Supreme Court Tells Cops To Stop Playing Doctor
The unanimous decision is a good first step for getting law enforcement out of prescription decisions.

No one witnessing a burglary in progress would call 911 and ask for a doctor. Likewise, it makes no sense for a doctor to consult a cop about prescribing medications. Yet in the past decade, law enforcement, driven by the Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA), has taken a large and inappropriate role in monitoring and dictating the amount and kind of pain medications doctors may prescribe. Once this threshold is crossed, doctors are subjected to tactics that would horrify anyone with even a passing knowledge of the Constitution. Fortunately, the U.S. Supreme Court unanimously decided such tactics are unacceptable.
The Supreme Court reined in overzealous prosecutors who arrested doctors for treating their patients as individuals rather than conforming to law enforcement's accepted standards. In Ruan v. United States, the Court overturned a decision that would have sent board-certified pain management specialist Xiulu Ruan to prison for 21 years for not conforming to law enforcement's arbitrary and misguided standards. Ruan was not allowed to introduce expert testimony to argue that his pain management decisions were reasonable and based upon clinical experience as well as his patients' individual needs—a so-called good faith defense.
When the public hears opioids, most reflexively think of prescription pain pills. But the term opioids actually refers to a broad category of drugs, including illicit "street" fentanyl, now widely known as the most dangerous of them all. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) reported that 77,000 of the 105,000 drug overdose deaths in 2021 are opioid-related, 90 percent of which are due to illicit fentanyl. The rest are mostly due to heroin, cocaine, and methamphetamine.
Although fentanyl alone can easily be lethal, the overwhelming majority of overdose deaths are "polysubstance" deaths: opioids mixed with stimulants, sedatives, and alcohol. To wit, nearly 70 percent of the fentanyl deaths also involved mixtures of cocaine, methamphetamine, and heroin, while the number involving prescription pills was only 16 percent. In 2020, CDC data showed that a mere 7 percent of fatal overdoses involved prescription opioids alone.
Apparently, the Department of Justice didn't get the memo. On June 29, just two days after the Supreme Court's Ruan ruling, the DOJ announced the formation of the New England Prescription Opioid Strike Force, targeting doctors who law officers decide are "overprescribing" opioid pain medications.
There is a term for this: Cops practicing medicine.
The timing of this strike force is curious because the opioid prescribing rate has dropped precipitously—60 percent since its peak in 2011. Furthermore, in 2019, one of us co-authored a paper in the Journal of Pain Research which demonstrated that between 2002 and 2014, per-capita pain reliever prescriptions doubled while nonmedical use of and addiction to prescription pain relievers remained unchanged. The paper's inescapable conclusion was that there is no correlation between the number of pain pill prescriptions and either nonmedical use of or addiction to these pills.
While in the past nonmedical drug users may have preferred "diverted" black market prescription pain pills (they're safer than unknown street drugs peddled by dealers), by 2018, according to a DEA report, the supply of diverted prescription opioids amounted to "less than one percent of the total quantity of pills distributed to retail purchasers." There is another term for this: Chasing the wrong suspect.
The country is not awash in pain pills—quite the opposite.
It is now evident that cops practicing medicine has been disastrous, both for doctors terrified that a strike force might burst into their clinics, and longtime pain patients who have had their medications forcibly tapered or discontinued altogether. Millions of these patients have become "pain refugees." Some, lacking other options, are forced to the street where the "medicine" they purchase is often counterfeit lookalike prescription pain pills laced with fentanyl. Worse still, suicide is becoming an increasingly common option.
Clinicians regularly debate the proper treatment of various conditions, whether hypertension, diabetes, or pain. Patients and clinical contexts vary; there is no one right way to treat any single medical condition. Lacking any medical background, the DEA and other law enforcement agents fail to appreciate this.
Fortunately, all nine Supreme Court justices did. The majority opinion stated, "the Government must prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the defendant knowingly or intentionally acted in an unauthorized manner." The newly formed New England Prescription Opioid Strike Force should heed the Court's instructions.
