The EPA Has Spent 15 Years Blocking This Couple From Building a Home. Will the Supreme Court Come to the Rescue?
Michael and Chantell Sackett say they shouldn't have to spend years—and hundreds of thousands of dollars—just getting permission to build on their suburban lot.

After a decade and a half of litigation and federal regulatory changes, the U.S. Supreme Court may soon decide whether Michael and Chantell Sackett can build a home for themselves on a vacant lot they own in a suburban subdivision next to Priest Lake in Northern Idaho.
Their lot has sat untouched since 2007. That was when the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) told the Sacketts that their property contained wetlands regulated by the Clean Water Act. The couple, said the agency, must get a federal permit before continuing with construction or pay daily fines of up to $75,000.
Those demands prompted the Sacketts to sue in 2008. They argue that their landlocked property—which is separated from Priest Lake by a road and a completed row of houses—is not subject to the Clean Water Act. Therefore, they shouldn't need to go through the long, expensive federal permitting process just to build a home.
Last week, the Supreme Court announced that it would take up the Sacketts' case, raising hopes that the justices will secure their rights and the rights of countless other property owners who are currently left guessing whether they too are subject to the Clean Water Act's onerous requirements.
The Sackett's case "gives the court the opportunity not just to issue a clear majority rule but a rule that can be readily applied by laymen," said Damien Schiff, a lawyer with the Pacific Legal Foundation, which is representing the Sacketts.
"It's unusual to have a statute that can require significant expenditure of time and resources and consultants just to figure out if you're even regulated, and also imposes significant penalties if you end up violating it," he says, noting the maximum daily civil penalty the EPA can apply for non-compliance with the Clean Water Act is just under $60,000.
That there is still so much uncertainty around the extent of the Clean Water Act, which Congress passed in 1972, speaks to just how technical cases involving the law can be.
At issue for the Sacketts is whether their property contains "navigable waters" regulated by the law.
That's a vague term. The Sacketts had no reason to assume it applied to them when they first purchased the property in 2004. Their lot was, after all, a landlocked residential-zoned piece of land in a mostly built-out subdivision. Local officials, too, were quick to issue them permits to build a home.
Nevertheless, just a few days after the Sacketts started construction, inspectors with the EPA told the couple that pools of water on their property were, in fact, protected navigable waters and that they would have to obtain a permit from the Army Corps of Engineers if they wanted to move ahead with construction.
Trying to get that federal permit is a daunting prospect. The Sacketts' petition to the Supreme Court notes that the average time to obtain a permit from the Corps is two years and costs some $250,000 in consulting costs. "Even when obtained," reads the suit, "a permit can result in significant changes to the applicant's intended operations and may substantially limit the use of the property."
That's obviously a significant burden for the Sacketts. They say they shouldn't have to shoulder it, given that their soggy-but-landlocked property doesn't have any navigable waters on it. In 2008, they sued the EPA.
So, what exactly is a navigable water?
The Clean Water Act itself defines the terms as "the waters of the United States, including the territorial seas." The term "territorial seas" is further defined in the law, but "the waters of the United States" is not.
That ambiguity has given federal bureaucrats a lot of room for interpretation when crafting regulations implementing the Clean Water Act. The scope of those regulations has grown from covering just waters that were "navigable in fact," like rivers and lakes, to include intrastate streams, ponds, and wetlands whose destruction could impact interstate commerce.
The expanding scope of Clean Water Act regulations has also produced an escalating number of legal challenges from property owners.
Stretching out these disputes is a 2006 Supreme Court ruling on the Clean Water Act in which a majority of justices agreed that some wetlands were indeed outside the scope of EPA regulation. Fatefully, however, the court couldn't muster a majority opinion on which wetlands those might be.
That ruling involved a lawsuit from Michigan developer John Rapanos, who was sued by the EPA over his efforts to build a shopping center on what the agency said were protected wetlands. (Rapanos was also represented by the Pacific Legal Foundation.)
The resulting 2006 decision in Rapanos v United States did establish some limits on what could count as regulated navigable waters. The problem is no one is sure what those limits are.
Then-Justice Antonin Scalia wrote a plurality opinion, joined by three other justices, finding that wetlands were only subject to the Clean Water Act's requirements when they had a "continuous surface connection" to traditional navigable bodies of water. Justice Anthony Kennedy wrote a broader opinion arguing that wetlands were regulated by the Clean Water Act if they had a "significant nexus" to a more traditional navigable body of water.
