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Police Abuse

Cops Fail To Protect Own Informant From Rape, Then Charge Her With a Drug Crime

Plus: The authoritarian convergence, inflation up and stocks down, and more...

Elizabeth Nolan Brown | 9.14.2022 9:30 AM

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A woman in Alexandria, Louisiana, was allegedly raped while serving as a confidential informant for local police officers, who sat oblivious nearby during the attack. Officers with the Rapides Parish Sheriff's Office (RPSO) had sent the woman into a house to make a meth buy without monitoring her in real time.

The ranking officer in the sting operation was Lt. Mark Parker. He told the Associated Press that the RPSO had never monitored in real time as confidential informants did stings, though it has started doing so now.

"We've always done it this way," Parker told the A.P. "She was an addict and we just used her as an informant like we've done a million times before."

The woman was serving as a confidential informant after being arrested around a month earlier. Confidential informants are often people who've been arrested for minor crimes and get offered leniency in exchange for helping bust someone else.

Aside from showcasing yet another tragedy of America's pointless and destructive war on drugs, the situation raises questions about the handling of confidential informants. These are people that police send into potentially dangerous situations and should have a duty to protect.

In this case, the woman sent to buy drugs from a suspected dealer was wearing a hidden microphone and camera. But the equipment did not transmit to sheriff's deputies in real time. Instead, they left her on her own, waiting for her to come out while the dealer, Antonio D. Jones, allegedly forced her to perform oral sex on him, twice.

"Authorities … never considered such an attack might happen and the devices the woman carried didn't have the ability to transmit the operation to law enforcement in real time," the A.P. reported.

"It was recording but not to where my guys were monitoring it," said Rapides Parish Sheriff Mark Wood, blaming the January 2021 incident on his inexperience from only being in the top job six months at that time. "There are always things you learn that you can do better."

The case in this central Louisiana city of 47,000 underscores the perils confidential informants face seeking to "work off" criminal charges in loosely regulated and often secretive arrangements with law enforcement. Police rely on informants in a wide range of cases, compensating them with money or leniency in their own cases yet often providing little or no training. …

David Redemann, a longtime Seattle police officer who now leads training on such stings, said the case highlights the vast disparities in law enforcement's undercover playbook, with many agencies lacking the resources to properly train officers or monitor informant drug buys.

"We do this 10,000 times a day around the country, and not everybody has transmitting equipment," Redemann said. "Is this tragic as hell? Absolutely. We need to learn from what happened here."

Law enforcement's use of confidential informants is akin to a black market in which "deals are made under the table and often undocumented," said Alexandra Natapoff, a Harvard law professor and leading expert on informants.

Not only are informants treated as disposable pawns, she said, but qualified immunity has made it very difficult to sue the police when things go off the rails.

After the assault, the woman left the house and told police what happened. Jones was subsequently charged with second-degree rape and false imprisonment in addition to distribution of meth. Last month, the rape charge was reduced to third-degree rape.

Three weeks later, the woman who served as a confidential informant was charged with possession of drug paraphernalia. "She's been pulled over and booked on possession charges at least twice since then," notes the Associated Press. She "pleaded guilty to possessing drug paraphernalia last year and was placed in behavioral health court in lieu of jail time."


FREE MINDS

The authoritarian convergence. "The problem with American politics isn't polarization—it's rising illiberalism," writes Stephanie Slade in her excellent Reason cover story, now online.

Something is broken in our politics. Just about everyone knows it, but it can be hard to put your finger on what it is.

As the media attempt to grapple with this felt reality, they reach over and over for the same word: polarization. That, we're told, is the shorthand for what has gone wrong. Where once the country had its share of conservative Democrats, liberal Republicans, and mushy moderates, today the two parties are more internally consolidated—and further apart from each other—than ever.

But what if that explanation is missing something? What if there's a sense in which left and right are actually converging, and the nature of that convergence is the real source of the perception that something isn't right?

Read the whole thing here.


FREE MARKETS

Inflation is up, stocks are down. The latest report on inflation shows that prices continued to rise in August, climbing 0.1 percent overall. "Prices have climbed by 8.3 percent over the past 12 months," notes Reason's Eric Boehm. More:

That's down from the 8.5 percent mark in July, but the uptick in August's monthly figure seemingly puts an end to hopes that prices were finally cooling after a year of increases, the likes of which hadn't been seen since the 1970s.

But, wait, how can inflation be rising and yet be down from the tallies announced in both June and July? That's because the annualized rate—the 8.3 percent number—is the sum of the past 12 monthly figures. Prices rose by 0.1 percent in August, but this month's annualized rate drops from last August's monthly rate of 0.3 percent. So the annual figure declined even though inflation rose last month.

In response to the report, stock prices tumbled, giving us the worst Dow Jones Industrial Average slide since June 2020.

Stocks fell sharply on Tuesday after a key August inflation report came in hotter than expected, hurting investor optimism for cooling prices and a less aggressive Fed.

The Dow tumbled 3.94%.
The S&P 500 fell 4.32%.
The Nasdaq plunged 5.16%. https://t.co/XdPVkZIs58 pic.twitter.com/QnrwxYTr8F

— CNBC (@CNBC) September 13, 2022


FOLLOWUP

A woman whose DNA was taken as part of a rape investigation and later used to convict her of an unrelated property crime is now suing the city of San Francisco. More here.

"Federal law already prohibits the inclusion of victims' DNA in the national Combined DNA Index System," notes ABC News. But "there is no corresponding law in California to prohibit local law enforcement databases from retaining victims' profiles and searching them years later for entirely different purposes."

"This is government overreach of the highest order, using the most unique and personal thing we have—our genetic code—without our knowledge to try and connect us to crime," Adante Pointer, the woman's lawyer, said in a statement.


QUICK HITS

"After 9/11 libertarians tried to warn us about the Patriot Act and that it would be used against us. They were right and they deserve an apology from conservatives, including me." - Michael Anton, in a talk attacking security agencies, FASFA, and the FBI #NatCon3 pic.twitter.com/sGgINXSIE3

— Tho Bishop (@ThoBishop) September 13, 2022

• "Christian Glass called 911 for help after crashing his car into an embankment in Silver Plume—he needed someone to unstick his car," reports the Denver Post. Within a few hours, he would be shot to death by police.

• A timely review of Legacy of Violence: A History of the British Empire.

• New U.K. prime minister Liz Truss considers scaling back the nanny state.

• Reminder: The world really is getting better.

• Biden's sneaky censors.

• Bipartisanship is just another word for literally the worst ideas:

NEW: Lindsey Graham told us he wants to team up with Elizabeth Warren on a bill to stand up a *New Regulatory Agency* that would oversee and LICENSE companies like Twitter. https://t.co/gL5ue9xLBs

— Steven Dennis (@StevenTDennis) September 14, 2022

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  1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

    Fuck Joe Biden

    1. Moonrocks   3 years ago

      Fuck Joe Biden

      1. Eeyore   3 years ago

        Brandon beat covid.
        Brandon beat inflation.
        Brandon plans to beat cancer.

      2. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

        Impeach Joe Biden

      3. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

        Maybe use Biden as a paid informer?

    2. The Encogitationer   3 years ago

      Fuck Joe Biden and Fuck this asshole too!

      "After 9/11 libertarians tried to warn us about the Patriot Act and that it would be used against us. They were right and they deserve an apology from conservatives, including me." - Michael Anton, in a talk attacking security agencies, FASFA, and the FBI #NatCon3

      Aw, Naw!! Hell Naw! Apology not accepted! Enjoy your Fishbowl World! Enjoy your FISA Trials! Enjoy your Gulag! And if I get in, you better wash my laundry damn good, Maytag!

