Cops Fail To Protect Own Informant From Rape, Then Charge Her With a Drug Crime
Plus: The authoritarian convergence, inflation up and stocks down, and more...

A woman in Alexandria, Louisiana, was allegedly raped while serving as a confidential informant for local police officers, who sat oblivious nearby during the attack. Officers with the Rapides Parish Sheriff's Office (RPSO) had sent the woman into a house to make a meth buy without monitoring her in real time.
The ranking officer in the sting operation was Lt. Mark Parker. He told the Associated Press that the RPSO had never monitored in real time as confidential informants did stings, though it has started doing so now.
"We've always done it this way," Parker told the A.P. "She was an addict and we just used her as an informant like we've done a million times before."
The woman was serving as a confidential informant after being arrested around a month earlier. Confidential informants are often people who've been arrested for minor crimes and get offered leniency in exchange for helping bust someone else.
Aside from showcasing yet another tragedy of America's pointless and destructive war on drugs, the situation raises questions about the handling of confidential informants. These are people that police send into potentially dangerous situations and should have a duty to protect.
In this case, the woman sent to buy drugs from a suspected dealer was wearing a hidden microphone and camera. But the equipment did not transmit to sheriff's deputies in real time. Instead, they left her on her own, waiting for her to come out while the dealer, Antonio D. Jones, allegedly forced her to perform oral sex on him, twice.
"Authorities … never considered such an attack might happen and the devices the woman carried didn't have the ability to transmit the operation to law enforcement in real time," the A.P. reported.
"It was recording but not to where my guys were monitoring it," said Rapides Parish Sheriff Mark Wood, blaming the January 2021 incident on his inexperience from only being in the top job six months at that time. "There are always things you learn that you can do better."
The case in this central Louisiana city of 47,000 underscores the perils confidential informants face seeking to "work off" criminal charges in loosely regulated and often secretive arrangements with law enforcement. Police rely on informants in a wide range of cases, compensating them with money or leniency in their own cases yet often providing little or no training. …
David Redemann, a longtime Seattle police officer who now leads training on such stings, said the case highlights the vast disparities in law enforcement's undercover playbook, with many agencies lacking the resources to properly train officers or monitor informant drug buys.
"We do this 10,000 times a day around the country, and not everybody has transmitting equipment," Redemann said. "Is this tragic as hell? Absolutely. We need to learn from what happened here."
Law enforcement's use of confidential informants is akin to a black market in which "deals are made under the table and often undocumented," said Alexandra Natapoff, a Harvard law professor and leading expert on informants.
Not only are informants treated as disposable pawns, she said, but qualified immunity has made it very difficult to sue the police when things go off the rails.
After the assault, the woman left the house and told police what happened. Jones was subsequently charged with second-degree rape and false imprisonment in addition to distribution of meth. Last month, the rape charge was reduced to third-degree rape.
Three weeks later, the woman who served as a confidential informant was charged with possession of drug paraphernalia. "She's been pulled over and booked on possession charges at least twice since then," notes the Associated Press. She "pleaded guilty to possessing drug paraphernalia last year and was placed in behavioral health court in lieu of jail time."
FREE MINDS
The authoritarian convergence. "The problem with American politics isn't polarization—it's rising illiberalism," writes Stephanie Slade in her excellent Reason cover story, now online.
Something is broken in our politics. Just about everyone knows it, but it can be hard to put your finger on what it is.
As the media attempt to grapple with this felt reality, they reach over and over for the same word: polarization. That, we're told, is the shorthand for what has gone wrong. Where once the country had its share of conservative Democrats, liberal Republicans, and mushy moderates, today the two parties are more internally consolidated—and further apart from each other—than ever.
But what if that explanation is missing something? What if there's a sense in which left and right are actually converging, and the nature of that convergence is the real source of the perception that something isn't right?
Read the whole thing here.
FREE MARKETS
Inflation is up, stocks are down. The latest report on inflation shows that prices continued to rise in August, climbing 0.1 percent overall. "Prices have climbed by 8.3 percent over the past 12 months," notes Reason's Eric Boehm. More:
That's down from the 8.5 percent mark in July, but the uptick in August's monthly figure seemingly puts an end to hopes that prices were finally cooling after a year of increases, the likes of which hadn't been seen since the 1970s.
But, wait, how can inflation be rising and yet be down from the tallies announced in both June and July? That's because the annualized rate—the 8.3 percent number—is the sum of the past 12 monthly figures. Prices rose by 0.1 percent in August, but this month's annualized rate drops from last August's monthly rate of 0.3 percent. So the annual figure declined even though inflation rose last month.
In response to the report, stock prices tumbled, giving us the worst Dow Jones Industrial Average slide since June 2020.
Stocks fell sharply on Tuesday after a key August inflation report came in hotter than expected, hurting investor optimism for cooling prices and a less aggressive Fed.
The Dow tumbled 3.94%.
The S&P 500 fell 4.32%.
The Nasdaq plunged 5.16%. https://t.co/XdPVkZIs58 pic.twitter.com/QnrwxYTr8F— CNBC (@CNBC) September 13, 2022
FOLLOWUP
A woman whose DNA was taken as part of a rape investigation and later used to convict her of an unrelated property crime is now suing the city of San Francisco. More here.
"Federal law already prohibits the inclusion of victims' DNA in the national Combined DNA Index System," notes ABC News. But "there is no corresponding law in California to prohibit local law enforcement databases from retaining victims' profiles and searching them years later for entirely different purposes."
"This is government overreach of the highest order, using the most unique and personal thing we have—our genetic code—without our knowledge to try and connect us to crime," Adante Pointer, the woman's lawyer, said in a statement.
QUICK HITS
"After 9/11 libertarians tried to warn us about the Patriot Act and that it would be used against us. They were right and they deserve an apology from conservatives, including me." - Michael Anton, in a talk attacking security agencies, FASFA, and the FBI #NatCon3 pic.twitter.com/sGgINXSIE3
— Tho Bishop (@ThoBishop) September 13, 2022
• "Christian Glass called 911 for help after crashing his car into an embankment in Silver Plume—he needed someone to unstick his car," reports the Denver Post. Within a few hours, he would be shot to death by police.
