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Reason Roundup

'Jane's Revenge': Abortion Terror Group or Terror Hoax?

Plus: Americans' changing opinions of January 6 riots, Texas craft brewer can "party on," and more...

Elizabeth Nolan Brown | 6.21.2022 9:30 AM

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Are we headed for "a night of rage" over abortion? An anonymous collective called Jane's Revenge is threatening to create chaos when the U.S. Supreme Court releases its decision in Dobbs v. Jackson Women's Health Organization. The decision is expected to come today, Thursday, or next week.

A draft of the decision, leaked in May, suggests the Court will overturn Roe v. Wade and Planned Parenthood v. Casey, the major precedents on which the current abortion rights regime is based. If that happens, there are sure to be protests outside the Supreme Court and around the country.

But will the protests remain peaceful? The Wall Street Journal suggests that they won't, noting that flyers "popping up around Washington" issue a "DC CALL TO ACTION NIGHT OF RAGE."

"THE NIGHT SCOTUS OVERTURNS ROE V. WADE HIT THE STREETS YOU SAID YOU'D RIOT," state the flyers. "TO OUR OPPRESSORS: IF ABORTIONS AREN'T SAFE, YOU'RE NOT EITHER." They're signed "JANE'S REVENGE."

The Journal suggests that Jane's Revenge is going to "commit what sounds like what Democrats would call insurrection if it were aimed at another part of government."

But we have no idea if the flyers are even real (as opposed to being put out by a group trying to make pro-choice activists look bad, or just stir up chaos and fear). And even if they are, it doesn't follow that people are going to actually take up the call.

Jane's Revenge communiques have been posted to a website launched in May. They say "we are not one group but many" and speak of having "various cells" which have been "proliferating messages."

There's something suspicious about the group's statements, which rely on over-the-top villainous language, like:

We have demonstrated in the past month how easy and fun it is to attack. We are versatile, we are mercurial, and we answer to no one but ourselves. …

From here forward, any anti-choice group who closes their doors, and stops operating will no longer be a target. But until you do, it's open season, and we know where your operations are. The infrastructure of the enslavers will not survive. We will never stop, back down, slow down, or retreat. We did not want this; but it is upon us, and so we must deal with it proportionally.

This sounds like what someone would write if they were trying to freak people out about violent pro-choice activists.

But whether legit or not, actions taken on behalf of Jane's Revenge are real. This includes setting a fire at a crisis pregnancy center (which urges pregnant women not to get abortions) in Madison, Wisconsin. That building was also painted with an anarchist symbol and the phrase "if abortions aren't safe then you aren't either."

The group has also taken credit for vandalism and sometimes worse—including arson, window smashing, and firebombings—in at least 14 other locations. In Amherst, New York, it painted "Jane was here" on the wall of a pro-life organization. Other locations were vandalized with the same message seen in Madison. So far, thankfully, no one has been hurt.

The Intercept takes a deeper look at the group, noting that "among abortion rights advocates, Jane's Revenge—whoever they are—has gotten predictably mixed reviews."

If the group is "a false flag," it seems "the perfect tactic: A campaign of violence by pro-choice forces would reinforce the picture of abortion advocates as barbarians and justify draconian punishment of those who perform, facilitate, or have abortions," writes Judith Levine at The Intercept. But it's also possible Jane's Revenge is "a first," a sort of "anarcho-feminist descendant of the Weather Underground, the splinter of Students for a Democratic Society that bombed university and government buildings, banks, and other collaborators in the U.S. aggression against Vietnam during the 1960s and '70s."

"The Weather Underground vowed to harm only property, not people," notes Levine. "But inevitably, lives were lost to its botched heroics."


FREE MINDS

Americans may be changing their opinions about January 6, as the House Select Committee investigating the riots and Trump's role in fomenting them airs its evidence:

There's been an apparent uptick in the percentage of Americans who think Trump should be charged with a crime over Jan. 6. https://t.co/OJIgfrPsAB pic.twitter.com/lwt7IiDSH3

— Philip Bump (@pbump) June 21, 2022


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A win for takeout beer in Texas:

"Party on," Judge Cory Wilson writes as the 5th Circuit rules that a Texas craft brewer can carry on with serving beer-to-go over the objections of the state's alcohol regulators. pic.twitter.com/7eH6gErOg8

— Nate Raymond (@nateraymond) June 20, 2022


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  1. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

    Are we headed for "a night of rage" over abortion?

    An insurrection, if you will.

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    2. Overt   3 years ago

      It is a huge, huge, massive stretch to call something a Hoax when there are over a dozen examples of actual harms done in the name of Jane's Revenge.

      There is a difference between a true hoax (where the victims are actually committing the acts in an attempt to smear their "oppressors") and this loose collective of Pro-Abortion causes that are really, actually doing damage to Pro-Life concerns.

      No one every said that the Animal Liberation Front was a coordinated, centralized organization. But no one has even acted like ENB in trying to pretend that this ever made it a hoax.

      1. Zeb   3 years ago

        And don't even think about whether Jan 6 was in part a false flag thing. That would be crazy.

        1. R Mac   3 years ago

          The hypocrisy of Reason has reached Pravda levels of propaganda.

          1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

            I've no words for what ENB is trying to pull here.

            Just when you think that they can't get any lower...

            1. R Mac   3 years ago

              The last 6 years has convinced me they can always go lower.

            2. SQRLSY One   3 years ago

              I DO have words for what Marxist Mammary-Necrophilia-Fuhrer is trying to pull here!

              Marxist Mammary-Necrophilia-Fuhrer is trying to persuade us all that She (The Perfect Christian Theologian who promotes identity theft and suicide) has the ability to mind-read ENB and her intentions! Without giving us ANY evidence! Not even so much as a calibration date on the mind-reading tinfoil hat of Mammary-Necrophilia-Fuhrer!

              "Trust in MEEEE, peons, and all will be just dandy! Follow MEEEEE!!!"

              1. R Mac   3 years ago

                Surprising no one, the squirrel nazi joins in the defense of aggression against his political enemies.

                1. SQRLSY One   3 years ago

                  The FACTS that I presented above are clear and plain to see... And the tribalists here bring NOTHING but emotions!

                  They are merely playing follow-their-leaders...

                  “I use emotion for the many and reserve reason for the few.” Quote Adolf Hitler, https://byrslf.co/50-quotes-by-adolf-hitler-that-will-inspire-you-to-achieve-your-goals-in-life-62b43c5c9f2c

                  1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

                    The only tribalist here is you, Shillsy.

                    1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

                      Also, you sure like quoting Hitler.

                    2. SQRLSY One   3 years ago

                      Quoting Hitler illustrates YOUR mindset quite well, Oh Great Queen of Internet Cesspools! It illustrates YOUR Perfect Fate ass well, asshole-asshat!

                      (Not that I recommend this path... Far from it! Unlike SOME evil Perfect Servants of the Evil One around here, that I could name, Oh Great Suicide-Pusher!)

                    3. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

                      So what you're saying is that you're stealing my ID? You're an ID thief?

              2. Hank Phillips   3 years ago

                So Mother's Terato-regret is STILL spraying Trumpanzee ordure at Plucky squirrel? Tea-Party christianofascisti now spraypaint poo-posting on buildings instead of shooting medical doctors and blowing up Atlanta fairgrounds. Ees Army of Allah progress, no? --Boris

                1. SQRLSY One   3 years ago

                  Progress, yes! Some sunny day, Mammary-Fuhrer may even give UP on pushing suicide for Her enemies! Beyond that... I doubt it, but there's no laws of physics against it... As you say, these Christian Warriors may even SELL their keyboards and their PCs, take a vow of internet cesspool silence, and donate the resulting funds to the poor! Hallelujah, I would say!

                  1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

                    Sqrlsy and Hank. Michael Hihn's two spirit animals, together at last.

                    You guys should date.

                2. R Mac   3 years ago

                  Hank’s drift from reality continues unabated.

                  1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

                    Hank's still in the sixties, reality has drifted from him.

            3. Ignore me!   3 years ago

              That Intercept article is one of the most dishonest pieces of trash I've read in a long time. A lot of words to say "Anything is okay when we do it." Are there any writers on the left who can frame an issue and speak about it honestly? The Alinksyite tactics of leveraging every issue for its short-term optics and endlessly stoking activist passions seem to have become reflexive.

          2. Nardz   3 years ago

            Pravda wouldn't even have the gall to lie on Reason's level.

            1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

              The difference is that the Pravda journalists were forced to lie for the party. These guys do it because they want to.

      2. JesseAz   3 years ago

        It is over 20 examples now. What a shit show article.

        1. BillyG   3 years ago

          Over 40 as of today.

      3. BestUsedCarSales   3 years ago

        I'm just glad it's acceptable to consider things false flags now.

        1. R Mac   3 years ago

          Only certain things though.

        2. Hank Phillips   3 years ago

          Considering a possibility of foul play when observing mindless conflict between two looter altruist gangs--both bent on the initiation of force--is different from siding with either gang. The distinction is obviously baffling to mystical and lay looters alike. Remember that when it comes time for the either-or vote endorsing the looter kleptocracy or asserting your own individual rights.

          1. BestUsedCarSales   3 years ago

            Thanks Hank

      4. Social Justice is neither   3 years ago

        Best case for the hoax front is the website is a troll but the people acting on it are true believers. That would be similar to the distinction between the radio broadcast of "War of the Worlds" and the people who shot up water towers because the aliens were attacking.

        1. JesseAz   3 years ago

          They have been more active with actions than the terrorist group Q Anon.

          1. damikesc   3 years ago

            I love that Q Anon is "nuts" because they believe "insane" things like we have pedophiles running the world.

            ...and then we note Epstein's island and wonder if maybe, just maybe, they're on to something.

      5. A Thinking Mind   3 years ago

        No, you see, the fact that they actually have already taken credit for violent acts makes it a perfect hoax to pretend they're going to stage violent protests.

        I'm willing to accept, later, that this may be a false flag. I'm open-minded. There's nothing sticking in the narrative, though. The fliers, for instance, don't use "pro-life," they use "anti-choice," which is exactly how a pro-choice group would refer to pro-lifers, but a pro-lifer might mess up and not use that language.

        They're a bit over-the-top in talking up how scary they are, but that can be the result of bloviating self-aggrandizement instead of exaggerations from someone trying to set up a hoax. Here's the thing-this confirms to my biases about certain leftist groups so much that it's a bit too perfect, so there's a chance I'm being put on, and I'll keep an open mind. But I want to hear at least something to help convince me it's a hoax before I really believe it.

        1. R Mac   3 years ago

          “They're a bit over-the-top in talking up how scary they are, but that can be the result of bloviating self-aggrandizement instead of exaggerations from someone trying to set up a hoax.”

          Or it’s people that know the propagandists will cover for them, and The Party controlled Justice Department will let them get away with their violence.

        2. Overt   3 years ago

          I am willing to bet that there is no centralized "Jane's Revenge" group. Just like there is no centralized Animal Liberation Front. Or really even a centralized Antifa. It is a movement, with various people making manifestos and performing actions in the name of The Cause.

          That *isn't* the same as a hoax. A hoax is when the perpetrators of some crime are actually the victims. While it is POSSIBLE that the flier is a hoax, you would be hard pressed to convince me that over a dozen violent acts around the country are all hoaxes.

          That ENB wants to pin the ENTIRETY of Jane's Revenge on one flier is really telling. She picks the most suspect of all acts- a flier, and says "Since this is possibly a hoax, everything else can be dismissed." The more likely fact is that people all over the country are pissed about the demise of Roe v Wade, and everyone in the media and democrat party is either fomenting violence, or trying to contextualize or excuse it like ENB.

          If ENB would spend some time outside her bubble, she'd realize that the story isn't some silly flier going around the country, it is the normalization of calls for violence and the Media who will not call it out for what it is.

          1. BestUsedCarSales   3 years ago

            I honestly think an attempted hoax of a flier would be more subtle. That's just how people talk online these days. When radicals aren't descending into practiced jargon their ideas are expressed simplistically and without subtlety.

          2. Trollificus   3 years ago

            Maybe she's in a competition with Shackford for the "Excuse-Making" title.

            Since Robby retired and walked away with the "To Be Sure...Whataboutism Award".

          3. Brett Bellmore   3 years ago

            As I keep having to point out, just because an organization adopts a "cell" structure to prevent the people running it from being identified, doesn't mean it isn't an organization.

            Antifa has repeatedly demonstrated the capacity to cause large numbers of similarly dressed and equipped people to show up at the same time and place. That's totally characteristic of an organization.

      6. Rev. Arthur L. Kuckland   3 years ago

        ENB is a Supreme cunt

        1. This Is The Zodiac Speaking   3 years ago

          What do you think her and The Jacket talk about when they are spooning?

          1. Trollificus   3 years ago

            Enlightened Libertarian Post-Modernism?

    3. Commenter_XY   3 years ago

      It is domestic terror, based on moral/political viewpoint. ENB appears to be an apologist for the people who bomb pregnancy crisis centers (meaning, the people who favor motherhood and/or adoption, not abortion).

      1. Social Justice is neither   3 years ago

        To her it is a bridge to far to believe people who are pro-murder are pro-murder if it enables their cause.

