Biden Shouldn't Meet Xi Jinping in China. He Should Do It in America.
The U.S. may not realize it, but it has the upper hand. It turns out communism doesn't work.

The news that President Joe Biden is preparing to meet face-to-face in Asia in November with the head of the Chinese Communist Party (CCP), Xi Jinping, broke shortly after I'd finished reading a passage in former President Ronald Reagan's memoir about Reagan's own presidential trip to Asia to meet with the Chinese Communist leader at the time.
Reagan wrote that in April 1984, he stopped in Hawaii on his way over to Asia. "I saw Barry Goldwater, who was stopping over before continuing to Washington after a visit to Taiwan. Barry was upset about my visiting China and made little attempt to hide it," Reagan wrote.
That understates it. A press account from the time has then-Sen. Goldwater (R–Ariz.), an ardent foe of communism who was the Republican Party's 1964 presidential candidate, telling reporters in Taipei that Reagan's visit to China was a mistake.
"I don't think he is going to accomplish anything," Goldwater said. "Nobody can accomplish anything with mainland China. They are beyond hope."
Reagan went ahead with the trip anyway. Goldwater, however, provided a political constraint—and a reality check. He was consistent and principled on the point. In 1982 he was quoted as saying that if the Chinese Communists invited him to visit, he'd reject the invitation: "There is nothing we could talk about. They are communists. They deny human rights and economic freedom, and their word cannot be trusted."
Is anyone today playing a similar constructive hardline role? House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D–Calif.) has visited Taiwan, and this week another congressional delegation made a similar visit. Their goal, though, seems mainly to prevent a Chinese Communist takeover of Taiwan, which is a much more modest ambition than Goldwater's goal of freeing China.
China's lackeys claim that the situation has changed since the 1980s, as China has grown more prosperous with the advent of certain market-like mechanisms. China's apologists are correct that the situation has changed, but they are wrong about the direction. It's gotten worse, not better. Communist China poses an even greater threat now than it did then. Americans are more reliant on Chinese-made goods, and American companies are more reliant on Chinese customers, creating a vested interest in support of the status quo. Hong Kong, which used to be free under British rule, is now subject to Chinese Communist domination. China now is in the midst of perpetrating a genocide, as Secretary of State Antony Blinken declared as recently as June 2022.
One institution that certainly isn't going to be serving the Goldwater function is The New York Times. That newspaper this month issued a rare staff editorial declaring that the United States should abandon "trying to change China." The editorial did not mention the word "genocide." It's quite a thing, amidst an ongoing genocide, to propose formally abandoning the goal of changing the genocidal regime or its behavior. The Times followed up by publishing an opinion article by a member of the CCP, "a former chief opinion editor of The Global Times, an arm of the official Communist Party newspaper, The People's Daily."
Here's a viewpoint you won't read in the People's Daily, or the Times, for that matter: If Xi wants to meet Biden, let the communist make the trip to Washington. And let Biden set some preconditions for such a meeting: a verifiable end to the Xinjiang genocide, full transparency on the first coronavirus patients in Wuhan and any illnesses related to the virology lab there, and release of all political prisoners in Hong Kong including newspaper proprietor Jimmy Lai.
America may not realize it, but it has the upper hand. Even China's own bogus economic data show high unemployment and slowing economic growth there. It turns out that communism doesn't work. Goldwater was correct.
A weaker American position will only fuel suspicions of corruption—"ten percent for the big guy." Why are the Chinese communists so desperate to buy off American elites? Because on some basic level, deep down, they know the truth is Goldwater was right. Communism is beyond hope. The Communist Party in China, like the Soviet one before it, is just buying time until the eventual, ineluctable reckoning with freedom.
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If your assertion is that life for most people in China has gotten worse since the 1980s you are unquestionably wrong. Life has improved in innumerable ways in China since then. All of that progress has been in spite of the CCP, but it is undeniably there.
Communism is evil, but it's evil enough on its own that you argue all its demerits without needing to resort to lies and hyperbole.
