Don't Criminalize Election Lies
The damage caused by election lies is not worth abandoning free speech traditions.

On the first anniversary of the January 6 riot at the U.S. Capitol, Washington Gov. Jay Inslee announced legislation that would make lying about election results a crime in the Evergreen State.
Inslee, a Democrat, said the bill is necessary to protect democracy from "an ongoing coup attempt" fueled by former President Donald Trump's false claims about the 2020 presidential election. "The defeated president as recently as an hour ago is yelling fire in the crowded theater of democracy," Inslee said in January, invoking every censor's favorite analogy.
Trump's mendacity continues to have a negative impact on our political system. Polls indicate that many of his supporters still believe the election was "stolen" by Democrats. But Inslee's bill would create an even bigger problem: a government empowered to punish opposition candidates for political speech.
The legislation would make it a gross misdemeanor for candidates or elected officials to "knowingly, recklessly, or maliciously" make false statements about election results. Violators would face up to a year in jail, a maximum $5,000 fine, or both. They also could be removed from office upon conviction.
To violate the law, statements must be intended to "incite or produce imminent lawless action" and have that effect; be made for the purpose of undermining "the election process or election results"; or falsely claim entitlement to an office after legal challenges have been resolved and the results have been certified.
That first criterion is based on a test that the Supreme Court established in the 1969 case Brandenburg v. Ohio, which said speech is not protected by the First Amendment when it is "directed" at inciting "imminent lawless action" and "likely" to have that result. The other criteria, however, aim to protect the reputation of government agencies, a more dubious constitutional rationale. In the 1964 case New York Times v. Sullivan, the U.S. Supreme Court, quoting the Illinois Supreme Court, noted that "no court of last resort in this country has ever held, or even suggested, that prosecutions for libel on government have any place in the American system of jurisprudence."
The bill contradicts an important free speech principle: It's not the government's job to police the veracity of political statements. The potential chilling effect of such a law is easy to envision. Imagine a genuinely disputed election where the party in power can prosecute the other side for complaining too much.
Even if Inslee's proposed bill survived constitutional scrutiny, the damage caused by election lies is not worth abandoning free speech traditions. A bad lie is easier to fight than a bad law.
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"The bill contradicts an important free speech principle: It's not the government's job to police the veracity of political statements. "
This underscores a deeper problem :
Having the state determine whether a person is lying or simply unknowingly making a false statement - particularly when based only on what people statistically consider / accepts as the "truth".
What about misinformation? Surely people can and should be punished for distributing misinformation.
Good idea. The FBI should shut down wingnut.com sites that promote anti-Biden misinformation like "inflation is a real issue."
#DefendBidenAtAllCosts
You mean like "You can keep your doctor."?
Or that the election was secure.
or Trump colluded with Russia ..........
But as Reason contributor Noah Berlatsky has explained, sometimes speech is so reprehensible that banning it becomes necessary. And that's certainly the case with attempting to delegitimize American democracy just because you're a sore loser who can't get over an election defeat. In fact, the 2020 election was literally the most secure ever.
The 2016 election on the other hand? Totally fraudulent. Hacked by Russia to install a Kremlin asset in the White House. Oh, and whatever year strong beautiful Black woman Stacey Abrams was cheated out of the GA governorship. That election was illegitimate as well. I also have my suspicions about Youngkin in VA.
#ElectionsAreOnlyLegitimateWhenDemocratsWin
It looks like Noah Berlatsky hasn't published in Reason since he wrote this full on anti-free-speech-woke NBC news article 5 years ago. So at least there's that.
And this article is making exactly the opposite argument...on Reason.
This has to be a staff account.
Because I'm making a legitimate point defending Reason? Nope.
Just someone that doesn't understand why so many commenters that spend so much time here, hate it so much.
Because the site used to be better and there are still good comments.
Makes sense. I appreciate the comments too, such as the one I originally posted on as I can tell it came from someone that is more researched than me on this topic and gave me a 2nd opinion even if I don't agree.
Still, I will defend Reason at least sometimes since I haven't found a better source for news spun my way. And don't see the point of criticizing Reason for not supporting a position that the article is expounding.
OBL is a parody, and the post above is directed in part at commentator Palin’s Buttplug, who argued for months that inflation wasn’t real.
Yes, I understand OBL is a parody although I though the primary target was Reason, not Buttplug.
Cry more.
Huh?
