Free the Art! Sell the Art!
Countless works of art are locked in museum basements. Why not put them back on the open market?

Deaccession is a classic euphemism. When I first heard it, I assumed it was a parody of bureaucracy-speak or a flimsy attempt at linguistic camouflage, like getting a break-up note that says, "I'm not leaving you, honey; I'm just failing to disexit the relationship." I assume it was intended to ease the blow of a headline. If a museum of art "dumps," "offloads," "sells," "liquidates," or just "gets rid of" some of its holdings, that sounds like the museum is in financial difficulties. But if we call it "deaccessioning," some coiner of weasel words decided, then no one will really mind or even notice.
People notice anyway.
It is widely acknowledged that there can be legitimate reasons for a museum to trim its collection—for example, to repatriate looted artworks to their native lands. Indeed, deaccessioning is often justified on political grounds. Last year, when the Baltimore Museum of Art (BMA) proposed to auction off Warhol's Last Supper and abstractions by Clyfford Still and Brice Marden at a total anticipated value of $65 million, the curators justified it by gesturing to the institution's new "equity-based vision." The sales, they said, were part of a "rigorous reimagining" of the BMA's "art historical and institutional ethos," suggesting that they were specifically deleting works by white men in order to create a more diverse collection.
Even so, the proposed sale generated a lot of outrage. The Los Angeles Times' art critic, Christopher Knight, called it "vandalism," "an ugly swindle," a "colossal art museum scandal," and a "cringe-inducing carelessness" intended to "trash the art collection." Knight argued that sales from a museum's collection should never be used to fund its operating expenses, as if every museum in the world had unlimited funds and thus the luxury of holding on to everything forever.
Knight isn't alone. Many commentators believe that no museum should ever disobtain any significant work of art except to repatriate it—particularly when the museum proposes to put the work back onto the private market. The idea appears to be that museums should have all the art.
The underlying justification for that is the admirable notion that all the important art should be available for the public to view and for scholars to study. If it is put up for auction, it is said, it might just disappear.
It also might not, of course. Some of the most aggressive buyers on the art market, for example, are private collections operating museums, such as Mitchell and Emily Wei Rales' Glen-stone in Potomac, Maryland. Many or most major collectors show the work they own in different contexts, including at major public museums.
In any case, the argument that major museums should have all the important art because it then will be available for public view is detached from reality. That's not how these institutions operate. At any given time, the Guggenheim displays about 2 percent of its collection. In 2015, according to the BBC, the Museum of Modern Art (MOMA) was showing 24 of its 1,221 works by Picasso, one of its 145 by Ed Ruscha, nine of its 156 Mirós. Many less familiar but important artists are kept completely in storage, virtually all of their work invisible.
My partner, Jane Irish, is a painter. In 2013, in a complex transaction, her gallery sold her anti-war painting Operation RAW Tableau to a collector, who donated it immediately to the Hirshhorn Museum in D.C., the whole process shepherded along by curators at the museum. That's a fairly typical way for a work to enter a museum collection. The collector specifically believed that the work, a historical treatment of Vietnam Veterans Against the War, ought to be on display in D.C. The museum appeared to agree.
Jane was happy about the transaction at the time. Not only is it a nice résumé item to be in the Hirshhorn's collection, but the heart of her decadeslong project is bringing attention to the courage of anti-war veterans. Though the work was about Vietnam, it was made in the context of the war on terror; it commented on the situation obliquely. But throughout the Iraq and Afghan wars, even as new anti-war veterans' groups emerged, the Hirshhorn never showed the painting. She has not herself seen it since the sale. She has no idea where it is. The average art patron who might be interested in her work will never know it exists.
It's over there somewhere, in a vault or an offsite storage facility. Possibly she could arrange to see it herself by making a series of appointments. Possibly a scholar could access it through some elaborate request process. But no one is going to run into it unexpectedly and become interested.
She had a similar experience with the Philadelphia Museum of Art. Many people have had similar experiences; it is typical of artists whose reputation is relatively high, but who are not superstars. It's almost as though these museums are buying works of art in order to hide them away.
The sculptor Scott Burton died of AIDS in 1989, as his reputation and the prices of his stone tables and chairs were rising, and left his estate to the Museum of Modern Art (MOMA), an act of generosity for which the museum declared itself grateful. Burton didn't want his work auctioned off on the private market after his death, because he wanted it to be publicly accessible rather than to be lawn furniture for rich people's gardens. That was something of the point of his art, which tried to blur the distinction between the aesthetic and the practical. Burton wanted to make works of art that people could use.
But MOMA appears to be just as sensitive to pricing as private collectors are. As Burton's prices sank in the 2010s, MOMA stored its holdings. Burton's work has been broadly influential, particularly on "environmental artists" who work in stone and other natural materials, but he never got the retrospective he imagined.
If Burton wanted his work shown, he would have been better off willing it to an estate with guidelines for public and private sale. I'm not sure whether a privately owned work is more likely to be on public view than a work in a major museum's collection, nor do I know how exactly one would go about measuring this. But it's not obvious that the comparison favors public museums.
The world's art economy was worth something like $65 billion in 2019, but it slumped to about $50 billion in 2020. Though the market is now rebounding, the COVID-induced decline in museum attendance led the Association of Art Museum Directors to relax its guidance on deaccessioning. For a temporary period, it would not "censure or sanction" museums that used money raised by selling art for general operating expenses, as opposed to future acquisitions.
New York's Metropolitan Museum—which displays less than 5 percent of its holdings—estimates its COVID-related losses at $150 million, for example. It therefore proposes to auction prints and photographs by Roy Lichtenstein, Frank Stella, and others at Christie's. The Brooklyn Museum has been particularly active in the relaxed atmosphere, auctioning old masters and impressionists with Sotheby's.
Smaller institutions have had proportionately greater budget crises. The di Rosa Center for Contemporary Art in Napa Valley, which emphasizes artists from northern California, has faced a series of semibiblical plagues. The Nuns Fire damaged the grounds in 2017; there was an earthquake in 2018; and now there's COVID-19. At one point it was rumored that the di Rosa was going to sell many of its most valuable works, including sculptures by Mark di Suvero. The artist himself and many others protested vociferously, but the di Rosa did eventually deaccession works by some lesser-known artists.
When the pandemic is over, the Association of Art Museum Directors will presumably return to its traditional position: Even if an institution has gone through what the di Rosa Center has been through, the only legitimate reason it can deaccession works is to fund future acquisitions. This seems not just unrealistic but undesirable. It suggests a steady accretion of art in museum basements, with the officers upstairs selling materials only to buy more, and then probably only to one another.
Knight compares the recent wave of deaccessions to internet scammers selling ersatz COVID cures, taking advantage of people in a vulnerable moment in order to make money. A number of commentators have accused museums of using the pandemic as an excuse to get rid of work.
That charge strikes me as bizarre. I can't imagine that museum directors are looking for gratuitous excuses to get rid of Warhols; any collection is more distinguished with some Warhols than without them. The idea that someone is sitting at the National Gallery rubbing his hands and going, "Now's our chance to auction off that Titian!" is implausible.
I can well imagine them saying "We're out of storage space," though.
In one patch, the upper end of the art world looks like a classic market, with supply and demand establishing prices as private galleries and auction houses connect sellers and buyers. Other zones seem socialist, with governments as primary patrons, as in national or municipal galleries, and with state agencies in charge of installing works in many public spaces. And in a third bit, the art world looks like almost nothing in economic theory: It's an archipelago of foundations, corporate or billionaire funding sources, and public-private bureaucracies, each with somewhat different emphases and purposes.
The Baltimore Museum of Art did not sell those works after all, thanks to "the generosity" of contributors, including major donations from the Rouse Foundation and from the collector Eileen Harris Norton. Such fundraising methods are not usually available to manufacturers, or for that matter to government agencies. The contributions lifted the BMA out of the grubby world of buying and selling (though they left it with its white-guy problem).
The mixed model has its strengths. It populates many sites, from public megamuseums and smaller private ones to galleries and public squares and private homes, with many sorts of works. If this leads to problems—for example, to concentrations of some of the good art in the hands of wealthy people, or to banal public art sponsored by governments, or to obscure and problematic lines of patronage—it also leads, overall, to a pretty wide public access to a pretty good range of works at reasonable cost.
It would be desirable to enhance this: to have more good art more widely available to more people more of the time. That, really, should be the goal of public art policy, and it ought to be the goal of the Association of Art Museum Directors as well. And there's one result that they therefore should try to avoid: funneling all the art into the vaults beneath the Met.
Deaccessioning, in at least some cases, means setting art free from a dungeon, paroling beauty back into the outside world. We may not be entirely certain what will happen to a particular work after a museum unbuys it, though valuable objects tend to be preserved no matter who owns them. But overall, it'll be better for everyone, museum and patron alike, if the art keeps circulating.
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Reminds me of a joke from very early in the computer days; load some small software onto your co-worker's computer, so that when he fires it us, and makes first entry, it says, "Sorry, Dave, I can't do that! Hunt and peck inputs are rejected!" (Before passwords for security, and all, were strictly un-avoidable).
