Libertarian Candidate Faces Uphill Ballot Battle To Challenge Marjorie Taylor Greene
Before she can make her case to the voters, Angela Pence has to collect signatures that she would not need if she were a Democrat or a Republican.

After finding herself unable to support either Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton for president in 2016, Angela Pence (no relation to the former vice president) started looking outside the confines of either Republican or Democratic politics. That led her to the Libertarian Party (L.P.). In 2020, she started volunteering for Jo Jorgensen's campaign and serving as political director for the Georgia L.P.
For the 2022 election cycle, Pence decided to throw her own hat into the ring, by running against Republican Marjorie Taylor Greene in the race to represent Georgia's 14th Congressional District in the House of Representatives. Greene, in just a single term, has garnered a reputation as a kook, spreading outlandish conspiracy theories ranging from defending QAnon, to suggesting that California wildfires were intentionally caused by lasers from outer space. Just last month, Greene appeared as a speaker at a white nationalist political conference. There would seem to be plenty of room for a competitor.
But before someone like Pence can make her case to voters, she has to clear another hurdle: Georgia's ballot access laws.
Georgia's laws are quite onerous: To qualify for the ballot in a race for a districted position, a candidate needs to collect the signatures of 5 percent of all registered voters in their district—for the U.S. House, that means between 20,000 and 25,000 signatures. Conveniently, the two major parties are exempt from this rule, by virtue of having been on the ballot previously.
The law was initially passed in 1943, at a time when the state was also barring Communists from running for office. Perhaps not surprisingly, since 1943, not one single third-party candidate has made it onto the ballot for a districted race in Georgia. Last year, on a challenge from the Georgia L.P., a district court tossed the 5-percent rule, replacing it with a rule only requiring signatures from one-percent of registered voters. But earlier this year, the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals reinstated the requirement.
Ryan Graham, chair of the Georgia L.P., tells Reason that the steep signature requirement handicaps the party's ability to "build the bench," recruiting candidates for local races who can gain political experience and potentially go on to higher office. Pence says that after the appeals court reinstated the 5-percent rule, at least five Georgia L.P. candidates for office dropped out, citing the difficulty in obtaining that many signatures.
Greene benefited from some good fortune in her initial run for Congress: After initially intending to campaign in the more competitive 6th Congressional District, the incumbent in the 14th retired, and Greene instead became the first candidate to sign up to run for his seat. Despite losing the state as a whole, former President Donald Trump won GA-14 by nearly 50 points. The less competitive a district is, the more likely it will attract fringe candidates like Greene. And Greene's Democratic opponent, Kevin Van Ausdal, moved out of state during the campaign but stayed on the ballot, allowing her to run functionally unopposed.
Now, Georgia's ballot access laws are performing a similar function. While it is possible that Greene could lose to a Republican primary challenger—and she faces several—Greene coasted to victory in the 2016 primary and took in an impressive amount of individual campaign contributions, even after already receiving criticism for anti-Semitic and Islamophobic comments. And with an electorate tilted so heavily to the right, any Democratic candidate faces little chance of success, especially against a well-funded incumbent with national name recognition. Pence realizes this. "A Democrat is never gonna win here," she says, while remaining hopeful that Republican voters, soured on Greene but unwilling to ever vote for a Democrat, will find her positions appealing.
But to get to that point, she has to jump through hoops that neither Greene nor her eventual Democratic opponent had to contend with. Ultimately, this unfairness impacts more than just libertarians: In Georgia, any potential alternative parties—the Green Party, the Constitution Party, Democratic Socialists of America, the still-extant Prohibition Party—face the same seemingly insurmountable task just to qualify. That disparity makes it that much more difficult for a fringe candidate in a safe seat like Greene to face a serious challenger.
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We get that you're a Leftist supporting moron but the other side of this "problem" is that anyone with $50 to spare can get on the ballot with all that entails. Some benchmark of effort is required to weed out a legitimate candidate and party from trolls. The Democrat/Republican party have proved they have the infrastructure to make their message heard and have prior votes to indicate some non-zero level of support or interest.
