He Disarmed a Gun-Wielding Menace in a San Jose Taqueria. Then the Cops Shot Him.
Plus: Russia update, literary censorship, myths about American workers, and more...

Police won't release body cam footage of disputed incident for 45 days. Kaun Green may have saved some lives. When a brawl broke out in a San Jose, California, restaurant last weekend, the 20-year-old Contra Costa City College student and football player was able to get a gun away from one of the men who had started the fight.
For his good deed, Green wound up being shot multiple times by local police.
San Jose cops responding to the brawl say they didn't know that Green was only holding a gun because he had disarmed its original owner. So they shot him.
San Jose Police Chief Anthony Mata claims that "officers gave repeated commands to drop the gun, however the individual does not drop the gun." But Green's lawyer disputes this, saying that the cops gave Green no time to drop the gun before opening fire.
"The officers were walking up the stairs. My client is backing out, you hear them yell something, and within less than a second there are gunshots," he told ABC 7 News.
Green was shot at least three times, and is now recovering in the hospital. The officer who shot him has been placed on administrative leave pending an investigation.
There is body camera footage of the shooting, but it has not yet been released. San Jose Police said yesterday that it would take 45 days to release the video footage, despite the fact that they had already released stills.
"The person who initially brought the gun to the restaurant and pulled it out during the fight was arrested for being a felon in possession of a ghost gun," reports NBC News.
UKRAINE UPDATES
Russia pledged to "drastically reduce" troops around Kyiv and Chernihiv, in face-to-face talks between Russian and Ukrainian officials. Russia's ministry of defense announced afterward that it would "reduce military activity" to "create the necessary conditions for further negotiations."
More from CBS News:
Russia's lead negotiator Vladimir Medinsky emerged from Tuesday's talks to say his country had received "a clearly formulated position from Ukraine," and that "the possibility of making peace will become closer" as the two sides continue to work quickly to reach compromises.
Ukrainian negotiators also indicated some progress as the two sides seek to hammer out mutual "security guarantees." …
It wasn't clear to what extent Russia's military would reduce its artillery barrage against Kyiv's suburbs and the decimated city of Chernihiv, close to the Russian border, but it was the first time Moscow had given any indication that it would reduce the intensity of its "special military operation" since it began on February 24.
But U.S. officials are skeptical:
The Pentagon is seeing "small numbers" of Russian troops repositioning to the north of Kyiv but is not labeling it a withdrawal as Russia has characterized it. Instead, it believes the troops might be used in an offensive elsewhere in Ukraine, possibly into the Donbas region of eastern Ukraine.
[….] "We're seeing a small number now that appears to be moving away from Kyiv," John Kirby, the Pentagon's top spokesman, told reporters Tuesday. "This on the same day that the Russians say they're withdrawing, but we're not prepared to call this a retreat, or even a withdrawal. What they probably have in mind is a repositioning to prioritize elsewhere."
"It's certainly not a significant chunk of the multiple battalion tactical groups that Russia has arrayed against Kyiv," Kirby said. "It's not anywhere near a majority of what they have arrayed" around Ukraine's capital
FREE MINDS
Book burners all around. At Persuasion, Kat Rosenfield explores "the many faces of literary censorship." Attempts to suppress objectionable books "used to be more or less the exclusive purview of political conservatives and the religious right," but "today's censorship flaps are more diverse in both origin and execution," she writes.
Those freedom-to-read liberals are also, increasingly, enthusiastic censors themselves—ones whose cultural influence is both greater and more insidious than their right-wing counterparts. Conservatives continue to flail about, trying to pull individual books from individual reading lists; but the left has increasingly captured the culture, the means of production, even the creative process.
This shift has been observable over the past two decades, as objections to controversial books began to creep into the discourse from the left. The American Library Association's yearly list of high-profile book challenges paints a picture of a culture in flux.
In the early 2000s, the litany of complaints was familiar: too dark, too violent, too gay, too sexy, all readily recognizable as offensive to conservative literary sensibilities. But as progressives became increasingly focused on diversity, equity, and inclusion in the arts—and on the potential harm wrought by books that didn't do enough to champion the proper values—they started issuing challenges of their own. By 2020, the ALA's list included almost as many complaints about racist language, white savior narratives, or alleged sexual misconduct by an author as it did ones about bad language or LGBT themes.
Considering all the recent attempts to ban books from school libraries or reading lists, Reason's Nick Gillespie suggests that it all makes the case for more school choice:
Unless we want to live in a country where every curricular decision—even ones about what's served in the cafeteria—is subject to scorched-earth scrutiny not simply by the relevant parents and (maybe relevant) taxpayers but by every cable news host, Instagram mom, Bean Dad, elected official, and citizen at large, we need to give the people most directly affected more options so they can find a school that works for them.
The problem isn't that To Kill a Mockingbird is being pulled from—or made mandatory in—10th-grade English, it's that the overwhelming majority of kids (and parents) who are being told to suck it have no options. About 91 percent of K-12 students attend public schools, and while there has been a significant increase in various forms of school choice such as charters, online programs, and homeschooling, the overwhelming majority of kids still go to traditional, residential-assignment grammar and high schools.
Meanwhile, in corporate America…
a school library system vendor has "begun working on" the ability to automatically notify parents when their kids check a book out of the school library and to allow parents to prevent kids their kids from checking out books on certain topics. this…………..sucks https://t.co/YLOD6TE634
— Talya Cooper (@talya_cooper) March 28, 2022
FREE MARKETS
Myths about Americans and work. As many U.S. businesses struggle to find workers, a popular narrative has emerged that it's because Americans are rethinking work. After taking some time off during the pandemic, they've decided that going back to the grind is not for them, the story goes. This explanation is usually paired with some sort of political agenda—a call to raise the federal minimum wage, plus some general hand-wringing about the indignities of capitalism.
The idea that Americans hate their jobs, don't want jobs, and are resigning in protest is wrong, suggests Derek Thompson at The Atlantic.
No one wants to work anymore? Well, the unemployment rate is under 4 percent. More than 80 percent of prime-age workers are employed or looking for work. The labor-force-participation rate for workers ages 25 to 54 is now higher than it was for most of the Obama administration. These facts don't describe a country where "no one" wants to work. […] The story that most Americans hate their job doesn't hold up, either. In April 2021, the Conference Board reported that job satisfaction in the first year of the pandemic was the highest that the organization had recorded since 1995. The Conference Board is a membership of corporations, and perhaps you're disinclined to believe an organization of employers telling us about the sentiments of employees. Fair enough! Let's check with a gold-standard pollster, like the General Social Survey, which has been asking Americans about their working life since 2002. Every year of the survey, more than 80 percent of respondents have said that they're "very" or "moderately" satisfied with their job. From 2018 to 2021—after an economic crisis, mass layoffs, and a surge in unemployment—the share of very or moderately satisfied workers fell from about 88 percent to …about 84 percent. These numbers aren't outliers. They're part of a boring tradition of American workers telling pollsters that they aren't drowning in a sea of misery. A 2016 Pew survey poll found that American workers are "generally satisfied with their jobs"; more than half of full-time workers said they were "very satisfied."
I can already hear various accounts screaming at me that I don't understand the nature of Marxist false consciousness (these people do hate their jobs, they just don't know it—yet!), or that I don't grok the fact that most jobs inherently suck. So let me stress: I think that most jobs suck. I think I would be miserable doing just about anything other than writing professionally, eating professionally, or writing professionally about eating. I am shocked by these survey results. But these are the results, and the picture they paint is clear: Most Americans just don't seem to hate their job as much as extremely online Americans seem to think they do.
Finally, let's address this pesky claim that the Great Resignation, or "quitagion," or whatever is a reflection of job hatred and burnout. The Great Resignation isn't a dramatic shift in worker sentiment. It's a dramatic shift in worker opportunity.
More here.
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Then the Cops Shot Him.
The reason Gotham Police didn't tolerate Batman was he was privatizing their jobs.
Batman refused to join the union.
And wouldn’t shoot a dog.
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We need to learn about jury nullification. This will be the vast and maybe only we to keep those who fight back against cops and survive out of prison.
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If he was shot at the Capitol Reason would be defending this shooting as a fog of war and the police officer fearing their lives.
Or just pretend it didn’t happen.
At least if one of the officers has a stroke in the next couple of weeks the shooting will be justified. And no green should not have been shot.
I googled his name and there's one local news article about it. Notice how real police misconduct gets absolutely buried so we can be bombarded with thoughts of how gentle Mikey Brown was slaughtered with his hands up in the air.
“I googled his name”
Batman?
Is that one of them "furries"?
Very tiny hairs, but yes, bats are mammalian and thus Bat-People are "furries,", (even though The Holy Bible absurdly classifies the bat as a bird in Leviticus 11:13-19 and Deuteronomy 14:11-18.)
The translators of the King James version "classify" the bat as a bird, but actually even they don't as Linnaean taxonomy didn't even exist 400 years ago, let alone 3000.
In proper English 250 years ago, a "fish" was any animal that lived primarily in the water (crabs, seals, herring, beavers), a bird was an animal that had wings (including bats) and a "beast" was an animal that had four legs and lived on the earth.
You're trying to infer error using concepts and definitions that weren't even invented yet.
Still, as common as Necromancy was in those times, they could have examined the bodies and organs of bats and birds and seen they clearly weren't the same.
Likewise, someone could have simply observed that bats didn't lay eggs like birds and that bats carried, birthed, and nursed their young like other mammals.
And someone could have learned a Hell of a lot more things if they weren't taught all their lives to "Love not the world, nor the things that are in world." (1 John 2:15.)
Or is it Bible students who are identifying as "furries" and needing a litter box? Hmmm...
Encog would not have lived to adulthood in anything but the most decadent of times
Still, as common as Necromancy was in those times, they could have examined the bodies and organs of bats and birds and seen they clearly weren't the same.
Necromancy is communication with or summoning the dead. I think you probably are referring to extispicy by a haruspex which is the inspection of the entrails of sacrificed animals for signs and omens. Extispicy was illegal for both the ancient Hebrews and the Englishmen who wrote the King James version.
You are correct however that they would have known the difference, as virtually everyone butchered their own animals instead of going to the supermarket and were intimately familiar with anatomy.
That still doesn't mean that they saw a pressing need to classify a water animal like a seal with a flying animal like a bat. What's more important? The fact that the animal you're hunting lives in water or the fact that it's got a synapsid skull and mammary glands?
"Likewise, someone could have simply observed that bats didn't lay eggs like birds and that bats carried, birthed, and nursed their young like other mammals."
What was more important to everyone observing a bat back then? That nurses? or the fact that it flies?
The definition of bird was different back then. It simply meant an animal with a pair of wings. It's the moderns who changed the meaning to exclusively diapsid animals with feathers and toothless beaks. Holding them to a definition that didn't exist created by a science that didn't exist, is silly.
In addition, even modern classifications are ever changing wasn't to long ago, historically speaking that birds and reptiles were separate classes, now it's common to class them together. Using the clad system,fungi are more closely related to animals than to plants, which is also a fairly modern concept.
ML, and Soldiermedic76, How we classify living things and how much we know about them makes all the difference between life and death for humans.
Both bats and birds eat insects, but while birds migrate, not all bats do. Also, they are subject to different diseases, have different competitors and enemies, etc.
Knowing all this would determine whether it's better to build birdhouses or batboxes to clear away crop-eating insects, or maybe not to rely on either bats or birds at all and breed more resilient crops.
Also, we class birds and reptiles closer together because fossil records indicate that birds evolved from some species of lizards. Shaping classifications based on evidence rather than ancient tomes accepted on faith is a transferrable skill that means better science and better applications of that science.
And nothing you stated at all backs up your derision of the Bible. At the time the KJB was written, people were debating if sparrows hibernated beneath ice of ponds during the winter in England. When the Leviticus was written the Hebrew people were still operating with bronze and iron smelting was just becoming a thing. Mammoths still existed in some parts of the world (last one died that we can date 3700 years ago, Leviticus was written ca 1647 BCE). In Greek culture of the time, and the subsequent Roman culture generally also paired birds and bats together and separate from land animals. So, the idea of birds and bats together is not unique to the Bible. Furthermore, you reference is from clean and unclean foods, as the list is of land animals, fish, birds and insects, it doesn't have a category for bats (except for the rare flightless bats in New Zealand) so grouping them with birds would make as much sense as grouping them with land animals. They were considered unclean, so it really didn't matter where they were grouped. You weren't supposed to eat them or even touch them (which makes autopsies extremely difficult).
As for Leviticus, like most the Old Testament it was written from older verbal traditions, in old Hebrew, which was translated into Aramaic, and then Greek, then Latin and then middle English and German (Luther translated the first Bible not in Latin before KJV was written) and now into modern English, it is quite possible that birds isn't even the correct translation but could easily have been animals of the air, which some translator shortened to birds. And actually looking up Old Hebrew for bird, there isn't an exact word, the closest translation for bird is creatures of the air, or creatures that block out the sun. So the word bird is actually a more modern insertion not the original word used in the text. Which makes lots of sense, as the first two paragraphs references animals of the land, and animals of the water, so animals of the air would fit right in with that theme.
It's so funny when someone argued the Bible rather atheist or believer who doesn't realize that it was written in a language that is no longer spoken, then translated into another language that is no longer spoken and then translated into yet another dead language, then translated further into a language only spoken by academics and some clergy today (and Latin went through different phases, as do any language) and wasn't until the 16th century it was translated into a more modern language, albeit both the German Luther translated it into and the English King James translation was in are older versions of the modern German and English, and most modern German and English speakers would have difficulty understanding them. Which means even Luther's translation, Guttenberg's (which was mainly based on Luther's) and King James have been further translated into modern English. Getting tied up on a single word, rather than focusing on passages or chapters as a whole, is just asinine and generally makes the one making the argument look uneducated.
Hell, even the Icelandic sagas, which were written in the 14th century, and modern Icelandic is very similar to old Icelandic and old Norse, has multiple translations that disagree on some minute translations and that is far more modern than Leviticus.
ML and Soldiermedic76, You're making my case all the more. If certain animals are forbidden to touch, whether for Necromancy or for research, that prohibition makes The Holy Bible all the more anathema for rational scientific minds to use as a basis for Taxonomy. And, to be fair, I wouldn't use Greco-Roman classification schemes either, though, to their credit, they didn't prohibit touching and examining certain animals.
And since the furtherance of science requires showing homework and sharing results, I'd also say that using layer upon layer of multiple dead languages unnecessarily is pretty unparsimonious and kinda runs at cross-purposes with that goal.
Nardz, if no one questioned any of these things, a whole lot of us wouldn't have survived birth, much less to adulthood. Most of those who did wouldn't have lived past 30, and the living would envy the dead.
That may mean nothing to Putin or Patriarch Kirill in their Potemkin veil-of-tears, but means a Hell of a lot to this benefactor of what's left of Secular, Western, American free thought, free markets, and all their resulting goodies.
Your life has literally 0 value, and your commentary is as dull as it is irrelevant
Correction, Beneficiary, though through spending and investing, I am a little benefactor too. That the thing about real-world economics, people can be both.