We need more artsy and less fartsy! The value of "art" is 95% or more about whose NAME is attached to the art (the so-called "artist", even if 97% of the actual WORK done on the piece, is done by the flunkies of the "artist" who "oversees" the work). And to be a new stylish "artist", you'd better be a favored minority! Or be named Hunter Biden!
https://nypost.com/2021/12/06/wh-flags-art-market-as-money-laundering-haven-amid-hunter-biden-shows/
https://www.npr.org/2021/07/14/1015895944/the-latest-ethical-pitfalls-involving-joe-bidens-son-hunter
Hunter Biden's Paintings Are Going On Sale, Drawing Critics Of Art And Ethics
FAKE SCANDAL
#StopSmearingHunterBiden
#StopSmearing,HunterBiden
#StopSmearingHunter,Biden
Didn't hunter smear stuff on a family member?
He only smears stuff on NFT's
FAKE SCANDAL
Not so at wingnut.com. What Hunter Biden does with his paintings are the biggest political scandal since Barack Obama wore a tan suit in the White House.
#NeedDurhamToInvestigateHunterBiden
LOL
I'm disappointed I wasn't old enough to vote for Obama. Just imagine — a President whose only "scandal" was a tan suit.
And the very next guy? Putin's Puppet? Literally put kids in cages. A shocking contrast.
#IMissObama
#DemocratsDontCageKids
Wait. Hold on.
Are you saying first-time artist Hunter Biden selling five art prints for $75K each to Democratic Party donors and influencers, at a gallery (Berges Gallery) owned by a Democratic Party donor, is kosher and shouldn't be examined?
Yes or no?
Shrike used to complain about trumps kids having unpaid positions in the administration.
Hunter is just a modern day Renaissance man who can do any million dollar job in corrupt countries.
Hunter's a literal polymath, as long as it pays very well his capabilities are unlimited.
That's why we can excuse him for eccentricities like fucking his underage niece.
Does Hunter have full security clearance like Jared Kushner did?
Does he have a formal role like Trump's brats did?
As far as a Special Investigator to look at Hunter Biden's art sales -don't be ridiculous.
Unless they were sold to Putin. That would be dicey.
Trump's "brats" had security clearance because they were doing a job that required it and they weren't being paid for. Literally the opposite of Hunter.
Given that Kushner gave us the Abraham Accords I'd say he was damn good at it too. An achievement that your deep state funktionshäftlings never achieved over sixty years of trying.
Mildly surprised that Biden didn’t win a Nobel peace prize for that.
Is shrike an anti-Semite? It would track with the rest of his horrible positions.
"Does he have a formal role like Trump's brats did?"
According to his own emails, influence peddling and giving his Dad a 'taste'.
Maybe Kushner should be investigated for opening a "secret and secure communications channel" with the Kremlin as a representative of the Trump campaign.
No collusion?
bullshit
Did you comain when Obama did that during his post election time period? Oh wait. This is the ignorance youre so familiar with. Incoming presidents and their staff members often do this dummy.
turd lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a TDS-addled asshole, a trafficker in kiddie porn, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
Maybe you want to explain exactly what "Kushner's secret and secure communications channel with the Kremlin as a representative of the Trump campaign" actually was, instead of leaving it to bullshit inferences so you can peddle a completely discredited narrative.
Come on. Out with it, you dishonest fuck.
Maybe explain to us all about why Soros's very own private investigator who manufactured the McCain's Senate Committee's phony Russia evidence based on regular marketing emails, wasn't criminal collusion while you're at it.
It was standard communications prior to an inauguration. State was basically ignoring trump and trying to set him up with trump russia.
Did trump fly Kushner on AF1 to meet with Chinese business interests who then gifted Kushner millions of dollars?
Pure CT.
Hunter Biden was not "gifted" a penny by China, you Alex Jones moron.
turd lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a TDS-addled asshole, a trafficker in kiddie porn, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
Hunter Biden was not "gifted" a penny by China
Who the hell do you imagine your tricking? You don't even believe that.
It was a lot more than a penny.
It wasn't a penny, it was ~30 mill dollars
https://nypost.com/2021/11/28/chinese-titan-lavished-hunter-biden-with-3-carat-gem-offer-of-30-million/
You are really fucking dumb shrike.
Want the millions he got through a cut out?
Hunter Biden art does concern me, to be clear about it. However, this is an opportune time to call attention to the hyper-partisans, who will “refute” what you say, by pointing out that your source is “from the wrong tribe”!
Leftist media bias by Vox is a fib sometimes! Hunter Biden art…
https://www.vox.com/2021/8/3/22601671/hunter-biden-art-sales-walter-shaub “Why Obama’s former ethics czar is highly critical of Hunter Biden’s lucrative art sales … There have been many bad-faith “scandals” linked to the president’s son. Walter Shaub thinks this one should be taken seriously.
I wonder if the Trumpaloos will now show up to say that Vox is liberally biased, and can't be trusted? This here “Vox” article MUST mean that Hunter Biden is a GREAT artist, and there are NO opportunities for corruption, here!
https://www.allsides.com/news-source/vox-news-media-bias
“VOX” rated as far-left as is allowed… The needle is pegged!
PROOF, then, that Hunter Biden art is of NO concern to stalwart conservatives and Trumpaloos! (Since Vox always lies, of course).
Hunter Biden art does concern me, to be clear about it. However, this is an opportune time to call attention to the hyper-partisans
Speaking of hyper-partisans, can you point to a post of yours that didn't feature you crying and lying about Trump or anyone to the right of Pol Pot?
If You (Oh Queen of internet cesspools) were NOT a lazy moron, You'd be able to read the below, AND at least SKIM the links, and THEN tell me how hyper-tribal I am! Hyper-tribal Jesus-killer!
The intelligent, well-informed, and benevolent members of tribes have ALWAYS been resented by those who are made to look relatively worse (often FAR worse), as compared to the advanced ones. Especially when the advanced ones denigrate tribalism. The advanced ones DARE to openly mock “MY Tribe’s lies leading to violence against your tribe GOOD! Your tribe’s lies leading to violence against MY Tribe BAD! VERY bad!” And then that’s when the Jesus-killers, Mahatma Gandhi-killers, Martin Luther King Jr.-killers, etc., unsheath their long knives!
“Do-gooder derogation” (look it up) is a socio-biologically programmed instinct. SOME of us are ethically advanced enough to overcome it, using benevolence and free will! For details, see http://www.churchofsqrls.com/Do_Gooders_Bad/ and http://www.churchofsqrls.com/Jesus_Validated/ .
Tribal enough to post that mound of crazy.
Vox - the archetypal broken clock.
turd lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a trafficker in kiddie porn, a TDS-addled asshole and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
No one had shit up the thread until you arrived, Sevo.
You're like Hit & Run's very own laxative.
No, that's you. You started this, you malevolent fuck.
turd traffics in kiddie porn, is a TDS-addled asshole and a pathological liar; turd is entirely too stupid to remember which lie he told just minutes ago.
turd also gets upset when he is called on his constant lying.
You’re like Hit & Run’s very own Jared from Subway.
Nobody who isn't a far leftist moron thinks Hunters art is worth tens of thousands of dollars let alone 75k per. You shit up the thread posting leftist idiocy.
You shit up the thread by your mere continuance here.
Pluggo is the incontinental champion
I had no idea the art world was so dysfunctional. I knew museums had most of their collection in storage and their displays rotated through everything. But 2%. 5%? And so much of it that simply disappears from sight for decades, probably centuries for some museums by now.
Then top it off with all the purists who can't stand the idea of private property, and can't abide the basic economics of selling assets to stay open so the remaining now 3% or 6% can continue to be shown, O The Horror!
No museums close enough to where I live to see much, but when I have, it has always been depressing to see with dreck or the same classics. Sorry for not being snobbish enough to appreciate the fine differences between one Rubens and the other five in the same gallery, or did they just rotate a couple and I don't remember what was there six months ago?
Off-topic a little: someone woke me up a few years back to how many pictures of sailing ships, especially ones from the days before steam, show the flags flying in the wrong direction. Sails bellied out as if a trailing wind pushing them along, yet pennants streaming backwards. Now that would be an interesting exhibit -- some museum put out all their sailing ship paintings where the pennants are wrong. Heck, I'd pay a little and make the long drive to see that!
Artists are exempt from following THE SCIENCE. It is called "artistic license." You really don't think George Washington stood up while crossing the Delaware River do you? There's a statue in Philly of a Civil War general where he's wearing a Greek warrior's helmet and striding between two tigers. And dogs playing poker...come on!
The painting should have been dogs playing dominoes. Their penchant for liking bones…
Racist.
Not all of the dogs were African American Labradors. There were two pitbulls in there too!
Here is a sample of MY kind of art... Totally, 100% photo-realistic!
https://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B08LP1SVCN/reasonmagazinea-20/
I figured that would be your Venus. I didn't doubt it for a second.
I bet you own two copies. One for display and one to get sticky when you're listening to Rachael Maddow.
Oh Great Christian Theologian... Is Jesus STILL telling You to encourage people to commit suicide?
No, but Buddha says you should.
This subject is a bit off color for Reason. I was wondering what had drawn them into this debate. Framing the issue as one of private property vs public goods is quite the master stroke.
They must have started with a clean canvas and not waited for inspiration.
You’re painting this with very broad strokes. I find that sketchy and shall give your critique the brush off if you can’t clarify the big picture.
So we can pencil you in as not impressed?
Your critique is a bit abstract. Are you complaining that Reason is coloring outside the lines?
The whole thing is a bit sketchy.
Oils well that ends well.
Getting straight to the pointilist.
There’s a good Econtalk episode on this topic. I think this is it:
https://www.econtalk.org/michael-ohare-on-art-museums/
The collection is like someone’s wardrobe. You don’t get to see everything they have to wear all at the same time.
