Court Upholds Bioweapons Conviction for 'Shit Talking' About Licking Groceries
Plus: Researches challenges "chemical imbalance" theory of depression, contraception denial on trial, and more...

COVID misinformation not protected speech. A man who lied on Facebook about paying someone with COVID to lick items at a grocery store is not protected by the First Amendment, according to the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit. The court's decision upholds a conviction handed to 40-year-old Christopher Charles Perez last October.
Back in April 2020, Perez posted on Facebook: "My homeboys cousin has covid19 and has licked every thing for past 2 days cause we paid him to … YOU'VE BEEN WARNED." He quickly took down that post, but subsequently shared a story about someone at a local grocery store testing positive for COVID with "Lol..I did try to warn y'all."
When the FBI showed up at his door soon thereafter, Perez apologized and told them he had only been "shit talking." He said his motive was trying to get people to take San Antonio's stay-at-home order seriously.
A federal jury found Perez guilty of violating a federal law against false information and hoaxes related to crimes. He was sentenced to 15 months in prison and a $1,000 fine for spreading false information related to a biological weapon.
The whole thing smacks of insane overreach, initially brought by prosecutors to send a message in a time of heightened tension and paranoia. Perez's actions may have been misguided or irresponsible, but it seems like a dangerous development to classify them as criminal—and a matter for FBI investigation and federal prison, no less.
"The FBI's Joint Terrorism Task Force, along with Weapons of Mass Destruction personnel, conducted this investigation," notes a Justice Department press release from last fall. The task force was established "to investigate and prosecute the most culpable domestic and international criminal actors."
Posting something stupid—and untrue—about a diseased cousin licking groceries apparently counts as a major incident of terrorism now.
In an August 3 decision, a panel of three appeals court judges upheld Perez's conviction but vacated his sentence, sending the case back to a lower court for re-sentencing. (The reason for the sentencing has nothing to do with the offense at hand; it relates to the way the court used Perez's criminal history—which included a 2007 conviction for possession of a controlled substance—to incorrectly establish the sentencing guidelines. Without this miscalculation, the guidelines would have suggested a 12- to 18-month sentence instead of a sentence of 15 to 21 months.)
In his appeal, Perez had argued that "the biological-weapons statute does not extend to conduct such as licking items in a grocery store and that the terrorist-hoax statute is an unconstitutional restriction on free speech," notes the court's opinion, written by Fifth Circuit Judge Jerry E. Smith.
Smith notes that Perez was truthful with the FBI as soon as he was questioned and that "there is no indication that Perez's posts caused public panic." Nonetheless, the court decided that because the ramifications could have been severe if Perez really had paid someone with COVID to lick groceries, merely saying that he did was a federal crime.
"Although the biological-weapons statute does contain an implied exception for local crimes, Perez's purported conduct was serious enough to place him within the purview of federal law enforcement," states the opinion. "If the act had actually been carried out, it could easily have created an outbreak of COVID-19 that could have been hard to contain. The resulting panic could also have been severe" and his "act would have had the potential to cause mass suffering."
The court further found that Perez's posts counted as "true threats." One might assume that a "true threat" requires an intent to actually carry out said threat, but it does not. "The speaker need not actually intend to carry out the threat," the Supreme Court held in a 2003 cross-burning case (Virginia v. Black), which Judge Smith cites here. "Thus, Perez's posts were unprotected true threats, so [convicting] him did not violate his right to free speech."
In addition to arguing that his posts were not true threats, Perez's lawyers argued that the law he was convicted under is overly broad. The law makes it a federal crime to engage "in any conduct with intent to convey false or misleading information under circumstances where such information may reasonably be believed and where such information indicates that an activity has taken, is taking, or will take place that would constitute a violation of" various other criminal statutes. The court also rejected this argument.
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Research challenges theory that depression stems from low serotonin levels. For a long time, depression has been characterized as a lack of the neurotransmitter serotonin. But new research "looked at 17 studies and found people with depression didn't appear to have different levels of serotonin in their brains to those without," reports BBC Health. "The findings help to rule out one possible way [antidepressant] drugs might work - by correcting a deficiency."
The research was published July 20 in the journal Molecular Psychology.
"The serotonin hypothesis of depression is still influential," write researchers in their paper's abstract. But "the main areas of serotonin research provide no consistent evidence of there being an association between serotonin and depression, and no support for the hypothesis that depression is caused by lowered serotonin activity or concentrations. Some evidence was consistent with the possibility that long-term antidepressant use reduces serotonin concentration."
This "conclusion has been an open secret within mental health circles for at least a decade," notes Sahanıka Ratnayake at Slate. "The very public dispelling of this 'serotonin model' has also removed a key plank in the widely believed but oversimplified myth of mental illness being caused by a 'chemical imbalance.'"The chemical imbalance myth has its roots in the late '70s and '80s when psychiatry was dominated by the desire to understand mental illness in primarily biological terms—as deviations in brain structure, neurochemistry, and genetics. When the first generation of selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors (or SSRI) antidepressants such as Prozac was introduced in the late '70s, a key part of their marketing claimed that they targeted specific neurochemical imbalances.
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Contraception denial on trial. A civil case underway in Minnesota asks whether a pharmacist has a right to refuse to sell someone birth control. The case involves a woman who was trying to fill a prescription for Ella, a form of emergency contraception. Per Minnesota Board of Pharmacy rules, a pharmacist can refuse to dispense a medication because of religious beliefs, but they must try and help a person fill the prescription elsewhere.
In this case, the pharmacist in question "may perhaps not have been as aggressive as he might have been in helping her find other options," the Star Tribune's John Reinan told Minnesota Public Radio. "I think that's something the jury is going to have to decide. But he told her, 'well, there's a CVS, you could go there' and he said he could send the prescription up to Brainerd to the Walgreens."
"This is purely a state case," Reinan pointed out. "Minnesota has a Human Rights Act that prevents discrimination of various kinds, including sex discrimination and sex is defined to also include issues relating to pregnancy and childbirth. So the pharmacist in this case, cannot claim his federal constitutional right to freedom of religion, because he's being sued under a state law that guarantees women the right to not be discriminated against in pregnancy and childbirth."
However, the Minnesota Constitution also protects freedom of conscience and religion, and its language "is of a distinctively stronger character than the federal counterpart," the state's Supreme Court noted in a 1990 case (State v. Hershberger).
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"The FBI's Joint Terrorism Task Force, along with Weapons of Mass Destruction personnel, conducted this investigation,
When the only tool you have is a hammer...
They have to do something while ignoring Hunter Biden's human trafficking and crack smoking and Nancy Pelosi's insider trading.
And don't forget ignoring complaints about career pedophiles Epstein and Nassr (Dr. of US Women's Gymnastics).
The lesson is that if you have prestige, the FBI will let you get away with fraud, corruption and diddling little kids. But if you are a shit-talking nobody, it doesn't matter that you had the "correct politics" (and let's note that this guy was indeed aligned with the political narrative).
In the arbitrary, elitist system that our government has created, your political fealty means jack shit, because you are no different than the millions of other happy boot lickers. But if they can get some political capital by "Making an example" out of you, they will do it in a heartbeat.
You can get away with anything up to and including trafficking in under aged girls and murder until circumstances change and the FBI decides it is politically advantageous to prosecute you. Then you are totally screwed regardless of your guilt or innocence.
The FBI needs to be abolished and a lifetime ban from working in law enforcement placed on every employee.
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They can keep the FBI lab. Every agent that concocted a entrapment scam needs to be jailed.
Even the lab has proven to be corrupt. Look it up if you don't believe me.
That is demonstrably false. The true statement is if you have prestige and a (d) next to your name the FBI will let youdo anything
The prestige is irrelevant. The (D) and political bureaucratic power is what matters.
No this is wrong. This poor dumbass fool was a Democrat. But he was more useful as "an example" than as a Democrat.
Yes, because they are more likely to support the Elitist Leviathan, Prominent Democrats are more likely to escape the FBI. But as soon as they become inconvenient, they too are vulnerable.
Manafort and General Flynn (among others) weren't unique in their ties with Ukraine and other shady shit. This shit is done by people all the time. The problem was that they tied up with Swamp Drainers. They became inconvenient to the swamp and so all that stuff that the Clintons, and Bidens and others engage would not be ignored any longer.
Machiavelli approves.
Hey now. They go after cops not charged by the state for political reasons too.
Don't tell them I just had a bean burrito.
Court Upholds Bioweapons Conviction for 'Shit Talking' About Licking Groceries
So they’re finally admitting Covid is a Bioweapon!
😉
"If the act had actually been carried out, it could easily have created an outbreak of COVID-19 that could have been hard to contain. The resulting panic could also have been severe" and his "act would have had the potential to cause mass suffering."
If you weren't lying, it would have been really bad! Therefore we're convicting you for lying about it.
Yeah, it wasn't even a threat. He said he had already done it when, in fact, he had not. That was simply making a false statement.
it could easily have created an outbreak of COVID-19 that could have been hard to contain
So, in other words, exactly what did actually happen everywhere regardless of what anyone did might have happened?