Oh wait, that wasn't directed at my comment... nevermind
It might as well have been directed at you.
No it was.
And just how can you say that the 2020 elections were the “most secure” ever? There was no extensive investigation into legitimate concerns by literally thousands of poll workers. All talk about possible concerns was quickly shut down, with no investigation by any government or large media organization. Contrast this with the endless investigations into so-called Russia “collusion” by Trump in the 2016 election, which was to be a totally bogus and included illegal surveillance by the government on Trump and his campaign.
the truth be rayciss ..... unless its the democrats "truth" ....
The panis-envy is strong in this little one.
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Apparently Democrats like Inslee live in homes without mirrors and have never heard of George Orwell's classic description of the world they wish to create.
Let's start with the basics: when someone is rude to us, we should focus on dealing with that person - not trying to deter other people from doing the same in future.
Can't fix stupid.
Agreed, lying about an election should not be a punishable offense. However, like many typical legal actions one can take in committing a crime, lying in service of a coup should be and already is a crime.
Lock him up!
Dumb even for you Joe.
Is it a lie if they really believe it?
sarcasmic, there is plenty of evidence that he didn't believe it, starting with the fact that he claimed it would be rigged before the election if he lost. That's con-man talk. He was also told by several of his own expert team members that he lost and no one in authority who was not a lackey told him he won.
In any case, he tried to overturn the election, a crime whether he believed he won or not.
Lock him up,
His acolytes believe it.
Yes, some do, but the most informed did not then or now and they told him that.
So what?
Vice President Joe Biden presided over a joint session of Congress Friday, where members officially tallied electoral votes from the 2016 presidential election. President-elect Donald Trump’s 304 electoral votes weren’t counted without incident, however. During the course of the certification, House Democrats tried to object to electoral votes from multiples states, with Biden gaveling them down for failure to follow the rules.
Objections to the votes needed to be in writing and signed by both a member of the House and a member of the Senate. Every House member who rose to object did so without a senator’s signature.
1:09 P.M. ET: Rep. Jim McGovern of Massachusetts rose to object to the certificate from Alabama.
“The electors were not lawfully certified, especially given the confirmed and illegal activities engaged by the government of Russia,” McGovern said.
Biden denied McGovern on the grounds that he didn’t have a senator’s signature on his written objection.
1:14 P.M.: Rep. Jamie Raskin of Maryland rose to object to 10 of Florida’s 29 electoral votes.
“They violated Florida’s prohibition against dual office holders,” Raskin said.
Again, despite the fact that Raskin pointed out that he had his objection in writing, he failed to get a senator’s signature.
1:15 P.M.: No sooner had the Florida question been settled than its neighbor to the north was the subject of another objection, when Washington’s Rep. Pramila Jayapal objected to Georgia’s vote certificate.
“It is over,” Biden told the congresswoman.
1:21 P.M.: Rep. Barbara Lee of California brought up voting machines and Russian hacking when she objected following the counting of Michigan’s votes.
“People are horrified by the overwhelming evidence of Russian interference in our election,” Lee said.
Once again, her objection was denied for the lack of a senator’s signature. They also turned off her microphone.
1:23 P.M.: After New York’s tally was read, Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee of Texas stood up to object.
“I object on the massive voter suppression that included –” Jackson Lee began.
“The debate is not in order,” Biden interrupted. Again, the congresswoman lacked a senator’s signature.
1:28 P.M.: Arizona’s Rep. Raul Grijalva rose to object after North Carolina’s tally. He tried to object on violations of the Voting Rights Act, but Biden shut him down.
As you may have guessed, he didn’t have the signature of a senator.
Once he gave up, Jackson Lee tagged him out and tried to object to the votes herself. They cut off her microphone, too.
“There is no debate. There is no debate. There is no debate,” a visibly agitated Biden said as he gaveled.
1:31 PM: Jackson Lee made another appearance minutes later after South Carolina’s certification.
“There is no debate in the joint session,” Biden said, shutting her down once more.
1:36 PM: Biden must have thought, after five minutes of peace and getting through the state of West Virginia, that the House members might observe the rules. Lee wasn’t even able to make it through her objection before Biden said, “There is no debate.”
They cut off her microphone again.
1:37 PM: Wisconsin’s votes had been read. With just Wyoming to go, the finish line was in reach.
Jackson Lee once again tried to make an objection on the grounds of Russian interference in the election.