      Fuck Off, O'Brien!

  2. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

    A woman in Alexandria, Louisiana, was allegedly raped while serving as a confidential informant for local police officers, who sat oblivious nearby during the attack.

    Eggs for the criminal justice omelet?

    1. JesseAz   3 years ago

      It is safer for your informants when they are designing the criminal activity.

      1. Idaho Bob   3 years ago

        This quote:
        "She was an addict and we just used her as an informant like we've done a million times before."

        "Used her" is the key phrase.

        1. Ajsloss   3 years ago

          Sounds like the police are addicts too, using criminals like they've done "a million times before".

          1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

            But did they shoot any dogs?

    2. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   3 years ago

      The lesson here is that if we didn't have the war on drugs, she would have been raped without the police being involved.

      1. BestUsedCarSales   3 years ago

        Someday we'll have legal drugs and legal prostitution and we'll be able to smile upon the woman as she sucks cock for drugs in the sunlight.

        1. The Team Struggling   3 years ago

          Just as The Founders envisioned it.

        2. JesseAz   3 years ago

          God put blacklights in strip clubs for a reason.

        3. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

          Like in a marriage?

        4. The Encogitationer   3 years ago

          Go on!...

      2. The Encogitationer   3 years ago

        She wouldn't have been in the place and position to be raped if police hadn't forced her to be there!

        Da fuck's the matter with you??? Has the MAGA hat cut the blood circulation to your brain?

        1. EISTAU Gree-Vance   3 years ago

          Lol. ^ confirms what we all know about your sense of humor.

          1. The Encogitationer   3 years ago

            No, as my patter with Chumby and Utkanos should show, I have a wonderful sense of humor.

            It's just that on these comments, with all their double-standards, my-side-right-or-wrong, Whataboutism, and brazen apologetics for absurdity and evil, Poe's observation has turned from Law to Axiom. Without the proper heads-up, what could be a rimshot becomes a dull thud.

            Myself, I always follow humor with a smile or a wink, the only emoticons Reason is evidently capable of making. 🙂 😉

      3. The Encogitationer   3 years ago

        Sorry for any misunderstanding of your comment, Diane (Paul). It's just that similar sentiments were seriously said by law enforcers within the memory of people living today (namely me.)

        Over 40 years ago, a friend of my Sister's was chased down and shot at on the road in the middle of the night while going home from her restaurant job by Sheriff's Deputies who were plain-clothed in an unmarked car. They didn't even bother to show badges when they stopped and harassed my Sister's friend.

        Fortunately, she sued the County in a 14th Amendment civil rights lawsuit and the Sheriff and Deputies were forced out of their positions, but they did try to impune her reputation in the media and make her out to be a druggie hooker who "asked for it."

        A personal Two-Degrees-of-Separation from tyrannical, unjust authority, right when my Teenaged Libertarianism was blooming. Again, sorry for any misunderstanding.

  3. OpenBordersLiberal-tarian   3 years ago

    "inflation up and stocks down"

    Nope. This economy is the best ever. Any reports to the contrary are just the media being unfair to Biden. Reason's leading liberal capitalist told me so.

    #DefendBidenAtAllCosts

  4. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

    Authorities … never considered such an attack might happen...

    It's not their job to be law enforcement experts.

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

      What about mental health experts?

    2. The Encogitationer   3 years ago

      All those donuts put them in a walking Diabetic coma.

  5. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

    But, wait, how can inflation be rising and yet be down from the tallies announced in both June and July?

    Because math is racist.

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

      We should totally use Democracy! instead, and vote on the inflation rate.

    2. Overt   3 years ago

      Jesus is it really that hard to understand that just because you are increasing prices (slightly) more slowly, they are still increasing?

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

        It is difficult to get a man to believe something if his political career depends on not believing it.

  6. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

    As the media attempt to grapple with this felt reality, they reach over and over for the same word: polarization.

    Corporate journalism is both part of the polarization effort and part of the authoritarianism/illiberalism effort.

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

      Win-win!

    2. Sometimes a Great Notion   3 years ago

      The workhorse of America.

    3. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   3 years ago

      NYT is working on the 1620 project.

  7. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

    Inflation is up, stocks are down.

    WE DID IT, JOE.

    1. Sometimes a Great Notion   3 years ago

      Mission Accomplished

    2. Moonrocks   3 years ago

      Inflation is up, stocks are down

      And not a single mention of recession.

      1. HorseConch   3 years ago

        I've been informed that a group of old, white men declare a recession. Since that's the case, recessions are racist, and I refuse to take part in it.

        https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/30/economy/recession-economists-nber/index.html

        1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

          "There is a clear lack of racial diversity amongst the eight members, and NBER has never had a member who has been a racial minority"

          I thought that you were joking for a minute, but I should've known better, nowadays.

          1. Fats of Fury   3 years ago

            The acronym NBER scares them away.

        2. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   3 years ago

          WTF? The article has nothing substantial to say about the accuracy of the NBER. It rants about the lack of diversity and viewpoints, and offers up this gobbledegook of a non sequitur:

          It’s difficult to break through and get people to consider new frameworks for how we understand disparity and inequality. This creates an unbreakable cycle as storied economists lead editorial boards of peer-reviewed journals.

          Not even a hint of speculation about what new frameworks might exist or how they would serve better. The article is just a slam on the people who determine recessions for not including inferior economists to 'achieve' diversity. It really is about recessions being racist. Lenin would be proud.

        3. Quo Usque Tandem   3 years ago

          At last when D’s are in the wheelhouse it is racist and patriarchal

      2. JesseAz   3 years ago

        New recession definition requires a gop president to blame.

        1. A Thinking Mind   3 years ago

          So next they'll say that we're definitely in a recession, except it started under Trump and the recovery is well underway.

          1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

            And the chocolate ration will be increased again.

    3. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

      “We’re going to be fine”
      J Biden

      1. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

        "We're doomed"
        C3PO

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

          "We're throwing our support behind big money Democrats and progressives"
          Reason

          1. I, Woodchipper   3 years ago

            ^ It's a joke at this point but it really is astonishing how consistently Reason goes with big-gov Dem proggies.

            It seems like maoists have taken over reason and are wearing it like a skinsuit.

            1. JasonAZ   3 years ago

              No mean tweets! Whatever the cost.

      2. Vernon Depner   3 years ago

        "Think of what? We're fucked!"—Hudson

  8. Sometimes a Great Notion   3 years ago

    "After 9/11 libertarians tried to warn us about the Patriot Act and that it would be used against us. They were right and they deserve an apology from conservatives, including me."

    Keep your apology. Repeal it or Fuck Off.

    1. bobby oshea   3 years ago

      I don't think Mr. Anton holds an elected office.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

        Who really does?

      2. Sometimes a Great Notion   3 years ago

        General statement directed at conservatives.

        1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

          You'll have to wait until after November for that. Excepting electoral fortification of course.

          1. Sometimes a Great Notion   3 years ago

            We'll see. Given the opportunity to do the right thing; I suspect conservatives will do the opposite. Eg. Trump and Republicans reauthorized FISA sect 702; despite all the Deep State rhetoric.

            But I'm more cynical each day that passes. Hopefully they prove me wrong.

            1. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   3 years ago

              Until the People realize that we really don't need a political elite we will continue to be well and truly fucked. The elite of both parties will keep the Patriot Act because it protects them. They really don't care what it means to the rest of us.