Yep, Nardz, those are the talking points about Unbelievers. So dull, we're asked as well as ordered to shut up about it, and our lives so insignificant, 8 States don't allow us in public office and the entire Islamic world wants us either imprisoned or dead. With a life like that, who needs Melatonin?
That's because this is a local story, the kind Reason doesn't cover.
"Gentle Mikey" was not so gentle. Mikey Brown, 6ft 4in 300lbs, was CHARGING AT Wilson when he was shot. I am 6ft 3in 305lbs and if I am charging at YOU it does not matter where my arms are, you better be fearing for your life because I'm about to tackle you.
That's their primary technique for any issues that reflect poorly on the Democrats.
But the cops shot this Samaritan because he was the same color as that "kiddie porn judge" who failed to send someone to prison for 99 years for vice.
You call the consuming and dissemination of violent child pornography just a “vice”? What the fuck is wrong with you leftists? Is this your interpretation of Libertarian Principles? The freedom to watch children being taken advantage of
Hey now!
Hank, I know are a good guy, well-schooled in the genuinely anti-racist ways of Rand, but you've committed a common colloquial faux pas.
No using the term "Samaritan" or "Good Samaritan" to denote good normative qualities such as courage!
The term "Good Samaritan" implies that goodness among Samaritans is an exception and that Samaritans are by nature no-good-niks. I know that's not what is usually meant, but that's how it comes off the tongue. If someone said "Good Jew" or "Good Negro," or "Good Chinaman," the offense would be obvious.
Please live up to Ayn Rand's wisdom and just say that Kaun Green acted as "Man At His Best."
Of all things people falsely accuse of racism, they still use an actually racist term like "Good Samaritan." How long we have to go as humans.
Might I add, the term "Good Samaritan" is just more Mystical nasty Biblical aftertaste that keeps us from enjoying a feast of rational thought. There are much better tastes to be savored.
Again, your understanding of biblical theory is an inch deep. The story of the Good Samaritan was actually Jesus scolding the Disciples for their cultural prejudices.
This is a theme he revisited multiple times, and can be seen throughout the New Testament. It isn't even referred to in the Bible as the good Samaritan, just the Samaritan, who bound the wounds of a Levite, when other Levites had ignored the wounded man. It comes about because Jesus had told them to Love they God and Love thy neighbor and they asked who their neighbors were. At the time the Pharisees had a very strict caste system of who were considered real Jews and who were considered Gentiles and mixing with Gentiles was almost forbidden and Gentiles were not considered to be holy on God's eyes according to the Pharisees. Jesus was telling his followers in this parable that the Samaritan, who was considered a Gentile, was more Holy then the Levites, because he showed mercy to his neighbors, while the supposed Holy Levites, ignored the person in need. The phrase Good Samaritan doesn't appear in the Bible.
So all the Sunday School teachers who called it "The Parable of the Good Samaritan" added to The Holy Bible and thus have all the plagues of this book added unto them? (Revelation 22:18.)
Police Chief O'Hara: "B'Gora! He took our jobs! Derka durr!"
Commissioner Gordon: "Ah, but he exemplifies the genius, initiative, and pluck which is both free enterprise and--judging from his many fantastic vehicles and high-tech wonders--humanitarian philanthropy! Your men should learn from his sage example!"
Chief O'Hara (After some thought): I've got it! We'll set up some Paul Blart Brand Franchises, co-branded and sharing locations with Dunkin Donuts! Blimey! That'll show 'The World's Greatest Detective!'"
I'm not sure an Irish-American would say "Blimey."
San Jose cops responding to the brawl say they didn't know that Green was only holding a gun because he had disarmed its original owner. So they shot him.
Shoot first and then gain situational awareness IF YOU WANT TO GO HOME SAFE.
It's a good idea for cops to "soften up" a room before entering.
I bet they had guns, too. Lucky for them, Green didn't use their algorithm.
Russia pledged to "drastically reduce" troops around Kyiv and Chernihiv...
Ha, getting the most use out of those force redeployments.
I thought it was the Ukraine army that was drastically reducing the number of Russian troops around Kyiv.
The killed every Russian troop... Twice
But then died from COVID and climate change.
That's almost as deadly as deadnaming them and ignoring their choice in personal pronouns.
They did that after killing the Putineers, and then they called Putin's propaganda house organ Russia Today and Punk'd the show host with news about it. That's just the kind of badasses they are! 🙂
Those freedom-to-read liberals are also, increasingly, enthusiastic censors themselves—ones whose cultural influence is both greater and more insidious than their right-wing counterparts.
Hey, as long as drag queens are reading what's left...
Conservatives screech all the time. What they screech about changes a little.
1940s: FDR is going to help the commies defeat the Jesus Fuhrer!
1950s: Our conscripts captured in other people's countries prefer the commies to us!
1960s: Timothy Leary is seducing kids away from liquor, cigarettes, and firebombing faraway villages!
1970s: People use coke because we got rid of their acid!
1980s: We must nuke South America if they let us buy drugs!
1990s: We must invade South America, kill, rob and kidnap for the kids!
2000s: Asset forfeiture makes cops into good Christian looters!
2010s: A Kenyan cannibalized the election after the Crash!
2020s: A Kenyan won't let us burn books or Beatles albums that play kiddie porn backwards!
You are one weird person.
2022 hank Phillips:
“Everything Is So Terrible And Unfair!…. And has been for a very long time!”
Pretty sure it was the democrat party and socialists that initially supported hitler...
FDR sure admired Mussolini.
True, but his admiration for Mussolini paled in comparison to FDR's schoolgirl infatuation with Stalin.
Days since enbs last yglasias reffrence : 19
Ties the record.
Wait, I thought yesterday was 19.
I did too. Is this the record?
We demand a recount!
99 Courts have ruled that there's no evidence of fraud. Request for recount denied.
The same counts have been counted and remain the same.
New research shows women under age 30 are earning equal to or more than male counterparts in 22 major U.S. metro areas.
What's a woman?
Do I look like a biologist?
Maybe you identify as a biologist. It’s hard to tell by looking these days.
I bet this is going to lead to much chagrin over the wage gap.
The wage gap has always been a lie.
Maybe not always, but certainly for the past 20 years.
The wage gap was a lie well before the 21st century. That's why it won't go away.
We should get back to worrying about the thigh gap.
My company has a new policy in place of females being 50% of engineering managers despite them being 18% of the engineering population.
But what color is the number 7?
My company tried similar with race as represented in the US.
My county:
The racial makeup of the county was 96.0% white, 0.8% American Indian, 0.5% Asian, 0.1% Pacific islander, 0.1% black or African American, 0.4% from other races.
Maybe they could just paint some of them?
Given the username, I'm going to presume we're talking about pretty good sized counties, like NM and AZ have, not those fiddly things over on the East Coast. Going by county demographics probably makes more sense there than somewhere that has ten counties in ten square miles.
NM would have similar issues. Local population only includes 2% Black people, so trying to match national numbers would be damned near impossible. On the other hand, anyone local who wanted to blow away the national average for Natives would be in a good position. 😉
Going by county demographics likely makes the most sense regardless.
Even in NJ, with small counties and perched between two giant cities, over 50% of workers have a job in their home county.
What? Are you suggesting that counties have some sort of legal status? How can that be, when smart people have proven that states are just outlines on maps. The only geographic entity that matters is the nation (at least until we get one-world governance).
I happen to believe that Reynolds v. Sims is one of the worst decisions ever to occur. I'm the worst person in American history.
It would have mattered less if Congress hadn't fucking decided to place an artificial limit on the number of representatives no matter how much the population grew. We have the same number of representatives as we did a century ago, but 300% larger population.
I have to admit that a US House with 10,000 reps could be entertaining.
Republic Senate from Attack of the Clones?
Sounds like he is from Bonner's county Idaho, which is really a county because Kootenai county once encompassed all five northern counties in Idaho (so most of the Panhandle) and people got tired of having to travel sometimes one hundred or more miles to Coeur d'Alene, so they divided it into five counties. Northeast Montana is similar. At one time all of Northeast Montana was a single county, Valley county, but it was too difficult to administer a county that large as people settled away from Glasgow, so they divided it into four counties (it's still a 55 miles trip for me to get to my county seat, but that's a lot better than the 100 mile trip to Glasgow). Idaho County, Idaho is still ridiculously large and Grangeville isn't exactly centered in the county either, more on its southwest border. Then again my county is twice the land area of Rhode Island.
What about the other 2.1%?
I knew someone would ask that.
...and 2.1% from two or more races
Big Businessmen are some of the dumbest fucks you'll run across. You can convince them of anything, see Gillette and Coca~Cola.
The Great Resignation isn't a dramatic shift in worker sentiment. It's a dramatic shift in worker opportunity.
Anyone who has tried to hire someone in the past year knows something is up. I blame monetized TikToks.
If SleepyJoe has taught us anything, it’s that you can get the job you always wanted if you stay in your basement.
How dare you.
What, beat you to it? 😉
The destiny thing where parents are made aware of what their children are checking out in the library and are able to veto it, seems like a fantastic idea. The power should be in the parents not the librarians hands.
That said, it will be trivially easy to circumvent for the average 8 year old, but it's knock on effects are excellent. It will make parents more aware of what their school is pushing their kids to read. It will also force teachers to take into consideration parent's wishes about how their children are educated. When a kid can't get an objectionable book from the library.
Let's just put body cams on teachers.
I would actually be legitimately for this. Public school classrooms should be public. Teachers should not have an expectation of privacy when it comes to their job from their employers.
So would I. Or just put a web cam in every class room and give the parents the passwords to look in and watch whenever they want. If a parent wants to come to school with their kid and see what is going on, they certainly can and should be able to do that. A web camera is no different.
I'm guessing this would result in many lawsuits on FERPA grounds, no small portion of which being disingenuously filed by the unions.
We did do that. It is called "virtual learning". One of the great pieces of justice in my lifetime has been watching the dead beat teachers' unions insist on virtual learning because they will insist on anything that gets their members out of having to actually do their jobs only to watch the entire thing blow up in their faces as parents finally see what garbage passes for education in this country. Whoever it was that decided that it was a good idea for the teachers' unions to demand the schools close down because of COVID chose very poorly. I bet if they could go back in time and do it over again knowing what they know now, the teachers' unions would have killed half their members if that was what was necessary to keep the schools open and keep parents from seeing what actually goes on in classrooms.
While the lockdowns were an atrocity, this is at least one good thing that came from it. And the mass exodus from the cities that came from remote work. When you can work from anywhere, what do you need New York for?
In grade seven I was actively hunting the school library for anything titillating.
Back then I found a couple of biology books showing tits, but with today's groomers stocking libraries who knows.
Now the biology books show that you can have your own tits (but are fuzzy on defining "woman").
Giving parental control seems like a good solution to me. Of course, there are scenarios where it isn’t perfect, but that’s the real world.
It would work well enough, and be a lot simpler, to just let the parents know what books their kids have checked out.
You think parents should know what books their kids are being exposed to? Why do you hate gay people.
When the Bookmobile came to P.S. 108, some books had a skull and crossed bones on their spine. We were allowed to check these out if we had a parent's permission. However, it was all or nothing; that is, parents didn't OK every title, which would've required them to be there, but just allowed you to check out any/all of the books so labeled, or not.
Interesting they chose a skull and crossbones. Guess they didn’t want to be subtle in labeling.
Yeah, this seems like the better solution. It gives parents more control over what their kids are checking out. Of course it's not perfect, but nothing is, and it's better than the current system.
Of COURSE some lefty douche canoe would object to it, because it may prevent them from grooming some children and the want to groom all children. Leftist brainwashing doesn't work if some kids' brains are left unscrubbed.
Still not used to this meaning of "grooming". When I think of "children's grooming", it's still about getting them to comb their hair or some such.
Probably still have that on my mind because for years I tried to make money on http://users.bestweb.net/~robgood/lather.html Lot of libertarian connections there; in the photos the youngest child is Corinne Low (daughter of Carol), and the lady is Theresa Reed (Darklady).
Twenty-one state governors are suing the Biden administration over the federal mask mandate for public transportation.
That means twenty-nine are okay with it. Finally, Biden's approval rating somewhere gets over .500.
When most of the passengers had cleared off Platform 9 on Sunday night, I saw a tall Russian man step out of the rear car. At first he demurred when I asked if we could talk, but then he changed his mind.
“It all definitely feels like we are going very far backwards in history,” he told me. “It’s worse than the Iron Curtain, it’s worse than going back to Soviet times. I don’t have the words to compare it, but maybe if you’ve read Russian a bit you’ve heard of someone named Vasili Rozanov. He was the first one to coin the expression the Iron Curtain about Russia.”
“One hundred years ago, in 1918, he wrote that with a clang, a creak and a scream the iron curtain dropped on Russian history,” my interlocutor said, quoting Rozanov nearly perfectly. “An announcer declared the performance was over. The audience was told to put on their fur coats and go home. The people got up from their seats and looked around, but the fur coats and the houses had all vanished.” It was all lies, all an illusion. Not long after Rozanov wrote this in the wake of the Russian Revolution in a work titled “The Apocalypse of Our Time, and Other Writings,” he died of illness and starvation.
After several more weeks of harsh international sanctions, the man on the platform speculated, “As a consequence of believing the lies and spreading the lies on a national scale, maybe some Russian people will see that they won’t have any of these nice, good, warm, cozy comfortable things coming from the West anymore.”
“Maybe,” he said, “they should reconsider their attitude toward the propaganda they are listening to from the TV set. As an intelligent Russian man once said, the fridge will win the battle over the TV.”
When I asked for his name and hometown, the man graciously demurred.
“Let me remain ‘a person on the train,’” he smiled as he vanished into the Baltic twilight. “The last person on the last train.”
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2022/03/29/last-train-out-of-russia-00021263
I’m my life, I’ve noticed the stories along the lines of “I was traveling in a foreign land when I met an old wise man who bestowed me with nearly perfect perspective and knowledge of the past and the present” turn out to be made up.
Yep.
Kenny Rogers hardest hit.
"You got to know when to hold 'em, know when to fold 'em, know when to walk away, know when to run..."
A story about drinkin', cheatin', killin', and goin' to Hell! Ticks all the boxes of a good Country song. 🙂
The best Kenny Rogers song (and he had a lot of good songs) but it's one that is hard for me to hear. My brother sang it to his sons when they were babies (I sang it to my older two as well) and they played it at his funeral. Now, I can't hear it or sing it without thinking of him.
He died soon after my daughter was born, so I sang her Devil Went Down to Georgia and Jukebox in my mind when she was little.
And Momma's don't let your babies grow up to be cowboys. Which may be why she is a Waylon fan to this day.
My Mom would sing her Daddy's Hands.
For this particular story, does it matter?
Yes.
What a stupid question.
Not for me. I assumed it was made up, and loved it.
Yeah, that's what I meant when I said "does it matter?" It's a great story even if it ain't quite totally true.
But, of course, journalism should always tell the truth, so I don't want to be misunderstood as condoning made-up stories in journalism.
