A Maine Couple Is Suing the State for the Right To Hunt on Sundays
The Parkers filed their lawsuit under Maine’s new ‘right-to-food’ constitutional amendment.
Maine's new "right-to-food" constitutional amendment is the subject of its first lawsuit. The suit was filed in April by two hunters in the state who argue the amendment provides ample basis to overturn a draconian statewide ban on Sunday hunting.
"The Sunday hunting ban is superseded by the Right to Food Amendment," wife-and-husband plaintiffs Virginia and Joel Parker argue in the lawsuit, which asks the court to overturn the ban.
Some homeowners in the state who allow hunters onto their property oppose the suit's goals. They're chafing at the prospect of allowing Sunday hunts on their land.
Maine's right-to-food amendment, adopted by voters last November (by a 61 percent to 39 percent vote), reads as follows:
All individuals have a natural, inherent and unalienable right to save and exchange seeds and the right to grow, raise, harvest, produce and consume the food of their own choosing for their own nourishment, sustenance, bodily health and well-being, as long as an individual does not commit trespassing, theft, poaching or other abuses of private property rights, public lands or natural resources in the harvesting, production or acquisition of food.
In their lawsuit, the Parkers point to language in the amendment that protects a person's "right to… harvest… food of their own choosing for their own nourishment."
Maine's ban on hunting on Sundays "is a religious and social construct that does not fit into any of the Amendment's exceptions, as it cannot be justified by the need to protect private property rights, public safety, or natural resources," the Parkers' lawsuit argues. The suit also calls the ban "a historical and religious anachronism."
The Parkers are right. Maine's Sunday hunting ban, on the books since 1883, has nothing to do with property rights, public lands, natural resources, or any other constitutional justification. Instead, as the suit alleges, the ban is evidence of Puritan-inspired "blue laws," which prohibit having too much fun on the day that early Christian colonists in New England held sacred. Though blue laws have largely been rescinded in Maine and other New England states over the years, Maine is remains one of just two states—Massachusetts being the other—with laws in place that prohibit hunting on Sundays.
The lawsuit challenging the ban is a surprise in some ways and largely predictable in others. As I explained last year, virtually everyone familiar with the proposed Maine amendment agreed its passage would likely "spur a host of court challenges," as people rely on its vague language to advocate for concrete rights. The amendment "will be defined over time by judges pressed to choose which hunting and food regulations are too onerous and which ones are not," the Bangor Daily News reported last month.
The fact the first suit was filed by hunters (rather than some agricultural interests) is a surprise. I'd have put money on either the state's unique food sovereignty act or foraging laws—or something tied to the state's vast seafood industry—being the subject of the first lawsuit filed seeking protection under the new amendment.
Another area that's likely to see its share of right-to-food-amendment lawsuits pertains to genetically modified seeds. As I detailed in 2016, when the Maine amendment was first proposed, language in it creating a right to save and exchange seeds is highly problematic.
"The issue with saving seeds arises when a farmer voluntarily signs a contract that says he won't [save or exchange seeds], as many seed contracts offered by GMO producers do," I explained. "The seed language therefore would make it difficult for Mainers to do business with GMO seed producers. And that may have been the point of the controversial language."
While lawsuits over GMO seeds will come—and I hope they ultimately cause the seed-related language of the constitutional amendment to be struck down, while the rest of the amendment is upheld—other suits seem more likely to seek to protect and expand food freedom in the state, just as the Parkers' suit does.
Over the past 100 years, Maine lawmakers have made dozens of unsuccessful attempts to rescind the state's ban on Sunday hunting. The Parkers' lawsuit could accomplish what generations of legislative efforts have failed to do. In that way, this lawsuit demonstrates how Maine's right-to-food amendment is already showing its potential to serve as a powerful new tool to protect and expand food freedom.
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It's fun, though also frustrating, to contemplate what the interactions of these various "right to" provisions will be vis-a-vis a well-ordered system of rights and liberties.
Also a fun fantasy to imagine a world where people would embrace "mind your own business" as a core value.
So you're saying that in Maine it is currently illegal to eat on Sunday?
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Somehow I feel like Tucker Carlson is to blame for this.