    2. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   3 years ago

      Well, January 6 makes that apology not quite as pressing.

  9. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

    .. the real source of the perception that something isn't right?

    Maybe the fact that we have an mentality ill old man in the White House?

    1. Brandybuck   3 years ago

      Two in a row, no less.

      1. bobby oshea   3 years ago

        Very nice!

      2. Uilleam   3 years ago

        His statement was literal and is accurate. Yours is not.

    2. Longtobefree   3 years ago

      More likely the democrat party platform.
      That senile old man has done nothing but implement announced policies that people 'voted for'.

  10. Rich   3 years ago

    "we just used her as an informant like we've done a million times before."

    "A million times"?! Sheesh, what the hell is going on in Rapides Parish?

    1. Sometimes a Great Notion   3 years ago

      Not much sleep, evidently.

  11. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

    "After 9/11 libertarians tried to warn us about the Patriot Act and that it would be used against us. They were right and they deserve an apology from conservatives, including me."

    Never apologize to a 9/10 mentality!

  12. JesseAz   3 years ago

    Natural Resource Committee to go after PR firms and other professionals who help out climate deniers like the gas industry.

    https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/athena-thorne/2022/09/13/house-dems-target-new-narrative-deniers-for-persecution-n1629115

    1. Moonrocks   3 years ago

      Does this count as a War On Free Speech And Free Enterprise?

      1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

        Semi fascist.

        1. Rev. Arthur L. Kuckland   3 years ago

          I believe it's literally facist

          1. HorseConch   3 years ago

            Only if it's done by the Super-Fucking-MAGA's.

            1. Uilleam   3 years ago

              It's UltraMAGA dude.

              1. R Mac   3 years ago

                Supercalifragilisticultra-MAGA

      2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

        Not "war" but "fortification", like with voting. Do you think we can have a democratic nation without more government management?

        1. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

          democratic or Democratic? Seems like the latter to me.

  13. JesseAz   3 years ago

    The White House thinks you're an idiot. And this doesn't just mean sarc.

    "We are doing a lot more [than former President Donald Trump] to secure the border and could be doing even more if Republicans would stop their obstruction,” she said.

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/white-house/biden-doing-more-than-trump-border

    1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

      To be fair, a wall would be an obstruction.

      1. JesseAz   3 years ago

        Fair.

    2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

      It will be easier for you once the pod-people replace your brain.

      1. Sometimes a Great Notion   3 years ago

        pod-people

        aka Elon Musk and his neuralink.

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

          I worry more about Zuckerberg. That guy is a for-sure alien.

  14. JesseAz   3 years ago

    The DoJ paid a Russian Informant, from Steele Notoriety, from 2017 to 2020 to go after Trump.

    So now the two confirmed cases of collusion with Russians is Hillary and the DoJ. And yes the informant has previously been investigated for ties to Russian Intelligence.

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/justice/durham-steele-dossier-source-claims-evidence-trial

    1. JesseAz   3 years ago

      https://justthenews.com/accountability/russia-and-ukraine-scandals/new-durham-bombshell-fbi-paid-russian-accused-lying

    2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

      But that's the good kind of subversion, er, sedition, er, Resistance!

    3. TrickyVic (old school)   3 years ago

      ""Danchenko was indicted last year on five counts of making false statements to the bureau and has pleaded not guilty."'

      Liberals will tell you the Steele dossier was reliable information.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

        The best that money can buy!

    4. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   3 years ago

      Until this conspiracy comes true, we'll ignore it.

  15. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

    Within a few hours, he would be shot to death by police.

    It's not the police's fault the situation didn't escalate on its own in a timely manner. They can't wait forever.

  16. JesseAz   3 years ago

    Lisa Gallagher, a Trump voter in New Jersey, has come forward with the claim that the FBI visited her home the morning after Joe Biden’s fascistic speech at Independence Hall in which he declared Trump supporters to be enemies of our democracy.
    .
    Gallagher didn’t work in the Trump White House, nor was she present at the Capitol riot, yet she somehow ended up in the Biden administration’s crosshairs. She told her story to Tucker Carlson on Monday evening.
    .
    “I was terrified. I’ll be honest with you, when my daughter woke me up telling me there were three armed FBI officers at my door, I thought she was joking,” she told Carlson. “And I immediately tried to throw clothes on. I called my husband. I was crying. My knees were shaking. And even though I knew I had done nothing wrong, after seeing Joe Biden’s speech the night before I thought, ‘Oh my God, this is political.’ And I was frightened. I truly thought they can take me out of here in handcuffs.”

    https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/matt-margolis/2022/09/13/fbi-shows-up-on-trump-supporters-doorstep-and-she-wasnt-even-at-the-capitol-on-jan-6-n1629045

    1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

      Round up the usual suspects.

    2. Spiritus Mundi   3 years ago

      https://www.zerohedge.com/political/watch-dem-rep-says-we-gotta-kill-maga-extremists

      1. JesseAz   3 years ago

        And he is the "moderate" one.

      2. Idaho Bob   3 years ago

        Kill the movement...wink, wink.

    3. Illocust   3 years ago

      Too perfect. Could have happened, but I'm wary of the story without a second source saying it happened or some other evidence.

      1. JesseAz   3 years ago

        This isn't the only story like it the last few years. And the FBI only just admitted to raiding 40 trump associates.

        Reason even covered a similar story in Alaska.

        1. Illocust   3 years ago

          Oh I fully believe they would do something like this. I'm just also fully aware of how easy it is for someone to ride a wave of public outrage for fame and profit.

          1. Sometimes a Great Notion   3 years ago

            Or that the visit was for the stated purpose. It's NJ, she's probably a mobster (/sarc).

            1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

              In NJ, who isn't?

          2. Dakotian   3 years ago

            Yeah I agree it would be nice to have multiple sources for something like this but I got a feeling Tucker's staff is pretty careful to vet these things. They know most of the media would love to run a Tucker Carlson is fake news story.

      2. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   3 years ago

        I'm wary of the story without a second source saying it happened or some other evidence.

        You know you will get in trouble for lying to the FBI. Why would you lie about the FBI? If they were not already investigating you, they would start after you go on Carlson and accuse them of it.

    4. Social Justice is neither   3 years ago

      I may be sympathetic to the thought that the FBI is the DNC Gestapo these days but I'm going to require some proof before I start credibly believing random people way outside the political orbit are being intimidated by the FBI for little reason. Not a lot of proof, but more than the CBF level accusation and tearful sob story.

      1. JesseAz   3 years ago

        J6 is the only reason they need. A neighbor reported her as having attended the j6 protest.

        1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

          "A neighbor reported her as having attended the j6 protest."

          Imagine trying to explain this to someone from 10 years ago.

      2. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

        People used to say the same thing about the death camps.

    5. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   3 years ago

      Look, this isn't the 60s, and she's no Vietnam protesting hippie. So any complaints about being on FBI lists are hollow.

      1. Sometimes a Great Notion   3 years ago

        And now she'll find herself on a few more lists for complaining. Better check in advance before booking that airline ticket.

    6. R Mac   3 years ago

      I’m gonna need CNN’s coverage of what happened on Tucker Carlson’s show before I believe it.

  17. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

    New U.K. prime minister Liz Truss considers scaling back the nanny state.

    For everyone??? Or just favored communities?

    1. HorseConch   3 years ago

      Her 1st order of business was to "cap" electric rates, so I'm a tad skeptical of that take.

      1. JesseAz   3 years ago

        She has started to implement energy exploration at least.