The result of this mixed decision has been a tangle of contradictory lower court rulings and ever-changing federal regulations all trying to apply that 2006 Rapanos decision. Neither has given property owners any clear guidance on when they have to ask the federal government for permission to use their property.
The Sacketts have argued that Scalia's plurality opinion should be the controlling standard. And because the water on their property lacks a continuous surface connection to another body of water, they say they should be free from EPA clean water regulations.
In an August 2021 opinion, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit rejected their argument. The court instead said that Kennedy's opinion should be the controlling standard. It further ruled that the Sacketts' property—by virtue of being some 30 feet from a small stream that runs into Priest Lake—had a significant nexus to a navigable water. The couple, therefore, have to get that expensive federal permit.
In September 2021, the Sacketts appealed to the Supreme Court to take up their case. Their petition argues that the significant nexus test that's been applied to their property is confusing and nearly impossible for normal property owners to understand. The split opinion in Rapanos only muddies the water more, they say.
Their petition also argues that Congress has failed to clarify its own law, and that that inaction has led to even more confusing attempts by regulatory agencies to clarify the extent of the Clean Water Act.
That includes the 2015 Waters of the United States (WOTUS) rule issued by the Obama administration. That regulation quickly attracted lawsuits from developers and property owners arguing it was much too broad and restrictive. Subsequent federal court decisions blocked the implementation of Obama's WOTUS in 27 states but allowed it to go into effect in another 22 states. (No one could figure out if the rule applied to New Mexico or not.)
In a last-ditch effort to clear up what ditches the Clean Water Act regulated, the Trump administration scrapped the WOTUS rule and issued its own slightly narrower Navigable Waters Protection rule in early 2020. But federal courts blocked that rule too.
The Biden administration is currently in the process of reviving and updating the pre-2015 "waters of the United States" regulations—the same regulations that the Sacketts were accused of violating.
This regulatory seesaw, says Schiff, is just another reason why the Supreme Court needs to weigh in with a clear ruling on the extent of federal clean water act regulations.
The Sacketts themselves are also looking for some closure. The couple has already won one Supreme Court case in 2012 over whether they even had the right to sue the EPA. They hope a second ruling will secure their ability to build their home at last.
"Our property is still vacant, and our rights are still violated," the couple said in a statement. "We hope that the Supreme Court will hear our case and settle the navigable waters question once and for all. It's high time to finish the job we started—to end our personal nightmare and ensure that no other Americans suffer the same predatory government."
Watch Reason's 2012 video on the Sacketts' first Supreme Court challenge.
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If we just feed every member of the EPA into a logchipper, we can fix this problem, reduce the drain on our tax dollars, and fertilize large chunks of land.
You QuackTard Libertarains don't like Scientists do you?
How cute. You think the EPA is about science
This from the party of 47 genders
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Woo, hoo, I have tested the waters! They are navigable! And... first!
WHY are we paying these SCROTUS parasites boat-loads of money, if they cannot or will not issue clear findings?!?!? Muddy, murky bastards are NOT navigable!!! Job security for parasites; properties-and-permissions insecurity for the peons!
I predict that the NEW findings will be something like this: "Navigable water, and stuff and stuff, is stuffy! Except when it is NOT!"
Even when each of the nine justices writes a clear finding, it appears to be a rare case where five, let alone nine, findings have anything in common.
Ah... You will never understand how the world works, because you are incapable of understanding how the world works.
Libertarians are like that.
Butt... butt... butt is stuff and stuff currently stuffy, or NOT stuffy?!?! I am BEYOND dazed and confused! HOW MUCH will the SCROTUS charge us, to supposedly answer this question, this time, for, hopefully, what, maybe the next 5 minutes? Till it changes AGAIN?!?!
Yup. You aren't very bright. Libertarians never are.
But dishonesty. Libertarians excel at that.
I see that you have done NOTHING WHATSOEVER, Oh Bright One, to cast some Light Upon The Topic... is stuff and stuff currently stuffy, or NOT stuffy?!?! That makes you EVERY bit ass useful ass the assholes of SCROTUS! Thanks for nothing, Oh Brilliant Wonder-Star!
Has the EPA made any changes to its headquarters? Pretty sure there should be no construction that close to Chesapeake since that is definitely a wetland, or do they get exemption for, "The Public Good."
I am certain the HQ is a habitat for *some* manner of fowl...
The Thing from the Chesapeake Lagoon.
Fo-ul.