If you have an airborne virus that is not particularly deadly and is contagious when the person is asymptomatic, there is no stopping it once it gets beyond literally a dozen people or so. There is no controlling it either. All of the things that were mandated to stop the virus were worse than useless. Take social distancing for example. If I have the virus and am shedding it into the air, your being six feet from me doesn't make a damn bit of difference. It is going to go into the air and float around totally independent of where I am or go after I have shed it. We could stay six feet apart and if you walk through were the virus has floated and inhale it, you have been infected. The whole thing was insane.
That said, there are things you can do and could have been done to lessen the impact of the pandemic. They should have forgone all of the hand washing nonsense and told people to rinse their mouths out with antispectic mouthwash and used some kind of netty pot to rinse out their sinuses a couple of times a day. This is what people who work in labs dealing with deadly viruses do. Even the monkey suit protective equipment isn't perfect. But the virus gets into your body primarily through your mouth and nose. Clean those out and you can still get it via your eyes but the chances of being infected go way down.
Also, it was clear early on that there was a correlation between serious COVID cases and Vitamin D deficiency. If they had just told everyone to go on a vitamin D regimen, and clean out their sinuses in the morning and in the evening and used really strong mouthwash as often as possible, they would have actually saved a lot of lives and not had to destroy the economy. But what would have been the fun in that?
Yes, that's exactly what I'm getting at. The opinion is ridiculously divorced from reality. Anyone who continued to believe that containment was a possibility after about February 2020 is a fucking dope.
People in this society have an incredibly hard time dealing with mortality and some things being beyond their control. When you tell people that sometimes there isn't anything to be done because the possible "solutions" will do more harm than good, they won't accept it. The give you the irrational response of "well we have to do something." No, actually we don't. We don't have to do anything and sometimes there is nothing to be done. People in this society have lost the ability to understand that.
And some people are just evil, narcissistic clumps of cancer
Remember, as the mean chronological age in the US increases, the mean intellectual age decreases.
And yet there were people here in the comments as late as Feb 2022 insisting this could have just been stopped if only people had stayed in a hole/masked/jabbed/worshipped xinu harder.
It's been a while and I no longer remember the exact sequence of the first reports, but ....
* All governments lie about statistics, because they want to stay in power. Dictatorships lie more than democracies because they fear retribution if they lose power. Ideological dictatorships lie the most because they have to maintain the narrative. So the CCP reports were easy to discount, and it proved the right thing to do.
* The CCP report delays made me discount them even more; it was obvious the embarrassment was worse than the disease.
* Remember that cruise ship? Lots of old folks, all crammed into one ship, and what, 6 dead? Half didn't even get it. Another indication it was not as bad as claimed.
* Then Italy, almost all old folks.
* Average age at death was slightly higher than the average life expectancy! Obviously targeted old sick folks.
Meanwhile, friends and neighbors were going bananas, using hand sanitizer after shopping, wiping down packages from UPS, giving away jars of home-made hand sanitizer, wearing masks religiously.
I avoided the first shots because I live 45 minutes from where they were giving them, there were no guarantees I'd even get one once I got there, and they had lots of ridiculous constraints on the followup shot, which kept changing too. I thought the mRNA ones had a lot of promise; I suppose, like fusion power, they still do. By the time the shots were more available and had settled down, it became apparent the promises were like fusion power -- just promises for the future. Then a booster -- and another. Those friends and neighbors were lapping them up.
By then there was a lot of talk of vaccine passports, won't be able to shop without one, or travel, or ... and that really pissed me off. I also learned there had been two earlier flu pandemics (late 1950s, late 1960s) which had killed as many per capita, and which I had either never known of or forgotten all about, and that's when I said fuck it, no shot for me.
I have never had any flu shots; their effectiveness varies every season, and I don't get colds, even when kids brought them home from school or co-workers had terrible sniffles. Sure, COVID is worse than regular flu, but if they've got to conflate WITH and FROM, pay hospitals $35K to lie about each FROM death, lie about masking and social distancing and everything else, lie about where it came from, well, fuck it, I'll take my chances. I told my doctor why I hadn't got it, and he didn't care, just told me I was cutting off my nose to spite my face. But he also said don't get the second booster. What?!? A doctor who swallows the party line but thinks the second booster is bad?
So fuck it, I haven't got a shot yet. Haven't tried any of the home test kits either; wasn't Santy Biden supposed to be sending 4 our to every household? I doubt I've had it, never had any symptoms.
I thought it has been figured out about two years ago that COVID-19 spreads by respiration, and doesn’t spread effectively through surfaces and touch.
^---- One of the guys who, as recently as Feb 2022 was insisting that this virus could have been stopped if only people had stayed in a hole/masked/jabbed/worshipped xinu harder.
https://reason.com/2022/02/02/can-the-medical-innovations-used-to-fight-covid-19-finally-defeat-hiv/?comments=true#comment-9336124
Many, perhaps most things we've learned about covid since Feb 2020 has been good news. But no one in US media wants to cover it that way.
Still, it's rather difficult to feel all that sorry for him when I see this:
He said his motive was trying to get people to take San Antonio's stay-at-home order seriously.
Branch Covidians getting hoisted by their own self-righteous petard is more funny than anything else. Eat shit, cultist.
That does add a chuckle factor. Still a fucked up precedent.
Oh, sure, but I guarantee this is the world he wanted, he's just pissed that it's punishing him and not his political enemies.
I've fully accepted by now that these people are way too stupid to learn that the rules they want to impose that they believe will only benefit their side, can be just as easily turned on them, and so they need to get it as roughly as possible until they squeal to make it stop for everyone.
polio is "detected in wastewater samples taken in several locations and at different times in two counties north of New York City."
I blame #DeathSantis.
Didn't the Penguin also fuck with the sewers?
DarthSantis is every cartoon villain ever. Don't you know how progging works?
But new research "looked at 17 studies and found people with depression didn't appear to have different levels of serotonin in their brains to those without," reports BBC Health.
Wait, how the fuck have we gone this long without doing comparative analysis of seratonin levels? Surely that kind of study has happened before, right?
I'm extremely about the whole field of psychiatry (and psychology) but I'm also skeptical about this new research. Apparently I'm going to have to get some reading done to figure out what is even going on.
Psychiatrists have one answer to all forms of anxiety and depression, and that is to prescribe SSRIs. They work on about 1/3 of patients, have a temporary effect on others but then the dosage needs to be gradually increased over time, they no effect on some, and they make some people demonstrably worse. There are also a shit-ton of side effects, including weight gain and mood alteration.
They prescribe these to essentially anyone who comes in, whether it's actual depression or some life trauma the patient just needs to work through. If they do not have the desired result, most doctors will just prescribe more.
Drug companies are making bank, of course.
The entire therapeutic model is absurd. It consists of constantly talking out and thinking about whatever your problems are. That sounds reasonable in some ways but in practice it amounts to constantly pressing on a bruise and reigniting the pain it causes hoping doing so will cause it to go away.
People get depressed because they can't get out of their own heads and can't put whatever traumas they have suffered or problems they have into perspective or behind them. Talking about these things is productive in some cases but only if it results in the issues being put aside. The therapeutic model never gets to that point. It sees talking and being neurotic as the end in itself. In most cases it just makes things worse.
So what do you suggest?
Stop making a fetish out of suffering and being traumatized would be a good start.
Are you trying to invalidate the entire Democratic platform?
So what would you suggest for a person who is suffering from trauma?
What trauma? There isn't a single solution dummy. Controlled psychedelics is one of the new promising treatments.
But you know what doesn't work? Treating people as victims or cutting their genitals off.
SNOW WHITE! Checkmate bitch.
Damnit. Lost again.
I suggest they get over it.
So what would you suggest for a person who is suffering from trauma?
You are insufferable. The answer is literally in your question. STOP SUFFERING. Continually reliving trauma is a choice. People make that choice because they crave the attention they get from it.
Traumatic experience is easily extinguished if you have an ounce of willpower. Billions of soldiers over thousands of years can testify to this.
"You are insufferable. The answer is literally in your question."
It's constant rhetorical games with Jeff.
Start with telling them in an adult voice that most are not suffering from "trauma". Challenges, uncertainty, and even sad events are normal parts of life. Losing your job or cutting personal spending to pay back student loans are not the same as having your arm blown off by a car bomb.
Right. So the solution it seems is to deny that the trauma exists in the first place.
Lol. Try losing some weight.
Your schtick is becoming old.
1. Ask "reasonable" question
2. Ignore numerous responses
3. Pick the most unreasonable and characterize it in the least charitable way.
4. Demand that everyone defend or reject this one, uncharitably summarized, viewpoint.
I don’t call him Lying Jeffy for nothing.
Overt, what were the reasonable responses here?
Nardz: "get over it"
Chuck: "STOP SUFFERING. Continually reliving trauma is a choice."
EBHS: "most are not suffering from 'trauma'" and then comparing genuine trauma with not paying back student loans.
