One Civilian With a Gun at an Indiana Mall Offered Better Protection Than 376 Cops in Uvalde
Taking personal responsibility turns out to be a better idea than putting faith in the state.

The same day Texas legislators released a devastating report on indecision and failure among hundreds of police officers during the school shooting at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, a single armed man ended an attack at Greenwood Park Mall in Greenwood, Indiana. It's impossible to avoid comparing the two incidents. Once again, taking responsibility for yourself and assisting others turns out to be a better idea than putting faith in the state.
"Greenwood leaders have used several titles to describe Elisjsha Dicken, the 22-year-old Indiana man who intervened in a mass shooting at the Greenwood Park Mall on Sunday night," write Ryan Martin, Tony Cook, and Dayeon Eom of the Indianapolis Star. "A hero. A good Samaritan, even. Gun-rights advocates have yet another: A good guy with a gun."
Assessments of the performance of 376 police officers at Robb Elementary School are less positive.
"At Robb Elementary, law enforcement responders failed to adhere to their active shooter training, and they failed to prioritize saving the lives of innocent victims over their own safety," according to the July 17 report from Texas legislators. "The first wave of responders to arrive included the chief of the school district police and the commander of the Uvalde Police Department SWAT team. Despite the immediate presence of local law enforcement leaders, there was an unacceptably long period of time before officers breached the classroom, neutralized the attacker, and began rescue efforts."
Dicken intervened within two minutes of the first shot by the 20-year-old murderer. Three innocent people still lost their lives, but the toll could have been much higher.
"The real hero of the day is the citizen that was lawfully carrying a firearm in that food court and was able to stop the shooter almost as soon as he began," Greenwood Police Chief Jim Ison told reporters.
By contrast, police officers in Uvalde dithered for at least 73 minutes as 19 children and two teachers were murdered.
"The law enforcement response to the attack at Robb Elementary on May 24 was an abject failure," commented Texas Department of Public Safety (DPS) Director Steven McCraw.
While the report on the Robb Elementary attack emphasized that "Uvalde CISD and its police department failed to implement their active shooter plan and failed to exercise command and control of law enforcement responding to the tragedy," in Indiana, Dicken had no special background. "Police said Dicken learned to shoot from his grandfather and that he had no military or police training," reports WTHR.
Dicken legally carried a pistol without a permit under a "constitutional carry" law that took effect July 1. Technically, he violated the mall's no-weapons policy, but the owners don't seem bothered. They have a statement on their website saying, in part: "We are grateful for the strong response of the first responders, including the heroic actions of the Good Samaritan who stopped the suspect."
The Indiana man was not the first armed regular person to stop a crime. In May, a woman shot a man who opened fire on a crowd in Charleston, West Virginia.
"Instead of running from the threat, she engaged with the threat and saved several lives last night," Charleston Police Department Chief of Detectives Tony Hazelett commented at the time.
In 2020, a man with a pistol killed a gunwoman at a mall in Tulsa, Oklahoma. In 2019, church volunteers at West Freeway Church of Christ in Texas shot and killed a man who fired on the congregation. In 2014, a psychiatrist had to shoot a patient who attacked hospital workers in Pennsylvania. It's not difficult to find examples of regular people who successfully defend themselves and others. These reported incidents almost always involve shots fired; I personally know people who ended attacks without discharging a weapon, and then walked away without informing the police to avoid legal hassles.
Unfortunately, it's also easy to find examples of police failure. The "active shooter training" referenced in the Texas legislators' report was supposed to address earlier high-profile deficiencies in law-enforcement response. Police at Columbine in 1999 delayed for 47 deadly minutes. In 2018 in Parkland, Florida, they held off for 58 minutes "marked by no one taking charge, deputies dawdling, false information spreading, communications paralyzed and children stranded with nowhere to hide," according to the South Florida Sun Sentinel.
This doesn't mean that police always fail "to prioritize saving the lives of innocent victims over their own safety" in the words of the Uvalde report. There are good, dedicated cops out there. Nor does it mean that people taking responsibility for their own lives will always triumph: in 2021, Arvada, Colorado, police officers killed John Hurley after he shot a cop-killer from whom they had been hiding; Manhattan's chief prosecutor initially charged Jose Alba for defending himself from an assailant. But it's all too clear that government employees are unreliable protectors. If we encounter danger, we don't know when they'll appear, or how they'll respond. They don't even have a legal obligation to help us.