Fore extinguishers. Trump russia. Bounties. Trump insurrection. Russians hacked hunters laptop.
You were saying?
Maybe,” he said, “they should reconsider their attitude toward the propaganda they are listening to from the TV set. As an intelligent Russian man once said, the fridge will win the battle over the TV.”
What does the state of the United States have to do with the last train into the Baltics?
For a train into the Baltics from the other direction, read My Official Wife by Richard Savage. It's public domain, found easily.
Well that man on the platform obviously wasn't totally made up for the sake of a homily by the writer.
"I saw a tall Russian man step out of the rear car. He demurred when I said,
'Do you speak-a my language?' He just smiled and gave me a Vegemite sandwich."
Vegemite? That nasty shit would be luxury for Russians...
I guess you obviously don't come from a land down under
Where women glow and men plunder
Hmm, do people know at some level they are swallowing propaganda, and believe willfully because it suits their prejudices? Or are they truly gullible? My guess is you get a mix of the two.
Fire extinguishers.
"J6 was an assassination attempt against Mike Pence!"
I thiught it was Sir Winston Churchill who first coined the term "Iron Curtain." Hmm.... Must investigate further...
He's generally credited with it, 1946 speech in Missouri.
NBC News does a deep dive into the treachery of ICE's fake schools used to entrap immigrants.
Did they forget who now heads the Executive Branch?
Ah yes, the terrible trap of offering a school with no classes. Seriously, the complaints by advocates so far have been that people got caught trying to pay for visas. Not that people weren't actively aware and searching for the opportunity to pay for visas and got caught.
There are different types of stings. A police officer putting up an advertisement on Craig's list for murder for hire services, then arresting people that try to hire him is a legitimate use of police power. A police officer going to the local bar, finding a dude that's going through a divorce then spending hours convincing him that murder for hire is the only way out, then arresting him is not a legitimate use of police powers.
The school scheme looks to be a case of the former. They put out advertisements and made it very clear that there was no education or classes actually going on, and then let the people looking to commit a crime come to them. If the advocates want to complain, they are going to need to put up some information that shows this was not the case.
A police officer putting up an advertisement on Craig's list for murder for hire services, then arresting people that try to hire him is a legitimate use of police power.
No grasshopper, it is not.
Why? Give me a reason. I'm on board with not allowing stings were an individual is talked into committing a crime by an officer or even has the appearance to have been talked into committing a crime. Too easy to abuse to be allowed.
But I've seen no such reason or logic against passive stings such as the one described with the schools. Actively seeking out a partner in crime absolved the issue of abuse.
Then how is advertising a kill for hire service not a crime itself.?
Never confuse Don't look at me! with someone interested in an intellectually honest exchange of ideas. He doesn't roll like that.
I thought I was muted.
SHOW US THE LIST!
Weird, he discusses actual ideas with people all the time, such as right below. Not everyone thinks themselves as a victim like you do.
It's everyone elses fault! Not sarcasmic's. He's just a poor little lamb who never does anything wrong.
Is there anybody here aside from the fifty-centers that sarcasmic hasn't started shit with?
No.
Because it's thought-crime. There is no actual crime in the offing. Or, if the crime is indeed in the thought, then the police putting in the ad are just as guilty. And if they're not guilty, then murder for hire in such a case should be legal, because it's sanctioned by the police! If your government is hiring you to kill someone, what's the difference whether it's armed services recruiting or police advertising on Craig's List?
If the cop was going up to people convincing them x person was worth killing and they would do it, then it is entrapment.
Simply posting an ad to kill is not.
I see it as crime creation, not preventing crime.
It doesn't create the crime but channels the crime being actively sought out to a law enforcement individual.
Are you saying seeing an ad compells you to use the service on offer?
Active measures should be out because they're trying to change your mind or push you in one direction, but an ad that says "call Bubba for all your murder needs" doesn't do that.
The ad doesn't compel you, but neither does armed services recruiting. It's still an official communication soliciting anyone who wants to to kill someone.
Or is it the advertiser who's offering to be hired to kill someone? Doesn't look much different from a referendum on whether to go to war. It's a command from a government subject to have government agents kill someone.
Yes, fake advertising a killer for hire is creating crime.
Do you think undercover drug sales are legit?
If they're legit, they should be legal, right?
Except the school was accredited as a university by the state of New Jersey, and the DHS listed it in their website as a valid institution. I had internship classes that saw me getting first high school and then college credit for working at Sandia Labs. So the concept of a school where you get credit for working doesn't seem that strange, if the credit is in what you're working on.
My understanding was that the ads didn't make that clear at all. People who enrolled noticed that they hadn't been notified for classes yet, but expected to be, and that those who inquired were just told nothing or to expect some delay. The only way they learned what was going on was via a 3rd party who said they knew of no such institution, but even then they thought it might've been some snafu.
This isn't much different from someone who makes a down payment or pays rent to someone represented as owning a property, and then proceeds to occupy the property, which it turns out is someone else's. (There are ads like that on Craig's also!) Would the sucker be criminally liable for trespass?
Your understanding was wrong. There were deep dives into these programs and the FBI universities were very up front about no class work.
OnlyFans has held talks with multiple blank check companies, or SPACs, about a merger to take it public...
Even with the rampant T&A???
You know th old saying "sex doesn't sell"
What about "sex wants to be free"?
When is sex ever free? I spent a lot of money when I was single on convincing females to have sex with me and marriage has been even more expensive.
Is Florida's Republican Gov. Ron DeSantis the future of the GOP?
Corporate news media have lined up like he is.
Based on their rabid coverage of everything he does (including the sin of telling kids they can take off their masks, which was put forward as a "gotcha" by them) they certainly think so.
Otherwise a gov that actually killed a bunch of old people in nursing homes, almost on purpose, wouldnt have been lionized as a hero while the guy who got better results with no mandates was called "deathsantis".
I really hope he runs
DeSantis has the gaul to say he wasn't owned by corporate entities like Disney. The corporate fascist overlords are angry.
Let's hope so because the pansy-ass losers like Romney are just proggie dems in disguise.
De Santis is the real deal and not scared of the woke cancel crowd, but also no mean tweets.
and his press secretary Christina Pushaw is fantastic.
I would be much happier voting for De Santis than Trump.
The fact that McDonald's in my area is paying $18 an hour shows that people don't want to work, because unemployment and welfare comes out to more than 15. Does the article address people that leave the workforce entirely?
And for anybody that says "I should be paid what I'm worth" the correct responce is "I agree, but minimum wage prevents that"
And it's still less, apparently, when adjusted for inflation, then what the boomers were earning when they working these jobs 40 years ago.
Back in 1973 minimum wage was $1.60/ hour, gas was 39¢ /gallon, (oil shock didn’t hit yet)
Today, minimum wage is $15 in most places, gas today was (until recently ) under $3.00 gallon
Then, as now, nobody really expected to make a living on minimum wage jobs.
So, $10.30 per hour. Once again this dude has no idea what he's talking about.
Uh, now people expect to make a living with no wage (or job).
A robotic hamburger dispenser has started operating in the US, I believe it was New Jersey (I could be wrong heard it on the radio while feeding stock this morning). It cooks the patty, toasts the bun, dispenses the condiments and assembles the burger. All of this in less than 6 minutes. I wonder how long until McDonald's and Burger King will have these in place?
And it won't spit in your sandwich either.
I hope you did not let your cattle listen to a news report about hamburgers.
I was feeding the kids' ewes and lambs at the time, so I was safe.
That's usually their chore, and my oldest takes the morning shift, because he doesn't have first period as a senior, but today was senior skip day and they were leaving for Williston early to go bowling (which he didn't mention until this morning) so I had to do his chores for him.
He only has two months left at home before he ships off for basic, so I'm letting him enjoy it a bit more.
Sounds like you're living the life right now, Soldiermedic.
It has its days for sure. I'm not sure if I'd say that once calving starts but calving season is just a grind, as I have a lot of heifers calving for the first time, and heifers are always a pain in the ass.
It has its days for sure. I'm not sure if I'd say that once calving starts but calving season is just a grind, as I have a lot of heifers calving for the first time, and heifers are always a pain in the ass. They're too stupid to know what is happening, luckily they usually catch on pretty quick.
New research shows women under age 30 are earning equal to or more than male counterparts in 22 major U.S. metro areas.
But enough about OnlyFans already.
Can they do a deep dive into FBI entrapment next?
Now write this article with only the cops info. They get called to a active shooter scene, see a guy with a gun, tell him to put it down, he likely turns toward them. What does your training say to do?
Whats the alternative here? The only ones i can think of are, hesitate or taze.
The police report is fiction. They did not give him time to disarm. They yelled conflicting commands before opening fire. That's what they do. They know that the courts will back them up unless there's a national media storm.
Never help the police. Ever. They're not the good guys.
You said they laugh at the internet tuff gais you beat up.
Hmm. What are your views on Babbitt again?
Could have sworn it said the video wasn’t released yet.
Ooo! Ooo! You've already screwed it up by both including information that is in dispute (that they told him to drop it or gave enough time to process the command) and then adding in your own assumption (that the guy turned towards the cops).
Secondly, if you tell someone to do something you need to give them time to do it.
Thirdly, turning towards someone with a gun in your hand is not, on its own, provocative - a lot depends on that turn speed and where the gun is pointed at the time.
Fourthly, if you've got your gun pointed at the dude, you have time to pay attention to where his gun is pointed as he turns.
Fourthly, its not actually illegal to possess a firearm - even at the scene of a police call.
Cops are trained to, upon seeing someone with a gun, to yell conflicting commands while shooting. There's no "Drop it!" followed by a pause. No it's "Hands up!" "Hands on the ground" "Kneel!" "Lay down!" while simultaneously doing a mag dump.
Get a grip.
Am I wrong? If so please enlighten me.
Reread slowly with sense of humor on.
Same to you but more of it.
Look for video of Daniel Shaver's killing by cops. And he didn't even have a gun.
In January 2016, Mesa police Officer Philip Brailsford shot and killed the 26-year-old Shaver after barking conflicting commands at the terrified man in a hotel hallway for several minutes. Bodycam footage later released of the Texas visitor begging for his life before he was shot went viral.
Months after Shaver's killing, Brailsford was fired and charged with second-degree murder. But he ultimately was acquitted of the charges, and was even reinstated by the city of Mesa in August 2018 — only to be granted retirement on medical grounds because he claimed he suffered from post-traumatic stress disorder from killing Shaver. The retirement allows Brailsford to collect a pension, which totals $30,000 annually.
So all you've got is the title to the Aerosmith album they were promoting when I saw them in concert. Oakily doakily.
Lol. An Aerosmith fan.
You get picked on so much cuz you share too much. No one should admit to liking Aerosmith.
Hey now. There is no excuse for such talk. Our first dance at our reception was to Don't want to miss a thing!
Aerosmith has got some deep New England roots too. Their early stuff is better, before Steven transitioned to womanhood. J. Geils Band has a similar appeal in NE and don't forget Ric Ocasek and the Cars.
Their early stuff is better, before Steven transitioned to womanhood.
Dream on.
They did have some good early stuff. Mama kin, last child, stuff like that. Dude looks like a lady cancelled all that out, tho. Very few bands get more than a couple of good albums. Creativity dries up in the late 20s for most musicians if they’re lucky enough to hit it big while they’re young. The stones went on for 50 years too long.
Talk is cheap. Shut up and dance.
Something that police definitely need to work on is clarifying communication issues. We see too many scenes where something chaotic happens and there's 5 officers shouting things and it's a confused muddle where you can't make anything. It should be a single officer in charge of issuing clear commands to suspects and everyone else keeps silent to avoid confusion.
Even if they're all shouting "Drop the gun!" they're shouting it on top of each other and it's just a roared muddle. People respond better when it's a calm voice speaking clearly. And the one person giving commands needs to keep things straightforward and simple, not pulling a Daniel Shaver and making a suspect do the Hokey-Pokey before cuffing him.
ENB’s central point was to question the delay in releasing body cam footage? Why not release it immediately?
The police need to see an actual threat, not just a gun in someone's hand. It's their job to take risks so other people don't have to. If the police want people to see the whole story, they can release the video.
Their job is to ensure compliance while not compromising officer safety.
Taking risks is one of the few things that can get a cop fired.
A brave citizen can disarm a criminal with a gun without anyone getting hurt. Fully trained police officers show up, shoot an innocent harmless person. So the TRAINING is the problem.
What's the alternative? IDK, ask the guy they shot, because he had the situation resolved before the cops showed up and f***ed everything up.
Some important context was left out of this piece about the police shooting.
Most relevant is that about 25 minutes before Green was shot by police, there had been a fatal shooting a half block away (about 200 feet) by a gunman who was "in the wind" and the police were actively searching for him.
As well, police were responding to an explicit report of a altercation involving a man with a gun at the Taqueria where Green was shot.
It also appears that it was obvious to police that patrons were, understandingly, fleeing from the Taqueria suggesting that there was an active threat yet Green appears not to be fleeing but instead facing those trying to flee and holding a gun and may have reasonably appeared to police to have been blocking those trying to flee via the stairs.
Note also that Green, in the photos released, was holding the gun by its grip in a position for immediate use (although it does not appear his finger was on the trigger so perhaps exercising good trigger discipline) rather than, say, by the barrel which would suggest there was not intent to fire the gun immediately.
It will be interesting to see if the police had reliable information at that time about the murderer such as where he may have fled and, importantly, a description of the murderer. It will also be interesting how closely the description (race, build, clothing, gun he was holding, etc), if any, of the murderer matches Green.
Also this occurred around 3AM on a Sunday morning just a block south of San José State University which may, or may not, have had any impact one way or the other.
I will wait for the investigation to be completed and body cam video to be released to make any final conclusions about this but it may be that this is just the result of an unfortunate set of circumstances where everyone was acting reasonably within their training/skill and what they knew at the instant. Suppose Green had been the gunman and had killed a couple people (or more) due to police even momentary police hesitation to use lethal force to stop him. In that case I suspect many people would instead be complaining because police hadn't reacted with lethal force a few hundred milliseconds earlier.
Monday morning quarterbacking is easy, acting in life and death situations where 200 milliseconds can be the difference between life and death and having incomplete and conflicting information is quite different. This appears to me to likely have been an unfortunate sequence of events in which neither Green nor the police made serious mistakes and, fortunately, it appears Green was not severely injured.
(Although, perhaps there should be a police review of the fact that Green was, fortunately, not severely injured -- did the officer follow training and effectively stop Green per that training? Were the officer's shooting skills up to snuff? Police training is to stop the threat as quickly as possible and that is usually fatal - although fatality is not the intent.)
I would point out that in a case like this likely no officer had a Taser out nor would training suggest they should. This was a situation where the police had reason to believe that they were pursuing an active shooter who had just murdered someone. They were quite possibly going to have to enter the restaurant, fan out, identify the gunman and, if he posed a threat to others (including other patrons who were unable to flee), need to stop him ASAP. A Taser is completely inappropriate for use in such a situation and I'm sure would be contrary to SJ Police training. First, Tasers appear to "work", as in "stop" the target, about 50% of the time. Second, at best, they only hold two "rounds" (I don't know if SJ police use single shot or double shot models). Third, an officer can be carrying, ready to use, either a Taser or a far more effective firearm -- not both. If one or more responding officers had deployed their Taser instead of a firearm, that would have been one less officer ready to respond to the threat while and after entering the restaurant.