    4. Homple   3 years ago

      Probably just a night when a lot of glass is broken.

      1. R Mac   3 years ago

        And that’s what insurance is for, anyway.

        1. HorseConch   3 years ago

          Did they actually break anything on 1/6?

          1. A Thinking Mind   3 years ago

            Yes.

            1. Rev. Arthur L. Kuckland   3 years ago

              No the only person that broke a window was a fbi informant

              1. A Thinking Mind   3 years ago

                What the fuck? There's clearly at least four people breaking windows simultaneously in what's one of the most widely-seen videos.

                Why cover up for violent rioters?

                1. A Thinking Mind   3 years ago

                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUjtmt_9GcY

                  Clearly more than one person. That's not countig the several people who punched a mostly-broken pane of class on a door as they were walking through the doorway later.

                  1. Overt   3 years ago

                    I think this is a good example of the bubble effect. Some people will only watch the videos of violent rioters on 1/6, and some will only watch videos of people peacefully walking past police. And both will be convinced they know exactly what happened on that day.

                    1. A Thinking Mind   3 years ago

                      I don't know why you need to hide inside your security bubble, though. I can safely say that what happened clearly not an insurrection while acknowledging it was a riot. And riots are bad. And I don't think the people who actually broke the glass were FBI plants because they're not going to willingly sign up for jail sentences. The question of FBI plants is whether they were instigating and egging on the crowd, not doing the actual damage.

                    2. Brett Bellmore   3 years ago

                      Right. That Epps guy? HE might plausibly be a plant, the feds have shown no interest in going after him at all.

                      Nobody they actually threw in jail for any amount of time would have been a plant.

                  2. Trollificus   3 years ago

                    So, about the amount of vandalism me and my friends used to perpetrate on a drunken Friday Night in rural Pa (or Utah, or Texas, or Nevada or Iowa...damn, I had a wide-ranging criminal career when I put it like that.)

                    And where's the logical step where the vandalism becomes "a threat to our democracy rivalling Pearl Harbor reeeeeeee!!!"?

                    1. A Thinking Mind   3 years ago

                      I'm interested in being truthful. Denying that there was any damage done is departing from reality. It does no service to your argument when you spread false claims because they get lumped in with actual arguments.

                      In that video there are clearly several people shouting, "No! Don't break windows! Don't break windows, man!" That's evidence that the whole crowd is not a violent insurrection. But pretending that only one person broke glass on the whole day when there's plenty of direct evidence of multiple people breaking windows is pure delusion.

              2. This Is The Zodiac Speaking   3 years ago

                A lickey boom boom dem

      2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

        So, a boost to the economy?

      3. Mike Laursen   3 years ago

        Is your intention to make a joke that implies any rioting by Jane’s Revenge would be a false flag operation by anti-abortion conservatives?

        1. R Mac   3 years ago

          Lol. Poor Dee.

    5. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 years ago

      "The Weather Underground vowed to harm only property, not people," notes Levine. "But inevitably, lives were lost to its botched heroics."

      This is a total lie, incidentally. Weather Underground literally tried to start a race war and Bernardine Dohrn was communicating with Communist officials to determine how to start up an American VietCong. They didn't go to the "harm only property" phase of their ideology until after the Greenwich Village accident--in which they were building a bomb to kill a bunch of soldiers at Fort Dix--which spooked the WU survivors badly enough to change their tactics.

      1. Trollificus   3 years ago

        Also, "heroics" haaaahahahahahaah!!

    6. Mike Laursen   3 years ago

      “We did not want this; but it is upon us”

      Nah, sounds like they are indeed jonesin’ for some violent action.

  2. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

    There's been an apparent uptick in the percentage of Americans who think Trump should be charged with a crime over Jan. 6.

    God bless the pollsters.

    1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

      Those who didn’t think so were arrested

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

        They will be given a fair chance to get their minds right.

    2. JesseAz   3 years ago

      Just glad reason is pushing political prosecutions based on polling now. Finally.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

        Social justice is the best justice.

      2. Trollificus   3 years ago

        And public opinion based on one-party control of the government and the major networks. Nothing wrong with that, eh Reason?

    3. Social Justice is neither   3 years ago

      Don't leave out the people running the Stalinesque show trials and their media propagandists. Wouldn't want to leave ENB out for her part.

  3. OpenBordersLiberal-tarian   3 years ago

    "There's been an apparent uptick in the percentage of Americans who think Trump should be charged with a crime over Jan. 6. "

    Another bombshell.
    We've reached the tipping point.
    The walls are closing in.
    It's the beginning of the end.

    #Resist

    1. Super Scary   3 years ago

      Can we try and impeach him again? Just for funsies?

      1. JimboJr   3 years ago

        I dont know if we would be able to tell the difference between whats happening now and another impeachment

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

          There's a difference?

        2. A Thinking Mind   3 years ago

          This really just is the impeachment trial all over again, this time without the defense. It's running a lot smoother, somehow, for the prosecution.

          1. JesseAz   3 years ago

            Not sure about that. One of their own witnesses pointed out the democrats objected to certification in multiple prior elections.

            1. R Mac   3 years ago

              ENB will cover that part tomorrow, right?

            2. Trollificus   3 years ago

              Yeah, that was some kind of black flag operation.

              Must still be an unpurged Republican in an intel agency somewhere.
              They'll be found, and sentenced to death by "secure holding facility".

      2. nobody 2   3 years ago

        He's already been impeached for something Joe Biden did and for something that Kamala Harris did. I suppose it's only logical that they would next find something Nancy Pelosi did to impeach him for.

    2. Hank Phillips   3 years ago

      Ah, but on January 6, 1865, once the valuable grapeshot was picked out of girl-bullier entrails for recycling, and the seditious remains wheelbarrowed off to Jeff Davis' lawn at Arlington, that would be that. Unconditional surrender would soon enough end the program of christianizing a fraction of the population through slavery and involuntary servitude--just as the ballot count did in 2020. Any girl-bullying looters with guts enough to dispute may spew venom at the linked blog.

  4. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

    ...a Texas craft brewer can carry on with serving beer-to-go over the objections of the state's alcohol regulators.

    Don't Lone Star bureaucrats know we're still in the middle of a pandemic?

  5. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

    ...a pink powdery drug that's sweeping Colombia.

    In Colombia, powder sweep you.

  6. OpenBordersLiberal-tarian   3 years ago

    Hey Peanuts isn't this Biden economy amazing? Liberal capitalist Jeff Bezos made $2.63 billion on the most recent trading day. I'm a liberal capitalist too. That means when his net worth goes up it also proves how smart and successful I am.

    #TemporarilyFillingInForButtplug

    1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

      Shrike's so rich thanks to the Biden bonanza he can afford to fill his new Lamborghini.

      1. BestUsedCarSales   3 years ago

        He's so rich he can fill it with Super. If the economy keeps going the way it is, he may be able to fill us with Premium soon.

      2. HorseConch   3 years ago

        I pegged him as more of an ice cream truck guy than Lambo guy. Obviously, he's elite, so it will be a tricked out, badass ice cream truck.

    2. Hank Phillips   3 years ago

      Thanks for the market tip. I've been angling to sell my Amazon stock ever since collectivized labor goons began their infiltration.

  7. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

    You'd think drag brunches are why we're paying $6 a gallon for gas.

    To be fair, voters pretending dicks aren't dicks is why we're in this economic mess.

    1. Overt   3 years ago

      Well no. The problem is that we cut off the heads of all the dicks, so there is no one left to deal with the assholes.

      1. Union of Concerned Socks   3 years ago

        With a research grant and some subsidies, we can convert those dickheads into a fuel additive. So it's still a win.

      2. Yatusabes   3 years ago

        Fisting is a thing, just an FYI

        1. R Mac   3 years ago

          Just use good etiquette. And no, I don’t want to know what good fisting etiquette consists of.

          1. Quo Usque Tandem   3 years ago

            Have you never seen Last Tango in Paris? Cut your damned fingernails!

            1. Stuck in California   3 years ago

              OK, I officially don't understand what's going on here.

              Like, this thread has gone to a dark place. No... I mean... I don't understand. And whatever's happening here, I refuse to google it.

              1. R Mac   3 years ago

                Just go to pornhub.

          2. Overt   3 years ago

            If only there were a commenter here who knew how to turn our ill mannered hands into fists of etiquette.

  8. Spiritus Mundi   3 years ago

    It is amazing how ENB can top her own record for worst take, week after week.

    1. R Mac   3 years ago

      “But will the protests remain peaceful?”

      Remain is an interesting way to put it, but I guess ENB is gonna go with the 2020 “mostly peaceful” narrative, I mean lie.

      Then she admits:

      “But whether legit or not, actions taken on behalf of Jane's Revenge are real. This includes setting a fire at a crisis pregnancy center (which urges pregnant women not to get abortions) in Madison, Wisconsin. That building was also painted with an anarchist symbol and the phrase "if abortions aren't safe then you aren't either."

      The group has also taken credit for vandalism and sometimes worse—including arson, window smashing, and firebombings—in at least 14 other locations. In Amherst, New York, it painted "Jane was here" on the wall of a pro-life organization. Other locations were vandalized with the same message seen in Madison. So far, thankfully, no one has been hurt.”

      ENB is such a libertarian, that she doesn’t respect property rights.

      1. R Mac   3 years ago

        Jane’s revenge says:

        "TO OUR OPPRESSORS: IF ABORTIONS AREN'T SAFE, YOU'RE NOT EITHER."

        So what does ENB do? Cites someone who compared them to Weather Underground, and repeats:

        "The Weather Underground vowed to harm only property, not people," notes Levine. "But inevitably, lives were lost to its botched heroics."

        ENB is trash.

        1. Yatusabes   3 years ago

          Im willing to bet the ranch, that ENB is the typical blowhard liberal who talks the talk about DEI, but wouldnt be caught dead visiting any of these "oppressed" groups if they were sick in the hospital, in jail, taking these into their homes if they were homeless or feeding them if they were hungry, kinda like fundamentalist Christians.

          The difference between DEI proponents from Christians, is that the former have no burden, no onus, to do as they say, unlike Christians, even if the latter have been the main reason why so many young and old are "unaffiliated" or "NONES" when it comes to religion

          1. Trollificus   3 years ago

            I know plenty of the latter who DO feed the hungry, and do it where the hungry are; who provide food for free, even for people who are just shitty freeloaders, and who have opened their homes to the "temporarily unhoused".

            Stay focused on "Prosperity Gospel" scam artists and various other religious grifters and you'll be gratified how wonderfully correct your negative opinions are.

        2. JimboJr   3 years ago

          She is unfit to report on abortion. She clearly has a dog in the fight and cant put forward anything close to an honest take. Too biased to think straight on the issue

          1. R Mac   3 years ago

            It’s worse than that. There’s issues I wouldn’t be able to report on, I still wouldn’t excuse aggression against the people I disagree with.

            What we have here is violations of the NAP being DEFENDED by a so-called libertarian publication.

            1. JesseAz   3 years ago

              It was a sad and pathetic take. Amazing to see.

              Sure there is violence, but is it really violence if it is just personal threats and property damage?

              Next up the Night of Glass wasn't a big deal by ENB.

            2. Social Justice is neither   3 years ago

              Sorry, but this rag gave up any pretense of libertarianism when they threw in to defend violent riots.

              1. SQRLSY One   3 years ago

                And when did they do that? Citation please!

                1. Hank Phillips   3 years ago

                  Facts?! In a mudfight?! Een Soviet Union mud sling you! -Your fan, Boris

                2. Truthfulness   3 years ago

                  Something for you and Hank to read:
                  https://reason.com/2020/06/01/riots-may-be-destructive-but-abusive-policing-is-tyranny/

                  It was a downplay of the riots by putting bigger focus on policing.

                  1. SQRLSY One   3 years ago

                    From there:

                    "Rioting is a form of tyranny," Carlson said on his Fox News show. "The strong and the violent oppress the weak and the unarmed. It is oppression."

                    Sometimes true! Humans are involved, though, so (as in all such cases) it gets complicated! The Warsaw ghetto uprising? Jewish prisoners "rioting" against NAZI guards? Are these also cases of oppression?

        3. Overt   3 years ago

          ""The Weather Underground vowed to harm only property, not people," notes Levine. "But inevitably, lives were lost to its botched heroics.""

          Yeah this is an odious statement and for ENB to include it without even the mildest condemnation says once again that she confuses her Blue Bubble with reality.

          Let's be clear here:

          1) The Weathermen did not "vow" to avoid deaths. Some specific Weathermen mouthed these platitudes, but it was a fact that the Weathermen were behind multiple bombings that were clearly designed to kill people, including the bombing of a police station in Berkley that was times for a shift change, specifically to cause more deaths. (A police officer was grievously injured.) And two days later, a bombing in SF killed an officer, but has never been tied to them.

          2) Feel free to read Prairie Fire, the Weathermen's manifesto and it is clear that they weren't created to fight the "Vietnam Aggression." We know this, because in 1974 after the Vietnam Cease Fire (which the North would violate in '75), they were still claiming the need to bomb and destroy, because their stated aim was the dismantling of the "Imperialist United States".