The Supreme Court's decision is a good start. Lawmakers can build on it by requiring a warrant from the courts before police or the DEA go snooping through drug prescribing databases. Nineteen states already require this. If police officers find no evidence of a crime yet believe a practitioner's prescribing patterns fall outside the norm, they should only be allowed to report it to a state licensing board for investigation and possible discipline.
Until federal and state lawmakers stop cops from overseeing the practice of medicine, doctors will fear treating pain, and millions will suffer needlessly.
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This government over reach has left thousands of Americans to suffer with pain because doctors were afraid to prescribe medication. I had been saying this for a long time. The court got this right! And look now at Odumbo's one time potential Supreme Court nominee Garland snubbing his nose at the ruling forming the New England Prescription Opioid Strike Force. The Brandon administration is our of control
This shit has been going on for years, including under our last President. The only thinf that is out of control is your partisan hatred. GFYS
Leftists are literally cancer.
There was a very well written article in Reason (the magazine) nearly thirty years ago. The basics of it haven't changed at all.
I'd love to sit it reproduced here.
"The govt. must prove...the defendant...acted in an unauthorized manner." ???
Isn't this called "due process"? Did we need another "law" to make the "law enforcers" obey the law? Do we any law? If so, the govt. has all the power, we exist at the mercy of monsters. This is the reality we see daily on YT videos, but ignore.
If it's such a problem why did California just let two guys go who were caught with 175,000 fentanyl pills?
Personal use?
Part of the tour package through Mexico to the US?
It is part of the dichotomy on the opposite side of terrible ideas of those who don't see consequences beyond badly thought out ideas. For every libertarian idea implemented without observation and we get the dichotomy of the Marxist society so convinced of their ideas. In LA we have a rehearsal of an old Soviet show. So ordinary criminals, that would be rapists and murders as well as thieves who were engaged in theft as an occupation. Those were regarded by the Soviets as “socially friendly” elements. And the reason for that was that they assumed that the reason that these people had turned to crime was because of the oppressive nature of the previous Czarist/Capital system. And the only reason these criminals existed was because they had been oppressed- they were oppressed victims of that system. One of the convenient consequences of that insane doctrine was the Soviets put ordinary criminals in charge of the camps.
It's playing across America now.
You mean like suggesting that spending $100Billion on a wall is the best way to combat illegal aliens (of which it is estimated 1/2 come in by plane)?
When a politician suggest "Its so simple!", time to oust them.
Because a lot of the DA's in California are bought and paid for agents of George Soros, through any one of half a dozen or more front organizations established and financed by or for George Soros.
OMG....could you be any more stupid? NO DA in California has anything to do with your boogie man Soros. Q has been lying to you.
Except for Soros paying them large sums of money, sure.
Found the lying lefturd.
-jcr
Probably paid up on their Party donations.
Or we could (and I know this is a crazy thought) just end the War on Drugs. Declare defeat and let people be responsible for what they put into their own bodies.
Or declare victory, as in Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, numerous banana wars, ....
bingo,,,over 18,,,they hand u a gun and tell u to kill the enemy,,thus 18 u r an adult,,,Agreed,,its call free will,and NEVER THE DOCTORS FAULT,,,JMO,,maryw
Regrettably, the goatfucking sadists at the DEA will never suffer any personal repercussions for their vicious oppression of patients and doctors.
-jcr
This one's easy--If you're a physician, don't ever prescribe pain medication to a law enforcement officer.
Let 'em raid the evidence locker.
And put all bullets in the possession of Law Enforcement on a prescription basis.
Cops are going to claim a need for more bullets than they are being prescribed because they have to practice and practice [just like ongoing and effective pain management] requires more to be prescribed than the Doctors are permitting.
Both "professions" need to stay out of the others business unless they can demonstrate a clear and present need for such interference to be allowed. DEA and other drug enforcement bureaucracies keep trying to conflate street drugs with those dispensed through licensed and regulated pharmacies, and every time there is careful scrutiny of the actual facts the conflation blows up.
I wonder how many of these meatheads who get off making people suffer have prescriptions for the exact same drugs.
Rules for thee, not for me.