I recall the BMA having the monicker “The prostitute of the arts” some years ago.
The American Visionary Art Museum, also located in Baltimore, displayed outsider art created by talented geniuses.
For traditionalists and kids, Walters Art Museum will satisfy more than the BMA. It too is located in Charm City.
Outsider Art fascinates and simultaneously creeps me out, even the innocuous stuff.
There's often an element of madness to what is collected.
It is a bit of a distance between the prairies and Baltimore, not to mention many socialist checkpoints and freelance rent seekers. Maybe check them out online to see if what they are displaying is worth that journey; visits to the Visionary were always rewarding
Oh I wasn't criticizing, Chumby. Like I said it fascinates me.
But you can't deny the Lovecraftian/Hieronymus Bosch elements in many of the more well collected works.
I saw that. Thought it might be worth your visit, depending on what they are featuring. But it is a distance for you…Art should make one think. And the Visionary always delivered.
Only the experts can curate art so the uneducated can experience it correctly. Rich people are supposed to make donations of art to museums, not bid it up and hoard it for themselves. Art belongs to us all.
Unless you're unvaccinated and live in NY. Then, fuck you.
Natural history museums do the same thing with artifacts that don't fit the established narrative.
The Cardiff Giant gives a huge thumbs up.
I have a cardboard cutout of the Cardiff Giant, which P. T. Barnum sold to me, while PROMISING that it would come to life, when there will be PROOF that Der BidenFuhrer stole the elections from Der TrumpfenFuhrer!
You're not actually funny.
You're not actually sentient. Russian trollbot-writing software hacks need to amp-up on their games!
From what I can tell I'm far less of a bot than you. You repost the same things over and over.
If it wasn't so dumb and poorly thought out I'd think you were a machine.
"IT'S THE RUSSIANS!"
Your redbaiting has no power here, fascist.
WHEN are you going to give us an example of a 1-party state that led to long-term peace and prosperity? Since you SOOO clearly advocate for a 1-party "R"-party state?
That's farcical coming from a booster of the Deep State establishment and the Washington Uniparty. What the hell do you think DNC/Media complex is, retard.
Tell me the last time a "D" party POTUS candidate pulled the below kinds of shit?
Der TrumpfenFuhrer ***IS*** responsible for agitating for democracy to be replaced by mobocracy!
https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/24/politics/trump-election-warnings-leaving-office/index.html
A list of the times Trump has said he won’t accept the election results or leave office if he loses
Essential heart and core of the LIE by Trump: “ANY election results not confirming MEEE as Your Emperor, MUST be fraudulent!”
September 13 rally: “The Democrats are trying to rig this election because that’s the only way they’re going to win,” he said.
Trump’s constant re-telling and supporting the Big Lie (any election not electing Trump is “stolen”) set up the environment for this (insurrection riot) to happen. He shares the blame. Boys will be boys? Insurrectionists will be insurrectionists, trumpanzees gone apeshit will be trumpanzees gone apeshit, so let’s forgive and forget? Poor Trump was misunderstood? Does that sound good and right and true?
It really should immediately make us think of Krystallnacht. Hitler and the NAZIs set up for this by constantly blaming Jews for all things bad. Jew-haters will be Jew-haters, so let’s forgive and forget? Poor Hitler was misunderstood? Does that sound good and right and true?
Except he did leave office, so your point is moot.
My point is moot as soon as Der TrumpfenFuhrer STOPS being a Sore Loser, and admits that He lost! Takes BACK His Big Lie!
https://www.salon.com/2021/04/11/trumps-big-lie-and-hitlers-is-this-how-americas-slide-into-totalitarianism-begins/
Trump’s Big Lie and Hitler’s: Is this how America’s slide into totalitarianism begins?
The above is mostly strictly factual, with very little editorializing. When I post it, the FACTS never get refuted… I only get called names. But what do you expect from morally, ethically, spiritually, and intellectually bankrupt Trumpturds?
Totalitarians want to turn GOP into GOD (Grand Old Dicktatorshit).
"My point is moot as soon as Der TrumpfenFuhrer STOPS being a Sore Loser, and admits that He lost! Takes BACK His Big Lie!"
Tell me when your precious Al Gore and Hillary Clinton do the same.
I think the reason you're so hyped up and furious about Trump is that your frightened that he actually won. I think you know deep down that the election was fraudulent. The vote count jump alone demonstrates that. I think that fear and anger is what drives you.
No previous POTUS in the entire USA history was STILL pushing a Big Lie and being a Sore Loser, 1+ year later! Whining, lying bitch!
Hillary Clinton was just last year, you lying fuck:
https://trendingpolitics.com/hillary-clinton-claims-she-won-the-216-election/
Did Hillarypanzees try to kill cops with their own guns, during an insurrection?
https://www.jpost.com/international/kill-him-with-his-own-gun-dc-cop-talks-about-the-riot-655709
‘Kill him with his own gun’ – DC cop talks about Capitol riot
DC Police officer Michael Fanone: I had a choice to make: Use deadly force, which would likely result with the mob ending his life, or trying something else.
“Pro-law-and-order” Trumpturds take the side of trumpanzees going apeshit, making cops beg for their lives! For trying to defend democracy against mobocracy! Can you slime-wads sink ANY lower?!?!
The threat is NOT yet over! Not by ANY means!
https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/02/politics/donald-trump-doj-republicans-insurrection-january-6/index.html
I’ll take things that never happened for $500 Alex.
But please, prove more how you only trust the police when you agree with their narrative.
"Did Hillarypanzees try to kill cops with their own guns, during an insurrection?"
Yes. Yes they did, retard.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/arrests-violence-flares-parts-capital-inauguration-day/story?id=44925970
Massive riots in four cities. 217 cops injured, buildings and cars burned in DC. The Democrats inauguration riots made J6 look like a love-in.
Serious question, how do you not remember all this.
"Protesters, police and counterprotesters tangled as Trump took power."
From the top of Your link, Liar-Queen! Note "counterprotesters "... Half of the damage done was done by Trumpturds!
If you want to see a real lack of talent, check out his website. Unless he couldn’t pay the $19.99/month to keep it up.
Y'all witch-burners are incapable of recognizing WISDOM when you see it!
The intelligent, well-informed, and benevolent members of tribes have ALWAYS been resented by those who are made to look relatively worse (often FAR worse), as compared to the advanced ones. Especially when the advanced ones denigrate tribalism. The advanced ones DARE to openly mock “MY Tribe’s lies leading to violence against your tribe GOOD! Your tribe’s lies leading to violence against MY Tribe BAD! VERY bad!” And then that’s when the Jesus-killers, Mahatma Gandhi-killers, Martin Luther King Jr.-killers, etc., unsheath their long knives!
“Do-gooder derogation” (look it up) is a socio-biologically programmed instinct. SOME of us are ethically advanced enough to overcome it, using benevolence and free will! For details, see http://www.churchofsqrls.com/Do_Gooders_Bad/ and http://www.churchofsqrls.com/Jesus_Validated/ .
In conclusion, troglodytes, thanks for helping me to prove my points!
Decries tribalism while being tribalistic.
What a retarded hypocrite.
Hihn’s website > shit eater’s website.
SNICKERS
For a while back in the day I thought Sqrlsy was another of Hihn's socks.
SNEER
Spastic asshole doesn't reach the level of Hihn, but Hihn at least had the decency to fuck off, unlike spastic asshole.
https://www.berrymcgreevey.com/obituary/michael-hihn
At least someone took Sevo's "fuck-off and die" advice. Now just the ShrikeMikeJeffSqrlscasmic complex to go.
I’d vote for the pedophile first.
Then the shit-eating pedophile apologist squirrel second.
There could be a Mike Hihn Challenge poll.
I was gonna say, he only fucked off because he died.
https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1490350763268358147?t=mfwdKcEw2fl-ocSSKUSGfA&s=19
JUST IN - Six adults in #Berlin insult and beat a 17-year-old girl to hospital for not wearing a mask, WELT reports.
Berlin: 17-year-old was beaten several times by 6 adults, kicked and her hair was pulled out because she was not wearing a mask, according to the police report.
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Democracy works! Tony and Joe should be proud.
And Jeffy’s cool with it because it wasn’t the government doing it.
Next up a trip to the leukemia ward to beat up all the kids who didn't get a Covid vaccination.
Another covid hospitalization.
She shouldn't have gone out dressed like that if she didn't want to get assaulted.
Was her skirt too short?
Should we even have public (i.e. government) funded art museums? Or public funds spent for "support" of art?
And if we do, given our fetish for Democracy!, should we have every acquisition, display, and grant put up for public vote?
I say yes. But it could be that I just received a $2.2M grant from the National Endowment for the Arts to sculpt a water feature depicting two homosexual cowboys. It will be named Brokeback Fountain
Don't give them ideas.
Will follow it up with The Drunk and the Sea Lion
We’ve already seen that one.
Butt... Butt WHERE will the water be cumming out, on "Brokeback Fountain"?
https://www.ebay.com/itm/185168833391?chn=ps&norover=1&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-117182-37290-0&mkcid=2&itemid=185168833391&targetid=1264870804984&device=c&mktype=pla&googleloc=9027638&poi=&campaignid=13917919372&mkgroupid=125280033815&rlsatarget=pla-1264870804984&abcId=9300614&merchantid=419683856
All you imaginary-pedo-fanboy witch-burners go burn down ebay, now! BURN the witches, AND the vote-stealing Demon-Craps!
