If Congress Bans Abortion, This New Deal Precedent Will Be at the Center of the Legal Battles
A 1942 decision about the Commerce Clause takes on new importance post-Roe.

The U.S. Supreme Court's recent decision in Dobbs v. Jackson Women's Health Organization, which overturned Roe v. Wade (1973) and eliminated the constitutional right to abortion, has raised the possibility of a future Republican-controlled Congress seeking to ban abortion nationwide. If that happens, the resulting courtroom battles will likely center on a New Deal–era Supreme Court precedent that vastly expanded the scope of congressional power.
Under the Constitution, Congress possesses the authority "to regulate Commerce…among the several States." At the time of the founding, this power was understood to be a limited one. As Alexander Hamilton explained in Federalist 17, the Commerce Clause did not extend federal authority to "the supervision of agriculture and of other concerns of a similar nature, all those things, in short, which are proper to be provided for by local legislation." While Congress was permitted to regulate economic activity that crossed state lines, in other words, it was not empowered to control wholly intrastate economic undertakings.
That changed in the 1940s as a result of the federal government sanctioning an Ohio farmer named Roscoe Filburn for growing twice the amount of wheat that he was allowed to grow under the terms of the Agricultural Adjustment Act of 1938. Congress specifically invoked its power to regulate interstate commerce while enacting that New Deal law. The statute's goal was to raise agricultural prices by limiting the supply of crops hitting the national market.
Filburn fought the law by arguing that his extra wheat was not subject to federal regulation because it never once entered the stream of interstate commerce. In fact, he pointed out, his extra wheat never even left his own farm. It was used to either feed his livestock or make flour for his family's kitchen. It was nowhere near "Commerce…among the several States."
The Supreme Court thought otherwise and issued one of the most significant rulings of the New Deal era. Filburn's extra wheat may not have crossed state lines, the Court said in Wickard v. Filburn (1942), but entirely local activity of the sort was still subject to congressional regulation if it had a "substantial economic effect" on the national market. It was a huge political win for the agenda of President Franklin Roosevelt and a significant boost to Congress' overall regulatory authority.
Congressional power was boosted again by SCOTUS in the 2005 case of Gonzales v. Raich, which extended Wickard while upholding the federal ban on marijuana, even as applied to medical marijuana that was both legal to use under state law and which was cultivated and consumed entirely within the confines of a single state. Once again, the local conduct at issue was said to have a "substantial effect" on the interstate market.
Modern liberals have generally cheered for the broad vision of congressional power endorsed by Wickard and Raich. But they may feel somewhat differently about it when congressional Republicans invoke those same precedents in support of a federal abortion ban, which would also reach down to regulate wholly local activity. What is worse, plenty of Republicans in Congress seem willing to do just that.
The good news for abortion rights supporters is that any such use of Wickard and Raich may be rejected by even some of the most anti-abortion members of the current Supreme Court. Justice Clarence Thomas, for example, sharply dissented in Raich itself, faulting the majority opinion for turning the meaning of the Commerce Clause on its head. "By holding that Congress may regulate activity that is neither interstate nor commerce under the Interstate Commerce Clause," Thomas wrote, "the Court abandons any attempt to enforce the Constitution's limits on federal power." Thomas resumed his attack on the logic of Raich just last year.
Strange as it may sound, Thomas (and possibly a few other anti-abortion justices) might conceivably vote for the abortion rights side if a federal abortion ban ever reaches the Supreme Court.
Editor's Note: As of February 29, 2024, commenting privileges on reason.com posts are limited to Reason Plus subscribers. Past commenters are grandfathered in for a temporary period. Subscribe here to preserve your ability to comment. Your Reason Plus subscription also gives you an ad-free version of reason.com, along with full access to the digital edition and archives of Reason magazine. We request that comments be civil and on-topic. We do not moderate or assume any responsibility for comments, which are owned by the readers who post them. Comments do not represent the views of reason.com or Reason Foundation. We reserve the right to delete any comment and ban commenters for any reason at any time. Comments may only be edited within 5 minutes of posting. Report abuses.
Please
to post comments
You mean Thomas and the other conservative justices might have actual principles?
What principles? That they have zero interest in actually overturning Fillburn unless that action serves DeRp?
It's not strange at all. Thomas and the other justices are not (by available evidence) anti-abortion - they were anti-Roe. In other words, I don't believe they care that much about abortion per se. I believe, however, that they care a lot about how law gets made and who gets to make it.
This. And in a libertarian spirit we now have Constitutionalist SC justices who, instead of seeking to increase their power, seek to return to the proper body legislative responsibility to the legislature and executive responsibility to the President. When the three branches become unequal and infringe upon the other branches responsibilities nothing good results. I’m not an exact fan of government inefficiency but returning to people doing their proper job seems to make for a better chance on outcomes.
Check and balance system only works when you have 1 rational branch the Supreme Court is libritarianz best hope
I actually have made $18k within a calendar month via working easy jobs from a laptop. As I had lost my last business, I was so upset and thank God I searched this simple job (bet-12) achieving this I'm ready to achieve thousand of dollars just from my home. All of you can certainly join this best job and could collect extra money on-line visiting this site.
>>>>>>>>>> http://getjobs49.tk
if you believe that, i got a bridge for sale.....
if you read the opinion, it is clear they put the desired outcome first, and strained to manufacture the rationale for it....
RvW was the court literally legislating from the bench. Overturning it was the correct thing to do for that reason alone.
legislation absolutely should have followed RvW to codify it..... true.
but Roe was not wrong. to enforce abortion bans, you have to violate privacy. you have to perform medical tests on women, and disclose the results of those tests to even know a woman is pregnant, let alone how far along she is.
we had laws that violated people's rights, and the court tossed those out..... that isn't "legislating from the bench," it is EXACTLY what the court is supposed to do......
The legislature writes legislation. The courts decides the validity of the legislation. It's not supposed to write it, as was done in RvW.
it did not write anything.... it decided the validity of abortion bans. i know this can be hard to understand for someone looking for an excuse to not like something, but that is the way it is supposed to work.
You're wrong. The ruling literally wrote the law. This isn't about whether I like anything or not. It's about principle.
ok, lets try to explain this to you.....
in another recent case, there was a law in New York that had unconstitutional requirements to carry a firearm. the court found that law violated people's rights and it nullified the law...... no law was written.
similarly.... there once were laws completely banning abortion. the court found that violated people's rights, and nullified the law.... no law was written..
the only difference between these two rulings is which political group think they satisfy or piss off. you can claim principle till the cows come home, it is just BS.
Look up RvW. The ruling was treated as law. It wasn't that some law was upheld or struck down. The ruling became the law.
The ruling said "In this case this, in that case that..."
It didn't affirm or reject legislation. It became legislation.