This applies to criminal investigations that may result in jail, so of course it was the right 9 to 0 decision and raises the burden of proof for those cases. Hopefully those in charge will not listen to this silly diatribe but will shift their focus back to the civil side, and follow the same process and investigations and go after these doctors for violating acceptable 'standard of care' policies that would be used by the reasonable man (doctor) or investigate it as a 'malpractice' issue. So instead of cops practicing medicine, they will now become de facto lawyers practicing malpractice law but only have to meet a preponderance of evidence or reasonable standard of care burden and start yanking licenses where appropriate. The criminal side is still there - they will just have gather more evidence to meet the higher burden if they want to put someone in jail.
But malpractice would come up only in the case of actual injury.
The medical profession made a deal with the Devil when they endorsed the passage of the Controlled Substance Act. They traded their autonomy in exchange for a monopoly over access to drugs thinking it was a bargain.
And it largely was for a time, but then over time some got sloppy, or just plain lazy and by the early 2000s things were getting well out of hand and their "custodianship" was shown to be of no real value.
tl/dr: Rent seekers pissed by imposition of rent control.
Bloated bureaucracy and mindless bleating sheep.
The problem, encapsulated by the phrase "Doctor Feel Good" goes back many decades.
As a percentage, the "problem prescribers" represent a smaller percentage than the number of "dirty/bad cops" out there.
No disagreement with the ratio. Merely noting that the profession agreed to police themselves in exchange for their monopoly.
Break the deal and you don't get to choose the consequences.
This behavior alone is why we have a Fen problem in the United States. Back in ~2010, the Obama administration began telegraphing that Doctors who "over-prescribe" drugs will be tracked, "guided" and eventually prosecuted. That started with the creation of federal tracking databases, guidelines from the CDC, and warnings to the insurance industry.
And here is the real fucking kicker. This was all done to save money, not to save lives. The Obama administration absolutely required the insurance companies to help them push through Obama Care. Well, the insurance companies had a problem that these persistent users of opioids were costing them money. That was also a problem for the VA and Medicare health expenditures. Among the many Obama Admin adjustments to scratch Insurance Co. This was just one more little box to check in the long shopping list of grievances that the Obama Admin had to check in order to get the ACA passed.
https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/ondcp/healthcare
Note:
"The ACA includes substance use disorders as one of the ten elements of essential health benefits. This means that all health insurance sold on Health Insurance Exchanges or provided by Medicaid to certain newly eligible adults starting in 2014 must include services for substance use disorders."
So, is it any shock that as soon as the government and Insurance companies were required to cover substance abuse costs (aka fancy rehab programs), they got real interested in cracking down on substance abuse?
"So, is it any shock that as soon as the government and Insurance companies were required to cover substance abuse costs (aka fancy rehab programs), they got real interested in cracking down on substance abuse?"
Insurance companies covered substance abuse treatment long before Obama was in office. The majority of those programs are not fancy rehabs as you put it. Quit making shit up!
Good. They won't be held liable for not treating an OD like Floyd. Wait what? They will still be expected to be doctors in those instances??
I know nothing about the merits of this case.
I have no doubt this doctor did other sneaky stuff besides just prescribing opioids in cases where you could have a good faith discussion whether that was the best course of treatment or not.
I will say there is absolute hysteria over the use of opioids even by patients with legitimate chronic pain and post surgical pain.
Here in Florida surgeons have to get a special dispensation to give five days worth of pain pills. The normal dose is now three days.
You should see the stupid thing they have to put in the record that they have discussed yoga and acupuncture even when the problem is that you’ve had your leg ripped off in a motorcycle accident.
You are looking at weeks of pain before you are healed, and all you can get is five days.
If you go to the emergency room for acute pain, you’ll get 24 hours of pain pills. Try getting in to see your private doctor in less than 24 hours.
That week or 10 days between your ER visit and your visit with your private doctor?
Take some Tylenol and try some yoga!
Florida has stamped out its prescription pill mail problem.
Mostly by not allowing these clinics to accept cash.
This hysteria is hurting surgical patients and chronic pain patients who legitimately should receive narcotics for several weeks or even long-term.
Let’s hope the pendulum swings back the other way and doctors can use their best judgment on how to treat patients with pain.