"Neither the Constitution, nor state law, impose a general duty upon police officers or other governmental officials to protect individual persons from harm — even when they know the harm will occur," commented Darren L. Hutchinson of the University of Florida School of Law, in 2018. "Police can watch someone attack you, refuse to intervene and not violate the Constitution."
In truth, government institutions are failing every test they face. Public schools lost support when they botched their response to the pandemic and became political battlegrounds. Public health authorities shed credibility with the public and the medical community through lies, contradictions, and ideologically convenient policies. Worse, "a majority of 57% say that the actions of the federal government over the past six months have hurt their family when it comes to their most important concern," finds the Monmouth University Polling Institute. That personal safety is subject to the same factors that cause government to bungle other roles should not be a surprise.
In response to government failure, many people are rediscovering faith in their own efforts for educating their children, keeping their families healthy, and much more. Carrying a weapon and being willing to protect yourself and others is an act of self-reliance, just like homeschooling. Asked earlier this month by Trafalgar Group/Convention of the States* pollsters, "what do you believe would best protect you and your family in the event of a mass shooting?" only 25.1 percent of respondents answered "local police"; 41.8 percent chose "armed citizens."
Taking some responsibility for your life doesn't guarantee success, but Americans are realizing that it's a better bet than placing all your faith in government-employed strangers who often aren't up to the job.
*CORRECTION: This piece originally only cited the Trafalgar Group as the source of the poll.
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Ditto.
They’re just Dicken around
I was going to be very disappointed if there wasn’t a Fugitive reference in the top couple of comments here. The commentariat almost never lets us down.
Well, they got around to fixing it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VH7FW9fF51g
The Fugitive(1993) – The One-Armed Man Tracks Then Attacks Richard Kimble On The El Train
I did NOT know! NOW I am edumacated! Thanks!
Not completely. Search for the TV series the movie was based on.
Harrison Ford Hardest Hit
What was the original headline?
Not only did the Uvalde police fail to act, they also prevented others from intervening. They should be tried as accessories to murder.
…or at least find another line of work.
The Indiana man was not the first armed regular person to stop a crime.
Really!? This is a revelation! I’ve never heard of this! I thought only police were capable of stopping criminals!
This is especially damning…
One Armed Man at an Indiana Mall Offered Better Protection Than 376 Cops in Uvalde
Because it is true.
This is why police have lost the trust of a lot of citizenry.
Really, there were 376 milling about outside the school in Uvalde? The officers there may have failed to act decisively but that’s them and more importantly their leadership.
Taking this tact I can blame all journalists as incompetent partisan hacks for any one of the hoaxes a member of their guild fell for rather than judging them by whether they fell victim themselves.
Apparently one of the reasons for a lack of response by both the cops and school was the school had had 50 lockdowns that year from incidents of cops involving arresting illegals being transported so the school had basically become non responsive to the calls to lock down.
“Another factor contributing to relaxed vigilance on campus was the frequency of security alerts and campus lockdowns resulting from a recent rise of ‘bailouts’—the term used in border communities for the increasingly frequent occurrence of human traffickers trying to outrun the police, usually ending with the smuggler crashing the vehicle and the passengers fleeing in all directions,” the committee wrote. “The frequency of these ‘bailout’-related alarms—around 50 of them between February and May of 2022—contributed to a diminished sense of vigilance about responding to security alerts.”
Indeed, lockdowns happened frequently at Robb Elementary “due to its proximity to the intersection of Highway 83 and Highway 90.”
So we can blame Joe Biden?! I’m in!!
“Taking this tact I can blame all journalists as incompetent partisan hacks for any one of the hoaxes a member of their guild fell for rather than judging them by whether they fell victim themselves.”
Yes.
Yes, you certainly can.
“Taking this tact I can blame all journalists as incompetent partisan hacks for any one of the hoaxes a member of their guild fell for rather than judging them by whether they fell victim themselves.”
How about if 376 were to do so and not be called on it by the others?
Not only could you, but you should.
