest they infect a whole barracks or lose their bearings and steer a patrol boat into the path of a comparably immense and slow-moving destroyer, arbitrary.
Even when the commander and chief admits to having done it?
Obviously, we’ve all known someone so fucked up on their compulsion to constantly be high that they aren’t fit to wipe themselves, let alone serve in any capacity. But you can say the same for alcohol.
Obviously, if someone’s drunk on duty, you shave their belly with a rusty razor. Even pirates had rules about that in their articles.
But a lot of this chatter is based on voodoo pharmacology or the square’s having some notion you’re an instant addict the second you try something. And a naive notion that soldiers aren’t just going to huff dust off or take 4 times the recommended dose of Wellbutrin before a patrol, anyway.
As for the vaccine, the science hasn’t remotely matched the claims since last Nov. And we’re hemorrhaging soldiers just before WWIII. Unintended consequences?
"Even when the commander and chief admits to having done it?"
I assume you mean the Commander in Chief.
Who, not coincidentally is entirely exempt from the Uniform Code of Military Justice.
You may not like that reality, but is the price we pay for civilian control of the military.
Isn't that pic of Hunter in the dictionary under douche?
No, because putting Hunter Biden in one's pussy doesn't make it cleaner.
Somebody get the aloe vera, because that was a burn.
It usually results in the necessity for an aggressive course of antibiotics.
The Consequences That Hunter Biden Could Face for Violating Arbitrary Gun Laws Should Give His Father Pause
'Arbitrary' is the wrong adjective. 'Illegitimate' or 'Federal' or similar (or no adjective at all) works but arbitrary makes it seem like asking someone if they're a violent sociopath or coked out of their skull before I sell them a gun is unreasonable. Pushes the statement from libertarian to libertine, IMO.
That is an excellent point. This law isn't arbitrary at all. It is perfectly sensible. An arbitrary law would be something like requiring the form be filed in triplicate or that the applicant confirm he has never actively supported the New England Patriots.
At most this is an illegitimate law because it exceeds federal power or a useless law because it doesn't really accomplish the purpose of keeping guns away from criminals. It is not, however, an arbitrary law.
This sort of thoughtful analysis and precision of language is not something that Sulumn does. If it were, he wouldn't be writing for reason. Mindless hackery is Sulumn's move.
I’m going to stick with arbitrary. I can agree some basic vetting for extreme behavior is a good thing.
But there has to be a clear delineation about these things, legally Unless you’re going to apply the same rules to anyone who drank alcohol in the last week being “an alcoholic” who’ll end up shooting his wife because she burnt the chicken, and anyone who’s prayed in the last couple days as being a “religious fundamentalist zealot buying a gun to make things right with the world”.
"""In England and in America from the colonial era through the 19th century," the Justice Department noted, "governments regularly disarmed a variety of groups deemed dangerous." For instance, "England disarmed Catholics in the 17th and 18th centuries," and "many American colonies forbade providing Indians with firearms." "
They say that like their discrimination was a good thing. Don't forget black people, government didn't want them to have guns either.
Yes, how about that? It used to be OK to hold slaves also... What does THAT have to do with with right, wrong, or justice today?
Our "legal experts" are evil idiots at times!
You can't disarm black people you racist fuck. Give it up.
Power pigs can power pig in ANY way that they WANT to power pig, if they have the power! That doesn't make it RIGHT or JUST, is all! Just like SOME evil power pigs want to tear down Section 230, so that they can punish one person for the writings of another! Power pigs simply don't CARE about what is right or wrong!
Black people can own guns just like white people. Get over it you crazy fuck.
All people are entitled to have their votes counted honestly! Get over it, you crazy fuck.
(That is, until such time as Supreme Power Pig Der TrumpfenFuhrer gets His Way! Ass supported by His Perfect Trumplings!)
Der TrumpfenFuhrer ***IS*** responsible for agitating for democracy to be replaced by mobocracy!
https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/24/politics/trump-election-warnings-leaving-office/index.html
A list of the times Trump has said he won’t accept the election results or leave office if he loses.
Essential heart and core of the LIE by Trump: “ANY election results not confirming MEEE as Your Emperor, MUST be fraudulent!”
September 13 rally: “The Democrats are trying to rig this election because that’s the only way they’re going to win,” he said.
Trump’s constant re-telling and supporting the Big Lie (any election not electing Trump is “stolen”) set up the environment for this (insurrection riot) to happen. He shares the blame. Boys will be boys? Insurrectionists will be insurrectionists, trumpanzees gone apeshit will be trumpanzees gone apeshit, so let’s forgive and forget? Poor Trump was misunderstood? Does that sound good and right and true?
It really should immediately make us think of Krystallnacht. Hitler and the NAZIs set up for this by constantly blaming Jews for all things bad. Jew-haters will be Jew-haters, so let’s forgive and forget? Poor Hitler was misunderstood? Does that sound good and right and true?
Black can own guns. Get over it.
Marxist right-wing wrong-nuts can DEMAND to take over the private property (web sites) of others! Get OVER it, Marxist right-wing wrong-nut!!! Might makes right (in the eyes of Marxist right-wing wrong-nuts!!!)!!!