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

          Like looking in the kitchen drawer for some AAs?

        2. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

          Looking in the grocery store for some Red Bull.

        3. R Mac   3 years ago

          Like keeping an eye out for a gas station on a road trip?

        4. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   3 years ago

          Like researching the use of wind power to keep the fog in London from blocking Parliament's solar panels?

    2. I, Woodchipper   3 years ago

      the british practically invented the nanny state. She's not gonna dial back shit.

  18. JesseAz   3 years ago

    Court has to order wisc election officials to not cure ballots in violation of state law.

    https://justthenews.com/nation/states/center-square/judge-refuses-allow-wisconsin-ballot-changing-guidance-continue

    1. Moderation4ever   3 years ago

      Yes, we cannot allow ballots where witnesses forgot the zip codes. Clearly that is voter fraud. The judge can follow up by cracking down on people going 26 mph where the limit is 25 mph. Because we have to follow the law to the letter.

      1. JesseAz   3 years ago

        Yes you can. Ballots aren't complicated.

        What you can't do is violate election rules because you want to.

        1. HorseConch   3 years ago

          I love how following the law isn't important, but voting is the most important duty we have. Kind of like Trump is a moron, but also the greatest, most cunning criminal that every lived.

          1. Uilleam   3 years ago

            Cognitive dissonance and progressivism go hand in hand.

          2. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

            For Dems the action of voting really is the most important, but the ballots are thoroughly unimportant. They're like toilet paper, worthless, once they're used you can flush them.

        2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

          But what if people vote for the wrong candidate?

          1. JesseAz   3 years ago

            Have the FBI visit their house like above.

      2. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

        Really? It's not that damned hard to put the proper ZIP Code on the ballot. If it is that damned hard, then maybe you shouldn't be entrusted with voting.

      3. Rev. Arthur L. Kuckland   3 years ago

        People that don't know the zip code they are voting in don't know the zip code they are voting in and therefor it is illegal for them to vote there

      4. TrickyVic (old school)   3 years ago

        ""Because we have to follow the law to the letter.""

        Except for party affiliates. They can get away with almost anything.
        If you disagree with the party, then they will go after you with every letter of the law.

      5. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

        Sure. The only thing that matters is intent.

        BTW, that is the justification for all progressive interventions in society, and the excuse for when all those interventions go bad.

      6. Fat Mike's Drug Habit   3 years ago

        How many mistakes are tolerable on a ballot before you decide they aren't admissible?

        1. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   3 years ago

          That's like asking which 20% of the rules of the road it is tolerable for people to not understand and still pass them on a driving test.

      7. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   3 years ago

        I don't know anything about this case, but taking the headline at face value, if those changes are legit and need to be made, they need to change the law.

        If you're doing it without approval from the legislature then yes, you are violating election law and it makes your elections look "fraud-ey".

        Election officials who keep going around the law and making their own rules because of "feels" is how we got here in the first place.

      8. R Mac   3 years ago

        M4E has reached a new level of stupidity. He can’t even remember his own zip code.

      9. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   3 years ago

        Is the chad dimpled, or hanging? Which is it? WHICH IS IT?

      10. damikesc   3 years ago

        "Yes, we cannot allow ballots where witnesses forgot the zip codes."

        What security measure would not be too much of a nothing to worry about? Anything stricter is "YOU ARE TRYING TO DISENFRANCHISE EVERYBODY!" so when something as minor as this is offered, it is "WHAT? YOU'RE GOING TO DISENFRANCHISE SOMEBODY OVER THAT?"

        How about you must register months in advance so you have time to correct any errors? And if you do not register months in advance --- say August 1 at latest, then you do not vote. Period.

  19. Mickey Rat   3 years ago

    It is fascinating that Reason considers a state government determining that what is, essentially, a racial essentialist conspiracy theory (CRT influenced pedagogy) does not belong in the government school curriculum is authoritarian. An argument can be made that the legislation against this is ham fisted, but presumably there should be no issue in theory that the state does have that authority.

    1. Brandybuck   3 years ago

      Your thesis being that government has all the authority and the question remainining is whether that jackboot gets worn by a local, state, or national thug. Got it.

      1. JesseAz   3 years ago

        Wut?

        1. HorseConch   3 years ago

          Sure thing. The state interfering with the state-run school is definitely jackbooting.

      2. Mickey Rat   3 years ago

        They are government run schools. Presumably the state government has the authority to set the state curriculum standards for the government run schools. Whether the state governments should be running schools is a different argument.

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

          There might be an option where state run schools try to avoid political partisanship.

          1. I, Woodchipper   3 years ago

            it's not possible. never has been

          2. Fats of Fury   3 years ago

            Mrs. Horse's Ass says all books should be in (school) libraries.
            https://youtu.be/fCbUYBjSXlI?t=281
            Let's publish and distribute Ashley Biden's diary or Hunter's laptop in book form.

      3. Sevo   3 years ago

        Dunno if TDS caused this level of idiocy, or perhaps Brandyshit was already this idiotic and TDS is yet one more symptom.

        1. Fat Mike's Drug Habit   3 years ago

          You don't become that stupid overnight, you have to spend your entire life working on it.

          1. Uilleam   3 years ago

            I'm always amazed at how much effort these dum-dums put into being wrong.

      4. damikesc   3 years ago

        Brandy, who runs the public schools?

        Hint: Not private companies.

    2. Rev. Arthur L. Kuckland   3 years ago

      The state only has the authority to demand that teachers tell the white kids they are racist. The state is not allowed to demand that students not ne seamonized because of their race

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

        How else are white people going to learn to hate themselves? Besides Hollywood, media, marketing, higher ed, semi-official public protests, and politicians.

      2. R Mac   3 years ago

        “seamonized”

        Wait, is this story about CRT or tranny grooming?

    3. Cyto   3 years ago

      It is the drumbeat of "Republicans Pounce".

      The bulk of the media has moved on from bias and into full propaganda mode. But much of what remains has moved to bias... Where motivated reasoning comes into play. In this case, CRT definitely did not exist and there is no story... Well, except that bit... But look at what the Republicans are Saying!!!!!!

      The answer to all of these excesses by the right is easy. Stop.

      Yet reason doesn't even call on the left to stop.

      Stop encouraging illegal immigration and raise legal immigration quotas. Easy, and well within their powers. You have to be obtuse to miss the root cause and go for the reaction.

      Stop using banks and payment processors to attack political enemies. We had no trouble calling them out over prostitution.... Why so tough to talk about people who.. say stuff?

      Stop censoring public speakers on the right. Stop claiming speech is violence. Stop allowing rioters to run free. Stop encouraging petty crime.

      Stop politically motivated censoring of the news! Stop censoring dissenting voices in the medical community!

      These were easy calls.... Yet even Reason had nothing to say as the CDC ignored years of published research and the social media companies blocked any mention of it.

      Not everything is "both sides". They say "it takes two to tango". But it only takes one to start a fight. One person dancing and the other person throwing punches... You don't get a tango, you get a fight.

      And the civil liberties community has abandoned their post. The ACLU loudly announced their active partisanship, becoming another historically great champion of liberty to become a partisan attack dog. Obama's election and the post-racial society broke the liberty coalition. Left libertarians little dared criticize such a historic figure. And then Trump.

      And now? Reason can't say teaching kids to be racist is wrong.. full stop. No qualifiers, no need to interject republican responses... Just, "this is really bad, and something we have been fighting for 150 years. Please stop doing it!"