> here once were laws completely banning abortion. the court found that violated people's rights, and nullified the law.... no law was written..
if that had been the extent of roe, it would have been on sounder foundations. however, that wasn't the extent of roe
the court in roe instituted a trimester framework out of nothing. nothing in the history supported that framework. nothing in the briefings supported that framework. nothing in the text of the constitution indicated that framework (saying an implied right to privacy isn't enough. you need to explain, for instance, where it indicates a trimester framework and rules out a quarterly framework)
Thank you.
that is not writing law, that is acknowledging it isn't a simple yes no answer. there comes a point where the child becomes known to the world without the woman telling anyone. in English common law, it was the quickening. (conveniently ignored by the ruling.) in my personal opinion it is when the woman is showing. for most Americans, it is around viability......
the court was saying you could not flat out ban all abortions, but was also saying abortions could be banned after a certain point. the right to abortions is not absolute. you don't have to violate the privacy of a woman who is 8 months pregnant to know she is pregnant.
quickening/viability/outward signs can be a bit subjective, so they set the line around trimesters...... at around the same point all those other things (quickening/viability/outward signs) start to happen. that isn't writing laws, it is trying to clearly establish where the limit is. that is why several states have much more open abortion access..... roe did not write a single law, it only established where the limit was before you were wrongly violating other fundamental rights.
I'm not trying to have a contest with you Foo.
What I am trying to do is point out how RvW was different from other rulings.
Set what it was about aside for a moment.
The ruling didn't say "Hey, this legislation is good, keep it."
Neither did it say "Hey, this legislation is bunk, pitch it."
Instead it created policy.
That is why I, regardless of my opinion on the subject, support the ruling against RvW. And why I hope this court shakes the foundations of the New Deal.
This is exciting!
it did not create policy. it established the limit of government to infringe on people's rights. it said government could restrict abortions after a defined point, but not before..... if they created policy, there would not have been 6 or 7 states that allowed abortion later.
it only feels like they created policy to those who really really want to control other people's ovaries, privacy rights be damned.... because it stopped that from happening.
it established the limit of government to infringe on people's rights
That IS creating law, which s Congress’ role.
The court also ignored any rights of the child.
It *IS* law that stops legislative law from tyranny... /s
Pro-Life B.S. propaganda 101....
Ya; It's the Supreme Law of the land. The U.S. Constitution. And here you are trying to pretend the very definition of the USA is a mistake.
In the case of the firearm, there is an enumerated right, in the Constitution, prohibiting infringement on that right.
In the case of abortion, and a claimed right to privacy; there is no right.
The "right to privacy" was created by the SC, and they had no power to do so.
4th Amendment; "The right of the people to be secure in their persons"
Pro-Life B.S. Gov-Gun Power-Mad, "What right?"
Yeah F'You Gov-Gun growing dictators; You're all hypocritical P.O.S. busybodies who can't mind your own F'En business and want Gov-Gun growth into everyone's PERSONAL lifes.
and the court may NOT mke laws not already in place at the federal level, binding on the states.Since this never WAS a federal issue (their fairy tale about "emanations and penumbras" was a hali mary pass deep into tne endzone on an impossible chance of receiving it. It was recieved, held on to for awhile, but now has hit the ground and does not count. Get over it. For laws to be valid, CONGRESS and CONGRESS ALONE must enact them. You see, the courts do not respond to the peopl,e but our elected representatives do.. or are supposed to.
Didjya sleep through your third grade civics class?
No you don't. Sorry but you and the rest of your progressive fellow travellers created this mess and encroached on every aspect of human life so you don't get to plead murder is a special case because it makes you feel good.
No, it’s the opposite of what a court is supposed to do. The court ruled correctly on Hobbs. Roe was a blatant overreach of judiciary power.
I compleatly agree roe was a blatent over reach of judicial power. Good thing the current Supreme Court over turned it
Pro-Life, "The U.S. Constitution is a blatant over-reach."
F'You dictating busybodies with ZERO respect for the USA.
legislation absolutely should have followed RvW to codify it
No - that's backward. The Supreme Court is not there to uphold legislation that Congress might make in the future.
it clarified the right to privacy of the woman while also saying that right was not unlimited..... congress definitely should have passed legislation defining where the line was. (and then we would not have the mess we have now.)
congress definitely should have passed legislation defining where the line was
And until it does so, the Supreme Court is limited to pointing out that the Constitution takes no stand on the issue.
Congress arguably doesn't have the right to legislate on abortion one way or the other, in just the same way that Congress doesn't legislate on murder or rape. That doesn't mean murder and rape are legal, or are constitutional rights, it means they are matters for state law.
Personally, I support abortion rights. But if you believe abortion to be murder, we don't recognize privacy rights as trumping the state's right to investigate murder.
"But if you believe abortion to be murder, we don't recognize privacy rights as trumping the state's right to investigate murder."
except.... we absolutely do.... no matter how many murderers we might catch, we still require cops to show probable cause and get a warrant before they can search your house. to find those who get abortions, you have to do the search to even know the child exists..... it is impossible to have probable cause before you violate their privacy.
we still require cops to show probable cause and get a warrant before they can search your house
And once probable cause is shown, your right to privacy means bupkiss.
By your logic, Roe does not actually forbid laws restricting abortion, only the enforcement of them. Which is not how it has ever been interpreted.
how do you get probable cause for a fetus you never know existed? these bans, by nature, REQUIRE violating women's rights.
how do you get probable cause for a fetus you never know existed? these bans, by nature, REQUIRE violating women's rights.
So - is your interpretation of Roe that "laws against murder can't be enforced where the state doesn't know about the murder and therefore states can't make laws against murdering unborn children?"
i notice you are not answering the question..... and you still seem to be missing the point.
laws banning abortion REQUIRE violating privacy rights. enforcement isn't the problem, it is that the law is utterly meaningless without preemptive privacy violations. the privacy violation is not a bug, it is a requirement of the law.
i notice you are not answering the question
You didn't ask a question. You asserted that the Supreme Court should have upheld legislation that Congress would pass after the Supreme Court upheld it.
I did ask you a question, which was:
is your interpretation of Roe that "laws against murder can't be enforced where the state doesn't know about the murder and therefore states can't make laws against murdering unborn children?"
A question which you avoided with an accusation that I'm avoiding answering questions.
"how do you get probable cause for a fetus you never know existed? "
sorry if that was not direct enough for you to recognize it as a question.........
and i did answer your question.....
"enforcement isn't the problem, it is that the law is utterly meaningless without preemptive privacy violations. the privacy violation is not a bug, it is a requirement of the law."
I'm sorry this very basic concept seems too difficult for you to grasp..... any ban prior to the woman showing outward signs requires someone to be FORCED to disclose the fact that she was pregnant in the first place.
"how do you get probable cause for a fetus you never know existed? "
Exactly - this is what I'm asking you.