“The objection cannot be received,” Biden said.
1:38 PM: The final state’s votes had been read. Then entered California Rep. Maxine Waters.
Taking a play from her own book – she objected to the certification of George W. Bush’s 2000 election – Waters admitted that she didn’t have a senator’s signature on her objection.
“I wish to ask: Is there one United States senator who will join me in this letter of objection?” Waters asked. Through House Speaker Paul Ryan’s chuckle and boos from the rest of the chamber, it was clear that there was not.
1:40 PM: The states were counted, but three protestors started yelling from the visitors’ gallery of the chamber. At least one of them was reciting the Constitution as he was taken away by security.
Biden did not look thrilled.
But at the end of the day, despite the objections, Trump’s election was certified by Congress.
I was told this sort of thing was insurrection
and yet ........... your party's prosecutors have NOT charged a single person with such .......... d'oh
Like Kevin Clinesmith was locked up?
was never going to happen..........he was working for hillbillie ......... and America knows what that means ....... free ride for democrooks
Well, there were some pretty clear signs that shenanigans were afoot. In several states, they used Covid as an excuse to make changes to the voting process. Illegal changes. Months before the election, people watching the new rules wrote about them, as obvious attempts to steal the election. If I knew about it, surely it was common knowledge among people actually in politics.
Then, of course, there was election night. I suppose some people here are young enough that they think the counting is supposed to stop late in the evening with one candidate well ahead, then open again in the morning with the favored candidate having managed a miraculous comeback.
These are strange times. People have been cheating at elections for centuries. They typical strategy for getting away with it is to not be caught. In 2020, the strategy was changed to just insisting that the election fraud is impossible, and anyone with questions is a Nazi. And nobody yelled "Nazi" louder than the people who had just spent four years screeching that the 2016 election was stolen.
I found a joke told by a comedian in 1921 - "My grandfather voted Republican all his life. Since he died he votes Democrat."
Looks like that comic would go to jail this century.
According to the article the law would only apply to "candidates or elected officials."
Well, if it only applies to *those* people…
Just clarifying what the law actually says, being that the usual suspects will claim that talking about election fraud at the dinner table is criminalized by the law.
I'm just saying the law is not really threat to free speech if it only applies to politicians.
You're talking about James Comey, right?
I have to agree. Inslee should be locked up. He lied to implement the coup that is, even now, destroying this nation with it's flailing and illegitimacy.
Washington state, fortifying elections since, at least, 2004.
The election was held on November 2, 2004, with the initial count showing Gregoire trailing Rossi by 261 votes. A legally mandated machine recount reduced that lead to only 42 votes, then a hand count requested and funded by the state's Democratic Party gave Gregoire a 10-vote lead. Following a State Supreme Court ruling that allowed several hundred ballots from King County to be included, her lead further increased to 130 votes
The lie about 2020 was that it was free of fraud and fair.
If you believe that senile Joe won, then he was a more popular candidate than 0blama.
Now, there's a lie.
OTOH, Hillary Clinton didn't really lose because she was an unlikable candidate who didn't bother campaigning in several swing states. It was all because Putin had peepee tapes of Trump.
That and 4 million libertarian spoiler votes for Gary... Orange Hitler didn't get a popular majority out of that election either. Trump admitted on camera that he lost the 2020 election.
Look faggot, if we ever did engage in a coup it would be in overwhelming numbers and heavily armed. Some of these people were literally invited in the building by the cops.
Just pray there never is a coup, because if it happens, things will get real fucking bad for you.
Lysander Spooner argued that offering someone a drink you poisoned while assuring them it was safe is crime, not vice.
Polls indicate that many of his supporters still believe the election was "stolen" by Democrats.
Over half of america including a third of democrats believe there were irregularities and problems with the 2020 election. Not just trump supporters. This is backed by the over 2 dozen lawsuits that were not dismissed regarding illegal election changes. This is backed by thousands and thousands of double voters not charged in key states. Zuckbucks being used to influence and imbed activists into election offices. Tapes in Pennsylvania about recreating destroyed election material. And so forth.
Continuing to deny and lie that 2020 was the cleanest election ever just makes Reason look stupid.
Jesse, sad to say, but you probably need an intervention. Seek help.
I hope you don't get fifty-cents for that weak effort.
Joe Friday is cost effective immigrant labor. He is a 5 center.
Even after inflation?
He should get about 300 grains for that effort.