Did we read the same thing?
China's lackeys claim that the situation has changed since the 1980s, as China has grown more prosperous with the advent of certain market-like mechanisms.
Life is better for the common man in China. You and the author are in agreement, right?
China's apologists are correct that the situation has changed, but they are wrong about the direction. It's gotten worse, not better. Communist China poses an even greater threat now than it did then.
That's a statement about international relations, not life in China.
So I'm not sure what you're angry about.
Okay, that's a fair cop. I skimmed it pretty hard.
The improvements of life in China have been because the CPC has *pulled back* from communism (but not totalitarianism).
So yeah, communism doesn't work.
"The U.S. may not realize it, but it has the upper hand. It turns out communism doesn't work."
Communism works perfectly when you are part of the elite. The Biden puppeteers know exactly what they are doing.
Stoll would have a point, if China didn't own the Bidens. I believe the Chinese are blackmailing Biden and many others. They're also paying off the Bidens as a carrot to go along with the stick the Chinese have of the details of their "deals" with Hunter.
Which leader would be telling the other that communism doesn’t work?
I guess that depends on how lucid Biden is that day. And if he's pooped his pants or not.
^My thoughts exactly... Biden and his entire party is F'En communists and the whole world knows it. It's just a matter of who likes to play in the denial-ism sandbox the most.
When your boss calls you go, you don't tell him to come to you. That includes Biden. He as a lot to do for what China paid him and Hunter. I am sure they are mad as President he didn't forbid Pelosi's visit to Taiwan. I am sure China is feeling they are not getting their monies worth with Biden.
Of course the US voters aren't getting their monies worth either from Biden.
Biden works for Ukraine. *Pelosi's* the one in bed with the Chinese;)
Is the latter a torture they use with inmates of Xinjiang?
If I paid for Biden, I'm suing someone for faulty product and false advertising.
Caveat emptor.
They've had a half century to test drive him.
no no let him go maybe he'll fall in love with the locals or something
Does Chinese children's hair smell different?
Joe would know.
The Communist Party in China, like the Soviet one before it, is just buying time until the eventual, ineluctable reckoning with freedom.
Be careful of falling into a Hegelian model of things. This is not inevitable.
CCP seems to have a *bit* more structure lol.
The ussr collapsed when soldiers started refusing to fire on their own citizens. The ccp doesn't have that problem
unlike King Lebron now, back then Magic, Bird & Dr. J were hanging out with James Brown singing "Living in America"
The USSR didn't have that problem either, until suddenly they did.
Mussolini had a compliant king and military and public, until suddenly he didn't.
The Japanese military had a compliant emperor, until suddenly they didn't.
Hitler had a compliant military, until suddenly he didn't. Although the July 20 scale was different, it still changed his and their view of military loyalty.
You're leaving some things out there
If you mean Tiananmen Square, Hong Kong, and everything else, sure. Dictators are bad news for everybody. But my examples show that things can turn around far faster than dictators expect, and it is entirely possible that it will happen to Xi too.
No, I was thinking world war II...
Hey!
neither is he ^
"There is nothing we could talk about. They are communists. They deny human rights and economic freedom, and their word cannot be trusted."
Goldwater was so right in so many ways, this is just one facet of that.
How timely the past can be - - - -
"I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice! And let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue!"
His presidential slogan was "In Your Heart You Know He's Right". And it's still true.
I see that this was considered a bad slogan by a lot of people, but they're wrong.
This guy gets it. Goldwater was one of the earliest examples of fake news labeling some as racist. He was no such thing. Instead we got a real racist democrat, LBJ, who famously bought the "nigger vote" forever. Or so he thought.
The media was so disingenuous about him that the APA had to invent a rule specifically named after Goldwater about psychiatrists being asked to make armchair diagnoses of public figures. They hunted for biased people to back up the claim that he was not fit to be president in order to lend credence to their attack on him. And you saw how shitty supposed "experts" actually are when it comes to being objective; they diagnosed him with almost every mental disorder possible without any factual basis behind it.