• A timely review of Legacy of Violence: A History of the British Empire.
• New U.K. prime minister Liz Truss considers scaling back the nanny state.
• Reminder: The world really is getting better.
• Biden's sneaky censors.
• Bipartisanship is just another word for literally the worst ideas:
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Fuck Joe Biden
Fuck Joe Biden
Brandon beat covid.
Brandon beat inflation.
Brandon plans to beat cancer.
Impeach Joe Biden
Maybe use Biden as a paid informer?
Fuck Joe Biden and Fuck this asshole too!
"After 9/11 libertarians tried to warn us about the Patriot Act and that it would be used against us. They were right and they deserve an apology from conservatives, including me." - Michael Anton, in a talk attacking security agencies, FASFA, and the FBI #NatCon3
Aw, Naw!! Hell Naw! Apology not accepted! Enjoy your Fishbowl World! Enjoy your FISA Trials! Enjoy your Gulag! And if I get in, you better wash my laundry damn good, Maytag!
Fuck Off, O'Brien!
A woman in Alexandria, Louisiana, was allegedly raped while serving as a confidential informant for local police officers, who sat oblivious nearby during the attack.
Eggs for the criminal justice omelet?
It is safer for your informants when they are designing the criminal activity.
This quote:
"She was an addict and we just used her as an informant like we've done a million times before."
"Used her" is the key phrase.
Sounds like the police are addicts too, using criminals like they've done "a million times before".
But did they shoot any dogs?
The lesson here is that if we didn't have the war on drugs, she would have been raped without the police being involved.
Someday we'll have legal drugs and legal prostitution and we'll be able to smile upon the woman as she sucks cock for drugs in the sunlight.
Just as The Founders envisioned it.
God put blacklights in strip clubs for a reason.
Like in a marriage?
Go on!...
She wouldn't have been in the place and position to be raped if police hadn't forced her to be there!
Da fuck's the matter with you??? Has the MAGA hat cut the blood circulation to your brain?
Lol. ^ confirms what we all know about your sense of humor.
No, as my patter with Chumby and Utkanos should show, I have a wonderful sense of humor.
It's just that on these comments, with all their double-standards, my-side-right-or-wrong, Whataboutism, and brazen apologetics for absurdity and evil, Poe's observation has turned from Law to Axiom. Without the proper heads-up, what could be a rimshot becomes a dull thud.
Myself, I always follow humor with a smile or a wink, the only emoticons Reason is evidently capable of making. 🙂 😉
Sorry for any misunderstanding of your comment, Diane (Paul). It's just that similar sentiments were seriously said by law enforcers within the memory of people living today (namely me.)
Over 40 years ago, a friend of my Sister's was chased down and shot at on the road in the middle of the night while going home from her restaurant job by Sheriff's Deputies who were plain-clothed in an unmarked car. They didn't even bother to show badges when they stopped and harassed my Sister's friend.
Fortunately, she sued the County in a 14th Amendment civil rights lawsuit and the Sheriff and Deputies were forced out of their positions, but they did try to impune her reputation in the media and make her out to be a druggie hooker who "asked for it."
A personal Two-Degrees-of-Separation from tyrannical, unjust authority, right when my Teenaged Libertarianism was blooming. Again, sorry for any misunderstanding.
"inflation up and stocks down"
Nope. This economy is the best ever. Any reports to the contrary are just the media being unfair to Biden. Reason's leading liberal capitalist told me so.
#DefendBidenAtAllCosts
Authorities … never considered such an attack might happen...
It's not their job to be law enforcement experts.
What about mental health experts?
All those donuts put them in a walking Diabetic coma.
But, wait, how can inflation be rising and yet be down from the tallies announced in both June and July?
Because math is racist.
We should totally use Democracy! instead, and vote on the inflation rate.
Jesus is it really that hard to understand that just because you are increasing prices (slightly) more slowly, they are still increasing?
It is difficult to get a man to believe something if his political career depends on not believing it.
As the media attempt to grapple with this felt reality, they reach over and over for the same word: polarization.
Corporate journalism is both part of the polarization effort and part of the authoritarianism/illiberalism effort.
Win-win!
The workhorse of America.
NYT is working on the 1620 project.
Inflation is up, stocks are down.
WE DID IT, JOE.
Mission Accomplished
Inflation is up, stocks are down
And not a single mention of recession.
I've been informed that a group of old, white men declare a recession. Since that's the case, recessions are racist, and I refuse to take part in it.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/30/economy/recession-economists-nber/index.html
"There is a clear lack of racial diversity amongst the eight members, and NBER has never had a member who has been a racial minority"
I thought that you were joking for a minute, but I should've known better, nowadays.
The acronym NBER scares them away.
WTF? The article has nothing substantial to say about the accuracy of the NBER. It rants about the lack of diversity and viewpoints, and offers up this gobbledegook of a non sequitur:
Not even a hint of speculation about what new frameworks might exist or how they would serve better. The article is just a slam on the people who determine recessions for not including inferior economists to 'achieve' diversity. It really is about recessions being racist. Lenin would be proud.
At last when D’s are in the wheelhouse it is racist and patriarchal
New recession definition requires a gop president to blame.
So next they'll say that we're definitely in a recession, except it started under Trump and the recovery is well underway.
And the chocolate ration will be increased again.
“We’re going to be fine”
J Biden
"We're doomed"
C3PO
"We're throwing our support behind big money Democrats and progressives"
Reason
^ It's a joke at this point but it really is astonishing how consistently Reason goes with big-gov Dem proggies.
It seems like maoists have taken over reason and are wearing it like a skinsuit.
No mean tweets! Whatever the cost.
"Think of what? We're fucked!"—Hudson
"After 9/11 libertarians tried to warn us about the Patriot Act and that it would be used against us. They were right and they deserve an apology from conservatives, including me."