Swamp Creatures on the Public Teat
Based on the amount of chicken sh*t that the EPA has been pumping out for lo these many years, I have to agree.
And you would know because you have a vivid imagination.
At this point, after 50 years of back and forth and contradictory jurisprudence, I see a viable argument the Clean Water as a whole is void for vagueness. The entire purpose of written law is that you should be able to know if you are complying or violating it. No one can give a logical and clear test about what is considered "Waters of the United States". Even if you perform intensive testing, there is no standard that you can meet. However, the fines involved are designed to be large enough to make mega-corporations blink.
Congress needs to pass a rational definition and not leave the most important part of the scope to the arbitrary actions of administrators and judges.
You describe features not bugs, Ben.
navigable waters is clearly defined.
Some asshole at EPA is applying the ' it has cattails therefore its wetland' thing IMO.
Yeah thank you. The term has been used for centuries in common law and has never referred to ponds and streams. If you can't navigate a vessel on it it's not navigable. Period. Another example of progressives changing the meaning of words to fit their agenda.
I have something they can fit somewhere..
My Left Foot.
Eat your horse paste Deveca. Donnie the Traitor says it's good for you.
Chevron needs to simply be ended. Had hopes roberts wasn't completely against the misuse of delegation. But he has been terrible. Kavanaugh has been just as bad so far.
Federalist society judges, FTW!
Yup, Judges Supported and sponsored by Libertarians.
It's not vauge at all. The purpose of the law is to make all land owners criminals
Arthur Kuckland doesn't know where his wife is.
Doesn't know much about anything.
But he be knowed he be a genius, cause He be smarder than all the other 5 year olds in his class.
This is exactly what I was going to say.
If nobody can agree on what it means, it is by definition void for vagueness. That is the entire point of that standard.
There is zero chance that a Roberts court would take such a stand, but it is also unclear how they could feasibly provide relief. The optimal answer is probably to give Congress a deadline for a replacement law and strike it down... Effective X date.
This should be very simple. If commonly-used commercial shipping can travel across it, it is "navigable water". If not, it's the States' job to regulate and protect.
Yes, non-navigable waters feed into navigable waters - just like US waters feed into international waters. That feeding does not automatically create legal jurisdiction. States need to step up and the feds need to butt out.
"The entire purpose of written law is that you should be able to know if you are complying or violating it."
Ah... So you know nothing about law then.
Thanks for the public admission.
Shoreland zoning fights aren’t fun.
No kidding. I almost bought a lovely property hundreds of miles from the border, along the Rio.
To get to it required a bridge (wrong side of the river respective to the road). To get that required the Trans Boundary Waters Commission, and apparantly was the funniest joke the county engineers had ever heard.
Fucking Feds had jurisdiction all the way up there, and they move at a glaciatic pace to do anything but their lunch runs.
We once looked into getting a bridge on our property; A small river cut off about 5 acres of the 20, and we wanted access to it.
Bottom line was that if we could find another bridge over it somewhere in the county, and take it down, they'd let us put one up. Not otherwise.
The damned river was 6" deep in the middle of summer, you'd walk across if the mud weren't so sticky, it was barely more than a glorified drainage ditch. You couldn't even navigate to the nearest lake using a canoe most of the time, there were rapids further down you'd have to portage around.
There was a quota on the number of bridges over it? What if the bridge required no construction in the river? How far did supports have to be built from it? Or was the issue the shadow that'd be cast on it?
Was this a walking bridge or a vehicle bridge? I never get permits. I had a commercial building that I needed to remodel for a tenant. Just partition walls with electric. Figured because it's commercial I should play by the rules. Went to the local authorities and they told me I'd need to submit a drawing. Got out my grid paper and T square and brought him the drawing. He told me he could only accept a drawing from a licensed architect with their stamp on it. Called an architect and he told me he'd look at my proposal for 5 grand, twice what I was going to spend on the whole project. I know a racket when I see one. I decided it was my fucking property and I'll do what I want with it and I'm not going to pay off some grifters to get it done. We brought in the studs and drywall after dark and got the job done. Moved the tenants in, eventually sold it to them, and 20 years later have never heard a word about permits. I built an addition on my house and never asked their permission. They have it on the satellite pics and the assessors office calls it a sun porch. A little more in property taxes but again, 25 years later, not a word about permits. I say build your bridge and fuck these assholes. If you've got enough tree cover they won't see it on the satellite. If they want to come on your property and look for violations make them get a warrant. 20 fucking acres and you can't build a 20 foot bridge? Bullshit.
