The Woman King Rewrites History for a Feminist Twist on the Slave Trade
Hollywood often takes liberties. But there's a distinction to be made between poetic license and historical revisionism.

It's difficult to watch The Woman King and not conclude it's a masterfully made movie. It has soaring action scenes—the sort that will make you squirm and scream—unconventionally led by a cast of female Amazonian warriors. It has Viola Davis, whose reputation as one of the most formidable actresses alive needs little explanation. And it has a riveting, relevant plot, centered around a kingdom in West Africa that begrudgingly participates in the 19th-century slave trade while it makes moves behind the scenes to hamstring it.
That it's based on an unbelievable true story should only add to the film's appeal. Instead, it destroys it.
That's because the unbelievable true story is truly unbelievable, in that it's false. The film is indeed based on history. But it's a revisionist one and not one that can be hand waved away.
The movie takes place in the area that is now southern Benin, known as the Kingdom of Dahomey, which existed from the beginning of the 17th century to the beginning of the 20th. Davis plays Nanisca, the leader of an army called the Agojie composed entirely of women. We see them train and fight and capture people from nearby villages. Their prisoners are then sold to the Oyo Empire, which brokers deals with European slave traders.
But behind the facade we see in battle, Nanisca—loosely based on a real person—is wrought with guilt over enslaving her fellow man and woman. She pleads with King Ghezo, who ruled Dahomey from 1818 to 1859, to withdraw from the trade, suggesting he instead assert economic dominance in the region by relying on the kingdom's share of palm oil. Epic battles between the Agojie and the Oyo fighters ensue, and (spoiler alert) the (surviving) European slavers are sent packing.
It's a tale that makes for a compelling, mostly sympathetic watch. But it requires you go into the theater blind, as I did. And it requires that you stay that way—and stay away from Google—after you leave, which I did not.
Absent from the film is that the Kingdom of Dahomey's success did not hinge on the abolition of slavery. Its demise did, which came about when Great Britain crippled the trade. After Ghezo rebuffed their insistence that he stop buying and selling human beings, the British instituted a naval blockade in the early 1850s, forcing his hand. It was then that he transitioned to heavy reliance on palm oil—not because he wanted to leave the slave trade but in spite of his desire to continue it.
As the movie progresses, viewers watch as the Portuguese—who arrived in Africa to purchase slaves—are vanquished by Davis and company. It's hard not to cheer when a group of African men, recently freed from bondage, take the European leader Santo Ferreira (played by Hero Fiennes Tiffin) and drown him in shallow water. Missing from the conversation is that Ferreira appears to be based on Francisco Félix de Sousa, who, in reality, helped King Ghezo execute a coup d'etat so the two men could together reinvigorate the slave trade.
Hollywood has often taken liberties in telling historical dramas; this isn't new. But there's an important distinction to be made between poetic license and historical revisionism. To portray Dahomey as a kingdom of freedom fighters would be akin to producing a movie about the Confederacy as an anti-slavery republic, starring Robert E. Lee as the primary abolitionist. Society would rightfully reject such a film, at least in today's day and age.
But The Woman King has received a warm critical reception in reviews from the country's largest media outlets that fail to reckon with or even mention the historical conflict when evaluating its merits. "Viola Davis reigns supreme," writes The Washington Post, whose critic adds that whether or not the slave-driven moral quandary "is literally true to life is beside the point." OK. "She slays," says The New York Times. The movie is not only "truly inspiring," says a review on ABC News, but "no white saviors need apply." The slave trade, but make it feminist.
Such evaluations don't necessarily land as a surprise. The movie has several elements to please the crowd: fierce female warriors, intersectionality, and racial justice chief among them. "The women are their own greatest weapons, and among everything else it addresses," the Times writes, "'The Woman King' is about strong, dynamic Black women, their souls, minds and bodies." We are supposed to forget that this kingdom we are glorifying did so via the subjugation and suffering of other black people, which, apart from slavery, included killing thousands upon thousands of their prisoners in human sacrifice rituals each year.
This is the central problem here: The Woman King all but encapsulates the values that take precedence in popular culture. But the producers had to rewrite the history books to get there, because telling a more respectfully-accurate story would've required them to buck how we are supposed to talk about such things. Everything must be black and white; there can be no gray. (It is rumored that the actress Lupita Nyong'o, who was originally cast in the film, dropped out over reservations about the historical presentation.)
And yet, such revisionism is not confined to one subject or one political faction. That much is clear, ironically, in ongoing debates around the history of the Confederacy and its relationship to slavery here in America. I've written quite frequently about the need to present such history with precision and to not glorify Confederate military leaders with public monuments, which represent perhaps the largest participation trophies in modern times. But to argue it's kosher to rewrite history for The Woman King simply because others have unfortunately rewritten history on similar topics is to say that historical integrity doesn't matter at all. Revisionism isn't just wrong when done by your ideological foes.