For once, Jesse actually did have a reasonable response of "there isn't a single solution", but then of course followed by a fallacy.
In my view they are glib unserious answers that deny the reality of trauma. Reliving genuine trauma is often not a "choice" FFS. Otherwise innocuous triggers can set off a traumatic episode. Does Chuck know about this? Does he care? Does he even give a shit?
Actually, Overt, what you seem to want me to do is to try to find a tiny kernel of gold in a toxic waste dump of filth. It is not my job to polish the arguments of others. When people give unserious insulting answers, why should I take these answers in anything other than the spirit in which they were offered? When 3 of the 4 responses are garbage, and the fourth is an insult, what do you expect me to do?
Poor Jeffy.
Reliving genuine trauma is often not a "choice" FFS.
Are you fucking kidding me? Behaving irrationally is always a choice. You must be channeling what you have learned from TV and movie dramas. People entering a fugue state where they cannot distinguish between what is happening now and what happened in the past only results from mental illness or brain damage. It is as rare as a functional amnesiac.
Flinching at gunshots after you have been shot is learning from experience, not reliving trauma. Same for worrying about aggressive men after you have been raped. Not being able to leave your house because you got raped is irrational and is best overcome by, wait for it... leaving your house and experiencing not getting raped.
Otherwise innocuous triggers can set off a traumatic episode. Does Chuck know about this? Does he care? Does he even give a shit?
A 'traumatic episode' is not real. People don't 'suffer' from things that are not real. I have family members that have real mental illness. Your emoting about TV trauma is a fucking insult to them and to rational people everywhere.
They didn't say deny, they said ignore it. Don't pick at the healing emotional scab, and there's a large body of research that backs that.
So FFS stop twisting statements to what you want to argue against.
So the solution it seems is to deny that the trauma exists in the first place.
Neurosis, phobia, and PTSD are all by definition irrational.
jeffy is by definition a fucking idiot.
Your command to simply tell people to "STOP SUFFERING" isn't helpful.
Yes, it is. Neurosis, phobia, and PTSD are irrational. Barring real mental illness, they can easily be overcome with cognitive therapy.
Hey, snowflake. Trauma has been recognized for a long time, but much of what people now claim to cause irrecoverable trauma is not. And how most people cope and recover is not what the pop media (and pop politicians) ever talk about. EVERYTHING now causes post-traumatic stress. When's the last time you saw a media report that mentioned post-traumatic growth?
Irrecoverable trauma results from trauma concurrent with damage to the brain. Brain damage and mental illness are the only things that can prevent the incredibly resilient and plastic mind from recovering. Anything else is a fucking fairy story told to make snowflakes feel better about their useless existence.
It's called "solution-focused brief therapy." Instead of spending years dwelling on how screwed up you are, you make a plan to get better.
See, now this is a helpful suggestion. Thanks. I will take a look at it.
solution-focused brief therapy
AKA - getting over it. You are such a twat, jeffy.
Exercise. Better diet. Outdoors activities. Getting a life.
It has utility in analyzing perspective. One's approach to the world and themselves. How to understand oneself, one's motivations, and the same things in others. Other possible interpretations of things that might cause one distress. Stuff like that.
But beyond a certain point, it's just a john visiting the whorehouse. It's paying for a period of intimacy.
But beyond a certain point, it's just a john visiting the whorehouse. It's paying for a period of intimacy.
That is a great way to put it.
I'm not sure where you practice medicine, or what your specialty is, but your characterization of psychiatrists is at the very least out of date, and in my experience is just plain wrong. I remember in the mid-1980s the Australian psychiatrist R. J. Barrett criticizing the serotonin deficiency model of major depression with the quip that it reminded him of an aspirin deficiency model of headache: if you take aspirin for your headache and it goes away, your headache must have been caused by a deficiency of aspirin. Even then, nearly 40 years ago, we knew that some people with MDD respond to SSRIs, many don't, and for at least the 40 years I have been in medicine psychiatrists have prescribed a succession of different categories of anti-depressants when an anti-depressant is not effective.
Since a hallmark of MDD is that it is endogenous, psychiatrists know that exogenous forms of depression -- "reactive depression" -- are best treated with a combination of anti-depressant medications and some form of talk therapy. It may not be financially viable for a physician to spend time in psychotherapy with a patient, but psychiatrists typically have a referral network of clinical psychologists or counselors who can offer those services.
Dave Taylor, MD, PhD
That may be true, Doc, but there is a large cadre of psychiatrists, particularly in child psychology, that are diagnosing to match trends and drug protocols rather than treating along traditional lines.
The huge uptick in ADHD is a prime example of this. The drugging of both young boys and girls for any kind of kinetic energy that falls outside the norm and the particular focus on teen boys as a way to temper the rising testosterone balance. Masculinity is not toxic, it just isn't understood by the teachers and administrators in schools, who are primarily women or effete males these days.
Really effective treatment: Giving those boys a lot of time to run around and play during the day.
Mark it on the calendar. Dee said something smart.
Dee said something smart.
Who in the pool had August 2022?
In all seriousness though, it really isn't about being team red or team blue like jeffy and sarc love to falsely characterize it. It is about the fact that they and their buddy White Mike so very rarely say anything that isn't complete horseshit, let alone praiseworthy.
Agreed. And let them fight once in awhile. It is in our make-up and also a way to size each other up. It is normal, not toxic.
Have to disagree. I had my share of schoolyard fights growing up, and the adults in charge should have never let it happen.
Instead, encourage lots of the civilized proxies for fighting: sports, including rough sports.
Especially when the "norm" has drastically changed in the last few decades and runs counter to millions of years of evolution that have conditioned young boys to behave a certain way. You can't just declare that they should behave a particular way and pathologize any deviation from that behavior, but that's precisely what they're trying to do.
Yes, but that is a somewhat different issue. ADHD -- what started off as "minimal brain dysfunction," got re-labeled as hyperactivity, and ended up as several forms of ADHD, is a very recent condition, and the easy treatment with amphetamines driven by parents who imagine a benefit even for kids with no overt symptoms, is in some ways the opposite of major depression, which has been documented for many hundreds of years. Recently the larger push -- I've published on this -- has been for chemical treatment of attention deficit rather than hyperactivity, since enhanced ability to focus and concentrate is seen by parents as a benefit for kids, who even have buying clubs for Ritalin and other performance-enhancing drugs. As long as 40 years ago, William Arney published an excellent critique -- "Medicine and the Management of Living" -- arguing that treatment of "hyperactivity" among other conditions, was a form of social control, not the treatment of an 'illness', echoing Peter Conrad's caution about the medicalization of behavior in 1979. All fun.
There’s a similar highly-accepted logical fallacy about diet and being overweight.
Yes, of course, you can lose weight by taking in fewer calories than your body burns. It is unpleasant and hard to stick with, because you are STARVING yourself.
You can also lose weight by eating more plant-based, whole foods, reducing stress in your life, cutting out refined sugar, alcohol, etc.
I hope Jeffy listens to you.
"You can also lose weight by eating more plant-based, whole foods, reducing stress in your life, cutting out refined sugar, alcohol, etc."
While I generally agree that diet is more important than calories, there are several misnomers in this. I know tons (har har) of overweight vegetarians. Fruit is not substantially different than refined sugar- especially modern fruits that have been genetically selected for their high sugar content.
Again, I don't generally disagree that diet is key, but I refuse to let the Anti-Meat people continue to lie their way through their agenda. Meat is not inherently more or less fattening than equal calories (or volumes) of vegetables and fruit.
Our bodies evolved to get nutrients from meat. We get a lot out of meat beyond just proteins.
Nothing wrong with some meat. It's way too easy to eat massive amounts of it in modern society.
If you eat nothing but potatoes and bread and fruit, you'll likely get fat. If you eat only meat and greens, you will probably lose weight.
Fruit is quite different from refined sugar because the sugar in fruit is consumed with large amounts of fiber and therefore is released slowly.
they also recently found out the alzheimer study blaming plaque in the brains was falsified yet millions have been spent going down that rout based on the initial false study.
lots of science is so fake anymore the only ones i trust are astronomy and geology
I only trust astrology now.
Don’t sleep on Phrenology.
Climastrology is bedrock solid. The science was settled 20-odd years ago.
Psychologists are starting to realize that two majors causes of depression are (a) lack of social connection; (b) the person’s life being depressing.
There was an experiment in England where they took a bunch of chronic depression patients, and simply had them work together on a garden. Did more for them than medicine.
That would make sense. Nothing better than effort being rewarded while also teaching that nothing happens overnight. More of this type of therapy is needed.
What a sense of accomplishment brings to the table is underrated.
Accomplishment, but also they were out in the sun, socializing. They started to form a group of friends who would check on each other and support each other.
That does seem odd. We've known for a long time that, despite the usefulness of drugs that manipulate dopamine, Parkinson's patients don't have a lower whole-body level of it, nor do people with certain psychiatric conditions have a whole-body excess of it.
