Pamela Moses 'Requested a Jury Trial.' So She Got 6 Years in Prison.
Shelby County District Attorney Amy Weirich said Moses would be a free woman—if she hadn't insisted on exercising her constitutional right to trial.

A Tennessee woman was sentenced last month to six years and one day in prison for illegally registering to vote while on probation. Given the nature of the offense, that punishment has been widely characterized as unnecessarily harsh by activists, advocacy groups, and the prosecutor who sought it.
One of these things is not like the other. But while Shelby County District Attorney Amy Weirich agrees that prison term isn't proportional to the offense, she says it is justified for a different reason: the defendant, Pamela Moses, insisted on going to trial.
"I gave her a chance to plead to a misdemeanor with no prison time," Weirich said in a statement. "She requested a jury trial instead. She set this unfortunate result in motion and a jury of her peers heard the evidence and convicted her."
Six years of freedom is quite the steep price to pay for exercising her constitutional right to trial.
In September 2019, Moses—who lost her voting rights after a 2015 conviction—requested that the corrections department approve a certificate to restore her right to vote, which would require the agency to confirm she had completed her probation. An officer did so and signed off.
Yet Moses' voting rights could not be restored, because the officer was wrong: Her probation wouldn't be complete until April 2022—something a judge had recently ruled on, and which the state contends Moses was well aware of prior to turning in the form.
"The narrative is that this was a voting mistake," says Larry Buser, who does research, development, and special projects for the Shelby County District Attorney's Office. "That's not what happened." Though Moses argued it was an honest error—after all, a corrections officer signed off on her paperwork—a jury didn't buy it. "Defense counsel argued that the negligence of the probation officer in relying on the Defendant's statements and his incomplete search of her records somehow excused the Defendant from her fraudulent conduct," wrote Judge W. Mark Ward in his sentencing memo. "This argument does not establish a defense under the law. It is tantamount to an argument that a person who obtains money from a bank by posing as another person is not criminally responsible because the bank should have discovered the fraud and not given money to the thief."
Moses maintains she was genuinely ill-informed. "She is right in every form, fashion to believe…that her sentence has expired, because they are the keepers' of her record," says Bede Anyanwu, Moses' attorney. "Anybody faulting her should go and examine his or her brain."
But whether or not Moses is guilty isn't a topic I'm interested in litigating. I'm more interested in the admission from DA Weirich, who, guilt or innocence aside, has acknowledged that the lengthy prison stay Moses will have is an "unfortunate result" of a defendant wanting a jury to hear her case.
Weirich's statement came in response to a segment on Rachel Maddow's MSNBC show. During that slot, the host compared Moses' case to four other voter fraud cases centered around white Republican men who usurped dead relatives' identities to vote for former President Donald Trump; three received probation, while the fourth served three days in jail. That's evocative of "two justice systems," said Maddow.
In other words, Weirich's statement was meant to rebut those claims: Moses, too, could have taken advantage of a good deal should she have wanted to. Yet that's not necessarily the strong argument Weirich thinks it is, says Carissa Byrne Hessick, a professor of law at UNC Chapel Hill and author of Punishment Without Trial: Why Plea Bargaining Is a Bad Deal. "What's stunning to me is that there is just no recognition by people inside the criminal justice system," she tells me, "that sending someone to prison for six years for exercising their constitutional right isn't equally problematic and disturbing."
Jury trials are unpredictable, time-consuming, and expensive, which explains why the government now resolves about 97 percent of cases with plea bargains. Those bargaining tactics can be coercive, aptly demonstrated by Weirich's statement: Defendants are told time and time again that, should they insist on inconveniencing the government with a trial, they'll pay for it with their liberty.
It's "utterly typical and common," says Ken White, a partner at Brown White & Osborn LLP and the man behind the popular "Popehat" Twitter account. "Prosecutors have vast power to make decisions about who gets offered what deal, and, as a result, can put people in a position where they're choosing between admitting to something they didn't do, or giving up defenses and facing a much longer sentence."
That an innocent person would willingly plead guilty to a crime they didn't commit may sound nonsensical. It sounds less so, however, when considering the choice before them: Plead guilty and minimize damage, or go to trial and risk years off your life.