          3) Indeed, the Weather Underground was set up for one aim: The violent overthrow of the US Government and the institution of a Communist government in its place. The idea that even these cloistered academics believed they could achieve these aims without killing people is, to put it mildly, A Big Fucking Lie. And that ENB repeats those lies uncritically makes it increasingly difficult to take her seriously.

          1. HorseConch   3 years ago

            I love that she's saying we don't know if they'll be violent, while equating to a group that was absolutely violent.

          2. BestUsedCarSales   3 years ago

            There's a tendency to playdown one's extremists, and I really dislike it.

          3. damikesc   3 years ago

            Hell, you'd think she'd know about the bombing that killed the Weather Underground and what they were planning to bomb.

    2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

      Do you think Reason is just fucking with us? Why else would they publish shit that is consistently more leftist and authoritarian?

      1. JimboJr   3 years ago

        I think its a combination of most of them going left to stay in the good graces of the rest of the liberals in the media, and the wokeness associated with that wont allow them to contradict ENB's clearly biased position on abortion because god forbid you contradict a strong womyn about a womyn topic

        1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

          They're journolismists before libertarians.

        2. Ronbback   3 years ago

          Reason needs to stay to the left for those awards, those precious awards

          1. R Mac   3 years ago

            Don’t forget the cocktail parties!

        3. JesseAz   3 years ago

          They have more ire regarding the Mises Caucus take over than they do of coordinated political attacks. It is amazing.

      2. This Is The Zodiac Speaking   3 years ago

        Because The Jacket allows

        1. Trollificus   3 years ago

          He must be using that carefully crafted "Libertarian Post-Modernism" he so often defends.

      3. BestUsedCarSales   3 years ago

        Probably a few things at play here. First and foremost though, these are ENBs opinions first and foremost and I doubt they go through much editorial review before publication. Some evidence for this is that it actually varies quite a bit when Soave is the writer.
        We also saw during the Dobbs leak the extended Reason staff present a few varied views on things, with folks like Slade presenting a very federalist libertarian stance, and I think Boehm also did. Even Wolfe did a more positive comment on the possible Dobbs decision.
        There's some bias though because their extended commentary staff, Slade and such, don't write much compared to the daily links.

        1. R Mac   3 years ago

          I agree that there’s probably very little if any editing of the links before they’re posted, and there is some variety of perspective on some issues. But now that we’ve reached the point where ENB is explicitly minimizing and defending clear violations of the NAP, someone needs to have a discussion with her if this is the appropriate place of employment for her. Her dishonesty and propaganda have reached a level that should not be tolerated here.

          1. BestUsedCarSales   3 years ago

            I probably agree. I think ENB is fine on some things, but represents a common stance of being more libertine than libertarian.
            But, it's their magazine. I just comment on it. I wish I knew of another libertarian magazine to read as well, but I do not. So, I split the difference with Reason and some other magazines that aren't explicitly libertarian.

            1. Mike Laursen   3 years ago

              Also, this blog isn’t the magazine.

              The actual magazine has actual research and journalism and editing. This blog where we commenters hang out every day is a relatively minor activity of the Reason Foundation, largely neglected by the Reason management.

              1. Truthfulness   3 years ago

                The actual magazine has actual research and journalism and editing.

                When we have passages like "'The Weather Underground vowed to harm only property, not people,' notes Levine. 'But inevitably, lives were lost to its botched heroics.'", that's indicative of a journalist that has not done any research or editing. You are wrong.

                1. Mike Laursen   3 years ago

                  Re-read what I wrote. I didn’t say anything that contradicts what you just wrote.

                  1. R Mac   3 years ago

                    Yes it did you obtuse fucking bird.

              2. R Mac   3 years ago

                This comment would make sense if you didn’t have half the comments in the thread muted Dee.

      4. Hank Phillips   3 years ago

        Note to foreign readers: leftist and authoritarian, in the speech of large simian Trilbys, mean anti-Trump and non-prohibitionist, in that order.

        1. Truthfulness   3 years ago

          On the contrary, downplaying the actions of Weather Underground makes your observation wrong, if not outright lies.

  9. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

    What John Oliver gets wrong about rising rents.

    Get off the stage, Britches! You're not funny!

    1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

      Typical John Oliver monologue:

      "It's current year, people. I can't believe those bad guys still think that thing because it's current year. What, do they actually think it's way back in some prior year? It's current year!"

      Audience laughs.

      1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

        And he goes home to his $10 million apartment.

      2. This Is The Zodiac Speaking   3 years ago

        Audience whoop, whistle and clap is the first sign the jokes aren't funny

        1. Trollificus   3 years ago

          His audience made me research to see if there's some crude surgery that involves jamming a scalpel into the corpus collosum and jiggling it around by the thalamus, pons and hippocampus.

          Seems like, a few tries at something like that and you could produce the audience for any network show, even The View*.

          But no proof that's what they do. New theory is that it's some exotic cocktail of uppers, downers, screamers, laughers, blasters, benzos and raw ether, injected straight into the brain stem just prior to the show.**

          *-except, for The View, you'd start with monkeys.
          **-except, for The View, you'd start with monkeys.

  10. Jefferson's Ghost   3 years ago

    '"The infrastructure of the enslavers will not survive. We will never stop, back down, slow down, or retreat. We did not want this; but it is upon us, and so we must deal with it proportionally."'

    "This sounds like what someone would write if they were trying to freak people out about violent pro-choice activists."

    To my ear, it sounds like something drawn from a poorly written comic book circa 1968.

    1. Overt   3 years ago

      I highly recommend that ENB spend some time reading the postings of many Antifa LARPers. The fact that the Anarchist symbol was left at at least one of these attacks gives a pretty good indication of the overlap here.

      For the record, this is Antifa's MO. Latch onto a cause and turn protest into violent insurrection. They aren't here to get political relief, they are here to turn divisions into civil war.

      1. Yatusabes   3 years ago

        those fuckers met across the street in a park from our home in one of the burned down cities they marked. It was then my husband bought me an AR15 because our Glocks can only be used at close range. ANTIFA BLM are dangerous mofos. No mercy for them

        1. Quo Usque Tandem   3 years ago

          Understood [and I own and train with a few of those myself] but given your description it is highly likely you reside in an area where the local DA would love nothing more than to prosecute you for defending yourself. As with the Uber driver/ veteran in Austin who shot and killed a "protestor" who pointed and AK at his face; he is up for 1st degree murder.

          I strongly suggest you look into USCCA or similar to provide yourself with legal and liability coverage in the event you have to resort to self defense. They won't help you if you commit a crime [none of them will, so it is not "murder insurance" as our feckless media likes to call it] but if you are wrongly charged with committing a crime, I'd sure want to have them on my side.

          And don't forget the training; no gun is a talisman, learn how to use it safely and effectively. I would also go with frangible bullets in an urban environment, definitely no steel core "green tip" stuff.

          1. Idaho Bob   3 years ago

            "As with the Uber driver/ veteran in Austin who shot and killed a "protestor" who pointed and AK at his face; he is up for 1st degree murder."

            This is why you leave the scene. Maybe they find you, and prosecute you anyway. Sticking around will definitely get you prosecuted.

            True self defense isn't a crime, so this doesn't qualify fleeing the scene of a crime. It's worth the risk, IMO.

            1. Overt   3 years ago

              He did leave the scene, and then called in the incident. Like a good person should. Quo Usque Tandem, are you sure he is being prosecuted? Last I had heard, no charges were being filed.

              1. Overt   3 years ago

                Holy shit. I just read about this. The Fucking DA took it to a Grand Jury, and would not let the Defense Attorney provide written statements to the Grand Jury. That is highly unusual for Texas. What a fucking pricks. Recall that asshole too.

                1. Nardz   3 years ago

                  See zerohedge article below.
                  Austin has a Soros DA

                  1. Quo Usque Tandem   3 years ago

                    I figured as much.

                2. This Is The Zodiac Speaking   3 years ago

                  Don't mess with Texas...

                  Fucking chumps

              2. Idaho Bob   3 years ago

                "He did leave the scene, and then called in the incident. Like a good person should."

                This disqualifies me as a good person. I'd make them find me. I've read about too many similar cases. No fucking way I'm turning myself in.

          2. Nardz   3 years ago

            https://www.zerohedge.com/political/impact-soros-funded-district-attorneys

            1. Yatusabes   3 years ago

              Thanks. We have a couple of Soros funded DAs here in Virginia

              our newly elected VA AG Jason Miyares is putting them in check slowly.

              https://www.oag.state.va.us/our-office/about-the-attorney-general

            2. Quo Usque Tandem   3 years ago

              Thanks for that Nardz; most comprehensive listing of these assholes I've seen, and the damage they are causing.

              My question is what the hell is Soros' agenda here? It is quite clear that he wants to transform the US, but into what? Some version of the EU, or GB, Australia?

              1. Nardz   3 years ago

                He wants to turn the US into a territory of the Global Reich.
                Specifically, a totalitarian central globalist government ruling over the entire anglosphere/Europe to subjugate most of the population into serfs/livestock producing resources for a techno-eugenic elite.

                Anarcho-tyranny is the tactic being employed here. Random violent crime is useful to both destabilize the middle/working/small business class and increase demand for strong central control (expansion of federal police forces). Further it erodes confidence in legal standards and allows for arbitrary/two-tiered application of justice/punishment.
                It increases dependence on the powers that be, whom people will have to flee/appeal to for security, and it destroys the foundations society had previously been built upon.

                1. Quo Usque Tandem   3 years ago

                  I've not read any of his 18 or so books [he apparently writes "books" as Robert Mugabe earned Ph.Ds] and do not plan to; I have read a number of articles. Whatever his ideals the guy is clearly a megalomaniac who is not content to enjoy his wealth or contribute to causes like Gates et al, but truly wants to fuck with us all on very fundamental levels. Seems like he has moved on from his "open societies" schtick to infiltrating the US at the ground level, being county prosecutors. Given the recent recall in SF and the crime wave occurring under his DA's watch elsewhere, it seems to be backfiring. Time will tell, or what the "mastermind" will decide to do with his money next. And he certainly has a lot of it.

                2. R Mac   3 years ago

                  Well said. Shorter version: they’re trying to destroy society just enough to turn the American middle class, who are the biggest roadblock their goals, into serfs.

      2. Idaho Bob   3 years ago

        "For the record, this is Antifa's MO. Latch onto a cause and turn protest into violent insurrection. They aren't here to get political relief, they are here to turn divisions into civil war."

        With the assistance of the Democratic Party. Civil war is the goal. Push this shit until right reacts violently and then J6 everyone. J6 was the trial balloon.

        1. Nardz   3 years ago

          They don't actually want civil war.
          They want to keep doing what they're doing right the fuck now.
          They're just fine with getting everything they want while people keep their blind faith in the system.

          1. Idaho Bob   3 years ago

            When it continues long enough, the reaction will be violent. People lose faith. Mine was lost about one month after 9/11.

            1. Nardz   3 years ago

              Faith is lost, yet the flock remains Doce and passive.

              1. Nardz   3 years ago

                *docile and passive

        2. Mike Laursen   3 years ago

          The January 6th MAGA rioters are responsible for their own criminal behavior, just as antifa members are responsible for their own.

          1. VULGAR MADMAN   3 years ago

            The FBI among them weren’t held accountable.

    2. Union of Concerned Socks   3 years ago

      poorly written comic book

      "Jane the Vandal" is Marvel's latest superhero idea. They're running out of material for new films.

      1. R Mac   3 years ago

        What are it’s pronouns?

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

          Does she have a lady dick? Asking for a super-hero friend.

        2. Rev. Arthur L. Kuckland   3 years ago

          My favorite is super man's son. The only superhero to be taken down by name calling

      2. Yatusabes   3 years ago

        with no gonads

      3. Super Scary   3 years ago

        If it wasn't cancelled, Jane the Vandal would have fit right in with the New Warriors from 2020 - https://www.marvel.com/articles/comics/introducing-the-new-new-warriors

        1. Hank Phillips   3 years ago

          Tatsuya Ishida at SInfest beat Marvel to THAT one.

    3. Hank Phillips   3 years ago

      It reminds me of the Weather Underground faction hired by the Brotherhood of Light to release Timothy Leary from the Republican National Socialist prison compound. Here we again see that for every initiation of force (like States sending goons with guns to menace doctors and threaten women in violation of 9A, 13A and 14A) there is or ought to be unequal yet apposite reprisal force. The record shows us that over the past 40 years, males have been the perps in 124 out of 127 cases of "mass" shootings. Probability is 0.97 thing is fake flag or some feminist male. Some females do buy into conservative-style collectivist aggression, just not many, and most harridans are on the fascist side.

      1. Truthfulness   3 years ago

        What kind of revisionism is that? Timothy Leary was a pseudoscientific nutcase and was rightfully reprimanded for his nonsense.

  11. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

    Why don't we have good answers about the prevalence of long COVID?

    We're not sure how handy yet it is pushing the narrative.

    1. Rev. Arthur L. Kuckland   3 years ago

      For the same reason we don't have good answers about cooties. It's make believe

  12. wreckinball   3 years ago

    Well haven't they already done stuff? As opposed to Patriot Front.

  13. JimboJr   3 years ago

    "Why don't we have good answers about the prevalence of long COVID?"