Oh, hey, burn down Amazon too, witch-burners!
https://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B002ZPJ4VY/reasonmagazinea-20/
Here's a public sculpture more for your, er, taste.
https://4.bp.blogspot.com/_uuOo8x3WXWE/SmORoUWVoII/AAAAAAAAjIg/dimtXpJoXhg/s400/shit_fountain_03.jpg
And a whole art "movement" for you to wallow in.
https://weburbanist.com/2010/12/19/poop-culture-11-examples-of-excellent-excrement-art/
Imagine what his living room looks like. Imagine the health hazard.
Hepatitis treatments have come a long way.
No shit!!!
Cats have been known to have "vowel movements"... https://americasbestpics.com/picture/accidentally-swallowed-some-scrabble-tiles-and-now-i-m-experiencing-EyiJWg0z8
Pictures of cats sitting (shitting?) on Scrabble boxes... Couldn't find them... Above is the best I could do....
Lmao. It’s funny because he admitted he eats poop.
Citation please, lying asshole! Servant of the Father of Lies! (That could be either Trump or the Evil One; either one works ass well ass the other, ass-wipe.)
The Los Angeles Times' art critic, Christopher Knight, called it "vandalism," "an ugly swindle," a "colossal art museum scandal," and a "cringe-inducing carelessness" intended to "trash the art collection." Knight argued that sales from a museum's collection should never be used to fund its operating expenses, as if every museum in the world had unlimited funds and thus the luxury of holding on to everything forever.
He should follow his own advice:
"When it's time to change, you've got to rearrange...."
Sell off some of the junk in the basement so you can afford more pork chops and applesauce for the museum cafeteria.
Better yet, fire the art critic so the LA Times can pay for more cocktail parties. Or their internet accounts.
This may surprise you Peanuts who don't know anything about my political views but I support Joe Rogan (although I have never heard his podcast). No one should be canceled for what they said 10-12 years ago. Spotify should hold tight but it is their call. Maybe it is Spotify I really support but you get it if you've read this far.
There should be no statue of limitations for pedophiles committing crimes against children.
People that don’t like Rogan can just do what everyone does to CNN and not tune in.
turd lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a trafficker in kiddie porn, a TDS-addled asshole and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
Sevo the Pedo, sitting on a park bench, eyeing little boys with bad intent: “How do you like to entice the little tykes? I like to use candy!”
Sharing-that-bench, Chumpy Chump the Toddler-Humper: “Candy is dandy, but liquor is quicker!”
You really really shouldn’t white knight for shrike.
Gonna guess some TDS-addled spastic asshole is stalking me. Fuck off and die, asshole.
"Fuck off and die, asshole.”
You first! Else you're a hypocrite, advocating that others should do, what you will not! "Do as I say, and not as I do"!
Can ANYONE believe that Sevo the Pedo would be a HYPOCRITE?
He's right. Fuck off and die, pedophile apologist.
Says Marxist Mammary-Fuhrer, who stole Buttplug's ID, with which to post the porn, and then blame Buttplug! For all we know, at least!
Hey MammaryBahnFuhrer… How is Your new org coming along? Are You gaining many new converts and perverts to “Expert Christian Theologians for Identity Theft?” And where do we sign up for your newsletter?
In https://reason.com/2021/03/21/why-we-still-shouldnt-censor-misinformation/#comment-8818090 Mamma fesses to her being an identity-thief and sock!
chemjeff radical individualist
March.21.2021 at 4:27 pm
Uh oh, I think you left your sock on.
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1. SQRLSY 0ne
March.21.2021 at 5:06 pm
Yeah, sigh.
Hey MammaryBahnFuhrer, Expert Christian Theologian! Did Jesus appear to You in a vision, and tell You that ID theft is a GREAT, wonderful thing? Or ARE You Jesus, returned to us, maybe? Are You necrophiliac-Jesus, push-people-to-suicide Jesus?
ᛋᛋqrlsy the hypocrite is an identity-thief and sock.
SQRLSY One
December.2.2020 at 7:09 pm
Bimbosday, 43 Bimbobember 2020 at 6:66 PM
Mother's Lament: I lust after being abused by power-mad politicians, because I am power-mad myself! And I suffer under the utterly stupid illusion that power-mad politicians will feed me, like a doggy under the table, a wee few, tiny scraps of their vast powers. Biden came up here to Canoodlestanistanistanistanistan to noodle me and my poodle, and give me nookie, with my Wookie and my bookie, but all that Biden would do, is smell my hair! So I lust after Der TrumpfenFuhrer to come up here and grab my pussy good and hard!
Get ass-fucked with a rust pitchfork, you pathetic excuse for humanity.
Show us how it's done, Sevo the Pedo! Ye who has "muted" me and SUPPOSEDLY doesn't read my pearls of wisdom! Go trample yourself in your own pig-shit, pearly swine! Rhine-stone pig-pedo in a speedo!
Get ass-fucked with a rusty pitchfork, you pathetic excuse for humanity.
Oh Ye Rhinestone-whine-stone pig-pedo in a speedo! What is YOUR favorite year of Rhine-whine-wine, Ye Greatest of ALL Great-Sour-Grapes Oink-oink-oenophile?
Get ass-fucked with a rusty pitchfork, you pathetic excuse for humanity.
Oh Great Christian Theologian... Is Jesus STILL telling You to encourage people to commit suicide?
No, but Zoroaster says you definitely should.
Zoroaster... That's what You call the Evil One, that has taken over Your soul, Oh Queen of internet cesspools?
Lol, am I being put on? Does Sqrls really not know who Zoroaster was?
I knew he was retarded, but wow!
Look, ye slave of the Evil One, if I admit an evil presence into my head (mind, heart, soul), and I commit mass murder in the “Spirit” of what I have allowed into my head, does it really matter if I call it God, Satan, Zeus, Zoroaster, Fluffy, or Fido? Are my victims any more dead or alive, depending on which name that I have given to the Evil One, AKA, Father of Lies?
If the above has never occurred to You (Oh Perfect One), or if it is totally over Your Evil Head… Then You might contemplate that You steal IDs, and encourage people who are more sensible than You are (in their politics and in their ethics) to commit suicide! Death-loving “Perfect One”!!! Neither of which 2 things I would EVER do, in a million years!
You can not STAND the FACT that I am a more decent (ethical, moral) person than You are, can you, Oh Perfect Slave to the Evil One?
I knew that You were Perfectly EVIL, but, wow!
What Peanut, at this point, wouldn't know anything about your views? You express them quite clearly on an almost daily basis:
The MSM is way too tough on Biden.
Any website that mentions the i-word should be dismissed as a wingnut.com disinformation operation.
Wikipedia is the most reliable source (Vanity Fair has risen to #2).
Drumpf is still relevant to American politics and should be mentioned in virtually every thread.
Every Democratic President gets credit for creating the strongest economy in US history, demonstrated by whatever metric is most convenient (GDP growth for Biden, Warren Buffett Net Worth Index for Obama).
Bodies falling from planes in Afghanistan — either no big deal, or a VERY big deal that should be blamed on Drumpf (depends on if you've visited JuanCole.com that morning).
We should be absolutely terrified about the epidemic of far-right violence sweeping the country, and crave regular intel briefings about this menace, like your warning about the SECOND INSURRECTION BY RIGHTWING EXTREMISTS on 9 / 18.
In short, you're a #DefendBidenAtAllCosts #Resistance left-libertarian. Exactly what I aspire to be. (But you've been at it longer.)
I thought his goto was The Atlantic.
Huffpo for light reading.
Not sure Rogan is looking for the pedophile vote.
I can't decide whether Joe Rogan is an idiot or a genius.
I mean, the guy is definitely not telling his listeners the complete truth. Like most media nowadays he is selling a product, and that product in his case seems to be "giving a platform to non-mainstream voices", with the darker implication being that he is giving a voice to those who have been silenced or 'canceled' from mainstream society. So he's selling something like "the truth that the Powers That Be don't want you to know". But this is also a magnet for cranks and fringe whackos. And right-wingers lap it up because let's be honest, modern conservatism has thrown off the intellectualism of the Buckleys and the Kirks in favor of a culture of victimhood where they are the ones being oppressed by the mean establishment. So this type of thinking resonates strongly with them. So Joe Rogan is a pipeline funneling these fringe whacko ideas into the minds of listeners predisposed to accept these things based on the product he is selling. As I said, it is either a master stroke of genius to figure out how to do this, or he's an idiot for enabling all of this.
Lying Jeffy still hasn’t bothered listening to Rogan, but continues to blather on about him to remind everyone he’s an ignorant shill.
He really has gone all in on lysenkoism.
So Joe Rogan is a pipeline funneling these fringe whacko ideas into the minds of listeners predisposed to accept these things based on the product he is selling.
1. You've obviously never listened to Rogan. He argues with his guests all the time.
Save yourself some embarrassment and listen to one of his shows before you start to lie about them.
2. I imagine the "fringe whacko" ideas your referring to are those of Dr. Malone. Malone was a Professor at Harvard, his name is on the patent for the mRNA vaccine and he was Fauci's boss when he worked for the US government. He's one of the worlds leading virologists. He's the opposite of a whacko.
3. That's one of the most snooty, anti-libertarian, fascist things you've ever written here. What a piece of shit you are.
Oh, I've listened to enough of his podcast. He argues with his guests, sure, while giving them a platform.