Such was the crossroads in front of Levonta Barker, for instance, an Arizona man who received a 7.5-year plea deal for aggravated assault and kidnapping. The Maricopa County Attorney's Office threatened him with a "substantially harsher" punishment if he even wanted to see the evidence against him. But there was no evidence against him, because he was innocent. His attorney ultimately pointed out that, per police reports, Barker was wearing a different outfit than the one the perpetrator was seen in—something the government had not bothered to verify. He spent a month in jail before he was released.
Not everyone is so fortunate, if you can call it that. "I do this all the time. I see people accepting…pleas on charges they did not commit," says Anyanwu. "And that is very, very disheartening."
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How can we possibly make any judgements without knowing whom she planned to vote for?
For whom she planned to vote.
All trials should be jury trials.
The vast majority of them are. The problem is that plea bargains aren't trials at all
I'm not sure that's correct. I seem to recall a number (probably from Cato) that about 90 - 95% of all criminal cases are just plea bargained, and only a small portion ever go to trial.
I sat in a jury pool a few years back, and after cooling our heels and listening to the pablum video about how glorious our service was, the judge or whoever came in and told us that thanks to us just being there, the defendant had decided to simply plea down the charges and we were all free to go on our way. I smelled a rat then and it sounds as if my suspicions have been confirmed - the system is being gamed by the DA's.
That statistic about the rate of plea bargains is correct, but irrelevant.
The original statement is "All trials should be jury trials.
A plea bargain results in no trial at all.
Bench trials where the judge is also the jury are rare.
Tn is the most vile hell in the country. Most who live there practice a culture of incest and snitching. The state motto is “Spit on it Papaw it hurts.” I pray for their eternal damnation. NEVER trust a “person” from Tn.
You're just mad your sister snitched on you for sticking it in her ass.
It's Shelby County you jackass. The message being sent here is: Do not try to freeelance voter fraud - leave that to the professionals.
It's a strong argument against Maddow's 'reasoning'.
It's just a terrible defense of the actual system allowing this sort of result.
She got 6 years for the crime, not for wanting a jury trial.
Poor choice #2.
Right. She was able to fully exercise her right to a jury trial and was found guilty by the jury, and then sentenced by the judge. That's how jury trials work.
This is just a really poorly written article. Yes, prosecutors are bullies and defendants- particularly poor defendants who rely on public defenders- get strongarmed into shitty deals all the time. A quick google search could have provided pages of examples.
This is not a poorly written journalistic piece, this is a full throated activist propaganda piece.
Sorry Billy, she exercised her right to a trial, it was granted and she was found guilty. This is not a failure of the system but a feature. Now if she plead guilty to something she didn't do because the DA stacked charge after charge against her that might be an abuse, but the argument here seems to be demanding a jury trial means you must go free.
Do you guys really not get it?
Everyone in the system is of a single mind. The judges are equally in on it. They have limited space on the docket.
So they usually runner stamp plea deals.... The prosecutor is saying directly and out loud that the exact same case is a misdemeanor with no jail if you do not go to trial.
I have no idea what you guys are even thinking. Is "took a plea" the system not working? Is getting the deal with no jail time the system being broken and the 6 years in jail justice being done?
You do understand that both cannot be true, right?
The problem is that you're an incredibly stupid, left wing activist cunt deliberately mischaracterizing what happened here exactly like the author of this shit pile did. This woman was GIVEN A BREAK by the prosecutor. She was offered a plea to A LESSER CHARGE with a SMALLER SENTENCE. The state was being GENEROUS, by making a special EXCEPTION to the rule for her, because they did not believe that the statutory sentence was justice. This woman rejected the MERCY that was offered to her, faced a trial, lost, and got the statutory sentence from which the prosecutors intended to spare her. It is not the judge's fault, or the prosecutor's fault, or the court's fault, or the police's fault, or the public defender's office, or anyone's fault but this stupid bitch that she made a stupid decision and predictably lost a case for which she was completely guilty. The role of a jury trial is to apply the law, not to let persecuted minorities off the hook because pieces of shit like you think it's owed to them and the law ought to be set aside for them.
How many people in the jury pool had family who where cops? Was the father of the only black man in the pool a federal marshal at the court house? How many knew each other from the month before when they had been on a jury that returned a conviction? Where people rewarded with lesser time in prison in exchange for perjury? Was exculpatory evidence withheld? Was the lawyer who had a history of winning charged with contempt and prohibited from practicing law for seven years in federal court a month before the trial? They are pure evil. The system is corrupt to the core.
"The state was being GENEROUS"
Bootlicker comment.