    While long COVID, if you want to call it that, can certainly manifest in some ways with regard to effects on the lung, it is being deployed by many as the new vague, intangible, condition that certain types of people find themselves afflicted with. These people tend to skew more female, and with coexisting mental health problems.

    The same people that we constantly see with chronic abdominal pain (with no discernible source) and fibromyalgia all seem like they are having, conveniently, effects from "long COVID". Of course they seem to be getting the effects no one can really pin down or tell them objectively they arent having (generalized fatigue, "brain fog" etc...).

    1. Zeb   3 years ago

      Seems like long covid is largely just a label for people to give their symptoms that can't be blamed on anything else. Sort of like chrnic fatigue or fibromyalgia or IBS. As with any infection, long term effects occur in some people. But it seems to be mostly the people who always think there's something wrong with them. This is just the new thing.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

        In other words, long COVID is another term for emotionally-retarded, self-centered, drama queen hypochondria.

        1. JimboJr   3 years ago

          sprinkle in a few grains of munchie and bingo

        2. Zeb   3 years ago

          I was trying to be nice. But yeah.

        3. JesseAz   3 years ago

          It is a built in excuse to miss work and not work hard. Perfect for the lazy.

          1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

            So maybe the infection for long COVID came from stimulus checks and enhanced unemployment benefits?

        4. This Is The Zodiac Speaking   3 years ago

          "I don't care what the damn test says. My, experience, my truth is I have long COVID. Forcing me to verify it for you is a microaggression that makes me feel unsafe".

          There's your boilerplate

      2. BestUsedCarSales   3 years ago

        Yeah, who knows what it is?
        At the same time, a seminarian associated with my parish caught COVID last winter, and is still hospitalized. He appears to be recovering last time I heard, but he definitely reacted badly to it.
        I think there is something here about a real underlying phenomenon that is serious that other people attach their anxieties too as a part to medicalize what is going on with them. Medicalization pushes the fault from oneself.
        You see this with autism too, with vaguer extended symptoms attaching themselves to a core serious set of mental issues.

        1. This Is The Zodiac Speaking   3 years ago

          Some sort of modern day Lazarus

        2. Zeb   3 years ago

          I have no doubt that some people have legitimate long term symptoms. There definitely are things that could accurately be called "long covid". Just as there is with flu and with other coronaviruses for a small number of people.

          1. BestUsedCarSales   3 years ago

            Yeah. As per usual I seem to be making some wild larger point that I can't explain very well.
            It's basically that dumb trends often begin with real problems but then have many people attach their own shit to it.
            Which is why if you ever actually go to a protest on, say, climate change you will also be met with a protest for animal rights, and gay rights, and gender rights, and marxism and anarchism and...

    2. Anteater   3 years ago

      If they can't do violence in the womb then they'll do violence outside the womb.

      1. Anteater   3 years ago

        oops, wrong reply

    3. Union of Concerned Socks   3 years ago

      The new yuppie flu

    4. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

      Be compassionate! For some sufferers, long COVID is so bad, it began before 2019.

    5. Rev. Arthur L. Kuckland   3 years ago

      Sarcs long covid symptoms include waking up in random places drunk

  14. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

    'The Journal suggests that Jane's Revenge is going to "commit what sounds like what Democrats would call insurrection if it were aimed at another part of government."'

    Clearly, the WSJ needs to learn the difference between insurrection and resistance. I suggest they refer to Soviet and other Marxist literature regarding counter-revolutions.

  15. JimboJr   3 years ago

    "any anti-choice group who closes their doors, and stops operating will no longer be a target. But until you do, it's open season, and we know where your operations are."

    What's Rittenhouse up to these days? There are a few places that probably need some protection from LARPers

    1. Zeb   3 years ago

      I would bet a lot that he never wants to be in such a position again.

      1. Yatusabes   3 years ago

        dumbshit kept bragging online about planning to attend universities to which he had not been accepted, e.g Texas A & M. Not too bright that one

        1. A Thinking Mind   3 years ago

          Ah, that bullshit lie. He never said he was accepted. Someone snipped a clip out of an interview where he was talking about having applied, and how he visited the campus. He never claimed he'd already been accepted, he just talked about how he wanted to be a student there.

          It's not a lie. When someone asks you which college you're going to attend and you tell them where you applied and told them you really liked the campus, you're not claiming to already be a student. But some leftist fuckwits who have rage-boners for Rittenhouse want to continue paint him as dishonest.

          To be fair, I dislike that he's putting himself out there in public, but the fact that people are actively trying to prevent him from living his life means he might as well try to get something out of his fame. So much of society won't let him live a normal life, so he's left with grifting for attention in order to make a living.

          1. Yatusabes   3 years ago

            Kyle Rittenhouse
            @ThisIsKyleR
            Unfortunately, the end of my high school career was robbed from me. I didn't have the time other students get to properly prepare for the future.

            I look forward to attending Blinn College District this year, a feeder school for Texas A&M.

            I'm excited to join Texas A&M in 2023!
            2:15 PM · Jun 6, 2022·Twitter Web App

            ...

            he needs to tone it down big time. No university admissions committee will look kindly on these things.

            1. A Thinking Mind   3 years ago

              Still doesn't say he's been accepted to A&M, though. Just what his future plans are. I don't see anything even slightly dishonest in this. I also don't know why a university admissions committee would give one shit about people talking about their future plans to attend a university.

              1. Yatusabes   3 years ago

                Adcom (Admission Committee) staff look for social media accounts of applicants and toss out their applications in a heartbeat for the most trivial reasons. Medical schools have anywhere between 8k to 20k applicants per year for 100 slots. Dental schools, pharmacy schools, nursing, MS/PhD science programs all are fiercely competitive. Many state universities are largely closed to out of state applicants like CA, NC, SC, GA, Miss, TX, MD, etc. Those that get accepted have scores way above the median to make the schools look good.

                Perhaps Kyle is going to pursue a BA in criminal justice and stop there. He can afford to shoot his mouth off as a kid on social media because criminal justice BA programs are a dime a dozen, and they will take anybody. However, if he wishes to be accepted at a competitive school like Texas A & M, which has an acceptance rate of 58%, he doesnt want to bring attention to his comments that Adcom members will use to reject his application. Competitive is competitive.

                Getting into college today is a political process. Adcom staff are political animals.

                1. A Thinking Mind   3 years ago

                  I don't know the inner workings of admission at A&M. I just find it utterly asinine that, if they're playing politics, it's the fact that he said he's looking forward to attending their school that would get him rejected, and not the fact that he's Kyle Rittenhouse. I could imagine all manner of left-learning school admins refusing to admit him for bullshit narrative reasons, but not the "I'm excited to join A&M in 2023," vanilla words.

                  The fact that you think there's something wrong with what that tweet makes me feel like I'm in a bizarro world.

                  1. Yatusabes   3 years ago

                    I don't know the inner workings of admission at A&M

                    So you admit to talking out of your ass, then? Or maybe it's not Kyle who is the dumbshit you keep seeing in that weird glass thingy every day.

                    It would help if you were familiar with higher ed in today's world but i know I am reaching.

                    A Thinking Mind
                    June.21.2022 at 11:49 am
                    Flag Comment Mute User
                    Still doesn't say he's been accepted to A&M, though

                    Youre the asswipe who brought up acceptance. Had you read my original comment, I quoted your lost boy

                    Yatusabes
                    June.21.2022 at 10:17 am
                    Flag Comment Mute User
                    dumbshit kept bragging online about planning to attend universities to which he had not been accepted, e.g Texas A & M. Not too bright that one

                    Its not like Im asking you to give a summary of the molecular mechanisms of atherosclerosis in the setting of RNA viruses, though clearly you are a documented case of a prion disease. Go look that up fucktard, feel free to use your toe to count

                    maybe Kyle can get a letter of reference from you for Berkeley or U Texas!

            2. This Is The Zodiac Speaking   3 years ago

              I'm not sure how it is in the lower 49 but in California we have guaranteed acceptance programs for Berkeley and U of C schools with junior colleges, so that could be why there is no caveat about acceptance

              1. Stuck in California   3 years ago

                A friend is going to a UC school on one of those programs in the fall. (the son of a friend, actually, but he's a good kid and a friend in his own right). I had a similar journey a couple decades ago.

                They're great programs, you get a much better start for far less money at the junior college, and most public school graduates in this state could use a little tune up on mathematics and English skills after high school. The feeders are a great way to get up to a college level there before dealing with the UC bureaucracy and overcrowded general ed classes.

                I never thought twice about folks, like my roommate when I was at the UC school, who mentioned that they looked forward to moving from City college to the UC in a year. They were putting in the work to do it. They were on the path.

                Rittenhouse isn't a trained spokesperson, he's a dumbass kid who got caught up in a bad situation at a bad moment in history. He's not a public figure, either. Nobody should give a shit at this point what he says. Let him get on with his life.

            3. JimboJr   3 years ago

              this is the gotcha? pretty weak sauce

              "No university admissions committee will look kindly on these things."

              You are acting like he added N***** to the end of the line or something. Its about a big a nothingburger one could imagine. Which I should have known, given the sources who are printing the articles about it, but this confirms it.

            4. Trollificus   3 years ago

              Where's the expanded list of "universities" (PLURAL, MORE THAN ONE) he's "boasted" about "being accepted to"??

              Or did you have to put it like that to justify your obvious desire to reeeee at him?

              And I'm sure he could get into Blinn. Chris "Birdman" Andersen's alma mater, iirc.

              1. Yatusabes   3 years ago

                I dont recall Kyle stated he was accepted to any university. He stated he would be attending as in Texas A and M, and now a community college in TX

                Adcom boards are looking for reasons to reject applicants, particularly in competitive universities like Texas AM. This is far more applicable to grad schools. He is young and does not know what his career interest lays. If he wants to be accepted at competitive schools so that he can choose amongst his various offers, he would do well to delete his social media accounts. If grad school is down the road, even more so.

                1. A Thinking Mind   3 years ago

                  Yatusabes
                  June.21.2022 at 10:17 am

                  dumbshit kept bragging online about planning to attend universities to which he had not been accepted, e.g Texas A & M. Not too bright that one

                  Yatusabes
                  June.21.2022 at 4:06 pm

                  I dont recall Kyle stated he was accepted to any university. He stated he would be attending as in Texas A and M, and now a community college in TX

                  So you admit to talking out of your ass, then? Or maybe it's not Kyle who is the dumbshit you keep seeing in that weird glass thingy every day.

        2. HorseConch   3 years ago

          He was surprisingly pretty composed when under duress, though.

        3. BestUsedCarSales   3 years ago

          He was thrust into spotlight and celebrity. I hope he's able to recover and leave it for a private life once again.

    2. OpenBordersLiberal-tarian   3 years ago

      He better not CROSS STATE LINES.

      Did you know he CROSSED STATE LINES?

      He should have gotten a mandatory life sentence for committing his crimes after CROSSING STATE LINES.

      #StateLinesAreSacred
      #(NationalBordersNotSoMuch)

      1. Quo Usque Tandem   3 years ago

        The NO CROSSING STATE LINES principle. Don't matter if it's cross town.

        Reminds me of your earlier legal principle, the [Ginsberg] DYING WISH.

      2. This Is The Zodiac Speaking   3 years ago

        He got his hands across her state line

      3. Hank Phillips   3 years ago

        I know that Jack Johnson was being kept out of respectable, white pugilism at the time. But remind me again, what party was in power when the Mann Act was passed to put "other persons" in their place?

        1. Truthfulness   3 years ago

          How DARE those politicians pass out a law intended to prevent sex trafficking! We need to jail Rittenhouse from this surely-not-whataboutist argument from Mr. Phillips!

  16. Union of Concerned Socks   3 years ago

    Fuck Joe Biden.

    140 days to midterms.

    1. OpenBordersLiberal-tarian   3 years ago

      I can't wait! 🙂

      #BlueWave2022

      1. Union of Concerned Socks   3 years ago

        Brief, to the point, and a rare smiley face.

        A-

        1. Yatusabes   3 years ago

          thank you. His parody account has become parody-less

          1. Quo Usque Tandem   3 years ago

            He is good, but sadly will suffer the fate of The Onion and eventually Babylon Bee; Poe Horizon is unkind to parody. How can something be funny it it turns out to be true, or you just can't tell the difference any more?

            1. Trollificus   3 years ago

              If reality becomes predictable and formulaic, parody can't be any other.

              The Bee at least still has the inside-baseball perspective on Christian drama, scams and bad theology going for it. Nihilism has no equivalent structure, so the Onion was just SOL.

  17. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

    "There's something suspicious about the group's statements, which rely on over-the-top villainous language, like:

    "We have demonstrated in the past month how easy and fun it is to attack. We are versatile, we are mercurial, and we answer to no one but ourselves. …

    "From here forward, any anti-choice group who closes their doors, and stops operating will no longer be a target. But until you do, it's open season, and we know where your operations are. The infrastructure of the enslavers will not survive. We will never stop, back down, slow down, or retreat. We did not want this; but it is upon us, and so we must deal with it proportionally.
    This sounds like what someone would write if they were trying to freak people out about violent pro-choice activists."

    So, ENB wants us to think this is a Trump/Proud Boys false flag op.

    1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

      Apparently, though Trump and the Proud Boys never really gave a shit about abortion one way or another.