Dr. Malone is not the only "fringe whacko". Yes he is a fringe whacko on the subject of the vaccine, regardless of how remarkable his credentials are.
And it's no secret that I have contempt for populism. Why do you think populism and libertarianism should go together? The mob can just as easily violate your rights as any government can.
What’s wrong with him giving them a platform? The whole idea of there being a “marketplace of ideas” is that the information gets disseminated and the people decide for themselves.
I know you don’t have a problem with that, do you Jeff?
He’s just asking questions and proposing thought experiments!
Seriously though, what if the platform he provided them had a killer bear on it that killed all his guests? What then?
In my mind at least, the larger one's platform is, the more responsible one should be in how that platform is used. Because the larger one's platform, the more people listen to it, the more people will take those claims seriously, and the more people will potentially suffer as a result of taking those claims seriously.
Do you know why Twitter and Facebook crack down on claims of "COVID misinformation"? It is not because they want to punish or oppress conservatives or anti-vaxxers. It is because they understand this central idea as well - they have enormous platforms, and so they believe they have an obligation to see to it that their platforms are used responsibly. They do not do a very good job of this, but I cannot fault them for taking their responsibilities seriously.
He doesn't have to give a platform to cranks and whackos. He doesn't have to elevate their claims to a higher status than what they would ordinarily merit in the 'marketplace of ideas'. He chooses to do that, often irresponsibly in my view.
If he's going to hand over his microphone to cranks who think the vaccine is poison, or whatnot, he should at least attempt to bring in other points of view who dispute the cranks, so that he is not essentially lying by omission when he only presents the cranks' stories.
Covid misinformation like the vaccinated can't spread covid? You do realize you're defending the platforms being completely wrong right shit weasel? You are advocating for censorship even against the truth.
Youre a fucking statist propagandist.
Your side has literally been wrong every step of the way but you persist.
“Oh, I've listened to enough of his podcast.”
What did you think of the Tulsi Gabbard episode?
“The mob can just as easily violate your rights as any government can.”
Really? Don’t recall you ever taking this position. To my memory, you’ve consistently taken the opposite stance in regards to non-government actors violating our rights.
Or maybe “mob” means “people I disagree with” when lefties like you say it?
"He argues with his guests, sure, while giving them a platform"
Good. If you weren't an enormous fucking fascist you'd think giving a platform to unheard nonviolent voices was a good thing. Scratch that, it's a great thing, a fantastic thing, a wonderful thing.
The fact that you think that this is somehow bad demonstrates you're a force for censorship. You're the antithesis of libertarianism. I'm saving your post for the next time you try and pretend otherwise.
"Oh, I've listened to enough of his podcast. He argues with his guests, sure, while giving them a platform."
Some out-of-context 6 second clip on Rachel Maddow if anything.
Don't try to trick us with shit a baby would see through. It's obvious you haven't watched anything, shillbot.
And it's no secret that I have contempt for populism.
Of course you do. Populism is Vox Populi, the voice of the people. And you've made it crystal clear that you're a 'top-men' authoritarian. You're a parvenu who imagines he's Patrician and despises the proletariat.
And if you'd ever watched Rogan you'd realize that he's not a populist by your definition. He supported Bernie Sanders in the last election FFS.
Dr. Malone is not the only "fringe whacko". Yes he is a fringe whacko on the subject of the vaccine, regardless of how remarkable his credentials are.
I just figured out what makes someone a "fringe whacko" in your book. It's someone who disagrees with the narrative of the Democratic Party and the WEF. That's it.
Malone's also joined in his criticism by almost the entire virology department's of Harvard, Stanford and Oxford Universities in making these claims. These people are the definition of expertise, but your willing to temporarily dispense with your top man worship in order to fulfill your role as a fifty-center.
Lol. Jeff doubles down on his hole digging.
Keep at it jeff.
Random thought for the day, I like how every video in my approved covid video news feed in YouTube shows toddlers getting vaccinated.
It is fucking disturbing. Other countries are saying no to under 12 as they have no risks from covid for the most part.
Other countries have "adults" with more, um, fortitude. And are less likely to sacrifice their children in the name of Party.
Got a "misinformation warning" on Facebook yesterday, for posting about Ivermectin. In a livestock group.
Sounds like they weren’t sheepish about having a cow. What a load of bull.
Utter hogwash.
Utter or udder?
Dammit. Udder. Udder hogwash. Autocorrect is a real horse's ass.
Ducking autocorrect.
Have a cow why don’t they?
Oh, and you notice how the Rogan thing isn't going away? The narrative is collapsing and the monster is cornered.
A good breakdown of the Rogan attacks.
https://mobile.twitter.com/wokal_distance/status/1490220423270699009
That was a good breakdown.
So the whole thing was preplanned collusion with a Democratic SuperPAC from beginning to end.
OF COURSE it's an organized smear job. Dissenting opinions cannot be allowed. Rogan must be crushed.
Who's organizing it?
Read the link you utterly retarded sea lion. It is literally in the fucking link.
Let me guess. It's Soros. Is it Soros?
Wow you really are a retard.
I think you should continue to ignore everyone, then ask stupid questions.
Definitely don't read the link and find out.
What link? I don't read Jesse nonsense.
Maybe stay out of the thread then liar.
Jeff is back to pretending I'm muted and making himself look even dumber when he responds with arguments you can tell he read yesterday lol.
Fuck you're a retard. You demand citations and then declare that you won't read the citation.
Whoever is paying you to shill here needs to get their fifty-cents back.
Jesse is garbage. If he posted some citation it will remain unread by me from now on. I am done trying to do anything productive with him ever again. He is a garbage human being, and I don't say such things lightly.
So you’ll continue to ignore posts but then comment on them?
That makes you the garbage human. So dishonest.
Jesse is garbage"
You're one of the biggest pieces of shit here, so I'm a little shocked that you're suddenly pretending to be fussy.
Admit it, you're frightened of his citation because it shows you to be a liar and a demagogue, and this is your usual, cheap way to try and evade the truth.
and I don't say such things lightly
The hell you don't. You're constantly using slander and calumny every time someone destroys your narrative. Probably because you really are a garbage human yourself.
"If he posted some citation it will remain unread by me from now on."
I'm saving this quote BTW for the next time you demand a citation. The rhetorical equivalent of sticking your fingers and screaming.
Jeff advertises his ignorance since he is so angry that he is constantly proven an idiot in these threads.
I think the guy harps on the SuperPAC aspect a little too much. Superpacs throwing their money around was inevitable. The bigger issue to me is politician adjacent groups going after private citizens.
"My partner, Jane Irish, is a painter"
Can I be the first to admit I don't know what this means any more?
The name Jane Irish does sound racist or nationalist or something.
Islo-centric?
There should be a undisplayed works tax. 2% of everything that hasn't been displayed in 5 years has to be sold off and the proceeds used to pay down government debt
Another random thought for the day. I use my trips to the grocery store as a bellwether for attitudes about covid.
Over the last two years of forced masking I would say that the mask type breakdown was:
50% surgical
50% cloth
(and some tiny fractional percentage of 'other' where the above didn't exactly meet 50%)
Yesterday I noticed it was:
70% surgical
20% N95 (type)
10% cloth
Amazing how that narrative shifted so quietly without anyone really making a head on public acknowledgement.
My newspaper has articles about "how to get your free n95 mask" without admitting that the masks everyone has been wearing for the last two years didn't fucking work.
This is what was described (accurately) as the elites attempting to scramble into this new middle ground where they take on the new correct position without acknowledging they were wrong about anything previously as they desperately scramble to maintain their 'elite' status.
If all your 'random thoughts' are about COVID-19, maybe they're not as random as you think they are.
Most of us have a lot more than two thoughts in a day dumbfuck.
May have something to do with including meat in the diet.
If all your random numbers between 1 and 10 are 6, then these numbers are not as random as you think they are. Similarly, if all your random coin tosses come up heads, etc.
My newspaper has articles about "how to get your free n95 mask" without admitting that the masks everyone has been wearing for the last two years didn't fucking work.
"Didn't fucking work"? Or, "they work, but are less effective than N95 masks"? Yes it's terrible that 'the elites' don't think in binary black/white extremes, isn't it?
From the CDC
The second paragraph is interesting in subtle ways.
Of note:
These specialist devices [ n95 etc]should be reserved for use in healthcare settings or in special subpopulations such as immunocompromised persons in the community, first responders, and those performing other critical community functions, as supplies permit.
Face masks to prevent transmission of COVID-19: A systematic review and meta-analysis
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7748970/
A total of 6 studies were included, involving 4 countries, after a total of 5,178 eligible articles were searched in databases and references. In general, wearing a mask was associated with a significantly reduced risk of COVID-19 infection (OR = 0.38, 95% CI: 0.21-0.69, I2 = 54.1%). For the healthcare workers group, masks were shown to have a reduced risk of infection by nearly 70%. Sensitivity analysis showed that the results were robust.
I like how you link to propaganda that has been undone with two years of actual data sets and the cdc even starting to finay admit it was bullshit. Over 100 years of data showing they don't do anything long term merely slowing the spread at best.
Youre a state propagandist jeff.
Oh look Jesse's here, the guy who doesn't know the difference between an actual scientific study, and a website with just a bunch of numbers.
Hey Jeff is here and doesn't understand how data is gathered. He thinks meta studies are only valid if the government does them. Lol.
You looked like a dumbass in that thread jeff.