After all, history is best when interrogated and questioned—not sanitized or, in this case, redrafted for the sake of convenience. A great movie would have presented that history in full, likely leaving many viewers exiting the theater unsure of how to feel. In The Woman King, you know how to feel, because you're told how to feel. It's decidedly less rewarding than the alternative.
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telling a more respectfully-accurate story would've required them to buck how we are supposed to talk about such things.
"We" aren't supposed to talk about such things. "We" are supposed to shut up, feel guilty, step aside and pay up. If it is at the point of a gun, so much the better. This is the natural progression of garbage like The 1619 Project.
I worked with a guy from Accra, Ghana. Reparations were a joke to him. His family wealth started by selling slaves. If he got reparations, he said it was money from both ends.
There was a video that went viral where a woman schooled Don Lemon on this very subject. Too lazy to look it up.
On the one hand, it's kinda good that the movie has stirred up the controversy. More people will become aware. On the other hand, it should be really, really sad that we got to this point. On the other other hand, between electing the historic first black Peace Nobelaureate President and then electing an Orange Klansman and all the efforts of BLM pulling us into post-racism and then pushing us back, a failed blaxploitation film produced by two retarded white chicks and Viola Davis definitively ending it would be pretty par for the course.
I don't think it has stirred up controversy, if the wapo (and others) article is an indicator. Ideologues and zealots, be they feminists or any other variety of resentment/grievance culture, do not allow facts to interfere with their perception of the world.
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Africa did nothing wrong. They can't be blamed. Only white people can be blamed.
It's OK to brutalize a continent if the people there did things we don't morally approve of. This is not a new line.
It's okay to lie about the history of a continent because people from another continent did things we morally disapprove of.
Who's lying?
Does the fact that slavery existed in Africa make it 100% OK to have enslaved Africans, or is it more like marginally more OK?
Read the first clause and then the 2nd to see your ignorance here.
Also you created a strawman nobody is arguing.
So your only argument is that you think liberals aren't aware of slavery existing in places other than America? How do you know this? Did you quiz us all? What an odd claim to make.
You follow a strawman with another one? How badly are you failing here Tony.
Liberals know about the African slave trade, they just ignore it and lionize the groups doing it. See the movie the article is based on.
But when is the African slave trade relevant to any political discussion in modern America?
Except in those conspicuous cases where racists use it to fallaciously excuse American chattel slavery, of course.
The slave trade isn't applicable to any modern political discussion. It is moral relativism from a past age. Democrats use it to promote terrible policy.
It's relevant to history classes.
You just asked modern political discussions. Not history classes.
God damn Tony. Take an L already.
Tony: "But when is the African slave trade relevant to any political discussion in modern America?"
Jesse: "The slave trade isn’t applicable to any modern political discussion."
Tony: "It’s relevant to history classes."
Oh wow, lol! This is Sarcasmic level arguing.
Once again Tony shows his knowledge and political analysis is only surface level and devoid of reality and actual substance.
They don't see to be aware of slavery anywhere except in Europe and the Americas.
And they don't seem to be aware of African's that were driving the transatlantic slave trade' through expanding their already existing 'cultural practice' of enslaving everyone around them.
But for some reason white people were supposed to know better. To be more civilized. From whitewashing history to the soft prejudice of lowered expectations, no one is more white supremacist than a liberal.
I think one important feature of American slavery is how long it persisted despite the widespread understanding in both America and Europe of its deep moral problems, including abolitionist movements, the fact that the South would have insisted it persist even longer (into the 20th century!) if not for the historically bloody war they fought over it and lost.
And then the continued attempts to maintain some semblance of that social order through the 1960s, when black people were finally given some rights, and to this day, when white racists still can't shut up about the great injustice of black people having rights.
Your points do not move towards a conclusive certainty.
You go from speculative, to questionable, to invented, to non sequitur.
How can that possibly pass inspection if you're trying to make a logical point?
I think one important feature of American slavery is how long it persisted despite the widespread understanding in both America and Europe of its deep moral problems,
How long it persisted?
From the founding of the US, in 1776, it was less than 90 years before slavery was abolished. The nations of Europe, Asia and Africa, as well as those already extant in the Americas, had held slaves for hundreds, sometimes thousands of years.
Against that backdrop 90 years is an eyeblink.
And despite the South's loss, slavery still exists--practiced, often enough, by the people you and this film would absolve of it.
Western Europe and North America were the first places in the world to outlaw slavery. The last currently extant country to officially outlaw slavery was Mauritania in 1984.
So your only argument is that you think liberals aren’t aware of slavery existing in places other than America?