In his later years I loved listening to interviews Goldwater gave. A very intelligent, knowledgeable and interesting person.
In his latter days, Barry Goldwater added the Religious Right to the Communists on his enemy list and upheld the individual rights of LGBTQs, most likely coinciding with his Grandson coming out as Gay.
In my heart--and hard-on--I know he was right.
He helped integrate the Arizona Air National Guard and had people of all backgrounds in his department store. He also approved of every Civil Rights Bill prior to 1964, and his objection to that was solely based on his support of private property rights and the right of private individuals to choose their associates.
Barry Goldwater really got a shit deal from the fake news "yellow journalism" of the time. Well, the media got their comeuppance with a President Trump who practically wanted to bring back Thr Alien and Sedition Act.
But when it's domestic leftists...
The optics should be wonderful; XI will just have been (re)elected Premier for life, and Biden will just have lost his legislative branch.
Biden Shouldn't Meet Xi Jinping in China. He Should Do It in America. The U.S. may not realize it, but it has the upper hand. It turns out communism doesn't work.
The Chinese know that, which is why they're only communist in name.
Goldwater was correct.
Reason, if you could just start inserting this into every article you publish I think you could really turn this whole train around.
But all their interns and most of the staff would quit!
Pretty clearly China is not communist. Instead it's more of a Nationalistic Socialism.
And it seems to be winning the culture war. Our business elites don't need to be bribed directly, they kowtow to China because they want access to their markets. Money is all that matters to them.
And on the flip side, the progressive elites (which seem to be run the media and Democrat party) love China because they love the authoritarianism and want to use it here. The lockdowns, the social credit system, internment camps for political dissidents, etc
You're right, there is no True Scotsman.
/sarc
You know who else was Nationalistic and Socialist?
Moses?
Even China's own bogus economic data show high unemployment and slowing economic growth there. It turns out that communism doesn't work. Goldwater was correct.
Goldwater was correct and communism doesn't work, but this is a shitty example.
The entire world is experiencing unemployment and crappy economic growth right now thanks to a coordinated, worldwide effort on the part of governments to stifle economic activity in the name of a virus.
Pick a better example.
A virus created by who?
Fauci, Communist China, the CDC, the FDA, the Illuminati, the lizard people, Big Pharma, and of course the Democrats. Duh. Gimme a hard one.
Wait…Lizard People is a Sqirlsey thing…
No, Lizard People are an icky Icke thing.
China's economy has been propped up by subsidies and money printers for 5-10 years now. Have you not read of unpopulated ghost towns and high speed rail to nowhere? Potemkin skyscrapers and trains are a staple of communism.
Yea, but that's also the rest of the world
worldwide effort on the part of governments to stifle economic activity
But that's communism in a nut shell.
No. Under communism that's an unintended side-effect of command and control. Lockdowns and such were deliberate.
a verifiable end to the Xinjiang genocide, full transparency on the first coronavirus patients in Wuhan and any illnesses related to the virology lab there
Why doesn't he just walk down the hall and talk to Anthony Fauci on that one.
He wants a straight answer?
Straight answer? Can you be more cis? Equity Officer on line 1.,..
Why are the Chinese communists so desperate to buy off American elites? Because on some basic level, deep down, they know the truth is Goldwater was right. Communism is beyond hope. The Communist Party in China, like the Soviet one before it, is just buying time until the eventual, ineluctable reckoning with freedom.
This is a complicated topic, but it's quite clear that China knew that communism... real communism was a lost cause. So they liberalized their markets, without liberalizing their population.
They essentially nationalized the results of production, but allowed the means of production to enter (re-enter?) private hands.
As a result, China is a kind of mercantilist regime-- the best description I've ever heard is a "mercantilist buccaneer on the world stage".
If anything the Chinese are natural mercantilists. They come to dominate trade in a number of Asian countries (and are hated for it) while being a minority. Communism? No one's good at it as it's just a preposterous ideology. But the Chinese don't give a shit about freedom either, five thousand years of history attests to that.