Nah. Tucker Carlson's too busy defending Putin's so-called "right" to hunt Ukrainians 24/7/365.
Lol, wut?
Yet you gargle mormon cum. Despite the fact the Mormons round kids like you up and stick them in camps and abusive institutions.
Don't you have widows to doxx? You antisemitic, ban-evading piece of shit.
Still lying, huh?
Never doxxed anyone. That dead pig’s family and church crave attention. They shut down streets for his corpse and the local news covered it.
Never been banned as far as I can tell.
We all saw the quote bigot.
What quote?
Ya know when assholes like you and ML lie about antisemitism it trivializes actual antisemitism. Many Mormons are antisemitic and I’ve spent my whole adult life standing up to them.
Fuck off asshole
Fuck off bigot.
Fuck off liar
*Sigh!* Yup.
I've learned that whether it's Tucker Carlson, George Will, Bill Nye, Sen. Paul Simon, or Matt Lesko, the bowtie is the symbol that says: "Something Ratched This Way Comes."
You’ll have to be more clear. ML the lying aspie incel has trouble understanding things because of his Asperger’s.
Seig heil, KKKar.
Yep, still lying. Please cite me being antisemitic or shut the fuck up you lying waste of life.
Well, to be a little bit fair to Tucker Carlson, I don't think he's saying that Putin has a "right" to hunt Ukrainians, only that we Americans shouldn't give a shit if he does.
Too bad you weren't around when he was hunting Crimeans. WW3 would be over by now.
I mean, should we?
At least the gay ones.
Well, sure, for a few reasons:
1. From a purely humanitarian perspective, there are people dying. This alone deserves our attention.
2. The principle of sovereignty deserves to be defended, we look like a bunch of hypocrites if we complain about violations of our own sovereignty while not trying to defend the sovereignty of others.
3. I thought we learned the lesson in the 1930s that looking the other way while an authoritarian leader invades neighboring countries only delays the inevitable.
The United States could have chosen to wage war on Japan and not on Germany. Even the war with Japan could have been avoided had US leaders actually wanted to.
What do you mean?
Libertarians for foreign interventionism!
More than 100000 Americans are dying from opioid overdoses a year alone, many times of the number of deaths in the Ukraine war. And if preventing deaths was our objective, we'd force a diplomatic settlement.
That's not how "sovereignty" works; each nation is responsible for defending its own sovereignty.
Furthermore, all we are doing is borrowing money we don't have and handing it to Ukraine; why not let Ukraine borrow the money themselves?
That's not what happened. American progressives didn't "look the other way", they actually liked and admired what Hitler and Mussolini were doing, until it became a political liability.
That's not what happened. American progressives didn't "look the other way", they actually liked and admired what Hitler and Mussolini were doing, until it became a political liability.
It gets worse for jeffy's case, the Nazis praised the works of US academics as inspiration for some of their policies.
That's not how "sovereignty" works; each nation is responsible for defending its own sovereignty.
Of course as a practical matter each nation is principally responsible for defending its own sovereignty. But it behooves the US, as a major world power, to defend the *principle* of sovereignty. If we don't, who will?
That's not what happened. American progressives didn't "look the other way", they actually liked and admired what Hitler and Mussolini were doing, until it became a political liability.
Whatever man, you like to blame everything bad on progressives. The point is, a lot of people in this country, not just progressives, did not give a damn about Nazi Germany's pre-WW2 expansionism in Europe, and the lesson that we *should have* learned, IMO, is that appeasing expansionist dictators only delays the inevitable. Why doesn't such a lesson apply here?
What do you think the 'principle of sovereignty' is and why does it apply to random nation states but not to other groups of people?
I mean, we sure as shit did not defend the 'principle of sovereignty' during the Revolutionary and Civil Wars.
We didn't defend it when we snatched Noriega from Panama.
We didn't defend it when we ousted Hussein and Qadaffi.
Same with Korea. Or how about defending China's sovereignty by preventing them from gaining control of a breakaway province?
Why would we be bound to defend China's sovereignty over the Uighur?
More than 100000 Americans are dying from opioid overdoses a year alone, many times of the number of deaths in the Ukraine war. And if preventing deaths was our objective, we'd force a diplomatic settlement.