      1. SQRLSY One   3 years ago

        They PRETENDED to give a shit about ___fill in the blank, about ANYTHING____, so long as it got them more POLITICAL POWER! Kinda like many evil assholes that I know of!

        1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

          You mean like your Democrats?

          1. Outlaw Josey Wales   3 years ago

            Yes. I believe they have the SaveQualifiedRodentsLeavingSadYammerings I ACT in legislation now.
            Commonly referred to as the SQRLSY I ACT.

    2. Cronut   3 years ago

      Even if the statements are MAGA/Proud Boys psyop, it was good psyop because it worked. Some people DID go out an commit acts of violence and I highly doubt it was MAGA people who did it, or they'd have been found and arrested by now.

      But yeah, it's a HUGE stretch to think that this is a hoax. Leftist activists have already demonstrated a propensity for threats and violence. Whether this group actually has the organization to pull off a "night of rage" is the question.

    3. Mickey Rat   3 years ago

      Is it over the top? Has she heard how far left extremists talk about political goals? The language does not sound odd from such.

      1. Muzzled Woodchipper   3 years ago

        When you consider that the vast majority of these frustrated leftists are predominantly college educated assholes from liberal arts departments, no, using over the top language isn’t out of character. Trying to sound smarter than everyone else is their fucking MO, even when talking about very simple things to the few who weren’t sufficiently indoctrinated while attending those same liberal arts programs, and who are perfectly capable of seeing through their bullshit.

    4. Hank Phillips   3 years ago

      Sigh... "Considering a possibility of foul play when observing mindless conflict between two looter altruist gangs--both bent on the initiation of force--is different from siding with either gang. The distinction is obviously baffling to mystical and lay looters alike." Maybe ENB wants courageous, masked, sockpuppets to actually THINK for a change.

  18. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

    "The group has also taken credit for vandalism and sometimes worse—including arson, window smashing, and firebombings—in at least 14 other locations. In Amherst, New York, it painted "Jane was here" on the wall of a pro-life organization. Other locations were vandalized with the same message seen in Madison. So far, thankfully, no one has been hurt."

    100% peaceful!

    1. JimboJr   3 years ago

      Apparently if you are of the correct political persuasion you get unlimited benefit of the doubt and cover run for you

      1. Cyto   3 years ago

        Wisconsin is where an SUV went the wrong way on a parade route. You cannot expect firebombs in that area to control themselves. These things just happen.

        1. JesseAz   3 years ago

          That guy tried to get a change of venue for his trial and the judge applied the Rittenhouse standard to keep it in the city. Was glorious.

        2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

          Why do you assume the SUV was wrong? Perhaps the parade should not have taken that street.

          1. R Mac   3 years ago

            The parade route was clearly white supremacist.

  19. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

    "There's been an apparent uptick in the percentage of Americans who think Trump should be charged with a crime over Jan. 6."

    Propaganda works!

    1. R Mac   3 years ago

      It changed ENB’s brilliant mind after just the first hearing.

    2. A Thinking Mind   3 years ago

      Propaganda does work, which is why it's disgusting to hear Reason shilling for it. It needs to be fought.

    3. Hank Phillips   3 years ago

      Propaganda sure got a mess of grrrl-bulliers elected despite losing the popular vote thanks to Gary Johnson. Once women understood what had happened, that OTHER no-knock, asset-forfeiture, qualified-immunity, mandatory minimums police-state fascist geezer won simply by not helping superstitious goons send men with guns to bully the fair sex. When the score is -5 to -4, the side that wants to trample 5 rights loses. Got that?

  20. OpenBordersLiberal-tarian   3 years ago

    "Why don't we have good answers about the prevalence of long COVID?"

    Because Joe Biden shut down the virus like he promised.

    #LibertariansForBiden

    1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

      If it wasn’t for the quick mind and sharp intellect of SleepyJoe, we would all be dead!

      1. Yatusabes   3 years ago

        Here is to hoping next week that he tries to open the doors on Airforce One mid-flight while he is traveling to Europe over the Atlantic Ocean. Likely will make Dr Jill a very happy spouse abuser

    2. Commenter_XY   3 years ago

      More people died on Sleepy Joe's watch from the China virus than POTUS Trump.

      1. JesseAz   3 years ago

        He claimed just thus weekend there was no vaccination plan in place when he took office.

        1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

          Not that he remembered, anyway.

          1. R Mac   3 years ago

            Which is particularly amazing considering he’d already gotten it.

    3. This Is The Zodiac Speaking   3 years ago

      Did you see him totally send it on his mountain bike? That bro is ready for Red Bull Rampage

      1. Super Scary   3 years ago

        Imagine the deluge of articles that would have happened if Trump fell off a bike that wasn't even moving.

        1. Hank Phillips   3 years ago

          Poor victimized, misunderstood, mistreated, whining, snowflake, girl-bullying, sissy-boy Orange Hitler and his super-scared batman. *SNIF*

          1. Truthfulness   3 years ago

            Misunderstood indeed. Or in your case, deliberately slandered.

  21. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

    'Why don't we have good answers about the prevalence of long COVID?"

    Cuz it's mostly imaginary?

    1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

      This.

    2. JesseAz   3 years ago

      They need to keep counting covid deaths somehow. Long covid is that way.

  22. Rich   3 years ago

    The decision is expected to come today, Thursday, or next week.

    "Expected" by whom? Perhaps, via the Court's prerogative, it will *never* come.

  23. Rich   3 years ago

    Why don't we have good answers about the prevalence of long COVID?

    Because we haven't required people to fill out that line in their tax returns or the census?

  24. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

    'Are our elections "too online"?'

    Even online voting poses unfair burdens. What we really need is a permanent proxy voting system where officials will vote for you, based on your diversity characteristics, local demographics, and the desired electoral justice outcome.

  25. OpenBordersLiberal-tarian   3 years ago

    Why would the Republican Party push away its most patriotic faction — the pro-war neocons of the early 2000s? Here's #NeverTrump #Resistance hero Max Boot:

    We need to understand that this isn’t their war in Ukraine—it’s our war—and we need to do more to defeat Russia’s attack on the West.

    #LibertariansForEmbracingNeocons
    #(NowThatTheyreAllDemocrats)

    1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

      We need to be like the Russians to to beat the Russians.

    2. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

      Thank goodness creepy neocon fucks like Boot, French, Kristol and Goldberg are the Democrats problem now.

  26. Bill Dalasio   3 years ago

    There's something suspicious about the group's statements, which rely on over-the-top villainous language

    Funny how, all of a sudden, language that, for the last few years, progressives, ENB included, was excused as "the language of resistance" is now "over-the-top villainous". Most of the language I've seen here is standard issue college oppression-studies cant. None of it isn't anything that can't be derived from progressive dogma. But, now we're supposed to believe it's a false flag because...reasons. And this coming from the same crowd that pooh-poohed the idea that the government might have had its hand in fomenting the January 6 protests getting out of control.

    1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

      Nothing can compare to the most dangerous heavily armed threat to humanity that was j6.

      1. DarrenM   3 years ago

        I'm just glad they left their suitcase nukes at home.

        1. Hank Phillips   3 years ago

          Hey, the Starfish Child-Person Anarcho-Socialist Caucus of the National Libertarian Party demands that foreign portable CBRNE weapons be carried across the US border uninspected. Just ask Jeremy or Knapp. Their plank to that effect is still there, undeleted by the Austrian Anschluss Tea-bertarian Caucus. Any who doubted that communism and fascism are The Same Thing are welcome to apologize to Orwell now.

    2. JimboJr   3 years ago

      "Funny how, all of a sudden, language that, for the last few years, progressives, ENB included, was excused as "the language of resistance" is now "over-the-top villainous".

      But the Qanon shaman was not "over the top" he was a real viking threat to our democracy

    3. JesseAz   3 years ago

      Go and march peacefully was code for insurrection. Janes language is a false flag.

    4. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

      Mid-terms coming, and, apparently, extremist language is not polling well.

  27. Cyto   3 years ago

    "What's with the drag queen panic?"

    Ok... We have done this multiple times now, so I don't really believe the question is genuine, but here it goes.

    This is the new political strategy from the left. "They are bigots" is their primary and sometimes only weapon. This caused them a huge problem in 2008 when we entered a "post racial society". Remember that? You were there, and you cheered it on, so you should remember.

    But it caused a dillema. If we are not a racist country, then how can Democrats maintain control of the minority vote? So they decided a strategy. Find something to push against so you can get push back. They started with MoveOn associated groups pushing small towns to take down confederate monuments. This generated little national heat, despite their best attempts, so they moved on to Charlottesville. There the city center and a major identifier was under attack.. Finally, some push back!! Look at all those racists!!!!!

    They morphed this strategy to the LGBTQ community in Charlotte, NC. Even though it was not an issue, they passed a law requiring businesses to allow trans women to use the women's room. Why? So they could get push back. And when they did, the national press and their affiliated nonprofits were ready to go with pressure campaigns against corporations.

    When that fizzled out after a while, they needed more extreme stuff. So they began pushing it in schools and towards kids and sports. This time there was not one defining event, but dozens of small events. The final dam bursting moment may have been the Virginia school board that denied that there had been any incidents due to their trans friendly bathroom policies... Directly to the face of a father who's daughter had been raped in the girls restroom by a boy in a skirt.

    That will get you some push back. Yay!!! Someone we can label transphobic!

    We have had a slew of intentionally provacative "out a child in an event with obvious sexual overtones" attempts and reactions of late. Pretending like it is an unprovoked "panic" is not just disingenuous, it is disqualifying for a pundit. If you pretend that what is happening is "crazy right wing activists getting their panties in a twist over nonexistent threats from teh trans community", you are not just wrong. You are an active participant in the dishonest propaganda campaign that is intended to foment division for political purposes.

    There can be no defense of "in my opinion". This has been going on long enough and they have been open enough about their intentions and methods that feigning ignorance simply won't work at this point.

    Being for racial equality and harmony does not mean you have to accept inherent white guilt. Being for equal rights and human dignity for LGBTQIA people does not mean you have to support former male Olympic weightlifters competing as women. Or teaching 4 year old kids that they can choose their gender each day.

    And being against those things doesn't make you part of some crazy moral panic, unhinged from any reality.

    1. R Mac   3 years ago

      Yes, ENB is a progressive propagandist.

    2. Yatusabes   3 years ago

      What's with the drag queen panic?

      Youtube locked out Kitty Demure out of his own account because his drag queen speech, a must see, was not in conformity to the DNC Woke talking points. Talk about panic by YouTube handlers, yet again. The comments by both gays and straights are outstanding.

      DRAG QUEEN RESPONSE TO DRAG QUEEN STORY BOOK HOUR
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMSZdI2KVko

      1. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   3 years ago

        Holy crap.

      2. Gaear Grimsrud   3 years ago

        Thanks for the link. The comments by gay people particularly enlightening. Really time for cultural push back on this shit and gay people may have to take the lead.

        1. Yatusabes   3 years ago

          We are

    3. Quo Usque Tandem   3 years ago

      Yes, I well remember the "post racial society" talk that immediately followed BHO's election; that surely did not last long, with the first family invoking race at every opportunity. It is just too useful a cudgel to relinquish that easily.

      1. Gaear Grimsrud   3 years ago

        Obama intentionally sabotaged the "post racial" moment for purely political reasons. We are still paying the price.

    4. JimboJr   3 years ago

      Dont forget the power-wielding exercise of coercing someone to admit X clearly silly and untrue thing is real. Not only that, but you will say it, and you will label anyone else who doesn't say it a bigot / heretic / apostate until they also say it.

      A hallmark of so many cults, religions, and of course communists. If they can get you to admit water is dry, fire is cold, and anyone that doesn't also admit this is a bigot, they have power over you. And they know this

    5. A Thinking Mind   3 years ago

      You forgot the shilling of the Trayvon Martin and Michael Brown bullshit stories to claim we're still in a racist dystopia.

    6. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

      "If we are not a racist country, then how can Democrats maintain control of the minority vote?"

      Yeah, well, it looks like most black and brown families are not as fond of drag queens as urban hipsters are, and the Democratic strategy might be exactly wrong (for them).

      1. R Mac   3 years ago

        Eh, they can always fortify most black and some brown votes.

    7. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   3 years ago

      There the LGBTQIA2+ community was, minding their own business when... ALL OF A SUDDEN!

    8. BestUsedCarSales   3 years ago

      This trend predates MoveOn or anything recent. Taking a radical action and claiming the reaction to it is radical is politics and rhetoric back to antiquity. There's a Demosthenes speech that uses this rhetorical trick as well. I went to hunt it down, but it led me to a list of Top 10 Speeches of All-Time that included, Lincoln, Demosthenes and Barack Obama. So, I'm just going to feel sad for awhile.

      1. R Mac   3 years ago

        That Barack guy sure is well spoken and clean.

        — Sleepy Joe

    9. Hank Phillips   3 years ago

      PCycho overlooks the 1924 Dem Convention at which Comstock Prohibitionists and Austrian Eugenicists barely blocked a resolution condemning the Klan. Remembering, the Klan backed "New Race Dry Hope" Bert Hoover and opposed papal conspirator Al Smith. George Wallace briefly blew on the embers of White Khristianity, but the Gee-Oh-Pee absorbed them and their 9 million angry voters. All three parties fielded pro-war, prohibitionist, anti-choice platforms and candidates. Americans outside the Sam Browne Bible Belt now prefer Obama to the Klan.