Gov't has been a great teacher of the philosophy, 'what they don't know cant hurt me.'
You live in a good state. In Connecticut we have karens and SWAT teams that would have you pilloried in the town square. And the Sherrif would take all of your other property because you know, you were up to no good. Its quite the racket, Im sure these legit architects and contractors have built the system similar to the occupational licensing racket.
Dump rocks, much easier to get away with than an obvious structure.
have used dynamite in the past ..... quicker.....harder to catch
The fact that the river existed tells thinking people that all along the river, from that point upstream, the river was recharging the ground aquifer and acting as habitat for plants and animals.
Thank you for publicly admitting to your ignorance.
as you prove that point .... mr knowitall
I see, biology and ecology, hydrology, and basic reasoning skills aren't your strong point.
You aren't even suitable to be employed as a ditch digger.
Sad.
Dunning-Kruger much? You're talking out your ass and you know it. You have absolutely no data on the effect that Brett's bridge would have to the ecosystem of the river.
If the EPA can't sail a boat onto their land, then there are no navigable waters.
Period.
The standard boat size to qualify for navigable waters appears to be one of the bottled ships.
Bottled ships, bottled shit, botched shit, indecipherable messages in bottles... THIS is about what we're getting from the SCROTUS these days!!!
Makes me think of a Sting-along sing-song I heard a few days ago on the radio... The lyrics weren't totally clear to me... "Mustard in my butt-hole", or "Mouse turds in a bottle", or SOMETHING like that!
A million suns at midnight, and a hundred billion bottles (full of mouse-turds), washed up on the shore, are some of my least favorite sights!
That's ok. Americans are experts in bottled shit.
and the shit is piling up more and more with each one of your posts.
There's a little black spot on your nose today,
It's a snot-lot bigger than yesterday...
Also, there's a mouse-turd in your butt-hole!
Mouse-turd in your butt-hole!
Mouse-turd in your butt-hole...
Meant for VendicarD... Misplaced post.
Now where did I place my glasses? My smell phone? My car keys?
The problem isn't the size of the "ships" used to judge navigability, it's that the EPA is now claiming jurisdiction over puddles and ditches because they may be connected _underground_ to navigable water. That is a claim to nearly unlimited jurisdiction, including all ground water, because it all seeps down to a river eventually.
What is the clause in the Constitution allowing federal regulation of inland waters? As far as I can tell, it's the commerce clause - which would give jurisdiction only over waters that can carry cargo or passengers. When the Constitution was written, that would include anywhere you could get by canoe with a limited number and length of portages. Until railroads were built decades later, that's how freight got to anywhere in the interior of Michigan or Wisconsin, and to large parts of the rest of the country - men would load it into a canoe and paddle to the destination, when necessary carrying the canoe and freight a few miles overland. It was expensive, but not as expensive as a long haul with a horse-drawn wagon. But the EPA is now trying to regulate many areas not reachable by even by canoe.
A similar thing applies to radiocommunication use of marine band channels...something I'm licensed in.
It's against Federal Regulations to use marine band freqs while not on such waters unless for emergencies or testing.
That might help define the question. FCC, not the Eco Terrorists at EEPAH.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=x2mwalIv72o
So no shore-to-ship, only ship-to-shore or ship-to-ship?
attmpting to change context is deceptive.
Wont fall for it.
Shore to ship is allowed - it's done all the time.
But shore to shore is not.
Two self absorbed morons trying to lecture a licensed expert.
can you retards read? Im LICENSED. You arent. Six ways from Sunday with FCC.
I didnt ask you morons. Im telling you.
Typical for dumb shit Trolls on line.
You know it alls...
1. Go buy a marine band radio
2. Talk on it in your back yard.
3. Piss off the nearest USCG installation
4. FCC shoves a foot nine yards up your ass with a NAL and a 10,000 fine
I personaly know someone that did it.
Besides a NL, the FCC can also recommend a Federal Judge put your sorry ass in PRISON for a whole to get the message across.
$ 10,000 per occurrence, max.
https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DA-11-232A1.pdf
Why dont you two fucking stupid fact checking morons go find something to do besides look stupid on line?
Imagine that. Regulating a commons so that it isn't abused by those who seek to abuse it.
Astonishing.... NOT!
The EPA protects the environment from destructive shit lickers.
Awwwwwwwwwwwwwww. Your Poor baby.