While tragic, I would venture that none ofcthose Americans are getting their opioids administered from bullets. They are doing it to themselves.
As for "forcing a diplomatic settlement," what do you think the Ukrainians are trying to do by defending their own lives?
That's not how "sovereignty" works; each nation is responsible for defending its own sovereignty.
Evidently, Putin thinks it is his neighbor's responsibility to provide for his "security" by not building up arms or joining NATO, all sovereign decisions of those nations.
Look, you're out of your depth. Stick with your Subsidiarity Garden Party.
1. I’ll grant you from a standpoint of “it sucks that you’re having to endure this and I hope a peaceful resolution can be obtained quickly.”, sure I get that.
2. You can’t really defend someone else’s sovereignty, they have to want it for themselves. Plus this leads to shit like Iraq 2: Electric Bugaloo.
3. We didn’t really learn anything from the 1930’s except to make sure we had the biggest dick to swing around. And then we’ve spent the last 40 years being shit on for being the world police while everyone has enjoyed their peace and prosperity (not that I think we should be world police, but it’s kinda fucked up to expect us to be and then be angry about us actually doing it). Not to mention that if we really felt the need to intervene in every border dispute and evil actor out there, we’d be involved in even MORE military adventurism then we are now.
2. You can’t really defend someone else’s sovereignty, they have to want it for themselves. Plus this leads to shit like Iraq 2: Electric Bugaloo.
See above. Defending sovereignty as a practical matter, vs. defending the principle of sovereignty, are two different things.
Not to mention that if we really felt the need to intervene in every border dispute and evil actor out there, we’d be involved in even MORE military adventurism then we are now.
Again this does not distinguish between the practicalities vs. the principle of what constitutes "giving a shit about Ukraine". If we can agree that appeasing dictators invading their neighbors doesn't work and shouldn't be pursued as a legitimate foreign policy, then what remains is the practical matter of how best to oppose such dictators. And opposition to an expansionist dictator does not necessarily have to mean direct military intervention. What the US is doing now, is sending military aid to Ukraine, as well as imposing sanctions on Russia, no direct military involvement in the conflict, and even that is too much for the likes of Tucker Carlson and his allies.
You can only defend the principle of sovereignty with pretty words. Which is basically just virtue signaling.
And did you really just try to make a case for hosing taxpayers for foreign aid and literal acts of war?
1. From a purely humanitarian perspective - get off your ass, spend your money, go help those people. Its always 'we we we must' with you. Never 'I will'. There are 8 billion people in the world, at least 4 billion of them are oppressed in some way. Yet you sit here doing nothing beyond demanding that *someone else* be forced to do what you want them to do.
2. The core principle of sovereignty is that if you can not defend your own sovereignty then you don't have any. If Ukraine is dependent on the US to 'protect' it, then its not sovereign anymore - its a US protectorate.
3. Yet we looked the other way when so many other authoritarian leaders invaded other countries in the years since I don't know how you could possibly think we learned any 'lesson'.
And that's the correct attitude to have.
All others leads towards bombing people into freedom.
There are miles and miles between the two extreme positions of "I don't give a shit about Ukraine" and "Let's bomb Russia into freedom".
If you feel so compelled, Zelinsky is looking for volunteers.
Jeffy’s too fat to join up.
R Mac’s a liar
No he admitted he was fat when I asked him bigot.
Once again there is a world of difference between "do nothing" and "grab a rifle and shoot Russians". Why is this so difficult to understand?
If something isn't worth doing, don't bother, it's just an exercise in futility.
When are you going to pick up that rifle?
Its not hard to understand. But what are you doing, on that spectrum, between 'do nothing' and 'shoot Russians'?
Because, from where I'm sitting, it looks like you're right there at the 'do nothing' side of the spectrum.
That's even worse. The only "Great Replacement" he should fear is being replaced by someone with a conscience.
a draconian statewide ban on Sunday hunting."
I can think of a couple different ways to describe this ban - draconian is not one of them. Get a grip.
Well, if you can't hunt on a Sunday, you also have no right to field dress, cook, and eat your kill on a Sunday either.