Maybe 5% is high but you offer nothing to indicate that any level of effort and organization is required.
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Why is it the state's job to weed out the trolls? That's the job of voters.
Think about it - the incremental cost of allowing another candidate on the ballot is the ink and paper necessary to list their name. That's what - a half inch tall by a third of the page wide? Multiplied by the 400,000 voters in the House district above, that's the equivalent of about one extra box of printer paper. At 5¢ a page, we're still below $500. Why does the state have any right to throw any higher hurdles in the way than recouping their real costs?
Yeah, I mean, what an absurd suggestion: a left-wing pedophile ring involving some of the most prominent donors and operatives in the country! Absurd! /sarc
Yeah, it's not like space based solar power isn't actually a thing or couldn't be weaponized! Anybody writing a tweet musing about such a possibility must be canceled. /sarc
Surely you don't expect everyone to be treated equally under the law?
Where do you think you are? A free country?
Elections have consequences.
One will not be electing libertarians, unless that will defeat a republican.
Oh, we have been electing plenty of libertarians, just not Libertarians.
Observe that Joe and LungtobeFake both struggle to pretend the Nixon Anti-Libertarian law subsidizing looter campaigns since the day the LP formed never happened and has somehow evaporated. (https://tinyurl.com/mt72a7wn)
One solution (okay, perhaps not a SOLUTION, but a improvement), is allow write-in voting. That way one can run a campaign without the need of "registering with the proper authorities."
That's an option in GA. It was actually a significant factor in the 1966 governor's race.
Not just allow write-in voting, but require it. No names (and fucking party affiliations) on the ballot, just positions and blank lines.
You haven't had much experience with the average person's handwriting, have you?
Weird how libertarians only ever run against republicans.
Doubly so when you consider that most of the voters they are chasing (young voters) vote D.
You'd think that at some point the party officials would hire a good marketing team and compete against dems. It wouldn't be hard, either.
I am so glad you are finally taking the time to report on the Dnc sueing to have election laws changed to have the green party candidate removed from the ballot in battleground states! Oh that's not what this article mentions? I forgot reasons no enemy to the left "libritarianism"
This.
Spot on.
Greene is a moron, racist, anti-Semitic and an overall horrible person. She represents her district very well and it would be hard to beat her.
I don't know about her district but if they reelect her then I guess you could make that argument.
It's hard to think there are that many nuts in one place but it appears that it's possible.
You’ve never heard of Portland?
AOC is a moron, racist, anti-Semitic and an overall horrible person. She represents her district very well and it would be hard to beat her.
Ilhan Omar is a moron, racist, anti-Semitic and an overall horrible person. She represents her district very well and it would be hard to beat her.
Rashida Tlaib is a moron, racist, anti-Semitic and an overall horrible person. She represents her district very well and it would be hard to beat her.
Disaffected, desperate, antisocial, half-educated right-wingers are among my favorite culture war casualties.
Those losers can't get stomped enough by their betters, in my judgment.
Pissed that I left off your congress creature?
Hey, Rev, wanna go on a hunting trip with the boys?
Not convinced Rashida Tlaib is a moron, but otherwise agreed.
Tlaib is the world's best argument for continued compulsory face masks.
Yes, those white racists. I'm sure they lock up tons of black people and let white people walk for the same crimes.
https://www.wpr.org/sites/default/files/styles/resp_orig_custom_user_wide_1x/public/library/black_white_incarceration_ratios.jpg?itok=U3Qm-oT8
I’m really not familiar with her other than the left and media hates her.
Any citations of her making racist or anti-Semitic comments?
I caught a bit of her rebuttal to the State of the Union. I was thoroughly unimpressed with her. Flat, robotic, clearly reading off a teleprompter due to the odd cadence and mid-sentence pauses. Opened up with the need for the country to return to the solid Christian foundation of the Founding Fathers (reminder that many of them were Deists). Lots of talk about Jesus, short on anything substantial or helpful.
I don't really know why the media hates her, though.
“I don't really know why the media hates her, though.”