      1. Gaear Grimsrud   3 years ago

        Obama and the Klan are irrelevant so duh.

  28. Brandybuck   3 years ago

    I'm not going to call these people "anarchists". It's clear that part of their credo is that abortion be free and that the government pay for it. They're not anarchists, they're puerile nihilists. Do whatever without any rules but government pays for all consequences for their actions.

    1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

      Remember the Occupy Wallstreet asshats? They claimed to be socialists and anarchists at the same time.

      1. Cyto   3 years ago

        The anarcho-communists make my brain hurt

        1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

          Anarchy comes from an-archon, with "an" meaning "no" with "archon" coming from Latin "A person who claims the right to rule, or to exercise power or sovereign authority over other human beings."

          So anarchy doesn't mean no rules. It means no ruler. The idea is that people can cooperate without threat of violence from the sovereign. Everybody plays nice.

          Anarcho-communism would be everyone voluntarily sharing because they're all good comrades.

          1. BestUsedCarSales   3 years ago

            Which I'm sympathetic towards. Anarchy in general I tend to agree is a moral ideal. I don't even mind anarcho-communists. I, in fact, really respect the type of communalist who goes out and does it. Forming a commune, putting in the work, and giving it a go. I think there is something almost noble about it, and they're the type of hippy I tend to have respect for and enjoy. I also like Malcolm X though, so I have some time for separatists.

            There're a lot of anarchist types who mix with Marxist revolutionary stylings though, bringing a militant edge to the public square. They should be rejected and put down as hard as possible.
            My libertopia has a lot of time for folks making their own spaces and having their own weird communities even if I personally think everyone should be devout Catholics.

            1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

              The problem with anarchy is that it only takes about five minutes for a group of bullies use superior numbers to start stealing with impunity. The people being robbed band together to pay people to stop the robbers, and the winner becomes government.

              1. BestUsedCarSales   3 years ago

                It's definitely a problem. It's why I tend to view anarchism as a directional ideal. We should slowly remove restrictions, force people to resolve more of their differences without an intermediary, and move towards a less regulated existence slowly. Give people time to adapt, and if certain things are ultimately not working, don't be afraid to pull back a bit and focus on other areas of regulation.
                I think an anti-revolutionary stance is the real core of whatever political conservatism I have in me.

                1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

                  We should slowly remove restrictions

                  Removing restrictions is the libertarian conundrum. People seek power to wield and accumulate it, not to dismantle it.

                  , force people to resolve more of their differences without an intermediary

                  As far as resolving differences goes, providing a way for people to do that without violence is a core function of government. Look at the drug trade for an example of people resolving disputes without an intermediary.

                  Give people time to adapt

                  I dunno man, seems contrary to human nature. Without government people will use force to get their way. It's human nature.

                  If men were angels, no government would be necessary. If angels were to govern men, neither external nor internal controls on government would be necessary. In framing a government which is to be administered by men over men, the great difficulty lies in this: you must first enable the government to control the governed; and in the next place oblige it to control itself.

                  FEDERALIST NO. 51

                  1. BestUsedCarSales   3 years ago

                    Removing restrictions is the libertarian conundrum. People seek power to wield and accumulate it, not to dismantle it.
                    Agreed. Though I still believe the real issue is that voters want a redistributive state. We like to paint a lot of things as corruption that I think are closer to unintended consequences of people getting what they voted for. We're still a democratic nation, perhaps too democratic in many ways.

                    As far as resolving differences goes, providing a way for people to do that without violence is a core function of government. Look at the drug trade for an example of people resolving disputes without an intermediary.
                    That is one example, and I'm sympathetic as well to the idea that government is a monopoly on violence and this is a reasonable level of concession to an ideal.
                    That said, I think we've had many places where individuals had to resolve their differences being taken up by the government to horrendous outcomes. So, dealing with shared land-use being pushed to courts has decreased our ability to interact and increased the cost of actually resolving issues. We even see this in the increased tendency of neighbors to go and complain to a local government or HOA rather than talk to their neighbor and try to work it out first. This strains communities and I believe has a larger negative impact on making people feel that they do not have control of their own circumstances.

                    I dunno man, seems contrary to human nature. Without government people will use force to get their way. It's human nature.
                    Culture underlies anything the government does. This slow adaptation is basically allowing culture and intermediary institutions to develop, this in turn impacts the government that develops from these cultures. I do believe in human nature, but I also believe that culture does a lot to restrain and channel that nature.
                    Government tends to be a cudgel that attempts to entirely circumvent culture, which in some cases is good. That's basically the doctrine of enumerated powers which is discussed in Federalist N. 45 iirc. Obviously, a government with enumerated powers is not super popular in this day and age, but as a libertarian I'm used to everyone fucking hating me.

                    1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

                      ...but as a libertarian I'm used to everyone fucking hating me.

                      It's funny because it's true.

                      I sometimes joke that the right gives lip service to economic liberty while being openly hostile to personal liberty, while the left gives lip service to personal liberty while being openly hostile to economic liberty.

                      Libertarians support economic liberty and personal liberty.

                      So the right hates us for supporting personal liberty while the left hates us for supporting economic liberty.

          2. Azathoth!!   3 years ago

            Anarcho-communism would be everyone voluntarily sharing because they're all good comrades.

            The thing is, people can voluntarily share without anarchism or communism.

            In fact, they do.

            Communism means sharing even when you can't. It means taking from you when you have more than anyone else whether you like it or not. And that part of communism always necessitates an 'archon'. The archon is intrinsic to communism. The archon it the thing that enforces the 'greater good'.

            So there can never be an 'anarcho-communist'.

            There are just communists, trying to recruit.

          3. Hank Phillips   3 years ago

            I like Eric Frank Russell as much as anyone. In his novels the Kleptocracy is a tiny band at one spot on an entire non-aggressive planet. The LP is at most 5% of the US population, surrounded by 24 times as many dupes of communo-fascist dictatorships, medieval monarchies and looter mixed economy kleptocracies. So in the real world, for each libertarian on U.S. territory there are a million four hundred thousand enslaved and brainwashed looters. This the opposite of the context in which freethinkers go native and bureaucrats beat it back to Planet of the Japes.

        2. BestUsedCarSales   3 years ago

          Give anarcho-syndicalism a try if you want a clearly intelligent person try to explain an incoherent philosophy.

          1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

            In the old days there were a few on the board. I know exactly what you mean.

          2. Trollificus   3 years ago

            You mean a system where the members take it in turns to act as a sort of executive officer for the week, but all the decisions of that officer have to be ratified at a special bi-weekly meeting by a simple majority in the case of purely internal affairs, but by a two-thirds majority in the case of purely external affairs?

            Sounds ideal, given adequate quantities of muck.

    2. JesseAz   3 years ago

      So you openly called Dave Smith and the Mises Caucus anarchists yesterday.. but some group fire bombing clinics and painting anarchist symbols is a step too far?

      L O FUCKING L

      1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

        He's saying they're dumbasses for claiming to be anarchists while wanting free shit from the government. Pay attention.

        1. JesseAz   3 years ago

          Did you see his comments yesterday buddy? Pay attention.

          Was good the last 2 days without hour shit flinging.

          1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

            He wrote this today:

            I'm not going to call these people "anarchists". It's clear that part of their credo is that abortion be free and that the government pay for it. They're not anarchists, they're puerile nihilists. Do whatever without any rules but government pays for all consequences for their actions.

            He is very clearly saying that there is a logical inconsistency between someone claiming to be an anarchist while wanting free shit from the government.

            Your response was:

            So you openly called Dave Smith and the Mises Caucus anarchists yesterday.. but some group fire bombing clinics and painting anarchist symbols is a step too far?

            L O FUCKING L

            That has absolutely nothing to do with what he just said. Nothing at all. It's a deliberate misinterpretation of what he said combined with thought and motivation based a vague reference to something said yesterday.

            Was good the last 2 days without hour shit flinging.

            The only one flinging shit here is you. Everyone else is trying to have a conversation.

            1. Hank Phillips   3 years ago

              Ambrose Bierce on anarchism: A distinguishing feature of socialism as we have the happiness to know it in this country is its servitude to anarchism. In theory the two are directly antithetical. They are the North and the South Pole of political thought, leagues and leagues removed from zones of intellectual fertility. Anarchism says: “Ye shall have no law”; socialism: “Law is all that ye shall have.” They “pool their issues” and make common cause, but let them succeed in their work of destruction and their warfare would not be accomplished: there would remain the congenial task of destroying each other. The present alliance is no figure of speech. It is a fact, unknown to the follow-my-leader socialist, but not to his leader; not to observers having acquaintance with the proselyting methods of the time; not at the headquarters of anarchism in Paterson, New Jersey, where a great body of socialist “literature” is written, printed and set going. He who is not sufficiently “advanced” for anarchism is persuaded to socialism. The babe is fed with malted milk until strong enough for the double-distilled thunder-and-lightning of a more candid purveyance. Whatever makes for discontent brings nearer the reign of reprisal. This is circa 1910, viewable at Gutenberg.org

          2. Zeb   3 years ago

            I think you might be missing that "anarchist" is not a negative for Bransy.

      2. NOYB2   3 years ago

        No, he is saying that people who want abortion to be paid for by the government clearly don't want to abolish government, hence aren't "anarchists".

        1. JesseAz   3 years ago

          The point was he called Dave smith an anarchist yesterday.

          Brandybuck
          June.20.2022 at 3:19 pm
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          This is true, but no reason to make the LP an anarchists only club. And not just any anarchist, but only the right brand of Anarcho-Capitalism. I see a lot of pushback against the MC from voluntaryists and agoristsm, who are both technically anarchists of the free market variety, just without the shrines to Rothbard.

          This despite MC nor Dave ever coming out as anarchists. So he has different standards depending on the group he is going after.

          MC nor Smith are anarchists.

          1. NOYB2   3 years ago

            The problem with using the term "anarchism" is that "absence of a state" comes in three common flavors: (1) libertarian "anarchism" (there is no state, but society is ordered and run through private arrangements), (2) utopian communism (society doesn't need government after all reactionaries have been killed in labor camps), and (3) chaos and lawlessness (society has collapsed entirely and doesn't have either private or governmental arrangements).

            Most people can't even conceive of (1), so they imagine an "anarchist" to be either (2) or (3).

            That's why the term "anarchism" is best avoided by libertarians and replaced by something like "voluntaryism".

            But technically, Dave Smith is an "anarchist" of type (1):

            [Dave Smith:] I was a minarchist and I abandoned that identity because I was convinced by superior arguments. Rights protection is a service, like all other services it’s best delivered by a voluntary free market.

    3. BestUsedCarSales   3 years ago

      There is a very long trend of anarchism that includes this. Lots of communalist anarchist styles are like this. The militant anarchisms of the 19th century are weirdly reactionary.
      I think the real thing is there are at least two threads of anarchism, and they really differ significantly on their ideas. So, the Libertarian, Misean anarchism is quite different from the Jacobin socialist anarchism.

      1. Azathoth!!   3 years ago

        You cannot be 'socialist' anarchist because anything socialist requires a mechanism to enforce the distribution of goods/services equitably. Even if that force is everyone but the offender, it is still a force, and negates the 'an' in anarchy.

        You can be a libertarian anarchist because exercising personal liberty requires no external force.

        1. BestUsedCarSales   3 years ago

          I would agree in a practical sense. Pre-Marxist socialism had a lot of that communalism style of socialism, and the Jacobins also were of that thread. I don't think it can possibly work, but it was an argument made and that this intellectual thread exists and has continued into the modern day discussions is worth making clear. It makes one better able to identify these types of arguments when they come up so as to rebut them.

        2. NOYB2   3 years ago

          You cannot be 'socialist' anarchist because anything socialist requires a mechanism to enforce the distribution of goods/services equitably.

          Socialism is supposed to lead to communism. The equitable distribution of goods/services is supposed to flow from the proper, voluntary consciousness and education of citizens.

          That is, libertarian anarchism assumes that many people don't care about each other, but cooperate in the absence of the state out of economic incentives.

          Communist anarchism assumes that people have been reeducated to care about each other, so they cooperate without the need for the state and without the need for economic incentives.

          One of these works in practice, the other one doesn't.

      2. Hank Phillips   3 years ago

        All anarchists for the past two centuries have been and are angry, violent communists. They are all over Google and every other newsprint archive on the planet. Only in 1972 did some communist anarchists take the GOP smears against objectivism and mold it with their faeces into a theory that anarchists are laissez-faire. It is straight-up infiltrate and neutralize attacks on the LP by communist and Kleptocracy looters alike.

    4. Super Scary   3 years ago

      "It's clear that part of their credo is that abortion be free and that the government pay for it. "

      Are they aware of what an oxymoron is?

    5. Hank Phillips   3 years ago

      No. It's YOUR looter credo that all health care EXCEPT that be cartelized by collectivized medicine. The 1972 libertarian platform demanded only that no State send men with guns to threaten or coerce doctors before the first 100 days. Compare this with the 13th Amendment and it is a weak but nonzero defense of individual rights for women, not a demand for anything but freedom from coercion.