What did I say that was incorrect Joe?
I've posted dozens of articles on the above including videos, court ruling, and mainstream news articles.
Youre the one who thinks a coup attempt happened. A few hundred unarmed people. Lol.
Here is an example from just today.
https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/elections/greater-victory-margin-19000-votes-unverifiable-fulton-county-2020
I look forward to Joe’s response after he reads that article.
This challenge was submitted end of March. I will await the election boards response before making any conclusions.
I would also add that this is a single source story. I cannot find a second reference to the story in another report. So I am left awaiting the election boards response.
Reminder that moderation4ever admitted to being a (D) poll worker in Madison, Wisconsin, and certainly committed felony fraud himself.
Jesse you have posted a lot of accusation but provided little evidence. I also noted that you usually go quiet when your accusation are rebutted.
https://thefederalist.com/2021/03/17/judge-rules-michigan-secretary-of-state-violated-state-law-with-absentee-ballot-order/
What evidence do you have here of fraud. This was a case about administrative procedure about guidance on examining signatures. This about a pissing match between the SOS and the Legislature and doesn't amount to a hill of beans.
The burden of proof for allowing votes falls on local election officials to prove that absentee ballots were 1) cast without duress or bribery and 2) maintained in control of election officials from the time it was cast until it was counted. Failure to provide such proof casts doubt on their legitimacy and they should be thrown out in order to preserve election integrity. The burden of proof does not fall on those suspecting illegal voting, which is almost impossible to prove.
There is nothing to cast suspicion on Michigan's votes.
And yes, the burden of proof does fall on the those making accusations of illegal voting. If this were not the case, I could walk in an make any accusation of voter fraud I wished. Say that I think Texas votes are tainted and should all be thrown out.
Jesse, I don't chase ghosts but you have fun if that's what you like. here's a very simple fact that you can verify - I mean other then the 60 cases, multiple vote recounts, etc - which blows up your thesis.
Biden underperformed Hillary in all the big cities where the kind of nonsense you allege supposedly took place. That would be Detroit, Milwaukee, Atlanta, and Philly. He won those states because he did better than her in the suburbs and small cities of those states, i.e., GOP territory. Independents and some Republicans had had enough of Fatso. So, unless you think this alleged hanky panky was occurring in the red counties and cities, you should be able to see your allegations make no sense.
Look it up.
Talk to family about getting help.
Ever notice that the suggestion is always in the way of extra votes. Most of the fraud peddlers never address the fact that the former President underperformed other Republicans. Even Trump supporter like Wisconsin's Senator Ron Johnson acknowledged that the ex-President under performed. Hand recounts reported that many straight-line Republicans ballots left the Presidential race blank. No Republican officeholder is suggesting that their own election was tainted by fraud, just the Presidential election.
Maybe the place to start looking is not for extra ballots, but to figure why so many Republican voters passed on Trump.
If voters "passed" on Trump, they were more than made up for and augmented by the 11.2 million more votes he received in '20 than in '16.
The idea that Trump lost voters is another of the lies you commies tell to try to convince yourselves that the senile basement candidate got more votes that Barack 0blama - another lie.
P.S. Check the Time magazine article and how they admit to doing it, with the Zuckerbucks.
The fact is the former President under-performed when compared to his own party in 2020. Had he not alienated independences and his own party members he might have been reelected.
Joe, should there be any consequences if a Secretary Of State violates election laws?
She should get a "Profiles in Courage Award". Looks like she did.
You’re such a worthless hack shitweasel.
Just the raw numbers alone when compared to any other election should make anyone say "Wait a second, there's something seriously funny going on here that should be looked into".
In light of the ridiculous antics of the Trump Russia hoax, the fact that the Democrats would make questioning the election results a crime, makes it doubly suspicious.
Even the precedent of half the country thinking the election was stolen, is really bad.
If someone thinks it wasn't stolen, they should be very eager to set this to rest. Let in the sunshine. If this was the fairest election in history then a real nationwide audit (not recount, audit) should prove it and make the Democrats look even better and set millions of minds to rest.
But the resistance to anyone who questions the results, through disingenuous means like gaslighting, censorship, and demonizing or trying to make discussion illegal, indicates to everyone that the election really WAS stolen.
The media even admitted activists "fotified" elections.
The court findings are all public but since CNN didn't report it idiots like Joe think it never happened.
They gotta keep the attention away from the fact Hillary's campaign funded a coup attempt.