Yes, there's a serious injustice in the way that we allow prosecutors to choose to under-enforce the laws with both prosecutorial discretion and excessively weak plea offers.
That this flaw in our justice system exists did not hurt Pamela Moses in any way, shape, or form simply because she was too stupid to take advantage of it.
If you want to argue that six years is too long a statutory sentence for voter fraud, I might be willing to hear that argument, but that has nothing to do with either the plea deal or her idiotic decision not to take it.
The way I see it if the prosecutor offers you a deal without prison time and the trial sentences you to 6 years there are only two possibilities:
- the prosecutor was too lenient
- the final sentence is too harsh.
Both can be true at the same time. (It is probably the case here)
"Yes, there's a serious injustice in the way that we allow prosecutors to choose to under-enforce the laws with both prosecutorial discretion and excessively weak plea offers." Those laws are the way they are in part because of those plea deals (they make deals easier and those deals in return allow some discretion).
Of course, this was NOT a shitty deal; this was a really good deal (no prison time; misdemeanor), as most are, since the DA doesn't have time to punish minor crimes.
In an ideal world, we would spend ten times as much on trials and everyone would be forced to go to trial, get convicted (95% of the time) and receive guideline punishment, which will almost always be greater than what they would get if they had accepted a plea to a misdemeanor.
Of course, this was NOT a shitty deal; this was a really good deal (no prison time; misdemeanor), as most are, since the DA doesn't have time to punish minor crimes.
In an ideal world, we would spend ten times as much on trials and everyone would be forced to go to trial, get convicted (95% of the time) and receive guideline punishment, which will almost always be greater than what they would get if they had accepted a plea to a misdemeanor. ///
People complaining about this result are not really proposing an alternative. If a jury trial could only result in a more lenient sentence, why would anyone ever take a deal. If we are going to allow plea-bargains — at all — this kind of disparity is inevitable.
Why should we allow prosecutors, with the full power of the state, to threaten people into accepting a plea bargain? Wouldn't be the first time a prosecutor has threatened an innocent person into a guilty plea instead of taking chances with a jury trial.
Exactly! The prosecutors load up the case with every charge they can think of that is only incidentally related to the prime issue. But in total, all of those charges greatly magnify the gravity for the defendant. Why, you might start adding things like jaywalking on the way to vote, just to throw in another 30 days.
"Three crimes every day".....
Ugh.
And yet she took those chances and LOST. JFC you refute your own premise.
You don't understand! She was a good black girl! She didn't deserve to be sentenced for a crime that she was found guilty of committing by a jury of her peers! It was despicable for the prosecutors to offer her a lesser charge with a lower sentence!
Exactly! However, there are cases that are purposely overcharged for political or intimidation reasons. Recent example: Rittenhouse case.
Offering a defendant a reasonable deal means they get a break and there is room on the court docket and time for investigators (who no longer have to prep for trial) to work on and prosecute other cases. They cannot process all cases so a fair offer on one case allows them to move on to the next. The danger is actually if they offer TOO GOOD of a deal. If you were not guilty, but the prosecutor offered probation, no jail, etc. you might be willing to plead just to save the cost of an attorney and potential for jail. The final sentence is up to the judge. Chances are if you have an actual case, the court will not penalize you for going to trial. But refuse a reasonable offer and then use court time for a nonsense defense, you run the risk of the court having no sympathy.
Here is an alternative:
An absolute ban on plea bargains. The prosecutor must take all cases to a jury or drop the charges.
Such a high percentage of cases currently end in plea bargains that most DA's offices wouldn't have the resources to take even half of them to trial.
Yes.
That just means we'll need to raise fines and taxes to afford more DA's. :^)
If you really believe that the DA's office will be the first government entity in history to be forced to suck less because it doesn't have the manpower or funds I have a bridge I'd like to sell you.
But that is impossible.
Are you saying that pleading guilty or pleading no lo contendre should be disallowed... Everyone automatically pleads innocent? No such thing as saying "I did it, I am sorry. Mercy please."?
The prosecutor can still charge speeding alone. Or speeding and reckless driving. Or speeding and reckless driving and child endangerment (because kid in car).... All depending on your level of cooperation.
And a jury decides innocence or guilt. But a judge applies the sentence. A judge who is part of the system and sees himself as on the same team as the prosecutor.