Until then I highly recommend all readers a reason hoard any pain pills they may have.
You will find your doctor is not going to prescribe enough for any pain problem you may develop whether it is acute or even worse, a chronic pain problem.
Those medicines are good for many years after the expiration date so don’t throw them out!
Why no edit button?
Florida pill mill (not mail)
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Yeah I'm sure a lot of us have on occasion a short term need to relieve serious pain to get through the night. That left over Norco in the medicine cabinet has sure worked for me. A few years ago my wife broke her ankle and ended up having extensive surgery. She ended up in "pain management". She was required to sign a contract that she would take the drugs exactly as prescribed, no more no less, and would be subject to a pill count on subsequent appointments. Like any rational person, she took what she needed and put the rest aside for future use if it ever became necessary. Made sure the math was right if if she got the pill audit. Still got plenty but rarely takes them. This is the kind of absurd bullshit people live with thanks to the war on drugs. I've taken 5 Year old Vicodin that works just fine. Never throw that shit away.
one could ally with the abortion people for bodily autonomy rights and intersects nicely with the recreational drug proponents as well as the white supremacists and the small government weirdos and create a coalition fomenting insurrection.
It could happen in an alternate reality
15 years ago I had severe nerve pain that was barely tolerable with a LOT of narcotics. The spinal fusion was a complete success, but I had times in the weeks prior to the surgery where I couldn't control the pain with the maximum dosage. If I had chronic, unbearable, and untreatable pain, and couldn't get the medications I needed because of intrusive government, I'd kill myself. That's not hyperbole, I've experienced pain so severe I'd rather die than face living long term with no hope of treatment or relief.
I don't see what the problem with pain medicine is, just get rid of it all. Once when I was little I fell into a wood chipper and got chopped to pieces, took a couple of aspirin and right back to work the next day. Not a joke.
you don't remember but yer folks rubbed some dirt on it too
Why isn't cfr 42-1395 being applied to ALL of the federal government? It states NO government interferences into the field of medicine what so ever,soo why is the dea,Andrew kolodny,doj,,ever allowed 1 foot into my doctors office,my medical; records w/our consent or involved what so ever in the field of medicine?Furthermore,,to all you opiatephobs,,every single person prescribed thee essential medicine opiates are MEDICALLY ILL human beings,,Soo please tell me why anyone thinks they have the right to decide,how much FORCED physical pain from a medical condition another living soul should forcible endure via your opiatephobia,your lies,or new madeup laws,definition of addiction or new made up unit of measures,or over 60anti-opiate medicine laws, against their use for the medically ill?The definition of torture is, forced endurement of physical pain,so why is it acceptable to torture the medically ill in physical pain from their medical illness?Ever since thee forced combo of the mental of addiction w/the medically ill,,only HARM has come to the medically ill via torture,why is that anyones right?Why isn't it a crime against humanity via the dea and Andrew Kolodny as thee paid consultant for the implementation of policed public policies by a psychiatrist that has tortured,and tortured to death,ie genocide, sooo many long term medically ill in physical pain due to forcing physical pain from a medical condition upon them thru denial of access to effective physical pain relief?When truth/reality state's it is impossible for anyone to physically feel the physical pain of another,why has our dea/a psychiatrist been allowed to by law to torture the medically ill,some to death?maryw
take a deep breath Mary... your claim that
'every single person prescribed thee essential medicine opiates are MEDICALLY ILL human beings'
is just nonsense. If I am normal, then many people enjoy the recreational (ab)use of high quality pharmaceuticals (with a little whiskey please). They will say anything to obtain them with the least effort.
Stop pretending that the practitioners of medicine are noble and that the necessity of a prescription for anything is other than protectionism and rent-seeking.