They admitted to fascist collusion between The Party, big tech, media, politicians, poll workers, and courts to "fortify" the election. They wrote an article bragging about it.
You're a damn fool, or liar, if you think it ends there.
Nothing Nixon did comes anywhere close to the crimes they'd already committed in 2016.
This only gets fixed if we rip the weeds out by their roots. The more vicious and aggressively the better. The Federal government is intrinsically corrupt and run by Marxists.
We no longer have freedom, or rule of law. So there is no value in allowing these people to continue to rule. And only our destruction if they do. Destroy them first.
I watched a video yesterday of a car that pulls up to a ballot drop box. The lady in the passenger seat sits there signing a pile of ballots, then gets out and stuffs them all into the box. There are hundreds of such videos. Some of them show the same person dropping ballots off in the same box over and over. Most of them put rubber gloves on before handling the ballots.
There is no valid, legal reason for a person to sign then submit multiple ballots.
When hundreds or thousands of people are doing it, it is a conspiracy.
The sense I get is that democrats are taking the position that they run things now, and there is nothing anyone can do about it. "What are you going to do, vote at me?"
The legislation would make it a gross misdemeanor for candidates or elected officials to "knowingly, recklessly, or maliciously" make false statements about election results.
Does that include district attorneys filing criminal charges against people who worked to steal an election?
Asking for a few hundred thousand friends.
“Trump’s mendacity continues to have a negative impact on our political system. Polls indicate that many of his supporters still believe the election was "stolen" by Democrats.”
Are there any polls indicating how many Democrats still believe Trump stole the 2016 election with the aid of “Russian collusion?”
It’s worth remembering that false narratives are not the exclusive province of anyone political party.
...and of course let's not forget Georgia governor Stacey Abrams.
How dare you demand that people be logically consistent and challenge their own partisan delusions!
Inslee, a Democrat, said the bill is necessary to protect democracy from "an ongoing coup attempt"
Someone who speaks progressive gibberish help me out here. The governor, in the act of advocating for legislation that criminalizes "knowingly, recklessly, or maliciously" discussing a controversial election outcome, proceeds to "knowingly, recklessly, or maliciously" call the events of January 6 a coup attempt?
The whole point of being a progressive is that you're intrinsically good and your opponent is bad. Because you are good, nothing you do can be bad. Because he is bad, nothing he can do can be good, or even right.
This mindset is baked into them in college via ideologies like intersectionality.
Also, because you are good you have a mandate to reorganize society and rule the nation.
"The whole point of being a progressive is that you're intrinsically good and your opponent is bad. "
Indeed Mother and I notice that the generosity of spirit you "libertarians" exhibit precludes any such similar attitudes here. The open minded and welcoming response I receive here is proof of that!
I guess the open-minded and congenial nature of your posts went over my head.
If you and your fellow travelers had their way we would not be allowed to say anything here at all. And you expect to be treated civilly?
Go fuck yourself. You deserve far, far worse.
Not even just the events of 1/6. He says “ongoing”, which means he is saying there is still a coup attempt occurring today.
by claiming "ongoing coup attempt" they are allowed to enforce unconstitutional laws to protect the constitution in this emergency
Cognitive dissonance is endemic in that in-group.
Inslee is the fucking worst.
The key thing is for the Kleptocracy to have taxpayers fund its entrenched looter candidate campaigns: (https://tinyurl.com/2p8hfeyk)
Unless you hold a political office or are running for one then it doesn't apply to you.
This was supposed to be a reply to swillfredo pareto.
I think that is the attempt to disqualify any republican candidate who might win, as being a co-conspirator.
Unless they are willing to claim to believe that 2020 was the fairest election of all time, they can be kept from running.
Of course, the next time a republican wins, and the democrats start claiming the fix was in, as they always do, that puts them in a complicated situation.
It all hinges on who gets to decide what is "false".
https://twitter.com/realLizUSA/status/1517124616149417984
Here’s a woman dropping off stacks of mail-in ballots in a drop box in Detroit before she realizes they aren’t signed
But that can't be real because Reason Democrats and the rest of the media ignore such and nothing corrupt ever occurs in Detroit.
I think Democratic corruption in Detroit long ago passed the "its happening and its good for you" stage.
I've been told many many times that the media is entirely run by Democrats who keep such stories from coming to light. So how did you find that? According to the narrative Democrat media censors that kind of thing. Is there some secret, underground Republican media I don't know about?