The engagement was really fucking impressive–the kid fired 10 rounds from a supported position at 40 yards on a target that wasn’t exactly static, and scored on 7 of them. He even hit the little incel fucker in the back when the dude tried to retreat to the bathroom. And the whole time, he’s also waving people to get down and move behind him.
This is someone that’s had a LOT of range time and practice. And it also shows that a lot of these Columbine wannabes will melt if you start shooting back at them.
Police forces around the country should take note of the huge decline in trust by citizens. That will turn out very badly for police.
There has to be bottom-line accountability for what did not happen at Uvalde….police moving in quickly and killing the perp, even at risk to themselves. Especially where children are involved.
That is the job: To serve and protect.
The police and others on scene singularly failed at this task, and must be held to account to retain any legitimacy. Job loss should be automatic. Negligent performance of job duties should be put on the table as well.
Rule number one is zero tolerance for any threat to officer safety. Number two is zero tolerance for noncompliance.
That protecting bit conflicts with rule number one. They might get hurt. Letting people cross police lines conflicts with rule number two. No means fuck you.
I fail to see how the outcome was unexpected. It doesn’t surprise me one bit.
Police forces around the country should take note of the huge decline in trust by citizens. That will turn out very badly for police.
Yeah, the whole reason lynchings were so common on the frontier was mainly due to the belief that perps–as in, they were caught in the act–would never be punished for their crimes. Either because their buddies would break them out of jail, or the judge would shrug his shoulders and let the perp off. That kind of trust has to be eroded over time, and once it’s gone, it takes a pretty heavy hand on criminals by the state to get it back.
“To serve and protect” is just a slogan they paint on their cars. The courts have ruled that police do NOT have a duty to protect you. So they hang out in the hallway instead of attacking a shooter.
I’m with Red Rocks – this citizen was impressive. I sure don’t train at 40 yds with a pistol
I literally can’t. The ranges around here top out at 25 yards.
But in the Team Blue Euro-socialist utopia, the state will provide everything, including moral direction and control of the weather. We dare not disrupt that plan by suggesting that people are responsible for their own safety–or anything else.
Your comment is, sadly, not a parody. If only the “right people” were in charge, if only all the resources they want were at their fingertips, if only the recalcitrants (deplorable they’ve been called) could be brought in line or somehow “dealt with…”
Utopianism is the most deluded and dangerous concept in history; it lends moral justification to “by any means necessary.”
The story needs an update. The police chief corrected his timeline – Dicken dropped the shooter within 15 seconds, not two minutes.
And hit him 8 out of 10 shots, from 40 yards.
Wow!
… and with ONLY ONE ARM!!!
Fucking hero.
Was this guy some kinda shooting prodigy??
70% hits on a moving target with a handgun at 40yards! That’s frickin’ awesome shooting no matter who you are – Taran Butler himself should be impressed!!
The Washington Post commentariat say stopping the killer wasn’t worthwhile because people still got killed, and that the civilian responder could have hit innocent bystanders (he didn’t), and this is the only time it’s ever happened. Oh, and the killer shouldn’t have had a gun in the first place.
MS-13 should not have guns either.
Does that stop them from having guns?
The WaPo commentariat aren’t people
I personally know people who ended attacks without discharging a weapon, and then walked away without informing the police to avoid legal hassles.
Very much yes.
Absolutely yes to this!!
Define Irony:
Using a picture of a store that refuses to sell guns to illustrate a story about guns saving lives.
#boycottdickssportinggoods
if not for the guns for the overpriced everything.
At Uvalde, too many cooks spoiled the broth. No leadership, no chain of command, so the “non-coms and privates” milled around.
Same thing would happen in most infantry platoons until one guy would say “Here’s what we do.” Probably each cop said to himself, “if I burst into that classroom, without being ordered to, and the gunman shoots a couple kids before I take him down, then my career will be over.” But one man, acting on his own, in Indiana, could take command of himself and follow his own conscience.
Probably didn’t even think about the consequences if, when the cops did arrive, they’d see him with a gun, mistake him for the shooter and shoot him down. A real hero, and the story turned out right.
No leadership, no chain of command…
And not a single act of valor.
“…But one man, acting on his own, in Indiana, could take command of himself and follow his own conscience…”
As could each and every one of those ‘non-comms and privates’.
Maybe. But it doesn’t explain why some cops prevented others from going in.