Keep your apology. Repeal it or Fuck Off.
I don't think Mr. Anton holds an elected office.
Who really does?
General statement directed at conservatives.
You'll have to wait until after November for that. Excepting electoral fortification of course.
We'll see. Given the opportunity to do the right thing; I suspect conservatives will do the opposite. Eg. Trump and Republicans reauthorized FISA sect 702; despite all the Deep State rhetoric.
But I'm more cynical each day that passes. Hopefully they prove me wrong.
Until the People realize that we really don't need a political elite we will continue to be well and truly fucked. The elite of both parties will keep the Patriot Act because it protects them. They really don't care what it means to the rest of us.
Well, January 6 makes that apology not quite as pressing.
.. the real source of the perception that something isn't right?
Maybe the fact that we have an mentality ill old man in the White House?
Two in a row, no less.
Very nice!
His statement was literal and is accurate. Yours is not.
More likely the democrat party platform.
That senile old man has done nothing but implement announced policies that people 'voted for'.
"we just used her as an informant like we've done a million times before."
"A million times"?! Sheesh, what the hell is going on in Rapides Parish?
Not much sleep, evidently.
"After 9/11 libertarians tried to warn us about the Patriot Act and that it would be used against us. They were right and they deserve an apology from conservatives, including me."
Never apologize to a 9/10 mentality!
Natural Resource Committee to go after PR firms and other professionals who help out climate deniers like the gas industry.
https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/athena-thorne/2022/09/13/house-dems-target-new-narrative-deniers-for-persecution-n1629115
Does this count as a War On Free Speech And Free Enterprise?
Semi fascist.
I believe it's literally facist
Only if it's done by the Super-Fucking-MAGA's.
It's UltraMAGA dude.
Supercalifragilisticultra-MAGA
Not "war" but "fortification", like with voting. Do you think we can have a democratic nation without more government management?
democratic or Democratic? Seems like the latter to me.
The White House thinks you're an idiot. And this doesn't just mean sarc.
"We are doing a lot more [than former President Donald Trump] to secure the border and could be doing even more if Republicans would stop their obstruction,” she said.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/white-house/biden-doing-more-than-trump-border
To be fair, a wall would be an obstruction.
Fair.
It will be easier for you once the pod-people replace your brain.
pod-people
aka Elon Musk and his neuralink.
I worry more about Zuckerberg. That guy is a for-sure alien.
The DoJ paid a Russian Informant, from Steele Notoriety, from 2017 to 2020 to go after Trump.
So now the two confirmed cases of collusion with Russians is Hillary and the DoJ. And yes the informant has previously been investigated for ties to Russian Intelligence.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/justice/durham-steele-dossier-source-claims-evidence-trial
https://justthenews.com/accountability/russia-and-ukraine-scandals/new-durham-bombshell-fbi-paid-russian-accused-lying
But that's the good kind of subversion, er, sedition, er, Resistance!
""Danchenko was indicted last year on five counts of making false statements to the bureau and has pleaded not guilty."'
Liberals will tell you the Steele dossier was reliable information.
The best that money can buy!
Until this conspiracy comes true, we'll ignore it.
Within a few hours, he would be shot to death by police.
It's not the police's fault the situation didn't escalate on its own in a timely manner. They can't wait forever.
Lisa Gallagher, a Trump voter in New Jersey, has come forward with the claim that the FBI visited her home the morning after Joe Biden’s fascistic speech at Independence Hall in which he declared Trump supporters to be enemies of our democracy.
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Gallagher didn’t work in the Trump White House, nor was she present at the Capitol riot, yet she somehow ended up in the Biden administration’s crosshairs. She told her story to Tucker Carlson on Monday evening.
.
“I was terrified. I’ll be honest with you, when my daughter woke me up telling me there were three armed FBI officers at my door, I thought she was joking,” she told Carlson. “And I immediately tried to throw clothes on. I called my husband. I was crying. My knees were shaking. And even though I knew I had done nothing wrong, after seeing Joe Biden’s speech the night before I thought, ‘Oh my God, this is political.’ And I was frightened. I truly thought they can take me out of here in handcuffs.”
https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/matt-margolis/2022/09/13/fbi-shows-up-on-trump-supporters-doorstep-and-she-wasnt-even-at-the-capitol-on-jan-6-n1629045
Round up the usual suspects.
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/watch-dem-rep-says-we-gotta-kill-maga-extremists
And he is the "moderate" one.
Kill the movement...wink, wink.
Too perfect. Could have happened, but I'm wary of the story without a second source saying it happened or some other evidence.
This isn't the only story like it the last few years. And the FBI only just admitted to raiding 40 trump associates.
Reason even covered a similar story in Alaska.
Oh I fully believe they would do something like this. I'm just also fully aware of how easy it is for someone to ride a wave of public outrage for fame and profit.
Or that the visit was for the stated purpose. It's NJ, she's probably a mobster (/sarc).
In NJ, who isn't?
Yeah I agree it would be nice to have multiple sources for something like this but I got a feeling Tucker's staff is pretty careful to vet these things. They know most of the media would love to run a Tucker Carlson is fake news story.
I'm wary of the story without a second source saying it happened or some other evidence.
You know you will get in trouble for lying to the FBI. Why would you lie about the FBI? If they were not already investigating you, they would start after you go on Carlson and accuse them of it.
I may be sympathetic to the thought that the FBI is the DNC Gestapo these days but I'm going to require some proof before I start credibly believing random people way outside the political orbit are being intimidated by the FBI for little reason. Not a lot of proof, but more than the CBF level accusation and tearful sob story.
J6 is the only reason they need. A neighbor reported her as having attended the j6 protest.
"A neighbor reported her as having attended the j6 protest."
Imagine trying to explain this to someone from 10 years ago.
People used to say the same thing about the death camps.
Look, this isn't the 60s, and she's no Vietnam protesting hippie. So any complaints about being on FBI lists are hollow.
