Trump Reportedly Retained Hundreds of Documents That Were Marked As Classified
We still know almost nothing about their contents, which is relevant in assessing the decision to search Mar-a-Lago.

This week a reporter asked Attorney General Merrick Garland why the FBI decided it was necessary to search former President Donald Trump's residence at Mar-a-Lago, his Palm Beach resort. "I could tell you why," Garland replied, "but then I'd have to kill you."
Although that exchange is entirely imaginary, it encapsulates the puzzle that Americans face as they try to assess the justification for the unprecedented and politically explosive decision to search the home of a former president who is the leading contender to oppose the current president in the next election. That justification, which was based largely on a threat to national security that supposedly required immediate and drastic action, depends on the contents of purloined government documents that we are not allowed to see. While we still know almost nothing about that, we now have a better idea of how many documents in Trump's trove were marked as classified.
According to a recently released May 10 letter from the National Archives and Records Administration (NARA) to Trump lawyer Evan Corcoran, the 15 boxes that the former president relinquished to NARA in January included "over 100 documents with classification markings, comprising more than 700 pages." Some of those markings indicated "the highest levels of classification, including Special Access Program (SAP) materials." That discovery prompted the Justice Department to "investigate whether those records were handled in an unlawful manner" and to "conduct an assessment of the potential damage resulting from the apparent manner in which these materials were stored and transported."
In June, The New York Times reports, "aides to Mr. Trump turned over a few dozen additional sensitive documents" in response to a federal subpoena. After that transaction, the Times says, Corcoran "drafted a statement" that was signed by another Trump lawyer, Christina Bobb, saying that "to the best of her knowledge, all classified material that was there had been returned."
According to the FBI's inventory, the August 8 Mar-a-Lago search turned up 11 more sets of classified material with markings ranging from "confidential" to "top secret/SCI" (i.e., "sensitive compartmented information"). The Times says they included "scores of additional documents," which the FBI found in a basement storage room secured by a padlock and in "a container in a closet in Mr. Trump's office."
All told, according to "people briefed on the matter," the government "has recovered more than 300 documents with classified markings from Mr. Trump since he left office." On the face of it, that is a pretty large volume of sensitive material, although we still don't know, even in general terms, why it was classified.
Trump insists that the documents, despite their markings, were no longer classified, because he had "a standing order" as president that automatically declassified anything he happened to remove from the Oval Office. But even if we accept that dubious claim, it does not preclude criminal charges based on the three statutes that the FBI cited in its search warrant.
Assuming that Trump declassified all the documents at Mar-a-Lago when he still had the authority to do so, that would not matter under 18 USC 2071, which makes it a felony, punishable by up to three years in prison, to conceal, remove, or destroy a U.S. government document. To obtain a conviction, the prosecution has to prove the defendant did that "willfully."
18 USC 793, the Espionage Act provision that was cited in the warrant, likewise does not mention classification, instead referring to "defense information." Under that law, someone who "willfully retains" defense information that he "has reason to believe could be used to the injury of the United States or to the advantage of any foreign nation" is guilty of a felony punishable by up to 10 years in prison. According to a search warrant cover sheet that was unsealed last week, the FBI is investigating "willful retention of national defense information."
The FBI also mentioned 18 USC 1519, which makes it a felony, punishable by up to 20 years in prison, to conceal "any record, document, or tangible object" with the intent to "impede, obstruct, or influence" a federal investigation. Again, that charge does not hinge on whether the records were classified.
The statement from Bobb that the Times describes could support an inference of willfulness or an intent to obstruct. So could the months of protracted negotiations that the NARA letter mentions.
"As you are no doubt aware," the letter says, "NARA had ongoing communications with the former President's representatives throughout 2021 about what appeared to be missing Presidential records." According to the Times, those missing records included "Mr. Trump's original letters from the North Korean dictator Kim Jong-un" and "the note that President Barack Obama had left Mr. Trump before he left office." They also included Trump's pardon for Roger Stone, which the FBI found at Mar-a-Lago during this month's search.
Trump evidently viewed such items as personal mementos. But under the Presidential Records Act, they belonged in the National Archives. That law, enacted in 1978, says "the United States shall reserve and retain complete ownership, possession, and control of Presidential records."
The fact that Trump did not return any records until a year after he left office and even then retained many more, including material marked as classified, could be viewed as evidence that he or his underlings willfully broke the law. But it also could be ascribed to laziness, carelessness, honest mistakes, or a misunderstanding of what the law required.
The same pattern of behavior likewise is consistent with the suspicion that Trump or his representatives deliberately obstructed a federal investigation, but it falls far short of conclusive proof. If a redacted version of the search warrant affidavit is ultimately released, it could clarify the history of communications between the government and Trump's people, which might shed light on his apparent recalcitrance and therefore the justification for the search.
After the search, George Washington University law professor Jonathan Turley noted the challenges that prosecutors would face if they decided to pursue charges under the statutes cited by the FBI. "These crimes…require intentional acts," Turley wrote in The Hill. "With Trump lawyers negotiating the status of the documents and previously turning over some material under subpoena, there is a plausible defense based on Trump's belief that the material was no longer classified and that his team was cooperating with officials in trying to resolve any disputes. If Trump believed the material was declassified and relied on legal advice to resolve any disagreements, then prosecutors would combine an unprecedented legal case with a heavily contested factual record."
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Damn sarc, you are one sad fuck.
That's not what your mom said.
That was your daughter.
Right on cue someone accuses me of pedophilia, while the rest of the trolls get all giddy.
Poor sarc
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Saying you are a sad fuck doesn't mean they are sleeping with you retard.
The fact that it bothers you so much that you bring it up in literally every comment section you post in is kind of a red flag. Maybe next time you're drunk posting you'll refrain from letting it slip that your "cunt" ex-wife got your kids after credibly accusing you of child molestation.
Hi Tulpa.
Great comeback.
Lol.
Fuck off, Sqrlsy.
Say a bunch of disgusting things that JesseAz agrees with by virtue of his lack of condemnation. Make him proud!
Hey sarcasmic, do you know what day it is?
Of course not.
It’s National Cuban sandwich day!
Haha! It’s funny cuz the dumbass never heard of a Cuban sandwich!
They don't even have Cubans in Maine!
Right on cue someone accuses me of pedophilia, while the rest of the trolls get all giddy.
It's revealing sarc gets this response only after he taunts others, yet somehow is offended others treat him like he treats them. Sometimes it seems he has standards only for other people, never for himself or his allies.
No he accused you of incest as we don't know the age of your daughter. Though since you immediately went to pedophile, well you "doth protest to much, methinks."
Everyone but you says it.
wahhhh
I would hate myself too if the apex of my life was getting a 2nd level IT job. We get that your life is pathetic. Why don't you live up to your promise and go back to glibertarians.