Entirety? Cite?
Listen to the voice. Which media personality do you think that is?
To be fair, Jack Dorsey "regrets" censoring the New York Post story. So... may not ENTIRELY run by Democrats.
Did he bother to do anything while it mattered or is this more in the vein of a murderer looking the family in the eye and muttering "sorry for your loss" to gain sympathy?
Did white mike whisper to you to say that today when you two woke up together?
And he wonders why I compare him to someone in middle school.
Gateway Pundit.
Speaking of which, when do we throw another warmunist on the barbie?
No *widespread* fraud.
Just enough fraud to win.
They say nothing about targeted fraud, so technically not a lie.
How many of those ballots are Libertarian?
…. announced legislation that would make lying about election results a crime
Good news for the Mayor of Seattle, Jenny Durkan: lying about the explosion of violent crime in Downtown / CHAZ and calling it the “summer of love” is just dandy. Better news for Inslee: he condoned her lying.
“Washington Gov. Jay Inslee said he spoke with Durkan about the situation, calling the occupation "largely peaceful" and "fundamentally American." "I spoke with @MayorJenny and her team about the situation on Capitol Hill. Although unpermitted, and we should remember we are still in a pandemic, the area is largely peaceful. Peaceful protests are fundamentally American, and I am hopeful there will be a peaceful resolution," Inslee tweeted Thursday afternoon.”
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/we-could-have-the-summer-of-love-seattle-mayor-says-she-doesnt-know-when-chaz-occupation-will-conclude
Two more people that should be convicted of a myriad of crimes and properly executed for them.
But definitely keep lying about the election being "free and fair"- right, CJ, you fascist piece of complete shit?
Criminalize elections. Problem solved.
How about an inverse republic? Our representatives will vote our ballots by proxy and tell us who won.
The damage caused by election lies is not worth abandoning free speech traditions.
About that Steele Dossier and all of 2016-2020...
who determines the lie, Inslee? derp
Fortunately, Reason's mendacity is irrelevant to our political system.
Fortunately, Clinton's mendacity is finally coming to light.
Normally I would agree, however, if it appears the lies are designed to insight insurrection shouldn't it matter? What Trump is doing is destructive of democracy. He is clearly making up lies to fit his per-conceived plan. This much is obvious from all the evidence we have. Without democracy we have no free speech rights. This is truly a dilemma.
Sure, sure.. Because a democratic vote that doesn't have Executive Fiat changes, Open ballot boxes for anybody at all, and after-hours suitcase ballot counting is "destructive of democracy".....
Topped off with pretending twelve unarmed teenagers represents an "insurrection"?
Wow; I couldn't make up better B.S. than you Trump haters already spout everyday.. Why it's downright impressive the amount of arrogant projection, deceit and lies that are on display.
I've seen many democrats say that any election they lose is a threat to democracy. How is Trump worse?
I stopped reading at insight.
Without democracy we have no free speech rights.
That's not true. In a democracy, the majority can have free speech privileges without granting them to the minority. So, the minority can be without the exercise of free speech rights even in a democracy. That's why the founders of the US set up a constitutional republic rather than a democracy—so that minorities could have protected rights.
"We" have a libertarian party to vote for. Fools who advocate the initiation of force have the Looter Kleptocracy to vote for. No dilemma, just mono-lemma cowardice.
Any lie can be made to be a true statement, or at nonfalsifiable.
Instead of saying "X is true", when X is clearly and provably false, a politician can simply say, "I believe that X is true." X may be provably false, but it is impossible to prove whether his belief that X is true is sincere or a lie. It's a statement of opinion.
Similarly, if anyone else ever voices their opinion that "I believe X is true" the politician can also truthfully reference that there are people who believe that X is true.
"People say....." is a Trump staple. And it's intellectual pablum. Word vomit.
Lets just summarize that bill......
Lock up anyone that questions the integrity of the Nazi-Regime!!!!
The reason why progressives can't stand free speech:
1. They aren't truth absolutists. They don't care about being logically consistent. They honestly believe that "truth" is anything that brings them power (the saying "truth to power").
2. The majority of conservatives, moderates, libertarians, etc. are truth absolutists. They care about being logically consistent, even if their beliefs aren't. You can argue with a conservative about their logical inconsistencies and they will acknowledge those as issues they need to work around (even if they don't agree).
