You Can't Stop Pirate Libraries
Where there's demand for books, the internet will supply them.

Shadow libraries exist in the space where intellectual property rights collide with the free-flowing exchange of knowledge and ideas. In some cases, these repositories of pirated books and journal articles serve as a blow against censorship, allowing those under repressive regimes to access otherwise verboten works. At other times, shadow libraries—a.k.a pirate libraries—function as a peer-to-peer lending economy, providing e-books and PDFs of research papers to people who can't or won't pay for access, as well as to people who might otherwise be paying customers.
Are the proprietors of these pirate libraries freedom fighters? Digital Robin Hoods? Criminals? That depends on your perspective, and it may also differ depending on the platform in question. But one thing is certain: These platforms are nearly impossible to eradicate. Even a greatly enhanced crackdown on them would be little more than a waste of time and resources.
Some of the biggest digital-age shadow libraries—including Library Genesis (or Libgen) and Aleph—have roots in Russia, where a culture of illicit book sharing arose under communism. "Russian academic and research institutions…had to somehow deal with the frustrating lack of access to up-to-date and affordable western works to be used in education and research," the legal researcher Balázs Bodó wrote in the 2015 paper "Libraries in the Post-Scarcity Era." "This may explain why the first batch of shadow libraries started in a number of academic/research institutions such as the Department of Mechanics and Mathematics…at Moscow State University."
"As PCs and internet access slowly penetrated Russian society, an extremely lively digital librarianship movement emerged, mostly fuelled by enthusiastic readers, book fans and often authors, who spared no effort to make their favorite books available on FIDOnet, a popular BBS [bulletin board system] in Russia," Bodó's paper explained. As a result, a "bottom-up, decentralized, often anarchic digital library movement" emerged.
These libraries have found large audiences among academics in America and around the world, thanks to the high cost of accessing scholarly journal articles.
"Payment of 32 dollars is just insane when you need to skim or read tens or hundreds of these papers to do research," wrote Alexandra Elbakyan—the Russia-based founder of the massive shadow library Sci-Hub—in a 2015 letter to the judge presiding over the academic publisher Elsevier's suit against Sci-Hub. Elbakyan pointed out that in days of yore, students and researchers would share access to papers via forum requests and emails, a system which Sci-Hub simply streamlines. She also noted that Elsevier makes money off the work of researchers who do not get paid for their work.
Such economic imperatives are just one part of the Sci-Hub ethos. "Any law against knowledge is fundamentally unjust," Elbakyan tweeted in December 2021.
"There seems to be a widely shared…consensus in the academic sector about the moral acceptability of such radical open access practices," wrote Bodó, Dániel Antal, and Zoltán Puha in a 2020 paper published by PLOS One. "Willful copyright infringement in the research and education sector is seen as an act of civil disobedience, resisting the business models in academic publishing that have faced substantial criticism in recent years for unsustainable prices and outstanding profit margins."
In his earlier paper, Bodó argued that "the emergence of black markets whether they be of culture, of drugs or of arms is always a symptom, a warning sign of a friction between supply and demand." When "there is a substantial difference between what is legally available and what is in demand, cultural black markets will be here to compete with and outcompete the established and recognized cultural intermediaries. Under this constant existential threat, business models and institutions are forced to adapt, evolve or die."
The 2020 paper underlined the point: Its "supply side analysis" of scholarly piracy suggested "that a significant chunk of the shadow library supply is not available in digital format and a significant share of downloads concentrate on legally inaccessible works."
Many would reply that such piracy is just plain wrong, no matter how much trouble and expense copyright causes for authors and researchers. But copyright, according to some strains of libertarian thought, is not the sort of "property right" we ought to justly respect, given its historical genesis in propping up unjust monopoly by creating artificial scarcity.
"Only tangible, scarce resources are the possible object of interpersonal conflict, so it is only for them that property rules are applicable," the libertarian lawyer Stephan Kinsella argued in "Against Intellectual Property," published in the Journal of Libertarian Studies in 2001. "Thus, patents and copyrights are unjustifiable monopolies granted by government legislation."
Intellectual property rights give creators "partial rights of control—ownership—over the tangible property of everyone else" and can "prohibit them from performing certain actions with their own property," Kinsella continues. "Author X, for example, can prohibit a third party, Y, from inscribing a certain pattern of words on Y's own blank pages with Y's own ink. That is, by merely authoring an original expression of ideas…the [intellectual property] creator instantly, magically becomes a partial owner of others' property."
Justly enforced property rights, by this line of thinking, ought to apply only to physical things that are scarce and whose control is rivalrous. This would not apply to words or ideas that can—as the very existence of these pirate libraries shows—be copied exactly and infinitely. Enforcing copyright inherently stops other people from doing things with their minds and their justly owned property, including their server space and hard drives.
What about the utilitarian case for intellectual property? The U.S. Constitution enshrines copyrights to "promote the progress of science and the useful arts." But banning shadow libraries could do more harm to such promotion of "science and the useful arts" than good, given how much they facilitate research and scholarship that would otherwise be either prohibitively expensive or outright impossible. As a 2016 letter in The Lancet pointed out, such sites could be hugely beneficial for doctors in places like Peru, where few physicians have access "to the papers and information they need to care for a growing and diverse set of patients." Such arguments became even more powerful during the COVID-19 pandemic.
Interestingly, the 2020 Immersive Media & Books survey found that pirates are more likely to be avid book buyers than nonpirates. "Compared to the general survey population, a higher percentage of book pirates during COVID are buying more ebooks (38.7%), audiobooks (27.1%) and print books (33.7%)," the study concluded.
But publishers love their copyrights, and they do not wish to adapt their legacy systems to the digital age. They thus have been trying to crush the shadow libraries, with the help of the legal system. In 2015, Elsevier sued to shut down Sci-Hub and Libgen. A federal court eventually ruled in Elsevier's favor, awarding it $15 million in damages and issuing an injunction against the two platforms.
In 2017, the American Chemical Society (ACS) sued Sci-Hub. The U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Virginia ruled in the plaintiff's favor, saying that Sci-Hub owed it $4.8 million in damages. The court ordered American web hosting companies, domain registrars, and search engines to stop facilitating access to "any or all domain names and websites through which Defendant Sci-Hub engages in unlawful access to, use, reproduction, and distribution" of ACS's works.
Other countries, such as Sweden and France, have also ordered internet service providers to block Sci-Hub and Libgen.
Enforcing any of these rulings has proven nearly impossible, since Sci-Hub and Libgen are hosted in other countries and not beholden to U.S.—or Swedish, or French—rules. The people behind Sci-Hub and LibGen didn't bother to contest the lawsuits against them. When internet service providers and domain registrars in these countries cut off access, the shadow libraries simply popped up elsewhere. And even if search engines don't display them, these libraries can be accessed via the dark web.
Yet publishers keep signing up to play this game of whack-a-mole in different venues. Elsevier, research publisher Wiley, and ACS are currently suing Sci-Hub in Indian court. (This time, Elbakyan is fighting back, arguing that Sci-Hub is covered under the exemptions in India's Copyright Act.) Another shadow library, the Ukraine-based Kiss Library, lost a case last year in the U.S. District Court for the Western District of Washington and was ordered to pay $7.8 million in statutory damages and to stop distributing copyrighted materials. The library has not paid a cent.