You need to get over your prejudice against black people
You need to get over your prejudice against private property, Marxist right-wing wrong-nut! And freedom, justice, individual rights, non-power-piggishness, non-smugness, non-self-righteousness, non-tribalism, and non-EVIL!!! Don't be evil! What comes around, goes around!
This comment string is hilarious with sqrlsy [i had to check the name] muted... it reads like he's insistent on disarming blacks.
Attacking strawmen IS hilarious... For mentally stunted and dishonest folks!
(Oh, and WHY do ALL conservaturds INSIST on torturing, killing, and then drinking the blood of, all the newborn Christian babies?)
Has he resorted to this ‘Tim the Enchanter’ bullshit yet?
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So I discussed your awesome talents with some dear personal friends on the Reason staff… Accordingly…
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So Hitlerite left-wing Nationalsocialists are different from these...?
But how do they pass the background checks since they apparently have so much trouble getting an id? /s
Biden presumably does not think his son should go to prison for lying about his personal habits or for violating a federal law that prohibited him from owning a gun. Neither do I.
What a strange aside. At one point Sullum was also against the over classification of documents and the use of classification to hide documents from the FOIA... yet he seemed to argue for jailing Trump on those charges.
And then there is the whole Assange thing, which, if you think what he did should be legal, essentially nullifies the whole concept of classifying government documents,
I think that Hunter Biden should claim that he wasn't using illegal drugs, never lied on the form... He lied when he wrote a book about his recovery, went to therapy, babbled to people about it, etc.! Make the power pigs PROVE that he was "doing drugs"!
(And if they supposedly CAN prove it was him doing drugs, tell them that it wasn't really him, it was his body double!)
facing a decade in jail for not copping to being a drug user when purchasing a firearm seems ridiculously harsh.
Imagine facing 11 years for protesting an abortion clinic.
can't believe they're fucking with that guy in that way
They are up to 12 protestors under charges from FACE. Not just 1 anymore.
Wow, you'd think an ostensibly libertarian publication might take note of such abusive government action.
According to Pedo Jeffy, only democrats are abused by law enforcement.
I have never heard of anyone being prosecuted for admitting to drug use on a federal form of any kind. Moreover, it would be impossible to do so based entirely on such an admission even if the government tried it. A person cannot be convicted on the basis of a confession alone without some corroborating evidence.
Bullshit.
Then prove me wrong. If such a case exists, you should be able to easily find an example in the news somewhere. I will be waiting.
Also, the rule on confessions is iron clad. So, there would have to be something to corroborate the admission on the form.
Even admitting it while going for security clearances doesn't trigger an arrest. They need truthfulness, so they do not target people who admit to it on forms.
You are talking out your ass Vernon. If you check that box on the form all that happens is the FFL tells you that you are a prohibited purchaser and that the transaction is over. It does not even reach the point of NICS.
I'm going to be nice and assume you had a brain fart.
First, it's Hunter Biden. Dude tested positive for coke and wasn't even charged. There are plenty of people who did nothing other than test positive and are facing the same or stiffer sentences. Plenty of others of similar privilege but, my running theme: saying it's unfair in this case is rather egregiously slanted.
Second, delineating from the first (apologies if I'm being obnoxious holding my nose and gasping at your brain fart but...) it's *up to* 10 yrs. The same is true for straw purchasing. Most straw purchasers don't get time and, if they do, they don't get 10 yrs. 10 yrs. is usually reserved for the guy with over 100 purchases operating a straw buyer ring.
Third, working backwards from the first two, he's not even charged yet. Saying it's unfair for him to face 10 yrs. when Juan Huererra faces 10 yrs. on suspicion of straw purchasing is, again, egregiously slanted.
Nominally, the whole point of the question is to avoid this slant. Whether you lied that you were a felon or use drugs once or are a straw purchaser is immaterial to whether you illegally took possession of the firearm. Whether we agree with it or not, felons aren't supposed to possess firearms, whether the guns fell from the sky or the felon strangled their own their mother and took it from her corpse is for mitigation at sentencing.
>> you had a brain fart
me? lying on paper = possible 10 years seems harsh ... like one of those "plead guilty to something lesser and pay the U.$.A. so you don't have to goto jail for 10 years" possible sentences
Biden emphasized that his son had "overcome" his drug problems and "established a new life," which a felony conviction obviously would disrupt.
Hmm. Haven't the Trumps "established new lives" as well?
Yes, separately.
Anyone here remember when the bog standard response here to objections that Reason was abandoning libertarian principle in pursuit of "getting" Donald Trump was that libertarians take a hard line on whoever is in power? Yeah, good times.
If only you cared about the litany of other crimes he's carried out for his father. If only you had this sort of concern about arbitrary laws and enforcement in a consistent manner rather than the nakedly partisan application you engage in. Fuck off you marxist POS.
Rarely does one get prosecuted, much less, go to jail, for a dinky application 'lie' when it involves a single gun for personal use. Law is not arbitrary but certainly could be made clearer.
Is this a joke? You're joking right? It's the internet, so it's hard to tell sometimes.