      If you leave it to Ron DeSantis to fight this movement of corporatist censorship by himself, you are gonna get Lindsey Graham compromise state control over social media companies. So don't be an idiot. Don't leave the field to Ron DeSantis.

      On the left, we have Tulsi Gabbard standing up to them. But only on Fox.. so useless. And we have Glenn Greenwald... On substack.... Also useless.

      And that is just about it.

      Complaining about Republicans pouncing isn't just a trope. It isn't just a part of the problem. It is a major source of the problem.

      We gotta start fighting the guys who are setting fires and do a lot less complaining about the methods the firefighters are using. Sure, maybe they are ill-trained and causing some damage, but the arsonists are burning the building down. Get rid of the arsonists and the firemen go home.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

        Nicely put, but I think you have Reason confused with people who might reject corporate authoritarianism.

      2. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   3 years ago

        And now? Reason can't say teaching kids to be racist is wrong.. full stop. No qualifiers, no need to interject republican responses... Just, "this is really bad, and something we have been fighting for 150 years. Please stop doing it!"

        An old article, but this is how it's done.

        Critical race theory: a ruling-class ideology
        It is embraced by today's political and cultural elites because it serves their interests.

        The mainstreaming and elite-backing of anti-racism initiatives speaks to a new understanding of racism. Critical race theory (CRT) used to be a minority pursuit, an obscure academic interest. In 2020 it provided the rationale for protests, books, diversity workshops and school lessons. In June, Channel 4 screened The School That Tried to End Racism, a documentary series that followed the progress of children made to undergo an anti-racist re-education programme based upon principles of CRT. New phrases entered our vocabulary. Terms like systemic racism, unconscious bias, white privilege, cultural appropriation, reparations, microaggression and intersectionality migrated from academics and activists to newspapers, radio discussions, charity campaigns and school lessons. President Trump and Kemi Badenoch, the UK’s minister for equalities, made speeches explicitly naming CRT and calling out its perniciousness.

      3. But SkyNet is a Private Company   3 years ago

        Well fvcking said

    4. Mike Laursen   3 years ago

      This comment is made in what context? What state? There wasn’t any story about CRT or education in the morning links.

      1. Cyto   3 years ago

        Stop defending it. You sound like a moron.

        If you are too dumb to see the connection despite having spent literally tens of thousands of words arguing this exact topic.. just give it up and go be a troll at the local pub instead.

        1. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   3 years ago

          go be a troll at the local pub instead.

          Will never happen. White Mike is a coward who knows his arguments only appeal to people's fear. His mentality is that of all activist lefties. Teach CRT to kids in school where they can't escape and to object means failure.

      2. JesseAz   3 years ago

        Youre only allowed to discuss approved narratives here?

      3. Mickey Rat   3 years ago

        It is part of the "authoritarian convergence" story as an example of GOP authoritarianism.

        Please keep up.

        1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

          He knows, but he didn't have any other method of attack.

        2. Mike Laursen   3 years ago

          Thanks for answering my question. Even if you were a snot about it.

        3. Mike Laursen   3 years ago

          So, this: "The law that sparked the brouhaha is one of dozens that seek to clamp down on what can be said in classrooms across the country. Introduced in a mad rush to scrub curricula of what conservatives call critical race theory and progressive sexual politics, these legislative efforts are often sloppily written and open to abuse. Nor do all of them stop with state-run K-12 education. Some claim to apply to private schools; others target higher ed. A different Florida law represents such an egregious violation of the rights of professors and college students to discuss controversial topics that the Foundation for Individual Rights and Expression has asked administrators to consider refusing to comply."

        4. Mike Laursen   3 years ago

          You don't find it a bit authoritarian for state legislators to be telling college professors what topics they can teach?

          1. damikesc   3 years ago

            Are states PAYING?

            If so...then no.

            Colleges are free to forego public funding if they so wish.

            It also wasn't wrong for states to determine that colleges could not bar blacks from attending. Nor women. Nor Jews.

      4. Rev. Arthur L. Kuckland   3 years ago

        Slit your wrists

  20. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

    Reminder: The world really is getting better.

    In other news, the people you disagree with are nazis.

    1. JasonAZ   3 years ago

      We're increasing your chocolate ration from 20mg to 15mg. Enjoy comrades!

  21. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

    Biden's sneaky censors.

    I'm beginning to wonder if a certain party's near total capture on journalism and tech might start to at some point become a bit of a situation.

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

      Only when they want it to be one.

    2. Mike Laursen   3 years ago

      There is not a “near capture on journalism”. There are many, many alternative news sources. Commenters here cite them all the time.

      1. Cyto   3 years ago

        You really make your living denying water is wet, don't you?

      2. TrickyVic (old school)   3 years ago

        ""There are many, many alternative news sources.""

        Not really. There are very few sources and many so called news sources are just regurgitating from other sources.

      3. Fat Mike's Drug Habit   3 years ago

        And there's a constant battle to not have them censored as "misinformation".

        Are you seriously denying that there hasn't been a concerted effort to silence anyone too critical of Joe Biden? Are you Hellen Keller?

      4. R Mac   3 years ago

        Embarrassing.

    3. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   3 years ago

      Reason doesn't want to oversell this.

  22. JesseAz   3 years ago

    This was a lazier roundup than usual with sub stories being links to reason articles from yesterday.

    1. HorseConch   3 years ago

      Hard to blame ENB for linking to such incredible journalism. She's lucky enough to work with the best of the best. It really makes her job easy.

    2. Rev. Arthur L. Kuckland   3 years ago

      If you prop up slade you are a cunt

  23. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

    Lindsey Graham told us he wants to team up with Elizabeth Warren-

    STOP RIGHT THERE

    1. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

      "Time to regulate, Kemosabe."

    2. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

      What’s worse, them teaming up or hooking up?

      1. Moonrocks   3 years ago

        Who wears the strap-on?

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

          And the Indian princess outfit?

          1. Uilleam   3 years ago

            All of you go straight to jail for this comment thread.

            1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

              It spiraled out of control so fast!

              1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

                You're welcome.

  24. sarcasmic   3 years ago

    Shocking moment Colorado deputies shoot and kill man, 22, who called 911 to ask for HELP after crashing his car on a rural road: Driver told cops he had 'smoked' but was not suspected of any crime

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11208675/Family-Colorado-man-shot-police-wants-accountability.html#newcomment

    The cops got tired of the guy wasting their time so they shot him. Sadly this isn't unusual in situations like this.

    Not that it matters. The guy they murdered is white, so nobody cares. Police misconduct only matters when someone can be accused of racism. Admitting that cops treat white people with the same depraved indifference as black people would mean it's not racism, rather there's something wrong with the entire system.
    That's simply not up for discussion. So nothing to see here. Move along.

    1. Brandybuck   3 years ago

      To Protect and Serve!

    2. A Thinking Mind   3 years ago

      I mean, he literally did swing a knife at officers.

      1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

        While inside a car. Oooooo. So dangerous.

        1. A Thinking Mind   3 years ago

          Okay then. You go arrest this guy swinging a knife, big man.

          1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

            Arrest him? For what? He was trapped inside the car and asking for help. They respond by smashing the window, escalating the situation, and ultimately killing him.

            That's some great servin and protectin, Joe.

            1. JesseAz   3 years ago

              When you're trapped in a car you start swinging your knife?

              1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

                You consider someone who is trapped inside their car with a knife to be a deadly threat?

                You're an even bigger pussy than I thought.

                1. JesseAz   3 years ago

                  I consider someone swinging a knife at me to be a threat. Are you truly this stupid?