It turns out that communism doesn't work.
AOC will be unavailable for the rest of the day while she creates an Ira Stoll voodoo doll.
Voodoo does have a higher chance of success than communism
>>communism doesn't work.
operative term subjective.
"ten percent for the big guy."
Shocking to see Reason actually noticed and is aware of this phrase. I wonder if they'll do any investigative reporting into what it specifically means and whether there's massive graft involved with the President.
Too local. Ukraine and China.
Probably not. Ira Stoll is just a guest columnist.
It turns out communism doesn't work.
Now do liberal democracy.
It's the worst system, aside from all the other ones.
Including all the other ones.
Anything can be said to "work," depending on the purpose. Burning stakes and concentration camps "work" if your purpose is to murder people.
Fuck Off, Witch-Burning Nazi!
Better idea, send LeBron then revoke his passport
Need him here to keep destroying the Lakers.
^+1 Haha. Yes!
Can't we do that with affirmative action for the team roster?
Exactly right. Clearly the NBA need more "women" and has a racially unbalanced workforce. Making sure that each time has the right ratio of Latinx (sic), while, asian, and Native Americans on the team along with the right ratios of the 64 genders should take care of it.
I hate autocorrect. Team not time, White not while.
Not least for the reason that droolin' Joe can avoid the embarrassment of stumbling down the stairs from US1.
The only foreign policy i care about is when my fucking government gets involved between me buying or selling something with someone from another country.
This could be a trap. China has a lot of bicycles that Joe could be lulled into riding as a photo op and fall off and we're stuck with you meeting here to ream him out twice over their communism and abuses and then chastise for censoring it back home. If it's to be one meeting than take a side trip to Taiwan.
Only Biden can fall in China
If the US was in fact a liberal democracy that lived up to the principles outline in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution, we might indeed have the upper hand when dealing with China. But the US is none of those things. We are a failed, bankrupt empire. The Biden administration has dragged us into a proxy war with Russia and idiots like Nancy Pelosi wants to antagonize China as well. Only in the fever dreams of neocons like Reason hero Liz Cheney do we win those wars. Whether or not Chinese communism ultimately succeeds or fails is beside the point.
Hey, somebody has to goose the progress towards the formation of Eastasia, Eurasia, and Oceania, and perpetual global war.
Give it a year - the arrange to meet in Taiwan.
But don't bring the asshole here - Americans shouldn't be subject to foreign potentate's security forces wrecking their schedules or even actually beating the shit out of them.
Why are the Chinese communists so desperate to buy off American elites? Because on some basic level, deep down, they know the truth is Goldwater was right.
Perhaps, but not necessarily. The simpler explanation is that they've realized bribing corrupt local elites is cheaper than conquest. Why spend billions developing military technologies when, for a few million, you can grease a few palms to import the technologies the global superpower spent billions developing? Why get in a pissing match over energy sources with your potential main rival when you can run a put a few bucks in the right hands and get your rival to swear off those energy sources while you exploit them?
Yeah Goldwater was right but that has nothing to do with the Biden and Pelosi graft in China.
"Biden Shouldn't Meet Xi Jinping in China. He Should Do It in America."
What, are we gonna try that thing again where Biden meets Xi at some "kitchen of tomorrow" exhibit (but then discovers that all the stuff was made in China)?
NYT denying a Communist genocide ? Well I NEVER!!
As Jimmy would say to Walter: "Stink-a-Dink-a-doo!"
Who's Doing The Kissing?
"In every relationship, one person does the kissing, the other allows himself to be kissed." -Saying
Biden is doing the kissing. Xi is allowing himself to be kissed. Why is it so?
https://www.nationonfire.com/crisis-or-conspiracy/ .
"Biden Shouldn't Meet Xi Jinping in China. He Should Do It in America."
I vehemently disagree. Joe should meet Xi where they both belong...IN HELL!!
If only there was such a place. Meanwhile, Xi and Joe make their respective nations a Hell on Earth for the citizens.