No, you're substituting something no one said for an argument you'd rather, because you're a lying, disingenuous piece of shit. Entering a plea of guilty or no contest is not a "plea deal", it's one of the defendant's options at trial, or during pretrial motions. A "plea deal" is when the prosecutor agrees to a guilty plea to a different, related charge to the one that's been charged in exchange for a lesser sentence than the sentence the defendant would face at trial. If plea deals were made illegal tomorrow in every jurisdiction in America, you would still be able to enter a plea of guilty or no contest, you just have to enter that as a plea TO THE FUCKING CHARGE AGAINST YOU. You wish to create an entitlement to an ultra-light sentence if you happen to be sympathetic to the defendant. A parallel justice system where black defendant's get special treatment. Because you're a racist piece of shit.
You are discussing a judicial matter, and apparently, you yourself seem to feel your argument isn’t strong enough, so you resort to foul language. Sorry, anyone in need of that has lost the argument, regardless how strong it might be.
Grow up! Don’t destroy a civilized discourse, for Pete’s sake! Particularly not on a venue named “Reason”!
That sounds about right. This Sharika person was probably raised in an environment where the parents never bothered to correct their language. And later grew up and lives in some environment that actually rewards the language; probably used to getting his/her way normally if they yell and scream enough. Doesn't work very well here though. Online no matter how much you yell & curse, no one is going to be intimated, and most people will just think you look stupid.
As for the actual story; yeah she got a raw deal. But no, it's not the DA's fault, he offered her a much better deal. Is its the Judge's fault? Could be. Is 6 years+1 day really a "mandatory" sentence? You mean the judge has no discretion? On the other hand, can the judge be faulted because he imposed the max sentence? (Actually I think so, at least somewhat. Part of the judges function is to make the punishment fit the crime. And this sentence is excessive. The human factors should be taken into consideration; otherwise, we could replace judges with computers.) And of course it's largely her fault. But I think the real culprit here (and funny no one has really mentioned it) is the excessive sentencing for this and almost all (non-violent) crimes.
"But that is impossible." In many countries of the world plea bargaining is much more limited than in the US (including in England).
"Are you saying that pleading guilty or pleading no lo contendre should be disallowed... Everyone automatically pleads innocent? No such thing as saying "I did it, I am sorry. Mercy please."?"
A guilty plea is not the same thing as a plea bargain.
And a system can work even without guilty/not guilty pleas. In most civil law countries you don't have to plead guilty or innocent at the start of a criminal trial. You can admit guilt and ask for mercy during the trial but that won't change the need for a full trial: a confession by the defendant is treated like any other piece of evidence. Admission of guilt does happen in many (most?) cases: in such a case the main goal of the trial becomes the determination of the sentence rather than the determination of the guilt.
I am not saying that this system is better. I am just saying that this is not just not "impossible", but it is rather quite common.
"And a jury decides innocence or guilt. But a judge applies the sentence. A judge who is part of the system and sees himself as on the same team as the prosecutor."
It is better to have powerful judges than powerful prosecutors (even when they are selected through the same process: at least judges are supposed to be impartial while the prosecutor is literally a party in the trial). And the jurors could have a say in the sentencing too (this is the case in my country).
Traditionally they were no powerful public prosecutors in common law countries: this is a US importation from civil law countries (nowadays it has spread in almost every common law country due in part to US influence).
I don't think that powerful public prosecutors and guilty pleas are a great mix.
There are lots of judges appointed by people who are sympathetic to criminals and/or want votes from other people who are sympathetic to criminals. Those judges certainly do not see themselves on the same team as the prosecutor. And many judges don't see themselves on any team at all. Others, having seen a lot of trials, are not all that sympathetic to repeat criminals.
Some kind of disparity yes: something like a 2 to 1 ratio or even a 3 to 1 ratio...(which is already huge)
Here it is no jail time against 6 years. A 6 to 0 ratio!
6/0 = ?
So, what, is the theory here that lying to a court should never, ever produce a bad result?
I mean, the article establishes that if you're guilty and you're foolish enough to falsely plead not guilty, you suffer negative consequences. And that if you're innocent and you're foolish enough to falsely plead guilty, you suffer negative consequences. So, the problem is?
The cases of injustice are the ones where a person pleads truly and suffers more for it, and one quite obviously can't be talking about just those cases if one is unwilling to "litigate" whether the person is actually guilty.
She didn't get 6 years for taking a jury trial. She got a jury trial for taking a jury trial.
If you're guilty, and they know it, consider taking the plea deal.
But the point is made in the article that three others charged with voter fraud got probation and one got 3 days. So, yes, the problem is that she decided to go with a trial.