Since U.S. courts have no real power to make any of these institutions pay, popular authors John Grisham and Scott Turow have challenged the Department of Justice to do more. "The time and money required for the suit demonstrate the absurdity of leaving anti-piracy enforcement to the victims," they wrote in a February op-ed for The Hill. "We are also asking Congress to amend the law to stop U.S. search engines from linking to notorious foreign-based piracy sites, which they have refused to do on their own."
It's no surprise that some best-selling authors are among those most inflamed about pirate libraries. "The few existing studies in the general e-book piracy space…echo findings of research on music and audiovisual piracy: displacement effects are mostly detrimental for best sellers," while "long tail content enjoys a discovery effect," wrote Bodó and his colleagues in their 2020 paper.
But the U.S. Department of Justice will have no more luck than the courts in getting the outcome those American authors want. Nor would stopping search engines from linking to shadow libraries make much of a dent, since the sites would still be accessible to those in the know and since social media can easily provide this knowledge to anyone searching for it. The whole business would ultimately be a costly and time-consuming failure—in addition to keeping students, scientists, doctors, and others from accessing important information.
In an earlier internet era, people liked to say that information wants to be free. Information, of course, wants nothing. But so long as people want free information, the modern tech and digital ecosystem will provide it. Perhaps authors and publishers would do better to accept that and address ways to mitigate its effects rather than engage in an unwinnable copyright war.
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You cannot ship a copy of Mien Kampf to Canada.
It will be confiscated at the border.
Ignorance is bliss.
Freedom is slavery. Also really, really scary.
Authoritarians hate mirrors.
And competition.
Or donate to a group of truckers.
Hang the pirates from a [purely digital and metaphorical] yardarm.
If the public pays for research, the publisher and author must agree, in exchange, that the public which paid for it doesn't have to pay twice - i. e., open access.
There's your answer, not piracy of private copyrights.
Disclaimer: Of course copyright terms should be shorter, but this doesn't seem to be the problem here.
I can also see a distinction between academic publications, written by people already paid as faculty, research staff, etc. (and ostensibly not writing in order to create a product for sale), and for-profit publications, where many (most?) writers only get paid when their product sells.
And perhaps people who do both might provide useful examples. An academic might publish nerdy scientific research in an equally nerdy journal, and then publish pop-science for sale to the general public, and expect different compensation--and different intellectual property protection.
Yes, and it's a particular stretch to go from unpaid scientific journals to John Grisham's novels.
There's something awry with the scientific publishing system. I had subscriptions to both Science and Nature until they got too woke and too alarmunist to stomach any longer. I especially resented having to join AAAS to get Science, and they'd lard it up with politically correct AAAS propaganda.
What struck me about both right from the start was how expensive they were for so little value added. Pretty formatting, good proofreading, but they were both chock full of ads; why is a subscription so much more expensive that Smithsonian or National Geographic? And the authors have to pay to be published!
So much in life is fucked up by government incompetence, I always assumed it was government at fault, but still don't know exactly how, other than the artificial high subsidy of science had lead to a surplus of unqualified "scientists" studying fields which wouldn't exist on their own, and publishing houses taking advantage of the subsidies to charge a fortune. But scientific publishing houses don't seem like they are rolling in the dough; where is all that money going?
I don't believe authors have to pay to publish in Science. There is a charge if they want color images printed, but not for the paper itself.
Journals like Science and Nature can command high subscription fees because they are recognized as extremely prestigious journals.
The academic publishing model in general is oriented towards incentivizing researchers to produce new knowledge, since in general authors don't have to pay to get their articles published.
Thus the cost of the publication is borne by the consumers of the knowledge via subscription fees.
They are paying for the peer reviews. They don't have to publish if they do not want to in pay walled journals. There are free journals, but academia has created paywalls for the appearance of prestige. The very thing you are now claiming is present.
The free journals tend to be of much lower quality.
Quality by what definition? I dropped both subscriptions because they had more and more politically correct subjects and woke attitudes; even before they went full gaga, they published a couple of articles a year on additions to climate models which should have been a clue that climate models sucked: cloud cover, mountain ranges, humidity, I forget most of them, only that they seemed like such basic core attributes that all previous models should have been thought useless.
Quality? They showed superficial quality, like better proofreading, glossier paper, more varied type fonts. But quality of their reports? For plain old physics and biology, sure, but nothing that couldn't have been published elsewhere.
Well, one measure of quality is the journal impact factor.
https://clarivate.com/webofsciencegroup/essays/impact-factor/
That page has a decent enough description of how it works.
Here is a list of journals ranked by impact factor for 2021.
https://www.ilovephd.com/top-100-journals-in-the-world-with-impact-factor/
As you see, Nature and Science are at the top. (#1 and #3).
Do you do anything except for appeals to authority?
TOP MEN!
Well, one measure of quality is the journal impact factor.
Because there's no surer sign of a quality product than
AmazonNature/Science/Cell/PNAS/JAMA Recommends!Clarivate is not the publisher of Nature/Science/etc. They are a separate institution.
And I said that it was one measure of journal quality, not the only measure.
What do you suggest as another measure?
Or are you just going to take potshots from the sidelines?
Why jeff? Because they paid for prestige of others? Does science suddenly changed based on who pays to go into a journal?
Only government science is unsullied by money!
This doesn't address the high expense. National Geographic, Discover, other commercial magazines pay authors, have advertising, and have low subscription rates; what makes Science and Nature so expensive when authors pay them to publish? I can understand it for journals with 200 subscribers, but not for Science and Nature. The answer is almost certainly government, as it is for almost everything, but how? Subsidies making so many incompetent pseudo-scientists desperate to publish rather than perish? That's my only guess, and you have not offered any alternative.
You don't understand because you're still taking the blue pill. You think capitalist economics explains all behavior, that there are no motives other than profit.
Science and Nature are expensive because the peasants aren't supposed to buy them. They're reserved for the wealthy and institutionalized - if government's playing a role, it's indirect in their funding of academic or research bodies who will then pay for the subscription to be accessed by employees.
It's a means of social stratification and keeping power, in this case information, centralized and away from the masses.
You haven't explained squat. I'm already certain the government is at fault -- but what is the mechanism? Do you have any better explanation than subsidized pseudo-scientists desperate to publish and knowing Uncle Sugar's grant will pay the fees?
Science and Nature could make more for their publishers at a cheaper price point. You could go into their offices and show them all sorts of data. You could guarantee they'd double their profit if they sold at a price affordable to the common man. You could even offer to provide the difference yourself if actual profit falls short of your projections after a year.
And you'd still be turned down.
Again, I'm pretty sure authors do not pay to get published in Science or Nature. That would be rather unethical if they did.
It is basically a supply and demand issue, where the commodity being offered is scientific prestige for publishing in a top-ranked journal. There are far more authors demanding that prestige than there is supply of prestige in terms of journal pages at those top-ranked journals. So the price is correspondingly high, paid for in terms of subscription fees.
Yes, they are charged
https://www.nature.com/ncomms/open-access
*If* the author selects Open Access, then the author is charged.
So you were wrong.