You should pay a little more attention to what “the media” actually is then.
Here’s a hint: You didn’t wonder why the left hates her.
Do you have a cite? And not your opinion or another idiot like you, but actual evidence.
Athletes should be able to hold up their fist in support of Black Lives Matter. Sporting events are an important place for athletes to show their support for... oh fuck...
Hilarious. And the left can't even see why.
I didn't know right wing racist crackpot were the same thing as libertarians until I found this board.
Which comments are you referring to?
Can’t your handlers get you some new material?
For joe
"Just last month, Greene appeared as a speaker at a white nationalist political conference. "
Wow, that would be some pretty damning stuff if it were true. Looks like she spoke at the "America First Political Action Conference." A quick check on the website doesn't have anything about white nationalism or race on it. Why would the author of this article say it was a white nationalist conference when the organization doesn't have any mention of race on their mission statement?
For crying out loud, there are even minorities that spoke or were special guests the same year Greene spoke. https://americafirstfoundation.org/afpac/
My comment below was sarcasm.
https://reason.com/2022/03/10/libertarian-candidate-faces-uphill-ballot-battle-to-challenge-marjorie-taylor-greene/?comments=true#comment-9396564
Only racisicts think black people can think for themselves and aren't a hive mind
The author of that quote must be one of those morons to whom anyone who's not a black supremacist is defined as white supremacist. Including black conservatives! Nice of them to help us spot them at a distance.
MTG may not be perfect but she calls out Democrat bullshit and Reason can't have that.
My comment below was sarcasm.
https://reason.com/2022/03/10/libertarian-candidate-faces-uphill-ballot-battle-to-challenge-marjorie-taylor-greene/?comments=true#comment-9396564
"After finding herself unable to support either Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton for president in 2016..."
She must be really smart and special. To what mere mortals seems like a very simple binary choice, a choice between two extremely different candidates and policy priorities, is a great metaphysical conundrum to the truly learned among us.
Voting, you see, something that happens in a private booth, is not actually just a choice between imperfect alternatives, a civic duty like going to the DMV. It's of Great Moral Significance to us as individuals. if we make the wrong choice, we are responsible for all the evil that results in the world.
Not making a choice isn't simply contributing to the inevitable math of the outcome. It's a personal journey of opting out of moral consequences. So, so brave.
Not voting for Hillary Clinton in 2016 makes anyone a national hero whose face should be on Mt. Rushmore. Maybe one of those tile thingies that cities do where your name gets engraved on part of the building.
The greatest political event of the 21st century was the evisceration of Hillary Clinton from public and political life.
It was certainly Putin's preferred outcome.
Putin invasions and annexations under Obama Biden:
2
Putin invasions and annexations under Trump:
0
Putin thought Trump would withdraw the US from NATO in his second term. Trump was giving him everything he wanted and a little extra ostentatious genuflection for good measure.
Now that we haven't withdrawn, it's the perfect time for invasion. Putin has made a mistake in his choice to invade twice during the strongest, most principled presidencies in US historicity.
Do you fantasize that anyone here buys any of your bullshit?
Yeah putin totally wanted those sanctions, until Biden lifted them in the first week
Well Putin fucked up, huh?
The Trump Russia stuff was all made up bullshit, but your narrative needs it so you don’t care.
You're wrong bevis. Here's the GOP led Senate Intel Comm Report of 2020. You need to read it.
"The Committee’s investigation totaled more than three years of investigative activity, more than 200 witness interviews, and more than a million pages of reviewed documents. All five volumes total more than 1300 pages."
https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/press/senate-intel-releases-volume-5-bipartisan-russia-report
Steele Dossier!
You’re a silly bitch Tony.
To what mere mortals seems like a very simple binary choice, a choice between two extremely different candidates and policy priorities
The world is not a dichotomy.
The world is non-binary?
American elections are!
Only because of people like you.
I don't want it this way. I'd like a total redesign. But you live in the world as it is.
Bullshit
The American system of government is nobody's idea of a good system.
It was destroyed by retards like you.