  29. Dillinger   3 years ago

    >>building was also painted with an anarchist symbol

    leave it to a stupid chick to get the anarchy symbol wrong.

  30. Cronut   3 years ago

    "What's with the drag queen panic?"

    What's with the drag queen panic is, the "drag queen panic" doesn't exist. Nobody is panicking about drag queens generally. Nobody had any serious concerns about drag queens generally until drag queens started showing up during children's story hours at public libraries. At that point, people became concerned about drag queens, because most normal human beings agree, drag queens are not generally appropriate entertainment for children. The reason for that is because drag queens are charicatures of female sexuality, and by their nature, highly sexualized.

    Most normal people agree that highly sexualized entertainment is not appropriate for children. There is a multi-billion dollar industry built around the idea that some things are not appropriate for young eyes and young minds, in the form of parental control apps and software to keep you g children from accessing inappropriate content online.

    Calling it a "drag queen panic," is fundamentally dishonest. Many adults enjoy drag queens as entertainment and that's fine. They get it. They know what it is. The concern is about the excesses of leftist ideology creeping into normal society, where normal people don't want it. The push to try and make drag an appropriate form of entertainment for children is just the left trying to push further into normal society and erode boundaries that normal people don't want eroded.

    1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

      Most normal people agree that highly sexualized entertainment is not appropriate for children.

      I don't how objecting to drag queens in the classroom is any different than objecting to R movies.

      1. Cronut   3 years ago

        It's not. I don't object to the existence of rated R movies generally, but I wouldn't let my 7 year old watch one. And I certainly would have a serious problem with a rated R movie being shown in a second grade classroom.

        1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

          Exactly. If the objectors framed it that way it would be harder to argue against them.

          1. R Mac   3 years ago

            That is how they frame it. The leftwing media just lies about it. Did you know, for example, that the “Don’t say gay” bill has nothing to do with saying gay?

            1. JimboJr   3 years ago

              I was informed by the leftwing media that the anti-CRT bills were a right wing ploy to whitewash history and make sure we never talk about slavery.

              They didn't mention any of the actual text of the bills...conveniently

            2. sarcasmic   3 years ago

              Give me a link or two. I'm not being snarky. It's just that it's not important enough for me to go through the searching process. But if you give me a link or two I'll look. Just no kiddie pron.

              1. JesseAz   3 years ago

                The bill has been linked in every shackford article...

              2. R Mac   3 years ago

                “I'm not being snarky…Just no kiddie pron.”

                Fuck off sarc.

                1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

                  Lighten up, Francis.

                  1. R Mac   3 years ago

                    Fuck off sarc.

              3. Trollificus   3 years ago

                "Just no kiddie pron."

                Okay:
                https://goat.se.cx shows where the left gets their ideas about the contents of the various legislation they demonize.

    2. A Thinking Mind   3 years ago

      This problem just isn't going to lick itself.

    3. BestUsedCarSales   3 years ago

      I mostly agree.

    4. Rev. Arthur L. Kuckland   3 years ago

      Didn't the guys that start drag queen story hour get caught molesting children?

  31. Dillinger   3 years ago

    >>will the protests remain peaceful?

    of course not. *am* enjoying those idiots walking around with bloody pants holding toy babies out in front of them though. the humans who didn't abort those ladies must be beaming with pride

  32. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   3 years ago

    The Journal suggests that Jane's Revenge is going to "commit what sounds like what Democrats would call insurrection if it were aimed at another part of government."

    But we have no idea if the flyers are even real (as opposed to being put out by a group trying to make pro-choice activists look bad, or just stir up chaos and fear). And even if they are, it doesn't follow that people are going to actually take up the call.

    Compare this measured, careful, skeptical coverage, now compare it to anything January 6 related.

    1. Dillinger   3 years ago

      they got my mom all freaked out about being firebombed I told her to make a media spectacle by baking hundreds of cookies to hand out when they show up. her cookies are a peace agent.

      1. R Mac   3 years ago

        Just tell your mom ENB says it’s just a hoax, and since she’s so honest there’s nothing to worry about.

  33. Nardz   3 years ago

    Typical leftist thread...

    https://twitter.com/steffcabs/status/1538356401747140609?t=ASqSaGq74D1VSPQ_ttTsCA&s=19

    this is very chill and normal and not death waiting to happen on the streets of astoria

    [Pics, thread]

    1. R Mac   3 years ago

      So much cope and seethe.

    2. Cronut   3 years ago

      These people are just such miserable fucks. I can't even imagine getting so angry about someone else's truck existing.

    3. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   3 years ago

      I don't understand. One reply tweet noted that we had a problem when the "cars were bigger than people".

      Um... ALL cars are bigger than people. If they weren't you wouldn't be able to get inside them.

      1. Zeb   3 years ago

        It took me a few minutes to figure out that it wasn't her truck.

  34. TangoDelta   3 years ago

    Greater kudus to deer Judge Cory Wilson, he certainly doesn't 'lope along but instead gets right to the puns.

    This is a case about beer. It turns on the meaning of the word "owned," a pint-sized word with stout implications for craft brewers in Texas.

    1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

      Sounds like he has a good head on his shoulders.

      1. R Mac   3 years ago

        Is that from the actual decision or a leaked draft?

        1. BestUsedCarSales   3 years ago

          Opening paragraph of this decision:
          https://www.ca5.uscourts.gov/opinions/pub/21/21-50195-CV0.pdf

          1. Trollificus   3 years ago

            HIs opinions just pour right out.

          2. Gaear Grimsrud   3 years ago

            Good stuff. SCOTUS could learn a few things about writing opinions from this guy. First time a court document made laugh out loud.

          3. R Mac   3 years ago

            Should I have spelled it draught?

  35. Marshal   3 years ago

    This sounds like what someone would write if they were trying to freak people out about violent pro-choice activists.

    It seems ENB doesn't pay attention to how leftist activists cast themselves as heroes fighting against forces of evil. The rhetoric she tries to frame as illegitimate is in fact perfectly consistent with their worldview. She's doing the best she can to protect the left, just as the NYT "reporter" did by claiming the leak must have been a right-side source. All they do is work to protect their allies.

    1. SQRLSY One   3 years ago

      "All they do is work to protect their allies."

      I am SOOO glad to see that, SOOO clearly, it is NOT something that YOU are doing right now!

      See https://thehill.com/changing-america/respect/equality/566982-terrifying-new-study-says-our-conspiracy-theory-epidemic and (same thing) https://www.salon.com/2021/08/08/a-terrifying-new-theory-fake-news-and-conspiracy-theories-as-an-evolutionary-strategy/
      A terrifying new theory: Fake news and conspiracy theories as an evolutionary strategy.

      Social scientist Michael Bang Petersen on why people believe outrageous lies — as a tool in violent group conflict.

      So we instinctively hold fast to the lies that we WANT to believe, to mark our tribal allegiances! And to pre-justify “my tribe’s violence GOOD, and YOUR tribe’s violence BAD!” This is next to impossible to “educate away”, since it is so primordial. It’s not a matter of FACTS; it is FAR more so, a matter of tribal alliances and allegiances, and political (and even physical, in times of war) survival.

      The true nature of reality has very-very little to do with short-term political success. That’s what the above-cited article is all about! Short-term political success has MUCH more to do with signaling that “I am part of OUR tribe! I hold ALL of the wacky beliefs that OUR tribe holds, whether they are true, or not! My tribe’s violence GOOD; THEIR tribe’s violence is BAD! So when our tribal chieftain is looking to whack the bad guys with a stick… Remember! I am one of the GOOD guys! I go with the untruths of OUR tribe, NOT those of the BAD tribe!”

      1. R Mac   3 years ago

        Claiming a group threatening violence is a hoax, when they’ve already actually engaged in violence, is working to cover for that group.

        But you’ve made it clear you’re good with violence against your political enemies, so of course you defend it.

        1. SQRLSY One   3 years ago

          Do you believe that there can ever be such a thing as a justified defensive war? If so, then you, too, are "good with violence against your political enemies"!

          I (unlike assholes around here) write plainly. I do believe that some wars are justified. VERY FEW of them are justified, and then, only justified for ONE side's perspective! ANY violence is WRONG, from at least one side!

          Tribalist assholes like YOU are ALL too willing, at the drop of a hat, to call insults to Your Precious Baby Feelings, or accidental toe-stepping or elbow-bumping "violence", and respond in manners WAAAAY disproportionate to the "offense"! And THERE is the crux of the problem! Good JUDGMENT is required, and you have NONE!

          1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

            People are talking badly about the Democrats, so here's Shillsy to call everyone tribalists and shitpost conversation to oblivion.

          2. Its_Not_Inevitable   3 years ago

            "I...write plainly."

            I would beg to differ.

            1. SQRLSY One   3 years ago

              Wow, we are ALL critics! But it seems to me that SOME critics cannot be bothered to give ANY excuses for their opinions!

              The Authoritarian Way is to say "Because I say so", and then give NO details! Peons who ask questions will be DEALT with!

              1. Its_Not_Inevitable   3 years ago

                Exhibit A

    2. BestUsedCarSales   3 years ago

      I really want to reiterate that this is how people talk online now. I agree it sounds stupid and unsubtle, but we have a generation of people trained to be as blunt as possible in their analysis.
      It could be a hoax (whatever that means in this context) or not, but the bad writing doesn't indicate anything.

  36. Marshal   3 years ago

    Democrats are encouraging violence again and their media allies are trying to reduce the negative reaction just as they did during 6 months of BLM riots. This is their role.

  37. Nardz   3 years ago

    https://twitter.com/Pariah_in_Exile/status/1539228863246610432?t=Db1dArTdu35MylkrwsO4Tg&s=19

    Will Zelensky be hosting the Golden Globe Awards in Ukraine next year?

    [Video]

    1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

      I kinda hope so. It would be the death of it.

    2. Rev. Arthur L. Kuckland   3 years ago

      Nah he will host it in Russia, in the Donbas region

  38. DarrenM   3 years ago

    "Americans may be changing their opinions about January 6, as the House Select Committee investigating the riots and Trump's role in fomenting them airs its evidence"

    So, propaganda works. Is this news?

    1. SQRLSY One   3 years ago

      Any evidence that shows My Sacred Tribe to be in the wrong? It is ALWAYS propaganda, yes!

      "My Tribe's lies leading to violence against your tribe GOOD! Your tribe's lies leading to violence against My Sacred Tribe BAD! VERY bad!"

      Has this approach been tried before? What were the results?

      1. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 years ago

        The shitmuncher loves to pretend that he's not a tribalist while decrying tribalism.

        Sort of like the Jon Stewart "both sides are jacked up, but Republicans, amirite" types.

        1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

          Sqrlsy's living proof that tribalism and propaganda work.

        2. SQRLSY One   3 years ago

          Some idiots around here claim that it is "tribalistic" and-or "too judgmental" to say that the "tribe" of the likes of Jesus, Gandhi, and Martin Luther King Jr., is in ANY way superior to the "tribe" of the likes of Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Idi Amin, Pol Pot, Putin, and Donald Trump. I could name some names of such idiots I were asked to do so, in a polite manner...

          1. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 years ago

            Some idiots around here just imitate Dumbfuck Hihnsano.

            1. SQRLSY One   3 years ago

              You mean like Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Idi Amin, Pol Pot, Putin, Donald Trump, and Red-Rocks-for-"Brains"?

              1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

                No. Like Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Idi Amin, Pol Pot, Putin, Biden, Trudeau and ᛋᛋqrlsy One.

      2. Hank Phillips   3 years ago

        There was an Austrian Catholic boy who grew up to write a political platform endorsing Lutheran and Vatican Positive Christianity, endorsing commonsense censorship, pension, race and gun laws. He convinced his followers that His side had won in November 1918, but WE WUZ ROBBED! Fifteen years later the local Congress was put to the torch and all Liberal and RINO parties abolished. So... did everyone live happily ever after?

        1. SQRLSY One   3 years ago

          No, didn't work so swell last time... But WE and OUR Tribe can make it WORK, dammit!!! 'Cause we're AMERICANS!!!!

          (American left-turds and American right-wing wrong-nuts say the EXACT same things here!!!)

        2. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

          "There was an Austrian Catholic boy who grew up to write a political platform endorsing Lutheran and Vatican Positive Christianity"

          You spout such colossal bullshit, Hank.

          1. SQRLSY One   3 years ago

            Hitler and Trump... 2 peas in a pod! It is plain for us to see, if we open up our eyes!

            https://www.salon.com/2021/04/11/trumps-big-lie-and-hitlers-is-this-how-americas-slide-into-totalitarianism-begins/
            Trump’s Big Lie and Hitler’s: Is this how America’s slide into totalitarianism begins?

            The above is mostly strictly factual, with very little editorializing. When I post it, the FACTS never get refuted… I only get called names. But what do you expect from morally, ethically, spiritually, and intellectually bankrupt Trumpturds?

            Totalitarians want to turn GOP into GOD (Grand Old Dicktatorshit).

    2. Moderation4ever   3 years ago

      If its propaganda, then it is from the Republican because they are the only ones testifying.

      1. Truthfulness   3 years ago

        You do know the committee was started by a Democratic administration, don't you? So much for your claims.