I guess you believe in Santa Clause too??Thats is just prop-aganda,,,but that belief in kool-aid is factually denying the medically ill w/cancer,children w/cancer,adults with long term painful medical conditions like pancreatitis,chronic lymes,sickle cell,,etc,,,they're ALLLLL now being denied thee essential medicines opiates for the physical pain from their medical conditions,,Sorry,,,,I knoe no-one that illegally obtain medicinal opiates' for recreational use,,,ever,,sorry,,but because if that propaganda,,again,,ALL MEDICALLY ILL,,EVEN HOSPICE ARE BEING FORCED TO DIE IN AGONY,,SOO I ASK AGAIN,,,IS THAT ANYONE RIGHT TO DECIDE??TO DECIDE THE MEDICALLY ILLL IN PHYSICAL PAIN FROM THEIR MEDICALL ILLNESS SHOULD FORCIBLE DIE IN AGONY????NO,,ANBSOLUTELY NOT,,ITS NO-ONE RIGHT TO TORTURE THE WEAKEST AMONGST US,,,BUT THE TRUTH,THE REALITY IS,,THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT IS HAPPENING..SOO, for your recreational use folks,which is less the 1% of thee entire population,your actions are being used thru our governments'/andrew koldny,addiction psychiatry,doj, actions,to torture a medically ill,the weakest people on earth,thats not right,but that is the reality of what is happening in America,,Many have committed suicide from forced endurement of their physical pain via denial of access to medicinal opiates,from their non-curable physically painful medical disease..Look at how much $$$$$$$$ has been shipped over to addiction psychiatry,,its always about the $$$As a country we are ranked dead last in healthcare because of our government ill treatment of the medically ill,,and this is the reason,,maryw
Take a deep breath yourself.
Preferably, inside a plastic bag.
You really have to stretch to make your point, so far you are well into "theater of the absurd" territory when compared to the actual numbers of people who are being ~punished~ in order assuage your self-righteous phobia based on circa 100 years of government sponsored propaganda designed to promote ever bigger bureaucracies under the guise of "drug enforcement"
They go after doctors because they are easy targets. If they went after the Mexican drug cartels they might shoot back.
They will shoot back. But they would prefer to pay whatever you require to pretend they can't be caught.
exactly...The dea got yelled at,because many of them did not want to return to the field work after covid,,,,u knoe why,,,it is easier to sit on thier ass's infront of their home computers searching your medical records,your doctors private info,,to arrest them on literally trump up charges,,Most doctors are 100 % innocent,,,Hell they went after a 90 year old Doctor,,,u know why?,he had more assets then the younger doctors,,its sickening,what is happening to medicine and the medically ill in this country,,they are literally being tortured till death takes them from treatable condition for $$$$,,,maryw
The pills do not come from the cartels.
You have no idea how much of a problem this is. And it isn't just the cops.
In my state, the medical board has put limits on both the dosage and the number of pills that can be prescribed to a chronic pain patient. Whereas a decade ago my wife could get a 90-day prescription for her opioid pain medication, today she is limited to the exact number of pills between her mandated once monthly appointment. That means we are literally tethered to her doctor's office and cannot plan for an extended trip away from our home. And God forbid that a natural disaster such as a hurricane should happen around the time she's due for a refill -- refills are forbidden without a doctor's visit, so she will have to live with the pain from her degenerative spinal condition.
Heck, the best medication that she ever had for her pain was ordered off the market by the FDA because a relatively small number of junkies were crushing it up and snorting it and overdosing as a result -- that made the drug too dangerous despite it being safe if taken as prescribed.
100 years ago Republicans would have condemned you to a handmaids tale of pain and misery, but thanks to Progressives, you have 30 days of pain free living every month to be grateful for.
And yet the junkies still get their junk, so if you're ever in such a situation, do what they do.
"The timing of this strike force is curious because the opioid prescribing rate has dropped precipitously—60 percent since its peak in 2011." The timing of the article seems clear also.
RhymesWithRight "Heck, the best medication that she ever had for her pain was ordered off the market by the FDA because a relatively small number of junkies were crushing it up and snorting it and overdosing as a result -- that made the drug too dangerous despite it being safe if taken as prescribed."
'Dopesick' tells the chilling story of America's opioid crisis. Police actions may not be the best method but your comment is disconnected from reality. "safe if taken as prescribed" is a complete disconnect on how bad our system really is. Just the Vaccine mandate and approvals show nothing is sacred and some have no ethics beyond fixed ideology.