This is the example you set for your children. "I'm going to build myself up by saying mean things about a stranger online!"
So sad. So very sad.
It's amazing how you went from accusing Trump of having a victim complex to breaking down into literal hysterics and sobbing about how you're perpetually persecuted by Mean Girls in less than an hour.
It's a good thing your kids got taken away from you, I'm sure they got it harder and faster than ever on days like this when you're in a manic phase.
Poor pitiful sarcasm.
Reasons resident martyr.
Poor JesseAz's children, having him as a role model.
My kids don't key cars and are in the top 10% of the top charter schools in the state. Think my parenting has been more successful than yours has.
And my penis is ten inches. Flaccid.
Whiskey dick's a bitch, eh diddler?
My children aren't on the website retard.
The last time a Democrat did it they got excused as 'not having criminal intent'.
Let's not forget Sandy Berger who got away with stuffing classified documents down his pants.
FALSE EQUIVALENCE
Sarc’s not smart enough to understand the difference between unequal treatment under the law and whataboutism.
R Mac's latest turd of wisdom "Nanny nanny nyah nyah!"
Put it next to his other great turds like "Stop hitting yourself!" and "Stop touching me!"
^^^
Ideas!
You had one? Call Guinness!
I think even they would be impressed by your alcoholism.
Nah. Nothing special about someone overcoming problems and having a good life.
Who is this person?
Maybe you should follow their example.
Remember how we used to mercilessly mock that retarded shit stain Dunphy for posting about his weightlifting world records and how his wife looked like Farfah Fawcett? It was hilariously funny because it demonstrated what an insecure little bitch he was. At least his fantasies were kinda fun. The wildest shit your fevered alcohol-lubricated imagination can dream up is renting a $200,000 AirBNB for a weekend with half a dozen other dudes and getting a job as an entry web developer who had to ask the fellas over at glibertarians how to use basic HTML tags like bold and italics.
I guarantee you when you sober up tomorrow you'll be telling us that you wuz hacked yet again.
Hi Tulpa.
That wasn't disgusting enough to impress JesseAz.
Try harder.
I agree. Nothing in sarcs life is interesting.
He's a drunken piece-of-shit troll. The second he has a bottle in him he reverts to the his natural form.
Hi Sqrsly!
It's hilarious that after this many years you're so fucking autistic you can't pick up on the rhetorical and linguistic tics that give away a sock.
See?
Cry more.
You’ve gotten even lazier.
Pathetic.
so sad
Lol
Aren't you going to accuse me of sexual deviancy while your buddies cheer you on? It's like being in seventh grade all over again. You fit in so well with the other trolls here. Same maturity level.
Says sarc after posting this:
August.23.2022 at 5:41 pm
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R Mac's latest turd of wisdom "Nanny nanny nyah nyah!"
Put it next to his other great turds like "Stop hitting yourself!" and "Stop touching me!"
There's cluelessness if I've ever seen it.
After these gems this am:
sarcasmic
August.23.2022 at 10:21 am
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When you stroke JesseAz, are you reaching under your leg or under his?
sarcasmic
August.23.2022 at 12:21 pm
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Wow dude. This is what it takes for you to feel like a man? Saying catty shit to strangers online sixteen hours a day, seven days a week. And you call me a loser. Wow.
So without a clue. You're only making yourself look like an ass. Keep it up.
Well, the first step is recognizing you have a problem. If you could do the same with your alcoholism, drug addiction, homelessness, welfare dependency, and child molesting you'd be well on your way to getting out of the rescue mission before your 60th birthday.
You're making them hard. Keep it up and they'll have protein stains to answer to!
Again sarc turns to a sexual reference. God man. Pay for a hooker already.
Why would I cry over your stupidity?
I said you're crying over how unfairly unfair Trump has been treated. So unfair. Your eyes are so clogged with tears you can't even see straight.
I bet you dream about Trump…
What does he do to you?
your mascara is running
Considering you entered the thread blubbering about Donald Trump for, let's see now... the 6th consecutive year in a row, and have since then spent 38 posts and counting crying about how you're persecuted by online commenters at a site with about 25 unique daily visitors, that's pretty rich even for you. Seriously you drunken slob, go sleep it off for fuck's sake.
This is the part where you say disgusting things about me and my family to the delight of the Canadian and the dipshit from the desert.
You're slacking.
38 posts and counting crying about how you're persecuted by online commenters at a site with about 25 unique daily visitors
Am I a unique visitor? Damn, I hope I am a unique visitor. Now I am questioning everything.
What if we are all just sarcasmic's sockpuppets engaged in an endless cycle of crapping out toxically stupid shitposts and then ridiculing myself in a feverish storm of self loathing because my family hates me?
Actually, considering his status as a gaslighting diva, it wouldn't surprise me. I mean him.
Lol. He definitely craves the attention. But he can always fall back to his sqrsly sock.
LMFAO.
"This is the part where you say disgusting things about me and my family"
You say disgusting things about yourself and your family. Everyone is just repeating your drunken confessions.
Sarc's like the people mad at Libs if TikTok for reposting their own rants.
Am I a unique visitor? Damn, I hope I am a unique visitor.
By Tulpas definition yes. Though the circlejerk you perform with the boys is not.
Get a load of Rain Man here! What else are you counting? The number of times I called you a cunt?
I'm not certain you've ever called me a cunt, sarcasmic. I've heard you call your ex-wife a cunt about 283 times so far though. It's bizarre that she got custody of the kids with you being such a responsible and mature adult. Be honest, did you ever pull the knife just a little closer to your daughter's throat and make her say "Mommy's a cunt" when you were about to finish?
Poor sarc. Destroyed by Chuck P. and too stupid to realize it.
The flailing is always entertaining though.
My comment was specifically about your stupidity, and you continue to prove me right.
Translation: "Nyu nyu you're supposed to take me seriously now nyu nyu"
Hey, that sounds just like you!
Who are you translating for? Dee has me muted. Everyone else can read my posts clearly.
Equal treatment under the law would mean "Hey, my guy should pay for what he did and the other team should pay for what they did."
That's a far cry from your "The other team did it first! Not fair! Why are we getting in trouble! Not fair! We should get off scot free! Waaahh! So not fair!"
Seriously. are you ok?
You're the one reduced to calling people child molesters because it's the only way to impress your friends and win arguments.
Nobody claimed anyone slept with anyone else on this thread. You did in the roundup. Does your creepy pathetic mind think of anything except sex?
You're really impressing your troll harem today.
You've never impressed anybody except your fake coworkers who you supposedly call over to revel in the amazing things you post as the most intelligent person they know.
You understand how pathetic you come across right? Or did you just completely give in to your self delusions?