                  1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

                    He's in a stationary position, so he's only a threat if you put yourself within arm's reach. If he was on his feet and mobile I'd be inclined to agree with you. But not in this case.

                    1. A Thinking Mind   3 years ago

                      Police spend a lot of time asking him to step out of the car. He doesn't. He asks the police to drag him out of the car-I watched the video and he says this. When police DO attempt to do that, he's swinging a knife at them.

                      I'm sorry, nobody should have the responsibility for saving you for the life-ending decisions you make. I wish he hadn't been killed, I don't think he "deserved it" or anything, but I do think this was entirely justified. And you probably think it was too, to some extent, or else you wouldn't be concealing information or actively lying about the circumstances in order to make your point.

                    2. JesseAz   3 years ago

                      The guy who laughed and applauded an unarmed woman killed at the Capitol now thinks swinging a knife at a cop is no big deal.

                      Full retard activated.

                    3. sarcasmic   3 years ago

                      How am I concealing information when I gave the link? Dumbass.

                      When police DO attempt to do that, he's swinging a knife at them.

                      And once they take a single step backwards he is no longer a threat. Rather than attempt to deescalate or wait for him to calm down, they killed him for wasting their time.

                    4. JesseAz   3 years ago

                      We know sarc didn't watch the video. Thanks for more information ATM.

                    5. Mickey Rat   3 years ago

                      The man's actions made no sense. He called the police for help, then refused their help and got violent when they tried to remove him from the car. The wording his family used seem to indicate he was emotionally disturbed in that time. Perhaps he was trying for suicide by cop. I wish the police had found another way of dealing with the situation without killing him, but I think there are some extenuating circumstances about their role in what happened.

                    6. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   3 years ago

                      I understand he was disturbed, but he told the 911 operator that he had 2 knives. Not 'a' knife, but 2 knives. He asked her if he should toss them out, but he didn't. Later, he offered the cops to toss them out, but he didn't. He kept drawing attention to the knives. The police obliged him by paying attention to the knives.

                      For someone who stated again and again that Ashli Babbitt was just begging to get executed for going through a window with no weapon and her hands in plain sight, Sarcasmic is being more than a bit hypocritical on this one.

                  2. Rev. Arthur L. Kuckland   3 years ago

                    Remember the source, this is the guy that taught his daughter its okay to key a car

                    1. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   3 years ago

                      I could find some measure of appreciation for Sarc if he were just an actual libertarian-leaning contrarian like a few of the actual contrarians he regularly accuses of being on team Red. But he really is just a passive-aggressive douchebag that craves attention.

                      Keying a car is the signature seething passive-aggressive move. To teach it to your kid is reprehensible.

            2. JesseAz   3 years ago

              Let's take your assertion at face value. He is trapped. How do you get someone out of a car when the doors aren't working? Maybe the window?

              1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

                Police tried to talk to Glass and get him to step out of the car. They offered him soda, cigarettes and beef jerky, but Glass wouldn’t come out.

                1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

                  That should have been in quotes, from The Denver Post.

                2. sarcasmic   3 years ago

                  He refused a soda? Kill the motherfucker!

                  1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

                    What do you think the cigarettes were for?

                    1. R Mac   3 years ago

                      Lol.

            3. A Thinking Mind   3 years ago

              He was not trapped inside the car. There's nothing in the report. You made it up. The video doesn't show a vehicle that is in bad enough shape for him to be trapped, and he never says that he can't move, just that he's terrified to get out.

              Likely he was high as a kite and having a paranoid trip.

              1. JesseAz   3 years ago

                This.

              2. sarcasmic   3 years ago

                Ahhh, he was high. That justifies killing him. Great point.

                1. A Thinking Mind   3 years ago

                  Do you think you're clever when you're trying to put words in people's mouths? It's so fucking transparent.

                  They didn't decide to shoot him for being a stoner, they shot him when he was swinging a knife around.

                  1. JesseAz   3 years ago

                    This is him admitting he hoped people didn't actually read the story. Now he has to rationalize why his first post wasn't wrong for omitting the primary information.

                  2. sarcasmic   3 years ago

                    Swinging a knife around while seating in a fucking car!

                    Do you think a jury would let you off if someone seated in a car pulled out a knife and you then shot them from a safe distance, without ever being in any real danger?
                    I doubt it.
                    Yes, by swinging the knife around he was preventing anyone from helping him, but he wasn't posing a danger to anyone.
                    So rather than deescalate or wait him out, they killed him for wasting their time.

                2. JesseAz   3 years ago

                  So youre just going to ignore the fact he was actively swinging a knife at people. Full dumbass. Got it.

                  1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

                    So you're just going to ignore the fact that he was seated in a car and only a threat to someone who approached him.

                    1. JesseAz   3 years ago

                      You've already admitted to being wrong about everything below. Yet you persist.

                3. damikesc   3 years ago

                  "Ahhh, he was high. That justifies killing him. Great point."

                  He was likely trespassing, if that makes you feel better.

        2. JesseAz   3 years ago

          Why did you leave that out of your first post?

          1. A Thinking Mind   3 years ago

            He hoped we wouldn't read about it, probably. It seems worse if it's just someone calmly sitting in their car than someone who had pulled out a knife and was actively swinging it around.

            1. JesseAz   3 years ago

              I'm sure he was just being sarcastic and not retarded.

            2. sarcasmic   3 years ago

              He was inside a car. He was only a threat to someone who intentionally got within range of the knife.

              What happened was the cops got tired of dealing with the guy, so they killed him.

              1. JesseAz   3 years ago

                Your arguments are getting worse.

                1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

                  You're the one who fears for his life when you see someone in a parking lot swinging a knife out their window.

                  1. JesseAz   3 years ago

                    Cite?

                    Please keep defending people attacking others with a knife. Makes you look great.

                    1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

                      You said the guy was a deadly threat who deserved to be killed.

                      So obviously when you're walking through the parking lot at Walmart and you see someone sitting in a parked car with a knife you run away like a pussy and call the cops.

                    2. JesseAz   3 years ago

                      Cite?

                      I said someone swinging a knife at you is a threat.

                      Keep spiraling dummy.

    3. sarcasmic   3 years ago

      The comments in the article are pretty disgusting. They're mostly along the lines of "He deserved it for not doing what he was told."

      1. JesseAz   3 years ago

        Or attempting to stab the officer from reports. Small details.

        1. A Thinking Mind   3 years ago

          See, the thing is, I've always only asked that police be held to the same standards as non-police. Shooting fleeing suspects in the back is not something any member of the public gets away with so police shouldn't get away with it either. Slamming a man's head down into the pavement while two other guys have his body pinned down is attempted murder, even if you're trying to subdue him.

          But in the midst of a guy swinging a knife at you, you're justified in using deadly force, and police should be as well. I'm not really up in arms over this one.

          1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

            But in the midst of a guy swinging a knife at you, you're justified in using deadly force, and police should be as well.

            The guy is trapped in a car. Instead of opening fire you could, I dunno, take one step backwards?

            1. JesseAz   3 years ago

              The guy is swinging a knife at officers. Stop lying.

            2. A Thinking Mind   3 years ago

              He was not trapped inside the car. Stop lying. He refused to get out. Officers don't have an obligation to let a guy stab them, nor does anyone else.

              Also, this is an obvious case of DUI. He crashed his vehicle and was high as a kite. Do you think it should be legal to drive while on an intoxicant?

              1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

                He was not trapped inside the car. Stop lying. He refused to get out.

                What's the difference? He wasn't getting out. So he wasn't a threat unless you got really close.

