Flight Attendant Unions Want Passengers To Wear Masks Forever
The unions' support for hygiene theater is of a piece with their support for security theater.
The Transportation Security Administration (TSA) continues to require face masks in airports and on airplanes even as Democratic governors across the country are lifting mask mandates for indoor settings where the risk of COVID-19 transmission is much higher. And while that federal mandate is scheduled to expire on March 18, flight attendant unions want the TSA to extend it.
That position is unsurprising in the sense that the unions have always strongly supported the TSA mandate, which was first imposed more than a year ago. But it makes little sense given the weak justification for the mask rule and its adverse impact on flight attendants.
The unions say they are concerned about adult passengers who are especially vulnerable to COVID-19 and travelers younger than 5, who are not yet eligible for vaccines. But children have always faced a tiny risk of life-threatening COVID-19 symptoms, and immunocompromised adults who might not get the full benefit from vaccination can protect themselves from infection by wearing high-quality, well-fitting masks, regardless of what other passengers are doing.
The rationale for the mask mandate was never very strong, since the conditions on airplanes are not conducive to virus transmission. The ventilation systems on commercial aircraft, which mix outdoor air with air recycled through HEPA filters and limit air flow between rows, help explain why there were few outbreaks associated with commercial flights even before vaccines were available.
"The risk of contracting COVID-19 during air travel is low," an October 2020 article in The Journal of the American Medical Association noted. "Despite substantial numbers of travelers, the number of suspected and confirmed cases of in-flight COVID-19 transmission between passengers around the world appears small." Sebastian Hoehl, a researcher at the Institute for Medical Virology at Goethe University Frankfurt in Germany, concurred in an interview with Scientific American the following month, saying "an airplane cabin is probably one of the most secure conditions you can be in."
Southwest Airlines CEO Gary Kelly reiterated this point during a Senate hearing in December. "I think the case is very strong that masks don't add much, if anything, in the air cabin environment," he said. "It is very safe and very high quality compared to any other indoor setting." American Airlines CEO Doug Parker agreed. "An aircraft is the safest place you can be," he said. "It's true of all of our aircraft—they all have the same HEPA filters and air flow."
Given the availability of vaccines that dramatically reduce the risk of severe disease and N95 masks that protect people who wear them, the TSA rule is blatantly paternalistic. The people most at risk from COVID-19 are adults who decline to be vaccinated. The risk to children is infinitesimal even if they are not vaccinated—smaller than the risk of dying in a car crash if their parents decide to avoid mask hassles by driving instead of flying.
The flight attendant unions are unfazed by these facts. "While more of the world now has access to life-saving vaccines, we still have a significant portion of the population that [is] vulnerable, including our youngest passengers," says Paul Hartshorn, a spokesman for the Association of Professional Flight Attendants, which represents American Airlines employees. "Our youngest passengers do not yet have access to the vaccine," says Taylor Garland, a spokeswoman for the Association of Flight Attendants (AFA), which represents employees of several major and regional airlines. "The airplane is a unique but controlled environment for everyone's safety. The layered approach to safety and security includes masks."
The AFA's enthusiasm for hygiene theater is of a piece with its enthusiasm for security theater. In 2005, when the TSA began allowing passengers to carry some common tools, including screwdrivers shorter than seven inches and scissors with blades shorter than four inches, the union literally screamed bloody murder.
"TSA needs to take a moment to reflect on why [the rules] were created in the first place—after the world had seen how ordinary household items could create such devastation," an AFA spokeswoman said. "When weapons are allowed back on board an aircraft, the pilots will be able to land the plane safely, but the aisles will be running with blood."
Although that never happened, objections from the AFA helped persuade the TSA to reverse course in 2013, when it planned to start letting passengers carry small pocket knives, with blades no longer than six centimeters (2.36 inches) and no wider than half an inch. The TSA said the decision "was made as part of TSA's overall risk-based security approach and aligns TSA with International Civil Aviation Organization Standards and our European counterparts."
A TSA spokesman explained that the agency's "risk-based security approach" allowed TSA officers "to better focus their efforts on finding higher-threat items such as explosives." In addition to short knives, the TSA said it would allow miniature baseball bats, lacrosse and hockey sticks, pool cues, ski poles, and up to two golf clubs per passenger. But after initially defending the new rules, the TSA capitulated to pressure from the AFA and members of Congress. The AFA, which campaigned against the new policy under the slogan "No Knives on Planes Ever Again," celebrated, calling the reversal "a good lesson in collective action."