According to the Washington Post 298 cases were filed for lying on a background application in 2019, the year Biden did this.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/06/09/lying-atf-gun-purchase-form-yields-few-prosecutions-new-data-shows/
Whether you would call that "rare" is a subjective question. Certainly not unheard of.
Yes, but they didn’t get pardoned by daddy.
I always figured it was something that gets add on top of other charges. Like get busted for possession then they find you own guns so you get charged with lying on the form. I never considered it to be a primary offence. More like another brick the DA puts on the scale to force you into a plea.
It is a primary offense when the person admits their guilt in an interview in ‘60 Minutes’.
Law is not arbitrary but certainly could be made clearer.
Pretty clear, IMO. Or maybe better stated that legislatively penning "OK, you get off once, but only this one time." doesn't improve the issue at all.
If the prosecutor feels they can't make the case that the pen didn't slip in your hand, or that they know you lied but only to get a gun to defend your family or whatever, that's not really a legislative issue.
You can't support limits on what a person can put into his body, and then claim that you are "pro-choice."
Why?
1. I've seen no evidence the Biden's have any interest in their children beyond the 10% the Big Guy gets.
2. Why be concerned about consequences that you'll never face. Hunter is not going to face anything worse than a severe questioning - with lawyer present - from the DOJ. Even after Biden leaves office. I don't know about Republicans outside of Trump anymore, but Democrat political families are untouchable.
I wouldn't be surprised if Hunter Biden is charged with something. The contrast between Hunter Biden's brazen criminality and the pettiness of DOJ's pursuit of Trump has become so great only people like Sulumn and the reason staff refuse to see it. I think the Biden Administration is going to realize if they haven't already that something has to be done.
There is also the chance, albeit small, that a future Republican administration might actually apply the law to Hunter Biden. And no one wants that.
So, I have a feeling they are going to indict him for some process crime like lying on a federal gun form and then allow him to plead out with some slap on the wrist. Doing this will accomplish two things. First, it would allow media hacks like Sulumn to declare the Hunter Biden story "old news" and be able to keep the public from fully understanding how corrupt the Bidens actually are. Second, it would set the precedent that it is acceptable to go after Presidential children. So, Hunter Biden will get a slap on the wrist and a few hours of community service for literally a lifetime of criminal conduct and the son or daughter of some future Republican President will get a decade or more in a real pound you in the ass federal prison for some process crime that they were forced to pled guilty to on the threat of personal bankruptcy.
You can almost see the hardon someone like Sulumn gets thinking about such a series of events.
Indictment and pleading out also means he can't be indicted again. Double jeopardy.
Yes it does.
So, I have a feeling they are going to indict him for some process crime like lying on a federal gun form and then allow him to plead out with some slap on the wrist.
^Put it in a manila envelop.
That’s my thought as well. I suspect he will somehow get blanket immunity for all his other crimes as well. Just in case a future DOJ decides to go after him.
Ohhh that's where your wrong the bidens are very interested in children, you know in the spb way
This guy gets it.
Incest and child rape appears to be the standard for the Biden family. Which explains a lot about Hunter,
As if dad won't pardon him if convicted.
Didn't this piece of shit also leave a gun in a dumpster near an elementary school or something? I feel like that's a little more than "arbitrary."
Yes, he did. He also smoked crack and hired hookers on video for the entire world to see. I seem to recall crack being against the law and there being something called The Mann Act that says something about taking hookers across state lines.
But the whole thing is just "arbitrary" unlike whether Donald Trump's staff filled out the right forms to declassify every piece of paper he took from the White House.
HE CROSSED STATE LINES?
Brilliant artists are always persecuted.
Misunderstood artists. They're not brilliant until they're dead.
Speaking of which... are his paintings still selling or did those sales go the way of Clinton Foundation donations once Trump beat Hillary?
Of course Joe Biden is still for these gun laws being enforced. But that's against other people. These laws certainly wouldn't apply to Hunter. He is a Biden. Remember, you don't fk with a Biden.
“Remember, you don’t fk with a Biden.”
Unless you’re an older Biden.
All of these "Gun Control" laws are for one purpose. Make voters think they are getting a good deal in public safety, and harass law abiding citizens who own guns. If any regular citizen was caught doing this, there would be no public outcry of "unfairness", and it would cost too much to fight the government. Hunter Biden, on the other hand, is fortunate enough that his Daddy is the head of the "Ruling Class". Nothing will happen to dear little Hunter. He doesn't give a damn if he can ever legally own a gun again, as he gets Secret Service protection just because of his Daddy.
These laws are never enforced against the elite in any meaningful way. That is why the elite likes them so much.
Oh, please. There is no possibility of Hunter Biden being punished for anything.
The Consequences That Hunter Biden Could Face
Like what? A presidential pardon?
Presidential Medal of Freedom.
Hunter Biden lied on a contract. He should be punished.
Contract signed under duress, in some states the only way to legally acquire guns is via that contract. This is a bit like saying your protection deal with the mafia should be sacrosanct.
Hunter Biden should be in jail for diddling a minor and various corruption charges, this one is horseshit.
4473's are not contracts.
sorry Briggs Cunningham I accidentally flagged a comment. I also wish this 'reasonable' emag would examine how they just let the whole thing fly and took the NYT opinion with no examination of the actual facts.