The odds are that they packed the jury pool, withheld exculpatory evidence, and suborned perjury. Due process is nothing but a dog and pony show.
So you're retarded, got it. The DA offered her reduced consequences but she insisted and rather than the sweetheart deal offered to her she got the raw deal the law demanded and your problem is she wasn't given a free pass, or the lesser of all realized options? JFC you are stupid and cannot differentiate between abuse and obstinate refusal to be helped.
Justice should be about determining truth and punishing the guilty according to their crimes. The innocent taking plea deals are being unjustly punished. The guilty taking plea deals aren't being punished enough. Whatever these wildly off-base plea deals are, they aren't justice.
You don't seem to understand the issues at play.
She had a legitimate argument that she was not guilty. The case turns on an obscure legal judgement... Does the state signing off on her voting rights count, or does it not count?
She argued that she acted in good faith, followed the rules and procedures of the state, the state signed off and she was allowed to vote. The state made an error in calculating dates and she relied on this finding by the state.
Your notion is that if you legitimately have a case for innocence (and this is a legitimate argument on the law and culpability) you should just suck it up and declare yourself guilty anyway.
That is a ludicrous conclusion, and certainly not the way you would want to conduct your own affairs.
Let us consider that for a moment. Let's have you standing accused of murder. Let's make it complicated... You are Kyle Rittenhouse. You are convinced that you have a solid case for self defense. You are offered a year in jail and a manslaughter felony if you plead guilty. You face life without parole if you go to trial.
Neither option is great... But one is catastrophic. And you are convinced of your innocence. But you are also convinced that the jury pool is stacked against you, since your case is in San Francisco instead of Wisconsin and the judge is a BLM supporter.
Now what? Is this justice? Are you simply rolling the dice and taking your chances? Or is the system stacked against you?
And she took that argument to a jury. They decided she was guilty. She went to trial. She lost. That's not the prosecutor's fault, the judge's fault, the jury's fault, the system's fault, or anybody's fault other than hers. What you want is a parallel justice system for your favored minorities where they face lesser consequences and no accountability without the state exercising mercy. Because you're a racist piece of shit.
No, she didn't, as the judge explicitly detailed in the sentencing memo. Though given your standards of argument, I understand why you're worried about lying sacks of shit actually getting called on it.
What problem? She was free to take a deal as well. The point being left out is that she was found GUILTY by a Jury. If the Jury would have found her NOT GUILTY there would have been no sentence.
I agree with those who say that Prosecutors pile on charges, to force plea agreements, but, from the looks of things this wasn't a case of that. The people who say that this is an activist propaganda article are correct. It was as soon as Maddow, white men and Trump were mentioned.
Had she taken the deal, she would have gotten pretty much the same slap on the wrist that the two white guys from PA got- misdemeanor, no jail time. But she CHOSE the jury trial. The white guys, had they chosen the jury trial, would also have faced much steeper penalties, but they didn't. They took the deal.
Also not mentioned in the article: she has a record of 20 felonies. I googled the case, and there's plenty of ink about her sob story, but virtually no mention of the evidence presented by the prosecution that convinced the jury.
Oh, and she also founded a local BLM chapter. And her case is being used by BLM to further the cause of "fighting voter supression."
Do your fucking research, Billy. There are thousands of other cases you could use to illustrate prosecutorial abuse of plea bargains, but this ain't it.
If 6 years is justice, then 3 days or 0 days for the same crime is sure as hell not justice. THAT IS the prosecutorial abuse - letting someone who committed a serious crime off with a slap on the wrist just to save the prosecutor's office a little time.,
Also, if you're innocent and they know it, consider taking the plea deal.
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I don't understand what the outrage is about. She is obviously guilty of voter fraud and she received the correct sentence for that under the law. She did not admit guilt, showed no remorse and cost the tax payer a lot of money.
The other defendants admitted their guilt and spared the tax payer the expense of a trial, that's why they received a much lighter sentence.
If you are guilty of a crime, don't show remorse, and then impose large costs on tax payers, why shouldn't you receive the standard sentence that the law provides for?
If it denies the Biden campaign one vote... then the sentence was too harsh.
She had no intent to commit the offense, and was relying on her parole officer to tell her when she was in the clear. This was a government fuck-up, and punishing her for it is simply churlish.
You're a bootlicking piece of shit.
-jcr
The jury didn't believe that. That's why she was found guilty and sentenced to six years.