“Some important context was left out of this piece about the police shooting.”
No way!
"Note also that Green, in the photos released, was holding the gun by its grip in a position for immediate use (although it does not appear his finger was on the trigger so perhaps exercising good trigger discipline) rather than, say, by the barrel which would suggest there was not intent to fire the gun immediately."
Yes, you should always hold a gun by the barrel in an unsafe manner in case an agent of the state shows up. Dude! The 1st thing my dad taught me about using a gun is it is always pointing at the ground unless you are aiming at something you intend to shoot. I would never hold a handgun by the barrel.
Nothing you say justifies shooting an innocent person. Then you put salt in the wounds by blaming him for it.
"This appears to me to likely have been an unfortunate sequence of events in which neither Green nor the police made serious mistakes..." Really? 3 bullets in an innocent person and no mistakes were made?
It is really a problem with police training with the emphasis of police safety over citizen safety. Yeah, the cop may have done as he was trained: THAT'S THE PROBLEM!
I think the most telling thing is they refuse to release the body camera footage. I am not a blame the cops first poster, and generally look for context before rendering a decision, but in my experience if the cops were justified the department is falling all over itself to get the body cam footage released to the public. It's only when they think they're in the wrong, that they try to block access or delay access to it. By delaying access for 45 days, I conclude they are trying to let the furor die down before they release what is quite probably damning video for the officers involved.
Problem with cops is that you can't trust them to tell you the correct time, let alone fill out a report with something other than boilerplate and fiction.
I assume everything from an officer to be a lie until corroborated. Doesn't matter what it is.
Yeah, generalizations are the way everyone should live their lives, they never go wrong. SMH.
Some generalizations exist because they're true. Sure there are some individual officers who aren't walking garbage, but as a general rule it's safe to assume that anything a police officer says or writes is falsehood.
Not in my experience. Generally I've had good interactions with police. Yeah, I've run into two or three assholes, but the majority have been positive.
To me there is a difference in speaking your preference of how tax dollars should or should not be spent on library books or school textbooks, and getting Amazon to refuse to sell a book to a willing buyer.
Guess which side of the political spectrum does which one?
More to the point, which side does ENB and the rest of the Reason staff adamantly support?
There really is. The only area it gets murky. Is when tax dollars have intentionally been used to subsidize the market to such an extent, that a product cannot survive without it (see college education).
I still have yet to hear of concrete examples of conservatives actually banning books in recent years. If I go back over a decade I can find Catholic schools that banned the Harry Potter books for reasons that are ultimately silly, sure. But most stories I see about a banned book is something like Maus. It was part of the curriculum but some parents, even some teachers, didn't think the coarse language was appropriate for the grade level, so they pulled a different book from the state curriculum list to teach the same unit.
And THAT was a huge scandal that everyone was yelling about, too. It wasn't some minor story-simply using Book B instead of Book A had people freaking the fuck out. I think if people were actually banning books of value from people entirely, it would be a huge deal we'd never hear the end of.
The rare exceptions are a couple of uber-progressive districts that have yanked things like Huckleberry Finn and To Kill a Mockingbird from their school libraries. Even when you hear about those, though, it's often just a case of pulling it from the curriculum (though pulling Huck Finn from required reading lists is a true tragedy.)
You clearly don't understand the life-shattering trauma that students of color experience every time they read the N-word. It is literally as great as the trauma Jehovah experiences every time someone says "Jehovah."
OK, but why line up behind either of the two major parties? Why be a liberal or a conservative?
Liberals try to shut down sales of books they consider politically incorrect. Conservatives pass laws banning books they consider immoral at the state level rather than restricting themselves to being involved in their own school district, meaning they are trying to make book decisions for other parents’ kids.
Conservatives pass laws banning books they consider immoral at the state level.
Find me one single example of this, please.
Google "conservatives ban books in school."
And find a bunch of misleading articles where that didn't happen. I'm looking for actual instances where conservatives passed a law, at the state level, to ban a specific book from schools.
I assume that the guys like Sarc and White Mike that write Trumptator fan-fiction got all their views on conservatives from Footloose.
Punch-dance the anger away and get on with living.
Sarc has been crowing about how dreamy George Will is the last few days.
Yes, you are correct. They haven’t done it yet.
They want to. Take Krause’s list of 850 books he is investigating school districts for possibly buying:
https://www.texastribune.org/2020/10/30/matt-krause-texas-schools-books/
Jesus, Mikey, try an article that was published after Biden was inaugurated if you want to prove your argument.
So Republicans want to ban some things and Democrats actually do get some things banned? I guess Republicans need to up their game if they want to beat the Democrats at the fascist races.
“OK, but why line up behind either of the two major parties?”
Some of us make judgements based on principles and the actual facts involved instead of what parties are involved.
The liberal side seems to be a lot crueler White Mike. Where conservatives try to pass laws based on morality, which though sometimes misguided, is a step in a positive direction. The Liberal side not only denounces the book but tries to get the author banned, de-platformed and disappeared if they can. The best example of this is what the LGBTQ community did to Abigail Shrier for Irreversible Damages
So, let's say liberals are worse than conservatives. That doesn't answer my question, which is: why support liberals or conservatives? That's a question about whether either "side" meets a minimum bar of being worth a decent person's, a libertarian's support.
My answer would be support the party you agree with. That seems to be the logic behind any of the need to keep something away from someone else. It's the logic used to keep Huck Finn out of children's hands. Rather than use it as a teaching tool for how far we have come as a nation since the book was written. It could also be used to teach the nuances of writing, as when some people call Jim N*Jim and others just call him Jim. Nuance is definitely a fading skill in our educational system. What's growing far too rapidly is judgement, and that is of others, not oneself.
For his good deed, Green wound up being shot multiple times by local police.
Remember Johnny Football Hero who strutted around like a peacock? The guy who never stood up for the weak, but would rather humiliate and cause pain to those who were smaller than him? That's the guy who joined the police department. Would you ever help that person? Would you ever even consider doing that guy a solid? He's the same piece of shit now that he was in high school. Never help a cop. Ever.
Poor sarc. We are getting a glimpse into his high school days.
To quote sarc "anyone who remembers highschool, or collage, or last week, or their daughter first arraignment want really there
Dude, get a grip.
"Remember Johnny Football Hero who strutted around like a peacock? The guy who never stood up for the weak, but would rather humiliate and cause pain to those who were smaller than him? Tha"
No. Because that guy only exists in movies about high school. Same as the nerd that gets shoved into the locker.
All cliches are based on fact.
Even ones about bad parents having children grow up who key cars?
All cliches are based on fact.
This message came from inside a locker.
It is not a cliche.
It's a movie trope. Not the same thing.
Where do you think writers get their ideas?
Out of their asses.
Child bullies become adult bullies, and many of them join the police department. Or do bullies only exist in Hollywood?
We were told you beat up all the bullies and the cops laugh about it.
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If you said that to me in public, and I put your internet-tuff-gai-ass in the hospital, the cops would laugh at you when you tried to press charges.
Cite?
You've never met a bully, never asked for help from the police, and don't know the difference between experience and fiction?
Does "life" count as a citation?
If you aren't a piece of crap person, not all cop interactions are bad.
Most people who aren't piece of crap people know a good cop and someone in the job to do good.
Maybe it is you who is the problem.
None of the bullies I knew in high school became cops. The people that did were good dudes.
Most of the bullies I knew in school ended up on the opposite side of the law than cops.
I'm trying to think of one who has not done time, and I can't come up with one.
Bullshit. Every single bully I knew in school grew up to become a left-wing activist.
That doesn’t preclude them from being cops, just saying.
the cops are the biggest gang and maybe not every cop is a thug individually, but a gang of cops are always thugs.
Show me a good cop and I'll show you someone who hasn't been forced out or someone who hasn't been corrupted.
Good people are not tolerated in that profession.
Just fucking lies right here.
Sarc, jeffy, and White Mike are cut from the same cloth. A libertarian slip-cover over a hardcore totalitarian core because they were too chickenshit to deal with bullies in their childhood. It seeps out like diarrhea from a leaky diaper when they get confronted on comments like this.
They hate Ashli Babbitt for the opposite reason. She was making herself heard in a way they know they never could.
• NBC News does a deep dive into the treachery of ICE's fake schools used to entrap immigrants.
Think you mean get immigrants intentionally using fake online schools to bypass student visa requirements. Fuck em.
Do you really need a college degree to run a delicious food truck?
No. But food trucks generally aren't on the Visa lists.
Considering the poor state of our education system, up through and including most BA degrees (and probably most MA degrees and PhDs in humanities) is it really fraud to offer a school that you don't need to attend and doesn't offer any coursework?
Want to point out this pathetic and dishonest framing from sullum yesterday.
Trump closed his speech by urging his followers to march on the Capitol in the hope of inspiring "the kind of pride and boldness" that "weak" Republicans like Pence needed "to take back our country."
Sullum intentionally cuts out the peacefully part of trumps speech in his diatribe yesterday. This is one of the most blatant dishonest takes ever made at Reason for political reasons. It is pathetic this magazine is supporting the creation of a felony from a speech by removing key words from a politician they dislike. It was absolutely pathetic.
It's sullum, even his mother can't stand him
Given that the Capitol had already been breached by the time Trump finished speaking and he was speaking at some remove from the Capitol, it's hard to see how Trump's words led to the breach. Time only flows in one direction and things that take place after other things can't very well be the cause of the first thing.
Many current events have altered the past, according to some.
But you haven't seen the movie of what REALLY happened. The one produced by a marketing firm, cuts and timeline created with a sense of creative license. That is the one Sullum uses to asses the Trump speech.
It is almost as if....the libertarians left Reason and left behind trash.
He's paid to hack out agitprop, so he does.
The FBI is now saying they don't know where Hunters laptop is even though they collected it.
https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/kevindowneyjr/2022/03/29/shocker-the-fbi-doesnt-know-where-hunters-laptop-is-n1585237
Doesn't mean it's not true, sadly.
Are we surprised?
Probably in the same place all those lost client records of Gislaine Maxwell's went to.
"UK police to issue first 20 fines over Downing Street lockdown parties"
https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/uk-police-issue-first-20-fines-over-lockdown-gatherings-downing-street-2022-03-29/
Who will be the first to go to gaol for not wearing a mask?
“When a brawl broke out in a San Jose, California, restaurant last weekend…”
Oh, man, it was at La Victoria. Have eaten there hundreds of times.
Need notarized proof you were there.
Yeah, I’m calling bullshit on that.
Is the Victoria's Secret catalog close enough?
He thought for sure he saw a nipple one time.
Citation?
What are the odds that the scary “ghost gun” becomes the media focus to take heat off of the po po?
No bet.
"Capitol rioter who waved Confederate flag pleads guilty"
[...]
"David Blair, 26, of Clarksburg, Maryland, pleaded guilty to a felony charge of obstructing a law enforcement officer during a civil disorder,.."
https://www.courthousenews.com/capitol-rioter-who-waved-confederate-flag-pleads-guilty/
That groups W bench is getting crowded with all those nuisance-creaters on it!
But U.S. officials are skeptical:
they want war so bad it's embarrassing to watch their propaganda and agitprop
I wouldn't say "embarrassing". Maybe "laughable". Ukraine and Russia are both saying this is a hopeful sign that they may be able to come to a negotiated end to the war and the US rushes in to throw cold water on the idea? Yeah, I think the mask is slipping a little there.
Well yeah? The USG wants the Russians to retreat with no concessions on the part of the Ukraine. That's not going to happen. So the USG is going to discourage any peace talks.
US officials want to turn Ukraine into Syria and eventually get regime change in Moscow
And this isn't mind reading, they've literally said these things
If the Ukrainians didn’t want to get invaded, they shouldn’t have dressed like that.
"New research shows women under age 30 are earning equal to or more than male counterparts in 22 major U.S. metro areas."
Now if they can get arrested and imprisoned more, and lose some years of longevity, we can finally have equity.
And go bald at 50 years old.
I'm pretty sure that means that men are the victims of systemic sexism in those areas. That's how this works, right?
https://twitter.com/silentsam74/status/1508992900440408068?t=2gwvWqmvErlKW8HPIIgcwQ&s=19
Relevant and timely advice from Daniel McAdams
[It's very simply, never, ever, ever in any regime the CIA wants to overthrow, never ever repeat their talking points.
Never criticize any regime the CIA wants to overthrow, full stop.
That is the Rockwell Rule, the Rockwell Doctrine, and it deprives the interventionists of the ability to say: "See? Even the libertarians agree that Qaddafi is passing out viagra or that Saddam is eating babies". They can say "oh, yea, the libertarians, they don't want to invade, but see? Even they agree".
So deprive them of that ability.
Caitlin Johnstone has a good way of saying it- "don't be a CIA mouthpiece".
I think that is very, very important and it's so funny because you do see these things at exactly the right moment that the CIA and the regime change machine wants you to say them.
When they're ramping up the heat on Iran, for example, all of a sudden, you'll have some young libertarian gal come out and say: "Iran is horrible, a despotism, they're socialist in their economy."
It always comes at that exact right moment.
If you're a libertarian and you participate in this you're a dupe or worse.]
OH, OH! nardz finds another tweet!
Stuff it up your ass; your head wants company.
Grumpy old man is still grumpy. More at 11.
Seriously, you'd been gone so long I thought you were dead. So disappointing.
Ideas!
Did sqrlvo, the WEF sucking dimwitted whose mind is almost completely gone from syphilis, not like this comment?
I assume he said something full of impotent rage and absolutely nothing else.
Let's hope the senile faggot finally improves his life by ending it.
OH, OH, nardz is upset at being called on his continuing bullshit!
Stuff it up your ass; your head wants company.
And BTW, asshole, no one here is interested in your erotic fantasies. Fuck off and die; make the world a better place.
RETARD FIGHT!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PeWMwrdFBw0
Cut it out you two. You're giving sarcasmic an erection and I know neither of you want to do that.
This isn't both sides, ML, I muted the syphilitic piece of shit but it continues to try to hijack all my posts.
You can ask him to just shut the fuck up for everyone's sake, but the malicious faggot is neither rational nor able to control itself.
Like how the crowd I have on mute tries to hijack all my posts with comments containing the word "you" in every sentence in an effort to hijack the conversation and make it about me instead of whatever the topic may have been?
SHOW US THE LIST!
This! Post the list, sarcasmic.
Must be Peek-A-Boo week. He's responding to everyone he claims to have on mute.
I've got the fuckers on mute. See me reply directly?
You can try it. Want me to put you on mute? I'll ever respond to you directly again.
You'll be one of the cool kids. Just ask.
C'mon fuckstick... Ask.
Asshole, you already claimed you muted me. I am now banning you from ever reading my comments. Fuck off to your pineapple under the sea.
This is obviously Tulpa because sarcasmic swears he's only about ideas.