And now she'll find herself on a few more lists for complaining. Better check in advance before booking that airline ticket.
I’m gonna need CNN’s coverage of what happened on Tucker Carlson’s show before I believe it.
New U.K. prime minister Liz Truss considers scaling back the nanny state.
For everyone??? Or just favored communities?
Her 1st order of business was to "cap" electric rates, so I'm a tad skeptical of that take.
She has started to implement energy exploration at least.
Like looking in the kitchen drawer for some AAs?
Looking in the grocery store for some Red Bull.
Like keeping an eye out for a gas station on a road trip?
Like researching the use of wind power to keep the fog in London from blocking Parliament's solar panels?
the british practically invented the nanny state. She's not gonna dial back shit.
Court has to order wisc election officials to not cure ballots in violation of state law.
https://justthenews.com/nation/states/center-square/judge-refuses-allow-wisconsin-ballot-changing-guidance-continue
Yes, we cannot allow ballots where witnesses forgot the zip codes. Clearly that is voter fraud. The judge can follow up by cracking down on people going 26 mph where the limit is 25 mph. Because we have to follow the law to the letter.
Yes you can. Ballots aren't complicated.
What you can't do is violate election rules because you want to.
I love how following the law isn't important, but voting is the most important duty we have. Kind of like Trump is a moron, but also the greatest, most cunning criminal that every lived.
Cognitive dissonance and progressivism go hand in hand.
For Dems the action of voting really is the most important, but the ballots are thoroughly unimportant. They're like toilet paper, worthless, once they're used you can flush them.
But what if people vote for the wrong candidate?
Have the FBI visit their house like above.
Really? It's not that damned hard to put the proper ZIP Code on the ballot. If it is that damned hard, then maybe you shouldn't be entrusted with voting.
People that don't know the zip code they are voting in don't know the zip code they are voting in and therefor it is illegal for them to vote there
""Because we have to follow the law to the letter.""
Except for party affiliates. They can get away with almost anything.
If you disagree with the party, then they will go after you with every letter of the law.
Sure. The only thing that matters is intent.
BTW, that is the justification for all progressive interventions in society, and the excuse for when all those interventions go bad.
How many mistakes are tolerable on a ballot before you decide they aren't admissible?
That's like asking which 20% of the rules of the road it is tolerable for people to not understand and still pass them on a driving test.
I don't know anything about this case, but taking the headline at face value, if those changes are legit and need to be made, they need to change the law.
If you're doing it without approval from the legislature then yes, you are violating election law and it makes your elections look "fraud-ey".
Election officials who keep going around the law and making their own rules because of "feels" is how we got here in the first place.
M4E has reached a new level of stupidity. He can’t even remember his own zip code.
Is the chad dimpled, or hanging? Which is it? WHICH IS IT?
"Yes, we cannot allow ballots where witnesses forgot the zip codes."
What security measure would not be too much of a nothing to worry about? Anything stricter is "YOU ARE TRYING TO DISENFRANCHISE EVERYBODY!" so when something as minor as this is offered, it is "WHAT? YOU'RE GOING TO DISENFRANCHISE SOMEBODY OVER THAT?"
How about you must register months in advance so you have time to correct any errors? And if you do not register months in advance --- say August 1 at latest, then you do not vote. Period.
It is fascinating that Reason considers a state government determining that what is, essentially, a racial essentialist conspiracy theory (CRT influenced pedagogy) does not belong in the government school curriculum is authoritarian. An argument can be made that the legislation against this is ham fisted, but presumably there should be no issue in theory that the state does have that authority.
Your thesis being that government has all the authority and the question remainining is whether that jackboot gets worn by a local, state, or national thug. Got it.
Wut?
Sure thing. The state interfering with the state-run school is definitely jackbooting.
They are government run schools. Presumably the state government has the authority to set the state curriculum standards for the government run schools. Whether the state governments should be running schools is a different argument.
There might be an option where state run schools try to avoid political partisanship.
it's not possible. never has been
Mrs. Horse's Ass says all books should be in (school) libraries.
https://youtu.be/fCbUYBjSXlI?t=281
Let's publish and distribute Ashley Biden's diary or Hunter's laptop in book form.
Dunno if TDS caused this level of idiocy, or perhaps Brandyshit was already this idiotic and TDS is yet one more symptom.
You don't become that stupid overnight, you have to spend your entire life working on it.
I'm always amazed at how much effort these dum-dums put into being wrong.
Brandy, who runs the public schools?
Hint: Not private companies.
The state only has the authority to demand that teachers tell the white kids they are racist. The state is not allowed to demand that students not ne seamonized because of their race
How else are white people going to learn to hate themselves? Besides Hollywood, media, marketing, higher ed, semi-official public protests, and politicians.
“seamonized”
Wait, is this story about CRT or tranny grooming?
It is the drumbeat of "Republicans Pounce".
The bulk of the media has moved on from bias and into full propaganda mode. But much of what remains has moved to bias... Where motivated reasoning comes into play. In this case, CRT definitely did not exist and there is no story... Well, except that bit... But look at what the Republicans are Saying!!!!!!
The answer to all of these excesses by the right is easy. Stop.
Yet reason doesn't even call on the left to stop.
Stop encouraging illegal immigration and raise legal immigration quotas. Easy, and well within their powers. You have to be obtuse to miss the root cause and go for the reaction.
Stop using banks and payment processors to attack political enemies. We had no trouble calling them out over prostitution.... Why so tough to talk about people who.. say stuff?
Stop censoring public speakers on the right. Stop claiming speech is violence. Stop allowing rioters to run free. Stop encouraging petty crime.
Stop politically motivated censoring of the news! Stop censoring dissenting voices in the medical community!
These were easy calls.... Yet even Reason had nothing to say as the CDC ignored years of published research and the social media companies blocked any mention of it.
Not everything is "both sides". They say "it takes two to tango". But it only takes one to start a fight. One person dancing and the other person throwing punches... You don't get a tango, you get a fight.