Nor do you have a right to purchase the gun, camouflage, and camping gear for the purpose either and the merchant could be held liable for selling it if they have an inkling of idea that you're doing it. Hey! Texas is doing it with abortions and gun control freaks have wanted to do vicarious liability with gun manufacturers for decades.
And if they catch you in flagrante delicto with the rifle in your hand, the officer can claim you were aiming it at him and kill you.
So, yeah, "draconian" sounds just right.
None of that follows.
All of it follows if the Blue Noses take it seriously.
So you're saying that in Maine it is currently illegal to eat on Sunday?
If you killed, dressed, and cooked it afield on Sunday, yes. And you should know the Game Warden would ask if you were caught.
Only the hunting is illegal. None of the rest of it is. So I don't get what you're saying. Like, if shopping on Sunday was illegal then I couldn't make dinner on Sunday for some reason?
If your receipt In the case of hunting, it would be the case if you killed, field dressed, cooked, and ate the kill on the same day.
Also, cooking was considered 'work' by the Biblical laws which inspired the Blue Noses, so you'd have to cook the day before to avoid the penalty for Sabbath-breakers.
Except field dressing, cooking, and eating are not hunting.
>Also, cooking was considered 'work' by the Biblical laws which inspired the Blue Noses, so you'd have to cook the day before to avoid the penalty for Sabbath-breakers.
Which still isn't illegal.
It's the "fruit of the forbidden tree" doctrine. If the act is illegal, the results of the act follow and the authorities can seize it. It's how asset forfeiture works.
I meant to add, if the receipt of your purchase indicated you bought on Sunday (assuming a Sabbath-breaking seller would give a receipt, not wise,) then you couldn't take the purchase home to cook it if you were caught. It's all of a single piece.
"Some homeowners in the state who allow hunters onto their property oppose the suit's goals. They're chafing at the prospect of allowing Sunday hunts on their land."
Let's help them out - all stores will only be open one day a week. Get all your shopping done then - that way the owners and employees can just work one long day and have the rest of the week off.
This statement confuses me. I’m sure they can still prohibit hunting on their own property whenever they want.
Yeah, either this is not a complete or accurate statement of what these owners said, or they are simple retards that don't understand (or want) the distinction of private control vs. state control.
Perhwlaps the State could clear up matters and call it The Right to Pursuit of Food Act.
Best yet, just make an act that says the Individual has the Right to Life, Liberty, Property, and Pursuit of Happiness, compatible with the Right of other Individuals to the same.
Perhaps, I need a begger pad to spell right with my big fingers. 🙂
Some other possible explanations (really no way to tell from one sentence)
(1) They may have granted long term hunting leases allowing entry on any legal hunting day, assuming they'd always have Sundays to do maintenance or enjoy the land themselves.
(2) They may be even more suspicious of state power than you, and realize that many lawmakers are willing to go straight from "prohibited" to "mandatory" skipping over any other options.
Back when there was a public debate about concealed carry at Whataburger, it was sad to see that only a fraction of commenters thought it should be Whataburger's choice as a matter of principle.
I suspect the only reason most people embrace (or tolerate) government is the desire to fuck with others. Support for individual autonomy is NOT a common human value.
In Maine, unless there is a No Trespassing sign posted every 100 feet, people are allowed to freely walk upon private land without permission from the land owner.
Puzzles me too. Surely if they currently can "allow" hunters on their land, they can just as easily disallow hunters on Sundays.
Also puzzling to just drop that short paragraph with no further comment. Smells like an editing error.
Surely? Probably, but no telling what future legislatures or courts might do.
Tell me which of the following steps is unprecedented:
1. If you open your land for hunting leases, it is a public accommodation and the right to exclude others is severely limited.
2. The state can order public accommodations not to impose their religious beliefs on customers.
3. While the state can't force you to work on Sunday, allowing hunters to use your land is not work.
PS Of course I think Maine should get rid of the ban. Just speculating why some landowners might feel otherwise.
As I understand, most hunting leases are one-off arrangements.
As for any commercial operations, almost all establishments run limited hours of some type, including many that close Saturday and/or Sunday.
Odd, I've seen plenty of leases that are yearly or longer, even know guys who talk about "their" hunting lease the same way they talk about their cabin or condo - something they hold long term.