It wasn’t the lack of a chain of command, but the failure of the designated leader(s) to _lead_. The school police chief was on the scene within a few minutes – but the only thing he took command of was preventing others from going in.
He now claims he did not know that he was in command. If that’s not just a lie to cover his failure to lead, it makes him culpable for not immediately taking steps to find out if there was anyone else to take charge. So was every other cop on the scene. It’s drilled into every private in boot camp; if you don’t know who is in charge, you find out, and if you don’t see anyone else leading, it’s _your_ job to lead until you someone else shows higher rank and takes over. I’m sure cops are trained in the same way – or if not, the chief and everyone else involved in training or recruitment should be fired!
Neither the Constitution, nor state law, impose a general duty upon police officers or other governmental officials to protect individual persons from harm
If Adam-12 or any other Jack Webb production taught us anything it is that every peace officer in the country rides around in a taxpayer-funded, air-conditioned car with the words “To Protect and to Serve” emblazoned on a fancy door decal. What the fuck do these assholes think it means when they swear their oaths of office?
There is some merit to the “Good Guy with a Gun” argument. Armed teachers, principles and the general public could have saved many lives.
Being honest, voters do need to debate the racial element – what about non-white Good Guys with a Gun?
For example: Florida prosecutors rarely prosecute white people using “Castle Doctrine” or “Stand Your Ground” laws when they actually shoot or kill people. A few years ago an African-American women, Marissa Alexander, was criminally prosecuted by Florida prosecutors for shooting into the ground to protect her children in her home. Alexander never shot anyone and served about 3 years in prison.
To the best of my knowledge, the NRA rarely defends African-American “Good Guys with a Gun”. If the mall hero had been African-American entering the mall, it’s quite possible that hero would have shot by police.
Sigh.
aptly named username sir
I’ve yet to see the “Good guy with a gun” page in the NRA magazines mention the race of the people involved.
If the mall hero had been African-American entering the mall, it’s quite possible that hero would have shot by police.
Recently a good guy with a guy helped a cop and was rewarded with a hail of bullets for his efforts. He was white.
with a *gun*
Warning shots are a huge no no. Gun laws are generally specifically designed to disincentive them, as warning shots give people a false sense of security that they aren’t really threatening someone’s life.
Being honest, the constitution makes no distinction based on race. Being honest, what are the facts of the Marissa Alexander case, not the left wing propaganda, just the facts presented to the jury?
I am fed up with the “Oh poor (insert victims) narrative”.
From Wikipedia:
Alexander, who had a history of suffering domestic violence from Gray, and had been previously accused of domestic violence herself, and who had recently been released from jail (after having assaulted the father of her child), returned to Gray’s house, despite him having a restraining order forbidding her presence at the house
The argument you make proves her criminality completely independent of race.
People are not free to use deadly force simply because their intent is protective; the standard for legal use of deadly force for defense of self or others is stricter. Deadly force may only be lawfully resorted to when it is reasonable to believe it is necessary to immediately stop death or grievous bodily harm.
Deliberately shooting to miss in order to intimidate absolutely proves a belief that any threat is not immediate, but future, and thus despite any defensive intent the action is not legally self-defense. It’s using a threat of deadly force in order to intimidate, and that is a crime for quite good reason.
Wow – it only takes one… SMH
“…Technically, he violated the mall’s no-weapons policy, but the owners don’t seem bothered…”
Suggest the mall owners change that policy, just so thugs (who are going to ignore it anyway) could get a hint that this might not be an un-defended area.
Has the DOJ’s Civil Rights Division provided justice for Marissa Alexander who served about 3 years in prison? Has Merrick Garland provided a complete pardon to Alexander? What about Title 18 US Code 245 for a “pattern & practice” abuse of power?
Alexander was “A Good Woman with a Gun” that happened to be black. She received “unequal” treatment by Florida prosecutors, in violation of the 14th Amendment.
You are wrong about Marissa Alexander.
She shot at her husband and missed (head height near him is NOT a warning shot). She had already left, gotten a gun, then came back to shoot at him and his two sons. She was at his house in violation of a restraining order based on her domestic violence.
Neither Gray nor Marissa appear to have been good people, and there is no reason to believe her race was the deciding factor.
