Brickbat: Standards of Care

Richard Alexander Turner, an athletic trainer at Los Angeles high schools, has been charged with 18 counts of rape, among other charges. Local prosecutors said he assaulted at least 10 girls dating back to 2017. His alleged victims were all students receiving treatment from him for sports injuries. Turner was working at Birmingham Community Charter High School when he was arrested. He previously worked at Van Nuys High School, which some of the alleged victims attended. A student attending that school filed a police complaint in 2017, but prosecutors didn't file charges due to a lack of evidence, they said. District officials were aware of the allegations.

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[Adans smith]

Your kids seem to be more likely to be molested at a government school then anywhere else.

[Will Nonya]

You mean where they are required to spend hours a day under the authority of adults you likely don't know and have no way to exert control over?

[Vernon Depner]

Nope. By far the most common place for children to be molested is at home. The most likely offenders are family members or Mom's Boyfriend.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Sounds like he refrained from grooming anyone.

[mad.casual]

Why you gotta make it about the gays?

[Fist of Etiquette]

Straights were grooming long before the gays got into it. Look at that UK scandal from a few years ago.

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[buybuydandavis]

Today's reminder that government schools are child abuse.

[Will Nonya]

Ya, that's the takeaway. Clearly exhibiting a lower level of public school reading comprehension.

[Social Justice is neither]

Sorry you're so impaired. Between accusations like this and the sexual grooming of children, care to explain how he's wrong.

[Dogvalor]

How is this a brickbat? It sounds like they're charging him with the crime, just as they should.

[Vernon Depner]

Perhaps Reason is arguing against age of consent laws?

[SQRLSY One]

It’s a brickbat because he should have been fired (at the VERY least) way back in 2017. WHY does it take SOOOOO LONG to investigate wrong-doing by our “pubic servants”?

(Fired, PLUS black-listed from EVER working THAT kind of job, I mean to say, at the VERY least!)

[kcuch]

He was probably quietly and strongly advised to seek employment elsewhere back in 2017 by Van Nuys High School and is why he was able to continue at the charter school.

This isn't so much a Government Behaving Badly story as much as it is People being Charitable (to others) and Protective (of themselves).

[Vernon Depner]

Yeah, he should have been lynched as soon as there was an accusation. Justice and due process are too slow and emotionally unsatisfying.

[SQRLSY One]

Justice and due process shouldn't take 5 years before this man is at least fired and black-listed! WHEN did we get a "right" to be employed, and not fired and black-listed, at the will of the employer, anyway? (Unless we don't care HOW many more young women he rapes in the meantime, of course. Ass long ass it is not MY daughter or MY friend, I guess.)

[kcuch]

being black-listed is the issue... Not without a conviction. Next week it may be a wrong think that gets you black-listed.

All the other employer/employee things are the result of 120 years of progressive legislation.

[SQRLSY One]

I take issue with the progressive legislation. My property, my business... I should be able to hire and fire at will. If I start to fire people for petty reasons, in a free nation, word will get around, and I will go out of business. People will pick nicer employers. Problem solved!

[kcuch]

as I said '120 years of progressive legislation'

[MatthewSlyfield]

And why does it take criminal charges being filed to get a "public servant" fired?

[Agammamon]

After 5 years of ignoring it.

[Social Justice is neither]

Not to justify the actions of anyone involved but were the accusations credible or were they CBF "credible" and was it the second accusation (one at each school) that brought on a deeper investigation or were there more reports than that required?

Are we back to "believe all women" or is some standard of proof required before we go around destroying people's lives?

[mad.casual]

Ah, yes. The Rousseau Method, the Socratic Method, and the Reason/ENB method. A man having sex with an injured woman in exchange for treatment as part of the education system is just a business transaction.

[Earth-based Human Skeptic]

"A student attending that school filed a police complaint in 2017, but prosecutors didn't file charges due to a lack of evidence, they said."

Yeah, who needs evidence? Just put on your official Title IX "Believe Her!" T-shirt and start burning people at the stake.

[mad.casual]

Actresses above the age of consent looking for work, injured teen girls looking for treatment, to-may-to, minor attracted person... it's just the business of public education.