They don't do that because the first rule of the journolist is "you don't talk about the journolist". They had orders and talking points and for reason that was enough.
Flagging someone’s comment on the Reason website causes absolutely nothing to happen to that someone or their comment.
Exactly. Reason isn't like the websites that everyone on the comments complains about, though you wouldn't know that from their bitching.
that everyone bitches about it is part of the charm.
😉
And you endlessly complain about people complaining. Perhaps more than the complainers.
Alright boys and girls, to be a “true” libertarian you want the book thrown at this motherfucker.
He’s a son of a Democrat, which is infinitely worse than son of a bitch or son of a whore.
Anyway, these libertarian principles about unjust laws don’t extend to this guy. Especially because he was part of the international plot to steal the election. For that alone he deserves death.
So let’s all give three cheers to unjust laws! Hip hip hooray! Hip hip hooray! Hip hip hooraaaaaay!
Edit: now cue the choruses of "sad" "broken" "poor sarc" "carrying water for Democrats" and the rest of the intelligent and astute observations from the resident geniuses.
I keep thinking you will make a sensible point someday. You forever disappoint. I am not sure what is sadder, that you wrote this post at all or that you thought it was in any way clever or enlightening.
I keep thinking you’ll someday have something to say that isn’t a personal attack on someone.
Ha! Just kidding. I never thought that.
If you would ever do something that doesn't warrant a personal attack, that day will happen. So, keep trying.
Personal attacks are for people who have nothing to say, so they attack instead. Basically you just said that everything I say goes over your head leaving you no choice but to attack. Which is what I was saying. So thank you for confirming my point.
How amusing that sarc, the king of personal attacks, is again whining about personal attacks.
Personal attacks are often warranted against you because you’re such a disingenuous twat most of the time. If you ever bother to notice, I’m far more civil to you when you make calm, reasonable points without bitching and shrieking.
If you want to be treated better, act better. And be prepared to earn better treatment.
" these libertarian principles about unjust laws don’t extend to this guy."
No, that's a BS argument. The sources are saying Hunter Biden is guilty of lying to the government. Now, maybe that shouldn't be illegal. Maybe laws against lying to the government are unjust. I'm actually not rejecting either claim. What I am noting is that Sullum, not Reason generically, Sullum, the author of this article, wrote here just a couple of weeks ago that Donald Trump should be prosecuted for lying to the government. Well, no. Either you believe it's an unjust law or you don't. There's no such thing as an unjust law that suddenly becomes just when the person being prosecuted by it is somebody you don't like. And, as I recall, you were there specifically backing that argument up. So, where's the principle? Or did you just misspell principals.
Lying to the government was hardly Trump's only crime.
Did he also cross state lines?
While carrying top secret United States intelligence.
How would a president fly to another state and still be able to be briefed on Air Force One?
Whether that's true or not (I'm in no way saying it is.) is irrelevant. Responsible people don't say, "Well, he may not be guilty of what he's accused of, but I'm sure he's guilty of something, so find him guilty." If you think Donald Trump is guilty of violating just laws, then prosecute him for violating those laws. What doesn't make sense is saying he should be prosecuted for violating certain laws and everyone else shouldn't because those laws are unjust.
The laws Trump broke are not unjust. In fact, we probably need a bunch of new laws to cover the crimes he personally invented.
Name his crimes. And by that, I mean actual violations of the criminal code on the books. Not ‘shit Tony doesn’t like because Trump is a big meanie’. Then back it up with some kind of citations that aren’t just shrill leftist claims (like Adam Schiff’s ultimately unsupported claims of having Russia collusion proof).
Put up or shut up.
So Sullum wrote "only Orange Hitler should be liable for Catch-22 doublespeak prosecution, but Drug Czar Junior should get a pass!"? Where's that? Or do I need Grabber Of Pussy X-Ray glasses to see that line?
Dude, you're kind of bringing it on yourself. You first whine like this, claiming something that isn't true in the name of bothsidesism, then go into combat when someone calls you out on it.
Chorus 2, from Country Joe: Well it's Tricky Dick from Yorba Linda
Hip hip hip hooray
Yea it's Tricky Dick from Yorba Linda
Hip hip hip hooray!
He walks, he talks, he smiles, he frowns...
he does what a human can...
It's tricky Dick from Yorba Linda
He's a genuine plastic man!
The problem with the question on the form is that is does not define "user of". What if I decided to go sober a month before I fill it out. A week. That morning? Am I still "a user"? Who is to say what constitutes a user. The govt hasn't, at least not on the form. So unless you are high when you fill it out, I am not sure how they can prove you are a user.
Who knows? Probably a judge (yet we see they don't agree either; 5-4 being a common split when the top nine justices in the land put their legal brains together.) Like earlier we heard about the 4th amendment prohibiting "unreasonable searches and seizures." What's "unreasonable?" Some will justify almost anything being reasonable after the events of 9-11.
This issue comes up in other areas of federal law, and it is decided by case law. If you currently test positive for drugs or if you have physical addiction, you are a drug user. If your last drug use is more than a year ago, you are probably not a "current user". In between it is decided on a case-by-case basis.