And the civil liberties community has abandoned their post. The ACLU loudly announced their active partisanship, becoming another historically great champion of liberty to become a partisan attack dog. Obama's election and the post-racial society broke the liberty coalition. Left libertarians little dared criticize such a historic figure. And then Trump.
And now? Reason can't say teaching kids to be racist is wrong.. full stop. No qualifiers, no need to interject republican responses... Just, "this is really bad, and something we have been fighting for 150 years. Please stop doing it!"
If you leave it to Ron DeSantis to fight this movement of corporatist censorship by himself, you are gonna get Lindsey Graham compromise state control over social media companies. So don't be an idiot. Don't leave the field to Ron DeSantis.
On the left, we have Tulsi Gabbard standing up to them. But only on Fox.. so useless. And we have Glenn Greenwald... On substack.... Also useless.
And that is just about it.
Complaining about Republicans pouncing isn't just a trope. It isn't just a part of the problem. It is a major source of the problem.
We gotta start fighting the guys who are setting fires and do a lot less complaining about the methods the firefighters are using. Sure, maybe they are ill-trained and causing some damage, but the arsonists are burning the building down. Get rid of the arsonists and the firemen go home.
Nicely put, but I think you have Reason confused with people who might reject corporate authoritarianism.
And now? Reason can't say teaching kids to be racist is wrong.. full stop. No qualifiers, no need to interject republican responses... Just, "this is really bad, and something we have been fighting for 150 years. Please stop doing it!"
An old article, but this is how it's done.
Well fvcking said
This comment is made in what context? What state? There wasn’t any story about CRT or education in the morning links.
Stop defending it. You sound like a moron.
If you are too dumb to see the connection despite having spent literally tens of thousands of words arguing this exact topic.. just give it up and go be a troll at the local pub instead.
go be a troll at the local pub instead.
Will never happen. White Mike is a coward who knows his arguments only appeal to people's fear. His mentality is that of all activist lefties. Teach CRT to kids in school where they can't escape and to object means failure.
Youre only allowed to discuss approved narratives here?
It is part of the "authoritarian convergence" story as an example of GOP authoritarianism.
Please keep up.
He knows, but he didn't have any other method of attack.
Thanks for answering my question. Even if you were a snot about it.
So, this: "The law that sparked the brouhaha is one of dozens that seek to clamp down on what can be said in classrooms across the country. Introduced in a mad rush to scrub curricula of what conservatives call critical race theory and progressive sexual politics, these legislative efforts are often sloppily written and open to abuse. Nor do all of them stop with state-run K-12 education. Some claim to apply to private schools; others target higher ed. A different Florida law represents such an egregious violation of the rights of professors and college students to discuss controversial topics that the Foundation for Individual Rights and Expression has asked administrators to consider refusing to comply."
You don't find it a bit authoritarian for state legislators to be telling college professors what topics they can teach?
Are states PAYING?
If so...then no.
Colleges are free to forego public funding if they so wish.
It also wasn't wrong for states to determine that colleges could not bar blacks from attending. Nor women. Nor Jews.
Slit your wrists
Reminder: The world really is getting better.
In other news, the people you disagree with are nazis.
We're increasing your chocolate ration from 20mg to 15mg. Enjoy comrades!
Biden's sneaky censors.
I'm beginning to wonder if a certain party's near total capture on journalism and tech might start to at some point become a bit of a situation.
Only when they want it to be one.
There is not a “near capture on journalism”. There are many, many alternative news sources. Commenters here cite them all the time.
You really make your living denying water is wet, don't you?
""There are many, many alternative news sources.""
Not really. There are very few sources and many so called news sources are just regurgitating from other sources.
And there's a constant battle to not have them censored as "misinformation".
Are you seriously denying that there hasn't been a concerted effort to silence anyone too critical of Joe Biden? Are you Hellen Keller?
Embarrassing.
Reason doesn't want to oversell this.
This was a lazier roundup than usual with sub stories being links to reason articles from yesterday.
Hard to blame ENB for linking to such incredible journalism. She's lucky enough to work with the best of the best. It really makes her job easy.
If you prop up slade you are a cunt
Lindsey Graham told us he wants to team up with Elizabeth Warren-
STOP RIGHT THERE
"Time to regulate, Kemosabe."
What’s worse, them teaming up or hooking up?
Who wears the strap-on?
And the Indian princess outfit?
All of you go straight to jail for this comment thread.
It spiraled out of control so fast!
You're welcome.
Shocking moment Colorado deputies shoot and kill man, 22, who called 911 to ask for HELP after crashing his car on a rural road: Driver told cops he had 'smoked' but was not suspected of any crime
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11208675/Family-Colorado-man-shot-police-wants-accountability.html#newcomment
The cops got tired of the guy wasting their time so they shot him. Sadly this isn't unusual in situations like this.
Not that it matters. The guy they murdered is white, so nobody cares. Police misconduct only matters when someone can be accused of racism. Admitting that cops treat white people with the same depraved indifference as black people would mean it's not racism, rather there's something wrong with the entire system.
That's simply not up for discussion. So nothing to see here. Move along.
To Protect and Serve!
I mean, he literally did swing a knife at officers.
While inside a car. Oooooo. So dangerous.
Okay then. You go arrest this guy swinging a knife, big man.
Arrest him? For what? He was trapped inside the car and asking for help. They respond by smashing the window, escalating the situation, and ultimately killing him.
That's some great servin and protectin, Joe.
When you're trapped in a car you start swinging your knife?
You consider someone who is trapped inside their car with a knife to be a deadly threat?
You're an even bigger pussy than I thought.
I consider someone swinging a knife at me to be a threat. Are you truly this stupid?
He's in a stationary position, so he's only a threat if you put yourself within arm's reach. If he was on his feet and mobile I'd be inclined to agree with you. But not in this case.
Police spend a lot of time asking him to step out of the car. He doesn't. He asks the police to drag him out of the car-I watched the video and he says this. When police DO attempt to do that, he's swinging a knife at them.