"to the truly learned among us." So not you.
The top 3% voted for Johnson, since he was the best qualified and the least evil and on enough state ballots to win.
So if I would have bet you $10,000 that Johnson would not win, you would have taken that bet?
Election =/= sports betting.
Trump/Clinton was a horrible choice to make. I saw a comedian describe it as feeling like a going out of business sale, which seems about right. I didn’t vote for either of those chuckleheads either.
As to Greene, she’s appalling. Her schtick is to be as obnoxiously extreme as possible as long as she’s drawing attention. We could replace her with a serial killer and improve Congress.
I'm sorry it was so difficult for you. It was not difficult for me.
Well Tony, you do have an ocean of blood on your hands based on the evil of your choices.
Reason starting to ramp up its midterm election coverage I see. Curious to see which way it leans.
Just for the record: GA 14th district
Distribution
59.72% urban
40.28% rural
Population (2019) 732,133[2]
Median household income $56,150
Ethnicity
77.5% White
10.8% Hispanic
8.9% Black
1.4% Two or more races
1.0% Asian
0.4% other
Occupation
56.58% Blue-collar
43.42% White-collar
And, oh by the way, it stretches from Atlanta to Chattanooga.
Chattanooga is in Tennessee,
Why yes, yes it is.
He’s so smart!
Des Moines is in Iowa.
Do I get points for this?
Gary is in Indiana AND I know a song about that. So I win!!!
So... from Klanbake to Monkey Trial? No wonder they like Marjorie Greene Teeth!
Never heard of those places. They sound fictional. Oh oh, did you write a novel? I bet it’ll be great. Can I get a signed copy?
Looks like Reason is campaigning for Democrats yet again (by promoting idiots who run as Libertarians and serve as spoilers for the GOP), just as Reason editors and writers (who want to keep getting lots of $$$$$$$$$$ from Koch) did in 2016 and 2020 to defeat Trump, the most libertarian President since Cal Coolidge.
Koch? He's got one foot in the grave. Reason is trending to the Soros cash.
2 firmly in, one of the two left testing for comfyness.
My comment above was not sarcasm.
https://reason.com/2022/03/10/libertarian-candidate-faces-uphill-ballot-battle-to-challenge-marjorie-taylor-greene/?comments=true#comment-9396564
Looking forward to articles like “The Reason Case for Forced Starvation of Dissidents”.
That Greene isn't considered a fringe candidate herself is shameful.
Exactly. It shouldn't take much to mount a successful primary challenge to a kook.
An incumbent fringe candidate? So what word’s definition we changing for this pronouncement?
Actually curious. Which not lefty narrative about her actually upsets you? Actual facts please. Because quite honestly fuck all the politicians your shit state contributes.
But before someone like Pence can make her case to voters, she has to clear another hurdle: Georgia's ballot access laws.
Or she could run in the Republican primary against Greene, and point out that her opponent is a kook and an embarrassment to the party.
Yes, but principles say you must identify with the party of blue guys.
And miss her chance to get an article in…actually never mind. This article isn’t really about her, is it?
"Angela Pence (no relation to the former vice president)"
Too bad. It would be more fun if she claimed to be the love child of the former VP and gov, conceived during that one encounter when Pence was alone with a woman.
If the Republican nominee is such a kook, then it should've been easy to beat her for the nomination. Why oppose her in the general election, unless what you're really trying to do is improve the chances of the Democrat? Just treat the Democrats as the irrelevancies they are, and operate among the Republicans.
If the region leans Republican then we could introduce ranked-choice voting which would guarantee Republican dominance.
One day, for no reason whatsoever, they just elected hitler into power.
https://twitter.com/MattWalshBlog/status/1501747042955272196?t=p1w8hSLJRBW3r5ixAU1wgg&s=19
Even libertarian politicians are evil monsters, because they are politicians.