Occasionally I unmute people thinking I was perhaps rash or something. I give them a chance to prove they're human beings, not Canadians or asshats.
Looks like I made a mistake with you. You're cool now. Cool like a steaming pile of shit.
See, ideas.
Are you talking about sarc?
"...but the malicious faggot..."
Poor asshole seems to think someone other than his mommy cares about his erotic fantasies.
Fuck off and die; make the world a better place.
"New focus on how a Trump tweet incited far-right groups before Jan. 6"
[...]
"Federal prosecutors and congressional investigators have gathered growing evidence of how a tweet by President Donald Trump less than three weeks before Jan. 6, 2021, served as a crucial call to action for extremist groups that played a central role in storming the Capitol..."
https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/nation-politics/new-focus-on-how-a-trump-tweet-incited-far-right-groups-before-jan-6/
Several weeks before that, he *thought* about it and that MUST be a crime, right?
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/600146-poll-trump-leads-biden-harris-in-2024-matchups
It looks more and more like 24 is Trump's election if he wants it. The establishment is really starting to panic over it. Honest to God, I think they might try a full on military take over to prevent it.
It is starting to look that way = the 2024 election
I don't see how they stop him. What are they going to say that they haven't already said? We have now lived the counter factual of Trump not being President and it is a complete disaster. If Biden were anything but the worst President in history and had even a modest amount of success, they could play on the reverse cult of personality of Trump hatred to get people to vote against him just to avoid all of the screaming and nastiness over it. Biden, however, has managed to literally screw everything he touches up. So, no amount of screaming and histrionics is going to save them this time.
I can hear the screaming already: “if you think it’s bad now, wait till trump is back!”
Since everyone lived the horrors of cheap gas, rising wages, low inflation, and no new wars, I am not sure that dog is going to hunt. Somehow in the face of world war and hyper inflation mean tweets just don't seem so bad anymore.
Nah, he’ll commit suicide by hamburger and two shots to the back of the head. (It’s the Clinton special but they hate him so much they won’t be able resist the hamburger part.)
It’ll be ruled a heart attack (or covid).
*Note to FBI: This is sarcasm you dense motherfuckers*
Meanwhile, in corporate America…
a school library system vendor has "begun working on" the ability to automatically notify parents when their kids check a book out of the school library and to allow parents to prevent kids their kids from checking out books on certain topics. this…………..sucks
— Talya Cooper (@talya_cooper) March 28, 2022
How is this a bad thing? Parents are the ones who should take responsibility for what their kids are exposed to, not government and not corporations. How can anyone complain about this feature unless they just want to indoctrinate kids against parents?
That's exactly why. Some people think parents should be the people making decisions on what their children are mature enough to be exposed to, and some people think that they should be able to enforce their personal preferences on other people's children. ENB falls into the latter camp.
“It takes a village”.
It takes a village Public Information Committee.
The gays are getting blamed for turning public schools into grooming operations for perverts. The truth is that it isn't the gays driving this. A few pervert gays are, but the real force is white women. It is white women who all want to have "trans" children and think sexualizing five year old kids is a great idea. ENB is a great example of the species.
Hey, how are the wine box soccer moms supposed to win the woke status race?
I used to make the joke that some day there would be a "transgendered Muslim" child of some rich white suburban couple and white progs all over America would make pilgrimages to the child like Sioux coming to see the White Buffalo.
It is not a joke anymore. It is the truth.
Did you see the leaking film of the Disney employee meeting? One of the top Disney Execs is some wine mom who says and I am not kidding "as the mother of one trans and one pansexual child..."
You have two kids and one is trans and the other claims to be a pansexual. I don't think the kids are the problem here. And I don't think that happens by accident. That woman groomed those kids to be screwed up so they could be her trophies. It is a new expression of Munchausen Syndrome.
"That woman groomed those kids to be screwed up so they could be her trophies. It is a new expression of Munchausen Syndrome."
It is 100% woke Munchausen's by proxy.
And yes the wine moms (AWFL's) are absolutely the problem in the country right now. Competing with one another for tolerance awards and virtue trophies. This is what happens when women get too much power.
Its been all downhill since we let women vote.
It really has. Every single thing that the critics of allowing women to vote said would happen, has happened.
They have mind melded with Joy Behar and compelled to do her bidding. The only way to deprogram them is to have a national shoe sale.
“ENB falls into the latter camp.”
How so?
Because kids are individuals too. I read a lot of, ahem, James Bond as a kid. My mom would have freaked. I remember one Sturgeon novel what graphically depicted "red wings". As a twelve year old it was quite eye opening. Should I have been banned from science fiction? Nope.
Part of growing up is growing beyond your parents, becoming your own individual. That means freedom to act without constant supervision.
I was a teacher briefly, and this is part of teaching, not to constantly snitch but to prepare the student for life as an individual. You can't do that when you're part of the helicoptering crew.
At some point you need to let your children dress themselves.
Kids sneaking around their parents to read the odd dirty book is one thing. Pervert librarians giving them books on the joys of anal sex and being someone's butt bitch is quite another.
And blowjobs to adult men. That book was a groomer special public purchase that Reason defended.
Did you see the video of the school board cutting off a parent for reading from a school library book because it was to graphic and the meeting was being broadcast where kids might be able to hear it. Her response was priceless something along the lines "just proves my point thank you".
"...this is part of teaching, not to constantly snitch but to prepare the student for life as an individual."
No it's not. Your only role in preparing students for life as an individual is to teach them the necessary academic skills. You have no other role in that process.
And thanks to the pandemic, more and more families are discovering that you're not even essential for the academic fundamentals.
thanks for proving my point brandybuck
"Part of growing up is growing beyond your parents, becoming your own individual. That means freedom to act without constant supervision."
This is nonsense on stilts. Should 12 year olds be out getting drunk? Should they be trying out new sexual acts on their friends? Should they be testing their preferences in automatic weapons?
Children are treated like children because they are not mature. Somebody needs to hold their interests in trust and guide them towards maturity where they can leave the nest and live life as fully autonomous adults.
That person holding their interests in trust is not a fucking librarian. It is not a teacher. It is the parent. They created the child (or accepted responsibility from the creator) and they are not only the BEST suited to identify the right content to expose them to, they are MORALLY justified with that privilege. Not the state. Not some lefty activist posing as a teacher. The parents.
So Brandy comes out on the wrong side, again. Shocker.
That was my reaction, too. This is a bad thing...why?
Life becomes a South Park episode...
"Gay Florida Kindergarten Teacher Worries On MSNBC He Won’t Be Able To Share His Love Life With Kids Anymore"
South Park "pajama day"
During fourth-grade class, Mr. Garrison introduces his new boyfriend Rick, explaining that they had met up prior and began to foster a new relationship. Rick thought that it was awkward to be showing up in Mr. Garrison's class, however the latter brushes it off and describes Rick as "nervous" and "shy". Rick then leaves on his own, promising to pick Garrison up after school. Garrison later mentions that after finding out he was still getting calls from another ex-boyfriend, Rick was understanding and allowed him time to process, but they still spent a night together embracing each other.
After the school declares an "Opposite Day", Rick returns to the class, being dragged by Garrison and appearing in pajamas.
They are still dating as of "Back To The Cold War", when Garrison explains to the classroom that they recently had a fight, but that Rick was completely in the wrong. The class is disinterested, more concerned about Vladimir Putin, however, Garrison misunderstands them and claims he did not fart while having sex with Rick.
"“We should be able to have discussions and that’s what we’re encouraged to do in kindergarten,” he said. “My kids do have questions. They want to know who my partner is in pictures outside of my classroom, and I should be able to speak to them.”
....
“Do you worry that you won’t event be able to talk about your own personal home life?” questioned the MSNBC host"
....
"“Absolutely,” he said. “You are 100% correct. That’s what we do as educators, we build relationships with our kids. And in order to build relationships, you talk about your home life, you talk about what you do on the weekends"
...
Ya I dont wanna know what kinda relationships you are trying to build, groomer.
I had fantastic teachers who were caring and kind growing up. I cant remember a single one of them mentioning their husbands. We had a couple hot young student teachers / substitute teachers. They never talked about their boyfriends or weekend life.
You know what they did do? Teach us how to do multiplication tables. How to read. Basic civics.
Cant remember a single personal detail about their lives, and didnt need to know that to respect them and learn from them. No one needed to know who was sticking a penis in them or cared.
I remember a few telling us they were pregnant, but that kind of became obvious after awhile. I do remember my Mom having a fit when my 1st grade teacher got a divorce half way through the school year and punished me for not using her maiden name after the divorce (my mother didn't care about the divorce part, because her own father was a divorcee before he married my Grandma and they had her, they both had kids from a previous marriage).
https://twitter.com/RepDianaDeGette/status/1508946104204861445?t=1ynXPVwekm3W-oig5Csdmw&s=19
BIG NEWS: We’ve called the CEOs of 6 major oil companies to testify before our committee next week. We’re not going to allow people to be gouged at the pump while companies report record profits. We need to know what’s causing these record gas prices & how to lower them now!
... is she seriously trying to pretend this is a mystery? We know why. Everyone knows why. Surely they know pretending that it's caused by gouging won't fly?
I thought the object was to make gas so expensive nobody would use it anymore. Do we no longer care about the climate?
She said they were going to find out how to lower the price of gas, not that they were going to actually do it.
They do this shit every time market forces come in to play, because their marxist creed of "it's always capital's fault when bad things happen" is the default setting.
Friendly reminder that the government makes way more on a gallon of gas than the oil companies do.
They also make about 13x the amount a grocer does on any given $100 worth of groceries I purchase.
And they 'win' the lottery every single week......
Not taking the side of big oil companies particularly, but when no one was traveling during the lockdowns and oil supply was very high relative to a low demand, we found no mystery as to why gas prices dropped very low. We also didnt care about anyone involved in selling or speculating on oil that were taking a bath.
The converse happens, we shoot ourselves in the foot by being reliant on foreign oil, supply/demand flips, and we act like this isnt how the market is supposed to work. It sucks but was predictable
White supremacy caused will Smith to slap Chris Rock.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/maiahoskin/2022/03/28/while-were-talking-about-will-smiths-behavior-dont-forget-to-also-talk-about-the-system-that-helped-create-it/
He was powerless.
Just like those southern cracker slave owners who made their slaves fight to the death. Every day.
Man, someone joked about this the other day, but I knew it was only a matter of time. :-/
I believe I called that first thing on Monday morning.
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If I dont see an article from Vox or Huffpo linking this to white supremacy or some kind of system of oppression, I will legit be surprised."
I would ask for my cookie, but honestly was basically a freebie.
If there was a bingo board for "News Sites Report on *Social Event*" the "It's white people's fault" space would be in the middle.
Why do they keep repeating the rather obvious lie that Jada shorn her head because of alopecia? Treatments don't require it.
She and her husband are worth a few hundred million dollars. I think she can afford a weave. Or a hat. Or just to get it styled in a way that covers any bald patches. Cutting your hair short (or off) is about the dumbest thing you could do.
We should dub this - Refusal to Combover Syndrome. From the lefty response above, it can surely by linked to TDS.
The Great Resignation. What I think happened is this: Some young kids figured out they could easily live off of the pandemic dole. Even after it ran out they could milk mom-n-dad for a while. But only for so long. The dole isn't permanent unless you're a mom with kids, so eventually the money runs out. And so they crawl back to work. I'm actually starting to see some teens and twenty somethings working in grocery stores, instead of it being staffed by all oldsters and immigrants.
I’ve said this before, but I don’t find the government jobs reports that useful because they don’t distinguish between low-skill, low-paying jobs and career-ish jobs. In my mind, those two types of jobs aren’t the same type of animal at all.
Everyone, despite their lack of skills and ability deserves a career job.
The pandemic dole was only good for a few months. The rest is from crypto gains and meme stock gains, which are dicey at best. Back to work.
https://twitter.com/emeriticus/status/1509164305996038157?t=pA3Via2zyj5Zrkrgrq30nA&s=19
The president of BlackRock calls Americans who don't want to pay $10 a gallon for gas or not be able to feed their families "entitled"
I support eating the rich during these difficult times
[Link]
Can we start with the rich who support Democrats?
Can we simply start?
We're just watching while they destroy our capabilities.
Yes, you can start. Just don't buy or use their products.
If enough people agree with you and prefer to pay more for less, do without what are now considered by some to be basic necessities, eschew most or all of the internet, eschew "evil big pharma" by refusing to buy or use their lifesaving medications, and generally live more like people did a few hundred years ago, the rich will wither away.
Will you be better off without a phone (even a landline), internet access (let alone Amazon, Google, social media sites, and Reason.com), HVAC, ICE or electric vehicles etc? That depends on how much you value "screwing the successful people" and how much you valued those things that successful entrepreneurs, funded by investors, have developed and nurtured.
The good news is that you won't miss many of the things that you've decided not to use because you will be working on your farm/ranch from dusk to dawn just to struggle by without modern equipment and supplies and wouldn't have time to post on Reason.com, stream video, talk on the phone, drive or fly anywhere even if all those options were available to you.
Movements start with one person -- put yourself out there and be a leader that inspires others to devolve their lifestyle by a few centuries (if you can fit that evangelism into your now very busy "working dusk to dawn just to survive" lifestyle).
"Keep putting your head in the sand and hope totalitarians will magically just stop pushing"
BlackRock and the DNC and WEF are essentially the same thing, so yes.
https://twitter.com/bhweingarten/status/1509121194913632263?t=kNbZ6wruMFmHMvtX60NPjg&s=19
They want a president jailed. They want a Supreme Court Justice impeached. They want members of Congress disqualified from running. They want lawyers who represented said president in election suits ruined, shunned in their communities. Do you see what’s going on?
They are very afraid of Trump.
They're trying to save democracy. By removing people from the ballot.
Sure, sure.
The Ghost of Kyiv killed hundreds himself, the Snake Island martyrs haunted thousands into suicide, and hordes of Lviv Waifu have destroyed all the Russian tanks.
https://twitter.com/gbazov/status/1508875144952958986?t=FHRvLLHbJNMnho0K69dTAA&s=19
Damn, threading fail!
And removing people from society. Democracy is not for everyone.
"California group votes to limit reparations to slave descendants"
[...]
"California’s first-in-the-nation task force on reparations has decided to limit state compensation to the descendants of free and enslaved Black people who were in the U.S. in the 19th century, narrowly rejecting a proposal to include all Black people regardless of lineage..."
https://www.pressdemocrat.com/article/news/california-group-votes-to-limit-reparations-to-slave-descendants/
The CA constitution specifically outlawed slave-holding on adoption, not by amendment, and now CA taxpayers are to be charged some amount to atone for, well, not being black?
It'll be interesting to see how the Supreme Court rules on this, affirmative action, college admissions and the voting rights act. It's looking like they may shut it all down.
Good. You can't fight discrimination and racism with discrimination and racism.
Hopefully they will throw it all in the "actual racism" bin
If someone's smart, they'll sue on the basis that it is not open to everyone who was a slave in America, and thus is race based, not based on specific harms encountered by your ancestors.