*actual data*
"a website with just a bunch of numbers" - t. chemjeff
I hope you didn't get paid for that one, Jeff
I think some of the shitposters work for Reason They post strawmen to keep libertarian commenters present and engaging.
A website with a bunch of numbers is not a scientific study.
A study requires statistical analysis and putting the results into context.
Do you know what a scientific study is? Have you read one?
Oh poor Jeffy. You’re broke as sarc. Such a pity.
Do you know what a scientific study is? Have you read one?
Every day. It's part of my job, shithead.
It's also pretty obvious that you're confusing scientific study with published papers.
That data is the results of observational studies and randomized controlled trials which are both, bum-bah-dee-dah... scientific studies.
The next time you try and pretend to be clever about science, maybe stick to tricking your fellow high school equivalency diplomas and not postgrads.
That's funny, I read scientific studies too as a part of my job. I know the difference between a bunch of numbers, and valid statistics on those numbers. I know the difference between someone making a logical case using valid statistics, and someone bullshitting by throwing a bunch of numbers in the air. Jesse almost always does the latter, and you support him doing it, because tribe is more important than integrity to you.
Lol. You didn't even read the paper kinked tonsee what their methods were you lying shit weasel.
Again. DMED isn't some random database. My God you look like a fucking idiot.
DMED isn't a random website with a bunch of numbers you retarded fuck. If you ever spent 5 seconds to read articles or papers you'd know that. But you done even read your own links.
And cases and deaths continue to rise like a bullet, but "the light is at the end of the tunnel".
Why weren't we seeing the light at the end of the tunnel in April 7th of 2020 when we were on the same upward trajectory, but with FEWER actual deaths and cases? Hmmm... hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm?
THIS upward trend is DOOM! This upward trend is "things are getting better". You know exactly what's going on, even if you refuse to admit it.
No I don't know what you think is going on. Why don't you state so plainly.
Your lockdowns didn't work, your vaccinate-our-way-out-of-covid didn't work. Your remote learning didn't work. Your vaccine passports aren't working. Your social distancing isn't working. None of it worked.
I'd point you to a set of world-class virologists and epidemiologists who have pointed this out, in excruciating scientific detail, but you just continue listening to Fauci and that hack who's the head of the NIH who immediately wanted to produce a "quick and devastating takedown" of these well-respected and highly published researchers because Don Lemon is brought-to-you-by-Pfizer.
To quote one of them, (slightly paraphrased) "Fauci dismisses us as saying we wanted to let COVID 'rip through society' but the result from Fauci and all the major health organizations was to cause it to 'drip through society'". Which is exactly what has happened.
He probably thinks the Johns Hopkins study is invalid as well.
*My* lockdowns? I didn't advocate for any of the government-mandated things. I do advocate for individuals voluntarily taking action to try to stem the tide of the pandemic. Is that what you are complaining about? Voluntary efforts to stop the spread of a disease?
And Diane, let me ask you honestly. After almost 2 years of this pandemic, yes, we know that many of the strategies initially attempted did not work. Does that mean they should never have been tried in the first place, all the way back in March 2020?
I'd point you to a set of world-class virologists and epidemiologists who have pointed this out, in excruciating scientific detail
You are referring to the Great Barrington Declaration? That came out in early October 2020. Where were they back in March and April? Perhaps they, like most of the rest of the world, believed that the initial strategy was a proper one to take at the time, considering the knowledge available at that moment. And besides, there are "world class virologists and epidemiologists" on all sides of the debate on what to do to stop a pandemic. Why is one set more important than another set? Why can't we both just realize that there are no 'white hats' or 'black hats' here, only sincere differences of opinion on what to do when confronted with a pandemic?
only sincere differences of opinion
The fundamental untruth that undergirds liberalism (classical) is that humans are fundamentally good. Stop giving the authority the benefit of doubt.
Well, I'm not an anarchist. I don't believe that *all* authority is unjust. And in this specific case I'm referring to virologists and epidemiologists having wide variety of viewpoints on what to do about a pandemic. They aren't all evil.
There are very few comic book villain caricatures walking around out there. Most people, when they do something, they have a good reason to do it, at least in their own minds, and it's up to us to try to reveal and understand that reason.
Most people, when they do something, they have a good reason to do it, at least in their own minds, and it's up to us to try to reveal and understand that reason.
And this level of delusion of human nature is how atrocities happen.
The road to hell........
So what is your solution?
So what is your solution?
You reject the collective, even if it's voluntary.
Don't mask, don't vaxx (if you want), don't public health, and don't shame those that won't live by fear of disease.
It’s really not up to us to figure out someone’s reasons for violating our rights Collectivist Jeffy.
Get the individualist out of your name sea lion.
chemjeff racist communist
You reject the collective, even if it's voluntary.
What about marriage? What about having a family? What about joining a club? What about socializing with a circle of friends? Those are all acts of voluntary collectivism. In your world, is everyone supposed to be an alienated loner? That is depressing.
Do you interact with society at all?
Libertarianism does not mean social problems vanish.
Libertarianism means that social problems become privatized. That is, social problems become the responsibility of private individuals, rather than a public agency.
So there will still be issues of 'public health' even in Libertopia. There will still be viruses and bacteria and diseases. But the obligation to do something about them falls on individuals, and on individuals acting cooperatively and voluntarily, rather than on the state.
So, what are those obligations and responsibilities, in your view?
You don’t have a moral obligation or responsibility to protect me from nature Jeff.
What if everyone jumped off a bridge into a river of bears voluntarily? Would libertarians really have the authority to discourage people from jumping into a river of bears? Should we start shooting the bears to save the people willingly jumping into their deaths? What if the bears have Covid and their collective roar created a cloud of Covid that infected everyone in the nearby town? What then, huh? What if one bear escaped the river and started doing drugs and got on welfare? Or better yet, stole a car and started driving around shooting people and casting illegal votes? Do we just nuke the river full of bears at that point because of one bad bear?
I’m just asking questions. If you can’t answer them all, that means I’m right.
You don’t have a moral obligation or responsibility to protect me from nature Jeff.
So what happens, in Libertopia, when a person does not or cannot protect him/herself from nature? Just die? Because according to you no one has any obligation to do anything for anyone else with regards to a virus. If there are large numbers of people dying from a virus, doesn't that create a bit of a social problem for the survivors? What then?
I repeat: in Libertopia, social problems do not vanish, they are instead privatized.
And Jeff proves he is not a libertarian as he demands action to prevent natural death.
If a person does not protect themselves from nature, there's not a damn thing you can do about it without becoming an authoritarian nanny. Because does not implies they made a choice, no matter how much you might disagree with it.
If a person cannot protect themselves from nature well, and this part might surprise you Jeff, but just because you're not morally obligated to save someone from nature doesn't mean you can't. As an individual.
"If there are large numbers of people dying from a virus, doesn't that create a bit of a social problem for the survivors? What then?"
That will greatly depend on the virus, who it is actually killing, and the actual death rate. In the context of Covid, the only social problems are being created by the government and the chicken littles that think that dead people are just falling out of the sky and piling up in the streets.
If you’re not advocating for any of that stuff, why do you defend the positions of the people that are?
Because they hate the same people he does. In real life and in these comments. TDS is real, and I’ve yet to see anyone recover from it.
I’m still holding out hope. It’ll be interesting to see if people go even more bonkers if he were to win in 2024.
I'm not defending their position. I'm attacking the idiotic claims made by those attacking their positions.
It goes something like this:
Them: "Government lockdowns are a bad idea!..."
Me: "I agree!"
Them" ...because they don't care about COVID, they just want to create a tyrannical state of oppression and control to further their cartoonishly evil desires of creating a one-world totalitarian super-government where dissent is illegal and everyone must bow to the state!"
Me: "Hold on, now that's just ridiculous..."
Them: "WHY ARE YOU DEFENDING LOCKDOWNS?????"
In modern discourse, it is not enough to simply agree with a position, one must buy into the entire narrative lest one be a traitor to the cause. So, I disagree with lockdowns, but I don't buy into the entire paranoid narrative surrounding most of those who object to lockdowns. Get it now?
I like how jeff pretends 2 years of his posts don't exist. I like how just above this post he demands society save people from natural risks.
Jeff can't remember what he has fucking argued 10 minutes ago.
And how typical. You ignore the vast majority of my comment, the substantive part, and focus on the bratty cliquish highschool-level critique, "how come you aren't on our side? huh?" Why can't you even focus on the substance of what I commented on, for one moment?
Cite on substantive part?
Sophistry isn't substantive.
Israel’s serious COVID-19 cases hit all-time high of 1,229
Israel is on booster #4. This is defined as "effective".
Without that booster it would be 1 million a day hospitalized.
As I keep trying to explain to Jesse (so far in vain), simply citing statistics of some bad event are meaningless unless one has some idea of what the result would have been if different choices had been made.
This is the same type of phenomenon as Bastiat's "seen/unseen" problem. We only see the statistics from the choices that were made. We don't see the statistics from the choices that were avoided.
It could be that there is a selection bias at work here with these statistics. More people are in the hospital now because more vulnerable people were saved earlier from the first or second doses of the vaccine.
It could be that, since the vaccine effectiveness does diminish over time, those in the hospital now are those who didn't receive a booster, but acted as if they were protected.
Or - and maybe this is the explanation you are looking for - the vaccine is a complete sham, a ruse cooked up between Pfizer/Moderna and the government, to transfer large sums of public money to their balance sheets under the guise of 'public health', when they knew the vaccine was crap and didn't work. Is that the explanation you are looking for?