Just to be clear, I expect the landowners will be able to decide whether to allow hunting on Sunday and haven't seen anything to the contrary. My point was, there is no guarantee for the future. It's not like they have a right to close on Sunday. They should, but they don't.
Imagine a rental house owner who put in a lease condition that tenants must not violate the Sabbath on the premises, meaning no housecleaning or whatever. The renter challenges the restriction. It seems quite plausible that the renter could win, depending on where it happens.
By one-off he meant one person (or one group).
I am certain leases can establish hours, such as no hunting at night. I'm also certain that wanting peace and quiet on the religious day of choice would pass muster.
Scare stories about what government might do, or is even likely to do, have nothing to do with the legal aspects of controlling current hunting days and hours.
I'm sure they can but my bet would be that at present they are not. I can see not wanting to go through the hassle of a contract dispute because the state changed the rules the contract assumed so you didn't rewrite state law into the contract. With the entitlement of some people these days I could see that as a true nightmare.
They don't want it legal because then others will support Sunday hunts and they will have to do so to remain competitive or lose business.
Exact same reasoning these New England Bluenose use to oppose Sunday opening of liquor stores.
There is no competition here. The program opens their land for public use and their compensation is based on availability, not on how many people hunt their land. The issue is that owners want to have one day a week where they can go out and not have to worry about skunking a hunter or walking into someone’s line of fire.
Certain Current Use designations in Maine provide that the land is open for public recreation.
Right? What the fuck is this even supposed to mean?
"Well the state said it's not illegal for people to hunt, with a permit, and permission, on Sunday, anymore, so now I'm going to be forced to let people tromp all over the garden all week!"
They will feel that they have to - as other businesses might do so and so they'll have to do so to remain competitive. Its a form of cartelization. In this case they've all been forced to take Sunday off.
Remove that and then some will allow hunting on Sundays and others will feel pressure to follow suit - and they want to use the violent power of the state to prevent that.
Same thing happened - using the same excuses - when NE states removed some 'don't sell alcohol on Sunday' laws. Liquor stores were up in arms about it because then they would 'have to' open on Sunday.
"Though blue laws have largely been rescinded in Maine and other New England states over the years, Maine is remains one of just two states—Massachusetts being the other—with laws in place that prohibit hunting on Sundays."
But I bet that most people in Massachusetts view the Sunday hunting ban as just a start.
Start? Hell, they still have Goddamn Anti-Blasphemy laws on their law books.
Only now the transgressors take gender terms in vain.
Once a Puritan, always a Puritan.
"Transgressors?"..."gender?"...I see what you did there... 🙂
"Now some folks say that fishin' on Sunday's q sin!
If a fish bites my line on a Sunday I'm gonna reel him on in!
Believe I'll take him on home, fry him up good and havexa ball!
'Cause I don't see nothin' wrong with fishin' on Sunday at all!"
Fishin'--Elvin Bishop
https://youtu.be/qXxmReXq1B0
(Complete with methodolgy and technical terms of the craft. Trigger warning for Fundakentalist Christians: Impiety throughout. Trigger Warning for Misek: Lying is involved. Trigger warning for Rad-Fems: Sexist houshold roles.)
Or nirvana ain't it a shame
Sounds like the two songs are antipodes, with Elvin's Bishop's song as the Libertarian one and Kurt Cocaine's song as the Authoritarian one.
Last year, PA legislators voted to end our century plus old theocratic hunting ban on Sundays.
When I grew up in the 1960s, I remember the criticism by some town residents when the first retailer opened on Sundays (a convenience store). Neighbors used to also complain if/when somebody had the audacity to mow their lawn on a Sunday (as the noise violated their religious holiday).
Nobody seems to remember when Christian theocrats imposed hundreds of nonsensical laws/bans that violated basic individual freedoms.
But the theocrats are returning to control the GOP with their abortion bans, renewing their War on Illegal Drugs, and blaming China/Mexico for America's fentanyl epidemic.
Fret not. I remember just thirty and even 20 years ago how there were always "dry" Theocrats that fought tooth-and-nail against even a referndum to allow alcohol sales in towns. And the newspapers would fill with letters claiming all kinds of Apocalyptic shit would come to town as a result. And they would always cite Biblical passages that "Wine is a mocker" and warning against "strong drink."