Well, duh!
And will now lie about it instead of just admitting he was wrong.
Not just wrong, but wrong on the precepts:
"Ethical": You can do research with public money and publish your results in our private library, for free.
"Unethical": You can do research with public money and publish your results for everyone to see, but then we have to charge you.
We get early access either way, so it doesn't really matter to us.
Well, I don't know, I Think "pay to play" schemes are generally unethical, don't you think? That is what a scheme in which authors pay to have their work published would look like.
There is a separate issue about the ethics associated with access to the work of publicly funded material. I agree that taxpayers should expect some measure of access to the results of the work that they helped pay for. Right now that access comes in the form of university libraries at public universities that any citizen may use. If you have a better idea, let's hear it.
No, Jesse, there are two different questions here.
The first is whether authors pay to have their articles published in these journals. They are not.
The second is about how open access works. It is an additional service that authors may choose to take advantage of. If they choose open access, then they are charged a fee. But the fee is for the open access, not for getting the article published at all.
Glad I could clear that up for you.
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Oh look here's Jesse, the guy who wants kids to be ignorant and pregnant.
There wouldn't have been a riot in the first place had Trump simply accepted reality and not pushed lies about a stolen election.
LOL
Die, pedo
Yes jeff. Not wanting 11 year olds to be taught how to get plan B and go trans and instead be taught reading, writing, arithmetic, history, etc means I want them to be ignorant.
What a ridiculous person you are.
While you get furious about a school board voting down a text parents were against. Despite you not having kids nor living in the district. Total groomer defensive behaviors.
Who cares test scores continue to fall. Who cares students lost 6 months to a year of education due to covid policies you defended.
Not teaching kids to cut their dicks off makes them ignorant.
What a ridiculous person you are.
What's your standards for a sex ed curriculum in school? Huh Jesse?
Biological realities and not sexual techniques.
The same as they have been for 30 years. Teach the science. Don't teach advocacy for child sex or how to get plan b without parent involvement.
Unlike you I think morality is taught by family and social circles. Not by the fucking government. Especially when they do so outside of the purview of the parents. That is Maoist indoctrination.
I also support the school board reviewing the books, holding a public discussion on it, and voting based off of that. You attack them for it because they can't groom kids like you want them to be able to.
Youre a sick person.
Don't teach advocacy for child sex
No sane person is teaching advocacy for child sex. That is a red herring.
or how to get plan b without parent involvement.
I actually agree with you here - if it was the case that the textbook was telling kids that they ought to get Plan B without first telling their parents (which I highly doubt, by the way) then that's inappropriate.
So you are absolutely fine with current sex ed curricula, except for those two things?
You are fine with the students learning what Plan B is and how to get it *with parental permission*?
What the fuck have you been defending for weeks? What has changed on the text books that required this text? Where even you found the objections for. What changed regarding biology dimwit. You are defending the new narrative of gender fluidity and planned parenthood talking points. Why were texts from 5 years ago deficient moron?
If parents want to be bad parents they are free to choose to do so. That is not the same for government teaching bad behaviors. I get it that government is your preferred parent. But not for mot parents.
You keep avoiding the fact the school board made the decision. Youre pissed off because your wants were not agreed to. It is pathetic.
What has changed on the text books that required this text?
Why do you think there has been any change in the textbooks at all? You are making it sound like it's the textbook's fault that Team Red wants to get rid of sex ed in school. It's not. They have wanted to get rid of sex ed in school for a long time. I posted articles from over 10 years ago about Team Red efforts to get rid of sex ed. Heck they've been at it for longer than that.
Wait, you actually think that Team Red was totally fine with sex ed in schools right up until when this textbook came out? Really? How naive can you be?
Here is yet another story from 8 years ago with Team Red doing the exact same thing.
https://www.today.com/parents/sex-ed-textbook-your-health-today-sparks-petition-parents-fremont-1d80035523
It's not about the specific textbook. It is about objecting to sex ed generally.
Why were texts from 5 years ago deficient moron?
You do understand how the textbook market works, right? When a new edition comes out, the publisher stops selling the old edition. They likely aren't deficient, but they aren't going to be for sale forever.
You still haven't explained what your standards for a sex ed curriculum ought to be.
And Jeff goes right back to not arguing facts but screaming at team red. Lol.
There are lots of insane grown children “teaching” right now.
Oh look here's Jeffy, the guy who wants kids to be indoctrinated and castrated.
It is disturbing how much emotion he has in this despite being a childless older man.
In one way its weird and creepy because having a very strong opinion about allowing grooming behavior in young kids while not having any skin in the game is very gross. I guess I would find the argument a little less weird from someone who has kids in that age range because at least they would be pushing a policy that their kids have to live under (although, it is their ideology, so I guess wouldn't be a huge surprise they are OK with it)
In another way, it kind of makes sense. A lot of these childless woke liberals who arent going to reproduce NEED to push this stuff on kids because how else can they propagate their cult? And also, the arguments of "you are going to fuck kids up mentally/emotionally" wouldn't phase them, because they dont have their own kids to worry about.
It truly is a selfish and creepy ideology.
Congratulations on successfully derailing the conversation so completely. Top tier trolling.
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Oh look here's Jesse, the guy who wants to cynically use fear and demagoguery to push his agenda in the schools.
Jesse doesn't like the curriculum in schools. So what's his plan? Accuse everyone of supporting that curriculum of being PEDOPHILES and stoking fear and outrage about them. Nobody wants a pedophile teaching kids, right?
It is sick, disgusting and wrong.
Remember how W. Bush's allies would cynically insinuate that if you didn't support the war in Iraq, you didn't support the troops and your patriotism was in doubt? That is the type of crap that you are pulling here. Deliberately conflating a reasonable practice with an unspeakably horrible crime.
Ok, groomer.
Pedojeff wants children to be seen as sexual objects, then gets upset people object
Including the very people he continues to accuse the right of claiming are all groomers.
He has used that defense for weeks. So now when he sees that community also defend themselves and attack the grooming industry he objects. It is weird.
The amount of energy and anger from him regarding kids not being taught sex, where to get plan b, and his defense of pornographic materials including illustrations of kids giving men blow jobs is why I'm now convinced he is a pedophile. His belief schools should teach moral values over objections of parents is why I know he is a statist.
It is creepy as fuck at this point.
And now when he is linked to a community tired of being used as human shields for grooming, he gets angry again.
Fuck you. I'm not a pedophile. But you are still a disgusting human being.
You sure act like you are. You are desperate to teach 11 year olds to hide it from their parents. It makes you angry when a school board votes against it.
There is no hiding of anything. Parents had all the authority not to have their kids participate in the sex ed curriculum in the first place. I am angry that a school board was manipulated into getting rid of what appeared to be a reasonable sex ed curriculum because of a few activists, who don't even have children in the school, riled up the mob with false claims of grooming and pedophilia.
And I note that you have not once expressed even a little bit of remorse or shame for your disgusting behavior of slandering millions of people as pedophiles just because they have a different point of view on an entirely reasonable curriculum.
You cannot win with logical argument, so you win with manipulation and fear. That is demagoguery and it is wrong.
Yes. You want to rely on the laziness of parents to opt out so their kids can be indoctrinated into sexual behaviors at an early age.