Or, maybe it's a more sinister explanation: that the entire vaccination experience was a deliberate exercise by authoritarian governments everywhere to exert dominance and control over their populations. Is that what you are looking for?
Jeff. Where do you think the data from the studies linked comes from? You literally linked to a study that made statistical analysis on a smaller and less complete subset of data and ignore the larger better kept database.
You were even given a nature analysis saying the same thing yet continue to ignore the data. Why?
And Jeff. If you had actually read the article and the accompanying links they did control for vaccination status you utter retard. 2020 showed no spikes but normal incidents of the various complications spiked in 2021 after the vaccine. DMED contained their vaccination status retard. It was the exact same type of analysis you presented in counter. The problem is DMED is more comprehensive on their dataset as or contains same people over multiple years with yearly checkups and use of the same doctors and database. It has less natural variances as the population is more fixed.
But you're literally a state propagandist moron.
As I keep trying to explain to Jesse (so far in vain), simply citing statistics of some bad event are meaningless
This is the scramble. Citing statistics was all that was necessary in 2020 and 2021. Now it requires nuance, careful contextualization. "No, that vaccinated person didn't DIE of COVID you hack, he was covid-adjacent, don't you understand nuance?"
Arguments are flipping, suddenly comorbidity and age are a factor.
"Vaccinate your healthy toddler or they'll die!"
Pick one, stick with it.
He has proven he didnt even read the story or the documents linked in the tab about how the analysis was completed. Everything he stated on that thread was done from ignorance lol.
Well, how do I put this. There are people out there who have an ideological axe to grind. They don't consider the entirety of the evidence. They don't consider the overall intent of a proposed course of action. All they do is generate doubt and confusion, so as to manipulate people's behavior. Such as the people here, who, through most of 2020, tried to generate doubt about masks by pointing out every little problem that mask-wearing had. They were uncomfortable. They often aren't worn correctly. The homemade masks are often made of material that aren't terribly effective in stopping droplets. My favorite example was the claim that since it was possible to spread COVID by farting, therefore masks are worthless. But these arguments were often not presented in good faith. They did not point out the possible benefits of wearing masks, they did not put the problems of mask-wearing in perspective, and the entire point of most of these arguments were to try to manipulate people to convince them that masks were a bad idea, by exaggerating the dangers while minimizing the benefits (or ignoring them altogether).
And then we saw the same thing happen with vaccines in 2021. We had an entire industry of people trying to create as much doubt as possible about the vaccines. They had microchips. They had terrible side-effects. Look at all the people who died of the vaccine reported on VAERS! They interfered with menstrual cycles and with pregnancies. And of course the dark motives of corrupt dealings between Pfizer and the government. Now, there is *some* element of truth to all of these statements (except the microchip one, lol). There *are* side-effects, people *have* died from the vaccines, the relationship between Pfizer and the government has not inspired a great deal of confidence. But pointing out all of the negative attributes of the vaccines, *TO THE EXCLUSION OF* the positive ones, is lying by omission. Again it is just throwing sand in the air, creating doubt and confusion and chaos, to try to manipulate people to avoid the vaccine. It is simply not honest.
So, suppose you are a public health professional. It's your job to try to keep people safe from the virus. We aren't living in Libertopia, it's not really an option to just tell people "I don't give a shit about your health, get sick from COVID for all I care". You do have to make suggestions to a lot of scared people on what they ought to do to avoid getting sick. BROADLY SPEAKING, wearing a mask is better than not wearing a mask; and, BROADLY SPEAKING, getting a vaccine is better than not getting a vaccine. So how do you deliver that message to people, in an honest way, *without* inadvertently validating the narrative of the dishonest fear-peddlers who don't care if people get sick, who don't care about public health, who only want to manipulate people against wearing masks and against getting vaccinated?
It is a difficult task, and I certainly don't think that the CDC has done a great job of it, but I do understand the difficulty that they have.
There are people out there who have an ideological axe to grind. They don't consider the entirety of the evidence.
That's you!
That's totally you!
Not only do you not consider evidence when it diverges from your bosses narrative, but you smear, lie and try to discredit those who present the evidence or even talk about it.
If I were you I'd eat a bullet out of the shame of it all.
Actually, I try very hard to view all sides of an issue. In the past, I was way more dogmatic and an ideological purist. This led to a great deal of hubris and arrogance in my views. Then as I got older I realized that other perspectives than just my own ought to be considered. One cannot truly understand another person's point of view unless one walks a mile in his/her shoes. I really get that now. Maybe you should try it.
Tulpa?
Not even Jeff can be this disingenuous.
Hey Jeffy, tell us your opinion on Joe Rogan again?
lol
You are so fucking full of shit.
This below shows how "data driven" the anti-vax Trumpturds are:
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/10/centner-academy-vaccine-rules-leila-centner-david-centner
Florida School Run by Idiots Says Vaccinated Students Must Stay Home for 30 Days After Each Shot
This is the same school where a teacher told students not to hug their vaccinated parents for more than five seconds.
See? We are ALL data-driven by now! My data says the OTHER (evil) tribe believes in vaccines, so MY tribe must BAN and SHUN the BAD tribe (and their cooties) as much as possible!
The unvaccinated are now CLEAN and the vaccinated are UNCLEAN! Civic-minded BAD! Afraid of micro-chips in vaccines GOOD! Black is white, and good is evil!
“As I keep trying to explain to Jesse (so far in vain), simply citing statistics of some bad event are meaningless unless one has some idea of what the result would have been if different choices had been made.”
And yet you continue to cite the number of deaths from this one thing, over two full years.
I really don’t call him Lying Jeffy for nothing.
Israel on October 14th, 2021:
Analysis: With boosters, masks and Green Pass, Israel sees a COVID-19 wave in retreat
So much for that.
Jan 5, 2022, NPR:
Israel sets COVID-19 record as rule changes create whiplash
There's nothing left except lock down harder, vaccinate harder, mask harder and ban Joe Rogan.
Didn’t fucking work. You literally made a post lamenting a million dead Americans over two years. You know what the majority of Americans were wearing over that time period?
Not properly fit N95 masks.
Jesus H Science
By this time it seems clear that "living with COVID" means very different things to different people. And for most, COVID-related rules and behavior have now become mostly or entirely just a part of tribal ideology and ritual. Things like masks will never go away for some people, even if they accept that the risk of infection is small and the mask-of-the-month provides little medical benefit. What they are focused on now is the personal identity benefit. As a number of left-leaning sources have been quoted saying, by not wearing a mask in public they do not fear COVID; they fear being mistaken for a conservative. The horror!
https://twitter.com/RaheemKassam/status/1490353381717811200?t=Q-BKVHeQB-C1QwHGYGijVw&s=19
Just want to remind you what they’re working on: [link]
I think the JeffMikeShrikeMtrueman continuum must be beta testers.
Seriously, who else but the left would think it's a good idea to drug people into compliance.
Funny you should ask.
https://www.newsweek.com/tennessee-state-representative-files-proposal-chemically-castrate-sex-offenders-who-victimized-1480371
"Tennessee State Representative Files Proposal to Chemically Castrate Sex Offenders Who Victimized Children Under 13"
Guess what team he's on.
I can totally understand the desire, but the state of our justice system is so fucked up, I could never get behind that.
Unless you were caught red handed (where does that saying come from?). Of course in that case, a bullet to the frontal lobe is more than justified.
Hold on a second.
I want you to restate this. This is important.
Are you seriously saying that chemically castrating convicted pedophiles, is the exact same thing morally as drugging the general so they will be compliant with government orders?
Don't evade answering.
A yes or no is fine.
general population
To own the art works mentioned in the article, you have to buy them. To own a piece of conceptual art, however, you just have to think it. One of my favorite works is I Like America and America Likes Me by Joseph Beuys. Beuys flies to America and is delivered to a gallery where he spends 3 days in a room with a coyote. The coyote steals the show with its frisky antics.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzWjPCri8b4
https://twitter.com/politicalmath/status/1490324830373269505?t=vWMoo25RMrOidzowPzX9qw&s=19
Man, we went super fast from "not teaching a book is a ban" to "disappearing episodes of a podcast is responsible and necessary"
https://twitter.com/_BarringtonII/status/1490411278732603400?t=2ZRQpbzseSGH1lvP6FXuBQ&s=19
“Why are these ni— I mean African Americans not mad at @JoeRogan?! Didn’t they hear us tell them what they she be mad at?! Who do they think they are?”
-The quiet part White Liberals aren’t saying, but feel.
White Liberals hate free-thinking uppity dingers.
Lol, one of the tweets I read in that link says the Memphis BLM founder was sentenced to 6 years for illegally voting.
Child abusers
https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1490411684699115522?t=syKGZ4hWhMC0Imip7XfM_g&s=19
This photo perfectly sums up the left. Disgusting and infuriating.
[Link]
Stacey Abrams is an elite.
That's why she can go maskless while the prole children wear face diapers.
Vaccinate all adults.
*looks at cases and deaths*
Vaccinate children as young as 12!
*looks at cases and deaths*
Vaccinate children as young as 5!
*looks at cases and deaths*
Stick a needle in the womb and vaccinate the fetus!