Some people to this day post signs in their yards that say "Vote The Bible" during Elections. The desire for Theocratic tyranny has always been lurking just below the surface, waiting to emerge. Now may be it's chance.
Theocrats that fought tooth-and-nail against even a referndum to allow alcohol sales in towns.
Suffragettes, not theocrats.
Jesus's first miracle was creating booze for a party, wine is used in the Christian Eucharist ritual, and everyone from Trappist monks to Puritans and the pilgrims brewed beer.
Like every other bad idea, prohibition came from Progressives.
https://amazingwomeninhistory.com/womens-suffrage-and-temperance-movement/
Tru dat. With a lot of crossover with evangelicals. Same with the WOD.
Both Suffragettes and Theocrats.
And if you ask The Southern Baptists and Pentecostals, they'll tell you the wine in the story was grape juice, never mind that there was no refrigeration at the time to maintain grape juice unfermented.
I'm telling ya, none of this mystical nonsense is harmless.
Southern Baptists and Pentecostals ran stills during prohibition and sold bottles at tent revivals. Just like everyone else, some modern versions try to reconcile their current beliefs about booze with their cultural and religious touchstones, but it isn't really a religious stance and even they know that despite their pretense.
The only actual religion of alcohol prohibition is Islam.
As someone who has lived all my life in the South, I know that is not right.
The 19th Amendment was a bad idea from the start.
Why do you think only men should have the right to vote?
"Nobody seems to remember when Christian theocrats imposed hundreds of nonsensical laws/bans that violated basic individual freedoms."
Progressives remember. Well maybe they don't, in a logically consistent way. But they sure have embraced the approach.
Progressive (Collective) Farm remembers...
https://twitter.com/pepesgrandma/status/1530541300348604423?t=fR2IgRLty_z9tqiBl0ujqQ&s=19
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FBI Documents Reveal US May Have Funded Charlottesville Rioters Through Ukrainian Neo-Nazi Group — Documents Show Ties Between Azov Battalion, US Rioters
This is a do over
Jan 2022 - Since 2015, CIA has trained Ukrainian paramilitaries to take central role if Russia invades
One Congress bill with hundreds of millions of $$ for Ukraine was modified to allow flow to the country’s resident neo-Nazi militia, the Azov Regiment
A FBI 26 page affidavit asserted that Azov is believed to have participated in training people involved in Charlottesville
And the same Azov trained people attacked protestors at Trump rallys.
And one is also a Patriot Front media person.
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Yeah but I think we all know the biggest threat we face is that TV guy Tucker Carlson.
Wait til he hears about this story. He’s sure to pounce!
Wouldn't it matter which religion the deer are?
Some of them may not want to be shot on Saturdays intead.
Deer prefer the religion where people never shoot or eat deer.
Well, then, they'd better stay the fuck out of my flower beds.
They also love any plant that humans grow.
Ahh, reminds me of Reason in the old days. When stories like this would really get the libertarians hot under the collar.
Nobody read Reason back then. Well I did but you had to pay for a subscription and actually write a letter to the editor to comment. And sign your real name or at least something that looks like a real name. These days it's all free and you can advocate for the mass murder of Mormons and shit under a screen name no one can penetrate. Except federal prosecutors with a subpoena. Pretty good deal overall but still, nobody reads Reason. Except for the comics.
Seems to me that the proper response here is:
1. There should not be any government ban on any otherwise unobjectionable commercial activity on any specific day of the week, Sunday or otherwise.
2. It ought to be up to individual property owners to decide whether their own property may be used for any otherwise unobjectionable purpose, at any time, hunting or otherwise.
3. This "right to food" in Maine, as I read it, doesn't preclude either of these two positions - sure, if you want to interpret it to state that a ban on hunting on Saturday is now unconstitutional, that's fine, but it also doesn't mandate that any particular hunter is entitled to use any particular piece of property for hunting on Sunday, since it would be trespassing and/or theft if it occurred against the wishes of the property owner, which is forbidden by the amendment itself.
Does number 2 include cake baking?