If you believe this to be the court's reasoning, then why aren't murder laws struck down on the same pretext?
In order for you to know I have a body buried in my backyard, you have to invade my privacy, no?
re: "laws banning abortion REQUIRE violating privacy rights"
No, they don't. No more than any other law.
"In order for you to know I have a body buried in my backyard, you have to invade my privacy, no?"
and, unless they have probable cause.... the cops can't look......
the difference with abortion is that it is not even possible to have probable cause until after you search. your privacy has to be violated before anyone knows there is anything to have probable cause for. having probable cause to violate someones privacy is central to your position, not mine.... but nice try on the misdirect to avoid the fact that you can't justify it.
no we'd have a different far more difficult to sort out mess.The Court did the wrong thing in 73, and the right thing fifty years later.
The right thing is MORE, MORE, MORE Gov-Gun POWER in the people's PERSONAL life's... /s
Again. Abortion requires a balancing of rights. You seem to believe only one person has rights.
you seem to believe you have some clue what i believe. i have NEVER said that abortion should be allowed without any restrictions, and i have repeatedly pointed to the point where you can know a woman is pregnant without her medical records as a point where balance is reached..... before that, you are prioritizing the rights of someone nobody even knows exists.
Your entire right to privacy is predicated on the privacy of the mother with no consideration for the rights of the child.
Yes we know the child exists, it is why they are having an abortion.
Again, youre imagining a magic birth canal fairy determines an individual.
you are the one still falsely imagining my position..... even after having it explicitly pointed out that i set the line nowhere near the moment of birth..... but i can see you need a good straw man to keep your BS going.
how do you know the child exists? we are talking before there is the baby bump..... the only possible way to know the woman is pregnant is with medical tests, and forcing the disclosure of the results of those medical tests. this is not an existential question.... you don't fucking know that child ever existed. you CAN'T fucking know without violating her privacy.....
any time before that trip down the birth canal still affects it, or even after the trip has been made. You REFUSE to admit that that "thing" growingin there is not a kitten or a wllabee or an elk.. it is a HUMAN CHILD. WHen someone fires a shot at a woman who is carrying a baby inside her, and hits the baby and kills her, he is up for manslaughter. Two counts of the Mother dies as well from hisgunshot. Now HOW does that reality square with the idea that thing" in there is not a human child?
Next you will be trying toconvince me that people wiht two prominent breasts and a irth canal are men. Or that people wiht an organ dangling well out in front of his hips is a woman. Sorry I put that in the same category as emanationis and penumbrae.
man.... really piling on the straw men, here. you forgot to throw in something about vaccine mandates. (while missing that controlling another person's body while violating their privacy is what you are trying to justify.)
You seem to think laws against abortion are enforced against a woman, before she has the abortion, and that it is violating her privacy to gain the knowledge she is in that condition.
The laws are enforced on those who perform abortions, and it is a given that the woman was pregnant, otherwise the abortion couldn't have been performed.
The privacy right emanating from a penumbra, was claimed to come from the 14th, not the 4th amendment.
how do you know either that the woman was pregnant or that she had an abortion? you have to access her private medical records. whether you go after her directly or not is irrelevant.
and that is if you ignore the utter stupidity of relying on the providers to report themselves for punishment..... no way they would ever fudge the records you are forcing them to give you to incriminate themselves......
Let me clarify something for you. Banning abortion and restricting abortion is the exact same thing. If you are restricting abortion after the first trimester, you are banning abortion after the first trimester. If you are restricting abortion to only rape and incest then you are banning abortion except for rape and incest. If you are restricting abortion to when the baby's head appears between the mother's thighs then you are banning abortion when the baby's head appears between the mother's thighs.
In your false equivalent about New York's unconstitutional restriction: It was an unconstitutional restriction to have to provide a compelling reason beyond (x) to exercise your second amendment. It was an unconstitutional ban to have to provide a compelling reason beyond (x) to exercise your second amendment. It would be (will be since they have already passed the law in direct opposition to contained text within the decision) and unconstitutional restriction to not allow weapons to be carried in any place within the state of New York. It would be (will be) and unconstitutional ban to not allow weapons to be carried in any place within the state of New York.
The difference between your examples which you somehow manage to miss is that when Dobbs overturned Roe, there was no underlying right nor legislation upon which to fall back on. When the Supreme Court invalidated New York's unconstitutional ban, there was an underlying constitutional right and/or legislation to refer back to. YUGE difference. Now had the Democrats not needed something to campaign finance on/drive the vote, they could have written legislation many, many times since 1973. They chose not to. Thus when Roe was overturned, there was no underlying right or legislation to fall back on.
Both persons have rights...
The 'baby' has a right to be free'd from it's prison (i.e. Fetal Ejection)
The 'woman' has a right to her body....
If you cannot support ?baby? freedom.
UR supporting FORCED reproduction.
*REALITY*
That is a gross mischaracterization of what Roe decided. While in some cases, prosecution of an abortion ban requires intrusive tests, in many other cases (I would venture to say the vast majority of cases), the act of an abortion can be proven or disproven without any reference to the medical tests at all.
Again, the social policy position that abortion bans are bad and/or counterproductive does not establish the legal position that Roe was the right way to enact that policy.
i am still amazed at those of you who live in this imaginary world where you think you can know someone had an abortion without ever even knowing they were pregnant in the first place..... how do you think that works?
Once again, a wild-eyed mischaracterization - this time about how privacy law, or in fact any law, in the US actually works.
that is not a mischaracterization.... you flat out said you think a vast majority of abortions can be proven without violating a woman's privacy......
over half of abortions are done at home with medication.
99% of abortions are done before the fetus weighs 10 ounces, with no outward signs of pregnancy.
the vast majority of the remaining 1% fall into the life of the mother and severe fetal abnormalities that nobody has any problems with aborting.
the reality is that you are asserting things contrary to reality.....
If abortifacients are made illegal, it will be decided by each of the states, and will be enforced by the prohibitions on their sale or being provided, not on women, who might want to purchase one.
You are erecting a straw man, when everyone talking about abortion is referring to a procedure performed on a woman, whose pregnancy isn't discovered, by the authorities before the baby is removed, but is a given, due to the procedure.
Most of the states that want to restrict abortions don't intend on the woman being punished, but for the abortionist to take the hit.
if "everyone talking about abortion is referring to a procedure on a woman," then why the did you START by talking about banning the sale of abortifacients? if that is what "everyone" meant..... nobody would be doing shit to those drugs
The States regulate medical practice in myriad ways. Are these unconstitutional privacy violations?
you are on the wrong site to assume i like other regulations.... you will have to be more specific to decide whether they are unconstitutional or just stupid.
Oh, I'm pretty sure that Thomas is anti-abortion as well as anti-Roe. He's like to put an end to abortion, but (to paraphrase Robert Bolt's Thomas More) isn't willing to cut a wide road through the constitution to do it.