The Circuit Courts of Appeals have held that a person can still be considered a current user even if he or she has not used drugs for a number of weeks or even months. For example, in Zenor v. El Paso Healthcare Systems, Ltd.,[19] the court held that the employee, a pharmacist, was a current user because he had used cocaine five weeks prior to his notification that he was going to be discharged. In Salley v. Circuit City Stores, Inc.,[20] the court noted that it knew of no case in which a three-week period of abstinence has been considered long enough to take an employee out of the status of current user. [21] ... In concluding that the plaintiff was still a current illegal drug user, the court noted that the ordinary or natural meaning of the phrase currently using drugs does not require that a drug user have a heroin syringe in his arm or a marijuana bong to his mouth at the exact moment contemplated. [26] Rather, according to the court, someone is a current user if he or she illegally used drugs in a periodic fashion during the weeks and months prior to discharge. [27]
I leave it to you to do more research on Google.
Hunter Biden was provably using cocaine during the period where he completed the FFL form. This includes his own admissions during the 60 Minutes interview.
It's easy... "How many fingers, Winston?"
These laws are ridiculous and the sentencing limits are insane.
But the guy who FUCKING MADE THE LAWS should experience this evil he has laid upon countless other citizens.
Sorry. Fuck Hunter and even more espeically fuck his evil fucking dad who is literally responsible for this.
So you oppose any and all forms of gun licensing?
Because if you accept that there ought to be some restrictions on gun ownership, then there must be consequences for obtaining guns by misrepresentation and fraud.
One of Biden's pet judges just stayed the TRO from Judge Suddaby. She is a simian who wants whites unarmed so her "brothers" can prey.
Go back to Stormfront, asshole
Go back to f*cking your negro wife.
So the Stormfront accusation checks out. It’s funny that you censored “fucking” in your statement when that wasn’t the offensive part.
You’re the nigger here. Not his hypothetical black wife.
If you don't go to jail for lying on the 4473 then "you ain't black."
Change my pitch up
Smack my wrist up
Meanwhile:
https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/pfizer-exec-admits-under-oath-we-never-tested-covid-vaccine-against-transmission
Roos, of the Netherlands, argued in a Twitter video Monday that following Small’s comments to him, millions of people around the world were duped by pharmaceutical companies and governments.
“Millions of people worldwide felt forced to get vaccinated because of the myth that ‘you do it for others,'” Roos said.
“Now, this turned out to be a cheap lie” and “should be exposed,” he added.
“If you don’t get vaccinated, you’re anti-social. This is what the Dutch Prime Minister and Health Minister told us,” Roos said.
“You don’t get vaccinated just for yourself, but also for others—you do it for all of society. That’s what they said.”
But that argument no longer holds, Roos explained.
“Today, this turns out to be complete nonsense. In a COVID hearing in the European Parliament, one of the Pfizer directors just admitted to me—at the time of introduction, the vaccine had never been tested on stopping the transmission of the virus.”
Were you ever forced by the government to get a vaccine?
If Republicans want to kill themselves with stupidity, I say let freedom ring over those purple mountain majesties.
Covid death rates are higher among Republicans than Democrats, mounting evidence shows.
I mean threatening ones livelihood and disallowing them to go places does have an effect.
We all lived through the same pandemic. The only difference between people like me and people like you is that I did not roll around on the floor having a hysterical baby fit because of unobtrusive hygiene measures. Don't you think it's a bit late in the century to still be treating vaccines like black voodoo?
Christ, the whining. The endless, endless whining.
You should know about whining, Tony. Look in a mirror.
You do whine an awful lot. I agree with you that it’s annoying.
Tony, you’re a stupid bleating, whiney, slimy cunt.
Kill yourself. The end.
Yes. But observe that it is ALL Republican Trojan planted infiltraitor whining. Not a single libertarian sheds a tear over Orange Hitler being thrown under the Panzer by his fellow National Socialist looters. Enslavers of Women, Grabbers of Pussy, robbers of assets--these are all of them 100% fascist looters--exactly like Tony--just more superstitious over their Invisible Male Friend.
“100% safe and effective with no downsides”.
It only has to have fewer downsides than the disease itself, technically.
Let's see, a cold versus a heart problem. No contest there.
In case you didn't catch it, I heartily encourage you and everyone who votes like you to continue believing Covid is just a cold.
Sometimes you just have to let evolution play out.
As a very talented man once said, "Roos, don't bring me down."
You don't understand.
Nazi-Law isn't for Nazi-Fans. They are for those 'icky' slaves.. 🙂
So the reason we must reinstate Donald Trump as president is because some guy who isn't the president violated a law that shouldn't even be a law?
Smoking gun indeed.
So you oppose any form of gun control, Tony? Any crook, criminal, and mentally ill person should be able to get a gun without any restrictions?
I don't know man. I don't think a civilized society needs any guns at all in private hands. It's the pragmatic inclusion of the supposed interests of gun nuts that make the problem politically complicated, and I'm no expert on either public health or guns.
I think we can consider hunting a legitimate pastime, so how about a compromise? We ban all guns except those used by Hunters.