I never said anything about coworkers. You're making stuff up again, as usual.
Go back to the corner and keep crying about Trump being treated unfairly.
Lol. And more lies from the pathological liar.
You once told everyone here how you would have coworkers read threads of people calling you dumb and they would laugh. It was such a hilarious lie at the time.
Man. Never change. Live in your world of lies and delusion.
Being that I'm not a liar and no coworkers of mine read this, I can say with 100 percent certainty that I never mentioned coworkers.
You're making shit up.
As usual.
I won't recall if he specifically said it was his coworkers or not, but he absolutely did say that he likes to show all of the "Mean Girls" posts to people who then praise him for his staggering intellect.
It was nearly as embarrassing as the half dozen times he's tried to ask Tulpa on a date or the time he forgot it's not 1996 anymore and thought it would impress people that he had to get half a dozen homies to help him pay for the weekend rental of a $200,000 beach house.
No no, it was A HALF MILLION DOLLARS beach house.
It was in regards to his coworkers. Every laughed at the post.
Catty girls say meow. Say meow, girls. C'mon. Turn each other on.
Wouldn't it be rad if the rescue mission got a 2nd TV so you could be watching Mean Girls on one screen and Jon Stewart on the other?
Yeah. And that's not happening. So fuck it.
No, equal treatment under the law would mean... actually treating people equally under the law. It's not a rhetorical device, it's a matter of fact. And it's particularly egregious since Trump has not committed any crimes and is being persecuted with the process, while his political adversaries who actually did commit crimes skated without any punishment. What you're suggesting is that the right should be held to a different legal and moral standard than the left. Because you're a leftist piece of shit with no principles. You're also an alcoholic and lost custody of your kids because you're a child molester. Now cry for me some more baby bitch, your salty ham tears are ambrosia.
The FBI prosecutes Espionage Act cases every day. Trump very likely committed crimes, and big ones.
They sent the department that handles the export of classified technologies.
If he was a Democrat you'd be calling for his execution.
If he were a democrat he wouldn’t be charged.
No, they don't. In fact, Espionage Act prosecutions are so rare that when your chocolate messiah started using them to silence journalists, he used it more than all previous administrations combined since 1917.
Leaving aside that the Espionage Act is as unconstitutional now as it was when your chocolate messiah used it against Snowden and Assange. Which isn't particularly relevant since, unlike the secretary of state, the president has original and unlimited authority to classify and declassify documents. If I was the type to call for Democratic presidents to be executed for keeping their declassified papers after they leave office you'd have heard me calling for the execution of Barack Obama and Bill Clinton, who did exactly the same thing. If I was the type to call for any Democrat to be executed for violating the unconstitutional Espionage Act, you'd have heard me calling for the execution of Sandy Berger who was caught red handed pilfering documents and stuffing them down his drawers. But you didn't hear me do that. Because I'm not a piece of shit unprincipled faggot or a legally illiterate fucking retard like you.
Face it, bro, your orange messiah broke the law and he will have to answer for it. He can't slip out of the cuffs this time.
I know Mikey! After 6 and a half years, this is really it! The walls are really closing in! It's Mueller Time!
The FBI doesn’t prosecute anything, imbecile.
Have you never watched a single Law and Order opening?
Is Sam Waterston involved in this?
"Hey, my guy should pay for what he did and the other team should pay for what they did,” is an especially weak argument to those of us who aren’t on Team Blue or Red.
Lol.
So because you’re above it all, you’re ok with unequal justice?
No Democrat or any other human being has ever done this.
Sandy Berger says hi.
It's like Tony can't remember anything before the current news cycle.
That's true. Democrats have actually committed crimes in the process of stealing and maintaining government records, whereas Trump hasn't. Good point of comparison, Tony. Thanks! By the way, did you see that your healing shaman who gleefully spent a decade consigning faggots like you to certain death from AIDS by steadfastly refusing to allow them to use effective treatments and propagating sick myths about HIV being an airborne pathogen is retiring?
The last time Hillary did this she didn't have declassification authority.
Unlike President Trump. Who declassified the documents in question.
If Trump had a standing order to declassify all these documents we’d have some record of that by now, would we not?
Doesn't require a written record. Navy vs Egan 1988.
Not applicable.
Brilliant legal analysis, Mikey. Why'd you switch from your Canis sock though?
Hillary turned over shit and submitted to testimony and did plead the 5th for 3 hours straight lol. Y'all MAGAs got nothing. Trump broke the law and to quote a famous lawyer "stop breaking the law asshole!" Trump won't be able to win in 2024 from behind prison bars.
Hillary deleted tens of thousands of emails and then used bleachbit to try to cover her tracks. Over 200 of those emails were reconstructed, some from the Tony Wiener laptop, and contained classified materials. Unlike the president, the secretary of state does not have the ability to reclassify or declassify documents. She broke the law. She paid no penalty. Trump has not broken the law, and he won't. You are dumber than a sack of day old dog shit, Mikey, and returning to a thread with your sock to try to corpsefuck it after everyone has left just like you always do is one of the most pathetic of your many pathetic habits. You have no value as a human being and you should kill yourself.
Berger was convicted.
And sentenced to... a fine.
libertarians for witchhunts against our political opponents
Not being a member of a political party is freeing. You don't take it personally when the Dear Leader of your team is picked on.
You’ve probably never even been invited to a party.
so sad
Aren’t you though?
You done crying about how unfair His Worship Dear Leader has been treated?
Alcohol poisoning again?
cry more
There are programs you know.
poor trump, treated so unequally, so sad
Sterno poisoning.
You constantly try defend the left dummy. Everyone here sees it. Who the fuck do you think you are fooling?
While you fully endorse accusations of child molestation to win an online arguments.
You're disgusting.
The only one talking about fucking anybody here today has been you dumbass. Are you trying to admit to something?
Poor sarcasmic.
The whole world is after you.
cry more about trump. let it out. so unfair. it's just so unfair.
You are literally the only person talking about him.
Just me, the headline, and the symphony of "Waaaah! So not fair!" in your TDS addled cranium.
You literally started this thread, whining
like a bitch.
You should switch to your Sqrsly sock and post your Dear Abby copypasta 45 times.
Sock puppet accusations are the pinnacle of brilliant debate.
Says noted philosopher white knight. Lol.
Sock puppet accusations are the pinnacle of brilliant debate.
Oh yeah? Well I bet you're running ten handles right now! Including mine!
You literally admitted to socking, as if all of us weren't aware that you were operating the White Mike handle during Trump's entire presidency.
Speaking of which, you haven't coined any hilarious new acronyms lately. What gives? Hilarious acronyms are the actual pinnacle of brilliant debate.