The EPA is used as a political tool by the democrats. Ref the Obama administration moving money collected in fines to activist NGOs. Another pet bureaucracy to advance the power grabbing agenda of the left.
Is the subdivision by Priest Lake called Priest Homes?
Yeah, Sacrament Row is just around the corner.
A lot of child molesting goes on when Priests are around. Id be careful there!
President Trump ordeted EPA to stop harassing people like this- it was one of the first actions he took. He basically IIRC told them to stop politicizing the Agency.
Either they didnt listen or have resumed harassment.
Heres the problem:
"That ambiguity has given federal bureaucrats a lot of room for interpretation..."
Agencies do not have authority to interpret Law.
Thats up to the COURTS.
Time for Agencies to go.
Biden rescinded the order.
Excellent that Biden rescinded that order.
Too many Republicans and Libertarian Scumbags poisoning the country.
yep .... demfascists gotta stop that liberty & freedom thing .... and they'll wonder why when that CW2 thing hits them in face in the future
Wow, you don't even know what a fasciste is either.
You are dumber than the average Libertarian Scumbag.
But just slightly.
Fascists are authoritarians, regulation by an appointed bureaucracy is authoritarian. So although not all authoritarians are fascists, Jack's usage of the term "demfascists" is quite an accurate description to get the point of authoritarian rule by the left across.
Are we displaying a clear, consistent pattern of Dem overregulation here? And did I actually hear halfhearted acknowledgement that Trump actually did as promised, and tried to eliminate burdensome regulations? Could it be that BadOrangeMan actually was the most Libertarian turd in office in decades?
Just checking, I've been told my lying senses are unreliable.
Part of why the Establishment hate Trump so much ( besides reason telling them to) is that he was a big, rich, connected NYC liberal before being elected then shoving both feet up the asses of the political elitists.
Now, Im going to drive my gas guzzling F250 with the Lets Go Brandon sign in the back window to the Cstore and buy a disposable styrofoam cup of coffee using real money.
Trump is the greatest gift Russian ever was given.
russia russia russia .... good chinajoe mook that you are .... you and nancy/chuck/aoc/etc gonna luv your chinese masters
Your national humiliation at the hands of Trump is noted.
The world is laughing at you.
Oh yeah! Russia loved the sanctions...dip shit.
"using real money" They take gold?
Well good thing reason chose to end mean tweets instead of protecting Americans from puddles being navigable.
https://www.bricker.com/insights-resources/publications/us-epa-and-army-corps-to-repeal-and-replace-navigable-waters-protection-rule
This rule is a favorite of the left and environmentalists. It was openly expanded under Obama and Biden undid attempted regulations to the rule under Trump. But tweets are more important than deregulation.
Recall the original Grievances against the King of England listed as reasons for the Revolutionary War?
One of them was " eating out our Sustenance."
THIS IS THAT
The full passage is more telling:
"He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harrass our people, and eat out their substance."
You need another revolutionary war. Start one now so that the number of people like you are reduced to near zero.
Do it now... Coward.
I bought my home/property years ago. 4 years ago I applied for permits to build a steel shop. The county did a check of my property and told me I have wetlands. In fact, it is a "freshwater pond" that is split by my driveway. There is no pond or standing water of any kind. Not even in spring when the snow melts.
No one can/will tell me who declared this area a "pond" and it was not disclosed when I purchased the property. If I want the wetland designation removed I have to pay a biologist to investigate. I asked where is the original biologist's investigation docs? Crickets.
The location of my imaginary pond causes me no inconvenience, but the arbitrary declaration leaves me puzzled.
It isnt arbitrary. It is always in the government's favor.
I'm not sure how protecting wetlands is in the governments favor.
But I'm sure you can find some lie to tell.
Sounds like more than a few folks are in the same pool.
Leave it to gov't to muddy the waters. You have a lot of reed-ing ahead to fight bureaucracy.
Couple of truckloads of dirt will fix that wetland problem. Throw down some grass seed and then do your permit again.
The permit went thru, it was just an incidental finding.
Yep. The wetlands did not impact my shop build.
A Rancher in E WA told md about some Eco Dipshits who demanded he keep his grazing cattle off a creek bc it was turtle habitat.
Turned out the turtles relied on the cow dung. I dont recall the reason he said.
The Dung is coming from Above.
Its just Federal land grabbing.
Aply for a permit to store radioactive waste there.
See how much grief THAT causes them,
Im sure Hanford can send you a million gallons. They have 100 million.....