Oh, you guys are aware. You just don't give a shit unless you can blame white people for it.
THE HORROR, THE HORROR
Never read these words before, Tony ?
And the movie completely ignores their involvement in the slave trade dummy.
So like Gone with the Wind?
I have not seen this movie and am not its advocate, btw.
Yet you are defending it. The movie white washes this tribes actions completely.
As just about every review of it has said.
Did the movie talk about it? You seem to be unable to actually read and comprehend what is typed here.
Seems problematic. I don't know. I trust Viola Davis. That's literally the only bias I come to this movie with, which I will probably never see anyway.
You trust an activist actress. Lol.
God dam. What an idiot.
Imagine a movie, Tony, where a heroic Klu Klux Klan rescued slaves from evil Union soldiers. Would that be wrong?
Because the Kingdom of Dahomey was actually far fucking worse than the Klan or the Confederation.
Tony, give it up. You're grasping way too hard here.
Gone with the wind doesn't take place anywhere near or with the people of the largest slave-taking tribe of it's time.
The people who made the movie are lying about the involvement of the Dahomey in the slave trade.
I know it's super hard for you to understand, but the fact that Africans enslaved and sold other Africans in the slave trade does not erase the fact that Europeans engaged in slave trading. Both of those things can be true at the same time.
What isn't true is that the Dahomey were freedom fighters. So why make a movie that says so, except to erase that part of the history of the African slave trade?
Probably for the same reason that Braveheart, The Patriot, and literally every war movie ever made whitewashes a few things. It complicates the story they want to tell.
And you called out those movies for their whitewashing and fake history at the time.
I did? I'm pretty sure I did not make the mistake of confusing a historical account for a movie.
They serve completely different purposes. One is to explain, as far as possible, what happened in the past. The other is to tell a story to entertain people.
Sometimes the quality of period movies is judged, in part, by their historical accuracy, and that's certainly something I always appreciate, but even the most meticulous films deliberately get things wrong in service of a coherent and meaningful narrative.
The producers of Braveheart, The Patriot, and literally every war movie wanted to fan the flames of race resentment and keep the 13% frothing at the mouth and hell bent on killing whitey?
Really???
Because they need the Amazon warriors to be on the side of good. They had an historical example of female warriors and they were inconveniently part of a nation that thrived on atrocities.
Like killing all the adults then selling their children?
Brutalize it now or then because then it was brutalized by it's own people?
It sounds like the British navy brutalized the king of Dahomey when they forced him to stop enslaving fellow Africans and selling those slaves.
Slavery is bad only when non-Africans do it. --- Tony
Pretty firm stand on human rights and the evils of slavery.
This film has a similar level of historical accuracy as "Birth of a Nation"
The only people trying to rationalize terrible behavior is you people.
I don't think any society has ever been a particularly moral one. But what some African tribe did to another African tribe 500 years ago is orders of magnitude less relevant to modern American life than what white Europeans did to Africans. That's the only point.
Notice how I am a white European-descended male, and I don't cry like a little bitch every time someone accuses my ancestors of wrongdoing. Yeah, they were shit people. Doesn't bother me to cop to that.
At the end of the day, isn't the primary difference between you guys and me the fact that you're whiny little bitches and I'm not?
The Africans also enslaved Africans. They also sold them. And they raped and killed them.
Have you ever bothered with an actual history book?
I feel like we've moved past this point.
I don't give any past society credit for anything. We're a terrible species.
So the only question is why you people keep insisting on bringing this point up, if not to excuse American chattel slavery to some degree. Can't you just say it was bad, on its own terms, even if everyone else was worse? Why are you such a moral relativist?
You feel wrong. Your initial injection was complaining people brought it up.
This is just sad now.
I don’t give any past society credit for anything. We’re a terrible species.
Well sure, marxists are only capable of bitching about shit. That's why your societies never work out.
And back to your complaint a out how much you hate people. You have got to be one of the angriest, whiniest people out there.
It's amazing how terrible of a progressive you make. You claim to want to help people all while claiming to hate people with a passion. You're basically an insufferable movie critique. Everything is terrible and you know better than everyone else, but really have to basis in reality for your positions.
Africans also enslaved the slaves... Hmmmm I wonder what the origin of the word slave is....
The 21% of me that’s “Eastern European” according to ancestry.com holds up a fist for my brothers and sisters.
Dude, they did it to their fellows to sell to the white men 500 years ago. If it weren't for them the transatlantic slave trade' would have been marginal at best.
So slavery in America was black people's fault.
Slavery in Africa goes back much farther than the white man dummy.