OK, so you then want people punished for obtaining guns illegally.
Hunter Biden obtained guns illegally and ought to be punished for it.
I barely even know who you're talking about. I care about climate change, foreign policy, healthcare, economic prosperity, and so forth.
You care about Hunter Biden because the media you consume has you convinced that, in contrast to all that stuff, his private affairs are the most important thing in the universe.
Your brain has been turned to mashed potatoes. You have bigger concerns than some random guy breaking a law somewhere.
What are you doing here Tony??
You obviously need a GUN toting dictator to ensure you do exactly what you're told. Pretty sure you think the Revolutionary war was the worst thing to happened to America. Let me guess; Great Britain had every right to steal from the people of the USA too.
"Your brain has been turned to mashed potatoes", Leftard Projection at it's finest.
Everybody cares about those topics. The difference between you and other people is that you are politically and economically illiterate, and because of that you believe the idiotic propaganda of corrupt semi-facists.
Joe Biden, our semi-fascist president, would not have been elected if the media had properly reported on his and his family's corruption.
No, Tony, your brain has been turned into mashed potatoes. You are the same kind of gullible fool that marched for Hitler a century ago.
Tony would definitely have supported the Nazis because he’s very much a [current thing] supporter to the bone, but I think marching would have been too much effort for him. What’s the 1930s equivalent of liking a post? He’s have done that.
And Hillary Clinton would still be president if James Comey hadn't had his little press conference.
You don't get election do-overs, even if the politics was unfair.
Where did I ask for an "election do-over"?
I'm simply pointing out that Hunter Biden's crimes were not a private matter, like you falsely claimed, but a political matter.
Voters can decide what they think is an important matter to them.
Your problem is you could never get your story straight. Hunter Biden had a laptop. Okay. And the Trumps tried to steal the election. It's all relative.
They can't do that if the media conspire with one political party to suppress derogatory information about their candidates; that's what I am pointing out.
Hunter Biden sold access and influence to foreign governments and oligarchs and shared the proceeds with his father; Hunter Biden's laptop contains the evidence. That's been clear for a couple of years, and nobody I know ever changed that "story".
So move your serially gangbanged ass to Australia and fuck the fuck off.
So Kristallnacht Tony hates the idea of guns in Jewish hands; then again, that's not a new pretext for invoking the violence of law.
So Tony is new spokesman for Trumpanzees who struggle to evade knowledge of the existence of law-changing Libertarian spoiler vote clout? "Et tu... Poote?"
Hunter Biden is a world-class crook who has victimized Americans with his corrupt and fraudulent dealings. He is also a deeply irresponsible person who doesn't care about harming himself or others.
So, if we are going to have firearms licensing restrictions at all, people like Hunter Biden should not be permitted to own firearms. And implementing such restrictions means that we need to hold people accountable when they lie on their applications.
Throw the book at him: he deserves it.
So everyone in circumstances similar to Hunter Biden's shouldn't be allowed to buy a gun. *Takes notes*
(What I'm doing is pretending you have principles other than "whatever helps Mitch McConnell become majority leader.")
No, that is not what I said. What I said is that given that we have restrictions on gun ownership, those restrictions should certainly apply to drug addicts like Hunter Biden.
I’d be happy with abolishing all federal gun licensing and firearms restrictions, and then even nasty pieces of sh*t like Hunter Biden can buy firearms.
What you are demonstrating is that you have very strong principles: you are a totalitarian to the core, and you are incapable of any kind of nuanced discussion or ethical analysis.
Abolishing all restrictions on guns is not a nuanced position.
Or do you mean your position is nuanced now that you've decided to endorse an exception for Hunter Biden??
Tony, your brain is about as functional as bowl of mashed potatoes.
“Exception for Hunter Biden” really isn’t a phrase you’re allowed to use against others, especially if you’re pretending you’re not a hypocrite.
But I've endorsed no such exception. If he committed a crime, let him do the time.
I'll even do you the favor of not opening a discussion about how this society treats drug addicts as criminals when it should treat them as having medical needs. Or a discussion about the 2nd amendment.
Throw him the book. I don't give a crap. He's just some guy.
"If Trump's family is guilty of something, go ahead and throw the book at him. I don't care. I'll be over here, wearing my MAGA hat, and whining about crooked Hillary and the integrity of our criminal justice system."
Whatever you say, oh consistent one.
Hunter Biden isn't just "some guy", he's the son of the president, and a bagman for the Biden family's corrupt endeavors.
He should be charged with every single crime documented on his laptop, and so should his father.
The full title is ‘Biden Crime Family’.
Violent, corrupt, child-molesting drug addicts who abandon their weapons near elementary schools? Yeah, I'm cool with the book being thrown at this shitstain.
Normal people simply don't care. Ask any Democrat and they will tell you that if Hunter Biden committed a crime, he should be treated the same as any other criminal.
You of course want to make sure the law targets him because you think it would help the Republican party politically.
Only one of us is a psychotic asshole.
Hunter Biden's crimes involved his father, and as such, they are politically relevant.
Of course, Democrats want to sweep that under the rug because they are in the thrall of a semi-fascist party led by an incompetent, senile psychopath.