Sure, in principle.
But in my view, trying to undo anti-discrimination laws is kinda like trying to privatize the roads: while it's the correct purist libertarian position, it's not worth our time to push something that makes us look like kooks and bigots, and our time would be better spent combating any of the other thousands of unlibertarian abuses out there which are far more indefensible, and we stand a better chance of persuading others to adopt our point of view on them.
Egalitarian over libertarian, I see.
So, get rid of the hunting ban - but bake the fucking cake bigot!
Does the "right to food" law allows someone to steal or loot groceries stores? How about cannibals?
The right of the people to get tits (excuse the expression) up high on marijuana?!? Hmmm… don’t know how I feel about that one as a gay Black man who is GOP Proud. That’s a gray area. Of course, the right of an 18-yo maniac to purchase an assault weapon… that’s a definite yes!
Still terrible at this shrike. How have you gotten no better?
Probably because he’s a moron.
Who would have predicted this?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/may/27/canada-supreme-court-life-without-parole-cruel-unconstitutional
Turns out sentences in Canada are term policies not whole life.
O/T: Well, here's more news about Salvador Ramos. Turns out, he was a violent misogynistic asshole. Quelle surprise.
https://nypost.com/2022/05/28/texas-school-shooter-salvador-ramos-was-violent-towards-women/
I wonder whether that has something to do with growing up with a drug addicted, abusive single mother and with being educated for more than a dozen years in a school system run by toxic, leftist women.
Thanks to the Supreme court you can always ban people from worshipping in church on Sundays
https://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2020/05/30/Supreme-Court-upholds-Californias-limits-on-churches-amid-pandemic/8971590840119/
That’s better. You see this is the type of article that should be at reason.com— the leading website of libertarian and GOP thought (but I repeat myself here, of course). The right of weirdoes to Hunt on Sunday shall not be infringed. The right of women to have a baby when the want… that right involves the interests of people with a smelly vag. As a gay Black man who is GOP Proud like Caitlin and Milo I can tell you categorically that ideas of limited government don’t cover smelly vages. Ewww… gross!
Goddamn you are so horrible at this.
I haven't been here for a while. Did SQRLZY get a new handle?
I fail to see the problem with allowing hunting on Sunday. So landowners can and likely will put signs up saying "No Hunting Allowed on Sunday". Maybe it will be a series of boxes so they're free to select Sunday and Wednesday when hunting isn't allowed. I figure their biggest complaint is that they'll actually have to get off their duffs, put up signs, and check them periodically to ensure they're legible.
Reading through these comments it leads me to believe very few respondents live in Maine. While the origins of the ban are deeply rooted is puritanical ideals the ban on Sunday hunting allows hikers, and other outdoor enthusiasts at least one day a week where they can rome without worrying of being shot at. There is more at play here than just a blue law and this suit is a farce.
Yeah, no hunters AND hikers here in Michigan. Whatever will people in Maine do!?
Given the population of the entire state of Maine (~31,000 sq. mi. land area) is similar to Bronx, NY (~42 sq. mi. land area) it leads me to believe very few people live in Maine.
People who own private property should be free to allow or ban anyone on any particular day for any particular reason. It doesn't matter if it's hunters or people with ATVs or anyone else. Nothing in the lawsuit or Right to Food Amendment changes that.
I am just going to remind any further commenters that no in Maine cares about anything in NY, or any other state. Maine has a long history of placing people in 2 distinct categories, "Mainer" or " From Away". Mainer isn't a birthright and from away isn't a certainty, it's about your attitude, do you respect Maine being its own independent state, or do you want it to be like somewhere else.
That's the lame excuse people use to defend the Sunday hunting ban here in Maine. It's a crock of shit.
O/T: "It was 3:15 on the morning of June 26, 1980, and Congressman Bob Livingston was extraordinarily drunk, hiding in the congressional gym beneath the Rayburn House Office Building, petrified that a team of highly trained right-wing homosexual assassins working on behalf of Ronald Reagan was about to kill him."
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2022/05/27/gay-history-paranoia-conspiracy-reagan-kirchick-excerpt-00035193
(it gets better)
“ right-wing homosexual assassins”
What the? I can’t. Huh?