At its very root, yes, slavery in America was the fault of black Africans who created the marker in slaves. Europeans did not venture into the heart of Africa to capture slaves, they bought slaves from Africans. If those slaves were not forced into slavery (by fellow Africans) and sold, there would have been no trans-Atlantic slave trade. I don't see why it is so difficult to admit that; well, it's only difficult because it deflates the narrative so popular on the left that "all white people are racist, and guilty of the original sin of America".
Buying humans is also evil, but less evil than taking slaves in the wild.
"So slavery in America was black people’s fault."
The Trans-Atlantic slave trade is LARGELY due to tribes like this.
Europeans did not kidnap anybody.
Yes.
Nuanced and complex thought just aren’t your things, are they?
You always revert to overly-simplistic reductionism based on binary thinking.
It’s literally pretending to be intellectual using simplistic logic. And you do it constantly.
So slavery in America was black people’s fault.
Slavery EVERYWHERE is black people's fault.
They invented it. They were doing it before there were PEOPLE of any other color.
Slavery was created as an alternative to slaughtering the losing tribe. It was the humane step past 'kill all the men and keep all the women'.
"But what some African tribe did to another African tribe 500 years ago is orders of magnitude less relevant to modern American life than what white Europeans did to Africans. That’s the only point."
Except that Europeans FORCED that tribe to stop taking and selling slaves. That puts Europeans miles above this tribe. It is not even in the same ballpark. That tribe was the Klan, just worse. But you do not feel darker skinned folks are equal to you and, therefore, cannot be held to any semblance of standards. It's pathetic and insulting...but you're a racist. It is not really debatable.
"At the end of the day, isn’t the primary difference between you guys and me the fact that you’re whiny little bitches and I’m not?"
No, the difference is I think darker skinned folks are adult humans and more than capable of having independent thought.
You do not.
This reminds me of the scene in A Soldier’s Story when the white officer says “No, Negros aren’t that devious.” —And the hero (the black investigating officer) just looks at him.
YOU are everything that is wrong with the world today.
No, Birth of a Nation is far more historically accurate.
And by "brutalize" you mean: "abolish slavery", "provide medical care", "massively raise literacy rates", "create a public health infrastructure", "make democratic and free governments possible"? That kind of "brutalization"?
Geez, I'm glad my ancestors were "brutalized" like that too by the Romans. We call that "civilization". You claim to approve of civilization, but when it actually happens, you scream bloody murder.
The trick is not to feel it necessary to rank past cultures for moral rectitude, as if it's a competition. They're all dead. They don't care.
I think they're all shit, but some good managed to climb out of the ocean of blood, evade the paranoid, murderous inclinations of kings and priests, and offer the dim torch of peace and reason to motivate us to keep going. That is the origin of liberalism, after all, to which you so constantly object.
Most sane and intelligent people don't utilize historical relativism for any modern discussion. You seem intent on doing so. Proving the first assertion.
Because Tony really and truly does not believe that people darker than he are his equal.
This is a valid point for most liberals.
No thanks to fascists like you.
I'm a classical liberal, Tony. You're a fascist.
The trick is not to feel it necessary to rank past cultures for moral rectitude, as if it’s a competition. They’re all dead. They don’t care.
If that's the trick, then why say this--
It's almost as if you're saying that Africans can be pissed at modern Europeans for what past Europeans (dead Europeans) did, but no one can expect the same accounting regarding what past Africans did.
Actually, it's more likely that you don't even realize how incredibly often your statements contradict or refute each other.
Yeah alright, granted they did give us the aqueduct l. But aside from THAT…
It’s difficult to watch The Woman King and not conclude it’s a masterfully made movie.
I don’t understand this. Not only is “It was a pretty good lie.” not going to convince me to see the movie, the assertion itself is a self-evident lie. Remember ‘There is no spoon.’, ‘No one cared who I was until I put on the mask.’, ‘Why so serious?’, ‘Seven days.’, ‘I see dead people.’, ‘This. Is. Sparta!’/’Then we will fight in the shade.’, ‘English motherfucker! Do you speak it?’, ‘Well, that escalated quickly.’, 'I am Ironman.'/'I am... inevitable.'…, …? The preview made it look like The Scorpion King 6(?) and the fact that the only other thing I’ve heard (besides the revisionism controversy) is ‘It has Viola Davis and is a pretty good lie.’ pretty solidly firms up the presumption.
The film is a work of fiction being presented as history. Under any of the 'bad' regimes that engaged in revisionist history, that would be labeled as propaganda. So good of the NYT and WaPo to confirm their complete lack of integrity with an enthusiastic endorsement.
That being said, kudos to Binyon for the honest review.
There is a trailer on Youtube which, for the first time in 20 years, had a comments section worth reading. Alternating between comedy and callouts, it was actually kind of surprising that there wasn't anyone trying to defend this kind of real life retcon.