Mike Liarson became upset because “Tulpa” would steal Sarah Palin’s Buttplug (yes, the SBP that was banned for posting kiddie porn, that’s who Dee made her stand for), and so she went on a rage, where she stole a bunch of random, uninvolved people’s handles to teach “Tulpa” a lesson.
Including mine. That’s right, the paragon of commentariat honor figured out how “Tulpa” created sock puppets using other posters names, and to teach him a lesson, created a sock puppet with my name and made comments that would be indistinguishable from my own posts. And made posts under my name that were clearly meant to defame me.
Now, here she is, making a moral statement about sockpuppets.
Dee is not a good person.
Well sullum too. He has almost as bad a case of TDS.
Nobody is shocked sarc is fine with the power of government going after someone he despises.
Sullum at least pretends to be a libertarian. Just not in regards to trump.
cry more
He said, between sobs.
He said, between sobs.
"Sullum at least pretends to be a libertarian."
*hick*
*quick gasp of air*
"Just not in regards to trump."
*trumpet on handkerchief*
Yeah, sounds about right.
It's rather comical sarcasmic thinks normal people hiccup when they cry. That's from the booze, alkie. Normal people don't do that.
No one points out that you lost custody of your kids because your "cunt wife" (your words) had the audacity to ask that you stop molesting her children and got a court to enforce that order to win arguments against you, it's just fun to wind you up and set off your persecution complex, especially when you're already whining like a pathetic faggot.
I dont get why he shares personal details of his pathetic life and then starts trolling as if it won't come back at him. It his victim complex along with his cries for sympathy while being a pathetic piece of shit human being. He blames everyone else for his own choices.
And you know these details of sarc’s divorce exactly how? Oh, right, you made them up.
Sarc has freely shared them while drunk on the site moron.
I once shared something. A long time ago.
That means they get to make up whatever they want to make up, claim it is what I shared, then call me a liar if I disagree.
The usual.
Because he has posted thousands and thousands of words describing the ordeal in intimate detail while he is inebriated. Same way I know he is an alcoholic, a drug addict, was homeless until he got on section 8 housing, collects welfare, and once worked as a fry cook where he proudly spat in people's food.
Naturally he claims he was hacked when some of those things were posted. Probably forgetting that he's posted the same thing dozens of times. But his wife being a "cunt" who got full custody of the kids, him being homeless, him being a drug addict, and him spitting in customers' food when he worked as a fry cook who never heard of a Cuban sandwich is all undisputed even by your client himself, counselor. Your witness.
Stop fucking children then?
And yet here you are histrionically screeching BUT TRUMP!!!!!!!! quite literally every time a Democrat is accused of wrongdoing. It's hard to imagine just how diseased ones mind must be to not recognize an own goal of this magnitude. Holy shit bro. Seriously. Brew some coffee, take 4 Advil, and try this again tomorrow when you wake up at 3 in the afternoon.
Surely you could provide a link to an example of just one of these BUT TRUMP comments.
Caw caw!
Translation: "Take me seriously now! I've got something important to say! Why isn't anyone paying attention to me?"
So, literally the exact same thing you say 12-16 hours per day in 8-9 different comment threads, and then pull the I was only pretending card when someone actually takes you seriously?
Nope. Not the translation at all. Not even remotely what that means.
Damn sarc, if you’re going to try this schtick, spend a sober minute figuring out what people are saying. You’re coming across the same as the racist Akbar character.
Maybe you are the racist akbar character?
Me: Caw caw!
Drunk ass sarc: You’re trying to get people to take you seriously!
Pretty sure that one's shreek. It has all the hallmarks of his sad attempts at humor. sarc runs the KAR sock though. Or whatever he changed it to recently. He got owned by the one Mormon guy on here so much that he created a weirdly fetishistic Mormon thirsting sock. That'll show him!
Surely even an illiterate cockmongler like you can read the first fucking post in this thread?
I have a bunch of documents marked as classified. I have one of those stamps you can buy at Staples.
Stamps mean jack shit.
With analysis like that, you sound ready to join Trump's legal team.
He could head the FBI.
He’s qualified to run the FBI crime lab.
Give him Brian Stelter's show.
"We still know almost nothing about their contents"
And we don't need to. This is already the biggest scandal in world history.
#WallsClosingIn
#LizCheney2024
how many unhatched chickens do *you* have?
The type bought by the dozen at a grocer.
So I am having trouble keeping up. Are we back to giving the FBI the benifit of the doubt?
Of course not.
Because the FBI planted the documents.
And even if they didn't, Trump declassified them.
And even if he didn't, they were privileged.
And even if they weren't, he didn't mean to keep them.
And even if he did, he couldn't have known that it was illegal to keep them.
And even if he did, it's a witch hunt, because reasons.
It's an interesting Bayesian problem.
A lies 50% of the time.
B lies 95% of the time.
A fair coin is tossed. A says it came down heads, B says it came down tails. What is the probability it came down heads?
Can you tell us where you got your population sampling from shrike?
I'm still not shrike, peasant.
And it was a maths problem. I didn't have to get the percentages from anywhere.
Shouldn't you call him chap or bruv instead of using one of your shreek/buttplug insults, or did you decide that the Britishisms you started using in a panic-stricken attempt to deflect from using all of your shreek copypasta on this account wasn't worth the effort?
Peasant will do, and I have consistently used Briticisms (sic) because I'm British.
Now fuck off, peasant.
It’s ironic that a disarmed, locked down, prime-ministerally broken, defeated Brit would call an American (big winner) a peasant, peasant.
Well, it would be if shreek was actually British instead of a child molester from Dog Dick Georgia.
Shrike may well be. I'm a Briton, though a naturalised American.
Sure you are. Whatever you say.
You know what you are, S-R-G? Some Random GIT is what you are!
You're an intelligence analyst and a special forces operator on some of your other retired socks. I guess you were due for a turn as a sub-literate wankstain.
You might not be turd, but you're giving him run for being an ignorant pile of lefty shit, asshole.
Bayesian statistics requires proper population sampling. Not random numbers pulled from ones ass.
And you can adjust for risk tolerance in Bayesian analysis.
But Bayesian reasoning does not require population sampling. Duh. You can work with hypothetical probabilities, or, in the case of the Monty Hall problem, with evident probabilities, with no sampling required in either case.
You can also count how many angels fit on the head of a pin if you look really really closely.
You are not smart and should leave math to people who know something about it and are able to make money with it.
Mentioning the monty hall problem to pretend you know something about math is like saying “I know classical music because I listened to Beethovens 9th symphony”. But carry on, git.
Fuck off, peasant. I do indeed know something about maths (and classical music fwiw).
But you lot on the other hand keep screeching that I am a sock or have other socks, thus showing either you're moronic cunts, lying cunts, or worthless cunts. Or some grisly combination thereof.
This is going to be great.