Great! Now lets get insurance clerks to quit playing doctor
If Cops are going to continue to interfere with Doctors and the medications they prescribe, perhaps it's time to require cops to be dispensed all of their ammunition under Doctors Prescription and through a Pharmacy.
Both scenarios are equally absurd but run parallel in the logic involved.
It can be argued that since cops kill people using bullets in the same fashion that street drugs kill people, then those bullets need to be regulated and dispensed in similar manner to the way cops are attempting to interfere in medical decisions they are grossly unqualified to have an opinion on, much less engage in enforcement.
If prescription drug abuse is a problem, it is properly something for medical boards to be addressing, not cops who may or may not even possess a Red Cross First Aid Card.
It’s the FDA, more than the cops, who are the problem. Someone I know well, who has signed a pain management contract, and been stable on 5heir pain meds for 6-8 years now, flunked their periodic piss test. Their offense? Alcohol consumption. Meanwhile, their insurance company has decreed that they are to have their monthly dosages of pain meds cut in half (that they have been stable on for 6-8 years now). Making things worse, they had 2 lumbar disks replaced with cadaver bone maybe 10 years ago. The one above appears to be wearing out, and now probably needs replacement. You would think that you could just pay for the pain meds yourself. Nope - DEA has apparently decreed that if an insurance company has paid for your pain meds, you can’t pay for them yourself. Their pain doctor believes that their goal is to eliminate all prescription pain meds, or at least those used for chronic pain (like for their 5 replacement disks in their spine).
Oh, no!!! The whole Supreme Court has gone MAGA!!!
As any 1st Grader can tell anyone...
The CDC and DEA is UN-Constitutional...
The Supreme Court (although getting better) still doesn't have enough guts to uphold the Constitution and just say the 'feds' have zero authority for disease control (which is wildly out of bounds at that) and drug control.
Apparently; The almighty emperor HAS to have complete control of the MOST needed human resources - Education, Healthcare, Housing, Energy..
Make no mistake; They fondle in the most required human resources not because they know better than you about what you need - but because monopolizing a required human resource is where the POWER over *all* people is.
DEA should not exist.
My body my choice
The coercive governing paradigm, i.e., authoritarianism, uses fear, threats, superstition, to maintain political power, NOT reason, rights, choice. Therefore, when you find the DEA (govt. thugs) are "dictating to doctors in a manner that would horrify anyone..." you are reporting "politics as usual". That specific policy may be unpopular, irrational, tyrannical, dangerous to our health, but so is the politics that the majority support. And the majority also believe consensus trumps rights, individual conscience, choice.
Isn't that "the root of the problem"? Do not "hack at the leaves/branches of the tree of evil. Strike at the root."- Thoreau
To achieve effective, fundamental social/economic change focus on fighting for a non-violent, decentralized, local governance.
Weirdly, part of the reason Derek Chauvin was convicted in the death of George Floyd was for not playing doctor.
"Supreme Court Tells Cops To Stop Playing Doctor"
And it will be about as effective as the court telling New York to stop infringing on people's second amendment rights.
Which means that 10 years and another 800 lawsuits from now it might produce a marginal but meaningful change.
Well, fet deaths are usually "poly" because drug dealers cut "legit illegit" drugs with the sh*t. Try buying street drugs that aren't cut with Fet these days. And good luck---you'll need it.
ALL police should be hunt down and killed. ALL.
Problem solved!
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Maybe we can stop overzealous DEA agents and overzealous DAs from prosecuting doctors who are victims of the abusive system.
Neither pain nor any other medication should require a prescription.
END THE DRUG WAR. Abolish the DEA, FBI, FDA.
The sea has been a criminal organization since it’s inception. They started out by stopping hemp growers from competing with synthetic fiber companies. One of which the uncle of the first director ran. Audubon magazine did an excellent expose on this about 20 years ago in a February issue. Not shockingly. When WW2 started increasing the demand for rope in shipping. Hemp became legal and helped win the war.
Legalize all drugs. Kill the government monopoly.