                Officers don't have an obligation to let a guy stab them, nor does anyone else.

                Nor do they have an obligation to get within reach of someone who isn't going anywhere.

                Also, this is an obvious case of DUI. He crashed his vehicle and was high as a kite. Do you think it should be legal to drive while on an intoxicant?

                Do you think cops should be able to kill people for wasting their time?

                1. A Thinking Mind   3 years ago

                  What's the difference? He wasn't getting out.

                  Then why did you say he was "trapped?" Why did you use that word? Perhaps because it does NOT mean the same thing?

                  Do you think cops should be able to kill people for wasting their time?

                  Do you actually want an answer to this question? If so, perhaps you should answer mine. If you don't want an answer to this question, why are you still responding?

                  1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

                    Then why did you say he was "trapped?"

                    Because I misread the article and thought that he was. I'm not perfect like you.

                    Do you actually want an answer to this question?

                    Yes. Do you think it's ok for police to kill someone who is wasting their time?

                    1. JesseAz   3 years ago

                      So you spent a dozen posts defending a narrative you couldn't bother to educate yourself on?

                      Looking great this morning sarc.

                    2. sarcasmic   3 years ago

                      He was seated in a car and only a threat to anyone who approached him. According to you the police had no duty to deescalate or wait until the guy calmed down. Summary execution was the only possible choice for the police.

                      Good to know.

                    3. JesseAz   3 years ago

                      Keep tripling down on your narrative sarc. Looking great for you this morning.

                    4. Libertariantranslator   3 years ago

                      The exact legal term is "setting the example that is begging for unequal yet apposite reprisal force." THEN the cop union guy comes out whining abt cowardly brutality, tear-streaked (or silently thankful) widders 'n orfins. Then again, it is Kleptocracy politicians who call the shots.

                  2. JesseAz   3 years ago

                    Sarcs usual all cops deserve to die thinking led him to lie about a story to try to foment outrage at officers. He gets called out and is now trying to rationalize why he hid the actual facts of the situation. Going as far as to call others pussies for saying it is indeed a threat when someone swings a knife at you.

                    He is about 2 posts away from declaring himself a victim.

                2. Fat Mike's Drug Habit   3 years ago

                  Do you think cops should just let the guy go?

                  What else are they supposed to do? It looks like an obvious DUI, their responsibility in that situation is to try to discern if the guy is intoxicated or not. They would've willingly just questioned him peacefully had he gotten out of the car, he escalated the situation to violence and he lost.

                  "wasting their time" is about the most disingenuous way to describe the situation, but you're you so I guess just keep on keepin' on.

            3. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

              Not "trapped in a car", asshole. Refusing to leave a car.

              1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

                I'm glad you've never misread anything in your life. Must be nice. I wish I was perfect like you.

                1. A Thinking Mind   3 years ago

                  Do you have anything in your quiver that isn't a strawman?

          2. mad.casual   3 years ago

            I think it's fair to ask for better standards from public servants and at least expect the same standards.

    4. JesseAz   3 years ago

      Weird summary.

      Glass was shot after he became “argumentative and uncooperative” and tried to stab an officer when police broke a car window to grab him.

      https://www.wbal.com/article/583100/3/family-of-colorado-man-shot-by-police-wants-accountability

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

        This a a type example for the question "how crazy can you act in public and not get killed?" Discuss.

        1. JesseAz   3 years ago

          I will willingly say swinging a knife at someone is past that line.

        2. A Thinking Mind   3 years ago

          I think it's possible officers could have handled this differently, so yes, he could have survived acting this crazy. They weren't "obligated" to shoot him. But when a person has like 98 different ways they could have survived and they choose option 99, it's really difficult for me to conjure up tears.

          The thing is, I consider DUI a crime of violence, even if this guy didn't hurt anyone. So this isn't a case where I'm comfortable with officers just sitting back and not doing anything, and it seems pretty obvious this is a DUI. He could have stepped out of the vehicle and surrendered peacefully but he was too irrational for that. He doesn't get a free pass, though. And when they attempt to subdue him, he gets aggressive with deadly force, and the NAP is broken. I have no principled objection with how this unfolded. In a world with no police, we'd still have people who deal with car accidents, or individual people would take it upon themselves, and you'd still be stuck with the issue of someone in a car swinging at knife at anyone who gets close.

          1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

            ...you'd still be stuck with the issue of someone in a car swinging at knife at anyone who gets close.

            Someone who swings a knife around when you get close is an active, deadly threat requiring the proactive use of deadly force?

            1. JesseAz   3 years ago

              Not a big deal.

              https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/08/world/canada/canada-stabbings-saskatchewan.html

              Just step away.

            2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

              Someone who swings a knife around in public whenever they think another person gets too close is not a problem?

            3. Libertariantranslator   3 years ago

              To looter totalitarians EVERYTHING is an active deadly threat requiring the initiation of deadly force!

      2. Cyto   3 years ago

        No duty to retreat!

        Not even 3 feet.

        Police use terrible tactics all the time. We should not be locked into a binary choice. Remember the guy on the sidewalk in St. Louis immediately after Hands Up Don't Shoot? Video showed nutjob walking around sidewalk for a while, harming nobody. Then police surround him, guns drawn (in circle formation, genius!). And then they close in. When he flinches. The close range is justification for killing him. But he didn't close the range. They did. Quickly.

        Remember the kid with the screwdriver? Off his meds, so mom called for help with him? She answers the door in her nightgown, not concerned about any danger. Kid comes to door with screwdriver in hand. Police advance aggressively instead of backing off... And when he moves toward them, they kill him.

        Bad tactics.

        Police are people too. They get locked in on a course of action.

        "Get him out of the car" becomes the mission.... Not "Save this guy". So when he reacts badly after the window is broken, forward is the only direction.

        Not every bad outcome is do to criminal behavior by the cops. Bad tactics can create bad outcomes.

        I don't agree with the "judging from the quiet of your office" people who fail to take reality into account. And I don't agree with the "just comply or you get what you deserve" crowd either.

        We have to have a world where mistakes can be made. Police can screw up and not be racist criminals. And citizens can have a bad day and not get killed. One requires changes to our legal system and the way we oversee police. And one requires changes to how police are trained (which might hinge on those first two things happening).

        Until we can call out bad tactics, we will not make progress. Tamir Rice didn't die because racist police wanted to kill black children. He died because a cop drove up way too close and put his partner only feet away from a potentially lethal threat, creating that "split second decision" police always talk about. Better tactics, no split second decision.

        But no... Race huxtors gonna grift. And statists gonna side with the state. So zero movement.

        1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

          No duty to retreat!

          Not even 3 feet.

          Not according to JesseAz and unThinking Mind. The cops were completely justified and the guy deserved what he got for being high and swinging a knife from inside a car. He was a deadly threat to everyone around. They couldn't deescalate or wait him out, nor could they stand a couple steps back in safety. No. Their only option was deadly force.

          1. Sevo   3 years ago

            You pathetic pile of shit, when one or two people mention that you're full of shit, they might be wrong. When the world points out that you're full of shit, you're full of shit.
            Fuck off and die, asshole

            1. A Thinking Mind   3 years ago

              Jacob Blake was just trying to take his kids to church!

          2. JesseAz   3 years ago

            Sarc. Why did you misrepresent the case in your first post?

          3. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   3 years ago

            Sarcasmic fails today's logic problem.

            Buen then shot him five times, after which Glass stabbed himself multiple times.