Mentally bookmarking here, and will check back after dinner and few cocktails.
You understand that the FBI has already got caught planting evidence against trump and the people that work with him right?
.2375. It’s a one liner.
It will be interesting to see what the DOJ comes back with on Thursday.
Recommendations that only a few critical items need to be redacted.
Such that each page looks like a photograph of a blackboard.
(do schools still have those, or are they racist too?)
They use white boards a lot now.
Though those are probably racist, too. Taking jobs from blacks or some shit like that. I dunno. Everything's racist. Racism is progressive Original Sin.
Turley wrote in The Hill. "With Trump lawyers negotiating the status of the documents and previously turning over some material under subpoena, there is a plausible defense based on Trump's belief that the material was no longer classified and that his team was cooperating with officials in trying to resolve any disputes. If Trump believed the material was declassified and relied on legal advice to resolve any disagreements, then prosecutors would combine an unprecedented legal case with a heavily contested factual record."
So basically, there's no "there" there, and this is a deep sea fishing expedition by Biden and his DOJ.
TDS much, Sullum?
Trump has documents he's not supposed to have and that his lawyer has formally denied that he has. Is the DoJ supposed nonetheless not to try and get the docs just in case they don't contain anything actively incriminating?
There is no evidence to support this assertion, shreek.
And your protests would ring a little less hollow if the last 4 presidents hadn't gone through this exact same process with the national archives without having their private residences raided by a hundred FBI agents who disabled all security and surveillance.
As President, there was nothing he was not cleared to have.
As President, he could change classifications at will.
The archive idiots had seen the storage facilities and not raised objection to their security.
And if there really is an actual crime under investigation, why wasn't the warrant restricted to evidence of that crime, instead of every single piece of paper Trump ever created/saw during all four years?
Will has to be exercised. Surely there is some record of his exercise of will, since it like totally happened, right?
Asking a stupid question over and over doesn't make it a smart question. No record is required for a president. Both Bush and Obama signed EOs exempting the president from the process.
And according to the National Archive, handed them over.
It is a fact that Trump's own lawyer signed a letter saying that all documents had been handed over, and it is also a fact that this is untrue.
And fuck off, peasant.
The defeated Brit, the vanquished, the irrelevant, the one whose dictionary and language certificates nobody cares about, calls the American winner a peasant?
You're still a peasant.
Sure, Some Randmon Git (SRG), a defeated, non-american, underperforming, low iq individual who thinks the above is an “interesting bayesian problem” calls me a peasant and thinks he has any credibility.
It is convenient to pretend that you are “naturalised” (please consider correcting your spelling error in the future, it is naturalized).
“Naturalised” huh? So tell me, if someone whose arguments are faulty and dishonest 95% of the time claims to be “naturalised” (in spastic spelling), what’s the chance they are? Isnt that an “interesting bayesian problem” for the spelling disabled, intellectually downscaled peasant? 😀
Lol randmon is also nice
Fuck off, peasant. "Naturalised" is perfectly correct spelling, and is how a majority of the world's English speakers/writers would spell it.
"Trump has documents he's not supposed to have..."
You're full of shit. Fuck off and die, steaming pile of lefty shit.
"Trump has documents he's not supposed to have"
Hardly, I'll bet you good money right now that they're the Crossfire Hurricane documents that Trump declassified on December 30, 2020, and the courts have ordered published, but the DOJ has refused to release because they incontrovertibly show FBI criminality.
They were once "classified" up the ying-yang but the DOJ is now in violation of court orders and the FBI would do anything to keep out of the public record.
OK, let's have a $1,000 wager. Easy enough. Set up a gmail account which we can use to communicate, contact a lawyer who'll set up an escrow account into which funds can be sent. and when the documents are revealed, the lawyer pays whichever one of us is right.
Same process can be used to show I'm not shrike, btw. How does $5,000 strike you? Or perhaps $10,000? Or will you be a chickenshit?
Might as well make it 10 million, shreek, you're just going to welch it like you famously did years ago.
Fuck off, peasant. I'm not shrike. Also, you will note that the use of escrow avoids the welch.
ESCROW, oh god the desperation to be someone they are not, LOL, it is so delicious
Go fuck some more little boys you pedophile piece of shit.
There will be no escrow because you are a little faggot bitch who will pussy out as soon as anyone calls your bluff, just like you did the last time.
“ OK, let's have a $1,000 wager. Easy enough. Set up a gmail account which we can use to communicate, contact a lawyer who'll set up an escrow account into which funds can be sent. and when the documents are revealed, the lawyer pays whichever one of us is right.”
LMAAAAAO, oh god how desperate can a person be to prove something on the internet for their own pathetic, broken ego and then expect others to believe anything they say? 😀 yeah, sure, SomeRandomGit, you’re absolutely a big deal, and not some desperate, politically irrelevant keyboard creep, we totally believe it, LMAO 😀 😀 😀
Fuck off, peasants.
But ok, you're so insistent I'm shrike, why don't you devise a way it can be shown one way or another, and a way in which money can be won on a wager without.
And you lot seem so fucking desperate to claim that I am shrike. Every time I post, one of you fascist cunts feels the need to respond and say I'm shrike. That's 6 or 7 of you now, all of whom seem to need to repeat it. On a fucking internet forum.
Exactly none of it was declassified. If I broke the law I'd have to pay for it, this time he's not fooling with yokels that he can pay off and tire out with deny, distract, delay Cohn tactics. Now he has to face professionals from the Department of Justice, lol. His goose is cooked.
There’s an entire goose farm being cooked for the democrats right now, but carry on, clinger 😉 and maybe try to fix your broken latin if you have a chance.
Exactly all of it was declassified Mikey. No law was broken this time anymore than it was broken the last 297 times you started prematurely jacking your microchode to the latest pee pee tape conspiracy for 6 and a half consecutive years. The only people who have broken the relevant law in the last 20 years have all been Democrats, none of whom faced any form of punishment or accountability. Rest on those laurels and leave the thinking to the big kids on this one.
That is pretty much the definition of "fishing expedition"
You’re right. Sullum should not be allowed to recap current events. Doing so shows a deep derangement on his part.
Lifting entire pages from other media sources without contributing even your own analysis, let alone any new reporting, is not "recapping" it's "reposting". And when you do it 12 times in less than a week all on one single topic and all of your facts have turned out to be spectacularly wrong, the odds that it's a coincidence or accident diminish pretty substantially.
Sullum seems to be repeating the Elias and Wassman claims verbatim.
JesseAZ...To me, it starts with the affidavit that the FBI/DOJ doesn't want made public. The affidavit, and all supporting documentation the judge saw in making his decision must be made public, owing to great public interest. That would also include revealing the names in the affidavit because knowing 'who' was saying 'what' is critical context Americans need to know.