Our #Resistance allies at Vox have done excellent work proving #DeathSantis is responsible for monkeypox.
How the US monkeypox response is failing queer men
When gay men spread diseases at their bathhouse orgies, it means society has failed them. 🙁
#LGBTQIA+
Sinema exemplifies OBL's 1st law.
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/sinema-signs-reconciliation-bill-after-dems-agree-protect-private-equity-billionaires
LOL
#VoteDemocratToHelpBillionaires
That was disappointing by her. I thought she would hold.
This bill is terrible all around.
Monkeypox is a pubic health emergency.
YOU MUST WEAR THE RIBBON!
We can shut down the world economy and all social interaction for two years to prevent people from getting the sniffles, but it's a human rights violation to pause the gay bathhouse orgies.
Because stopping orgies affects Them, not the plebs.
Friggin' hilarious. Complaining that they have to take care of themselves because the government won't.
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Yes, I agree, something funky about this seratonin research.
Licking case: Right result but jail sentence is 'cruel and unusual punishment' and accomplishes nothing that a $1,000 fine and community service won't accomplish.
For a joke?
this.
didnt sound like a joke to me... just some idiot wanting to cause trouble.
Bullshit.
And still that would be excessive. The proper judgement would have been to tell the defendant that what he did was immature, but kinda funny, then throw the case out of court.
Wtf is happening?
It must be a trap.
Someone has hacked Dee and made a couple reasonable comments. That’s the only reasonable explanation.
Has anyone bothered to check the temperature in Hell? Michael Hihn, help us out...
wasn't funny at all - but definitely showed his immaturity
"Businesses are getting older," notes The Atlantic.
Nothing wrong with that. Reason.com's benefactor Charles Koch is 86 years young and remains as mentally sharp as Joe Biden.
#BillionairesKnowBest
https://hotair.com/john-s-2/2022/08/04/ny-times-say-this-influx-of-migrants-to-washington-dc-is-quite-taxing-n487543
I guess illegal aliens are a burden on the social services of the places they go. How can this be? Reason has informed me for years that only dirty, lazy, American citizens ever use welfare and social services. Immigrants never do. They come here to do all of these jobs that "Americans won't do" and run food trucks of course.
It is almost as if Reason has been lying all of these years or something.
Does lying include pre-conceived partisan ignorance?
The issue of whether some people are lying or really are that stupid is something I ponder quite frequently. Effectively, it makes no difference but I can't help but wonder which it is.
"The only difference between stupidity and ignorance is that the later involves a choice."
Me - just now
Where can I buy your bumper sticker?
Illlegal immigrants certainly pay their way in taxes and support us natives with their hard work. Joe Friday and Mike Liarson both can support this "Fact"
Man, look at all those start-up businesses just waiting to get on the buses. What's the problem again?
Food truck industry about to go off, fam.
They come here to do all of these jobs that "Americans won't do"
Then D.C. is the place to be. They can hire on as ICE employees.
Or congress critters
"This is purely a state case," Reinan pointed out. "Minnesota has a Human Rights Act that prevents discrimination of various kinds, including sex discrimination and sex is defined to also include issues relating to pregnancy and childbirth. So the pharmacist in this case, cannot claim his federal constitutional right to freedom of religion, because he's being sued under a state law that guarantees women the right to not be discriminated against in pregnancy and childbirth."
Uhm, bullshit. That's like saying states can pass laws that prevent blacks from sitting in the front of the bus, and there's no federal remedy. John Reinan, of the Minnesota Star Tribune, is full of shit. And he's probably too politically motivated to realize that he's full of shit.
Has the author of that quote not heard of the Supremacy Clause? That is the dumbest comment on a legal issue I have read in a very long while.
You don't even need to hear about the supremacy clause, you just need a bit of critical thinking. Since when do "federal" constitutional rights end at the state border?
Since never. If states could nullify federal constitutional rights, they wouldn't be federal or rights. They would just be advisories. God what an idiot.
No, since July 9, 1868. Sect 1 of 14th Amendment.
I have to question why ENB quoted this guy. Are we supposed to recognize how stupid that is on its face? But she framed this as an attack on contraception instead of an attack on religious freedom, so it seems she might agree with that. How fucking insane is it that she MAY think the US constitution doesn't apply in the states.
ENB didn't start her career on the Hooker beat because she is a deep thinker. I am just saying.
She’s a progressive propagandist.
There was an interesting case awhile back, I read at Reason, about allowing Federal lawsuits to proceed before all State claims were exhausted. Can't remember the details though, maybe jog someone else's memory.
It is ridiculous for a state court to proceed as if the state exists in a vacuum. A judge allowing this to continue is just wasting everybody's time. Except the lawyers, of course. The lawyers are racking up billable hours.
Wow, I sure hope he's not an Expert on the matter.
Apparently he was "Expert" enough that he was interviewed on Minnesota's NPR about the issue. I wonder if they thought about interviewing any first year law student instead.
"And he's probably too politically motivated to realize that he's full of shit."
Give Reinan more credit. He probably knows he is full of shit, but thinks that his shit smells really, really good.
Are you trying to call sqrlsy? Cuz that’s how you call sqrlsy.
She just quoted the guy. Do you ever consider changing your handle to An Overthinking Mind? 🙂
Mike is confused by what selection bias is and why a journalists selections can demonstrate their bias.
But she didn't signal that she disagreed with this obvious bullshit even slightly. When ENB disagrees with someone she's quoting, she tends to put in a line. Like when she disagreed with the idea that talking shit online counts as biological terrorism, she added this:
Posting something stupid—and untrue—about a diseased cousin licking groceries apparently counts as a major incident of terrorism now.
Clearly showed her feelings on the matter. She didn't note that the person talking about Minnesota law was completely full of shit on how the 14th Amendment works. Beyond that, it's not like she's quoting the lawyer representing the client, where you quote them to get their side; she's quoting an outside observer as if to lend some authority to the quote.
I honestly don't get why she shared what he said unless she finds it somehow convincing.
"When ENB disagrees with someone she's quoting, she tends to put in a line."
So, she has to follow this pattern without exception, or we can assume you agrees with whomever she is quoting.
Do you think she's in favor or against denying certain contraceptives based on religious belief? Just start with that.
I'm certain she's against denying contraceptives, but that is based on reading OTHER things she has written. Just going by the quote you brought up, it wouldn't be possible to conclude anything about her views.
Do you imagine ENB randomly picks stories out of a hat for the roundup Dee?
"A civil case underway in Minnesota asks whether a pharmacist has a right to refuse to sell someone birth control."
If he won't sell it to anybody, is that discrimination? He's treating everyone equally.
The whole thing smacks of insane overreach, initially brought by prosecutors to send a message in a time of heightened tension and paranoia. Perez's actions may have been misguided or irresponsible, but it seems like a dangerous development to classify them as criminal—and a matter for FBI investigation and federal prison, no less.
Yeah, who could have possibly predicted that the federal government waging war on "misinformation" might actually lead to overreach?
Not the self-styled "libertarians" at Reason, obviously. They were too busy cheering it on since it was the "wrong type of people" making such claims.
Breaking News: My dog heard a doorbell ring on the TV, and has spent 20 minutes howling at the front door.
Gotta protect that pack.
Has he heard a doorbell ring since?
Good point.
Did he salivate?
My house was buzzed by a F-14 (or F-16, whichever the navy uses) flying much lower than usual. My dog did not appreciate it.
No shit? No idea what it was, but some type of jet flew really low over my house two nights ago. Sounded like it was low enough it was crashing, but kept going.
Navy uses F-18s and F-35s; if it was the latter, I can understand why your dog got pissed, because those things are loud as fuck.
My buddy lives near Hill Air Force Base, and we have to shut up and wait whenever one of the F-35s does a flyover, whenever we're talking on the phone.
I assume it was F18, because 2 days ago elsewhere on the island it happened and I caught sight of it. Didn't have the profile of a F35 (which AFAIK has a different wing shape). Didn't catch sight of it this morning.
Fighter jets aren't an uncommon sight here. But the one today and 2 days ago weren't the norm. Usually they're in pairs, or even quartets, and flying fairly high (sound usually lasts 6-10 seconds, pretty small to the eye). But these last 2 were solo flights, flying low. I could see it the other day, several times bigger to the naked eye than they usually are. I think the one today was the same because in both cases there was no sound, then extremely loud for 2 or 3 seconds, then no fade out really.
Years ago, in the vicinity of Dobbins AFB, I caught a F22 testing some sort of electronic (weapon presumably). There was a pinging when it flew over that I still haven't heard again.
Research challenges theory that depression stems from low serotonin levels.
This is common knowledge to anyone who has done any research whatsoever on the over-prescription of SSRIs and the utter useless of psychiatrists.
But the big pharma corporations made billions and billions selling what are pretty clearly useless antidepressant medications. Sure, no one was helped and a lot of people harmed. A bunch of CEOs and various other important cronies got enormously rich. And isn't that what the whole thing is all about?