Barrett, too.
Overturning WvP would be AWESOME!
Yes. And it would be hilarious if it happened in a case where the 'conservative' justices voted to block a Republican abortion ban while the 'liberal' justices voted to uphold the law (as in Raich) in order to preserve commerce clause superpowers.
The left just wants their way. They don't care how, and they have no principles other than might makes right.
The right is supposed to be principled. Meaning they should block a federal abortion ban, even if it's what they want, because the power to do so is not given to the federal government by the Constitution.
In a sane world….
Scarsmic wouldn't exist
Well said Sarcasmic. Excellent point.
A week or two ago I was listening to some progressive whine and cry about how the new Supremes could start dismantling the federal administrative state. It really wouldn't take more than a few rulings to do so. Striking down WvP would be a stake through the heart of many alphabet agencies. This is kind of exciting.
THE DIRTY DOZEN by Rovert A Levy Mellor William
The 12 SCOTUS decisions that are behind our Nation's distress.
things that republicans might never do for $1000.00?
but we must scare people into thinking they will
becomes easy when many of them are SAYING they want to do it at a national level and ARE DOING it at the state level........
https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2022-06-24/supreme-court-abortion-decision-political-fallout
this isn't imaginary..... republicans, themselves, are saying they will do this.
Did you RTFA?
Your dumb article even says there's little support among republicans for a national ban.
i apparently read more than you did...... for one, it does not say what you claim anywhere.... the closest it comes is that a few republicans are cautioning against overreach. (translation... they want to do it too, but fear the backlash.)
it gives direct quotes from prominent republicans calling for a nationwide ban.
it points out that republicans have ALREADY INTRODUCED BILLS to ban abortion. (164 cosigners in the house version, 16 for the senate version.)
you have to be a special kind of stupid to pretend the other side is making this up......
Aw, poor commie boy having a hussy fit now that you can't force conformity on others through usurped powers as much. Go do the world the favor your mom failed to and abort yourself.
the only one here who wants to use force is republicans.
how retarded do you guys have to be to think "mind your own business" is "forcing conformity?"
No, all democrats want to use force. You leftists are all totalitarians at your core. Your kind are certainty violent. Given all the pro abortion rioting since the very correct Hobbs decision as handed down.
the only one here who wants to use force is republicans
Sure, criminalizing misgendering is just warm hug.
straw man.... and irrelevant to the discussion.
They were also definitely, undoubtedly going to repeal ObamaCare, just as soon as they got hold of that majority that would enable it.
And the Democrats are going to get on that $15/hr Federal Minimum Wage any minute now . . .
"They were also definitely, undoubtedly going to repeal ObamaCare, just as soon as they got hold of that majority that would enable it."
they missed it by one vote because Trump pissed off McCain.....
they missed it by one vote because Trump pissed off McCain
There were no circumstances under which McCain would have voted to repeal, Trump or not.
Political posturing - how does it work?
point is that the attempt to do it failed by just one vote...... the desire and intent was not manufactured..... so using it as a "they would not really do it" example is kind of stupid.
point is that the attempt to do it failed by just one vote
And yet mere months before the very same Congress overwhelmingly voted to repeal it.
are you just trying to look dumb?
You skipped the part that said support os well below the threshold for a veto-proof majority.
But just like every other leftist, you can't argue abortion on the merits so you resort to your bizarre obsessive Handmaid's Tale fantasies.
Now do "Defund the Police".
has raised the possibility of a future Republican-controlled Congress seeking to ban abortion nationwide.
By sending it to the states they will force a federal law. Wait what? Only one side is curreny screaming to codify it at the federal level.
Seriously! This deflective attempt is just bizarre. I'm really tired of this practice of the left doing something and then Reason, instead of calling that out, they ponder about the right doing the same thing without mentioning what the left has done.
It's so tiring.
Here comes Jeff to tell you what a partisan R you are for cracking the code
39 minutes later….
But they typically DO mention what the left has done. Even in this article, they point out that it was left-wing judges that vastly expanded the scope of the Commerce Clause to encompass economic activity that the Founding Fathers had not contemplated.
What they don't do, is follow the Team Red script of focusing ONLY on Team Blue while ignoring the perfidy of Team Red.
As tribes, Team Red and Team Blue are fundamentally the same. They give lip service to gauzy concepts like liberty and freedom, but in the end, they rely on demagoguery and fear to scare up votes in a quest for power to impose an agenda.
You know the rules.
Criticize Team Red and "YOU VOTED FOR BIDEN YOU WANT THIS AAUUGHH!"
Criticize both Teams and "BOFF SIDEZ! YOU VOTED FOR BIDEN AAUUUGHH!"
Criticize Team Blue and "Now there is a thoughtful and insightful comment. Fair and balanced, looking at the entire picture without any bias at all. You are a true libertarian."
Yet, that's not me. You should actually know that based on the discussions that we have had. But I guess your need for lazy sarcastic trolling is too strong to suppress, huh?
It's exactly what you did.
"You're talking about the right doing something without talking about the left doing it first, or too, or something but you're supposed to talk about them also!"
You're following rule #1.
And yeah, that usually isn't you. I'm kind of disappointed.
Jesus, dude. You are fucking broken.
I'm talking about Reason speculating what happens if the right decides to do something that the left is actively advocating for and trying to do.
I know you have this schtick of condescending critique of Reason, but it's getting absurd.
Critiquing Reason, or anyone else, based upon what they don't say is a big peeve of mine.
"What they don't say says more than what they do say, because not talking about this means they believe that."
I call it bull.
I'm really tired of this practice of the left doing something and then Reason, instead of calling that out, they ponder about the right doing the same thing without mentioning what the left has done.
So... Fucking... What...
Do you get pissed when they trash Democrats without bringing up Republicans?
I'm actually still waiting for this to happen. When it does I will try to react appropriately.
I know it's a big peeve of yours. Your constant sad sarcasm trolling on that issue is quite evident of it. And it honestly drastically takes away from your credibility.
I will most definitely critique Reason when they decide to speculate about something the Dems might do while ignoring Repubs actually doing it.
Jeff,
Watching your logic implode over the last few weeks trying to scrape for any defense of the left that you can find has been eye-opening for sure. I used to enjoy your counter-points to a degree, but your predictable knee-jerk tribal defense of the left is just getting tired at this point.
I mean, it's so predictable that people literally called out that you would respond as you did to my comment.
EVERY national prolife lobbying group is looking to make this a federal issue. That's why lobbying groups are NATIONAL and why they open offices in and around DC
Now now, you know the double standard around here.
When left-wing lobbying groups propose legislation, we should take that as a worrying trend by authoritarian Democrats to impose soul-crushing tyranny on the nation.
But when right-wing lobbying groups propose legislation, we should brush them off as the idle musings of powerless nobodies.