        1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

          Yeah, but he's here to lie.

        2. Moderation4ever   3 years ago

          Not a Democratic Administration but rather a Democratic speaker and Republicans had a number of chances to participate, besides testifying that is. The former President recently criticized the Republican for not participating.

    3. Gaear Grimsrud   3 years ago

      This kangaroo court is their last best chance to avoid a bloodbath in November. They're going to need a lot more than an uptick in idiots who think Trump should be prosecuted. But it makes ENB smile. Nobody gives a shit. I just paid 5.19/gallon for gas and diesel topped 6.00 in every state I drove in last week. This show trial is background noise. But Reason thinks it will save their boy Joe. Amazing.

      1. Cronut   3 years ago

        https://www.ksl.com/article/50408195/blackouts-possible-this-summer-due-to-heat-and-extreme-weather-officials-warn

        I'm sure all those people will prioritize J6 over rolling blackouts this summer.

        It's unfortunate that midterms are in November when the cold weather really starts to settle in for many Americans. I wonder what they're going to come up with to try and distract people from their enormous heating bills.

  39. Bill Godshall   3 years ago

    "Americans may be changing their opinions about January 6, as the House Select Committee investigating the riots and Trump's role in fomenting them airs its evidence:"

    Nothing like ENB and Reason advocating/defending deceitful left wing smears by Democrats and media propagandists to prosecute and persecute Trump yet again (to take away his right/ability to run/win again in 2024), while failing to mention Nancy Pelosi's failure to defend/protect the Capitol on Jan 6 after Trump requested 10,000 National Guard Troops and while Ray Epps and other FBI agents/informants planned and broke into the Capitol Grounds and then the Capitol before herding thousands of peaceful Trump supporters into the Capitol Grounds and then hundreds into the Capitol (in order to frame Trump and his supporters for Pelosi's failure to do her job of protecting the Capitol).

    1. Bill Godshall   3 years ago

      The coverup (by Democrats and the left wing Trump hating media) about Pelosi's refusal to protect the Capitol (after Trump requested troops to do so), and the framing of Trump as the perpetrator of Jan 6 is the worst lie yet about Trump.

      ENB still hasn't mentioned Ray Epps in any of her anti Trump tirades.

      1. R Mac   3 years ago

        Nobody at Reason has mentioned Ray, to my knowledge. But hey, something seems fishy about some words in those pro-abortion threats, so let’s go with hoax, ok?

      2. Hank Phillips   3 years ago

        Nor has ENB mentioned James Larratt Battersby. Nobody but George Orwell mentioned that Christian. And now his book, unlike Pelosi's selfies of herself dousing the Reichstag in gasoline, is an open book. The Holy Book of Adolf Hitler stands as a monument to christian conservative values anyone can now find online.

        1. Truthfulness   3 years ago

          What does that have to do with mentioning the January 6 Capitol riot and the committee? It doesn't, and your red herring fallacy doesn't change the fact of what truly happened that day.

          Pelosi failing to make any effort in reacting to the riot is a lot more telling than your whataboutism. Seek Jesus, Hank.

          Anyone want the honor to refute his other posts?

          1. Gaear Grimsrud   3 years ago

            It's all about the Comstock laws. And the GOPEE. Hank is a professional libertarian interpretor. He imparts the wisdom of the ages. Or maybe just the aged.

    2. R Mac   3 years ago

      I heard an interview this am on local radio of a Republican in the state legislature (MI) that was part off the elections here. I missed the first minute, so I’m not sure exactly what his role was. He was questioned in writing by the committee about any effort by Trump to interfere. He stated flatly that neither Trump or anyone connected to Trump contacted him at all, and he had nothing to do with 1/6. They still wanted him to come testify in their showtrial as token republican.

  40. Mickey Rat   3 years ago

    Ok, ENB, "firebombing" is not vandalism. They are threatening and apparently have committed property destruction in order to prevent others from exercising their rights because the disagree ideologically. The proper description is terrorism.

    1. Mike Laursen   3 years ago

      Not understanding your beef with ENB. She called firebombing worse than vandalism — are you offended by her taxonomy of criminal acts varying slightly from yours? Or maybe you are trying to find some fault with a Reason writer to signal to other commenters here that you are in their Reason-bashing club?

      1. Mickey Rat   3 years ago

        I find ENB to be disingenuous on most days, and for good reason. She is trying to downplay the political crimes already committed in this group's name and trying to deny its existence based on nonexistent evidence.

        1. Mike Laursen   3 years ago

          She called fire bombing WORSE than vandalism. How is that “downplaying”.

      2. Hank Phillips   3 years ago

        Mike, you could be just a leeetle more sensitive of the feelings of others. Ever since the Reichstag burning, national socialists have been uncomfortable with too many references to arson. They used to be uncomfortable around talk of thousands of Polish officers in mass graves in the Katyn forest. But now that that flag is forensically false, it is soviet national socialists who are offended by the waving of that bloody shirt. ENB truthfully commented that right now we don't know what is going on.

        1. Gaear Grimsrud   3 years ago

          We know exactly what's going on.

  41. Nardz   3 years ago

    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ukraine-bans-main-opposition-party-seizes-all-its-assets

    The ban means that Zelensky’s main political opposition has been eliminated. The OPPL was the second largest party in the country and its popularity surpassed that of Zelensky’s Servant of the People party last year.

    Its leader Viktor Medvedchuk, who claims he is merely looking out for the interests of the Ukrainian people by seeking better relations with Russia, was placed under house arrest last month.

    The announcement said the party was suspected of acting to “undermine the sovereignty” of Ukraine, with authorities have already banned 10 other political opposition parties for the same reason.

    Last month, President Zelensky signed a bill into law that gave the green light to ban any party that challenged the government’s policy on the Russian invasion, empowering courts to seize assets without the right to appeal.

    While opposition parties are being obliterated, Ukrainians who engage in dissent are also being rounded up and arrested by armed men from the Ukraine Security Service.

    1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

      Trudeau is green with envy.

    2. Rev. Arthur L. Kuckland   3 years ago

      I bring this up anytime people say Ukraine is fighting for democracy

    3. Gaear Grimsrud   3 years ago

      Zelenski just needs more missiles to like save democracy. Once he kicks the Russkies out of Crimea democracy will flourish.

  42. Nardz   3 years ago

    https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/cnn-analyst-suggests-inflation-needed-achieve-green-agenda

    “...This is something that I think, unfortunately, no politician, particularly the Democrats right now in advance of midterms or a presidential election want to land on, which is some of the transitions to a kinder, gentler, I believe more stable, and ultimately more resilient economy, are going to be inflationary in the short to medium term.

    What’s the cost of something if you actually have a real price on carbon, and then you have to tally in how much it costs to tote it over tens of thousands of miles from the South China Seas? What’s the cost if you have proper environmental and labor standards? ...This is the conversation happening right now. And once you start pricing all those costs in, and you start really thinking of the economy in a different way, then yeah, it is certainly is inflationary..."

    Foroohar then called on the U.S. and Europe to "put a price on carbon."

    The analyst follows a relatively new trend among the political left and globalists in seeking to justify the existence of price inflation as a means to an end; the “greater good” being the induction of Green New Deal-style legislation.

    1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

      Imagine if Marx was held culpable for the devestation his ideas wrought in the 20th century? Imagine if Foroohar is held culpable for his.

      1. Gaear Grimsrud   3 years ago

        I would add Fauci, Biden, Nuland and... well an exhaustive list would look like the page count of The Brothers Karamazov.

  43. Bill Godshall   3 years ago

    Some good news for 2nd Amendment supporters in PA
    https://triblive.com/news/pennsylvania/pennsylvania-gop-lawmakers-block-assault-style-gun-ban-for-those-under-21/

  44. Nardz   3 years ago

    https://twitter.com/Moms4Liberty/status/1539281580102926336?t=QCaj-sTUHSy6acxn7xbY1w&s=19

    “Instructed to view their humanity through the distortive lens of “white supremacy,” California’s teen girls are seeking refuge in puberty blockers, testosterone injections, and double mastectomies, while their parents are almost powerless to stop them.”

    [Link]

  45. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   3 years ago

    This sounds like what someone would write if they were trying to freak people out about violent pro-choice activists.

    ENB, your ability to compartmentalize is unmatched.

    Bravo.

  46. Cronut   3 years ago

    https://www.canadianmanufacturing.com/manufacturing/aspire-food-group-completes-production-of-manufacturing-facility-282031/#

    Canada opens its first bug-meat factory.

    1. Its_Not_Inevitable   3 years ago

      Where are the cricket rights groups? And where are the environmentalists? Surely these insects serve a higher purpose in the biosphere than to be eaten by evil humans.

      1. BestUsedCarSales   3 years ago

        I have actually seen articles basically arguing for pushing against insect farming and consumption as a means to limit suffering. It's just not big yet. If anti-natalism and the voluntary extinction movement manages to pick up more steam it will enter into play more.

    2. JimboJr   3 years ago

      Makes me very happy I have a bow, lots of arrows, and lots of deer around. Lots of venison will be consumed before I think about resorting to eating bugs.

      1. mtrueman   3 years ago

        "Lots of venison will be consumed before I think about resorting to eating bugs."

        I'm enjoying a tall glass of yeast shit as I write this.

  47. JeremyR   3 years ago

    I listen to baseball games using the MLB app and lately they have constantly been running ads for a podcast glamorizing the Weather Underground

    Left wing violence has pretty much always been accepted and considered fashionable. So what would the point of a hoax be?

    1. BestUsedCarSales   3 years ago

      Radical Chic is an evergreen essay.

    2. Mike Laursen   3 years ago

      Hmm, isn’t that targeted advertising? Somehow Google (or some ad server) must think you are personally interested in glorious stories of the Weather Underground. Did you mention them in front of your Alexa device?

    3. Hank Phillips   3 years ago

      Left wing does not mean communism--not to Trumpanzees. It now means anyone disinclined to lick the blacking off of Boss Trump's golf shoes, PLUS anyone unwilling to hunt, chase, capture and enslave pregnant women. Constant repetition of this by televangelists swinging a rosary cadaver back and forth made it possible for Trumpanzees in full Klan regalia to penetrate the Supreme Court while their anarcho-fascist clones smuggle each other into the LP the way anarcho-communists did before them.

      1. Cronut   3 years ago

        Where are they hunting, chasing, capturing, and enslaving pregnant women? Do you have to get a permit to hunt preggos? It doesn't sound very exciting. Pregnant women are fat and can't move fast. Like fishing with dynamite.

        Also, preggos would probably make terrible slaves.

        1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

          Hank's been confusing his Star Trek fanfiction with reality again. Just wait until he finds a Handmaid's Tale forum.

    4. mtrueman   3 years ago

      "Left wing violence has pretty much always been accepted and considered fashionable. So what would the point of a hoax be?"

      It's not really left wing. It's more eco anarcha feminist activism. They can be as savagely critical of Marxism as you are. Which you'd know if you went to source.

  48. Cronut   3 years ago

    Pro-abortion protestors are disgusting.

    https://nypost.com/2022/06/19/pro-choice-activists-protest-outside-judge-amy-coney-barretts-home/?utm_campaign=iphone_nyp&utm_source=twitter_app

    1. mtrueman   3 years ago

      Even worse, the peasants are revolting.

      1. Cronut   3 years ago

        You said it.

  49. XM   3 years ago

    I wonder what Reason's attitude would be if some Trumpers firebombed immigration advocacy centers and held illegal protests outside the homes of SC justices to intimidate them.

    If you have to ask why Mises took over the LP, you're probably out of touch. This rag is basically the Lincoln Project of the libertarian movement. You subject your own side with constant purity test, then play lame equivalency game when discussing leftist lunacy.

    How do writers envision a typical libertarian? Do they say "I can't work because of vaccine mandates and my guns can be taken away without due process, but YAY the big private companies and illegal aliens are safe"?

  50. MachineGunBodine   3 years ago

    ENB really is a total piece of shit.

    1. Mike Laursen   3 years ago

      Quite cogently argued.

      By the way, what did she do?

  51. JasonAZ   3 years ago

    Yatusabes & A Thinking Mind!!!

    Alright u2. Not sure how your discussion got sideways for you both today. Listen, you're both solid commenters around here in my book. How about a truce?

    Let's focus on what we can all agree on. This might be the worst trash ENB has ever written!

    1. JasonAZ   3 years ago

      Proverbs 19:11 ESV

      Good sense makes one slow to anger, and it is his glory to overlook an offense.

  52. Gaear Grimsrud   3 years ago

    Just to echo commenters above, this is really overall an all time low for Reason. Shameless leftist propaganda.

  53. Sheldonius Rex   3 years ago

    Please God let the pro-abortion terrorists be serious, and don't let them punk out at the last minute. Please please please God let this be real. Our society needs this.

  54. Vesicant   3 years ago

    >as opposed to being put out by a group trying to make pro-choice activists look bad

    Sure, as if anybody would need to do that. And as far as Jane's Revenge being a "first," apparently neither Levine nor 'reason' have ever heard of Antifa or BLM. Jane's Revenge is Antifa in a pink p*ssy hat.

  55. Truthfulness   3 years ago

    Elizabeth Nolan Brown is not a libertarian. Simple as that.

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