It will be abundantly clear from the affidavit (and supporting docs) whether this was a corrupt political act or not.
It was okay for Trump to do that, because Trump told us it was okay for him to do that. No really, that's the claim! Apparently, presidents can declassify any document merely by walking out of the office with it. Really, that's the excuse.
It's a pretty good excuse too, being that it's what the fucking law says.
Yep.
It's all been explained with citations to Brandybuck before. He's being retarded on purpose.
No, the law really doesn’t say that he can still declassify documents two years after he has left the presidency.
And nobody is claiming that, White Mike.
You will never convince the Orange Disciples of this.
Of course not, because they are not retarded faggots like you, Mikey. You won't convince them that Trump tried to declassify documents 2 years after his presidency ended because that didn't happen.
Did I mention how absolutely pathetic it is that you returned 5 hours after your last post to reply to yourself?
Hi, Tulpa!
LOL, you returned in the wee hours of the morning to dish out worthless comments. Bah bye.
The Presidential Records Act says no such thing
https://www.congress.gov/bill/95th-congress/house-bill/13500
Any other law you were thinking about?
Man, fucking lefty ignoramuses are so stupid, they need constant reminders of how stupid they are:
"Trump has legal authority to declassify intelligence"
[...]
"President Trump tweeted Tuesday morning that he had the "absolute right" to share information about national security with Russian officials in the White House last week, after The Washington Post reported that the information was highly sensitive and classified.
[...]
Executive Order 13526
As president, Trump has the legal power to declassify information. He also has the authority to share information with whomever he wants, including foreign adversaries..."
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-legal-authority-declassify-intelligence/story?id=47436559
Eat shit and die, you steaming pile of lefty shit.
Trump did indeed have legal authority to declassify documents, nor is anyone denying that. And I fully accept that he can declassify orally with a wave of his hand, albeit this would be highly irregular, unprecedented, and contrary to procedure.
But you're overlooking two things, which given your demonstrated stupidity is hardly surprising.
1. There is no evidence other than Trump's say-so that he did declassify anything
2. The PRA and the later act are not restricted to classified documents.
Now fuck off, peasant.
Lol. Do you even comprehend that your acceptance of Trump's unlimited ability to declassify documents with a wave of his hand utterly defeats your nonsensical first bullet point, kiddie fucker?
Are you some special kind of moron that thinks that Trump saying now that he declassified something then is any kind of evidence that he did declassify then?
It’s never been done before!
Well, they can. It's part of the job.
The stupid TDSs-addled asshole can't seem to remember what authority a POTUS has over classified documents.
Fuck off and die, steaming pile of lefty shit.
A former president has no authority. Maybe some courtesy extended by a successor, but in this case there (properly) is none of that.
Thanks for your worthless contribution, asshole bigot. Fuck off and die.
That's actually not true. You should read the court rulings on this in regards to Judicial Watch v NARA
There is a court ruling to this effect, so, yes.
The walls are closing in.
someone who "willfully retains" defense information that he "has reason to believe could be used to the injury of the United States or to the advantage of any foreign nation" is guilty of a felony punishable by up to 10 years in prison.
The FBI also mentioned 18 USC 1519, which makes it a felony, punishable by up to 20 years in prison, to conceal "any record, document, or tangible object" with the intent to "impede, obstruct, or influence" a federal investigation.
So, actually giving information damaging to the security of the US only gets you 10 years, but getting in the way of an FBI investigation gets you 20 years. Sad but not surprising. The primary goal of federal law enforcement is our obedience, not the welfare of the country. That's why they put so much more effort into prosecuting "process crimes" than crimes with actual victims.
"The FBI also mentioned 18 USC 1519, which makes it a felony, punishable by up to 20 years in prison, to conceal "any record, document, or tangible object" with the intent to "impede, obstruct, or influence" a federal investigation."
So I can get out my "LOCK HER UP!" bumper stickers again?
"I could tell you why," Garland replied, "but then I'd have to kill you."
Although that exchange is entirely imaginary,...
Sullum is finally embracing full out trolling of his audience. Is his TDS induced fever starting to break, or is he just completely incapable of understanding the irony of imitating the Donald?
Today in libertarian commentary:
And in "too local" news.
The assailants may have assumed he would be riding in the vehicle, too.
That would be quick. This causes more suffering.
You folks got around to pretending Bush and Cheney never existed, so you'll do the same for Trump. Granted, there is more of a record of the Trump worship, but you have no problem with bald-faced lies.
It's a bit late in the day, and it's time to move on to uncritically worshiping Ron DeSantis.
Because the best people are always the most ambitious politicians, to quote Hayek.
LOL @ tony.
This retard has already forgotten Obama.
The lightbringer gave Tony a tingle in his legs, so that's different.
I mean, you now worship Dick Cheney's daughter and support the wars that Bush started simply because Trump mocked the Cheneys and Bushes and tried to end their wars. But it's good to see you can still remember those 2004 talking points when it's convenient.
Liz has 60% support from democrats.
The Koch network and other Trump allies are quietly backing his biggest GOP critic: Rep. Liz Cheney
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/08/23/the-koch-network-and-other-trump-allies-are-quietly-backing-his-biggest-gop-critic-rep-liz-cheney.html
"The Koch network... are quietly backing... Rep. Liz Cheney"
Not really so quietly. Rich Uncle Charles has had Sullum and Lancaster publishing orangemanbad rants every day.
Since when has the Koch Network ever been a Trump ally? Have you even read Reason's numerous anti-Trump articles, like the one your commenting on?
Do you not know? He wrote many of them (Strazele is Sullum).
Please stick to one sock per thread, shreek.
And it seems, a far lower amount of support from GOP-registered voters.
“You folks got around to pretending Bush and Cheney never existed”
Imagine being such a dishonest piece of filth that you accuse a bunch of libertarians of approving of Bush and Cheney.
Dick Cheney is heartless.
And we are all grateful!
"You folks got around to pretending Bush and Cheney never existed"
Literally no one here has done that. In fact you're the one that's adopted the old Bush/Cheney stances and your party has hopped into bed with the unrepentant Neocons.
They talk of TDS but the only one deranged are the orange disciples still clamped on his orange nipples.
He's been out of office 2 years and you're still latching onto every wild ass conspiracy theory just like you were 6 and a half years ago when the pee pee tape saga began, Mikey.
If this was anyone else other then Trump, they would already be in jail.
For what?
What has Trump done that was illegal?
We're not at your utopia yet where you get to imprison people who fuck up your racket. Soon, but not yet.
What has Trump done that was illegal?
Sullum pointed to the three statutes that the warrant says that he may have violated by having those documents that the warrant was looking for. You are willfully blinding yourself to the reality here.