We should take it as a worrying trend because they control the legislature and the media that runs cover for them. Oh, and because I don’t think there is one law that they have proposed or want to implement that actually increased freedom.
And as usual, most of the people complaining about Reason’s reporting on any topic is that they (like you) constantly yell “both sides” and then focus nearly all of their attention on the Republicans who, again, don’t control the legislature or the presidency and the last time they did focused on reducing taxes and not outlawing abortion.
Well, of course they are. That's because they're one-issue lobby groups, which means they'll push for anything that will further their cause. Since adherence to constitutional limits on federal power isn't part of their one issue, they don't give a rat's ass about it. Conservative legislators, on the other hand, have a broader perspective, and where appropriate should tell the prolife lobbying group to take it to the states (or get the constitution amended).
That's because they're one-issue lobby groups, which means they'll push for anything that will further their cause. Since adherence to constitutional limits on federal power isn't part of their one issue, they don't give a rat's ass about it.
^
Which is also why in order to get money from them you may wind up taking a more extreme position than your electorate really wants. But,
Conservative legislators, on the other hand, have a broader perspective
and skin in the game, electorally speaking, that the lobbyists don't have. I expect much noise will be made, and people will campaign on a national abortion ban, but in the end it will fail.
they'll push for anything that will further their cause
as long as it isn't a solution that negates their fundraising efforts.
And pro-abortion lobbyist are calling for Roe to be codified all the way up to crowning. That doesn’t mean every, or even most, Democrat in office is. But I can’t think of one that has come out and agreed with the Supreme Court that this is a state matter.
And pro-abortion lobbyist are calling for Roe to be codified all the way up to crowning.
This is the thing - "up to crowning" is not codifying Roe. Collins and Murkowski introduced a bill to codify Roe and congressional Democrats rejected it in favor of trying to expand on Roe.
Fair enough, should have said codify and expand Roe.
Okay. Show the drafted law by a gop senator.
What interest groups do has no meaning until it is approached in an actual legislative branch.
One side of the current legislative branch is talking about laws, the other is not.
Fuck off chicken little.
And they have majorities in both houses and a president promising to sign. But yeah the Republicans are the real threat. Wouldn't their legislation run afoul of the commerce clause as well? Or will Root twist himself into a pretzel explaining why it's AOK. Reason has become a total clown show.
"If Congress Bans Abortion"
There is zero chance of this happening any time soon. Even if the Republicans gain majorities in both the House and the Senate in November, there is no chance that they will achieve a veto-proof majority. So the absolute earliest this could happen would be 2025, and even that depends on a lot of uncertain future events.
^ This. It will never happen. Never, never, never ever.
Never.
This is read meat tossed around by abortion rights freaks-- including the author-- to raise money.
If Congress can't get a law outlawing abortions past the Supreme Court why isn't equally likely a law making them legal equally likely to run into the same problem?
Shh, they have a narrative to sell.
Because Democrats control both houses, the White House, and the media right now?
I didn't say they couldn't get it past the Supreme Court.
I said it's pointless to talk about whether a national abortion ban will get past the Supreme Court when it can't get past Congress and the White House.
Now your suggested reversal might be worth talking about.
Except only a small minority of republican voters are in favor of an outright ban. It will never happen.
Reason makes up shit about the SC banning abortion, why not make up shit about congress banning abortion also?
#libertariansformoralpanic
Democrats a fifty years to put abortion into federal law. Five decades. Two and a half scores.
It's their own damn fault for thinking RvW was settled.
A Republican majority on the Supreme Court WROTE Roe v Wade...
Idiot.
Conservatives on SCOTUS voted to uphold the Constitution, nothing more. They didn’t vote to ban abortion. We don’t know what their personal opinion on whether abortion ought to be legal even is. They made it clear that they consider abortion a state matter.
Your fear mongering and repeating Democrat talking points.
We don’t know what their personal opinion on whether abortion ought to be legal even is.
And even abject favorable speculation would only really lead to one clear "No abortion under (nearly) any circumstance." vote and even that vote seems likely to be confounding the "Woman's choice" narrative layered on top of RvW. Is the assumption that Brett "I like beer" Kavanaugh and Neil "'Converted' to LGBT-friendly Episcopalian" Gorsuch are going to go full Puritan? Even Amy "Bubble Ordinance" Coney Barrett doesn't seem willing to go that far.
I missed that part in the Constitution about every person's right to be secure in themselves EXCEPT for those carrying 'potential life'...
YOU
ARE
FULL
OF
SHIT.
Total worst case, they pass an amendment outlawing abortion. Will libertarians decry then?
The opposite is also true. Pro-lifers could challenge a Federal law legalizing abortion nationwide by challenging its basis in the Commerce Clause.
True. And you may recall that a number of Democrat congress members introduced such a bill, claiming that abortion affected interstate commerce. It apparently did not occur to them that their opponents could make the same claim.
Congress doesn't ban rainmakers.
Ha ha ridiculous article. Not happening. Now the opposite may be tried and I believe would also fail
1. SCOTUS throws abortion decisions to the states
2. Democrats threaten a federal law allowing abortion
3. some on SCOTUS think the constitution doesn’t allow federal law on this issue
4. Democrats hold the presidency and House
What’s the big political issue in Damon Root’s mind? The GOP might someday try to enact an abortion law. You can’t make this stuff up.
In fairness to Damon, I think his point was the way the New Deal Court had overreached in its interpretation of Commerce Clause, which went far beyond anything the Founders ever imagined; how the Progressive Left has consistently cheered this development; and, how the Progressive Left’s brainchild could very well come back to haunt them. I suspect he meant to point out the irony here.
Agreed. Thing is, you're not supposed to be fair to the writers. They all voted for Biden, remember? Even the ones who said they didn't.
To be fair, the R/Mises narrative here is:
if someone voted for Biden, then they are to blame for a Biden presidency because Biden really lost.
if someone voted for Jorgensen, then they are to blame for a Biden presidency because Biden really lost.
If someone didn't vote, then they are to blame for Biden blah blah.
If someone voted for Trump, then they are both a Rino and to blame for Biden blah blah and because they failed to show up armed on Jan 6 for a real insurrection insurrection.
Hmmm…sounds like a mirror image of what the Democrats and their media allies were saying in 2016, with one modification:
“…if someone voted for Trump, either they were brainwashed by Russian misinformation on Facebook, or (according to the Green Party) they actually voted for Clinton but had their votes changed by Russian hackers.”
More like they’re to blame because they voted for Biden. Doesn’t really matter if he’s legitimate or not, by voting for Biden, whose campaign website made no bones about what he planned to do in office, they implicitly endorsed all of this.
I just don't care. Voting for Biden isn't an endorsement or a credit for everything he ends up doing anyway. Just as my vote for Kanye isn't representative of my belief in the state of modern rap music.