I'm sorry, nobody should have the responsibility for saving you for the life-ending decisions you make. I wish he hadn't been killed, I don't think he "deserved it" or anything, but I do think this was entirely justified. And you probably think it was too, to some extent, or else you wouldn't be concealing information or actively lying about the circumstances in order to make your point.
The guy who laughed and applauded an unarmed woman killed at the Capitol now thinks swinging a knife at a cop is no big deal.
Full retard activated.
How am I concealing information when I gave the link? Dumbass.
When police DO attempt to do that, he's swinging a knife at them.
And once they take a single step backwards he is no longer a threat. Rather than attempt to deescalate or wait for him to calm down, they killed him for wasting their time.
We know sarc didn't watch the video. Thanks for more information ATM.
The man's actions made no sense. He called the police for help, then refused their help and got violent when they tried to remove him from the car. The wording his family used seem to indicate he was emotionally disturbed in that time. Perhaps he was trying for suicide by cop. I wish the police had found another way of dealing with the situation without killing him, but I think there are some extenuating circumstances about their role in what happened.
I understand he was disturbed, but he told the 911 operator that he had 2 knives. Not 'a' knife, but 2 knives. He asked her if he should toss them out, but he didn't. Later, he offered the cops to toss them out, but he didn't. He kept drawing attention to the knives. The police obliged him by paying attention to the knives.
For someone who stated again and again that Ashli Babbitt was just begging to get executed for going through a window with no weapon and her hands in plain sight, Sarcasmic is being more than a bit hypocritical on this one.
Remember the source, this is the guy that taught his daughter its okay to key a car
I could find some measure of appreciation for Sarc if he were just an actual libertarian-leaning contrarian like a few of the actual contrarians he regularly accuses of being on team Red. But he really is just a passive-aggressive douchebag that craves attention.
Keying a car is the signature seething passive-aggressive move. To teach it to your kid is reprehensible.
Let's take your assertion at face value. He is trapped. How do you get someone out of a car when the doors aren't working? Maybe the window?
Police tried to talk to Glass and get him to step out of the car. They offered him soda, cigarettes and beef jerky, but Glass wouldn’t come out.
That should have been in quotes, from The Denver Post.
He refused a soda? Kill the motherfucker!
What do you think the cigarettes were for?
Lol.
He was not trapped inside the car. There's nothing in the report. You made it up. The video doesn't show a vehicle that is in bad enough shape for him to be trapped, and he never says that he can't move, just that he's terrified to get out.
Likely he was high as a kite and having a paranoid trip.
This.
Ahhh, he was high. That justifies killing him. Great point.
Do you think you're clever when you're trying to put words in people's mouths? It's so fucking transparent.
They didn't decide to shoot him for being a stoner, they shot him when he was swinging a knife around.
This is him admitting he hoped people didn't actually read the story. Now he has to rationalize why his first post wasn't wrong for omitting the primary information.
Swinging a knife around while seating in a fucking car!
Do you think a jury would let you off if someone seated in a car pulled out a knife and you then shot them from a safe distance, without ever being in any real danger?
I doubt it.
Yes, by swinging the knife around he was preventing anyone from helping him, but he wasn't posing a danger to anyone.
So rather than deescalate or wait him out, they killed him for wasting their time.
So youre just going to ignore the fact he was actively swinging a knife at people. Full dumbass. Got it.
So you're just going to ignore the fact that he was seated in a car and only a threat to someone who approached him.
You've already admitted to being wrong about everything below. Yet you persist.
"Ahhh, he was high. That justifies killing him. Great point."
He was likely trespassing, if that makes you feel better.
Why did you leave that out of your first post?
He hoped we wouldn't read about it, probably. It seems worse if it's just someone calmly sitting in their car than someone who had pulled out a knife and was actively swinging it around.
I'm sure he was just being sarcastic and not retarded.
He was inside a car. He was only a threat to someone who intentionally got within range of the knife.
What happened was the cops got tired of dealing with the guy, so they killed him.
Your arguments are getting worse.
You're the one who fears for his life when you see someone in a parking lot swinging a knife out their window.
Cite?
Please keep defending people attacking others with a knife. Makes you look great.
You said the guy was a deadly threat who deserved to be killed.
So obviously when you're walking through the parking lot at Walmart and you see someone sitting in a parked car with a knife you run away like a pussy and call the cops.
Cite?
I said someone swinging a knife at you is a threat.
Keep spiraling dummy.
The comments in the article are pretty disgusting. They're mostly along the lines of "He deserved it for not doing what he was told."
Or attempting to stab the officer from reports. Small details.
See, the thing is, I've always only asked that police be held to the same standards as non-police. Shooting fleeing suspects in the back is not something any member of the public gets away with so police shouldn't get away with it either. Slamming a man's head down into the pavement while two other guys have his body pinned down is attempted murder, even if you're trying to subdue him.
But in the midst of a guy swinging a knife at you, you're justified in using deadly force, and police should be as well. I'm not really up in arms over this one.
But in the midst of a guy swinging a knife at you, you're justified in using deadly force, and police should be as well.
The guy is trapped in a car. Instead of opening fire you could, I dunno, take one step backwards?
The guy is swinging a knife at officers. Stop lying.
He was not trapped inside the car. Stop lying. He refused to get out. Officers don't have an obligation to let a guy stab them, nor does anyone else.
Also, this is an obvious case of DUI. He crashed his vehicle and was high as a kite. Do you think it should be legal to drive while on an intoxicant?
He was not trapped inside the car. Stop lying. He refused to get out.
What's the difference? He wasn't getting out. So he wasn't a threat unless you got really close.
Officers don't have an obligation to let a guy stab them, nor does anyone else.
Nor do they have an obligation to get within reach of someone who isn't going anywhere.
Also, this is an obvious case of DUI. He crashed his vehicle and was high as a kite. Do you think it should be legal to drive while on an intoxicant?
Do you think cops should be able to kill people for wasting their time?
What's the difference? He wasn't getting out.