Yeah, shitbag, all three of those depend on proving some nefarious intent. How tiny do your hands have to be to grasp straws that skinny?
Thanks for your contributions, you pile of shit who supports murder as a preventative measure.
Fuck off and die, shit pile.
If you think any of those three were relevant based on what we now know, then you're the one who's willfully blind and incredibly gullible.
They're relevant because they're sufficiently vague that it will be easy for them to point to some cause because it's all a big trap.
If the documents are securely locked away and stored, Trump is guilty of trying to conceal or destroy government documents. If they're too easy to access, Trump is guilty of violating the Espionage Act. If he tells the FBI there's no classified documents, he's obstructing their investigation. If he tells them he has classified documents, he's guilty of the Espionage Act again. When he answered a subpoena by turning over documents, they went back for more documents.
The whole thing is set up to find something that Trump is definitely guilty of, because the process is a trap. There's going to be some process crime in there-either he perjures himself by saying he had the rights to all the documents he took (which can't be consistent since some documents were returned) or else he admits that some documents were taken that should not have been. And the FBI is sending people under investigation for violating Trump's rights to seize FBI documents from Trump.
It's all a fucking clown world.
I mean, how vague is that phrase, could result in "injury of the United States or to the advantage of any foreign nation." The FBI could determine that information embarrassing the FBI is an injury to the nation. Documents showing Biden's dealings with the Ukraine could be advantageous to a number of foreign nations. Corruption from Operation Fast and Furious, the sort of things that the public should know, could be considered injurious to the United States or beneficial to the public.
Stealing highly classified documents is a clear crime.
And also something that didn't happen, shreek. Any special reason you busted this sock out after so many months? You skitter away like a bug every time I out you again.
This statement is perfection in its wrongness.
Exactly. What are the odds that you or I could have documents that the federal government says we were not supposed to have, that they think includes highly classified information, that they want back, and could then spend months "negotiating" over whether we got to keep them stored in our basement? Trump and his supporters saying that this search (or raid, if you prefer) is a sign of the FBI targeting him for political reasons is ludicrous. Anyone other than Trump would have long since been in cuffs.
Revealingly Hillary Clinton checks all the boxes yet was not only not in cuffs but they never sanctioned her at all even though she never returned thousands of documents or the illegal server. So not only is the left demonstrating its partisanship over Trump's acts, they're also admitting they knew Clinton deserved much worse and they were only protecting her because she's a left winger.
I wonder why left wingers waste their credibility making such stupid arguments.
Anyone with the handle Jason T20 is fucking stupid enough to make this statement:
"Anyone other than Trump would have long since been in cuffs."
Fuck off and die, lying pile of lefty shit.
What are the odds of you becoming president of the United States and commander in chief of the US armed forces with exclusive discretion to classify and declassify documents? Probably similar to the odds of you obtaining a 3 digit score on an IQ test.
MAGAs live in an alternate reality that exists only in their minds lol
Tell us again how Mueller proved that Trump is a Russian intelligence asset who paid hookers to pee on a bed in Moscow and has been in prison for the last 4 years after being convicted of those crimes, Mikey.
Right. The Democrats have tried to get Trump since before January 20, 2016 with everything they could, even that they had to manufacture like the Steele Dossier. Now, as for karma houdinis, let's talk Hillary Clinton and her infamous server.
The Democrats did not put the classified documents in Trumps house. Trump did.
I see where you're confused, shreek. See, Trump placed documents that he declassified as president of the United States with exclusive and ultimate authority to do so in his home under secret service guard.
Now, Democrats DID place classified documents on an unsecured internet-facing email server, and in the hands of Israeli spies, and in the hands of Chinese spies, and down the pants of a national security advisor in one instance. But they sure didn't place any classified documents in Trump's house.
Glad we were able to clear that up. It's kind of like that time when Democrats did not post hardcore child pornography at Reason.com and get their original Sarah Palin's Buttplug sock banned. You did.
Keep drinking that MAGA mango juice, but Trump's not going to hand wave this one away lmao.
I know Mikey! This is really it! After 6 and a half years they've got him! It's the beginning of the end! The walls are closing in!
We still know almost nothing about their contents, which is relevant in assessing the decision to search Mar-a-Lago.
Surely that is relevant to a complete assessment. But regardless of what they contain we know the raid only occurred because Trump is not a Democrat. Hillary Clinton refused to turn over classified records, she refused the FBI access to her server so they could assess the risk to national security, and then she destroyed documents. The FBI never chose to raid her facilities.
So what they find can have some impact on how we understand the raid, but no matter what they find this was a partisan act demonstrating to everyone the Mandarin Class does not apply laws to itself.
And leftists like Sullum are cheering on the authoritarians.
Well, just in case anybody thought all Reason's shitty reporting was a mistake -- it's not. They're doing it on purpose.
Yup. Gaslighting.
Comparing Trump to Clinton is hilarious. Lock him up!
Why would anyone want to lock up George Clinton?
Of course Bill Clinton should be locked up - #metoo. He should've been removed for conduct unbecoming a President when he banged an intern in the Oval Office, he being the intern's ultimate boss. If Clinton were a CEO, he'd have been gone for that act.
One sock per thread, shreek.
The thing I find amazing is that Trump was asked nicely to return the documents but chose not to do so. Like so many things in his Presidency he has to make things harder than they need to be. In most, maybe all, cases there was no point to be made just Trumps desire to screw things up. The same with these documents. Just say it was a mistake and give them back, but no he wants a court case. I suppose it will bring in more money from his sheep, but it put our country through more troubles than the people deserve to have.
He did. He returned 15 boxes. Then the National Archivist, at the behest of the WH, turned those over to the DOJ for criminal investigation, and waived any claim of Executive Privilege on behalf of Trump.
I guess now, attorneys can waive other attorney’s attorney-client privilege. And a random Dr can waive your medical privacy privileges with your Dr.
And some lefty priest can waive the pertinent privilege of anyone that has been to confession. Amazing setup.
He returned 15 boxes. He did not return all the boxes and his lawyer said in writing that he had.
You think Trump went through everything himself? You have absolutely no idea what Trump had and if it was subject to being turned over.
"He returned 15 boxes. He did not return all the boxes and his lawyer said in writing that he had."
Got a cite for that, steaming pile of TDS-addled lefty shit?
Got a cite for that?
Yup:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/carlieporterfield/2022/08/13/trumps-lawyer-reportedly-told-doj-after-june-visit-that-all-classified-material-had-been-returned-from-mar-a-lago/?sh=7274a9aa7813
It's unseemly enough that you have 4 socks running in this thread now, shreek. Replying to yourself is just pathetic.
Doubt SRG is a turd sock; SRG is simply one more lying pile of TDS-addled lefty shit.