Voting for Biden isn't an endorsement or a credit for everything he ends up doing
That is exactly what your vote. You hired him to do a job. If he screws it up, that was your bad judgement on his capabilities and the tasks you've given him.
You don't have to hate your new hire, but you do have to get rid of him and examine your judgement.
Except he does that in the framework of how horrible it is the Right can use that progressive brainchild. Oh, and he's not chastising the left for having created leviathan only the Right for potentially, occasionally harnessing it. He's a prog ond only sees these things in how it helps/hurts the left.
Well, depending on how the next two elections pan out, by 2025 there is a realistic nonzero probability that Republicans will have unified control of DC including a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate. If that happens, I think it is likely that there will *at least* be a bill proposed for a nationwide abortion ban, and it may come down to Susan Collins or Lisa Murkowski whether or not it would pass.
Various Team Red pieces of legislation already proposed:
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/3548140-house-republicans-weigh-national-abortion-restrictions/
How many of these are serious proposals, and how many are just grandstanding for the base, who knows. But there is definite support for a nationwide abortion ban.
Shhhh! There's a narrative going on here! Don't fuck it up with facts!
I mean, the former Vice President has called for a nationwide abortion ban. He is not exactly some fringe nobody.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/06/24/abortion-supreme-court-trump-pence-republicans-roe/
I keep saying that what gun politics are to Team Red, abortion politics are to Team Blue. In this case it's the response to the other side that is eerily similar. Whenever Team Blue proposes some gun control, they always say "relax, we're not coming for your guns, we just want 'common sense gun control'". And Team Red rightly points out that this is a ruse, that they really do want far more than simply 'common sense gun control'. Well, here it is the same. Team Red is saying "relax, we're not coming for your abortions, we just want 'common sense abortion restrictions'". But this too is a ruse, as evidenced by the proposals that already exist from Team Red for nationwide abortion bans. I don't think we would ever see a draconian abortion ban along the lines of the reddest of red states that bans virtually all abortion after the moment of conception, but I do think that something like a nationwide abortion ban at something like 15 weeks is definitely in the realm of possibility and should not be dismissed out of hand.
>>He is not exactly some fringe nobody.
you have more sway with (R) than Pence does.
Is he calling for a nationwide ban through constitutional amendment or through legislation? I only skimmed the article, but it looked like he was being silent on that fairly important question.
Ok big difference between gun rights and abortion. Gun rights are an explicitly stated right in the constitution, 2A.
Abortion is not mentioned and was invented by seven of nine robes back in 1972.
So find something else to compare
Well that and, last time I checked, the mere act of owning a gun doesn’t end up with a dead human.*
*most abortion debates aren’t about a two week old blastocyst they’re about the average which is something like 8-10 weeks.
And by the way. If Team Red had more consistently stuck to its principles on subsidiarity over the past several years, their claims that they are not interested in making abortion a federal issue might carry some more weight. But instead we saw that Team Red consistently abandon their principles in favor of whatever was expedient in order to fight the culture war. For example they say they are in favor of local control of education, except when that local control results in schoolteachers reading books about 'the gay lifestyle' to kids, then it's time for statewide bans. They don't want national subsidy programs that pick winners and losers, except when it came to Trump's tariffs which were explicitly a national kickback scheme rewarding farmers for their loyalty in voting for him. These were always defended as "pwning the left" or "getting tough on China" or some such. So I don't believe for one minute that Team Red will, given the opportunity, actually stick with principle and refrain from passing a nationwide abortion ban. OF COURSE THEY WILL. And they will rationalize the contradiction away it just like they have rationalized all the other contradictions away.
You got to back off the partisanship a bit more, Jeff. I know you can.
There's been a big split in Republicans recently. This can sort of broadly be along the lines of fusionist conservatives and popularists. The popularist wing has been ascendant lately and does not actually have any real strong subsidiary beliefs. They're possibly described as the "socially conservative, fiscally liberal" wing. Even that's complicated though as certain folks in there are very localist, like militantly so. So, I don't disagree with you that we've seen this movement lately in the Republican party, but I'm saying it's complicated and the Republican party is coalitional, as is the Democratic party.
And it varies around the country. We'll see how this plays out, but Arizona just passed by far the most sweeping school choice bill in American history. Pushing towards a truly individualist notion of schooling.
They also had a pretty rough Covid lockdown here (though better than many, not in any way the best. I was talking to my local head of the Chamber of Commerce and he has horror stories for ya.) It's complicated.
We all have our partisan aspects, Jeff. I certainly do. I'm clearly more sympathetic to Republicans, and my libertarianism is distinctly a right-libertarian. But, you have to just keep putting forth effort to not be too partisan. Try to fight it. Keep practicing and you get better at it.
May I ask which state you live in? I live in Arizona again.
I fear I come off as patronizing, Jeff. But it's because I like you and can tell you're basically being earnest, which is way more valuable in discussion than any specific belief.
LOL
Thanks BUCS. I appreciate your comments too, they are generally quite thoughtful.
Give it a few more years. After a decade of this sbit you'll realize jeff can't change his stripes and he is a liberal who rarely sticks to any principles outside of his party.
That's ok, as long as he appropriately appeals to pretentiousness and passivity.
I said it many times before and I’ll say it again, Jeff got kicked off another site for the same stupid stodgy partisanship bickering he does here.
Trump won the Republican nomination and Jeff’s baboon smooth brain broke because people on the site didn’t immediately shit their pants and start denouncing the Republican Party. It’s been SEVEN FUCKING YEARS and he’s making the same boring fucking arguments that Rick Wilson and the North American Man Boy Lincoln Association make.
He used to be a tolerable contrarian and make interesting points. That ship sailed a long time ago.
What exactly do you want me to say? Hail Trump?
I find Trump to be a disgusting human being who never should have been elected. He has no principles, he has no moral center, he is a grifter and a conman, he is a demagogue of the highest order, he has the attention span of a gnat, and he has got to be the world's biggest narcissist. I utterly loathe and detest the man. And note that my disgust is not about his policies. It is about HIM PERSONALLY.
This is not me taking some contrarian position for the sake of argument. That is what I sincerely believe.
So what do you want me to say?
See what I mean?
Yesterday Jeff called a Republican candidate stupid because he thought the candidate was being serious about how the Green New Deal was going to clean up our air and send it to China. When I told him he obviously wasn't being serious, Jeff thought it was double-standards to justify when Republicans say something stupid.
Jeff thought this guy was seriously advocating for the Green New Deal, not because that makes sense for a Republican candidate for US Senate, but because he saw something that sounded stupid and immediately assumed the man was genuinely that stupid because he's a Republican.