When I first saw the trailer without sound, I no-shit thought it was a marvel movie or some Black Panther II release. It seems a bit stylized. Like I was highly suspicious of just the hairdo. A side shave? Really? It all seems so zoomerific.
I mean, we're talking about African tribespeople in the damned Age of Sail... it was during the height of the slave trade. I'm suspicious of the costume design and wardrobe element here. I mean I get that you're not going to parade the African women around topless in a move for mainstream audiences... But... was the patriarchy really demanding the women of Africa cover their distracting boobies up in the 17th century? And again, the side shave? Really? Was Africa THAT ahead of the fashion curve?
The hairstyles are historically accurate to the Agojie people with some variations made to distinguish characters.
It's probably not as inaccurate as almost literally any movie set in any time in the past in Europe.
You’re correct…it’s not as inaccurate, it’s more inaccurate. It literally reverses the sides. It would be akin to the Scots occupying and subjugating England in Braveheart or the French invading England in Henry V. It’s weird when you’re smart enough to notice and conceptualize things and when you aren’t.
I was just talking about hairdos. I haven't seen the movie, but generally I think any depiction of war that takes sides rather than explores the total irrationality of war is a story for children. And how can any movie possibly match the historical accuracy of Braveheart?
My mistake, now that I re-read it you clearly were. As far as Braveheart, that’s what makes the Woman King truly special, it’s “inspired by powerful true events,” a claim I don’t think Braveheart even made, yet it makes Braveheart look like a BBC documentary in comparison.
The Braveheart comment is sarcasm right?
Yeah, and not just because William Wallace wasn't Australian. A period piece managed to be more homophobic than the society it was depicting actually was.
I'm not prepared to dig into the Agojie people and their historical look. But every time I see a still from the movie, I feel like everyone standing around in 1970s dashikis with their fists raised in the air and saying "Power to the people, baby!"
It seems a little... much.
Well, I’m not sure, Tony. I admit that my research consists of a google image search of the Agojie people, but this looks more like I’d imagine it would vs what the movie looks like.
I mean, look at this still. The dude beside her looks like he's straight out of a Blaxploitation film in the 1970s.
I'm almost surprised his tunic doesn't have "Free Huey Long" on it.
Tony isn't exactly an intelligent person.
The hairdos are more historically accurate than your average European period piece by a longshot. That's indisputable. Hairdos from any time in the past in Europe are so weird that they usually just say fuck it and give them shiny, conditioned modern cuts.
Hey, what's your opinion on black elves?
If by "European period piece" you're talking about... *checks notes for latest European piece created for "modern audiences"* Bridgerton, then yeah.
But if you take something like 1917 which was made with extensive care to make sure everything down to the last thread was accurate, I'm not sure that's true. And yes, 1917 had some minor deviations-- WWI buffs noted that the type of truck they used in the film wouldn't have shown up as early as 1917, would have been a little more 1918, or 1920 but still.
There just seems to be a little too much product and $500 hair salon styling going on.
I'm no expert on historical African hairstyles, I just read that they took care in this regard.
I'm talking about any movie about European medieval courts and the like. I'm sure you'll agree that most period pieces get soldiers wrong, usually having them prance around without helmets. It's the head gear that really trips moviemakers up, since we like movie stars to have recognizable faces and pretty hair, but hats of various form were so ubiquitous in the past.
Tony a few comments ago: "The hairdos are more historically accurate than your average European period piece by a longshot. That’s indisputable."
Tony in this comment:. "I’m no expert on historical African hairstyles, I just read that they took care in this regard."
I'm no longer convinced that Tony is not someone parodying a progressive.
My first thought was of the sub-Marvel-level The Scorpion King.
How, aside from the revisionism, people don't see this as 100% bona-fide, genuine blaxploitation is beyond me. I'm beginning to think you could just remaster all the films from the 70s, say they were based on true events, and retards like Binion would say, "Aside from the historical inaccuracies, they were pretty good."
We're going to have to endure the term "blaxploitation" the whole time this film is in the news, aren't we?
Of course an idiosyncratic group of militant African women is hardly the first thing that leaps to mind when thinking about black stereotypes.
And of course blaxploitation films have a famously complex legacy in the black community, hardly being simply synonymous with "bad."
Who says they were bad? They were some of the best films — at least within their bracket and intended audience.
But they were what they were. Again, I admit I haven’t seen the film just some trailers (mostly with sound off) and a bunch of stills, and I can’t help but see:
Willy Dynamite: Brothers and sisters! The Man has been oppressing our people in the community! I brought in a fine sister to drop some knowledge on y’all about how we can start fighting back! Take it away, Foxy!
Crowd: Sock it to me, Foxy! Drop some knowledge on us, baby!