Again. You want schools to teach sexual behaviors. It isnt even about biology at this point as it is only new texts that are being objected to. Nothing changed in biology the last few decades. Your morality and your political beliefs are what changed. And you are furious it wasn't adopted.
You want schools to teach sexual behaviors.
I want schools to teach a broad, age-appropriate, and inclusive curriculum on sex ed. YOU DON'T. You want students to be ignorant and pregnant.
Nothing changed in biology the last few decades.
And Team Red was fighting against sex ed in schools back then too.
You want to molest children
What has changed woth these books that you are so desperate to get into the curriculum jeff? Youre avoiding the question.
Hahahaha, no they weren’t.
And?
Do parents not have the right to vote on their kids education?
You defended them keeping secrets from parents just last week Lying Jeffy.
You're ardently advancing pedophilia. I can't think of another reason why you would.
Pedojeff isn't a pedophile, pedojeff just objects to any notion that 5 year old children should not be treated as sexual beings and exposed to strangers for sexual guidance
I mean wapo was openly advocating to teach young kids Kink.
https://archive.ph/ZgfJU
That article describes a family who took their elementary-school-aged kid to a Pride parade, where there was a float with men wearing leather and acting as "kinksters".
Should it be illegal to take kids to Pride parades?
I'm certain that JesseAz and his buddies would cheerfully machinegun a Pride parade. After all, every person in the parade is a Democrat. Great place to kill a bunch of political enemies with no risk of collateral damage.
Nardz would, yeah.
But the rest, I think they would just ban Pride parades. Or, heavily enforce 'public decency' laws against them.
That's right, sarcasmic. There's a thin line between arguing against child castration and sexual grooming, and shooting up a Pride parade.
You might want to pay better attention to exactly what Jeff's been peddling today, before you run to his defense just to get one over on Jesse.
Sarc has to run to Jeff's defense for his attaboy.
Is this sarcastic or do you really believe that?
I don't know what sarcasmic said, but I do think it's disgusting that pedojeff seeks to normalize child sexualization and continues to project his evil desires onto guys in general.
Die, pedo.
*gays in general
Sarcasmic isn't pro-pedo, but he rushed to Jeff's defense because of the old "The enemy of my enemy is my friend" idea.
He should have paid better attention to what Jeff's been spouting first though.
Where do I call out for laws.
The example is showing your team trying to normalize sexual deviance dummy. The very thing below you claim isn't happening.
You know, it wouldn't be my preference to take my kid to a place where I thought there would be guys doing kink.
But here again you are taking one extreme example and trying to make it representative of the whole.
You are still angry you can't teach young kids about sex. This is why people think you're a pedophile at this point.
Your only concern seems to be sex in schools.
Why is your only concern these culture wars? Why aren't you discussing the plight of Uighurs in China? Or the suffering of the North Korean people? You spend so much time and energy obsessing over these culture war issues that I'm inclined to believe that you are a communist.
You are still angry you can't teach young kids about sex
This is such bullshit. This is more of your lies, stuffing words into people's mouths. NO ONE IS DEFENDING TEACHING KIDS ABOUT GRAPHIC SEX ACTS. This is the crap you do all the time.
When are you going to discuss your preferred sex ed curriculum? Huh JEsse?
NO ONE IS DEFENDING TEACHING KIDS ABOUT GRAPHIC SEX ACTS
You are, constantly. Who do you think that you're tricking here?
He is a fucking sick pedophile.
Notice he avoids the questions on if biology has changed. Why does he want these specific texts. We know the answer.
You can’t definitively prove that with sworn video testimony and an expert in child psychology, so it obviously doesn’t happen.
What you advocate is sick, disgusting and wrong.
These guys are right, you probably are a pedophile. Everything you say is to advance sex with children.
"Accuse everyone of supporting that curriculum of being PEDOPHILES and stoking fear and outrage about them. Nobody wants a pedophile teaching kids, right?"
When someone pushes grooming behavior on very young kids, the most tame response is they lose their jobs. Im OK with that being what happens, but would def understand if it gets taken further
And by the way. Literally no one is attempting to shield actual pedophiles in school. They ought to be fired and prosecuted.
And it is BECAUSE of this that you all have chosen to deliberately conflate curriculum you don't like as equivalent to pushing pedophilia. Because you KNOW there is zero tolerance for child sexual abuse in schools, as there should be.
Let's hear your plans for a sex ed curriculum in school. I guarantee that whatever you come up with, someone out there exists who would object to it. Which is why you don't do it.
Well you spent a dozen posts yesterday defending it despite a school board disagreeing.
All your energy is sex with kids in school. You don't ever bring up falling test scores. Why?
Well, Jesse, yesterday you didn't bring up the plight of Uighurs in China either. I guess that means you don't really care about Chinese oppression of Uighurs and you are only concerned with cynically manipulating the public to push your agenda in schools.
I'm against the Muslim camps.
Not hard for me to say that. I do so willingly and have in the past many times. I have never defended the Chinese government for doing it.
The exact opposite behaviors you show when you defend child grooming.
Oh, only now you bring it up when you are called on it. You didn't mention it once yesterday. Why is that? Why should we believe you now? Hmm?
The exact opposite behaviors you show when you defend child grooming.
Fuck you. I don't defend child grooming. You however consistently defend cynical manipulation of public emotions and fears in order to push your agenda.
I've brought it up often. I've never defended it. Unlike you defending grooming for weeks now. What are you confused about?
He didn’t bring it up because it had nothing to do with the topic. This is about what kids are taught in school so their falling test scores is very germane. That was a wholly disingenuous argument on your part Jeff.
Test scores have nothing to do with whether sex ed should be taught in class. I was just repeating his disingenuous argument against him. He does this all the time. Says WHY DIDN'T YOU POINT THIS OUT? as some type of gotcha when it is irrelevant or barely tangentially relevant. He is just trying to score points and zingers without actually contributing anything substantive.
Notice how you keep ignoring the 141 principles or educators already arrested for child solicitation so far this year. Using the exact same framing and defenses you use.
I didn't ignore those 141 people. I have discussed them twice now.
What do you think we should conclude about those 141 individuals? Hmm?
That they use the exact same defense of these materials as you do. Because it is the first step in grooming for them. Make child sex normalized so they can groom further.
Did you even watch the interview linked above? No. You haven't.
You just continue in your emotional defense of teaching young kids sex. Not biology. But sex.
No sane person wants to "normalize child sex". That is a vile lie.
You just continue in your emotional defense of teaching young kids sex.
"age-appropriate sex ed curriculum" =/= "teaching young kids sex"
That is your demagoguery on display. You falsely and cynically equate a curriculum you don't like to "teaching young kids sex" so that you can justify getting rid of it.
I just posted the wapo article above dummy.
What has changed in biology that older texts are no longer sufficient. What has been added that you want to teach young children?
Youre just lying here. You are defending this shit. You defended middle school books with illustrations of boys blowing men. You want to normalize sex for young kids.
Youre childless but seem obsessed with that type of teaching. It is disgusting.
It's not about the textbook dummy. It's about a longstanding objection by Team Red to getting rid of sex ed in schools.
You defended middle school books with illustrations of boys blowing men.