Then why did you say he was "trapped?" Why did you use that word? Perhaps because it does NOT mean the same thing?
Do you think cops should be able to kill people for wasting their time?
Do you actually want an answer to this question? If so, perhaps you should answer mine. If you don't want an answer to this question, why are you still responding?
Then why did you say he was "trapped?"
Because I misread the article and thought that he was. I'm not perfect like you.
Do you actually want an answer to this question?
Yes. Do you think it's ok for police to kill someone who is wasting their time?
So you spent a dozen posts defending a narrative you couldn't bother to educate yourself on?
Looking great this morning sarc.
He was seated in a car and only a threat to anyone who approached him. According to you the police had no duty to deescalate or wait until the guy calmed down. Summary execution was the only possible choice for the police.
Good to know.
Keep tripling down on your narrative sarc. Looking great for you this morning.
The exact legal term is "setting the example that is begging for unequal yet apposite reprisal force." THEN the cop union guy comes out whining abt cowardly brutality, tear-streaked (or silently thankful) widders 'n orfins. Then again, it is Kleptocracy politicians who call the shots.
Sarcs usual all cops deserve to die thinking led him to lie about a story to try to foment outrage at officers. He gets called out and is now trying to rationalize why he hid the actual facts of the situation. Going as far as to call others pussies for saying it is indeed a threat when someone swings a knife at you.
He is about 2 posts away from declaring himself a victim.
Do you think cops should just let the guy go?
What else are they supposed to do? It looks like an obvious DUI, their responsibility in that situation is to try to discern if the guy is intoxicated or not. They would've willingly just questioned him peacefully had he gotten out of the car, he escalated the situation to violence and he lost.
"wasting their time" is about the most disingenuous way to describe the situation, but you're you so I guess just keep on keepin' on.
Not "trapped in a car", asshole. Refusing to leave a car.
I'm glad you've never misread anything in your life. Must be nice. I wish I was perfect like you.
Do you have anything in your quiver that isn't a strawman?
I think it's fair to ask for better standards from public servants and at least expect the same standards.
Weird summary.
Glass was shot after he became “argumentative and uncooperative” and tried to stab an officer when police broke a car window to grab him.
https://www.wbal.com/article/583100/3/family-of-colorado-man-shot-by-police-wants-accountability
This a a type example for the question "how crazy can you act in public and not get killed?" Discuss.
I will willingly say swinging a knife at someone is past that line.
I think it's possible officers could have handled this differently, so yes, he could have survived acting this crazy. They weren't "obligated" to shoot him. But when a person has like 98 different ways they could have survived and they choose option 99, it's really difficult for me to conjure up tears.
The thing is, I consider DUI a crime of violence, even if this guy didn't hurt anyone. So this isn't a case where I'm comfortable with officers just sitting back and not doing anything, and it seems pretty obvious this is a DUI. He could have stepped out of the vehicle and surrendered peacefully but he was too irrational for that. He doesn't get a free pass, though. And when they attempt to subdue him, he gets aggressive with deadly force, and the NAP is broken. I have no principled objection with how this unfolded. In a world with no police, we'd still have people who deal with car accidents, or individual people would take it upon themselves, and you'd still be stuck with the issue of someone in a car swinging at knife at anyone who gets close.
...you'd still be stuck with the issue of someone in a car swinging at knife at anyone who gets close.
Someone who swings a knife around when you get close is an active, deadly threat requiring the proactive use of deadly force?
Not a big deal.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/08/world/canada/canada-stabbings-saskatchewan.html
Just step away.
Someone who swings a knife around in public whenever they think another person gets too close is not a problem?
To looter totalitarians EVERYTHING is an active deadly threat requiring the initiation of deadly force!
No duty to retreat!
Not even 3 feet.
Police use terrible tactics all the time. We should not be locked into a binary choice. Remember the guy on the sidewalk in St. Louis immediately after Hands Up Don't Shoot? Video showed nutjob walking around sidewalk for a while, harming nobody. Then police surround him, guns drawn (in circle formation, genius!). And then they close in. When he flinches. The close range is justification for killing him. But he didn't close the range. They did. Quickly.
Remember the kid with the screwdriver? Off his meds, so mom called for help with him? She answers the door in her nightgown, not concerned about any danger. Kid comes to door with screwdriver in hand. Police advance aggressively instead of backing off... And when he moves toward them, they kill him.
Bad tactics.
Police are people too. They get locked in on a course of action.
"Get him out of the car" becomes the mission.... Not "Save this guy". So when he reacts badly after the window is broken, forward is the only direction.
Not every bad outcome is do to criminal behavior by the cops. Bad tactics can create bad outcomes.
I don't agree with the "judging from the quiet of your office" people who fail to take reality into account. And I don't agree with the "just comply or you get what you deserve" crowd either.
We have to have a world where mistakes can be made. Police can screw up and not be racist criminals. And citizens can have a bad day and not get killed. One requires changes to our legal system and the way we oversee police. And one requires changes to how police are trained (which might hinge on those first two things happening).
Until we can call out bad tactics, we will not make progress. Tamir Rice didn't die because racist police wanted to kill black children. He died because a cop drove up way too close and put his partner only feet away from a potentially lethal threat, creating that "split second decision" police always talk about. Better tactics, no split second decision.
But no... Race huxtors gonna grift. And statists gonna side with the state. So zero movement.
No duty to retreat!
Not even 3 feet.
Not according to JesseAz and unThinking Mind. The cops were completely justified and the guy deserved what he got for being high and swinging a knife from inside a car. He was a deadly threat to everyone around. They couldn't deescalate or wait him out, nor could they stand a couple steps back in safety. No. Their only option was deadly force.
You pathetic pile of shit, when one or two people mention that you're full of shit, they might be wrong. When the world points out that you're full of shit, you're full of shit.
Fuck off and die, asshole
Jacob Blake was just trying to take his kids to church!
Sarc. Why did you misrepresent the case in your first post?
Sarcasmic fails today's logic problem.