3. Ergo, because only progressives believe in the "truth to power" claptrap, and they aren't even close to being in the majority, they know they can't win arguments with truth absolutists (lack of practice) and the vast majority will laugh at their increasingly stupid ideas.
4. Therefore, they need to suppress free speech. Hopefully, the inundation of their unreasonable claptrap will shut off the reasonable portion of the minds of anyone listening, and get them into the mindset found in the Soviet Union, accepting the Orwellian doublespeak.
Big Tech censoring the Hunter laptop story, illegal drop boxes in Wisconsin, proven ballot stuffing in Georgia aren't stealing an election?
They are, but it's tedious to prove how each individual act would have shifted the outcome. It's also been made impossible to prove that each vote was cast by the actual voter and recorded properly. I'm convinced that the democrats used multiple illegal means to swing the election in their favor and corrupt the vote. Having said that, it's mostly an assertion based on seeing how the party has openly been so activist and involved in all parts of the process. I just don't see the Republicans with enough of a ground game nor the lack of moral impediments to engage in the level of corruption that appears likely. Even with universal mail in voting I doubt that many more people voted for Biden than had previously voted for Obama. That alone feels like ballot stuffing without all the other irregularities that all seem to advantage democrats
D'souza is coming out with a movie proving widespread fraud and ballot harvesting.
Certainly a target rich environment for a documentary maker.
If they conducted a free and fair election, election officials would have fallen all over themselves providing the information their detractors asked for.
The fact that they didn't, and fought doing so, vigorously, shows consciousness of guilt.
Considering how much effort was expended to get Trump out of office, even while running for it, much of which have been shown to be illegal, it is not beyond belief that the Trump-haters would go so far as to steal the election...and they did.
The news media's job is not primarily to do free oppo research for Republicans.
Correct it's to do free oppo research for the Democrats. Better yet cover for their misdeeds.
Poor, pathetic, tu-quoque-sucking Trumpanzee crybabies. Seriously, is this some kind of National Socialist Conspiracy to make Tony's comments look better by comparison? Is the idea to completely blank out all but communo-fascist drivel?
How about first you have to prove they are lies in the first place? At the rate we're going, the 'fortification' story will break right after midterms are done and by 2024 people will be saying it's an old story and doesn't matter because Biden isn't running again.
It's never going to become law, so no need to get so worked up.
I wonder if Inslee criticized the coup attempt that was the Russian collision hoax...
Obviously the only one who can be trusted to determine what is a lie and what is the truth is Misek.
Troglodytes and assorted mental cases! Consider this fact and try to make it fit the fantasy world you've constructed at the orders of the biggest lying sack of shit to ever hold office:
Biden underperformed Hillary in all the big cities where the kind of nonsense you allege supposedly took place. That would be Detroit, Milwaukee, Atlanta, and Philly. He won those states because he did better than her in the suburbs and small cities of those states, i.e., GOP territory. Independents and some Republicans had had enough of Fatso. So, unless you think this alleged hanky panky was occurring in the red counties and cities, you should be able to see your allegations make no sense.
Look it up.
The "hanky panky" happened everywhere.
The fact that Trump got 11.2 million more votes than he did in his first winning try, make the lie out of the commie story that he lost support, and that's why he "lost".
He didn't.
It’s basically a statistical impossibility for Trump to gain 12 million votes and then lose. Combine that with all the illegal court decisions for, activist judges, missing chain of custody docs, other blatant procedural violations, and outright fraud, and the whole thing is obvious.
Unless you’re a brainwashed democrat.
i live in wa and sadly inslee is my governor. objectively he has the iq of a house cat. he is the dumbest governor serving today. it has not occurred to him that the bill is unconstitutional and will be struck down.
Patty Murray is also pretty stupid and Cantwell seems to be smart enough to stay invisible.
Patty Murray has the lowest IQ in the senate. She is a smidgen of future senility away from being a reta4ded mush for brains just like Biden. She’s also AOC’s role model.
"if Inslee's proposed bill survived constitutional scrutiny" -- it likely won't and probably shouldn't... But I just wish there were more chances to have courts rule on veracity of statements. Courts seem the last space left with at least the conditions conducive to truth-seeking: equal time for both sides, procedural rules developed over years in unrelated cases, rule arbiters shielded from political pressure by life tenure.