As those examples suggest, the AFA's demands do not necessarily align with the interests of passengers. The same is true of its position on the mask mandate, which is a source of discomfort, annoyance, and anxiety for many travelers, especially when they have to force masks on recalcitrant toddlers. Nor does the AFA's support for maintaining the mandate necessarily align with the interests of its members, who are tasked with enforcing the rule in addition to all their other duties, which has predictably led to much unpleasantness, as The New York Times notes:
Disagreements over masks and the refusal of some passengers to wear them led to frequent shouting matches, fights and other problems with unruly passengers during the pandemic. From Jan. 1 to Feb. 15, the Federal Aviation Administration received nearly 400 reports of unruly passengers, including 255 reports of passengers refusing to comply with a federal mandate that they wear masks on planes.
Last month, a man on a Delta Air Lines flight from Dublin to New York who refused to wear his mask pulled down his pants and exposed his buttocks. Nearly two weeks later, an American Airlines flight to London from Miami turned around about an hour into its journey because of a passenger who refused to wear a mask.
Cases like those are why airline executives and the Association of Professional Flight Attendants have been urging the federal authorities to create a federal no-fly list for unruly passengers.
The problem is manifestly not insufficiently draconian enforcement of the mask mandate. It is the mask mandate itself. For every obnoxious passenger who moons, berates, or assaults the rule's enforcers, there are many others who quietly resent this thinly justified imposition.
The AFA says it is "critical that we maintain passenger confidence in the safety of air travel." How does provoking fights over masks enhance that confidence? And if masks "don't add much, if anything" to "the safety of air travel," how can that rationale justify sacrificing passengers' comfort or turning around an entire flight because one guy refuses to cover his face?
AFA President Sara Nelson adamantly rejects the idea that passengers should be allowed to decide for themselves what risks they are willing to tolerate. "Flight attendants would never tell you that 'whether you put on the oxygen mask is a matter of personal choice,'" she said in an NBC News opinion piece last year. "We understand that air turbulence really can throw you against the ceiling without warning, so we don't say, 'Some people believe seatbelts won't keep you safe, so it's up to you to decide whether to wear one.'"
As far as Nelson is concerned, the same argument applies with equal force to the mask mandate, despite the lack of evidence that it makes a significant difference. "We're also trained to help stop the spread of infectious disease," she wrote. "We're not just enforcing these long-overdue mask policies because we have to: We understand that masks are a way we keep ourselves and each other safe. And we're grateful policymakers are backing us up."
Whether they will continue to do that is unclear. The TSA has extended the mask rule twice and may do so again. "If there is a change to halt or extend the mask requirement, we will make an announcement," a TSA spokeswoman told the Times. "As of now, nothing new to share."
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The flight attendants want to keep the excuse “we didn’t hear you” in place for as long as possible.
Science.
A flight attendant’s union is, possibly, the lamest thing I’ve ever heard of in my life.
How many people even want to deal with them?
Considering the job requirements, I would guess that the union members are not the best and brightest. Never underestimate how petty less intelligent people can be given a little authority.
I fear the petty “intelligent” ones more. Fauci is intelligent even if he is a lying authoritarian piece of shit.
Fauci is a useful idiot half wit. He literally just repeats what he thinks people want him to say
^this
The best and the brightest don’t aspire to be administrators. Fauci isn’t a researcher. His resume is all circular references.
Yawn.
It gives the flight attendants an excuse to act like SS guards.
This. For some, having the power to boot people off a flight is no fun unless you get to boot people off occasionally, and that requires you to drum up a good reason to do it. You can’t just kick people off when they’re all just sitting minding their own business. Masks provide just the right amount of friction required to generate conflict between passengers and flight attendants.
Plus, they have an excuse. “It’s not my fault you can’t breathe. Congress is mandating this.”
Face masks today! Face masks tomorrow! Face masks forever!
Do some research. The TSA has nothing to do with the mask mandate on aircraft. The Department of Transportation does because of a Biden Executive Order. It’s the same Order that makes you wear masks on buses and subways. The TSA really has NO enforcement capability. Think that one through. If someone violates the law on what you can take through security, the Police at the airport make the arrest. If they were serious about COVID, any passenger showing symptoms would be seated in the rear of the aircraft. An aircraft is pressurized by bleeding air off of the engines. One bleed is in the front of the compressor where the air is cooler another is towards the rear where the air has been heated by compression. These go to a mix area where the temperature is controlled and then blead into the cabin. The air flows through the cabin and exits through a valve in the tail.
https://www.tsa.gov/news/press/releases/2021/08/20/tsa-extends-face-mask-requirement-through-march-18-2022
Well, huh.