It's not her parole officer's job to tell her when her parole is over.
No, you are a bootlicking piece of shit: progressives dangle some bogus sob story in front of you and you do everything you can to do their propaganda for them.
Is it really not the parole officers job to know when parole is over?
If not, why do the have the parole officer being the one to sign off on it?
The judge's reasoning sounds ludicrous. His scenario is in no way analagous.
If you want to use a banking scenario, the proper analogy would be going to the teller and asking them to close out your account and they hand you the balance of $1,473.00. You walk out and the police come a day later and charge you with bank theft because there was really only $1,378.00 in the account.
Would you take that to court and argue that you relied on the bank to know the balance? What if they offered a misdemeanor conviction for bank fraud and no jail time. But if convicted you could get anything from probation to 10 years in prison. What do you do?
His signature just means that he doesn't have any objections, nothing more. He doesn't, and can't, know the entirety of the legal situation of the parolee.
And if the court believes that you had reason to know that the bank handed you too much money, that may be reasonable.
In any case, that's not what this article is about. The article doesn't dispute that the woman was lawfully convicted under the laws that are on the books. Six years is the penalty. Maybe that's too long; I'm not defending the law, I'm saying it seems to have been applied correctly.
The article actually criticizes the fact that you can reduce your convictions by plea bargaining. However, I see nothing wrong with that. Plea bargaining is foremost an admission of guilt and a sign of remorse, and since rehabilitation is a major goal of our justice system, that's why people get a reduction in sentence. Obviously, that's absent in this case, hence no reduction.
But you don't understand! She wuz a gud girl! She didn't do nuffin!
The reason it "sounds ludicrous" is that you're believing the story of a conwoman convicted in 2015 of evidence-tampering, forgery, and perjury as to how things went down. Lots of true things "sound ludicrous" if you're silly enough to start from the assumption that a proven liar's story is the truth.
The jury didn't believe that.
The persecutor was a better propagandist than her defense attorney. Juries often get things wrong, this is one such instance.
-jcr
That's why there's an appeal process, which she's using. She is fully able to exercise her rights, she has a lawyer, and she's doing so.
The jury listened to hours of testimony. You read a news article by a journalist with an ax to grind. Yet, somehow you think you are the arbiter of right and wrong in this case?
Amy Weirich is a cunt.
-jcr
No, Pamela Moses, the criminal who deliberately illegally voted and then refused mercy when it was offered because she expected to be treated with kid gloves by a jury, is a cunt. And so are you for making excuses for her and trying to set up a parallel justice system to deal with the very special minorities you like. Fuck you, you racist piece of shit.
I make no excuses for her. There was no mens rea in this case. She didn't know that she was committing an offense, and you're the scumbag who's trying to make this a racial issue.
-jcr
If you believe the claims of an evidence-tamperer, forger, and perjurer that her subsequent-to-those-convictions act of voter fraud was an honest mistake, you should check your self-portrait under "gullible" in the dictionary.
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My very special minorities were not exempted from generally applicable laws when they voluntarily chose a jury trial and lost!!!!!
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The problem was not that she demanded a jury trial that found her guilty, but the pretrial investigation for sentencing and the sentencing judge. Sounds like a case of judicial retribution for having demanded her constitutional right.
Sounds like a case of judicial retribution for having demanded her constitutional right.
That's the point of the article. This isn't an isolated incident. It's standard practice.
I don't see where the "retribution" is supposed to come from. The sentence is appropriate for her crime.
If she had shown contrition, the sentence would have been reduced.
Isn't it a felony (perjury?) to accept a plea deal when innocent?
That's the catch-22 that the lefturds pulled on Gen. Flynn, wasn't it?
-jcr
I'd say even if she knowingly did all of this, as a taxpayer i don't want her in prison for 6 years.
Non-violent offense? She will most certainly not spend much (if any) additional time behind bars.
There has to be more to this story. How is this crime punishable with jail time? Even if we accepted that probies shouldnt be able to vote (they should), 6 years in jail is clearly cruel and unusual. A fine or community service would be appropriate.
Actually, people convicted of fraud-related offenses against the honest functioning of government (like Pamela Moses's 2015 felony convictions for evidence-tampering and forgery, and her misdemeanor conviction for perjury) should be permanently stripped of any right to participate in the governance of others, including the rights to vote, serve on a jury, hold public office, and be employed by the government. Giving them back those rights after completing probation (much less while still on probation) is simply idiotic; they've proven they can't be trusted with them.