I did not "assume he was stupid because he's a Republican". He said genuinely stupid shit about the US cleaning the air and then the air "deciding to float over to China's bad air", and then China's "bad air" moving over to our "good air space". This is completely bonkers. He is obviously arguing AGAINST the Green New Deal because, hey, once we clean the air, the good air is just going to "decide" to float away, right? So what's the point? It is the most idiotic argument against the Green New Deal that I have ever heard.
And the whole point of my comment was that if Biden had said the exact same thing, the right-wingers here would pounce on it as yet more proof that he's a senile imbecile. But because Republican Hershel Walker said it, as you are now demonstrating, you are attempting to find the important meaning in it despite the idiocy, and slamming ME for having the temerity to mock a very mock-worthy statement. "How DARE you criticize Republicans! You're just being mean! You're just an anti-Republican bigot! LEAVE HERSHEL ALONE!"
Republicans should be taken seriously but not literally. They are entitled to say whatever stupid shit that they like and if we normal people have trouble parsing the idiotic comments, then that is because we haven't tried hard enough.
Democrats should be taken literally, and when they say stupid shit, it's because they're stupid, end of story.
Sure, not every single Republican has abandoned principles of subsidiarity. But those that haven't are letting those that have drive the bus now.
I'm trying to find the graphic from the 2016 or 2020 election, I forget which, but it showed Republican and Democrat voters plotted on a 2-D plot of fiscal liberalism/conservatism, and social liberalism/conservatism, and it showed that both Team Red and Team Blue were basically now fiscally liberal, and what separated them was social issues now.
Yes, I'm saying the populists have become ascendant. There's a comment here you made of "those that haven't are letting those that have drive the bus now."
There are fiscally conservative Republican types now, but they're simply outvoted by the other ones. The people are voting these types of folks in and that's what happens. The bus metaphor presumes a central level of control in the RNC that's not actually true. Primaries don't work that way anymore.
Good god, politicians are doing what voters want them to do! The horror!
Chemjeff, you don’t give a duck about subsidiarity when you want to impose your favorite policies, but you do when opposing others.
Stop the day drinking. I know what I'm talking about.
Let's hope this plays out exactly as the article outlines above.
Republican majority in all three branches leads to nationwide abortion ban, which is quickly overruled by the SCOTUS in an massive overturn of Wickard.
Liberty breaks out all over America. I am praying for this.
I trust this is not a Catholic prayer…
haha, well played.
When Dems had 60 Senators, they couldn't codify Roe, but if Republicans get 60 Senators, they won't just codify a 15 week ban, but a complete national ban.
Right.
This speculative, political scaremongering and clickbaiting is just absurd at this point. It's so tiring anymore.
It's the political equivalent of a rape fantasy. They get off on it. "oh, the evil republicans will enslave me and force me to give birth at church!" Dominate me daddy.
The more feverish the hysteria the hotter they get.
A restriction of elective abortions to before 15 weeks is hardly an “abortion ban”. And that’s the most restrictive Republicans would go; they do answer to voters after all.
But I’m pretty sure SCOTUS would still strike it down.
You're hitting it right on the nose. Leaving aside the breathless, hysteric speculation and rather just dealing in most likely scenarios.
Filburn got jobbed.
What would happen if SCOTUS overturned Wickard v. Filburn? Would the federal government have to revert to 1939?
Came across this post on QUORA:
And why was this the worst decision ever?
"Well do you hate government lobbies and the control of government by large corporations? Wickard v. Filburn is to blame, because, for the first time in the history of this country, the government now had the ability to control any business and any production by whispering the magic words “interstate commerce.” The business lobby industry exploded overnight.
Do you hate the federal government regulating your business? Wickard v. Filburn is to blame. Prior to then, most regulations were at the local or state levels.
Do you hate the federal government banning marijuana and using the criminal drug code to put too many minorities in prison? Wickard v. Filburn is to blame. (interestingly it may be marijuana that gets Wickard re-examined, but I don’t have high hopes).
Do you hate that the government gives subsidies and funds certain businesses at the expense of others? Wicckard v. Filburn is to blame.
Are you a states right advocate and are angry the ninth and tenth amendments mean nothing now? (They literally mean nothing, they’re completely ignored, which is horribly illegal and unconstitutional, but there’s nothing you can do about it). Wickard v. Filburn is to blame.
Are you worried about the implications of a President forcing the court to his will OR the President not doing his job because of threats of court packing? Wickard v. Fillburn is to blame.
Do you think Obamacare is unconstitutional? Wickard v. Filburn.
Do you worry that a conservative congress might try to use the Federal government to restrict abortion rights? That would occur under Wickard v. Filburn.
Our founding fathers were brilliant. They’d studied more about government and government history than probably anyone alive today. They KNEW that removing power from the individual and vesting it with a central federal government would fail. It would lead to the rise of the power of political parties. It would lead to extremism. It leads to the dictatorship of the majority. It leads to higher taxes.
If this decision had gone the other way, at least 75% of the current issues we face in this country would not exist. FDR used the constitution for toilet paper and the Court signed off on it."
Ayuh!
That’s fantastic.
(interestingly it may be marijuana that gets Wickard re-examined, but I don’t have high hopes).
Nicely stated. Deadpan puns are the best.
Strange as it may sound, Thomas (and possibly a few other anti-abortion justices) might conceivably vote for the abortion rights side if a federal abortion ban ever reaches the Supreme Court.
I can imagine it would test his heart, because abortion is a great evil. It would not surprise me if Thomas and the other strict textualists voted to stand with the constitution. You do a great insult to Thomas by saying it would be surprising. He's been maybe the most intellectual rigorous and consistent justice of the last century.
But, man, if overturning Dobbs led directly to weakening of the Commerce Clause it would further cement this as one of the greatest courts for libertarians ever. And all it would take would be actually sticking narrowly to what's written! What a crazy fucking idea.
" if overturning Dobbs led directly to weakening of the Commerce Clause it would further cement this as one of the greatest courts for libertarians ever."
This. Absolutely.
It is telling that the "libertarian" writers for Reason see that as a bad thing.
Overturn Wickard now! It's one of the worse cases the court ever ruled on. Overturning Wickard would be the biggest move for freedom in our lifetimes.
https://twitter.com/ConceptualJames/status/1546892080265543681?t=CUcYzrzMpWn1o9qO4oj67w&s=19
Welcome to weaponized postmodernism.
[Link]
This is literally the legitimation by paralogy Lyotard tried to warn about, but it's the postmodern Left using it intentionally as a weapon. The Leftists since the 90s raided the Theoretical warchest and realized it was full of weapons they could reverse engineer.
The thing is, Leftists always wanted these weapons. The Iron Law of Woke Projection never misses. Leftist criticism is ALWAYS "they get to do this thing we want to do," even though "they" aren't even doing it (it's a conspiracy theory).