Okay, if Joe Biden committed any crimes, have those investigated too. This article doesn't refer to anything he did, but whatever.
Now do Trump and his family.
Trump has been thoroughly investigated, charged, and tried, and so far, he has been cleared of any wrongdoing every time.
Let's talk again after we subject Joe Biden to two impeachments and a host of conservative prosecutors go after him.
Furthermore, unlike Biden, Trump didn't gain his wealth from public office.
Oh the corruption and crimes beyond those he committed in his capacity as president are just getting investigated.
Which ones? Name them. Back up your accusations too.
I have yet to see any documentation of crimes by Trump, just innuendo; not even his political adversaries could construct a coherent accusation, let alone provide clear evidence.
For Joe Biden, we have Hunter Biden's E-mails, which are clear and convincing against Joe Biden. Neither Hunter nor Joe have ever denied the veracity or authenticity of those E-mails.
You’re not psychotic, Tony. You are just really stupid.
Get real. It's Merrick Garland's DoJ. They don't prosecute Democrats, much less Bidens.
Is Hunter Biden a Democrat? I guess it's plausible.
He's of course less relevant to politics than Champ and Major, who at least live in the White House.
Yep. He just became a hundred millionaire, while his dad was VP, through his own gumption and hard work. And now he's shifted his unparalleled talent to the art world.
None of that is true, but if you want to talk about presidential family corruption, do you have any idea how much money Jared Kushner got from Saudi Arabia in a deal negotiated while he was working in the White House, a country that Donald Trump very likely stole top secret information about and hid it in his sock drawer?
Tell me Derp, how much book should be thrown at the Trumps and Kushners?
"None of that is true, "
You're a lying piece of shit. Fuck yourself.
The Saudi deal with Jared Kusher concluded after Trump left the White House.
Biden’s corrupt dealings took place while Biden was VP.
The thing you're referring to happened when Biden was a private citizen actually. And it wasn't a crime and was only mildly corrupt, as these things go.
Now explain how many centuries the Trumps should spend in a prison cell by your own standards.
I wasn't referring to any particular "thing", but a whole host of "things" that happened while Biden was VP, and before that, a senator.
I don't know of any evidence of corruption by Trump. Certainly, his financials don't show any corruption, since he left the presidency poorer than he started it.
That's kind of Trump's thing, behaving like a mafioso in drag and then failing to make any money.
What do you suppose he's doing with all those nuclear secrets he stole? It's quite possible he's just keeping them as souvenirs, but you want it investigated, just in case, I'm sure.
Do you have any specifics? Which specific firms gave him money while in office, what was their motivation? For Joe Biden, we have that.
I hope he'll release them to the public, since they are almost certainly related to the utter incompetence and failure of Obama and Hillary on nuclear weapons.
Yes, I want it investigated and then I want all the information released. Hopefully, a Republican Congress will do that.
Wrong. He flew Hunter to China on AF2, and was intertwined in his son’s dealings. Biden claimed that wasn’t true, but he provably lied. Same with Burisma and Ukraine.
Hunter Biden is very relevant to politics, since he is the bagman for our corrupt, incompetent, semi-fascist president, and in return has been protected from prosecution.
Prove it.
Hunter Biden's laptop proves it, as do the public statements from other people involved in Biden's corrupt schemes. Biden even bragged about his corruption in public.
He won't be prosecuted or convicted of it. That doesn't change the fact that he is corrupt.
If Hunter Biden gets a pass, why shouldn’t everyone?
I just want everyone to have the same freedom as the president’s son. Is staying out of jail too much to ask for people unrelated to the president?
Is it a longtime position of yours that people shouldn't be allowed to buy guns if they are drug users, or did it just come up for some reason?
The obvious point of my post is that everyone should enjoy the same freedom that Hunter Biden does.
Try reading it again for comprehension, and reply to the actual post, instead of the voices inside your head.
No, the point is that the constitution guarantees equal protection de the law. No exception for the crackhead spawn of crooked senile presidents.
Obviously, no one should face jail time for exercising a Constitutional right. He should be facing jail time for the obvious corruption.
Why would Biden care? He knows that laws only apply to certain people in this country.
Hunter Biden could hunt down hobos with that gun while high on crack and he'd never see a day in prison.
Hunter will get a slap on the wrist. The Democrats will proclaim justice was served! Lefties will snicker at the idiots on the right who perpetrated this "Russian disinformation". The January 6th committee will fold up their tent as the election comes to a head. Adam Schiff will babble about the obvious proof (that only he sees) of crimes that he knows happened. Joe will take his 10% and smile.
If it is a Federal crime nothing will happen. Daddy will protect, the corrupt FBI and DOJ will do nothing. That is how it works in a dictatorship. TReason.com really just doesn’t get it yet. The Biden’s are corrupt, and Joe is a repressive authoritarian. Of course from TReason.com’s point of view a corrupt Woke Liberal Dictatorship that has destroyed the economy is better than Trump. Does else anyone notice a bias here at TReason?
Bias? At tReason? Heaven forfend. They are merely fulfilling their "Prime Directive": Besmirch Trump particularly and Republicans generally, but it is not bias to oppose evil". A fool is to be preferred over evil orange!!