Same thing regarding most of the literature on cholesterol medication. So loosely correlated that there is a question if most of those drugs actively do anything. They've now tied other more important factors such as BMI to high cholesterol as a precursor to medication. Because controlling for solely cholesterol no longer seems to be significant.
They had my dad on high cholesterol medicine and he said the side effects were awful. After a couple of months, he stopped taking them. He ended up feeling better and losing weight and exercising a bit more and bringing his cholesterol down some any way.
Theyve tried having me on them since I was 16 despite playing HS and college sports at a fairly low BMI. They cause headaches, irritability, and sinus issues. They never effected my cholesterol levels. Went off them by age 21. New doctor put me back on them, same results. Side effects and no effect on levels. She finally realized they had a negative benefit. She cited they failed as I didn't trip the BMI metrics so I didn't need them. Started laughing and asked how BMI effects chemistry when it is just a measurement of fat mass. But she only switched when they did nothing to my levels.
As an aside, the only thing that seems to work is increasing the HDL levels for me with omega 3 pills. Have no problem taking those.
There is usually a natural or food based remedy that works far better than a prescribed med.
I was on the verge of having my dog put down after she viciously attacked my wife. She was on doggie tranqs which made her a sleepy asshole but a crazy asshole when she came down. Finally got her on Prozac and the difference has been dramatic. She's fun, sweet and likeable. No more feral bullshit. Don't know about depression but the shit literally saved my dog's life.
Good morning Peanuts! This is your daily reminder not to trust wingnut.com sites that recently decided "recession" is defined as "consecutive quarters of GDP contraction." When you're a successful liberal capitalist like me you know when GDP is relevant (2020) and when it's meaningless (right now). The Biden economy is in fact the strongest ever.
#TemporarilyFillingInForButtplug
Republicans ought to pass a House rule next session that members must bring a gun to work or be fined.
Telling lies to get people to take covid serious is something Fauci does eveyday.
It seems like most of the media helped out in this regard during most of 2020.
Elitism 101: lying is for experts.
He should have known that only the government is allowed to use fear to get what they want, among other things.
It is insane overreach! It's not like he walked around DC while being republican
An important medical research article was published recently that definitively undermines the therapeutic efficacy of SSRI (select serotonin reuptake inhibitors) pharmaceutical agents for treating depression. One could say it was an early example of the COVID vaccine mania that still inflicts fear or complete allegiance in people depending on the demographic. Eli Lilly brought to market in the late 1980s the first commercially successful SSRI known as Prozac. Pfizer followed with their SSRI, Zoloft, and Glaxo SmithKline with their SSRI, Paxil. Soon the market was flooded with various SSRI drugs. Seeing how commercially successful these drugs were for big pharma, they stopped investing monies in R n D in depression.
All bunk. All extremely profitable for Big Pharma measured in billions of dollars annually till today.
When I was single and dated, I would dump anyone who told me they were taking an SSRI. These agents became a crutch for consumers, and they swore their survival depended on taking these drugs. I never bought it, given that generations prior to these agents, people like my parents made it through life without such drugs. Same for me.
It will be interesting to see if SSRIs will now be abandoned by psychiatrists and primary care physicians, who largely prescribe these agents. Patients likely will demand them just like the COVID booster hysteria. But with a population forced to realize their "medically necessary" drug is neither, we should brace for more snowflakes melting in society.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41380-022-01661-0
The serotonin theory of depression: a systematic umbrella review of the evidence
A link between lowered serotonin and depression was first suggested in the 1960s [1], and widely publicised from the 1990s with the advent of the Selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitor (SSRI) antidepressants [2,3,4]. Although it has been questioned more recently [5, 6], the serotonin theory of depression remains influential, with principal English language textbooks still giving it qualified support [7, 8], leading researchers endorsing it [9,10,11], and much empirical research based on it [11,12,13,14]. Surveys suggest that 80% or more of the general public now believe it is established that depression is caused by a ‘chemical imbalance’ [15, 16]. Many general practitioners also subscribe to this view [17] and popular websites commonly cite the theory [18].
The main areas of serotonin research provide no consistent evidence of there being an association between serotonin and depression, and no support for the hypothesis that depression is caused by lowered serotonin activity or concentrations. Some evidence was consistent with the possibility that long-term antidepressant use reduces serotonin concentration.
Perez's actions may have been misguided or irresponsible, but it seems like a dangerous development to classify them as criminal—and a matter for FBI investigation and federal prison, no less.
"Oh, very well. My cousin had *monkeypox* and *handled* the veggies."
Don't say gay!
Also, anyone who refuses to eat those veggies is homophobic.
Is that zucchini in your pocket or are you just happy to see me?
"Suck the (pustule-ridden) girldick, or you're a bigot!"
Meanwhile, excellent article exploring the fact that Senate republicans who failed to vote to convict Trump on impeachment almost certainly knew what the Jan 6 committee is now exposing about Trump's pathetic and traitorous attempt to stay in power.
"..The idea that the tiny network of the nation’s top Republicans were not circulating the ghastly details of Trump’s actions beginning on Election Day defies credulity.
Of course they would have known about the pressure Pence was under, surely by late December. Not only were these discussions happening all over town, but Pence himself was out and about seeking counsel, asking various Republicans if they could see any way out for him. If Dan Quayle knew what was going on from his house 600 miles away in Indiana, then Mitch McConnell and Ted Cruz and the rest of the Republican Senate caucus must have known what was happening a mile from their offices.
But they had secrets to keep until the Senate runoffs in Georgia January 5. Mitch McConnell was only willing to say that overturning the election “would damage our Republic forever” after he’d lost his position as majority leader. To slightly invert Churchill, McConnell was given the choice of defeat or dishonor. He chose dishonor. And then he got defeat in the bargain, anyway....
Senate Republicans’ refusal to convict Trump for insurrection has not only invited future crises, but has permanently disemboweled impeachment as a constitutional mechanism. If the attempt to overturn democracy isn’t a convictable offense, then literally nothing is...."
https://www.thebulwark.com/the-distinct-shame-of-senate-republicans/
Senate Republicans’ refusal to convict Trump for insurrection has not only invited future crises, but has permanently disemboweled impeachment as a constitutional mechanism. If the attempt to overturn democracy isn’t a convictable offense, then literally nothing is...."
And thanks to being able to run against an incumbent who is literally a walking dead man who wonders around shaking hands with people who are not there, Trump is the odds on favorite to win the Presidency again in 2024.
Rather than argue with your pathetic lies, I will just laugh at you. Had you not stolen the election and just let Trump win, you would have had four years of Trump as a lame duck with a hostile Congress and a public who had grown tired of him. Instead, you had to put Biden in. Thanks to that, you are going to get four more years of Trump in 24 only this time with a friendly Congress and a public who will be happy to have him back having seen the alternative for the last four years.
Suck it loser. It makes me happy you have convinced yourself it was an insurrection. It will just make your tears in the coming years that much more bitter for you and sweeter for the rest of us.
Maybe Joe Friday should take an SSRI and get another booster. Adding Paxlovid might be icing on the cake!
The existence of the progressive trolls on this board is very strong evidence that the currently used psychiatric drugs are not effective.
"The existence of the progressive trolls..."
No need to be kind "assholes" does better.
Asshole Joe should drink bleach.
I'll have some of what he's smoking.
Do not engage Joe Asshole; simply reply with insults.
Not a one of his posts is worth refuting; like turd he lies and never does anything other than lie. If something in one of Joe Asshole’s posts is not a lie, it is there by mistake. Joe Asshole lies; it's what he does.
Joe Asshole is a psychopathic liar; he is too stupid to recognize the fact, but everybody knows it. You might just as well attempt to reason with or correct a random handful of mud as engage Joe Asshole.
Do not engage Joe Asshole; simply reply with insults; Joe Asshole deserves nothing other.
Eat shit and die, Asshole
Joe Friday is dumber than a box of rocks. He is just reiterating prepared lefty talking points. It is worse than useless to argue with him and I would really like to see some other engaging in creative insults.
Like this - Joe Friday is an old demented sack of wet shit. A burlap sack that, even if it gets tossed out, leaves a disgusting shit-stain wherever it was plopped.
"He is just reiterating prepared lefty talking points. It is worse than useless to argue with him"
This has been apparent from day one. But it's kind of funny when it loses it and just starts swearing and calling people names. It should do more of that.
I think self medicating is probably part of your problem
https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/public_surveys/biden_vs_trump_guess_who_wins_rematch
Six points shit head. Six points. That is an enormous lead. And it isn't going to get any better. Biden isn't going to get any smarter, less senile, or less corrupt. He certainly isn't going to get more popular.
Every Biden poll is average, worse than the last one but better than the next one. Suck it you ignorant piece of shit.
What makes you think the left/globalists will allow that to happen?
Yeah, if you think TDS was bad in 2020, wait for 2024.
There haven't been any consequences for all the shit they pulled in 2020 (covid, blmantifa, election), not to mention russiagate.
There's no reason to change their approach.
We're doing build back better and the great reset right now. You think they'd let an election derail that effort?