If California actually tries to seize money from one group of people and give it to another group of people who look different, just based on that, I expect a mass exodus.
I for one will leave immediately. It's already gotten bad enough but this would definitely be a last straw.
https://twitter.com/bungarsargon/status/1509159074088292361?t=n2FKelw5vk7H6WPID-vG-Q&s=19
When faced with a journalist doing ACTUAL JOURNALISM, asking the President of the United States to clarify what he meant when he said the U.S. would meet a chemical attack "in kind," Colbert's response is to mock the reporter for not being cool and advocate violence against him.
It's so revealing about how they see journalism and why our liberal media is so broken. Being a journalist today means never questioning the President and aspiring to be called cool by millionaires and their affluent progressive audiences. Failing to do so deserves violence.
The President literally said we would answer a chemical weapon in kind. What does that mean? Surely Americans have a right to know!! But if you are a reporter and you ask what he meant by that, you deserve to be slapped. You can't make this stuff up.
[Video]
Cool millionaires slap each other on live TV.
Jon Stewart is guilty of a lot of crimes against humanity but none worse than giving Colbert and Samantha Bea careers.
Add John Oliver to that and you have a trio of some of the worst liberal hacks
POTUS Biden is a walking gaffe machine. Hope he doesn't fuck up peace negotiations between Russia and Ukraine with more gaffes.
How about if Biden fucks up peace talks with overt and covert policy?
I would like to know as we've destroyed all our chemical weapons and have no one trained to use them anymore. When we banned chemical weapons and began destroying them, our policy was that use of chemical weapons would be answered with nuclear weapons, so it is valid to ask what he meant. That's been US policy since Carter.
Russian Ambassador:
There were those of us who fought against this. But in the end, we could not keep up with the expense involved in the arms race, the space race, and the peace race. And at the same time, our people grumbled for more nylons and washing machines. Our Doomsday scheme cost us just a small fraction of what we'd been spending on defense in a single year. But the deciding factor was when we learned that your country was working along similar lines, and we were afraid of a Doomsday gap.
Muffley:
This is preposterous! I've never approved of anything like that!
Russian Ambassador:
Our source was the New York Times.
Russia pledged to "drastically reduce" troops around Kyiv and Chernihiv,
Ukraine was already doing that for them.
I am not sure what is funnier, watching the intelligence "experts" hmm and haw trying to explain why they so grossly over estimated Russia's military competence or the various alt right trolls explaining how every video of a Ukrainian farmer towing off a Russian tank with his tractor or Russian convey ambushed and turning around and running is just "fake news propaganda" to hide the fact that everything is going the way Putin planned it.
The alt right has really showed themselves to be the nerdy mirror of the far left on this one.
Sure, Ukraine is winning here LOL
Keep eating up the propaganda
Russia is getting its ass handed to it. There is no other way to describe it. The best case for Russia is that this is France in October 1914 where the invader failed to achieve the quick victory it was hoping for but still occupies a lot of territory and the invaded country was able to stop the invader but is too weak to evict them from its territory.
sad to see the normies eating it all up.
The facts are what they are. I am kind of a nut about this stuff and follow it closely. I have a lot of friends who do as well. And no one with any military expertise or experience thinks the Russians are winning or have been anything but a disaster.
It is what it is.
I have ten years military experience, plus am 4th generation Army. Russia is hardly losing, yes they have underperformed but they are hardly losing. They retain all the initiative, Ukraine remains almost completely on the defensive and their few counteroffensives have mostly been to small to matter. Yeah everyone is crowing about Russia redeploying a few troops from Kyiv, but it's really just Russia consolidating forces. It's hardly a withdrawal. Even with the few troops redeployed Ukraine remains incapable of turning back the forces already surrounding Kyiv or any other major city.
Just for shits and giggles, what is your military background?
Russia is doing a repeat of the Winter War at this point.
Sure, sure.
The Ghost of Kyiv killed hundreds himself, the Snake Island martyrs haunted thousands into suicide, and hordes of Lviv Waifu have destroyed all the Russian tanks.
https://twitter.com/gbazov/status/1508875144952958986?t=FHRvLLHbJNMnho0K69dTAA&s=19
Propaganda happens in war. Most of the things you think you "know" about history and especially wars isn't true or the entire truth. That being said, the truth still exists. Just because some things are not true doesn't mean other things, namely that the Russians are getting their asses handed to them, can't be true.
It could be true, but let's compare evidence.
We have on the one hand a Russian force that is steadily advancing toward their stated objectives.
On the other hand, we have a Ukraine government (and it's State Department/corporate media allies) who have demonstrably lied far more often than they've told the truth (to the point of posting video games and trying to pass it off as real footage) and have done little but act desperate: constant begging for foreign intervention, conscripting the entire male population, releasing and arming violent convicts, outlawing opposition political parties and consolidation of all media into government control.
You'll have to forgive me for not taking the covid-style coverage from our government/media at face value.
The Russian forces are not steadily advancing. They have been stalled outside of Kiev and Kharkov and Maripal for weeks now.
And you can watch the drone films and there are a lot of tells for how badly things are going for the Russians. There is film after film of Russian armored columns just rolling up the highway with no scouting or infantry support who are then ambushed. If that is not bad enough, once there is contact, the column just turns around and goes back the other way. The first rule of ambushes is to fight your way through them. All those tanks have to do is fire into the area where they ambush came and the guys in the ambush are dead. Yet, they don't do that? Why? Because they don't have the leadership or the motivation to do it. Those films show that Russian soldiers are just mailing it in and going to contact and turning around.
You can also tell they have problems because of the huge number of high ranking officers that have been killed. That is not propaganda. The Russians themselves admit these guys have been killed and hold them up as heroes. Why are generals and colonels being killed? The reason is they are done doing the job that company grade officers and NCOS should be doing. The most dangerous job on the battlefield is company grade officer. They can't just keep their heads down. They have to move and lead from the front and that gets them killed. That colonels and generals are doing that shows how broken the Russian Army is.
The numerous films of abandoned working Russian equipment also shows how badly they are doing. Good armies don't just abandon equipment. They either leave it guarded or if they can't, they disable it in some way. It appears that Russian soldiers are just walking away from working equipment and leaving it in the field. That is not what armies that are winning wars do.
Third, this is not a surprise to anyone who has been paying attention. Azerbaijan absolutely hammered a much larger Armenian army that used Russian equipment and doctrine. They did it with Javelin missiles and TB2 drones they bought from Turkey and Israel. The Russians do not have the electronic counter measure capability to deal with the TB2. That fact was shown in the Nagorno Karabakh in 2020 and it is showing now.
There is zero evidence for this being anything but a total disaster for the Russians. Have they occupied some ground and made some advances? Sure. But they threw like 200,000 troops at the country. You are going to take something by shear mass alone.
Whatever you think of the merits of either cause has nothing to do with the operational situation. Ukraine could be the worst nation ever and a tool of globalhomo and still be winning the war. One has nothing to do with the other. Why people think it does and that because they think Putin is on the side of right somehow means he can't be losing the war is beyond me.
Yes, the media does lie. But sometimes they don't have to lie because the facts are what they want them to be. So, you can't just say "the media lies therefore this can't be true.'.
They have Mariupol, have eliminated Azov as a cohesive force, and have cut off half the Ukrainian military in the east. Kiev was a feint to keep Ukrainian forces occupied.
Read the thread I linked.
I do think Ukraine has been a tougher nut to crack than the Russians (or anyone) thought it would be, however, I am not convinced Ukraine is doing anything more than losing slowly. Russia is redeploying troops, it would be interesting to see where they are going to. Could they be massing for a push to finally reduce Mariopul? Or just securing their gains they've already made as part of the negotiations? I do think whatever the case, Putin's actions have backfired on him. He may get some or even most of what he wants from Ukraine, but he's solidified NATO resolve, likely convinced multi-decade neutral Finland (and possibly Sweden) to join NATO (rather you think that's a good thing or not is besides the point) and hurt his economy (and most of the rest of the world's in the process). There is no denying that command and control, especially logistics, have been extremely problematic for the Russian military (again a rather old story, they've almost always have been throughout history). The one thing I haven't seen is stories about the Ukrainians taking large numbers of POW. That usually occurs when you are winning and the enemy is demoralized. I also haven't seen stories of the Russians taking large numbers of POW, either.
Every side in a war is "losing slowly". Every day in a war costs you lives and money and gets you one step closer to running out of both. The question is who is losing the least slow. And it is not at all clear which side that is right now.
Ukraine could be on the verge of collapsing. Only the Ukrainians know if that is true. The same could be said of the Russians. It is entirely possible that they are running out of ammunition and are on the verge of their forces collapsing and just heading for home; think the German Army in October of 1918, lots of people in the field but no will or organization left to put up a fight.
To say that you are sure Ukraine is losing requires you saying that the Russians are capable of staying in the field and waging war and won't collapse themselves. And that is not something anyone can say with any certainty.
Ukraine has lost more than 10% of it's population either through refugees or battle casualties. You can't keep that up indefinitely. Russia consolidating it's forces is probably a smart thing to do based on Ukrainian resistance. I just don't think a country of 40,000,000 people can resist a country of 140,000,000 nor given the disparity in Russian military and Ukrainian military. Russia's military might be fucked up, but sheer weight of numbers could be the deciding factor.
It's possible Russia could collapse before Ukraine, but I think it's highly unlikely. They, the Russians, have done a piss poor job securing their rear, which only compounds their already shaky logistics, but if this force consolidation is any indication, they might be trying to address that.
I think it is very likely. The Ukrainians have nowhere else to go and it is fight or submit. The Russians can always go home. That makes a big difference in the will to fight.
That's the case in any offensive war. I don't buy the Ukraine is going to win, even as I admit Russia has vastly underperformed. It's always a possibility, but I believe it's a distant possibility. Short of a massive military coup, Putin isn't going to just back out. His brand has always been the strongman and strongmen can't back down. I've often wondered how much Biden and other western leaders jingoism played into Putin's decision to invade. Once they started announcing he was going to invade (and even announcing dates) if he didn't invade it would appear as his appeasing the west, which could have been politically fatal to him. It's possible he always wanted to invade, but it is also entirely possible he was massing troops to pressure Ukraine, and only decided to invade once the west made it a fait accompli. I doubt we will ever truly know for sure. Based upon the Russian completely confusing strategy to date, I do wonder if the invasion was part of the original plan. Of course this could be a case of poor Russian leadership, and that is entirely plausible as well.
If Russia was on the verge of collapse, you would expect Russian servicemen to be surrendering in droves, like the German did in 1918 and 1944-45. The lack of stories about massive Russian surrenders makes me question the validity of Russia is on the verge of collapse. Morale might stink, but the Russian soldier still seems to believe that they are not losing.
Ithink Putin's people are going to quit on him. They just don't have any desire to die trying to conquer Ukraine. At some point, the collective will to be there will just evaporate and that will be it.
The Ukrainians have access to endless supplies and are not going to run out of people willing to fight and die to stop the Russians. I think the Russians are going to lose. I don't see how they win.
"Ithink Putin's people are going to quit on him. They just don't have any desire to die trying to conquer Ukraine. At some point, the collective will to be there will just evaporate and that will be it."
This is the exact opposite of the situation in Russia. The war is seen as absolutely necessary, and "the world's" reaction has only strengthened that belief.
Yeah, Ukraine has spun some good stories, but burned out columns of tanks and trucks don't lie. Tanks were once the king of the battlefield, now they're a rolling deathtrap. You don't even need air superiority to wipe them out, just some cheap drones for reconnaissance and shoulder fired anti-tank missiles (100K a pop, but who's paying?) to reduce them to scrap metal.
Unsupported tanks have always been death traps, especially once shoulder fired rockets became a thing in the second world war. The coordinator between armor and infantry has been really shitty for the Russians. There's a reason why in the US Army artillery is king of battle, and infantry is known as the queen of battle. No matter how technical war gets, you still need that low tech 18 yo grunt with a rifle in his hand to win.
You need to have coordination and that is really hard. People think combined arms is easy because the US is the only ones who do it and we make it look easy. Ukraine is showing the world just how hard it is and how incredible the US is at doing it.
Battlefield coordination has been our strong suit since the second world war, hell it was a major difference between our tactics and European tactics during the first world war also. Using air and artillery to hit trenches, followed up by a mass armor attack supported by infantry was something the Europeans didn't do. They even told Pershing he was mistaken to use it, and the British refused to sell us their tanks because we didn't want to follow their doctrine of piecing out armor as infantry support. And the British and French still didn't change tactics during the early part of the second world war, despite what America achieved in the first world war and what the German blitzkrieg achieved. To be honest, the British never did really change, as they still designed their tanks as infantry support vehicles.
"but burned out columns of tanks and trucks don't lie"
Except when you photoshop a "Z" onto Ukrainian tanks to claim they're Russian, or photoshop out Russian soldiers standing in front of a tank to claim you've captured it
Yeah, it is all photoshop. That is why the Russians have taken Kiev. Come on. Stop it.
I'm not saying it's ALL photoshop, I'm saying we have many examples of it being photoshop.
Clearly, Ukrainian performance is being greatly exaggerated. That doesn't mean they are simply rolling over without inflicting losses, just that they are completely untrustworthy and our covid complex media is doing what they do.
https://twitter.com/lone_rides/status/1509155547228090369?t=ydn_iAW1l1pmF2kIvkoB_Q&s=19
Kids believe that a fat man slides down the chimney and leaves presents and that a woman with wings steals their teeth and leaves them money.
Don't tell me they can't be convinced they're not the sex/gender they are.
The groomer movement has latched on to Hitler's ideas about children. Teach them young and they'll not question it.
This isn't about acceptance. Not in the early grades.
It's about brainwashing and bending children to the will of the groomer.
Plant the seed that "love is love", then water that seed with "it's okay to be gay", then pluck the flower at "it's okay to love who you want, regardless of age."
Love is love. Sure.
It's okay to be gay. Okay.
Those are fine.
But they are being used to open the door to harming children.
And the fact that the LGBTQ communities aren't speaking out against it is damaging to their cause.
"Susie, I see you playing with the boys a lot. You like climbing trees. That's what boys do. Are you sure you're not a boy?"
And now Susie, a tomboy in any other time period, is questioning her gender and not sure she's supposed to be a girl.
"That doesn't happen!"
Maybe you should quit living in your bubble and join us in the real world.
^^this^^
This sort of behavior is well known. It is called "grooming". Get a kid who maybe doesn't come from the best home or doesn't fit in and start feeding him lies and giving him acceptance.
The most evil thing about this is that they are, as sickos always do, preying on the most vulnerable kids. Most of the kids claiming to be "trans" are some level of autistic. Think about. You are the autistic kid who doesn't fit in or fully understand social situations. So, you are constantly bullied and tortured by your classmates. You don't have any friends and you can't understand why or what to do about it. Then some sicko teacher comes along and tells you that you are "trans". If you become "trans", then every time a kid beats you up or picks on you, it is a hate crime. Suddenly you go from being the absolute outsider with no friends or hope to being everyone's darling and untouchable.
That is happening all over this country. It is the most evil thing I have ever seen.