You are referring to Gender Queer? That is a book for ages 16 and up. Not for middle schoolers.
You want to normalize sex for young kids.
That is a fucking lie.
You want kids to be ignorant and pregnant.
Pedojeff is correct that no sane person wants to sexualize children.
Unfortunately, pedojeff is a psychotic and pathological liar who very much does demand children be sexualized by the school system.
It's not about the text book as jeff cries about the textbook for 2 straight days. Lol.
Why does he need one, or any school board for that matter?
Parents have just as much of a right to give their children a less liberal education as a more liberal one.
Sorry not sorry that inclusiveness lost, but why do you care so much?
If we're going to have a public education system, it should actually *educate*. Completely avoiding an important and valid field of study is doing a disservice to the kids. It's a type of fraud really.
So parents are at fault for not being open to liberal arts?
Ok then. You tell them that at your next PTA meeting.
He is offended more the kids aren't getting his preferred leftist indoctrination than any actual objective truths.
How do you teach "objective truths", Jesse?
2+2=4 jeff. Remember that summer you defended 2+2=5?
Hint. Drop all the post modernist bullshit you often defend and advocate for.
Drop all the post modernist bullshit
Hmm. Isn't that a moral judgment? That "post modernist bullshit" (as you describe it) isn't appropriate for a school curriculum? I thought you wanted a curriculum that didn't teach morality. In fact I think you called it "Maoist indoctrination". Are you in favor of "Maoist indoctrination", Jesse?
No. It isnt a morality issue dumbass. Post modernism isn't morality. Mority is why things are good or bad. Post modernism is doing away with objectivity for subjectivity you half wit.
Mority is why things are good or bad.
God you really are dumb.
You claim that "post modernist bullshit" doesn't belong in school. You are judging it to be BAD as far as the school curriculum goes. You are making a moral judgment and therefore creating a standard for a curriculum within a particular moral framework.
It is not possible to have a completely amoral education. If you were smarter than a box of rocks you would realize this.
And by the way I am not saying I necessarily favor "post modernist" topics in school either. I am simply pointing out your absurdity.
Post modernism has a place: Upper high school and college.
There is no reason to be filling elementary and middle school aged kids heads with ridiculous tripe like “there’s no objective reality” or “America was founded on Racism”.
I would hope that all people, not just parents, would recognize the value of a classical liberal education.
Thats not what you're defending you fucking idiot. You even defend CRT praxis and teachings which act to decolonize and oppose classical liberal education you fucking idiot.
That is what I have been consistently defending this entire time. A broad, inclusive, classically liberal education. You on the other hand think it is possible to teach "objective facts" without any moral framework whatsoever, and want a curriculum that caters to the lowest common denominator so that kids wind up being nothing more than programmed robots who can spout correct facts but who have no idea how to think about the world.
You really don't like education, do you? Did you think it was a waste of time when you were in school?
I agree. You've been advocating for removing classical liberal education and replacing it with leftist post modernism.
Learn what things mean instead of trying to change what they mean you retarded fuck.
I have been advocating for a classical liberal education that is broadly inclusive.
You have been advocating for whatever your tribe is in favor of at the moment.
Well they don't.
And that side lost. Now what?
That is where we have to work to persuade people on the value of a classical liberal education.
Why?
No really why? Live and let live demands that a point, you accept that thier illiberal views are just as valid as yours.
But they're not "equally valid" at least in my estimation.
As an extreme example, the choice to start a heroin habit, vs. the choice not to start a heroin habit (and do something less destructive), are not equivalent choices. One is far worse than the other. I'm not going to pretend that they are equally valid choices to make. That doesn't mean that I will use government force to stop the heroin junkie. That means I'll use the tools at my disposal to persuade people not to start self-destructive habits in the first place.
In a libertarian society that generally abides by the NAP, there will still be social problems. They don't just go away because the government shrinks in size. The only way, then, to address these social problems is with individual action, including volunteering and acts of persuasion.
But they're not "equally valid" at least in my estimation.
So long as one man, one vote and free association remain valid, not only is illberalism = liberalism, but it must always be so. Pick whichever principle you want to kill to change that.
That means I'll use the tools at my disposal to persuade people not to start self-destructive habits in the first place.
To go back to school boards and the parents that are voting against your desires: They tell you to fuck off and never speak or hear from you again.
Now what?
Jeff talks about the choice of doing or not doing drugs as he defends teachers grooming kids.
You can't make shit shit up.
You dont defend classical liberalism moron. Youre calling for its replacement. Are you and idiot.
What has changed in biology that these new texts offer?
You aren't educating them. You want indoctrination.
Who says there's anything new in the text?
Team Red has wanted to get rid of sex ed in schools for a long time. This is just their latest attempt.
You found the objections yesterday moron. Go read your posts. Or are you going to pretend it doesn't exist.
Now answer the fucking question. Why are these texts so important to you that texts from 10 years ago are inneficient?
Go ahead and use a text from 10 years ago. That's fine with me. But Team Red is going to still complain about them. Because they have been trying to get rid of sex ed in schools for DECADES.
Here is an article that documents efforts from Team Red to get rid of, or heavily dilute, sex ed in schools from over 20 years ago.
https://rethinkingschools.org/articles/feds-mandate-abstinence-only-sex-ed/
In September 1996, by a vote of 7-2, school board members in Sheboygan, WI, virtually eliminated a sexuality education program for pupils in kindergarten through grade 3 that focused on the family and human anatomy despite strong support for the program by the district’s Human Growth and Development Advisory Committee.
Sound familiar? This is the same fucking thing. It's not about the textbook, dummy.
Kindergarten through 3rd grade is a bit early for these types of subjects. Or maybe I wasn't ferociously precocious.
Oh, here's another one:
In March 1994, 16 months after the religious right achieved a majority on the Vista, CA, Unified School Board, board members voted to replace a comprehensive sex-ed program with “Sex Respect: The Option of True Sexual Freedom,” a fear-based, abstinence-only curriculum. When the board’s attorney warned that “Sex Respect” might not meet state guidelines because it included misleading and inaccurate information, was racially biased, and supported specific religious beliefs, board members directed a new attorney to suggest modifications to the curriculum that would bring it into compliance with state law.
The only difference back then was that then, their arguments were more grounded in religion. Now, the arguments are grounded in demagoguery and fear.
"a fear-based, abstinence-only curriculum"
Fear of the consequences of fornication, adultery, etc., etc. is totally unjustified. When will we stop pretending that there is some kind of downside to promoting such behavior?
Of course any proper sex ed curriculum should explain clearly the negative consequences of sex. But IMO it is wrong to cast sex as some forbidden taboo that must be avoided and only spoken of in hushed tones. Don't PROMOTE sex, but also don't unnecessarily problematize it. I think there is a delicate line there, and I can totally understand how others of good will can come to different conclusions. In all of these sex ed curriculums, the parents have the option to opt their kids out, and that is fine with me. But it's important enough that I don't think the entire subject should be dropped completely.
"Don't do it, and here's how."
Next: Safe drinking, safe motorcycle riding, etc.
"Don't do it, and here's how."
That is (a) not realistic, and (b) also false, since at some point (presumably) they are going to have sex.