Fuck off, peasant. First, I'm not a sock, second, running socks on internet forums is an idiotic waste of time.
Fuck more little boys, pedophile. I know running socks is an idiotic waste of time. That's why I call you out for it on the daily since you operate at least 8 known socks on this website not including the one you got banned for posting hardcore child pornography links.
What other socks am I supposed to be running?
More likely, you accuse others of things you do yourself.
Rarely have I read anything, and never in Reason, that so deliberately and stupidly misrepresents the state of the law concerning this subject.
" But it also could be ascribed to laziness, carelessness, honest mistakes, or a misunderstanding of what the law required. "
By a delusional, disaffected, deplorable dumbass, maybe. But not by an informed, educated, reasonable, intelligent person.
An attorney -- she's not much of an attorney, but she appears to be an attorney -- reportedly declared in writing and without qualification, after pointed communication, that the former president no longer possessed any improperly possessed document(s).
That apparently was a falsehood. Trump played stupid games and has won stupid prizes. The relevant authorities called his stupid bluff, imposed adult supervision, and are showing him who is boss (spoiler: former president is not the boss). Efforts to find a gray area in this context are clownish.
Carry on, clingers. Whine as much as you like about it, but as usual better Americans will have the compliance of lesser Americans.
The entire case is crumbling.
Eat shit and die asshole bigot.
Very true. Like when 3 of your Black Bloc LARPers all got ventilated in the span of 10 minutes by a 17 year old boy standing 5 feet 5 inches tall.
"The TDS-addled asshole Sullum reportedly searching for a brain cell and failing."
Eat shit and die, Sullum; you deserve nothing else. Stupidity like this really should be removed from even the shallow end of the gene-pool which the TDS-addled pile of shit Sullum inhabits.
"In total, the government has recovered more than 300 documents with classified markings from Mr. Trump since he left office, the people said: that first batch of documents returned in January, another set provided by Mr. Trump’s aides to the Justice Department in June and the material seized by the F.B.I. in the search this month.
The previously unreported volume of the sensitive material found in the former president’s possession in January helps explain why the Justice Department moved so urgently to hunt down any further classified materials he might have....
...And the extent to which such a large number of highly sensitive documents remained at Mar-a-Lago for months, even as the department sought the return of all material that should have been left in government custody when Mr. Trump left office, suggested to officials that the former president or his aides had been cavalier in handling it, not fully forthcoming with investigators, or both.....
...The highly sensitive nature of some of the material in the boxes prompted archives officials to refer the matter to the Justice Department, which within months had convened a grand jury investigation....
...Mr. Trump’s allies insist that the president had a “standing order” to declassify material that left the Oval Office for the White House residence, and have claimed that the General Services Administration, not Mr. Trump’s staff, packed the boxes with the documents.
No documentation has come to light confirming that Mr. Trump declassified the material, and the potential crimes cited by the Justice Department in seeking the search warrant for Mar-a-Lago would not hinge on the classification status of the documents.
National Archives officials spent much of 2021 trying to get back material from Mr. Trump, after learning that roughly two dozen boxes of presidential records material had been lingering in the White House residence for several months. Under the Presidential Records Act, all official material remains government property and has to be provided to the archives at the end of a president’s term....
...On June 3, Jay Bratt, the chief of the counterespionage section of the national security division of the Justice Department, went to Mar-a-Lago to meet with two of Mr. Trump’s lawyers, Evan Corcoran and Christina Bobb, and retrieve any remaining classified material to satisfy the subpoena. Mr. Corcoran went through the boxes himself to identify classified material beforehand, according to two people familiar with his efforts.
Mr. Corcoran showed Mr. Bratt the basement storage room where, he said, the remaining material had been kept....
...Mr. Trump briefly came to see the investigators during the visit.
Mr. Bratt and the agents who joined him were given a sheaf of classified material, according to two people familiar with the meeting. Mr. Corcoran then drafted a statement, which Ms. Bobb, who is said to be the custodian of the documents, signed. It asserted that, to the best of her knowledge, all classified material that was there had been returned, according to two people familiar with the statement.
Soon after that visit, investigators, who were interviewing several people in Mr. Trump’s circle about the documents, came to believe that there were other presidential records that had not been turned over, according to the people familiar with the matter.
On June 22, the Justice Department subpoenaed the Trump Organization for Mar-a-Lago’s security footage, which included a well-trafficked hallway outside the storage area, the people said.
The club had surveillance footage going back 60 days for some areas of the property, stretching back to late April of this year.
While much of the footage showed hours of club employees walking through the busy corridor, some of it raised concerns for investigators, according to people familiar with the matter. It revealed people moving boxes in and out, and in some cases, appearing to change the containers some documents were held in. The footage also showed other parts of the property...
...Federal officials have indicated that their initial goal has been to secure any classified documents Mr. Trump was holding at Mar-a-Lago, a pay-for-membership club where there is little control over who comes in as guests. It remains to be seen whether anyone will face criminal charges stemming from the investigation.
The combination of witness interviews and the initial security footage led Justice Department officials to begin drafting a request for a search warrant, the people familiar with the matter said.
....The F.B.I. agents who conducted the search found the additional documents in the storage area in the basement of Mar-a-Lago, as well as in a container in a closet in Mr. Trump’s office, the people said.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/22/us/politics/trump-mar-a-lago-documents.html
Lock him up.
"I could tell you why," Garland replied, "but then I'd have to kill you."
Sadly - he wasn't kidding...
Trump Reportedly Retained Hundreds of Documents That Were Marked As Classified
Brought to you by the same FBI agents who worked with Peter Strock..
Should the affidavit be released, we'll find that the FBI provided absolutely no history of the legal negotiations over returning documents. Even though the magistrate was a fervent anti-Trump activist, why risk not getting your search warrant by providing actual facts?
I think it's extremely bad, and biased journalism to present a quote from a real person, then later to announce that it's imaginary. As much as I generally dislike Garland, I doubt he would say something as rude, crude and snarky as "I could tell you, but then I'd have to kill you". It paints a false picture of the person without addressing the actual issue. This is a 'poison the well' type ad hom', and doesn't belong in Reason.
NEWS FLASH the President, by law, has FULL authority to determine the classificatioin status of ANY document at his sole discretion. This is the law of the land, and has been for a long time.
Trump has stated multiple times that he has declassified EVERY DOCUMENT he has removed from the White House or any other government facility. Thus ALL the documents in his possession have been legally declassified. If they were found in his hose, they are no longer "classified" at any level.
Where are the howls of NOT RIGHT about Hillary's unsecure email server containing tens of thousands of critical, secure, documents at high risk of compromise/ SHE did not have the authoroity to possess any of that outdide of government's secure servers. Trump very clearly DOES have full authority to declassify and possess everything he had.