Another postmodernist, Baudrillard, warned about "hyperreality," which is when you live so thoroughly in a world of fabrication and images that you can't see reality and, when you get a glimpse, you think it's fake. Your typical lefty lives there. Yuri called it demoralization.
Urban legends are now "facts" if enough people repeat them, especially people in power, so long as they serve Leftist political agendas. Lyotard couldn't have offered a better example.
Remember what I said about Marxist belief. Things ARE not true. They BECOME true, reflexively, by becoming legitimized in a social formation. Legitimation by paralogy became a method because Leftists who recognized it gained power. That's how it works. Synthetic reality.
Room 101 for you. You will not believe the Marxists - - you will love the Marxists.
Nothing on Uber paying PhD EConOMists to publish bullshit STuDies and DAtA to lobby local governments. Shareholder Class Action???
This is the kind of hysterical bleating I expect to see in state media. Congress is not ever going to ban abortion.
Reason is State Media.
Strange as it may sound, Thomas (and possibly a few other anti-abortion justices) might conceivably vote for the abortion rights side if a federal abortion ban ever reaches the Supreme Court.
By "strange as it may sound" you mean that there are judges on the court that read the constitution and apply its principles evenly?
I really find the Thomas slamming obnoxious. Sometimes it comes off as if it's his very consistency of thought that actually pisses people off. I don't know.
racist racists.
That's because the opposition is literally the definition of hypocrisy.
Meanwhile, in the Roundup there is Biden claiming an existing federal law overrides state regulation on abortion. Let us guess where Biden thinks the constitutional authority of that law derives. The scenario that a Republican controlled Congress is going to outlaw abortion for the entire US is currently a fever dream of the pro-abortion zealots. Even if it comes to pass, will the Democrats be willing to give up the imperial commerce clause given to the federal government by Wickard or is even their sacrament of abortion not enough to give up that kind of power?
There was never a constitutional right to abortion. There was a bad SCOTUS decision that had little to do with the constitution that claimed that there was such a right, but it was wrongly decided.
It would be interesting to see. The Federal government really acts beyond a reasonable interpretation of its enumerated powers in many areas. This is due to a pretty wild century in the 20th century, and so it would be quite nice to see a lot of this pruned back.
That’s a lot of ink to spill for a “might happen sometime in the future if Republicans have control of the legislative branch AND don’t decide to focus on other issues.
Leftism is psychotic.
To the psychotic, fantasy is more important than reality. The psychotic thinks fantasy is more real than reality. Thus the psychotic is often frustrated, because the psychotic bases expectations on fantasy as reality, but actual reality bears unexpected, even contrary, results.
So can abortion be banned federally? Seems like a negative right , i.e. you can't do something, is more tolerated constitutionally than a positive right. You must allow something.
But D's are chirping constantly about using an act of congress to require that abortion be legal.
That and abolishing the senate, packing the court and abolishing private land ownership, private vehicles, fossil fuels.
TDS has turned into CDS.. Constitution or capitalism derangement syndrome
Wickard v Filburn needs to be reversed. It's time to roll back the progressive era. De-centralization now.
Wickard is right next to Korematsu, Raich, and Kelo when it comes to the court's biggest fuck-ups since Dredd Scott.
I REALLY want to see the lefturds provoke the court to overturn Wickard.
-jcr
What was Roe v Wade, chopped liver?
I think they just sold the parts
Worst decisions ever:
1) Dredd Scott
2) Wickard
Raich was another terrible one but pretty much just affirming Wickard but still. Absolutely disgusting ruling.
I actually think this should be the plan and probably scaring the crap out of the Dems right now…if they actually pass a law for abortions based on the commerce clause and it gets to the SC this would be the court to finally overturn Wickard v. Filburn and in turn make a lot of regulations and laws given teeth by this ruling unconstitutional. So yeah, push them please.
Man, SCOTUS really broke Damon. He's seeing scary monsters everywhere but really, it's all in your head Damon.
Who's more broke from Dobbs decision? Damon or ENB?
Root. ENB did not have that much to break before Dobbs.
Wow, the schadenfreude in this is just amazing!
Time to get some popcorn and enjoy the show.
Wickard delenda est.
We need more Catos in our Senate.
Wickard is another ruling ripe for overturning...
Congress does not have this ability. The Supreme Court says this is not for Congress to decide. Quit fear mongering.
It was a huge political win for the agenda of President Franklin Roosevelt and a significant boost to Congress' overall regulatory authority.
You really should talk about how this was a massive infringement on liberty because that sentence almost sounds like praise. It was a horrifyingly bad ruling-that Congress can give itself authority on products you produce at home for your home usage simply because it means you MIGHT NOT buy that from other sources. Every fucking vegetable garden might still be regulated under this authority if Congress felt like it-SCOTUS has decided they have the power to stop you from growing your own tomatoes if they want you to buy them from Wal-Mart instead, and it's completely consistent with the Wickard and Raich rulings.
Not to mention it is the lynch pin of legitimizing the federal drug war.
Wickard is institutional racism. That should be a t-shirt and watch proggie heads explode.
quote:"which overturned Roe v. Wade (1973) and eliminated the constitutional right to abortion"
Show me WHERE there ever WAS a "constitutinal right" to kill an unborn child hidden within the Constitution.
Didn't think so. Same place as their "emanations and penumbrae" Figments of their twisted brains.
Much was made about the woman's "right to privacy". That suposedly stems from that artucle of ammendment that names our right to "be secure in our persons, houses, papers, and effects". Government may not intrude into those spaces without the proper warrants, and names a procedure to get such a warrant, lays out the requirements for who may swear out that warrant, issue it, serve it and under what conditions. It also places burdens upon the warrant itself, requiring the judge issuing it to fulfil certain requirements to make it valid.
A woman with child is not what was in view on this Article.
Abortion can no more be banned nationwide than assault weapons can be banned nationwide.
the interstate commerce clause did NOT provide that the congress would be able to make rules, laws, regulations concerting trace amongstthe states.
Nope The wording was to "make regular
as in make a clock keep proper time. Same sense as is involved with the "well regulated militia". That did NOT mean that Congress was to invent al l manner os restrictions, requiremtns, regulations, rules, etc on private citizens keeping and bearing arms, nor on the local militias that were throughout ech of the several states which formed the union. The Filburn case is one more travesty of the samesort as Wade, Kelo, NYSRPA, Heller, and a whole big pile of others like them.
and to prevent a State from imposing tariffs or other conditions on trade from another State entering or transiting, Standardizing the time, weights, and measures, definitions.
Pro-Life just like every LEFTARD agenda generates some of the dumbest B.S. propaganda ever seen...
FACT --- Dobb's took away Individual Liberty (PERSONAL CHOICE) and put Gov-Guns in charge. In an area/subject in which it should have ZERO power.
But busybody F'Whit's who cannot mind their own F'En business just LOVE Gov-Guns of tyrannical dictation.