There is no good excuse for bringing up sexual topics or gender nonsense with K-3 grade kids. Or probably K-9 to be honest. The only two possible reason would be indoctrination or grooming
No there is not. I can't believe the Democrats are going to die on this hill. They think that because they shoved gay marriage down the country's throat they will shove this too. I think they are woefully mistaken in thinking that. People objected to gay marriage but ultimately didn't care enough about the issue to change their vote. No one who was already voting Democrat was going to vote Republican over gay marriage. Gay marriage just didn't affect that many people.
This is different. This is screwing with people's kids. There are plenty of people who vote Democrat who are going to change their vote over this. The Democrats are going to turn Hispanics into a Republican voting block and blacks into a swing vote for a generation if they don't back off on this lunacy.
We had Sex Ed in 7th and 8th grades, and I went to a fairly conservative private school in the early '90s.
Of course, there were a lot fewer genders back then.
I feel like the X in K-X is negotiable. Id probably be fine with 7th/8th grade. Maybe 6th. 9 Felt like a safe range, probably too conservative.
But ya basic stuff. You are a boy, you have a dick, you put it in a girl and she may get pregnant.
Not "OK kids, today we are going to talk about 2-spirit gender people, queer pronouns, and pansexuals"
Most girls start puberty around age 11, boys around 12, that is 5th to 7th grade for most kids, so some sex ed probably is warranted at that time, but it should be basic, that's all we got. This is what is happening to your body and this is why. No talk about sexuality is needed. Gay and Bi people figured it out in the past without having someone teach them about it, they'll figure it out today also without needing to be taught about it. As for the talk, as ranch kids, my kids already had a pretty good idea where babies came from (and even before we started the ranch we never really hid it from them).
On a side note, when my oldest was about 7 (that's when his baby sister was born) and he wanted to know where babies came from, I just happened to be taking a 400 level animal reproduction class so I would give him the most scientifically accurate description of the process, complete with follicular waves and their impact on ovulation and spermatogenesis. He just looked at me like I was stupid and said "no, they come from Mommy".
That shit absolutely happens. An acquaintance's 11 year old daughter got asked at school if she was some flavor of genderfluid just because she got a haircut. Which actually drove her towards pondering whether she should stop doing traditionally boy activities, like watching Anime, because she didn't want people to think differently of her. And it's not like she's unaware that such people exist, she just didn't want to get lumped in with them for climbing trees and having short hair.
If only the average human, especially young ones, did not spend all their time worrying about what other people think of them. And if only the average human, especially older ones, did not spend all their time trying to control what other people think.
Another parent suggested that my 11 year old daughter is trans because she has short hair, plays hockey, wants to be an engineer or architect, and her best friend is a boy. She was not amused when I told her that was a very Victorian attitude about how women and girls should conduct themselves.
I never get invited to book club.
My daughter loves the color pink, loves makeup and loves gossiping (from the moment she gets home till bedtime it's a non-stop recitation of her day at school, complete with which of her friends is mad at her other friends and why). She also hasn't stopped bugging me about getting her into hunter's ed and loves to go fishing (although she only fishes for about twenty minutes before she is off doing something else, she doesn't have the patience for fishing). She has two older brothers who love to hunt and fish, so it's no real surprise she is into those things as well.
It's ridiculous because the feminists spent decades bitching about "gender roles" and equality with men, and yet these looney tunes trans activists are obsessed with gender roles. When my daughter starts puberty, she will probably hate her body for a while because things like bras and periods are not convenient when you're trying to play contact sports. That doesn't make her trans, it makes her normal.
My daughter was so excited when she got her first period, now she (and everyone else in the house) hates her period (thought my wife was moody, God, she has nothing on an 11 yo with PMS).
https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1509172679542194181?t=Y3JHM4MgJ-wO9__e3PO6Mw&s=19
This CNN article comes close to saying: don't worry, we're only arming the moderate Nazis in the Azov.
DNC/corporate media absolutely sees a MAGA hat as a more reliable sign of neo-Nazism than Ukrainian swastikas, black suns, and Stepan Bandera pics:
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The Ukrainians were Nazis during World War II. Had Hitler not been a psychotic lunatic and tried to murder them all, they would have happily joined up and helped him win the war against Stalin. This is nothing new to anyone who knows anything about Ukraine and its history.
That said, so what? That doesn't make it okay for Putin to invade or the Ukrainians wrong for fighting to defend their country. It is not like Putin has a problem with Ukraine being Nazis or invaded for any reason other than just to take over and stomp the place.
The US has been funding, training, and arming war criminal avowed nazis for years now.
You misspelled "decades". You think everyone we funded during the Cold War were nice guys? We were allied with Stalin to defeat Hitler for God's sake. Again, so what?
If Putin wants to be the good guy here, he shouldn't have invaded.
Thinking in terms of "Good guys" and "Bad guys" isn't really useful.
What business is Ukraine of yours?
It is not. But, they have a right to defend themselves from an aggressive invasion and I have no problem with helping them do that. I don't want to fight for them but I see no problem with enabling them to defend themselves.
They do have a right to defend themselves, but I have a HUGE problem in our government giving them resources confiscated from Americans at gunpoint to put us in greater danger with 0 possible benefit to the American people. Especially if the factions our resources are used to fund, train, and arm are violent extremists who have been committing horrific war crimes, against people who just want independence, for nearly a decade.
Ukraine's corrupt government/oligarchs have been getting billions from the US taxpayers, laundering much of it back to our corrupt oligarchs (Ukrainians were the largest European donors to the Clinton Foundation, Burisma, Metabiota, etc), offer the American people absolutely nothing, demand more while whining that we aren't giving them enough, and risk using us in war for, again, no possible benefit whatsoever to the American people.
To be honest, based on effects, Ukraine is a MUCH bigger enemy of the people than Russia is.
Our government gives those resources to about a million different worse things than Ukraine. So spare me your tears over that.
No, it really doesn't.
Which of those other things has the potential to spiral into nuclear war?
And I thought libertarians were against foreign intervention?
Please, tell me the possible benefits of Ukraine to Americans?
Why should I be happy sending people who interfered in our politics my resources?
.. he shouldn't have invaded.
That’s it in a nutshell.
Religious conservatives were Nazis during WW2. The pre-HUAC Dies Committee investigated them. Joe Kennedy, "our" ambassador, wore out his welcome in England begging the Brits to surrender to Hitler. Hitler, after all, was raised by a Catholic mom. See also Battersby's "The Holy Book of Adolf Hitler"
Younger women have closed the pay gap or are outpacing their male counterparts ... as gains in higher education and more transparency about what people earn help defy entrenched disparities.
Any contribution due to increasing numbers of transwomen in the workforce?
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Came here to ask this
How much does it play into the equation that women are having babies much later in life? The survey looked at women 18-30, in 2018 the mean age of women at first birth was 26. We know one of the biggest reasons for difference in wages between sexes is childbirth. So who would have guessed as women increasingly wait until the late twenties or early thirties to have children that the wage disparity between men and women under 30 would disappear.
The article talks about how the pay gap widens again as women have kids. Go figure, being not at work cuts into your career progression.
They have a new phrase (or one I hadn't heard until I read it today) for that, it's called pregnancy discrimination and child rearing discrimination, and wouldn't you know the answer is paid family leave and federal child care and laws against discrimination based on child care and pregnancy?
there's *almost* a case on point ... but police shot a soccer player that time, so ...
If you have a gun, or something that might look like a gun, the police are allowed to shoot you. Why is this so hard to understand?
You forgot: They're also allowed to shoot you if you're reaching for your wallet (to pull out your driver's license or concealed-carry permit), because it is conceivable that you could be pulling out a gun.
Or if you are holding your cell phone. You might be calling in a drone strike.
If you have a gun, or something that might look like a gun, the police are allowed to shoot you.
Normally, I would think this was sarcasm, but Molly is stupid enough to believe this.
But how does race factor in?
Skin color is always the most important thing .
You shouldn't run with scissors. Or guns.
a lot of jurors act the same way though
The case law from district court to SCOTUS shows that I am right. Cops get a free pass. You might not like it but it is true.
It's not hard to understand. But that's the problem. The police shouldn't get a pass on shooting someone just because they saw a gun.
I never said they should, only that they do.
https://twitter.com/martyrmade/status/1509015387215704069?t=BVoGjYCgOyB29XEFJSx83Q&s=19
Let me get this straight: in order for Ukraine to sign a deal w/Russia, America must promise to defend Ukraine in perpetuity? Look, I know you people have spent a lot of money bribing our politicians, but make peace or don’t as you please. America owes you nothing.
"Peace talks in Istanbul: in exchange for its neutrality, #Ukraine wants security guarantees analogues to NATO's article 5 – if attacked, it has a right to demand consultations, and if diplomacy fails, signees of the agreement must provide military aid and "even close the sky".
#Crimea – Ukraine and Russia would agree to continue negotiations about the status of the occupied peninsula for another 15 years.
#Donbas – to be discussed at a potential Zelenskiy-Putin meeting.
Ukraine suggests holding a referendum on this agreement. If the public supports it, it will have to go through ratification in UA parliament and the parliaments of the states-signees.
The signees would also have to support Ukraine's accession into the EU.
Ukraine would agree to not have any foreign military bases or contingents on its soil. It will be a neutral country, and will drop its NATO aspirations."
The Ukraine is entitled to all the guarantees that Austria got in 1955 when we and the Russkies agreed to its permanent neutrality.
The billions of $s taken from regular Americans isn't enough?
Now it's "entitled" to US military commitment?
When did Ukraine become a US state?
And why are we acting like its vassal?
Russia pledged to "drastically reduce" troops around Kyiv and Chernihiv, in face-to-face talks between Russian and Ukrainian officials. Russia's ministry of defense announced afterward that it would "reduce military activity" to "create the necessary conditions for further negotiations."
I'm hearing a fair amount of discussion on this that counters the western media narrative on how things are going in Ukraine for the Russians. Based on my read of the situation, it seems that the Russians are getting a lot of what they want in this conflict which will end up looking a lot like the Minsk II agreement which the EU spent the last 7 years attempting to torpedo.
A few analysts have pointed to the fact that the Ukrainians have come to the painful realization that they won't be entering NATO and are now more willing to broker a deal with the Russians to avoid further devastation.
It's pretty damn evil what our oligarchs have done with Ukraine. Forget the initial coup and empowering of extremist paramilitaries even. Just encouraging them to break the Minsk agreements, leading government on about how involved NATO would get, and selling EU membership to the population - all to turn Ukraine into Syria.
Anyway, pretty good thread if you want analysis of the military situation:
https://twitter.com/gbazov/status/1508875144952958986?t=8RcgNCTEWhzRbki48o6Ywg&s=19
#ANALYSIS—#UKRAINE—#RUSSIA—27 Tweets
Most important statements of #Russia|n military campaign were made on the battlefield and will continue to be made there, not by the diplomats, like #Medinsky, or even hawks, like #Kadyrov. They will continue to be made by the military. 1/27
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Here is what both sides of this debate don't get; Putin and Biden are on the same side. Biden is right now setting up an Iranian deal that will give Russia billions by allowing it to build nuclear reactors for Iran.
The most important event that everyone missed was when Biden offered to evacuate the Ukrainian government the Saturday after the invasion. Why would he do that? Evacuating the government would have caused the entire Ukrainian army to collapse. You don't evacuate the government until you have no other choice and you never publicly offer to do it. The only reason he could have had for doing it so publicly was because he wanted Ukrainian resistance to collapse.
Biden invited Putin to invade. Remember the "limited incursion" remark? The Ukrainian President told Biden to calm down and that there wasn't going to be an invasion. Yet, Biden kept inviting it and Putin finally did.
I think the plan was for Putin to invade and Biden to let it happen. They both thought Russia would roll over Ukraine and it would be over in a couple of days and Biden throw up his hands and pretend to be upset but ultimately do nothing just like Obama did when Putin took Crimea.
The problem was it wasn't over in a couple of days. The Russian Army sucks and Ukraine to the surprise of many including myself, turned out to be a real country. It wasn't some corrupt artificial creation of the fall of the old USSR. It is a real country whose people are willing to fight and die to defend. So, the whole thing blew up in their faces. And Biden now has a big nasty war on Europe's doorstep and two million refugees in Poland. So, he couldn't throw up his hands and pretend to be upset. He had to actually support Ukraine and confront Russia. And here we are.
I would be dollars to doughnuts that is what happened.
It's possible they're on the same side, we'll see.
Fact is that my money is only being given to one side though- the piece of shit who's ok with getting his people slaughtered and pushing Great Reset bullshit.
Peace under any conditions that don't commit the US is the best outcome Americans can hope for. The longer this goes, the worse it is for everyone except the people who are currently waging war on us.
Maybe the invitation was extended and the bait taken and the plan all along was to crack down on the Russian economy to try to force regime change.
At least that's the optimistic reading, assuming the USA has competent leadership, possibly not a safe assumption.
You mean donuts to dollars.
> It's pretty damn evil what our oligarchs have done with Ukraine.
It's pretty damn evil what our oligarchs have done with all of Eastern Europe, including Russia, for the last 30 years. The folks who run things over here could have worked to just make the whole pie bigger, instead of just trying to grab whatever chunk of what was already there they could get their hands on, and pushing to make sure the world was unstable and in conflict so they could sell more military hardware. We didn't have to be here.
Correct, but the goal since the fall of the USSR has always been one government to rule the world.
Went well at first with Yeltsin, but an (possibly) independent, nationalist Russia with more nukes than anyone else is a big roadblock to those ambitions.
Saw that Fink from blackrock said the other day that Russia invading Ukraine was “the end of globalization”. Somehow I doubt that.
The problem with that spin is that Ukraine hadn't asked or been invited to be in NATO. If Putin's real goal was to keep Ukraine out of NATO, he would not have invaded. The threat of invasion is what prevented that. You don't invade now. You wait and hold the threat of invasion over everyone's head. If Ukraine ever asked to be in NATO or NATO ever offered, then you invade.
So, keeping Ukraine out of NATO wasn't Putin's goal. He could have done that without invading and just threatening to. His goal was the absorb Ukraine back into Russia and then us it as a base to start threatening Poland and the rest of Eastern Europe.
He isn't going to accomplish that. Worse, Ukraine will never be "neutral" no matter how many agreements say it will. Thanks to Putin invading, it will now always be a hostile power on Russia's border. It not being a formal part of NATO doesn't change that or make it any less of a disaster for Russia.
Lastly, the whole affair has shown the Russian military to be a paper tiger. Ironically, this is going to cause Europe to start arming itself more. I think one of the reasons the Europeans haven't spent much on defense is because they figured that there was no way to ever build an army that could stand up to the Russians, so why bother? Why spend money on an army that is going to be road kill for the Russian army and the result will be the same as it would have been had you spent nothing? Ukraine has shown that is not true. If Ukraine can build an army that can stop Russia so can everyone else.
This whole thing is a total disaster for Russia. Worst strategic mistake since the Tsar entered World War I. There is no way to spin it otherwise.