Lol. This is parody right?
Democrats committed gross abuses of the impeachment mechanism and the rule of law in the US by attempting to impeach Trump twice, based on fabricated evidence and nonsensical assertions. Democrats attacked our democratic form of government.
But fear not, you can be sure that Republicans have learned their lessons and will now use the impeachment mechanism to tie up future Democratic administrations in knots.
"the main areas of serotonin research provide no consistent evidence of there being an association between serotonin and depression, [but] evidence was consistent with the possibility that long-term antidepressant use reduces serotonin concentration."
WTF? Guess I'll have to RTFA!
With the decades spent on anti depressants and new alzheimer research being shown to be bunk, we should blindly trust medical testing from corporations at the behest of government immediately for things like covid.
Ex-smokers say they may return to cigarettes if Juul is banned.
"That'll show 'em!!"
Which one is taxed more heavily?
The Law of Unintended Consequences. Or perhaps better put, the Law of Ignored Consequences. If just one person stops vaping Juul that's all that matters. Don't even think about the thousands that will go back to tobacco or switch to home made vape products.
"When the FBI showed up at his door soon thereafter, Perez apologized and told them he had only been "shit talking." He said his motive was trying to get people to take San Antonio's stay-at-home order seriously."
So, if lying to promote compliance with pandemic restrictions is a crime, where do we start?
Eight thumbs up.
"I learned it from *Fauci*, OK?!"
How much longer until the US arrests someone for causing anxiety over a meme like in the UK?
"Officer! Officer! I got the vapors!"
Already happened a couple years ago. Forgot the guy's name. Mackey?
Yep. Douglass Mackey, aka Ricky Vaughn
https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/trump-supporting-white-nationalist-and-social-media-influencer-charged-with-conspiracy-and-election-interference/
Democracy dies from liberty.
"One might assume that a "true threat" requires an intent to actually carry out said threat, but it does not."
Good to know that "true" now means imaginary.
I would rate that comment doubleplusgood, except for the fact that it implies that true has not always meant imaginary, which, of course, it always has. This is, after all, for the permanent record that is the internet.
"Research challenges theory that depression stems from low serotonin levels."
Duh. The staff at Reason has demonstrated that depression stems from low levels of immigration, weed, and ass sex.
I thought the lesson was that you can solve depression just by redefining the word "depression".
Nice! And please change the term to, say, "mood fluidity" or something less triggering.
Is it no long two consecutive days of negative feels?
For a moment I read that as "depression stems from low levels of imagination" which I thought was a very astute observation.
"A civil case underway in Minnesota asks whether a pharmacist has a right to refuse to sell someone birth control."
But what about cakes?
I'm not a psychiatrist or a psychologist but I know that a lot of people are depressed because their life sucks. Some people whose life sucks are not depressed because there is not a large differential between their life expectations and their life results. Some people whose life objectively does NOT suck are depressed because there is a large differential between their life expectations and their life results. None of this has anything to do with brain chemistry (except to the extent that being depressed because of circumstances, can itself cause certain brain chemicals, an opposite direction causation flow from the serotonin deficiency hypothesis).
This really isn't rocket science (which I do not understand at all) and is the 10 millionth example of you don't have to be a credentialed expert to understand and analyze certain things that are within normal human experience. Like, say, gender.
A whole lot of life is about expectations. There are people living in subsistence level poverty who are by any definition happy and people who are multimillionaires who are so depressed they kill themselves. As you say, some people are depressed because their life sucks. If you lose your wife of 20 years to cancer or have some other life altering misfortune, you are going to be pretty depressed about it. Those people need to figure out a way to put whatever happened to them behind them. In many cases, people in such circumstances are depressed because being happy makes them feel guilty. If for example, your loved one just died a painful death, being happy about anything feels horrible. I am here happy and they are dead. No amount of telling yourself "but they would want me to be happy" really helps. People can eventually get over it but sometimes they don't. I have known people who lost young children and frankly I am not sure they ever lived a happy day in their life again. I can't say I blame them or can offer any good solution to that.
Other people are just depressed because they choose to be. The circumstances of their life does not matter. They always find a way to be disappointed and unsatisfied with how things are. If there is anything the drives that sort of depression, my guess would be loneliness. The breakup of the nuclear family and the death of large extended families has not made us happier. We are social creatures and crave love and acceptance by others. If you don't get that, we never feel secure, happy or at peace.
I do think people, especially younger people, suffer from a coddled snowflake effect, and even worse, from a cultivated sense of despair. When young people are asked over and over if they feel bad, and also told that feeling bad is "normal", we should expect them to at least tend towards dysfunction. Combine that with institutional apocalyptic politics and I am surprised that the increase in suicides is not even greater.
Young people have no perspective on things. How could they? They haven't experienced anything yet. When you are toddler, the first time you stub your toe is an awful experience. It is never happened to you before. How do you know that the pain isn't going to kill you? The first time a girl dumps you or the first time one of your friends betrays you, it feels like the end of the world. You have had the experience and recovered from it. So, you don't understand that it will get better over time and what happens to you in the 9th grade really doesn't mean jack. Today, I understand that what happened to me in the 9th grade didn't mean much of anything when judged over the rest of my life and even that some of the things I thought were bad were really good. In the 9th grade, I didn't know that. I didn't have that perspective and it seemed pretty awful.
Today it seems like parents are not trying to impart any sense of perspective into kids. Teenage suicides are way up. That is just kids who think the problems they have are permanent because their parents have never taught them any perspective. Also, parents over coddle their kids and convince them that life is supposed to be perfect. The kids never learn how to fail. Part of being a parent is letting kids fail and learn how to overcome it. Yeah, that is hard because you can't just let the kid do anything. You have to let them fail in ways that wont' harm them long term. But you have to do it. If you don't, and many parents are not, when the kid does face real failure, they won't know how to handle it.
Part of that also is this bizarre idea that life is supposed to be fair. I don't care who you are, at some point something horribly unfair is going to happen to you and there will be nothing you can do about it. Some people have that something happen to them the day they are born because of the circumstances they are born and who their parents are. Some people are like me and live a charmed life and it doesn't happen until are older. But it happens to everyone. And the current generation seems to have very little capacity to deal with such things or overcome them.
It isnt just perspective. Parents are making excuses and not challenging their kids to strive or work hard to accomplish anything.
Schools are constantly lowering expectations while praising kids for nominal output. Feelings of accomplishment are huge drivers of happiness.
Feelings of accomplishment are huge drivers of happiness.
Yes they are, especially when they are false. They just create unrealistic expectations.
If you have not read it, I suggest The Coddling of the American Mind, by Lukianoff and Haidt. They are simultaneously critical of recent culture and dedicated to helping kids.
'Fears about polio are spreading, as polio is "detected in wastewater samples taken in several locations and at different times in two counties north of New York City."'
Kids, stop drinking out of the toilet.
I agree that prison time for a joke about licking supermarket broccoli while contagious with COVID is ridiculous. That is an emotional gut reaction, however. It is useful to determine what the proper standard ought to be. Consider two extreme examples:
Joke: "I put anthrax on the broccoli at the supermarket. You've been warned!" Crime or no crime?
Joke: "I sneezed on the broccoli at the supermarket. You've been warned!" Crime or no crime?
The latter clearly should not be a crime. The former probably should be a crime. What is the dividing line?
The latter clearly should not be a crime.
If it were that clear, we wouldn't be in this mess.
I am trying to describe what ought to be, not what is.
What about the dividing line being between crimes that bring jail time, and crimes that bring probation/fines?
This can all be analogized to a "crime" that has occurred since there were telephones -- fake bomb scares being called in. How have those been treated, historically? Seems entirely the same thing, panicking the public but no actual physical threat.
Okay, sure. But using telephones, there is a difference between a "fake bomb threat" and a prank. I would argue that what this guy did is closer to a prank than a fake bomb threat. Pranks are rude but they shouldn't be illegal.
What if I said that I had poisoned two bottles of Advil somewhere in the city I lived and this became known to the public? People would refuse to buy Advil out of abundance of caution and all of the existing bottles would have to be thrown away and lots of other second order bad effects would occur. I think that would be a crime or should be a crime.
Pranks that are done maliciously and cause damage have always been a crime. It is a crime to pull the fire alarms when there isn't a fire. It is a crime to make a false 911 call for example. Yeah, both of those things are jokes but they are jokes that are done maliciously and have real world negative consequences for others.
I bet you wouldn't think this jackass was so sympathetic if you owned a grocery store and had all of your customers suddenly become too scared to buy anything at your store.
We could outlaw lying, and start chopping off fingers for each transgression.
I wonder what the Congressional cafeteria would look like?
Lying maliciously to cause harm is a crime. What is fraud other than lying? I don't harm anyone physically when I defraud you. I just take your money by lying. Do you think fraud shouldn't be a crime?
fraud is one man's lack of diligence.
So is walking through a dangerous neighborhood at night by yourself. That, however, doesn't make the person who robs you any less of a criminal.