I have spent the past decade feeling like a fein and shameful of myself when my pain medication is yet again put on hold for days because of this rule and that rule and I’m told I need to stop my pill use so I’m not suffering withdrawals . It was only in this past two months that my physician of twenty years retired from his private practice, and the pharmacy has decided that the amount of medication I am prescribed must be a mistake that I guess I was lucky enough for the past twelve years to go unnoticed, and the refills that were left for me by my doctor to get me through the unfortunate timing of what I am all too familiar with, my back muscles contracting in such a tightly locked position it literally is non stop pain excruciating pain for 3-4 months straight, and because I had the original transferred once back when my doctor was still reachable, a new law on my muscle relaxers forbid Ms a second transfer. This left me in the most excruciating pain because of a pain medication that has since the 1950s not never considered a controlled medication until this past year. The “high risked of a overdose opioid” medication was not allowed refills because of a fairly new law, and I just couldn’t get them and knew this would be so rough. But when I had enough refills, and can’t have them because the pharmacist can’t trust five times a day was written in error and will “just wait for my retired doctor to call him and verify that this is accurate” . A very mild pain medication considering the pain level I was in to get me through this agonizing process with them, and without I just wanted to be taken out of my misery. When I body was thrown into withdrawals from being abruptly cut off another pain medication, I was told by every walk in urgent that they can not prescribe these medication, and desperate enough I barely made it to my car because of pain and having no strength from being in my bed, two weeks after throwing up violently and each bathroom trip so extremely painful I can make it there in less than ten minutes so my kids were cleaning up everything withdrawals did to me. Finally one doctor 150 dollars no insurance accepted gave me the “I’m not giving you heroin by prescribing both medications” and 30 of one or the other that my body had built a tolerance for and I was taking 5 per day, he would not budge. He was so overweight and had the nerve to say “so your just gonna lay around and take pills for the rest of your life even as harmful to your body as it it”. I am 44 years old, a health nut, ten years behind in my physical appearance because I medication allowed my exercise routine with pain medication and without it I can’t do anything, NOTHING! And his obesity is not concerning , my medication that helps me stay active is the issue at hand? It hit me right then as I was just wanting to go home because I was in too much pain to pay 150) for 30 pills and get lectured- I certainly wasn’t offering him any sexual services to get my medication, I have definitely had my share over the past 12 years of these medications to have suffered withdrawals that have never made me decide I want a street drug that is going to not only relieve my pain but give me a “real high” not a “oh moms in a good mood because she has her pain medication “ I don’t get high because when pain is present it doesn’t get a person high to a concerning degree. I have never noted off , left my babies to fend for themselves, steal from anyone or place or sell my body, to get pain medication. The only thing I have done is suffer through not having them and get ripped off by a doctor that is now comparing my medication needs to heroine addiction. I have never been in trouble with the law do why do I have to feel like that type of person from persons who don’t live day in and day out with back pain, that drink a twelve pack of beer looking ten years older than their age and thinking I maintain a slender body because I am whacked out in pain medication. I don’t carry a unhealthy appearance yet overweight, wrinkled before their time , and god only knows had never put the five mins in their as I have my whole life - but I’m labeled a Ferguson addict - I don’t want to be shamed for this again it’s not right what is happening. If pain medication is the start of street drugs, it was either a person’s fate with or without a pain pill first, or some person such as myself coming near fifty and never even used street drugs that can’t take the non stop pain day in and day out- even sadder because everyone that does not want street drugs is forced to spend so much more money and going into debt to not by Herron that is a true high and pain relief for much less money and now they don’t know if that’s a 20 dollar pain pill or their death they purchased because it’s something that’s too much for what they are use too. If pain medication is killing that many people that doctor la are going to prison for god sakes how is I miss the news about the daily deaths. Can one person who has supposedly overdosed from pain medication and not have had fetnyol or heroine overdose that happened to also have a norco in their system be talked about for once. Lastly, why is it in my 44 years of living that I have never been in jail or put on probation of any sort, but because I need pain relief I have to get in a long line of people and wait to pre in a cup so that I can be drug tested and feel once again like a criminal for wanting pain relief?? I am not going to resort to this! I probably made no sense but I’m venting and wanting to know where is a starting point to put a end to this . Every time I put in anything online looking for answers I get a “do need help for your opioid addiction “ instead, and it’s enough frustration already..