Alexander was most objectively not – “a good woman with a gun”.
do some research and stop spouting nonsense…
They changed the headline. C’mon, it was more fun the way it was! Have a sense of humor, laugh at yourself, whomever is writing and editing headlines! Humor is the balm of the soul.
Really doesn’t matter – hardly anyone shoots with both hands, regardless of those old shoot-’em-up westerns.
I only shoot akimbo, but that’s because I’m super, super cool.
If state actors have no duty to protect, then the state can NOT have a compelling interest in infringing on non-state actors right to self defense.
and yet…
News reports say that the hero shooter was 40 meters away from the mass murderer when he shot and killed him.
That is absolutely remarkable shooting! High stress, and long distance for a handgun. If you miss, you are likely to eat a return volley. Even in a range situation, 40 meters is a LONG way.
Second point: I am apparently the only person in the comments section who has not seen “The Fugitive”.
I hadn’t either.
“I am apparently the only person in the comments section who has not seen “The Fugitive””
Nope. Sports are the only use for the TV IMO.
Shooting, especially handgun shooting, is a perishable skill. At one point when I had a little range in my backyard I was a pretty damn good shot. Not so much anymore. It’s not like riding a bike.
Having a gun on you but lacking the practice to use skillfully at best useless, or at worst deadly.
So I applaud this guy for not only being there and armed, but most importantly being practiced enough to not miss.
Fine motor skills that get rusty can be restored quite readily, though. Just hit the range for a couple of hours, and you’ll be far more accurate at the end of the day than when you start.
-jcr
BTW, see above; reports have it he hit the target with 8 of the ten shots fired from 40 yards, so it was marksmanship, not luck.
Correction: Eli had a lifetime CCW license from Indiana.
https://www.facebook.com/guy.relford
Guy Relford has been retained as his legal representation.
Math challenged?
Good guy with a gun – 1.
Nuts with AR-15s in last 2 months – 32
We’ve been doing the gun queers’ program for a couple of decades now and the data keeps getting worse and worse. Even thoroughly red and supposedly tough guy Texas couldn’t stop an AR-15 nut from blowing up the guts and heads of 19 little kids and they had 19 good guys with Guns saying “you first”.
Joe Asshole; here to sling more bullshit!
Eat shit and die, Asshole.
Pop quiz!
1) Of the two most recent shootings, which one occurred in a Gun Free Zone?
2) Which shooting had more casualties, the Gun Free Zone or the other place?
3) Which one is more safe?
To put it another way, had this “good guy with a gun” not been at the mall it would have been a different story.
The cops would have arrived and surrounded the place, preventing entry while screaming and pointing guns at terrorized people trying to exit. Only after the shooter was out of ammunition and his victims out of blood would the police have entered to, after slipping on blood while stepping over dozens of dead bodies, find the shooter dead by his own hand.
The response would be to ban guns in more places.
Do you see the irony?
This mall was privately owned. The owners forbid weapons.
Did any reporter ask the owners if they changed their policy? The owners praised the person who violated there policy? Was this just for publicity or did they wake up?
My point: The politics of rights denial is widespread, supported by MSM who refuse to report the negative evidence of their politics.
I suspect the insurance companies require such signs, on the theory that the mall can’t be sued for mass shootings and other gun crimes unless they “let” the criminal bring in the gun by not posting the sign. It doesn’t much matter whether the suit could win; defending against even a nuisance lawsuit gets so expensive that the insurance company will usually pay just to make it go away.
If you want to see guns openly welcomed in most private venues, reform the tort laws. “Loser pays” would help here as well as with many other nuisance suits.
Or the legislatures could specifically target gun restrictions: mandate that a place that doesn’t try to ban guns is not responsible for third parties bringing them in, but that if you do post signs against guns, you become responsible for enforcing that ban and for whatever criminals do with guns they smuggled in. The insurance companies would cancel your liability policy if you left the sign up without setting up check points and metal detectors at least as effective as the TSA.
of course – your rant is noted and expected…
The truth is depending on whose statistics you gravitate towards the number of defensive gun uses annually ranges from about 90,000 to 2.5 million.
Even at the low end – a statistic from an organization advocating for more gun control – shows that Defensive Gun Uses per year at a minimum is several times greater than the number of deaths by firearms from all causes including accidents and suicides!