It’s almost like someone should have done some research.
Lol.
Even the tiniest of power can turn some people into a tyrant.
I am anti-tie. Don’t get me started.
/tie rant.
what we don’t need are flight attendants.
BYOB!
Then nobody would know how to use the seat belts, or where the doors were!
Hear hear.
Every flight attendant I’ve seen wearing a mask since the pandemic started has been wearing one of those super-lightweight cloth material masks, typically with one of those plastic frames beneath to hold it away from your face and allow you to breathe easier.
I’ve never seen one wearing a properly-fitted N95 or Kn95.
The TSA makes you pull your mask down when they check your ID and boarding pass, BTW.
Someone else’s health is not my responsibility you fucking idiots. Everyone who didn’t understand before understands now, stfu and give me my mini bottles. I don’t understand what they possibly hope to accomplish.
immunocompromised adults who might not get the full benefit from vaccination can protect themselves from infection by wearing high-quality, well-fitting masks,
Or not flying. Neither stewardesses nor the immunocompromised have the moral authority to demand I wear a filthy, ill-fitting, uncomfortable, performance-based, decorative, useless mask in their presence.
….. can protect themselves from infection by wearing high-quality, well-fitting masks,…
Going to need some proof for that . Real proof.
Because on the box it says “not for medical use”.
Fine. Be that way. I don’t have to fly. When people get tired of your bullshit and quit buying tickets, I don’t want to hear any whining about it.
Could we also stop making sentences like this “The people most at risk from COVID-19 are adults who decline to be vaccinated. ” It’s vague and leads the reader like most other articles to believe you have a 20-50% chance of death. Forget even the part about vaccinated or not, you’ve created the overwhelming paranoia in so many people with this slippery wording.
Fine.
“The people most at risk of covid are 90+ year-old obese diabetics with at least 2 other comorbidities.”
Better?
Lol yes 🙂
MT-Man,, thanks for admitting you can’t handle facts or the truth. Yes, the unvaccinated are leading new cases and are most of those in our hospitals for covid – thereby wasting our resources for no good reason – and dying from it. FACT
Joe, I will guess you would fit in well with the delusional mob who in summer of 2020 (after only 4 months of pandemic) thought, on average, that 10% of Americans had already died from COVID. And with Democrats, who in late 2021 thought, on average, that the chance of serious illness from a COVID infection was 40%.
You can look up the correct answers yourself, and maybe learn something.
I just gave you a fact Earth which is current and you just proved you can’t handle it.
Feel better now?
You’re so fucking full of shit.
MOST new cases are NOT in the hospital, nor are MOST new cases in the unvaxxed. EVERYBODY is getting it now. IT went through my entire company about a month ago and we are all needled up.
Eric, I didn’t say most new cases are in the hospital. Here’s what I said and it is an indisputable fact:
In both red and blue states, the unvaxxed lead in new cases, hospitalizations, and deaths, even though in most places they are a minority of the population.
That doesn’t mean those who have been vaccinated can’t get it (At best vaccines were hoped to provide about 90% effectiveness). But, your odds of not getting it are much better if you are vaccinated and your odds of not landing in the hospital or dying from it are MUCH BETTER if you are vaccinated.
Do you understand the difference between absolute and relative risks?
And did you know what was revealed yesterday, that the CDC has been withholding hospital data regarding vaxxed v. unvaxxed?
Dude do u every stop with your bullshit u gross little man?
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Especially when the MOST at-risk are people who CAN’T be vaccinated. They aren’t DECLINING to be vaccinated, they are TOO SICK to be vaccinated.
BS Elvis. There are almost 30% of the adult population not vaccinated and they are not mostly or even by a large per cent unable to be vaccinated.
Cite?
This is another bullshit article based the author’s politics, not the facts. The fact is that the CDC – which the TSA better be listening to – has not relaxed national recommendations because the Omicron surge has not played out everywhere yet and cases are still high. We better hope the BA2 variant does not gain steam. It is also a fact that masks have been proven effective in numerous studies in the field, in lab testing – covid carrying sized particles are captured – as well as by simple common sense, a faculty in short supply with the libertarian true believers who can’t handle the truth.
I’d prefer proof of vaccines be required for a ticket but the ignorance surrounding their effectiveness is widespread. In fact, in both red and blue states, new covid cases, hospitalizations, and deaths are being led by the unvaccinated, even though they are a minority almost everywhere. End of story – case closed.
Go back to your basement. The world is dangerous.
Always has been Earth but humans have flourished by being smart. Try it.