His goal was the absorb Ukraine back into Russia and then us it as a base to start threatening Poland and the rest of Eastern Europe.
Do you make extra money on the side as a mind reader?
Russia already has a border with Estonia and Latvia, and a friendly dictator in Belarus bordering Poland and Lithuania.
I agree that the invasion was a mistake. Other countries are a lot less afraid of the Russian army now than they were a month ago.
You don't have to read minds. They said it. Why else would you invade the entire country instead of just break off peace of it?
Ask Winfield Scott.
"His goal was the absorb Ukraine back into Russia and then us it as a base to start threatening Poland and the rest of Eastern Europe."
Yea, that's what TV and the State Department keep saying.
It sure as hell isn't what the Russians have been saying, which is the same now as it was 8 years ago.
It's like a parody of 'art of the deal', except, when perpetrated IRL, is a self-own. 'Normally', the aggressor opens the negotiation with impossible demands that he has no intention of having met and ends up getting exactly what he wanted. In this case, the sub is pretending that demands that the aggressor never made were unrealistic so that they can give him exactly what he wants and still claim it as a win for themselves.
Russia's backing down! Of course, we're in talks to give them exactly what they wanted and they're backing down from occupied territory that they don't claim except for neutrality... but they're backing down!
It's amazing, and horrifying, to watch so many people fall for it
They could have just taken the territory and stopped. To say that they are getting what they wanted is to say that they attacked and took all of these casualties for fun or something.
You people are delusional. This has been a disaster for Russia. Maybe that is a bad thing. I don't know. But, it is what it is regardless.
They are going to get more from Ukraine than Ukraine wanted to give them. They probably won't be able to overthrow the Ukrainian government and institute one to their liking (which I think was more their goal than outright conquest of Ukraine) but they are getting Ukrainian neutrality and probably independence for the two breakaway regions and Crimea, and probably a land bridge between the two areas as well. In the long run, though, Russian actions have probably resulted in Finland joining NATO, a revitalized and cooperative NATO, and serious economic harm. So, I think they've gained a little for losing a whole lot more. If they had stopped at occupying the two breakaway provinces or if the war had been quick, they probably would not have paid such a hefty price, but Ukrainian resistance and their own incompetence (and apparent lack of a strategy other than head long charge on multiple fronts hoping for a quick Ukrainian collapse) has resulted in this being a long term strategic loss for the Kremlin. On the flip side it's not been much of a strategic win for the US or our allies either, as Diane points out in the post below. China is the biggest winner from this whole situation.
But a whole lot less of Ukraine than they could have had for free. Biden invited them to break off another piece for free. They decided not to do that and instead went for the whole thing and are now stuck in this mess. You can't spin that in any positive way.
I am not spinning it in a positive way. And the Ukrainians said they wouldn't give up those regions and Biden wasn't really offering them (especially since the Ukrainians said they wouldn't agree even if Biden did offer them). No, Russia will get more than Ukraine wanted to give, and there was no guarantee Ukraine would have given anything. I definitely am not pro-Putin but I don't see Ukraine giving up territory they didn't want to give up as a win for them. As for invading the whole country, that's what we did in the Mexican-American war. It's what Russia did in the Winter War. It's actually a common strategy, historically speaking.
They invaded with a force outnumbered by Ukrainian enlisted, not counting paramilitaries.
They needed to keep Ukrainian forces occupied elsewhere, like around Kiev, to keep them from joining up with Ukrainian regiments in the east.
To get Donbass, Russia had to threaten Kiev.
Bullshit. Dunbass borders Russia. They could have rolled in and just held the place unopposed. Stop making excuses. It is pathetic.
They have had troops in Donbas and Crimea for almost a decade. The Ukrainians have refused to allow those regions to defect. I hardly support Nardz's take but yours isn't any better. When it comes to negotiations, historically, it's better to hold more territory than what you want. I can think of several wars where the invaders invaded the whole country to get control of a small portion, Mexican-American war, Franco-Prussian War, Winter war just to name a few.
The problem with that spin is that Ukraine hadn't asked or been invited to be in NATO.
That's simply not true.
You may not call that an 'invite to Nato' but I'd certainly call it flirting, making eyes at and buying drinks for.
So, keeping Ukraine out of NATO wasn't Putin's goal. He could have done that without invading and just threatening to. His goal was the absorb Ukraine back into Russia and then us it as a base to start threatening Poland and the rest of Eastern Europe.
I disagree with that. It very much appears his goal is to achieve neutrality for the Donbas region which is where the bulk of his military activity has been. Again, the Minsk II agreement is our guide.
This whole thing is a total disaster for Russia. Worst strategic mistake since the Tsar entered World War I. There is no way to spin it otherwise.
That may be true for the long term, but the invasion itself has been described as a massive disaster for the west, especially with its reversal on Nato expansion under Clinton, which Clinton initially affirmed he would abide by (Holding the line on NATO).
And by the Biden administration's own admission, the sanctions we've deployed against Russia are "going to hurt us domestically". If this is a disaster for Russia, why have I been asked to light my house on fire to spite Vladimir Putin?
Also, the West appears to be achieving the unthinkable: A united Russia, China and India against Western interests.
And Biden's disastrous response to this has been so bad that even pro-Biden newspapers in Europe are starting to notice.
The India thing pisses me off. India was a counterweight to China under Trump. An emerging economy with a large population, solid exploitable resources and an avid opponent to Islamic Fundamentalist terrorist in the region. Now, Biden has managed to sour that relationship too. He's pissed off the Arabs, he's pissed off Israel, and he's pissed off India. His statements last week have also angered our allies, especially France and Germany. At this point, I am starting to wonder if Biden is not just figuratively the Manchurian candidate, but literally, also. I'm so glad the adults are back in charge. Rolling my eyes.
I disagree with that. It very much appears his goal is to achieve neutrality for the Donbas region which is where the bulk of his military activity has been. Again, the Minsk II agreement is our guide.
If that was his goal, why didn't he just occupy that region and call it a day? He is taking thousands of casualties and going broke trying to take the entire country. You can't square that undeniable fact with your claim he just wanted part of the country.
That may be true for the long term, but the invasion itself has been described as a massive disaster for the west, especially with its reversal on Nato expansion under Clinton, which Clinton initially affirmed he would abide by (Holding the line on NATO).
It is a disaster because they were weak and caused Putin to miscalculate and think he could get away with it and ended up with a long and nasty war on their doorstep. That doesn't make it any better for Putin. This is another in the long line of examples of how weakness causes wars.
Also, the West appears to be achieving the unthinkable: A united Russia, China and India against Western interests.
I don't see any evidence of that at all. China still hasn't come up with the military aid Russia is asking for and India is as it always is neutral. That is just wishful thinking on that.
Putin just invaded Ukraine. It will never be neutral again. It will always be hostile. If this ends with there still being a Ukrainian nation, Putin has lost and ended up with a hostile nation on Russia's doorstep, something Russia has been trying to avoid since Peter the Great.
India isn't exactly neutral. They are creating back door currency exchanges with Russia to circumvent the sanctions and buying goods from Russia. They also are growing closer to China, as evidenced by a last minute, surprise state visit to India by a Chinese Ambassador, who was headed to Pakistan. This just a couple years after China and India were engaged in a literal shooting border dispute. No, China is the big winner, and India has tacitly announced it isn't neutral. Trump was making in roads on breaking the pre-existing Russia and India partnership, and turning India into a counterweight to China, but that has been almost completely undone in the past couple of months.
China is, as usual, playing both sides. Assisting Russia, while also trying to deny they are assisting Russia. They haven't gone so far as to deliver military aid, yet, but they have taken steps to cushion the damage from sanctions. They want Russia in their sphere, but as a very junior partner.
Russia has a lot of the natural resources China needs, and they share a large border, which has been militarized for a very long time. Closer relations with Russia would be a huge benefit (also, a good portion of those resources are located near the Chinese border, and thus more secure than transporting them by sea from further away). China also has achieved, to some degree, breaking the US dollar's monopoly as the world currency.
"China still hasn't come up with the military aid Russia is asking for"
Holy shit, you actually bought that story???
Holy Shit, do you have a phone line to the Chinese? I don't. If you don't, then how do you know it is wrong?
Moreover, I know it is true because I am not seeing any Chinese weapons showing up on the battlefield. Russian capability just keeps going down.
Pull your head out of your ass and stop thinking that the facts are what you want them to be.
Russian capabilities aren't really degrading. Fuck, they haven't even thrown in all their capabilities yet. They've sent in less than half their Army, and only used a small portion of the air force. I am not cheering on Russia but those are basic facts. They have not even called up their reserves yet either. As for Chinese equipment on the battlefield,it would be hard to distinguish from Russian equipment for the most part, because most of it was derived or purchased from the Soviet Union and then Russia. Their battle rifles use the same ammunition, kind of hard to distinguish if the bullet killing Ukrainians was Russian or Chinese made.
Fuck, yesterday Nardz was accusing me of buying into the pro-Ukrainian propaganda and I feel like you're about to accuse me of buying pro-Putin propaganda. You both are seeing things the way you want rather than what the facts actually support.
The fact is, and this is partially in response to your statement above that you think Russia is going to dissolve, there is no indication that Russian military is on the point of breaking. There hasn't been mass surrenders, which almost always precedes a force on the point of breaking. Russia has more active duty soldiers to tap and hasn't even tapped it's reserve troops. And I can guarantee they have more munitions than 30 days supply, not to mention a huge munitions industry and armaments industry. Russian resources simply are way larger than Ukrainian. They have a larger economy, larger population, and a large military manufacturing infrastructure. The US military didn't dissolve in Vietnam, Iraq or Afghanistan. The Soviet military didn't dissolve in Afghanistan either. The Russian military didn't dissolve in Chechnya. It's only been fucking 34 days. Anyone who is stupid enough to believe a force like Russia is going to dissolve or break in 34 days is smoking crack. And I have ten years military experience and am 4th generation Army.
Some other things to consider, in response to your assertion earlier that Russian forces are on the brink of dissolving:
A poll sponsored by the US Army in the spring of 1944 found over half of US troops didn't consider the war in Europe worth fighting (it was even higher in the Italian theater).
The US military was always way behind in it's timetables during WWII. Tunisia, Sicily, Italy, France, the Pacific. There wasn't a single military operation during the war where US forces and by extension allied forces, actually met their timetables. Fuck, even after the Italians surrendered and changed sides, we were months behind our timetable in Italy.
Russia has only fired about 1000 air launched ordinances so far, we fired more in the first day of Iraqi Freedom. And it isn't because Russia lacks the ability to fire more. They have 769 fighter and attack aircraft available, plus a whole class of cruise missile submarines (and total dominance of the sea around Ukraine). And it isn't due to fear of the Ukrainian air defense artillery either, because like our air force, a good portion of their air launched ordanances have the range to hit targets in Ukraine without having to leave friendly air space.
If the same talking heads today were speaking about previous US wars, they would have said we were losing as well. Tunisia was supposed to be over in weeks, it took us months with plenty of set backs. Hell, during the first two years of the Civil War, the Union was hardly bathing itself in glory. But the Union had all the means to continue the war, and the Confederacy didn't. And the civil war was hardly universally popular in the North. Morale among southern troops was far greater than among northern troops, especially after the setbacks the Union experienced during the first two years, especially in the east.
Why the hell would the Russians ask for Chinese weapons. It makes no sense...
If that was his goal, why didn't he just occupy that region and call it a day? He is taking thousands of casualties and going broke trying to take the entire country. You can't square that undeniable fact with your claim he just wanted part of the country.
He HAS occupied it. And I don't believe the State dept. or Ukraine's estimated casualty figures for Russian Soldiers. Hell the US State dept. and the Ukrainian negotiators can't even agree on the deal points.
I don't see any evidence of that at all. China still hasn't come up with the military aid Russia is asking for and India is as it always is neutral. That is just wishful thinking on that.
Why would I worry whether or not a Chinese AK shows up on the battlefield when their economic alliance is clearly strengthening?
Putin just invaded Ukraine. It will never be neutral again.
I don't know how the negotiations will fall out, only time will tell. It's possible that Putin's gambit will fail utterly, but given the almost bizarre coverage of this conflict from Western media sources, I'm beginning to think that Russia may not be AS damaged as we think it is.
Maybe they're trying to take him out?
https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1509188897909231618?t=sp0gxmUbZiVcmTAyP6MdNg&s=19
JUST IN - Biden to get his second Pfizer booster injection today.
Whatever the harms of that injection, and I am not saying there are not harms, are long term such that he will be dead before they are an issue. The vaccine is harming young people.
Yea, tongue in cheek comment. The vax seems fine for the elderly, but is a bigger risk to the young and healthy than covid.
I remember when "The Velvet Underground" was a hand-wringing Comstockist book full of shrill declamations of all manner of voluntary transactions the Wizened Christian Temperance Union wanted banned by crime-creating legislation. The school library kept it near the medical books.
This has got to be a parody.
Is it possible to parody Hank?
New research shows women under age 30 are earning equal to or more than male counterparts in 22 major U.S. metro areas.
Now that all the skilled STEM majors and Sr. Managers are working remotely, the maids are really cleaning up.
New research shows women under age 30 are earning equal to or more than male counterparts in 22 major U.S. metro areas.
FYI, that jibes almost perfectly with Thomas Sowell's research in the 1970s. THE FUCKING 1970s!
Just wait until those women "under 30" start getting married, having kids and taking extended "time off/career pauses" to attend to domestic choices. This is such a stupid debate it's infuriating that we're still having it.
I heard something about this on NPR. They did mention that it's likely to change as they get older. And of course called it a "motherhood penalty" or some such nonsense, rather than people choosing their own priorities in life.
It is totally stupid. And mostly based on a completely wrong, overly emotional reading of the statistics. It amazes me how many people appear to actually believe that the fact that women on average, overall, are paid less than men means that individual women are being penalized because they are women. As with almost everything, there are more men at the extremes (both good and bad) and more women in the middle of the bell curve. And it's far from obvious that women in general are getting the raw end of the deal because of that.
Yeah, I paused my career for a couple of years, then dramatically cut my hours back, didn't want to work nights or travel or get any projects that required intense hours for a random reason that had nothing to do with having children. What would we dub that penalty?
“It is totally stupid.”
There’s an acronym that mocks this mindset. Can’t recall what it is, but I coined it.
“But U.S. officials are skeptical:”
When dealing with Russia, that’s your best bet.
One would have thought that the police were Public Servants. Seems that they have morphed into something markedly different, not to mention dangerous to the public.
The cops are really slipping, they left this one alive.
Sadly, mistaken identity in a citizen's arrest situation is not that uncommon. The only way to prevent this type of accident is to return the responsibility and authority for emergency defense of life and property to the individual citizen, and to reduce the police's authority to the very narrow scope of serving warrants. Citizens are much better at policing themselves and their neighbors than even the most selfless policeman because that policeman is 10 minutes away (or 2 days away in my crappy city).
Yes, this is a common occurrence when people intervene in other people's fights and the police come on the scene. It is a risk you need to take into account when choosing to act and how to act.
A better course of action would have been to immediately remove the bullets from the gun and throw it away.