Literally the day after Uvalde: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-61615236
No one other than the attacker was hurt.
You think it doesn’t happen because it gets minimal reporting, and then memory holed immediately.
write Ryan Martin, Tony Cook, and Dayeon Eom of the Indianapolis Star. “A hero. A good Samaritan, even. Gun-rights advocates have yet another: A good guy with a gun.”
I trust the sophisticated folks at CNN took a more nuanced, subtle approach.
Good guys with guns is an irrelevant, bird walk contention pro or con. Churches don’t have to be full to justify Freedom of Religion. Reporting can be absolute crap, we still have Freedom of the Press. Similarly, the Right to Bear Arms is not dependent on good guys with guns making a difference.
Last week saw a guy acting strangely in a shopping center parking lot. Thought about contacting the police, but decided they wouldn’t do anything. “Back the blue”, my ass, not with the yellow streak they showed at Uvalde.
re: Phlinn
If Merrick Garland’s “Civil Rights Division” prosecutors compared the Marissa Alexander case to the Trayvon Martin case – it is a clear violation of the 14th Amendment. 14th Amendment violations are defined in several criminal federal lawsuits like Title 18 US Code 245.
Both cases involved “Stand Your Ground” laws in Florida. In the Trayvon Martin case, Zimmerman was not even defending his own home, he was defending his zip code. Zimmerman was pursuing on foot onto other people’s property and then killed Trayvon Martin.
By contrast, Alexander never shot or killed anyone and was sentenced by Florida prosecutors to about 3 years in prison. In the Alexander case it actually occurred at her home (what “Stand Your Ground” was designed for). Alexander was initially sentenced to 20 years in prison. The two similar cases happened within less than 6 months of each other by the same Florida Attorney General’s Office.
At minimum Merrick Garland and Biden should grant Alexander a full pardon.
You’re complete and utter ignorance is on display here. Don’t depend on the lying politically slanted news media for real information when you can get summaries of the actual evidence. Legalinsurrrection.com has a series of articles; they are rather long, but they have everything the jury saw, and that the original police investigation found before it was corrupted by a (very) special prosecutor with a political agenda.
Trayvon Martin walked out of Zimmerman’s sight and to the backyard of his father’s home. He called a girlfriend from there. Then he doubled back to find Zimmerman and attack him on a public sidewalk. And that is according to prosecution witnesses. Zimmerman was not on anyone else’s property, nor was he doing anything wrong, but Trayvon was a wannabe thug looking for an excuse to bash someone’s head against the sidewalk.
Stand your ground never applied to the Martin case, because he attacked Zimmerman out of the dark without warning; even the worst duty-to-retreat laws don’t require one to be psychic and run away before you see an assailant. It doesn’t apply to the Alexander case because she didn’t stand her ground. She left the house, came back with a gun, and apparently fired before there was an imminent threat.
A simple rule to explain both cases: If you feel threatened, in civilized states like Florida you can stand your ground or leave. But if you choose to leave and then return, come back with a cop, not a gun, or be considered the aggressor.
“…people are rediscovering faith in taking care themselves…”
Or, you could say people are growing up politically, being sovereign.
Good! That’s the first step. Next, people need to ignore politicians, bureaucrats, officials.
I would like to see the stats of the loss of life from armed citizens versus lives saved.
Also, how many unarmed citizens are killed by cops versus lives saved? How many cops die at traffic stops versus citizens they kill?
Cops are trained (told) that traffic stops put them at greatest risk?
Stats show this is a ridiculous belief. But rookie cops assume they were given a valuable warning, and are ready to kill or be killed. Is that good for anyone? Why does the dangerous training continue?
That’s true about the personal responsibility, and that’s the reason I decided to install a security system in my place. I chose an Ajax system, and I can tell you that now I feel way safer at home than when I just knew that I have a police station nearby. Of course, it doesn’t mean that my area became safer, unfortunately, but at least I did my best to secure my family and my belongings. And I know that in case of emergency, I’ll be the first one to know it, just before the security company.
So cops are basically just like Tuccille?
I think times have changed. I believe there was a time in the recent past when law enforcement was a calling, not a job. That is not a common attitude anymore. I say that because I am a not-so-young physician. There was a time when being a physician was a calling. That is another attitude I don’t see much anymore