Besides, there are plenty of other questions regarding human sexuality that a proper sex education curriculum could address, for example:
What is an abortion really, and what are the different types?
What is Plan B? What is an abortifacient? What is the difference between them?
What is "the pill"? How does it work?
What is a condom? What is a type of condom that is good for people with latex allergies?
Etc.
Plus, just general sexual health, like STI's, UTI's, etc.
Discussing these things isn't "promoting sex", it is giving them factual information that will be useful later in life.
"at some point (presumably) they are going to have sex"
At some point many kids will engage in underage drinking. So tell them to have only one watered-down beer to take with dinner.
Likewise with smoking. Tell them that vaping is preferable to tobacco and has less risk.
You're not in favor of kids chugging vodka and smoking cigars, are you?
But underage drinking and smoking are illegal.
And EVEN THEN, don't just say "don't do it" and leave it at that. Explain the harms associated with drinking and smoking.
And we all know that the laws, like those of the Medes and Persians, can never be changed.
Seriously, you'll need a bit more to buttress your argument than laws which change with changing fashions.
"Explain the harms associated with drinking and smoking."
So you want a fear-based curriculum based on fundamentalist, thinking? Don't impose your Methodist morality on us, man!
Fucking kids is also illegal but you keep hand waiving all the evidence of introducing kids to sex at earlier and earlier ages jeff.
Weird. Almost like you think your vice is fine.
Jesse, you think there is a connection between sexual activity and sex ed classes?
The common thread of these examples is democracy. And that hasn't changed, so....
I totally get it now. You’re still at war with 90’s Republicans.
Sorry mate, 22’s Republicans are just repackaged 80’s and 90’s Democrats.
So youre not okay with prior texts.
So what about the current texts are you so gung ho of 11 year olds learning about.
Also hilarious you find 20 year old books from the 90s to justify it.
I have no problem with prior texts. I don't really have a problem with this text either.
Oh and again straight to tribalism with the team red stuff. Lol.
God damn. An idiot and a hypocrite.
I literally posted an LGB group above and you basically pushed them to team red because they disagree with you. Amazing.
What, so gays can't be Republicans?
Are you incapable of honesty here jeff?
Is your claim anyone against child grooming is republican?
Are you claiming all leftists are groomers?
If discussing sexually explicit information, telling sexually explicit jokes and showing sexually explicit content to a child is wrong, then I don't want to be right.
Those Neanderthals just refuse to read "Ulysses" to seven-year-olds during story time.
"Team Red has wanted to get rid of sex ed in schools for a long time."
And Team Blue (the one you are on) is pushing sex in Kindergarten.
Stop apologizing for groomers
Never.
It's a parent's right to have a kindergarten teacher demonstrate anal sex to their child.
That is not true. Are you out of your mind? There is no one "teaching sex" to kindergartners.
Oh but wait, you are going to say "but but I saw on LibsofTikTok some kindergarten teacher talking to kids about gender identity!"
Even if that is true - THAT'S NOT "PUSHING SEX".
"Oh but gender is related to sex and they shouldn't be talking about gender either".
Well then that's a different argument. It's not teaching kids about sexual intercourse, having sex, "graphic sex talk", none of that.
That is the profound dishonesty of your tribe. You are trying to impose a right-wing curriculum onto EVERYBODY'S kids by scaring people into thinking that there is "graphic sex talk" in the kindergarten classroom or something. By using anecdotes lacking context or sloppy use of language like "pushing sex". It is dishonest agenda-pushing using demagoguery and fear.
And the reason why your tribe resorts to these tactics is because they know they cannot win an argument on the merits. Why shouldn't teachers talk to kids, even little kids, in a professional and age-appropriate manner, about topics like gender identity? You can't give a cogent convincing argument that doesn't rely on trying to scare people about "graphic sex talk" or "pushing sex".
Because it’s not their fucking job to talk to MY elementary aged kids about that and it’s not your place to determine what is age appropriate?
The fact that we have to keep telling him this is a great example of how progressives not only are incapable of seeing something so obvious, but they plan on continuing to push this stuff.
They are losing the mama bears that are very turned off at the idea of teaching their kids gender confusion. When the dads lose their tolerance for this stuff, its not going to be pretty for some of these folks
Dear gay activists,
We never consented either. In fact, when *right* was claimed to bastardize the platonic teaching of science, history, reading, writing, and arithmetic, we explicitly said, "What's next?"
Signed,
Religious and educational conservatives
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/normalization-new-normal-reich
Yes, the Covidian Cult is kaput. The spell has been broken. Only the most insanely fanatical New Normal cultists continue to walk around in public in their plague masks and homemade hazmat suits. But the New Normal Reich is not kaput. The New Normal Reich is being … well, normalized. The masses are being systematically conditioned to accept the biosecurity police state that the global-capitalist ruling classes have been implementing for the last three years. Despite the now irrefutable evidence that the “vaccines” do not prevent transmission of the virus, “the Unvaccinated” are still being segregated, banned from working, attending school, competing in major sporting events, and so on. People are still being forced to wear masks — the symbol of the New Normal Reich — on planes, trains, public transport, in doctors offices, hospitals, et cetera. Here, there, and everywhere, New Normal symbols and social rituals are being permanently integrated into everyday life.
These symbols and rituals are more than just the window dressing of the New Normal Reich. They are how our new “reality” is being created and maintained. The masses are like actors being forced to emotionally invest in the “reality” of an absurdist stage play. The more they repeat the performance, the more convincing the fictional “reality” becomes, regardless of how patently absurd it is … and it is becoming more and more absurd.
High school basketball games in LA force the kids to wear masks during the games.
They of course all have them down under their necks, but there is a mask on every kid.
They dont care that COVID is pretty much not an issue anymore. They dont care that masks dont work anyways. They dont care that masks REALLY dont work when you wear them like a neck beard. They just want you to bend the knee and show fealty. And honestly, the more ridiculous the act, the more fealty shown.
Correct
Grocery store yesterday I come across an aisle where a late-middle-age woman is rather obviously digging for gold with a kleenex in the middle of the aisle. The area I live in being what it is, I consider making a comment strictly for the "Well I never!" reaction but think better of it. She resolves whatever issue she was having, tucks the kleenex into her pocket... and pulls her mask back up. Who knew my initial instincts to be a dick just to be a dick would be right?
As a graduate student in the 1980's I spent a lot of time in libraries. Looking up paper was a laborious procedure of using indexes to find papers in journals. After finding the journals it was time to move over to the copy machines were for about five cents a page you could copy the article and then mark up the copy. A ten-page article would cost a student 50 cents. Today, a student can sit in their room and find papers with search engines. But accessing those papers can come with a significantly higher costs for per article access. I am not surprised piracy occurs.
But plagiarism is much easier now that students can copy/paste from their dorm rooms. With the current academic standards, though, I'm not sure that's even an honor code violation anymore.
So much easier to get talking points from Act Blue sources these days for kids like M4E.
I am not really talk about or suggesting plagiarism, but really about the basic reading that is necessary for an academic paper or proposal. Before writing a paper or proposal a person has to do a large amount of reading on the topic. In the end, only a small portion of that reading ends up being cited, that portion that is directly addressed in your end product. Most of this reading is in journals because a person needs timely information. Most of these journals are now e-journals and access fees can be very steep.