And humans have suffered when forced to obey ideological dictators. I know YOU want to try that, but we will not let you.
So “being smart” is a non-starter for you Earth?
Even your insults are tedious. Ugh.
It is also a fact that masks have been proven effective in numerous studies in the field, in lab testing – covid carrying sized particles are captured
Good information if you live in a lab and properly wear a fitted, certified N95 mask. There are NO real-world studies showing the cute mask Aunt Suzie made on her sewing machine does a damn thing other than support the COVID Theater Guild.
There are plenty of studies showing the effectiveness of masks in the field. This site lists some of them:
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-briefs/masking-science-sars-cov2.html?CDC_AA_refVal=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cdc.gov%2Fcoronavirus%2F2019-ncov%2Fmore%2Fmasking-science-sars-cov2.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLJDRmc9jJk
There are plenty of studies showing the effectiveness of masks in the field. This site lists some of them.
You can smell the conformation bias in these. Small sample sizes, many (most) without control groups. Small, barely measurable effects. A 10% risk reduction in an epidemiological study is meaningless.
The Gallway study in this summary is some obvious made-for-press-release bullshit. This discusses the infection rate reduction in Arizona over nine month in 2020. The conclusion is the reduction was “obviously” due to a mask mandate, without ever mentioning the rates reduces where over this time.
Go put on your mask and be happy in your virtuousness.
Sure Rise, it’s all a plot and the scientists and doctors are all in on it.
The vaccines have been very effective at reducing hospitalizations and deaths, but the effectiveness is wearing off over time as the virus mutates.
Mask mandates have made almost no difference in the real world. You can check the case curves on the CDC website and compare mask-happy California to supposed death trap states like Texas and Florida. They look almost the same.
CE, boosters are effective against Omicron, including the new BA2 variant.
Comparing states for one variable out of probably hundreds is not a good test. Studies are most reliable the more you can isolate variables and there are studies doing that and showing mask effectiveness. Lab tests do the same, as does common sense. Are they fool proof barriers to the virus? No, nothing is, but we advance in life by taking the better odds, not handicapping ourselves.
Studies are most reliable the more you can isolate variables and there are studies doing that and showing mask effectiveness.
No there aren’t. There has been no large scale RCT to see what the effects of masks has been.
Lab tests do the same, as does common sense.
No they don’t.
Are they fool proof barriers to the virus? No, nothing is, but we advance in life by taking the better odds, not handicapping ourselves.
No they don’t.
Yes Diane, they did, do, and will.
The fact is that the CDC – which the TSA better be listening to – has not relaxed national recommendations because the Omicron surge has not played out everywhere yet and cases are still high.
*Baerbershop quartet*
Cases cases cases… cases cases cases. Casesss… caaaasessssss!
*applause*
“The fact is that the CDC – which the TSA better be listening to – has not relaxed national recommendations because the Omicron surge has not played out everywhere yet and cases are still high.”
The facts say otherwise: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/us/covid-cases.html?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=MJ_20211118&utm_term=Jolt-Smart
And if you did a little digging through the large amount of data in this NYT link, you would see there is no correlation between face diapering and Covid rates.
Look at cases by region in your link Skipper and hospitalizations and deaths.
I see you’ve managed to forget everything proving you’re wrong from the last thread, so we’re starting fresh. Oh boy.
But I can understand your confusion, with the goalposts moving so fast, it’s hard to tell who is Unclean these days.
Wow… that did *NOT* age well
https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus-pandemic-health-pandemics-centers-for-disease-control-and-prevention-64f411f3b8c91faa091332ada342ab19
WE prefer that u remove your sorry ass from the world. U need serious psychological help.
The Phucko Knows
The flight attendants sound like teachers. And like teachers, they are not among the smarter range of humans.
So to give them any benefit of doubt, we have to assume that many (most?) of them believe the panic porn they have been immersed in.
In addition, most attendants, also like teachers, are female-ish. And plenty of cognitive science suggests that females process and react to risk to a much greater (and often exaggerated degree–see “nanny”) degree than non-females.
“In addition, most attendants, also like teachers, are female-ish.”
✅
I think u mean they’re a bunch of sociological pussies.
The Phucko Knows
On my most recent flight they made an announcement reminding passengers not to remove their masks when placing their drink orders, because it “defeats the purpose”. You’re supposed to point at what you want on the handy drink chart the previous passenger sneezed on.
What, did the previous passenger not have a mask on? You know they help contain possible virus carrying particles.
But not the viruses themselves or the vapor they travel on.