The Libertarian party WAS on the ballot in all 50 states. Then with help from Henchman, Sekretary Tokyo Rose, The Von Mises krauts, Whitney, Anarco-Knapp and Beavis and Boothead stuffing the platform and ticket with communist anarchism, we LOST eight years worth of gains, ballot access in half the states and the law-changing support of American libertarian voters. Who needs enemies? (https://tinyurl.com/5jyc2wca)
These characters will all be explained in your book?
We have a two party system like it or not. Those two parties have colluded to keep third party and independent candidates off the ballot. They have no reason to change. Why invite more competition?
She is a mother of eight, she doesn't like MTG, she is a "huge proponent of choice", she "read that inflation was up to 7.4 percent" and that's too high, she doesn't like that the IRS disproportionally audits low income earners (because they can't afford tax preparers), she "feels" and "empathizes" a lot. You know, your typical entitled, uninformed suburban voter.
You can read the whole interview here.
Why is any of that relevant if she'll never be able to make it onto the ballot in the first place? You should care about the hurdles and protectionism before you worry about the specific candidates that might be helped or blocked by it.
My thoughts exactly. What I DO know about MTG is right now she is pushing a bill requiring all representatives to have to cast a recordable "voice" vote so their record can actually be tracked by people that care to pay attention, as there is a loophole right now commonly being exploited allowing them to cast a vote that is not recorded and accountable to constituents. I don't know about the laser beam stuff, this sounds like that whole discrediting someone as a conspiracy theorist tactic, which isn't going to do you any favors with people capable of doing their own thinking.
Well, it's not so bad when they can get actual libertarians to run.
Outside of her Georgia house district most people laugh at MGT too. Where I live she is a fucking laughingstock.
Never mind getting on the ballot, how'd she get the LP nomination? I hope it's because everybody who had any sense has by now left LP.
She just got Mizek's vote.
MTG has done one good thing on the hill, stopped passing of bills by voice voting. She forces congress to come back in and vote on things.
One of the first things I look at is whether a candidate is a half-educated, roundly bigoted, superstition, obsolete right-wing clinger.
This is likely related to the point that my side has won the American culture war.
> "Where I live she is a fucking laughingstock." Okay, but enough about you and your mom. Seriously, the fact that you don't live in her district but still talk about her and you're taking a poll on what people think about her says all that needs to be said. Dude, get a life.
BTW, Anyone who can talk for 20 minutes without putting a foot in their mouth is just having a good day or reading a script. And anyone who can talk for more than 3 minutes without giving their enemies something to exaggerate, take out of context, or twist... doesn't have any enemies. I mean hell, Biden can't make it more than a sentence or two and the majority of Congress isn't that far behind.
The leftist media certainly attacks her at every turn. The same assholes who celebrate buffoons like ‘the squad’ and Kamala Harris. And I would take MGT over them any day.
You’ve won the culture war like Putin has won Ukraine.
Will you spout the same old crap when you’re being lead to the gallows?
Yeah, I’ve never talked to any of my neighbors about MTG.
But Dr. Mabuse has never posted here before, so it’s obviously a fifty center sent here for this article.
Which is superior to naming a post office, IMO.
I've heard her on a few podcasts and found her to be entirely reasonable. I'm sure there's plenty of devil in the details, but forcing actual votes rather than making laws in the committee rooms is certainly something libertarians should be cheering. Anyone who has taken the time to look directly at her controversial comments would also know that the narrative about her is exaggerated if not wholly dishonest.
This "Libertarian" candidate honestly sounds less libertarian than MTG. MTG at least can claim to have a close working relationship with Massie. I recommend looking up one of Tim Pool's podcasts where they were both guests
I thought it was a vampire.
They don’t send their best here.
If I had to grin and bear it she’s the last of the three I’d date.
True. In fact I consider it more likely that he is torn apart by some antifa thugs. While crying that he’s on their side.
Half Vulcan?
4 grandparents who are of at least 3 different races.
From the inter view:
I've got to say, I'm impressed that Ms Pence said that to a reporter and that the paper/site's editor didn't expurgate that.
At 3%, Johnson would have won with the spread.
That was a good interview, i agree.
Thanks, will check it out.
Agreed. Any real libertarian would be supporting Greene.
I’m in.