Convenience is expensive, No?
Long, interesting, infuriating article
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/talented-mr-pottinger-us-intelligence-agent-who-pushed-lockdowns
https://amgreatness.com/2022/07/20/the-left-should-be-happy-with-biden/
There is no such thing as "intellectual property".
I guess you never wrote or invented anything worthwhile.
Irrelevant.
I have published, have invented things, opposed Vernon personally, and agree. Intellectual property is a literally, a wholly imaginary construct.
No, IP is a valid concept. Libertarians who disagree are as wrong as communists on this.
IP literally encourages risks and development. People who are against it tend to be those who have never invested their own time and work into long term development.
Bullshit. There is a difference between advocating temporary exclusive rights to creations to advance arts and technology, as the Constitution envisioned, and conceptualizing ideas as property.
So if someone spends 10 years of their life inventing something that takes over a market, all their competitors should have access to all of their work and replicate it without any payments to the inventor?
Is that what I said?
I mean you're saying intellectual property doesn't exist.
Vernon Depner
July.24.2022 at 11:09 am
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There is no such thing as "intellectual property".
What do you think that means?
It means what it says. That's true of all my posts. If you don't see it written there, it's not what I meant.
So you don't actually know what it means.
On mute you go. I've got better things to do.
What could be better than tilting at digital windmills
I enjoy actual conversations here, but when someone refuses to respond to what I actually post and puts words in my mouth instead, that's not a conversation.
Yes.
Please copy and paste from where I wrote, "So if someone spends 10 years of their life inventing something that takes over a market, all their competitors should have access to all of their work and replicate it without any payments to the inventor." I'm sure that was someone else.
I posted your original statement above lol.
Please define intellectual property.
Holy false equivalence Batman!
Not at all. The protections on IP is why so much IRAD is invested in.
That sounds like a distinction without a difference. But even if it wasn't, having ideas be locked up temporarily creates scarcity, a necessary ingredient of capitalism.
Temporary scarcity of novel ideas is needed to encourage investment in difficult ideas. We see this all the time.
There is still licensing agreement such that can be expended with IP.
But ignoring it just encourages theft and destruction of costly inventions.
Libertarians who disagree are as wrong as communists on this.
Again,
"Libertarian" IP: You can't own an idea without license. You can't get a license unless you apply for an application *from the Federal Government*. Then, the success of the application depends chiefly (in this country), on first to file, and, varyingly, on first to document, first to reduce to practice, and who has better lawyers or who we like more.
"Communist" IP: Your intellectual property is yours if you can defend it.
Libertarian IP: your ideas are yours alone as long as you keep them to yourself.
Democratic Republican IP: You are asking the government to use force against anyone who strikes piano keys in the same order you already did, who writes words in the same order you did, or who improves the performance of his engine in a way that you did first. This would be aggression in violation of their rights. However, because granting exclusive rights to creators is such a swell thing for science, art, and technology, we're going to bend the rules against initiating force against someone and grant you this exclusivity, but only for a very limited time and subject to some exclusions. This is a grant of privilege, made in recognition of the rights violations is requires, not a recognition of any right to "property".
Third j6 protestor commits suicide based on treatment by the government.
https://legalinsurrection.com/2022/07/pennsylvania-man-awaiting-sentencing-over-january-6th-commits-suicide/
https://twitter.com/NewEmergingKing/status/1551208719916089350?t=9IKcc4QNblcgy0ULlhJK3A&s=19
Much of the learning that children will do will be INNATE learning and mimicking what they see around them.
As a father, I mainly have to EMULATE what I wish to see. Telling them is one thing but, LIVING it is another!
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All those soros backed prosecutors that have created violent increases in crime for their cities are starting to lose.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/restoring-america/fairness-justice/soros-backed-district-attorneys-face-growing-backlash-as-crime-spikes
DR. BIRX: I knew these vaccines were not going to protect against infection. And I think we overplayed the vaccines, and it made people then worry that it's not going to protect against severe disease and hospitalization. It will. But let's be very clear: 50% of the people who died from the Omicron surge were older, vaccinated.
Wonder if Mike, JFree, shrike and others will admit they were wrong in all those covid threads.
100% safe and effective with no downsides!
Not a chance.
Hahahahahaha, there’s a better chance of any of us becoming President then those assholes admitting they were wrong.
Birx is wrong
"7/15/22
Summary
Unvaccinated 12-34 year-olds in Washington are
• 1.4 times more likely to get COVID-19 compared with 12-34 year-olds who have completed the
primary series.
• 3.1 times more likely to be hospitalized with COVID-19 compared with 12-34 year-olds who have
completed the primary series.
Unvaccinated 35-64 year-olds are
• 1.5 times more likely to get COVID-19 compared with 35 - 64 year-olds who have completed the
primary series.
• 3 times more likely to be hospitalized with COVID-19 compared with 35 - 64 year-olds who have
completed the primary series.
Unvaccinated 65+ year-olds are
• 1.9 times more likely to get COVID-19 compared with 65+ year-olds who have completed the
primary series.
• 3 times more likely to be hospitalized with COVID-19 compared with 65+ year-olds who have
completed the primary series.
• 3.1 times more likely to die of COVID-19 compared with 65+ year-olds who have completed the pri.ary series."
Birx is wrong
None of what you said demonstrates Birx is wrong and, actually, rebuts what Birx said. First, Birx said Omicron, you make no distinction. It's been proven that vaccinated immunity both wanes rapidly *and* provides very little cross-protection across variants. First booster against a strain other than Omicron is less than 10% effective within in a month. Setting all of that aside, if I've got 3 vaxxed people and 1 unvaxxed, and 1 vaxxed person and the unvaxxed person catch COVID, are hospitalized, and die, that means 50% of the people who showed up in the hospital with COVID and died were vaxxed *and* the vaxxed person was 3X as likely to catch it, turn up in the hospital, and die. This is compounded as, in a population of 8, the unvaxxed population has been halved while the vaxxed population has only been cut ~16%. Lastly, Birx's main point was that the vaccines were massively oversold on fraught statistics. A vaccine where the unvaccinated are only 3X as likely to catch/die from a disease as the vaccinated definitively means the vaccine is not 95+% effective, it's ~25% effective. The number should be 20+X.
Considering the vaccines were initially sold as 95+% effective after two doses and without a booster, Birx is right the vaccines were oversold. If you'd told people during the primary series that they would have to get boosted every 1-6 mos. in relative perpetuity, primary adoption would've been much lower. I haven't read all of Birx's thinking but it could be the case that he's saying its use probably would've been wider as people would've employed it more broadly as an acute treatment rather than pre-emptive cure and/or a political football.
Sorry you are so confused.
With present vaccines - witj omicron specific versions on the way - you are 3.1 times more likely to die from covid if you are over 65 and still somehow so stupid as to be unvaxxed.
Yes, omicrons success is based on overcoming immunity from both vaccines and from catching covid and no one in medicine has said anything different as this became clear. The vaccines weren't sold on false premises - they were and are free - as they did increase immunity, even among those who had caught covid. You want to blame the natural selective success of variants on medicine? You poor baby! If only you lived in 14th century Europe where you could face the plague naturally and without the distraction of vaccines.