Prove it. As there’s true science… And then an ass like u.
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It true, fire them all. You ain’t nothin’ but a waitress in the sky – Paul Westerberg
The young lady wearing a mask in the stock photo is very, uh, interesting. To me. As a natural reaction.
Nearly two weeks later, an American Airlines flight to London from Miami turned around about an hour into its journey because of a passenger who refused to wear a mask.
Good, I want to see every Branch Covidian late AF for their arrivals.
Of course you do.
Another dumb idea, facemasks are useless end the mandate now. if the Union doesn’t like it they can all quit, so sick and tired of being told what to do when we all know mask do not work.
Reason 9,987 for why we should dissolve the TSA…
As an immune compromised adult you’re all full of it. Obviously masks work or that suggestion wouldn’t be there. So it boils down to the poor little self absorbed Americans don’t wanna wear a mask or accept responsibility for their choices.
If you’re wearing one and it works, why do you need anyone else to wear a mask?
poor little self absorbed
Petty tyrants like you have no room to call anyone else “self-absorbed”.
-jcr
Obviously the rain-dance works or we wouldn’t do them…
Obviously the talismans ward off evil spirits or the priests wouldn’t suggest we wear them…
See how stupid it sounds?
It’s likely been 20 plus years since I last utilized air transport, the security games having become more than I was willing to put up with. Assuming that the present fiasco continues, anyone see a stop to it, it will likely be another 20 years before I again fly anywhere.
I envy you!
A search for domestic tranquility results in my continued capitulation to TSA insanity. There is no other reason.
Damn the TSA, and damn the cowards who scream “I’ll do anything, just keep me safe!”, and damn the politicians who support the outrage, and damn the wimps who capitulate. We have only ourselves to blame.
Thank you for standing proud!
As when the TSA admitted that blades less than 2″ long were probably not an issue and should be allowed onboard, the unions scream like it’s going to be open season on stewards and stewardesses.
At the very least, the TSA needs to be stripped back to it’s original mission of looking for weapons. At most, it should be disbanded and declared a national disgrace and historic mistake.
If the union employees don’t want to be around people, they are in the wrong line of work.
Time to end the BS.
“The people most at risk from COVID-19 are adults who decline to be vaccinated.”
Unless they have natural immunity. Or are reasonably healthy.
Do you feel lucky?
Only a 99.98% survival chance.
I feel it was only a matter of time before we all have to get used to wearing masks in our daily life.
These waiters and waitresses in the sky can go bite my ass.
Sooooooo much money to be made for a non-union airline that only does flights three hours or more.
Yo, Musk…. you got a spare billion?
Fly with us. Scab airlines. Breathe easy.
Well, they can just go out of business then. I’m not getting on a plane if I have to wear a mask for hours on end.
-jcr
“Given the availability of vaccines that dramatically reduce the risk of severe disease and N95 masks that protect people who wear them…”
I’d like to report misinformation.
Somehow I doubt actual flight attendants care for the mandates if it really has quadrupled (quintupled?) altercations on planes. If that’s the case, this would be yet another union sucking the cock of ultra left wing political critters to the detriment of its own members. Quelle surprise.
Well, it IS a Union. Members follow the board’s will, of course. Filthy plebs.
The author says “The people most at risk from COVID-19 are adults who decline to be vaccinated.”
I don’t believe that to be true because vaccinated people are just as capable to get or transmit the virus as unvaccinated people. There are even some reports of the virus seeming to target the vaccinated!
more and more countries are abandoning these policies as we’re already seeing in europe. as that happens we will look more and more like outliers, seeming ridiculous to the rest of the western world. i guess we don’t mind because of our opinion of this country being much better than any other country. but if the rest of the western world is much more free as is already starting to happen, then i would say that’s very debatable. as someone who has a medical exemption from a doctor, i know i would still have to go through a process just to board. and even then i’d still be very unpopular, and who knows if the airline would still be ok with all that during the flight. this is a large country. i don’t want to have to drive everywhere the rest of my life because of increasingly insane paranoia. there have been unbelievable exaggerations of masks’ effectiveness, as can be seen in state comparisons as other comments have stated. this country should NOT revolve around the paranoid forever, flight attendants and national government seeming to be the most paranoid of all. the vaccine exists. it works well at preventing bad cases. we extremely overestimate the importance of cases. what matters is the severity of cases, which can be managed by getting the shot. people should be allowed to take their own risks especially now. even democratic governors are becoming more reasonable. transportation should stop being stuck in 2020.
All Unions need to be sent through a meat grinder and be remade.
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