Foxy Brown: Sisters and brothers! We ain’t never seen heat like this befo’. And when the heat comes down, you got to have VISIOOOOOON, BABY! We gots to get organiiiiiizzzeduh! Can you dig iiiiiiiiiiit!!!
crowd: I can dig it! Right on! Power to the people! Attica, baby! Attica!
Skeptical Tribal leader in crowd: Yeah, Foxy, I can dig it… but uhh, just one thing… who gonna divide up all the fine bitches we liberate from the man?
Other tribal leader in crowd: C’mon, Mo’ Bitches, the organization votes!
As with blaxploitation films, with the exception of when Tarantino does them, I don't think you're the target audience.
Pro segregation tony?
I don't know anymore. I went to a bar with rainbow flags all over it, ostensibly a gay bar, and encountered mostly heterosexual young people there. I used to go to gay bars specifically because it was an oasis away from mainstream culture where I was deemed an other and had to hide that side of myself at all times.
I do wonder how it's going to be if we lose our safe spaces, even to a world that doesn't need them anymore. What's so great about mainstream culture? But isn't assimilation at least safer and more dignified than segregation?
There's still places for men (and trans women) where heterosexuals and females are side-eyed. I can feel home there, but I acknowledge that all of these feelings are just me entering middle age, and that the youth can handle their own attitudes, which are undoubtedly superior to my own.
I will ask again.
Pro segregation tony?
I don’t know anymore. I went to a bar with rainbow flags all over it, ostensibly a gay bar, and encountered mostly heterosexual young people there. I used to go to gay bars specifically because it was an oasis away from mainstream culture where I was deemed an other and had to hide that side of myself at all times.
Um, I'm kind of with you here. There was a time when the Rainbow flag meant something. Now... not so much. When everything is a rainbow flag, nothing is a rainbow flag.
Really? Have you never seen a blaxploitstion movie? Them bitches be badass.
Slaughters Big Ripoff is not only cinematic gold by any measure, it was based on true events. Jim Brown truly was a scary mofo. And he probably banged a bunch of bitches. And you hear Ed McMahon have an orgasm off camera at one point. Pretty sure that happened to him at least once in real life. And there’s a pimp. There really were pimps.
Well, damn. I wish you had put a spoiler alert on this post. I was planning on going and seeing The Woman King because from the couple of ads I've seen for it I was under the impression it was a sequel to The Lion King. I did notice a paucity of lions in the ads, but I just put that down to it being a low-budget movie with really embarrassingly shitty CGI lions. As someone who has watched Jason and the Argonauts several times, shitty special effects don't bother me. But now that I realize it has nothing to do with Shakespearean cartoons, I'll probably give the film a pass.
I'm 39 and in the past year watched Jason and the Argonauts for the first time specifically because I remembered seeing commercials for it when it was shown on cable when I was a kid (probably TNT, TBS or TCM). As a 9-10 year old, I thought those skeletons were the coolest thing I had ever seen. Needless to say, adult me was sorely disappointed.
I’m supposed to believe that a bunch of African women warriors dominated European male soldiers? Yeah, I don’t buy THAT either.
Just to be sure, I googled this topic too. Surprise, the women warriors lost most of the time, and in one battle the French wiped them out with just a bayonet charge and melee combat. The idiot king was sort of like Vladimir Putin of his time, forced to recruit less than optimal soldiers because his stupid wars and slave trade wiped out so many battle capable men.
Joan of Arc actually never fought in any battle. She inspired men on the field. Outside of the most dire circumstances, there is ZERO reason why women should be involved in ground wars. They can operate drones or fly planes, sure. But never infantry or something like that. They’ll get busted as soon as men get within 3 feet of them. Male soldiers should not watch women die on the field or cry out in pain as they’re body becomes mangled, it will crush their spirit and morale.
I'd easily believe native women soldiers could conquer foreign male soldiers. The natives know their territory so much better, are used to the climate, and understand the local flora and fauna.
I’d easily believe native women soldiers could conquer foreign male soldiers.
Depends on how fast and loose you want to get with history. A fictional group of native women soldiers conquering a fictional group of foreign men, sure. A group of native women with one musket for every 7 women against a regular Western Army well into the era of cartridge ammunition, lever actions, and revolvers. No fucking way. That's why the Franco-Dahomean War ended with over a thousand dead Dahomeans and 20 dead Frenchmen.
To act like the Dahomey Amazons were feared by anyone in the West is an insult to Native Americans.
Zulu dawn.
And the Zulu were surprising due to the fact that they managed a single victory over the British due to being underestimated, and they managed to kill the last descendant of Napoleon in a raid.
The fact that the Zulu managed only a 5-to-1 casualty ratio over the course of the war was considered impressive. The British were used to ten times that.
Didn't help the mesoamericans much. Of course, *glass* weapons vs steel armor . . .