Give it a rest already. Nothing is going to happen to Hunter Biden.
They have to go through the performative hand-wringing, so when the DOJ declines to bring charges, they can point to all of these articles about how, yes we covered it and there's nothing there worth prosecuting.
That depends... What if Daddy Forfeiturebucks forgets his name?
"The Consequences That Hunter Biden Could Face..."
What consequences? We all know there will be none.
For both the conservatives who desire to see Hunter Biden incarcerated for the rest of his natural life and the liberals who are aghast that the son of our dear leader may face some legal peril, I have to ask two questions:
(1) Do any of the recent past actions of the DoJ make you think this outcome likely?
(2) Have none you heard ever heard of a presidential pardon?
Only a deeply partisan dishonest Democrat could write hundreds of columns trashing Trump, and then write a column defending the corrupt Biden crime family.
But at least Sullum is consistent in his hatred for Trump and the GOP, and his love for corrupt left wing Democrats who have gone ALL IN to destroy the country.
And Pill Godshan't, cowardly, masked, whining, pouting, BDS, Trumpanzee sockpuppet, goes to meet his faquir in the Land of the Mute Losers. Any bets that Alex Jones isn't that Godshill sockpuppy?
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""In England and in America from the colonial era through the 19th century," the Justice Department noted, "governments regularly disarmed a variety of groups deemed dangerous." For instance, "England disarmed Catholics in the 17th and 18th centuries," and "many American colonies forbade providing Indians with firearms." "
Are those really groups that in 2022 you want to mention specifically as examples of the sort of people could be legally disarmed? Sort of narrowminded by today's progressive standards, isn't it?
Biden's lack of self-awareness (political, not mental) is classic politician 101.
Rules for thee but not for me.
If one of Trump’s children did what Hunter has done, we wouldn’t be hearing the end of it.
Hell, the same people obsessed with his kids suddenly don’t give two shits about the president’s kids. It’s all bullshit.
Trump's kids worked for the government.
That's not why they bothered you.
Their incompetence and corruption were pretty much the main things.
They provided a lot of entertainment. Remember when Rush Limbaugh got the medal of freedom? Classic trolling.
If (presumptuous assumption), then (prophetic conclusion with neither major nor minor premise).
Sorites part 2: "It's all bullshit." Q.E.D. par for the course with girl-bullying, tu-quoque Trumpanzees.
J.Sullum: "The consequences that H.B. could face..."
Are you politically blind? The ruling class has immunity, are exempt from wrong doing.
If Nixon can openly brag "When the POTUS does it, it's not illegal", and MSM ignores it, the "justice dept." ignores it, and his pretend haters ignore it, then it is a fact.
The wider implications are ignored also, namely, that we live under a tyrannical politics of ruler/ruled. Do you deny it? If so, seek help.
Hunter Biden will never face any serious consequences - this gun charge is petty - his (and his father's) real crime was influence peddling and enriching themselves via foreign kickbacks, but that will never be officially investigated!!
Since when is influence peddling and enriching oneself a crime?
I hate to break this to you, but Jared Kushner was not qualified to work at the highest levels of government.
“Since when is influence peddling and enriching oneself a crime?”
Between 2016 and 2020. Is this a trick question?
It is not illegal for Hunter Biden to sell access to his father if he doesn't deliver. It is illegal for his father to grant access or make policy in return for money paid to Hunter Biden, and it is illegal for Hunter Biden to participate in such a scheme.
But none of that happened.
Hunter Biden's E-mails prove otherwise, as do several witness statements.
Lucky for Hunter Biden, the DOJ will stall until the statute of limitations for these crimes passes. It’s good having friends in high places.
It's good to be the King
Vice=Crime laws for thee... but not for meee, in a fixed economieee!
In other gun control news, a federal judge ruled that a law prohibiting possession of firearms with serial numbers altered or removed is unconstitutional because flintlocks in 1791 weren't considered more dangerous or unusual if they didn't have a serial number or other identification on them.
https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/3687788-judge-rules-federal-law-banning-guns-with-serial-numbers-removed-is-unconstitutional/
If that is really how originalism is supposed to work, then the usual facetious gun control response that anything but flintlocks can be banned would actually be logical.
As we used to say "The chickens have home to roost."
A background check does not see into the future. Drug use does not escalate into serious criminal acts. Nor does it see into the future.
Pursuing a career in politics is rarely if ever born from the desire to serve the public.
85,000 IRS agents can start auditing every elected office holder in D.C. and continue that practice annually.
The Constitution has nor been a part of the governments guide to rules but only when something needs eliminated. There is a line in it about firearms and how the Executive branch can take control of them.
And when a totally clueless lying president tells The People they can screw their AR-15s because he has fighter jets and AR-15s can only blow humans to shreds (false) not jets then you are listening to a tyrant unveiling a threat.
"I have great confidence in my son," Biden said. "I love him, and he's on the straight and narrow, and he has been for a couple of years now. And I'm just so proud of him."
Sure, Joe, you say that for the cameras. But maybe what you really want is for him to go to jail already.