Six years is probably too long (though let's remember she'll get out on probation), but a solid stretch in prison is entirely appropriate for someone with a pattern and habit of fraud.
If you think the crime deserved "a solid stretch in prison", then why don't you disapprove of the prosecutor's offer to let her off with no time by pleading guilty? Six years and zero days for the same act by the same person cannot both be correct. The prosecutor was abusing the system one way or the other.
If she had accepted the deal, she would have admitted guilt and shown contrition. That’s part of the reason for the justice system.
Since she is incorrigible, she should serve the full term.
Yes. A contested trial only indicates guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.
Confessions are absolute admission of guilt.
Actually, no citizen who is subject to taxation should be stripped of representation and the right to choose that representation. If they are in jail, different story.
"sending someone to prison for six years for exercising their constitutional right"
Lie.
She was sent to prison for committing a crime. They don't give you a harsh sentence for demanding a trial. They give you a light sentence for giving up your right to a trial. The default is, simply, do the crime, do the time. You don't see any of these nimrods demanding that everyone go to trial - as they should, in a perfect world. If they did, the same morons would be demanding plea deals.
You're an idiot, Binion. Just like this woman.
Six years of freedom is quite the steep price to pay for exercising her constitutional right to trial.
She's not in jail because she requested a trial. She's in jail because the jury put her there.
She's the victim of the leftist media she consumes.
Because of the endless media drumbeat about how no one is on Trump's side, hoe everyone loves Biden and Kamala and how the people who think the election was stolen are real and wanna-be J6 insurrectionists this woman firmly believed that a jury would celebrate her attempt to fraudulently vote.
She was wrong.
The DA, quite possibly just as much of an idiot Democrat as this woman, knew better and bargained her down to no jail, but a guilty plea.
She didn't take it because she thought that she was on the 'right side of history'.
And now she's paying for the lies of the left wing media. Of you, Binion.
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I'm a defense attorney. First: most people charged with a crime are guilty of something or they never would have been arrested in the first place. Cops have better things to do than arrest people for nothing. Some are obviously guilty and some cases leave wiggle room for a defense or mitigation. Some are absolutely not guilty.
Second: Juries are notoriously unpredictable. Many people have been released from prison, even death row, when new, scientific evidence showed their innocence. But that only happens for major felonies. Misdemeanor convictions are never reviewed with this level of scrutiny.
If a defendant chooses a jury trial, he or she is putting their fate in the hands of people who know nothing about the justice system. Her attorneys had the opportunity to present their defense. The jury didn't buy it. This article doesn't say if the prosecutor made a sentencing recommendation to the judge, but it was the judge, not the prosecutor, who imposed the sentence. Sometimes you have to be careful what you wish for.
Wait, so she was charged with a felony but they offered her a misdemeanor plea deal - which she rejected. Then, tried by a jury of her peers, she was convicted and sentenced to six years. Explain to me how this is anything but her fault because she, a. Committed a FELONY and b. Refused a very, very generous plea deal? Once she rejected the deal, she put her fate in the hands of the jury. Not the prosecutor’s fault. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
To me this sounds like a bad example of a real problem.
The plea bargain issue is real. Prosecutors stacking the deck is real. You can also spend years in jail without a trial when the bail is set high enough, and when they keep tacking on new charges and dragging their feet about discovery .
But maybe this isn’t the most sympathetic case one can find. Maybe voter fraud is an especially touchy issue with some people in the comment section right now.
It’s like police killings . There are real systematic issues with training and the specific laws they’re enforcing. Militarization of the cops is a thing, as well. But maybe Michael Brown and many of the others that make it to the front pages aren’t the real best examples of that.
(Off duty) Cops in my county crushed a a guy with down syndromes windpipe because he wanted to stay in a theatre and watch a movie again. And they made him freak out when they rousted him. Then they tried to blame the on the paramedics. The sheriff refused to charge his buddies. And the judge wouldn’t even hear a civil case.
Never made it past local news story.
The incredible contention that the pardoned party is responsible for ensuring the accuracy of their state-issued documents violates fundamental constitutional rights. Making the recipient liable for the state's errors sounds like something straight out of the Jim Crow Era.