Didn't help native most other places either - spears vs muskets. Is not good to be on the spear side of the musket.
What do you mean she never fought? She was in the front lines and was wounded several times. My dad was a Marine company commander in Vietnam during the Tet offensive and in that 7 months he only fired his .45 once. Does that mean he wasn't fighting that whole time?
What do you mean she never fought?
Uh, she was a standard bearer and professed pacifist. She’s quoted herself as never having killed anyone or, depending on your interpretation of the euphemism, even having drawn blood.
I don't think it's too much of a stretch to assume plenty of very successful military commanders between then and now would disregard absorbing arrows as fighting and/or winning a war.
Lol. Why do male chauvinists expend so much effort insisting that they only hang out with other males?
I guess it's a good thing that infantry are becoming obsolete. Just in time for army compositions to align with modern social values.
Genuinely curious: when you guys fuck women, does it feel like more of a civic duty than anything else?
And by "modern social values", you mean degrading women by turning them into cannon fodder, consumers, and wage slaves? Those are the social values of your ilk, they aren't universal.
Well when you put it that way, I'm sure we can manage political equality for women while also making workplaces more democratic and wars less frequent. There's a lot of work to do all around.
Is equity giving them ballot access or forcing 50% of politicians to be women?
I'm sure you blame women for the lack of WNBA viewership as well.
Women have had political equality for a century in the US.
You really don't hide your authoritarian socialist ideology very well.
The irony of a movie critic saying 'no white saviors need apply!' when the whole film is an exercise in white washing black history by white people is truly a wonder.
We should try to get mental gymnastics included in the Olympics.
It qualified, but only for the special olympics.
The perfect blockbuster, a movie that caters to the shallowest of thinkers. This sort of revisionism has to generate a lot of cognitive dissonance for any intelligent person giving it a moment's consideration. Sitting in an air conditioned theater to watch a movie costs less than one hour of wages in America. How many people watching this would say they wish their ancestors had the power to resist enslavement and had remained in Africa?
"The Woman King Rewrites History for a Feminist Twist on the Slave Trade"
Ah, didn't watch the movie, did you Binion?
It's not a 'feminist twist on the slave trade' - it's a 'completely ignores these people's being a driving force at the head of the slave trade'.
Oh and its a shitty title - she's not a king and the king is a man.
Oh and its a shitty title – she’s not a king and the king is a man.
They were going to go with a different title but they discovered that a less racist, more objective historical documentary already had the title 'Inglorious Basterds'.
It doesn't get much more feminist than denying reality, insisting lies are facts.
Imagine being a small business owner...
Obviously, the slave trade was driven by black Africans; white traders only picked up the slaves and transported them. Hunting down and capturing Africans would simply not have been possible for whites, who would have died pretty quickly from malaria and other tropical diseases.
This has been true many historical cases of the slave trade. The Norsemen obtained slaves from Ireland in similar fashion as a way for warring Irish tribes disposing of their prisoners.
Slavery was literally the normal state of the world and the human condition until around the middle of the 19th Century when Western liberal society began a process of internal debate about the evils of slavery- which it then began to not only abolish for itself, but take to the high seas and attempt to abolish globally.
TL,DR: Agree but hard to say the debate began in the 19th century when the founding documents from the 18th Century, based on documents from earlier centuries contain a literal compromise on slaves' voting rights.
I'd even spread that out and go further back. Rather unarguably, the spread of Christianity in The West is a long, protracted story of successive slave uprisings that's not really paralleled anywhere else in the world, to the point that non-Christian and atheistic Western Culture has exalted non-Christian slave uprisings. It wasn't always one foot in front of the other and never 'one step forward, two steps back', but over the long arc, the progress and association (which is not necessarily causation, esp. along such impossibly-long cognitive chains) is undeniable.
The Constitution did not contain a "compromise on slaves' voting rights", it contained a compromise on counting slaves towards the voting rights of slave owners.
"Slavery was literally the normal state of the world and the human condition until around the middle of the 19th Century when Western liberal society began a process of internal debate about the evils of slavery"
Revisionist bullshit. Slavery was not normal in England until the Enlightenment when the country got involved in colonialism in America and the Indies. Before that serfdom was predominant, a different and freer system.
That's revisionist bullshit.
Slavery in Britain existed before the Roman occupation and until the 11th century, when the Norman conquest of England resulted in the gradual merger of the pre-conquest institution of slavery into serfdom, and all slaves were no longer recognised separately in English law or custom.
In fact, "slavery" itself is a broad concept, and serfdom falls well within the range of arrangements that historically would be called "slavery". In fact, among different forms of slavery, slavery in the US was fairly unusual.
" In fact, among different forms of slavery, slavery in the US was fairly unusual."