O/T: "Senegal President sacks health minister after hospital fire that killed eleven babies"
https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/27/africa/senegal-health-minister-sacked-intl/index.html
So apparently, in Senegal, there was a hospital fire and 11 babies died. Absolutely tragic. And this was also not the only problem with the nation's hospitals. Like with most countries, the health care system in Senegal is heavily socialized. So when this latest fire happened, it was the last straw and the health minister was fired.
This story is actually related to the article yesterday about the completely incompetent FDA which can't even sort mail in the mailroom correctly. In the case of Senegal, and actually also in a lot of nations with parliamentary-style systems, MPs quite often get fired or resign when faced with scandal or problematic actions. In Britain, actually, as I understand it, it is customary after an election, that if the ruling party loses the majority, that the leader of the party resigns completely from Parliament. This is likely why we don't see the same people in the same positions of power over and over again in Britain, as we do in this country (e.g., Pelosi, McConnell).
The point is, in these parliamentary-type systems, there is much greater accountability of the MPs when they fuck up. That tends not to happen here. When some scandal breaks, there's "damage control", there's apologies, there's promises to do better, MAYBE some low-level flunkie is fired, but that's about it. Only RARELY are any of the political bosses fired. Why is that? Why can other nations hold their elected leaders accountable, but we can't?
Now I have no idea if this Senegalese minister actually was responsible in any way for the hospital fire, he is probably just the fall guy. But at least there is SOME level of tangible admission from the government that "we fucked up, we will prove it to you by firing the guy in charge of the department that fucked up". Why can't that type of thing happen here?
Your problem is you seem to want the government to be in control.
Perhaps you could actually address the issue I raised above?
In which Jeff admits signaling virtuously is more important than actual accountability.
No, I want actual accountability, not mere virtue signaling. But in the case of our government, we don't even get that! We get nothing. Why is that?
Because they hate any form of accountability.
Thus, other countries have to do something, otherwise they end up looking like us.
Hey, let’s put them in charge of determining who’s adult enough to vote, that’ll increase accountability!
Biden continues to blatany lie about j6. From his commencement speech.
A mob of insurrectionists stormed the Capitol, the very citadel of democracy. Imagine what you’d be thinking today if you had heard this morning before you got here that a group of a thousand people broke down the doors of the parliament of Great Britain, killed two police officers, smashed and ransacked the office of members of the British Parliament or any other, what would you think? What would you think?
Fuck Joe Brandon.
We will never forget the horrors of boots on the desk.
O/T: Good news people! We're headed merely for a "garden-variety recession", and not the super-dangerous "balance-sheet recession"!
https://fortune.com/2022/05/28/recession-predictions-not-great-financial-crisis-experts-say/
Phew, for a moment there I was worried!
And inflation is transitory.
https://twitter.com/AuronMacintyre/status/1530731507228233728?t=dEhenzVHlPcNIGgo6Mv3YA&s=19
“I can’t believe creating a globally interdependent supply chain and then playing fast and loose with necon foreign policy has consequences”
If you make the empire dependent on foreign production in basically every conceivable arena then any disruption can be answered with an invasion in the name of the global order
There should be no hunting on Sundays in Maine.
That's when the deer have their weekly Elks Club meeting.
While these laws originally began as an imposition of religious will, it's become something a bit more more within these states.
As a hunter in VA, losing only one of my two "free" hunting days to this law is a pain. An obsolete regulation that makes hunting much less accessible to working-class individuals. Especially during limited seasons on large game such as Bear, or Deer.
However, it still does have value. A lot of hunting is not done on private lands, but rather Public lands that are shared with horseback riders, hikers, families, nature enthusiasts... Many of whom will relegate their activities to Sundays, to avoid the "orange army" during certain seasons.
While I can totally understand canceling this ban for Private lands, there may still be merit in keeping some controls on public lands, where we need to find ways to share our public resources. Hunters have a bad enough P.R. problem that it may be worth our while not alienating ourselves against those "fence sitters," in society who aren't calling for the abolition of all hunting, or meat consumption.
Deer hunting is the most popular season in Maine. If hikers and other non-hunters need a "day free from orange," for the month of November, how about we give them Mondays?