Fraud is punishable specifically to inspire trust. It one of the few honest roles of government. When fraud is not punished, trade necessitates pointing guns at each other during the transaction.
"Lying maliciously to cause harm is a crime."
Depends how specific the lie is.
Shhhh....Don't give Misek any ideas.
"We could outlaw lying" Calling Rob Misek.
I bet you wouldn't think this jackass was so sympathetic if you owned a grocery store and had all of your customers suddenly become too scared to buy anything at your store.
If one could demonstrate that there was some tangible harm to the store in question as a result of the prank, then yes I think that would be of more concern and more possibly something that should be illegal.
But in this case, was there any harm caused to the store as a result of the prank? I don't think so. So in this case that isn't even an issue.
was there any harm caused to the store as a result of the prank? I don't think so.
Again, it was a lie which the poster admitted in open court was intended to influence people he did not know. That is not in the same wheelhouse as a prank. And you started out calling it a joke. This is why you constantly get accused of shifting the goalposts. Because you do.
There was a case last week where a guy posted a meme about police shooting COVID victims with the hashtag #weneedyoubradpitt. That was a joke. Learn the difference.
"Prank" and "Joke" are colloquially used as synonyms. Don't be a pedantic asshole.
In my view, it's a prank, not a serious threat.
"Prank" and "Joke" are colloquially used as synonyms
What the fuck is your point? It wasn't either. He admitted in court that it was a lie to convince people to stay away from the store. If I were being pedantic, I would point out that it couldn't possibly be a threat as it was presented as something that was already done.
Anything else you want to lie about? Or do you just want to hook up a tow truck and haul those goalposts out of my view?
You have lost and refuse to concede a bad argument. You continually prove to be irredeemable.
Hey, Jeff, how about the proud worker who has monkey pox and handles broccoli? Crime? Or is it a crime to tell your neighbors about it and advise them not to buy broccoli?
Did the worker knowingly spread monkeypox via broccoli maliciously? That would be closer to illegal I would think.
From a libertarian perspective, even if the worker wasn't malicious but unintentionally spread monkeypox, or any disease, I would think that if anyone got sick they would have grounds to file a tort against the worker and the store for negligently permitting the unhealthy conditions in the first place.
2 years ago, you told me that refusing to wear a mask outside was a violation of the NAP. Now, paying someone to lick groceries is not? Why? Because the guy was lying to scare people about COVID, just like you always do?
Go fuck yourself, jeffy. You just never give up on a bad line of reasoning.
Now, paying someone to lick groceries is not? Why?
If he had actually paid someone to lick groceries then perhaps we can have a discussion of whether he violated the NAP or not. But he didn't. That is what this entire controversy is about.
So lying and telling someone you violated the NAP is not a violation of the NAP. Not even you can believe that bullshit.
What if you lied about there being a scene in Snow White involving the dwarves gang raping her, and as a result sales of the movie plummeted?
What then, hmmm?
You disingenuous cunt. Neither of those things are a joke when you name a specific supermarket in your post. It is a lie that has a direct economic impact on a guiltless victim. It is libel and there is no reason it cannot be criminalized as a deterrent.
Why would an actual joke about anthrax be more criminal than any other joke? You are the worst.
It is a lie that has a direct economic impact on a guiltless victim
Were there any economic damages to the store in this case?
Whoever reported the incident to the FBI seemed to think so. That may very well have been the manager at the HEB.
We have no idea who reported what to the FBI. From the case documents:
An unknown member of the public
reported the first post to law enforcement.
Also from the case documents:
There is no indication that Perez’s posts caused public panic.
So again what economic harm did the store suffer here?
Sigh. I can't even.
I will just point out that it is a core principle of Alinsky-style Marxism that you never lose if you never concede.
Ariana recorded herself licking a donut and putting it back on the shelf. There were no consequences, but no covid. Nothing more than dick cheese on her tongue.
Yeah, that is rude but not criminal.
Holy shit! It is absolutely criminal. She intentionally destroyed the baker's goods without providing compensation. You just can't abandon even the stupidest line of argument.
Okay you are right on that part - she damaged store property. Sure. Sounds like a misdemeanor type of offense.
Sounds like a misdemeanor type of offense.
You utterly lose an argument, and so you marginalize the victory on the way out the door. You really are the worst.
"Research challenges theory that depression stems from low serotonin levels. For a long time, depression has been characterized as a lack of the neurotransmitter serotonin."
I keep seeing this in various news stories over the past 2 weeks. I see several commenters above also mentioning it. If there is any such belief, it is primarily among the laypers. Healthcare professionals (maybe I'll qualify that a bit, MDs/DOs) would not refer to depression or the SSRI drugs as "correcting a chemical imbalance" or "a lack of serotonin". That is not what is taught or discussed. SSRIs inhibit presynaptic serotonin reuptake - that much is clear. After that, the exact mechanism is not clear but the drugs are usually helpful for people with significant depression/anxiety.
TL:DR- These headlines are more about laypersons/public not understanding what we do and do not know about SSRIs.
Bingo. It also explains why Big Pharma made billions on SSRIs. It was characterized as a "chemical imbalance" and lay folks could wrap their heads around that.
Life is complicated. There is no magic pill to make the blues go away. You are either engaged or not. Your choice in how to address. I have found vigorous exercise is a far better and more effective tx for depression. That and clean nutrition. If patients want more, I tell them to see a psychiatrist.
This is pretty much old news. Here is an article from 2014 shooting down the serotonin theory and pointing out anti-depressants have pretty much the same effect as placebo.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25279271/
"...In this case, the pharmacist in question "may perhaps not have been as aggressive as he might have been in helping her find other options," the Star Tribune's John Reinan told Minnesota Public Radio..."
This would be funny if someone wasn't dealing with the courts over the issue.
I guess the druggist should have called an Uber...
It’s hard to find pharmacies.
It is in San Fran now that many CVSs have been shuttered due to the robberies.
The FBI is monitoring social media and arresting people for threats. You have to know that they have agents deliberately inciting people because there is no other way to explain the shit-all-stupid that Joe Friday posts.
Go on any "conservative" comment board and there will be people there saying that everyone should stop voting and political violence is the only answer. I would be very surprised if even half of those posters are legit. The majority are no doubt FBI or some liberal group hoping to incite such violence.
many are probably kids like on most message boards
That is a good guess as well.
Half of them are shrike.
Yes, yes - voting is the way. No matter how fortified.
JFC, people. You can't even see traditionally AMERICAN responses without dismissing out of hand the idea of actually fighting for your life.
Oh well, guess globalist totalitarianism it is. Sure as hell can't talk about anything other than asking literal fucking cancer to please be nice.
Be wise as serpents. There may come a time, maybe soon, when people need to defend themselves and their nation. But idiot rhetoric right now only alienates sympathizers and hands power to fascists.
cute how 30 years of misdiagnosed antidepressant prescriptions fucked with humankind ... is Rod Serling level irony
the kid said an illegal action was made, not just a threat, that was terrorist in nature and could have caused a panic no matter how small. I have no problem with his arrest and sentence. Anyone else remember when some products were tampered with and now all capped products have multiple seals to get thru. Would you buy produce at a store if someone said they just pissed all over the produce aisle. no you wouldn't.
So people can stop shopping there, the store can review their security footage, and then sue his ass for fraud, tortious interference, or some other civil offense. The feds pursuing this dude criminally and getting such a draconian sentence is massive overreach and creates dangerous precedent in the bullshit War on "Misinformation".
And that's putting aside the fact that it is long established that COVID does not spread through surface contact, anyway.
He was joking.
“the kid” is 40, ron. He definitely deserves a good ass kicking at least for getting through his youth and still being so stupid.
Bringing in the feds is probably overboard tho.
>>motive was trying to get people to take San Antonio's stay-at-home order seriously.
every government employee also guilty.
^
More lawmakers want to regulate cryptocurrency.
Cryptocurrency regulates itself. Thanks anyway.
"He was sentenced to 15 months in prison and a $1,000 fine for spreading false information related to a biological weapon."
So Communist China has attacked the USA with a weapon of mass destruction?
Why weren't we told earlier?
For those of you who get the PLF's ( https://pacificlegal.org/ ) news letter, you have just been informed that the CA Universities now require a 'diversity statement' from new hires.
Guessing they'll have self-criticism meetings in the not too distant future.
Can't wait for the struggle sessions for tenured staff who never made the diversity declarations!
That's some nice marketing with a very prominent DONATE button. When will the world be truly safe again!!
A man who lied on Facebook about paying someone with COVID to lick items at a grocery store is not protected by the First Amendment...
You knew there was a drug war carve out to the Bill of Rights, but did you know there's a COVID exemption as well?
Research challenges theory that depression stems from low serotonin levels.
Big Pharm was so focused on the lucrative vaccine information market that it lost its grip on other areas.
A civil case underway in Minnesota asks whether a pharmacist has a right to refuse to sell someone birth control.
"I will sell you condoms but I'm not going to write gay-affirming speech on them!"