As citizen of one and inhabitant of another non-common law country I am puzzled by the absence of one crucial legal argument: if the difference between sentencing after a jury trial and a plea deal is so dramatic, does it not imply the statute and the sentencing guide lines are faulty? Is it really such serious an offense that allows an enormous discretion given to the prosecution? Does the urge of legislators to appear tough on crime outdo any proportionality between offense and sanction? A sort of silent agreement seems to exist: we the legislators play it tough, you the prosecutors may adorn your curriculum with a few, high publicity scalps while compensating the excessiveness of the law by plea deals behind the curtain that do not affect your own HeMan image.
Something is very, very rotten in the kingdom of the US judiciary.
Your points are all really well made. They all have their hand in the cookie jar, legislators, DA's, cops & judges. It's why most of the public with a brain realizes there's very little justice in the so-called justice system. Just attend traffic court pretty much anywhere and see what the odds are of an actual fair trial. But yes, the scum starts at the top, with the legislators and whoever decides what sentence lengths should be. That's one reason jails are so overcrowded; the system has been broken for a long time. Now I'll get off the rant for a moment and say, the reason for the great difference between the punishment w/plea deal vs without; the DA (who has way too much power, along with the judges) is the party responsible for charging for Any crime. If the DA decides not to prosecute at all, they can do so. And for whatever the police brought her in for, the DA can pick from a list of crimes to charge her with. As part of the plea-deal, the DA was willing to charge her with a misdemeanor, which usually carries a sentence of < 1 year, and usually fulfilled with a fine & no jail time. But since she "didn't play ball", the DA charged her with a much more serious crime, a felony. Carries a much bigger sentence. Generally judges have a wide latitude when it comes to the actual sentences too, though there are usually min & max amounts for each crime. But the laws for some crimes are written so the judge has little or no discretion, or minimums so ridiculously large it doesn't matter.
Regardless in this case whether she is innocent or guilty, the dirty open secret in this country is that if you ask for a constitutionally protected right of trial by jury instead of taking what a prosecutor offers, you will be punished more severely.
That's probably what the article was trying to say. However its not that simple. First, it's hardly a secret, I think most people know, at least on some level, that defendants will get a much worse sentence if they're found guilty that if they had taken the offered deal. Now that's partially because they insisted on their right to a jury trial, but also because the DA has been given free reign to pick a lesser charge or no charge at all. Secondly, that's it's not necessarily the case. If the jury finds them Not Guilty, they aren't punished at all. Now is there any real chance of that? In a country where even a defense attorney (above) says most people arrested are guilty, the public perception (just like the attorney) is that the cops wouldn't have arrested you if you weren't guilty. That's total BS of course, plenty of cops have reasons to arrest people whether or not they committed a crime; and they have so little oversight, they usually get away with it. But because of this perception, the deck is already stacked against you when you get to the courtroom. In a system that *claims* you are innocent, and the prosecution must *prove* your guilt, in reality you have to actually prove your innocence, if you can.
The problem isn't that she got 6 years, that seems to have been what she deserves. The problem is that if she hadn't gone to jury trial she'd have gotten off with trivial punishment. I mean not even going to jail for a year for election fraud? WTF? It's a direct attack on the integrity of the system, but we're going to give you probation?
Plea deals aren't just bad because innocents go to jail, they're bad because the guilty don't. or they go for absurdly short times.
No you're wrong in my opinion, and I believe most reasonable people would agree you're wrong. No, the problem IS that she got 6 years, and definitely more than what she deserves. That is, at least based on the story we were told. "A direct attack on the integrity of the system". Please, give us a break and save that rhetoric for your next election campaign. She was 1 person casting 1 vote. She wasn't trying to cast dozens or hundreds of fake ballots, cast a vote as a dead person or anyone else other than herself. Heck she appears to even have used her real name. Her ability or inability to vote may even have been a clerical error (if you believe her argument). So yes, I believe probation with no jail time is entirely reasonable. Save the more serious time for people *Actually trying to illegally influence the outcome of the election*. Not for someone casting one vote as themselves who may or may not have understood they weren't eligible to vote. But no, the law is either poorly written to not make a distinction between the two, or the judge is an ass (or both). Now I believe in standing on principals, but she wasn't very bright (in my opinion) to reject the DA's offer. This whole mess would have been long over and done with.
This raises the real question 'why should stupid people like her be allowed to vote in the first place?'.
Senator Roman Hruska answered that a long time ago, in a 36-word paragraph that is generally condensed to "Mediocre people need representation, too." Unfortunately, he was talking about a nominee for the Supreme Court - and perhaps also himself.