[Ajsloss]

"injured teen girls looking for treatment"

Because teenage girls are never looking for attention and, historically, they've always been of sound mind when they feel scorned. Is it really too much to ask for evidence?

[mad.casual]

Is it really too much to ask for evidence?

I don't even think you know what you're bitching about at this point. Are you saying evidence should be collected without charges and/or a formal investigation or that every turned ankle and pulled hammie at a public HS sporting event needs to be a criminal investigation?

A someone who's probably at the vanguard of staring into the misogyny abyss, dude, you've stared into the men's rights abyss long enough that you're bordering on defending predatory pedophilia. The girls conspired, across two schools and 5 yrs. to get this guy? To take down an athletic trainer? A position the school arguably shouldn't be involved in to begin with and certainly shouldn't be allowing such situations to happen?

18 customer complaints from adults should be sufficient to get anybody fired from a private position. Why, IYO, is public HS athletic trainer protected? Especially given charges of, not sexual assault of a minor but, rape? Why do you assume no evidence has been collected to justify the charges? A grand conspiracy among HS girls, parents, schools, LEOs, and AGs to take down an athletic trainer?

[mad.casual]

A position the school arguably shouldn’t be involved in to begin with

30 yrs. ago, if you pulled a groin, the trainer diagnosed it without indecent exposure or tactile diagnosis that wouldn't be fit for public viewing (places hand against knee and asks patient to resist without pain while slowly pressing knee outward). A more serious injury to internal organs and/or requiring privacy requires paramedics and medical treatment well beyond what an athletic trainer is capable of providing and, even then, the paramedics wouldn't provide it 1:1/without witnesses/unsupervised. Even today, most HSs use these protocols, why defend the horse drawing the carriage stomping someone to death even if it didn't do it on purpose?

[Ajsloss]

I didn't read the linked article, just the piece here. This piece says, "A student attending that school filed a police complaint in 2017, but prosecutors didn't file charges due to a lack of evidence, they said."

I'm not saying girls conspired across two schools. What I'm saying is, based on the quoted part above (one student, at one school, without enough evidence), how could the second school be automatically assumed to be at fault? IOW, based on what they knew at the time they hired him (one unverified report), what were they supposed to do?

[mad.casual]

what were they supposed to do?

See immediately above. Girls with life threatening genital injuries need a paramedic, usually two. Frequently, in public sporting events, there are literally hundreds of upstanding adults willing to serve as impromptu surgical screens to even untoward voyeurs should such bizarre need arise. Girls with genital injuries requiring more protracted care need an OB/GYN, not an athletic trainer. Girls needing an ankle taped don’t need to be alone with an adult of either gender, regardless of whether the adult of either gender had been previously accused or not. Setting all of that aside, since before I was in HS, independent athletic clubs have employed independent athletic trainers to tape up ankles on the sidelines with the nearest school official being more than 10 mi. away, the same is true of all my son’s independent sports leagues today. The Catholic Church has figured this out. The Scouts have figured this out. Innumerable sports organizations for over 50 yrs. have had this figured out. Presumably, the Universities of Michigan and Penn State have solved this problem. Why hasn’t a public school in 2017 figured this out?

Further, the evidence/issue explicitly is that wasn't in trouble or unemployable after the first, unsubstantiated allegation. Even an unsubstantiated allegation of rape from an employee at Burger King would have employees rightfully being eyeballed by management and/or seeking other employment unless the claims were obviously confabulatory. Again, I'm no misogynist but the alternative is to somehow stipulate up front when it's OK for women to allege rape and when it's not.

[mad.casual]

Even an unsubstantiated allegation of rape from an employee at Burger King would have employees rightfully being eyeballed by management and/or seeking other employment unless the claims were obviously confabulatory.

And this is in no way sexist. If a cashier is accused of stealing from the till, management is absolutely within their rights to be hawkish of said employee as long as the till doesn't come up in the black, regardless of whether they actually find the cash on the accused or not. The further 18 complaints, even if they don't prove theft, more than justify dismissal.

[Dillinger]

close the conformity factories. put that Weingarten dude out of a job.