Buen then shot him five times, after which Glass stabbed himself multiple times.
Seriously, did you even read the news story by the Denver Post or just rely on the narrative in the Daily Mail? If the whole thing wasn't a setup for his suicide, why did he stab himself?
That being said, being disturbed and suicidal does not obligate the police to assist you in terminating your life. They are certainly willing to block even major freeways for hours on end to 'investigate' when they feel it necessary. There is never a reason to escalate such a situation because of the length of time involved.
This story is sad and pathetic. It does not surprise me that Sarcasmic takes it personally.
I will ask again, what are the limits for societal responses to insane or dangerous behavior? Do you think every city and town should fund a psycho crisis response team, who can spend hours or days engaged in every incident with infinite tolerance, and magical levels of understanding and peaceful resolution?
At what point are crazy people putting their own lives on the line (and perhaps the lives of others) when they go out in public?
Probably more constructive to focus on the cases like Philandro Castile where someone was shot by police while attempting to comply. Reporting situations like this and Blake in the same voice as they report on Castile makes them guilty of conflating legitimate use of force with an execution by a bad actor under the color of law. It feeds into false narratives.
Kind of like when they eulogized Garrett Foster and are now ignoring that Daniel Perry is still facing murder charges 2 years later for defending himself. Foster pointed a loaded rifle at him while he was trapped in his car during an unpermitted march that was illegally blocking traffic. The police investigation determined that it was self defense, but the Travis County DA charged him anyway. The police investigator even accused the DA of omitting significant facts from the presentation to the Grand Jury. Seems like a libertarian story, but doesn't lend itself to the false narratives of Progressives.
"When San Francisco police used DNA taken from a rape victim in 2016 to accuse her of burglary five years later, they were met with denunciations, local and state legislation to ban the practice, and, on Monday, a lawsuit seeking damages.
“This is government overreach of the highest order, using the most unique and personal thing we have — our genetic code — without our knowledge to try and connect us to crime,” attorney Adante Pointer said in a statement announcing the lawsuit, which was filed in federal court."
Rape victim whose DNA was used to charge her with a crime sues San Francisco
Wasn't that a South Park episode?
"Instead, they left her on her own, waiting for her to come out while the dealer, Antonio D. Jones, allegedly forced her to perform oral sex on him, twice."
So, like politicians and Hollywood producers?
I envy his stamina.
So, this encounter must have lasted at least... what... 45 minutes? Factoring in time for the drug deal, completion of the first act, refractory period, completion of a second drug deal, completion of the second act.
How did Mr. Jones force compliance? was she tied up? internal locks on the doors?
It is probably all recorded.
And if so... Not sure why they would plead anything down.
How did Mr. Jones force compliance?
I assume you are “asking for a friend “.
Oof!
Thats my safe word too!
Or a Hawaii vice cop.
allegedly forced her to perform oral sex on him, twice.
I have questions
'"Federal law already prohibits the inclusion of victims' DNA in the national Combined DNA Index System," notes ABC News.'
What don't you people get about national (global) databases?
What has been the standard set for databases on other inherent personal identity information, like fingerprints?
"The authoritarian convergence. "The problem with American politics isn't polarization—it's rising illiberalism," writes Stephanie Slade in her excellent Reason cover story, now online."
Yep, that darn De Santis, telling people THEY must decide whether to wear a mask or not!
>>Confidential informants are often people who've been arrested for minor crimes and
get put into life-threatening situations so the police don't have to go in themselves.
"She was an addict and we just used her as an informant like we've done a million times before."
Standard operating procedure.
There really are no good cops.
"The only good indian is a dead indian." Theodore Roosevelt, Republican, 1886
Not only don't the cops protect you from rape, but you can't protect yourself from rape and trafficking.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-62898366
To be a devil's advocate, does engaging an underage sex worker allegedly forced into that work deserve a death sentence?
That is a horrific story, but the claim is that her killing him in his sleep could not be justified as self-defense.
Sarc would argue she should have just stepped away.
That seems to be what prosecutors are arguing... There were no barriers to escape.
It seems she has incompetent counsel. Surely any top half of the class lawyer could convince a jury to nullify those charges. 15 year old kid, raped repeatedly. Sex trafficked? Yeah, I would take that case to a jury. No chance they convict if you have human beings on the panel.
Also... I am not sure how dad's in this situation do not end up with a trunk full of dismembered prosecutor parts.
Depending on the history, of course. But some predatory takes my 13 or 14 year old kid for a couple of years like that and a prosecutor comes after her?
Well... I have a hard time imagining being civil about it.
But I guess that assumes real parents in the picture, and not cartoon abuseive and neglectful parents who are not protective of their daughter.
There were no barriers to escape.
When you tell someone repeatedly that you will hunt them down and kill them if they try to escape, that is a barrier. Any competent attorney could argue that. Anyone who watched any crime show since the 80s could argue that.
Maybe the fact that the guy she killed was not the guy that was pimping her out was the problem.
Ironically she'll have to continue "sex working" to pay off the reparation fine.
One thing for sure, Benjamin Crump isn't getting involved.
As the cops have no duty to protect, is there supposed to be some point to this story?
Winston, the Party says you did not see "protect and serve" stenciled onto those cop cars...
Inflation is up and the stock markets down… let me guess: and you’ll only get mugged if you go downtown??
A country boy can survive.
True enough, though I "don't give a damn" about the "saying grace" part. 🙂
Really? No way! I never would have guessed that!
Being an informant is not a lifetime "get out of jail free" card you idiot. She was charged with subsequent, unrelated acts. If you must lie or actively decieve to make a point your point is not worth making.
If you must lie or actively decieve to make a point your point is not worth making.
You clearly don't subscribe to the NYT or WaPo.
Another free markets story that Reason seems to have missed:
Wissenschaft! über alles!
You have to wonder about a school system that turns out a woman unschooled enough to agree to turn snitch and spy for Lousyanna police... Let this be a warning to any females there who have not yet fled north across state lines.