This thread, lol
https://twitter.com/JuddLegum/status/994950884458160128?t=QEq9FvPkOgstvVa3BFDEhg&s=19
Fox News goes all-in on character assassination of Michael Avenatti [link]
Don't you have to have something to have it assassinated?
https://twitter.com/CarymaRules/status/1490384341829967875?t=Al3DCuFIwbxfUYGdzpSs1A&s=19
#BREAKING As of midnight tonight, police will be cutting off the fuel supply to convoy/occupation supporters. Anyone bringing gas, diesel &/or propane will be charged with “assisting an illegal activity.”
This could be a game changer.
#cdnpoli #antivaxxers #Ottawa [link]
What happens when the supporters decide that they aren't going to allow the police to do that?
Good for Canada. Would that we had the guts that America's Hat is showing.
The best part is the tweet just beneath:
https://twitter.com/CarymaRules/status/1490384347421020163?s=20&t=SaFyCKtYyk6h6qQalQarLA
Dude's GoFundMe was shut down because it was "prohibited activity."
Lefties: YAAAAY! Cut off their funds! Awesome!
Lefties: MY GOFUNDME WAS SHUT DOWN! THIS IS WRONG! I WAS ROBBED!
You know who else took great art out of circulation and hoarded it in vaults?
Hermann Göring?
Ah yes, a colorful fellow. (Although rumor has it he could be a bit of a drag in private.)
The US government at the end of Raiders of the Lost Ark?
Jonathan Hemlock?
That...was delightfully obscure. The last person he invited into his vault, ended up walking off with, a Pissaro I believe. And Gem was such a sweet lady...
Never could get into Shibumi.
Scrooge McDuck?
The Pope?
Sell the excess art to Bezos, or other rich dudes, on condition they exhibit it to the public for a certain proportion of the year. They can put their names on the exhibit all they want, so long as they don't write their names on the art itself.
Another way the museums could raise money is to "authenticate" forged paintings for a fee.
Ha ha, I'm only kidding, they should never do that except to make the Director's salary competitive.
Meanwhile
A huge peaceful demonstration led by Canadian truckers has essentially shut down the capitol city Ottowa. The protesters demand an end to the totalitarian government response to COVID-19. Authorities are using intelligence services to identity not only participants but also anyone who has contributed financially to the cause. Government officials are threatening mass prosecutions. Libertarian website Reason reports... Oh wait. Apparently libertarians don't give a shit. Turns out Reason hasn't reported on the matter at all.
Johns Hopkins releases a comprehensive study showing that totalitarian government responses to COVID-19 had no beneficial effects. Reason magazine's Covid reporter Ron Bailey weighed in saying... Oh wait. Seems Ron is cowering in his basement and can't even Zoom for fear that the dreaded Omicron will take him out.
We did learn that Liz Cheney and Adam Kinzinger are defending democracy so at least we we can keep track of current libertarian priorities.
Wood chipper?
O/T: Huh. Turns out Trump didn't exactly have the best advisors after all.
O/T: And here we go, the curse of gerrymandering again.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-02-06/up-for-grabs-house-seats-vanish-signaling-deeper-congress-rifts
Both teams are doing it, and it has to stop. This is an issue that could be a winner for Libertarians. Only extreme tribal partisans believe in it, which are unreachable for us anyway. There is a broad group of people who don't like it and would favor an alternative, if one were presented to them.
Weird. You only said both sides did it after the left makes major gains in gerrymandering. Benefit is on your side so now you can agree it is bad lol.
Funny how Jeff only both sides when the left does something really awful that he can't handwave away.
O/T: Looks like Electoral Count Act is going to be rewritten.
https://archive.fo/oLKfQ
Mr. King’s group last week released draft legislative text for a rewrite of the Electoral Count Act that would address deficiencies exposed by Mr. Trump’s plan. The bill would clarify that the vice president has no power to reject a state’s electors and ensure that state legislatures cannot appoint electors after Election Day in an effort to overturn their state’s election results.
It would also give states additional time to complete legitimate recounts and litigation; provide limited judicial review to ensure that the electors appointed by a state reflect the popular vote results in the state; enumerate specific and narrow grounds for objections to electors or electoral votes; raise the thresholds for Congress to consider objections; and make it harder to sustain objections without broad support by both chambers of Congress.
Not sure I support the whole thing but I am glad it is getting another look.
O/T: Can you believe it. Yet another politician wanting to use the power of the government to coerce a private business into doing his bidding. What a little fascist!
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ted-cruz-ftc-gofundme-investigation-truckers-canada-freedom-convoy
Yes. Because stealing donations and repurposing them to other causes for nonsense reasons is the height of liberty.
You really are a leftist dumbass. Lol.
A politician wanting an investigation into a company potentially stealing their customers money? The horror!
Of course Lefty Jeffy thinks this is just like politicians telling companies to censor people.
A literal Nazi take, Jeff. And I mean it. That's not hyperbole.
Government collusion and corporatism isn't "muh private business" no matter how hard you pretend it is.
It was in nobody's interest except for the Canadian Government to shut down that fundraiser. Least of all GoFundMe's, who now look completely untrustworthy even to ideological allies.
GFM was getting 7% of that $9M. Do you know of many companies that willingly give up over a half million dollars?
Actually, I know of many companies that have spent large sums of money on very stupid decisions. Such as, all of them, at one point or another.
I also know of many companies that have foregone potential profits due to moral or ethical considerations. Such as, for example, Chick-Fil-A being closed on Sundays in observance of the Sabbath.
What are you implying? That GFM was ordered by the government to shut down the fundraiser? That they couldn't have possibly made the decision on their own based on their own sense of ethics?
The Canadian government was pretty open with their insistence that they shut down the fundraising for the truckers.
They can "insist" on whatever they want. But what did they actually *do*?
It seems as though these claims of "government collusion and corporatism" rely mainly on projection of paranoid motives onto them.
It was on GFMs own statement dumbass.
Don’t bother citing it. He’ll proudly ignore it.
https://simulationcommander.substack.com/p/nova-scotia-responds-to-trucker-convoy
In true tyrannical style, Nova Scotia has responded to the trucker convoy protest by making it ILLEGAL to participate in such a protest OR stand nearby and support such a protest.
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This is why it's being shut down. The governments around the country are declaring the protest illegal.
It is illegal to block the roads. That's right.
Unless you're burning them down under the guise of BLM.
Holu shot you are a partisan fuck.
Yes you fuckimg retard. GFM even said so in their statement when they shit it down. That they had been asked by the government and police to shut it down over violence.
God damn you are an idiot.
The same company openly promoted donations to CHOP which includes fucking murders.
Yes - CNN. Look at who they put on the air.
Government collusion and corporatism isn't "muh private business" no matter how hard you pretend it is.
If you think there was "government collusion and corporatism" here, then prove it. Just asserting it doesn't make it so.
Don't you criticize progressives all the time for acting on emotion rather than based on facts and logic? Well here you are, wanting us to believe a claim of "government collusion and corporatism" based on little more than your paranoid feelings about the government.
Are you for real? If it doesn't appear in your talking-points pdf you're fucked, huh.
The Canadian Government requested GoFundMe shut it down, you fifty-centing fuck. They had the RCMP make the request (In contravention of the Charter of Rights & Freedoms).
It's all over the news everywhere.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-60267840
I love how he feigns ignorance when he doesn’t want to admit a government might actually be doing what any of the regulars are accusing it of.
The Canadian Government requested GoFundMe shut it down
Your link doesn't say that.
Why do you cite a link that doesn't support your claim?
Yes it does. GEMS statement also does.
What the actual hell is your issue?
Oh, look at all the gray boxes presumably rushing to Ted Cruz's defense. See, it's okay when Team Red uses the state to pressure private businesses to do their bidding. But when Team Blue does it, then it's unacceptable fascism.
"Oh, look at all the gray boxes presumably rushing to Ted Cruz's defense."
Lol, so it turns out Laursen was Jeff's sockpuppet all along.
O/T: Well, so sad. US COVID deaths are at 900k, will soon be 1 million.
https://www.news4jax.com/news/local/2022/02/06/us-surpasses-900k-covid-19-deaths/
That is just staggering. Was it inevitable that this disease was going to kill 1 million Americans?
Was opposition to wearing masks and opposition to vaccination really only because the government was mandating them? If there had been no government mask mandates or government vaccination mandates at all, would more people have voluntarily decided to do so? It would be nice if there was an empirical answer to this type of question.
“Was it inevitable that this disease was going to kill 1 million Americans?”
The whole point of flattening the curve is to spread out those deaths that are expected. So I would say, yes it was inevitable.
How many of those deaths are directly attributable to covid vs. with covid is a little more tricky (I think the CDC said it could be as high as 95% of reported deaths were with not of, and other countries have been revising their numbers down as well). Likewise with how many people have been saved by the mRNA.
If there's any justice, you'll be no more than a statistic soon.
Spotify removes even more Rogan podcasts
https://www.newsbreakapp.com/n/0e6j573L?pd=05vSRvT0&lang=en_US&s=i16
https://twitter.com/mysteriouskat/status/1490393599602614276?t=S-6wJfrZXrqoStjWHYeSDQ&s=19
As many have mentioned, I was taken in by satire, courtesy of @GPrime85 who was commenting on the nature of media coverage. It was easy to believe that this is real because it was not unlikely to be a real image given what I've seen so far.
[Cartoons not intended as satire]
They don't want people to have even more comparisons between real art and the stuff that Hunter Biden is using to launder bribes.
Another issue is that collectors often donate their collections to galleries on the condition that they don't sell it. They either accept the indefinite expense as a liability of decline the gift. Absurd on donors behalf IMHO