Isn't a tax payer a kind of slave? That's what I learned from the comments here. Prison inmates too are a kind of slave, and the US is a world leader in imprisonment .
Who will nominate Nick as the Founding Father of
The Society For The Suppression Of Savage Libertarian Customs?
Recall that (SPOILER ALERT) Disney did a series glorifying a literal slaver, the Scarlet Bitch – I mean Witch, who mind-controlled an entire town into doing her bidding and catering to her fantasies. As an extra FU to civilized sentiment, the series had one of the black former slaves get the Stockholm Syndrome and make excuses for the witch.
At first it looked like they were setting up the Scarlet Witch as the villain, but then they lost their nerve and introduced another villain for the Witch to fight so she looked kind of like a good guy.
And the witch was as white as white can be.
Once again, the movie *still* sits at a literally unbelievable 99% audience score on Rottentomatoes. Pick your favorite movie in history… The Woman King, except for the historical foibles, is better. Pick the movie you think is everybody else’s favorite in history, The Woman King, except for the historical foibles, is better. The news reports that ‘Black Twitter’ hates this film because it depicts the slave-capturing Dahomey as heroes. Still, 99%. Either this movie, which is out and you haven’t heard people quoting and haven’t seen any memes from, no pics of people standing in line to watch it, no clips of their kids watching it at home, etc., is the most well-liked movie of all time, despite falling from the top spot after its second week and likely failing to make any money. Or Rottentomatoes, as well as several other institutions, are very clearly broken.
They be pimipin these bitches hard at Rottentomatoes!
The Rotten Tomatoes system is a little counterintuitive to parse. The "99%" doesn't mean that any, or even most people called it a 99 out of 100 movie. It means that, given a choice of thumbs up or thumbs down, 99% of people said thumbs up. It's less a measure of quality than a measure of consensus. Middling movies that absolutely no one objects to get high ratings. Masterpieces with divisive qualities that sing to their fans and ignore general audiences get middling scores. B-grade filler films, despite not being truly atrocious, often have really bad scores.
Couple that with some selection bias (everyone goes to and rates certain movies, some movies only people interested in them bother to view/rate them) and social pressure (no one will ever say anything bad about an art film, anything in a foreign language, or anything starring a minority or about social justice topics because that makes you a Bad Person) and you get some distorted output.
While I will agree that the Rottentomatoes system can be hard to parse, especially when a film gets an 80, or 75, or 60% rating on 200 views or 2M views, a 99% on 2500+ views (and running) is pretty clearly (positive) review bombing. Per my point above, all those positive reviews that people loved the movie so much and well less than 1% of them can even be bothered to quote a single line or reference a scene from the movie. This is especially egregious because the addition of the ‘verified’ check was supposed to obviate this. Instead, it makes it clear that the studio gets to secure the first 100, 1000, or 10,000 seats somewhere, like they did with Capt. Marvel, and then post those reviews as ‘verified’. If they even bother being that honest with the system.
I agree that there are social situations that can make interpreting collective intelligence programming hard, but this one reeks of blatant business manipulation.
This is why I said that any controversy about dishonesty or ahistorical presentation is not likely to have much impact. It won't be picked up by the majority of the media, and most of the left-leaning viewers, readers will not change their minds based on facts.
This trashy film is nothing but woke propaganda.
Ah…but maybe it’s a woke sleeper?
Check out Werner Herzog's Cobra Verde, his adaption of Chatwin's fictionalized biography of de Souza, (played by Klaus Kinski) The Viceroy of Ouidah. Chatwin's visit to the filming, which took place just before he died, is documented in Herzog's latest film, Nomad, In the Footsteps of Bruce Chatwin.
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Oh yes let's do reparations alright. Oh well credit them with $X for the pain they suffer on account of someone they never knew being enslaved 150 years ago by someone I never knew.
But let's make it real--with a net out for: the monetary value of the millions of innocent human lives snuffed out by feral blacks, the cost of all black robberies, rapes, drug-dealing, "knockout gaming" both in monetary terms as well as to account for pain, suffering, and reduction in quality of life, the cost of the trillions paid out in welfare benefits of all types, the trillions in AA set-asides for blatantly unqualified, drooling imbeciles, the North's cost in the Civil War and the value of the lives lost---and perhaps most significantly of all, the value of the decline in overall quality of life that comes with being forced to host a horde of nasty, loud, violent, rude, grifting, lazy, envious, resentful worthless animals.
Get out your checkbook, Black America.
PS: Of course this is "offensive."
I mean after all----it's true.
I don't know about true, but it's certainly instructive.
"Get out your checkbook, Black America."
Why not just deliver the brutes back into slavery, as god intended?
Why would anyone want a 21st century U.S. black as a slave? What the hell are you going to use them for? Rapping to you all day? They are completely useless for anything other than turning food into poop.
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