Most Republican officeholders don't lie. They also don't tell the truth. Instead, we hear about uncertainty and questions. They acknowledge that Joe Biden is President but will not say the words "duly elected". In a world where people can spin their answers, the kind of law suggested is meaningless.
Most Republican officeholders are probably Never Trumpers. He took enough wind from them as he did from democrats.
Based on today's news we know that McCarthy and McConnell did not like the former President. Wanted the Ds to get rid of the ex-President for them.
Of course not. They’re swamp creatures. McConnell also has ties with China, so he was never going to be an ally to Trump. I’m not sure about McCarthy, but it’s probably also something like that.
They acknowledge that Joe Biden is President but will not say the words "duly elected".
Even the acknowledgement is an indicator of 'swamp creature' status.
Because Biden was installed. By the coup that happened on January 6th. The left and the Democrats bragged about it in their captive media.
I'm sure CJ is just concerned that any reporting he does on elections would get him tossed in jail of this came to be and was applied evenly. Don't worry CJ the rules only apply to Republicans, you marxist cunts can still spout off whatever lies you like.
Donald Trump fucks his daughter.
There, free speech. Now, obviously, it would be a better example if it were an actual lie instead of the truth.
You're sick.
We've known that for a long time now.
The FBI ain't scrounging around for Ivanka's diary.
And under what pretext is federal law enforcement looking for a private citizen’s misplaced diary? I mean, we all KNOW why, but I’m curious what they’re using as a bullshit story for Marxist democrat retards like Tony to regurgitate here.
Strangely, if you had said that about Biden, it would actually be true. At least according to his daughter Ashley’s diary. As far as Trump, you just hate him. Plus you’re a goddamned liar.
The simple fact that puts the lie to dem claims about no fraud in the election is their veracity in opposing any attempt to audit the results, or institute transparency measures. An honest person welcomes the chance to prove themselves. Dems hide behind the proclamations of those who are vested in the results they achieved. It's mind numbing that we have a system that enables the power of the people, yet so many people willingly surrender (or corrupt) that power for ???
I can write the opinion striking down the law in two words. Or three.
"First Amendment. Idiots."
Too bad they can’t make the law retroactive so they could slap the cuffs on Hillary Clinton, Al Gore, Stacy Abrams and countless other Democrat election losers, all of whom questioned the results of their losing elections. This is both unconstitutional (First Amendment) and hypocritical given all the lies the left propagated about the Russian Collusion hoax, Hunter’s laptop, and Joe Biden’s mental acuity or lack there of.
No such law will ever be used against a democrat. We have no rule of law anymore.
We're running low on wet mops, baby wipes and Dr Trump's butthurt salve for all the whining Troomp-ah fascisti who leave the National Socialist Review comment section to stoke schadenfreude over here. Thank Thor for the Mute Loser button!
The only bloodless coup attempt was the one AGAINST President Trump. Using known to be falsified information to impeach and try to convict a duly elected, Senate certified Supreme court Justice sworn in sitting President in a partisan effort by Hillary Clinton, the DNC, Nancy Pelosi, Adam Schiff and Chuck Schumer. Let's not forget evidence tampering too with skillfully edited videos and in the second impeachment text messages.
Why have no charges been filed against these people?
Yet all we here is false charges of sedition and insurrection against the Jan. 6th protestors, but not one charge of sedition or insurrection.
Let's face it... looters steal, and looters lie. This is hard for Trumpanzees suckered out of casting a law-changing libertarian spoiler vote to face, but altruism is all about self-deception. Suckers have nobody to blame but themselves and their Trump-slobbering televangelists.
Ever since BOTH looter parties voted for Nixon's 1971 Anti-Libertarian Law, ALL presidential elections have been rigged. I am unable to find graphable data on "non" partisan elections before versus after the LP was organized. Looter laws forbid me to bet money that as soon as the LP began competing for votes, entrenched looter parties legislated "nonpartisan" election ballots.
CJ,
The reason people believe the 2020 election was stolen has nothing to do with statements made by Donald Trump. I live in Pennsylvania and watched hearings in 5 or 6 state legislatures subsequent to the election, although none of these were covered by corporate media. I also know how things work in Philadelphia and Harrisburg. I personally observed serious irregularities and heard stories from credible people that they also observed and experienced curious events involving voting.
The evidence that there was serious election irregularities (fraud) in a key counties and states is overwhelming. You seem to be a pretty good journalist, so why don't you go and do some investigation rather than repeating the propaganda from the establishment?