            Seriously, did you even read the news story by the Denver Post or just rely on the narrative in the Daily Mail? If the whole thing wasn't a setup for his suicide, why did he stab himself?

            That being said, being disturbed and suicidal does not obligate the police to assist you in terminating your life. They are certainly willing to block even major freeways for hours on end to 'investigate' when they feel it necessary. There is never a reason to escalate such a situation because of the length of time involved.

            This story is sad and pathetic. It does not surprise me that Sarcasmic takes it personally.

          4. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

            I will ask again, what are the limits for societal responses to insane or dangerous behavior? Do you think every city and town should fund a psycho crisis response team, who can spend hours or days engaged in every incident with infinite tolerance, and magical levels of understanding and peaceful resolution?

            At what point are crazy people putting their own lives on the line (and perhaps the lives of others) when they go out in public?

            1. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   3 years ago

              Probably more constructive to focus on the cases like Philandro Castile where someone was shot by police while attempting to comply. Reporting situations like this and Blake in the same voice as they report on Castile makes them guilty of conflating legitimate use of force with an execution by a bad actor under the color of law. It feeds into false narratives.

              Kind of like when they eulogized Garrett Foster and are now ignoring that Daniel Perry is still facing murder charges 2 years later for defending himself. Foster pointed a loaded rifle at him while he was trapped in his car during an unpermitted march that was illegally blocking traffic. The police investigation determined that it was self defense, but the Travis County DA charged him anyway. The police investigator even accused the DA of omitting significant facts from the presentation to the Grand Jury. Seems like a libertarian story, but doesn't lend itself to the false narratives of Progressives.

  25. CharlesWT   3 years ago

    "When San Francisco police used DNA taken from a rape victim in 2016 to accuse her of burglary five years later, they were met with denunciations, local and state legislation to ban the practice, and, on Monday, a lawsuit seeking damages.

    “This is government overreach of the highest order, using the most unique and personal thing we have — our genetic code — without our knowledge to try and connect us to crime,” attorney Adante Pointer said in a statement announcing the lawsuit, which was filed in federal court."
    Rape victim whose DNA was used to charge her with a crime sues San Francisco

    1. Libertariantranslator   3 years ago

      Wasn't that a South Park episode?

  26. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

    "Instead, they left her on her own, waiting for her to come out while the dealer, Antonio D. Jones, allegedly forced her to perform oral sex on him, twice."

    So, like politicians and Hollywood producers?

    1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

      I envy his stamina.

      1. bobby oshea   3 years ago

        So, this encounter must have lasted at least... what... 45 minutes? Factoring in time for the drug deal, completion of the first act, refractory period, completion of a second drug deal, completion of the second act.

        How did Mr. Jones force compliance? was she tied up? internal locks on the doors?

        1. Cyto   3 years ago

          It is probably all recorded.

          And if so... Not sure why they would plead anything down.

        2. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

          How did Mr. Jones force compliance?

          I assume you are “asking for a friend “.

          1. Cyto   3 years ago

            Oof!

            1. bobby oshea   3 years ago

              Thats my safe word too!

    2. Cyto   3 years ago

      Or a Hawaii vice cop.

    3. I, Woodchipper   3 years ago

      allegedly forced her to perform oral sex on him, twice.

      I have questions

  27. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

    '"Federal law already prohibits the inclusion of victims' DNA in the national Combined DNA Index System," notes ABC News.'

    What don't you people get about national (global) databases?

    1. Mickey Rat   3 years ago

      What has been the standard set for databases on other inherent personal identity information, like fingerprints?

  28. Sevo   3 years ago

    "The authoritarian convergence. "The problem with American politics isn't polarization—it's rising illiberalism," writes Stephanie Slade in her excellent Reason cover story, now online."

    Yep, that darn De Santis, telling people THEY must decide whether to wear a mask or not!

  29. Dillinger   3 years ago

    >>Confidential informants are often people who've been arrested for minor crimes and

    get put into life-threatening situations so the police don't have to go in themselves.

  30. I, Woodchipper   3 years ago

    "She was an addict and we just used her as an informant like we've done a million times before."

    Standard operating procedure.

    There really are no good cops.

    1. Libertariantranslator   3 years ago

      "The only good indian is a dead indian." Theodore Roosevelt, Republican, 1886

  31. Jerry B.   3 years ago

    Not only don't the cops protect you from rape, but you can't protect yourself from rape and trafficking.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-62898366

    1. Mickey Rat   3 years ago

      To be a devil's advocate, does engaging an underage sex worker allegedly forced into that work deserve a death sentence?

      That is a horrific story, but the claim is that her killing him in his sleep could not be justified as self-defense.

      1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

        Sarc would argue she should have just stepped away.

        1. Cyto   3 years ago

          That seems to be what prosecutors are arguing... There were no barriers to escape.

          It seems she has incompetent counsel. Surely any top half of the class lawyer could convince a jury to nullify those charges. 15 year old kid, raped repeatedly. Sex trafficked? Yeah, I would take that case to a jury. No chance they convict if you have human beings on the panel.

          1. Cyto   3 years ago

            Also... I am not sure how dad's in this situation do not end up with a trunk full of dismembered prosecutor parts.

            Depending on the history, of course. But some predatory takes my 13 or 14 year old kid for a couple of years like that and a prosecutor comes after her?

            Well... I have a hard time imagining being civil about it.

            But I guess that assumes real parents in the picture, and not cartoon abuseive and neglectful parents who are not protective of their daughter.

          2. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   3 years ago

            There were no barriers to escape.

            When you tell someone repeatedly that you will hunt them down and kill them if they try to escape, that is a barrier. Any competent attorney could argue that. Anyone who watched any crime show since the 80s could argue that.

            a man took her in and trafficked her to others for sex. She told the court one of them was Brooks, 37, and that he had raped her many times.

            Maybe the fact that the guy she killed was not the guy that was pimping her out was the problem.

      2. Fats of Fury   3 years ago

        Ironically she'll have to continue "sex working" to pay off the reparation fine.

    2. Fats of Fury   3 years ago

      One thing for sure, Benjamin Crump isn't getting involved.

  32. Aegis   3 years ago

    As the cops have no duty to protect, is there supposed to be some point to this story?

    1. Libertariantranslator   3 years ago

      Winston, the Party says you did not see "protect and serve" stenciled onto those cop cars...

  33. Conchfritters   3 years ago

    Inflation is up and the stock markets down… let me guess: and you’ll only get mugged if you go downtown??

    A country boy can survive.

    1. The Encogitationer   3 years ago

      True enough, though I "don't give a damn" about the "saying grace" part. 🙂

      1. EISTAU Gree-Vance   3 years ago

        Really? No way! I never would have guessed that!

  34. Social Justice is neither   3 years ago

    Being an informant is not a lifetime "get out of jail free" card you idiot. She was charged with subsequent, unrelated acts. If you must lie or actively decieve to make a point your point is not worth making.

    1. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   3 years ago

      If you must lie or actively decieve to make a point your point is not worth making.

      You clearly don't subscribe to the NYT or WaPo.

  35. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   3 years ago

    Another free markets story that Reason seems to have missed:

    Take Cem Özdemir, the German food and agriculture minister. In an interview with the Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung, he said that ‘hunger should not be abused as an argument to make compromises regarding biodiversity or protection of the climate’.

    Wissenschaft! über alles!

  36. Libertariantranslator   3 years ago

    You have to wonder about a school system that turns out a woman unschooled enough to agree to turn snitch and spy for Lousyanna police... Let this be a warning to any females there who have not yet fled north across state lines.

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