Must be tough life for you trying to sell the Dark Ages as the answer to life's problems.
Still waiting on apologies for Trump's first impeachment theater.
The Biden economy is the best ever. Inflation is a wingnut.com myth. My favorite Republican Liz Cheney will send Trump to prison any day now.
#TemporarilyFillingInForButtplug
Add ESPN to the list of wingnut.com sites you can no longer trust. "How inflation is affecting your wallet at the ballpark concession stand this season"? Yeah. Whatever. Just don't buy spittin' tobaccy and you'll be fine.
#MoreButtplugInsights
https://twitter.com/ClayTravis/status/1551196527514845186?t=xjE8R6KgAn9qqd0QzhRFrg&s=19
The @nytimes argued this morning that Sri Lanka overthrowing their government and forcing their leaders to flee the country was “much more peaceful” than the January 6th “insurrection.”
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I mean they might be right. But mostly because no unarmed protestors got shot and killed by the govt in Sri Lanka
So, next time protestors/traitors can invade the White House, play in the pool, and eat some snacks, and that's totes OK.
works for me. why would anyone be bothered by this?
They trespassed on public property. Democracy literally almost died. Shoes went on desks.
Take this seriously.
Deadly flags and fire extinguishers! Zip ties!!
Manbearpig spray
You might be bothered if you think that people should be scared of their government. If anything, I prefer that the government should be scared of the people.
You Can't Stop Pirate Libraries
Where there's demand for books, the internet will supply them.
If you can stop pirate covid dissenters, and pirate crowdfunders, and dread pirate Roberts's, you can stop pirate libraries.
Instead of pirate libraries, can we talk about library pirates?
You’ll find them in the card catalog under “arrr!”
Ha ha ha...wait, what's a card catalogue?
Damned kids!
What?
Where? I have some inappropriate literature to show them.
Who's under ten and likes Ulysses...?
Who's under ten and likes Ulysses...?
"Joey, you like movies about gladiators?" - Chemjeff
"Let's play Spartan Soldiers!"
So would Reason be okay if pirates lifted all their articles and reposted them somewhere else and made hordes of money doing so?
How would anyone make money doing that?
That burn is so sick, it's like it has the Bubonic Plague. But in a cool way.
Youre not aware that there are already sites that do this?
I think he was being specific to Reason.
He meant how would anyone make money lifting TeenReason articles.
Well thats a good point. I concede.
David Stockman on Europe’s Economic Suicide…
https://internationalman.com/articles/david-stockman-on-europes-economic-suicide/
This guy gets it.
"So why in the world are European leaders being led around by the nose on the Ukraine matter by the neocon war-mongers of Washington?
Surely they are astute enough to see that what is happening in Ukraine is essentially a civil war in historic Russian lands; that the eastward push of NATO was a colossal mistake; and that Putin has neither the intention nor capacity to threaten the rest of Europe.
Likewise, it is hard to believe that the ostensible adults in charge of national and EU security policy actually believe Washington risible nonsense about “defending the liberal international order” and upholding the “territorial sovereignty” of nation-states.
After all, these are the same folks who facilitated the dismemberment of Yugoslavia and bombed Serbia for 71 straight days in 1999 in order to partion that country so that the Albanians of Kosovo could have their own sovereignty.
And when it came to the Taliban, Saddam Hussein and Moammar Khadafy what did the sanctity of borders have to do with it? Washington/NATO didn’t like these regimes and that’s all it took to unleash the bombers, cruise missiles and tank battalions across borders that had far more historic validity than those of present day Ukraine..
So therefore, why not independence for the Russian-speakers of the Donbas, Crimea and Novorussiya generally? For crying out loud, these historic Russian territories were herded into modern Ukraine at gun-point by Lenin, Stalin and Khrushchev in 1922, 1945 and 1954, respectively, purely as a matter of administrative convenience.
Indeed, the case against Europe’s participation in Washington’s ludicrous Sanctions War against Russia is so overwhelming that the underlying truth of the matter is hard to deny. To wit, Europe’s political leaders have descended into acute mental derangement—a form of groupthink that has become totally detached from rationality.
Of course, that’s the same disease that has led to the hook, line and sinker embrace of the Green Energy madness. Europe’s brain-dead bureaucrats have essentially adopted self-destructive energy policies dictated by a petulant Scandinavian teenager and a bunch of far-out, industrial society-hating German “greens”."
Read the whole thing.
https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1550599524779020292?t=e3MMHDNwTM6tSnTjOdz8oQ&s=19
SCOOP: The Democrats brought a woman who appears to be part of a witches coven and engages in furry play as a witness in a hearing on abortion.
This is who the Democrats bring to represent them.
Bizarre footage and full story here:
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Remember when it was commonplace to make fun of people who legit LARP?
Now LARPing as a different gender, both genders, neither gender, or a different species is something we are supposed to call 'brave' and not 'mentally deranged'.
Because god knows if everyone doesn't participate in their delusion its violence because they will emotionally blackmail us saying they will hurt themselves.
saying they will hurt themselves
We should be so lucky. So far only inner-city youts are helping us out that way
Can I also add how disappointed that witch covens are never how they are portrayed in any kind of fantasy?
They are almost always the kind no one would want to encounter running around naked in the woods.
Also I am sure they are screaming at the top of their lungs about losing their unlimited abortions despite no one wanting to put a dick in them
Yea, definitely not high brand witches. At least there's no temptation there
https://www.theepochtimes.com/esg-is-a-globalist-scam-meant-to-usher-in-one-world-government-james-lindsay_4617189.html?utm_source=partner&utm_campaign=ZeroHedge
Insider Intelligence estimates that, in 2022, there was $41 trillion in ESG assets under management worldwide.
By 2025, this figure is expected to climb to $50 trillion.
Scribd is basically a pirate library that charges users.
I do not understand how that is legal
Most massive crime against humanity ever committed
https://dailyreckoning.com/three-months-that-wrecked-the-world/
The most salient question of our time is: Who destroyed the world?
We know the “what” of that question already...
It was the lockdowns, the spending, the monetary insanity, the mandates and the overwhelming and ghastly explosion in the forces of command and control imposed all over the world.
This broke everything.
It is nowhere near being put back together again. In fact, it is getting worse.
The main issue concerns the who.
This matters if we are ever to gain a clear picture of how the happy life of 2019 turned into the hellscape of 2022.
It has begun...
“It will be necessary to analyze why this happened,” Smagin said in Russian. “The robot has a very talented inventor. It may be necessary to install an additional protection system.”
Perhaps some sort of prime directive is in order.
Only Putineers could create a robot that breaks a child's fingers. And only Put8neers would make such sick parlor entertainment while the nation of Russia suffers with the GDP of Italy.
It's a feature, not a bug.
Yeah, like drug companies love their profits! Those greedy bastards!!!
(Right, comrade?)
Does anyone still dispute that Reason has turned into a leftist outlet?
Don't forget what Reason puts on the bottom of every page to wit:
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Whoever wrote this screed should rent a copy of 'Flash of Genius': '....Robert Kearns takes on the Detroit automakers who he claims stole his idea for the intermittent windshield wiper.....'