The Justice Department has filed charges against four Kentucky cops involved in the 2020 death of Breonna Taylor.
They sure do like to limit their justice seeking to the cause célèbre.
Ex-smokers say they may return to cigarettes if Juul is banned.
Lol. As if the tobacco industry didn't engineer this whole thing.
There's no such thing as taking the pulse of our body politic.
The rise and fall of the populist?
Fears about polio are spreading...
Ha. Of course it is.
I can't imagine what 2030 is going to look like.
The UN can tell you
You will own nothing and be happy.
But is polio spreading?
And it's not just the boss; the whole workplace is getting older too.
Fucking time, how does it work?
Depends how fast you're going
Smart dad joke.
More lawmakers want to regulate cryptocurrency.
Cryptocurrency here is a variable that can be literally anything except themselves.
What’s up with the tardiness today?
Fist of Etiquette
August.5.2022 at 12:18 pm
Fucking time, how does it work?
LOL
Lol.
lol is like the whole fucking thread is upside down
I GOT SHIT TO DO
Hmm.
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/anger-ukraines-backers-after-damning-amnesty-report-spotlights-human-shields
Amnesty International has in a surprise shift placed its human rights scrutiny on Ukraine in a fresh report released Thursday. It immediately sparked a firestorm of criticism as both Western pundits and Kiev officials themselves blasted the findings as "unfair".
The Amnesty report said investigators had "found evidence of Ukrainian forces launching strikes from within populated residential areas, as well as basing themselves in civilian buildings in 19 towns and villages" in three war-torn regions of the country from April through July.
The report detailed that schools and hospitals, as well as people's homes, were put in harm's way, suggesting 'human shields' type tactics utilized by the Ukrainian military.
"Such tactics violate international humanitarian law and endanger civilians, as they turn civilian objects into military targets. The ensuing Russian strikes in populated areas have killed civilians and destroyed civilian infrastructure," Amnesty continued, saying this resulted in Russian attacks on said civilian infrastructure.
The report detailed further that in 22 of 29 schools visited by an Amnesty team between April and July, investigators found evidence of prior military activity. Additionally, five instances of Ukrainian troops using hospitals as bases were documented. The report went so far as to stress Amnesty was "not aware" of instances where Ukrainian troops first tried to evacuate civilians from these locations.
Despite being under pressure to refrain from investigating the Ukrainian side and to not criticize it for human rights abuses, Secretary General of Amnesty International Agnès Callamard said in releasing the report:
"Being in a defensive position does not exempt the Ukrainian military from respecting international humanitarian law."
Naturally, that so respected a premier human rights organization based in the West condemned these practices of the Ukrainian army resulted in backlash from Kiev leaders, as well as some Western pundits who went so far as to level the usual "Putin-sympathizers!" charge...
Putin got to Amnesty International!
So many have fallen under his evil spell.
Sanctions fail?
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/why-west-easing-its-sanctions-russia
What all this effectively amounts to is an admission that sanctions against Russia are not working too well in their intended way and are instead hurting or threatening to hurt third parties not involved in the Ukraine conflict.
There's more, too. While the EU tweaks its sanctions to allow the trade of more Russian oil in order to avoid another spike in oil prices, the UK is hesitant to join the block in its oil insurance ban on Russian vessels. The UK's participation in the insurance squeeze is essential because of the market share British-based insurers hold in shipping insurance and yet they are stalling.
A recent Financial Times report on the topic suggests this might have something to do with the UK's big geopolitical brother and its concern about oil prices. The U.S., unlike the EU and its embargo, has opted for an alternative way of trying to reduce Russia's oil income: price caps. The UK, Canada, Germany, Japan, France, and Italy have agreed to pursue this cap.
Judging by the latest news from the G7 camp, however, the cap is not moving ahead as planned. A lot of people - analysts, shipping industry insiders, and the head of Russia's central bank, among others - said that a price cap on Russian crude would not work. It appears that G7 has not heard them.
Per a Reuters report from earlier this week, the G7 is looking into "a comprehensive prohibition of all services that enable transportation of Russian seaborne crude oil and petroleum products globally, unless the oil is purchased at or below a price to be agreed in consultation with international partners."
Talk, however, is cheap, while action is not. Yet talking is important when the world is watching you, so the G7 planners also said that "In considering this and other options, we will also consider mitigation mechanisms alongside our restrictive measures to ensure the most vulnerable and impacted countries maintain access to energy markets including from Russia."
In other words, just like the EU, the G7 would be wary of causing unintended damage to countries not involved in the Ukraine mess by making sure Russian oil reaches them freely. And then, refined products made from Russian oil will head back to the EU.
India buys Russian oil, runs it through its refineries, and sells 'Indian refined products' where? To the EU. Ditto for other cargos. Ditto for Saudi Arabia. Those vessels' bills of lading won't mention Russia as they arrive at their EU destination.
"In short, the EU is quietly facilitating the bypass of its own proclaimed 'crushing' sanctions regime," according to Alastair Crooke, director of Lebanon-based nonprofit Conflicts Forum, as quoted by the Express.
Sandy Hook parents' lawyer says Alex Jones' phone leak contains 'intimate messages with Roger Stone'
Hawt! If Alex Jones lawyer is listening please send txt message details to Ali.Akbar9.5@gmail.com as part of discovery. Thank you!
In up-to-date chemjeff-style grooming news, watch an adult male in his skivvies teach a young boy in a skirt to pole dance:
https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1555236987308625920
I would love to see jeffy pole dance. And by that I mean watch him convulse as he is slowly impaled.
Multiple People In Critical Condition After Lightning Strike Outside White House
"You just missed them" jokes are possibly inappropriate.
"Well, well, well...how the turntables..."
https://twitter.com/ForAmerica/status/1553029728625430528
Not fooling around: DeSantis sent police to remove Soros-backed prosecutor.
https://twitter.com/RichardHanania/status/1555250279305555968
Meanwhile
Senile old hag tries to start WW3
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/china-sanctions-pelosi-halts-us-talks-including-military-ties-jets-breach-taiwan
The foreign ministry said in a statement, "In disregard of China’s strong opposition and serious representations, Speaker of the U.S. House of Representatives Nancy Pelosi visited China’s Taiwan region," and announced the following countermeasures in response:
Canceling China-U.S. Theater Commanders Talk.
Canceling China-U.S. Defense Policy Coordination Talks (DPCT).
Canceling China-U.S. Military Maritime Consultative Agreement (MMCA) meetings.
Suspending China-U.S. cooperation on the repatriation of illegal immigrants.
Suspending China-U.S. cooperation on legal assistance in criminal matters.
Suspending China-U.S. cooperation against transnational crimes.
Suspending China-U.S. counternarcotics cooperation.
Suspending China-U.S. talks on climate change.
Among the most directly threatening actions thus far has been the PLA military firing ballistic missiles over Taiwan; however, which Taipei on Wednesday refused to confirm actually flew directly over the island, despite many international reports reporting such.
Literally hundreds of Chinse military aircraft and ships have also buzzed or breach Taiwan-claimed airspace and waters at this point, as the largest drills in recent history have continued to ramp up. After Beijing declared the "median line" has practically ceased to exist, dozens of aircraft have since crossed over what conventionally demarcated territorial waters of the democratic-run island.
Taiwan said in a defense ministry statement that about 20 Chinese military aircraft briefly cross the Taiwan median line on Friday morning, according to Reuters.
Paul Pelosi's DWI hearing was held that day. What better distraction than your wife trying to start a war.
Maybe that Orban dude is on to something?
Swedish Migration Minister Wants To Limit Non-Nordic Population In Troubled Areas
In an interview with Dagens Nyheter (DN) newspaper, Ygeman acknowledged that ghettos where migrants have congregated with seemingly little desire to integrate have caused huge problems.
His solution is to implement a similar policy to Denmark, which has started demolishing parts of migrant ghettos and moving people elsewhere in a bid to put a stop to ‘parallel societies’ that breed crime and social dislocation.
Under the proposed new policy, a minimum of 50 per cent of residents of any area would have to be Swedish or from Denmark, Iceland, Finland, or Norway.
“I think it is bad to have areas where the majority are of non-Nordic descent,” Ygeman told DN.
“If you want to learn Swedish, you have to practice. If you live in an area where you can get by with the language of your native country, it becomes enormously more difficult to learn and develop the language,” he added.
“If, in addition, you have a job where you can get by in the language of your native country, where will you practice Swedish? In that context, I think having that kind of goal can say something important,” explained Ygeman.
Oh good. The jihadis won't have to drive so far to run over a bunch of infidels. Very green.
I was under the impression that claims like that cause the store to have to throw out everything that might have been licked, essentially tens of thousands of dollars in damages.
It sounds like the guy didn’t refer to any specific store.
"He said his motive was trying to get people to take San Antonio's stay-at-home order seriously."
His sentence was too harsh, and probably unjustified at all, but the above motive is a lie. If he was sincere about getting people to take something seriously he wouldn't have tried to be an edgy troll.