This is the same EPA that okayed Cali turning on gas generators the months leading to an election, but denied Texas the ability to do so during a blizzard
"ability to do so during a blizzard"
Just use the Biden Plan.
Declare an emergency, then do whatever you feel like regardless of who doesnt like it, or whether its legal.
Or does that only work for Child Molesters like Groper Joe?
That only happened in your tiny little brain.
Here in the real world the Texas disaster was pure free market.
Regulated utilities are NOT free market, but a monopoly protected and regulated by the government. The regulators set the price the utilities can charge and they set the minimum requirements for quality and reliability - but those minimum requirements become the maximum, because the regulators won't raise the price to cover any more. If freeze-proofing is not required, there is no extra cash to pay for it, so it's not provided.
If I want the wetland designation removed I have to pay a biologist to investigate. I asked where is the original biologist's investigation docs?
Priest Lake
Argue that the EPA is violating their First Amendment rights, respecting an establishment of religion.
Smart money is another ambiguous decision, and then a remand back to the lower courts for another volley.
Why should the courts have to rule? Laws are made by congress, not the courts. If the law they made isnt clear, they should fix it. If they wont fix it, they should be fired.
The law cannot anticipate every occurrece of its application. Laws so written are too vague to be enforceable.
If they are written too tightly with too many restrictions or conditions, then they are ineffective as they are self limiting.
The Courts exist to decide on such things.
Problem is, these Agencies, which are unelected and unaccountable to the People, such as EEPAH, are using this to take de-facto control and ownership of private property.
Thats wholly un-Constitutional. The Agency is un Constitutional, them acting as a Court is also, and so is them undermining the founding principle of Constitutionally established government:
OF BY AND FOR THE PEOPLE
What defines navigable waterway has been nailed down for over 100 years,
Simple. If a boat requires State or CG licensing, then its operating on navagable waterways and is regulatable.
On a pond at home, where no license is required, NOT.
Its so simple a Fifth Grader can understand it.
Too bad EEPAH are staffed with TWO YEAR OLDS.
PS this was the theme of the Simpsons movie.
" did you ever go mad WITHOUT power?
Its BORING"
EPA
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bX89gloP2CQ
Judges are also not elected and not accountable to the people. But yet their decisions have been given force of law.
Laws are not made by congress. They're also made by regulatory agencies, but they call them 'regulations'-- even though violations of those regulations can result in hefty fines and prison time. It's a game, and we let them play it when we invented the regulatory agencies, and we're paying the price.
Hence why Congress should fix the law to prevent agency tyranny. Or court tyranny, who we also dont elect and dont have power to make law. Court precedent is just as bad as bureacracy.
Are the other people in the subdivision being harassed as well? Or are the Sackett's the only ones?
Has SCOTUS ever acknowledged the expense, confusion, suffering or even deaths caused by the poor wording of SCOTUS opinions?
They think theyre God.
See the concept of "the law of the Medes and Persians which cannot be abrogated" for an example of their attitude.
They are not God, why acting like one, I read a article related to this on Wiki Express Last Week, This Is Crazy
You know, my father used to make jokes about a large swath of land that he owned (around 500 acres at one point). It was very flat land.
Whenever it rained he would say things like, "Better sneak out there tonight and spread some dirt around" or "Gonna have to check for puddles tonight to fill and cover up."
Why? Because of the fear of some environmentalist wacko or the EPA seeing a duck in a puddle and claiming that as protected wetlands because wild fowl swim in it. They can only swim right after it rains.
God help us if we saw a cattail growing where puddles happen during rains. That would for sure turn a puddle into a protected wetlands because now we might have a duck in a puddle a few times per year that also has cattails growing around it which would only back-up some wacko or over zealous EPA agent getting several chunks of puddle ground "protected".
If anyone buys land and it looks flat, bring in enough soil to have a slight downhill grade to the other side. Can't chance having water building up and getting land that isn't a wetland called a wetland and protected because the EPA drove by right after a rain storm.
If they've stopped building, why are the fines racking up daily?
Hey, I got a cesspool on my property. EPA want to come decide if it's navigable? I'm sure they'll feel comfortable with the smell....
Talk of “Cluster Fu**s”. It appears that this case is one that would end them all.
That said, if read the article correctly, how is it that houses were built between the disputed property and the water, without problem. Might their construction have preceded the Clean Waters Act? One wonders.
The worst thing about the Sackett case is that the pool on their property was formed when a county owned culvert became plugged during spring run off and flooded a corner of their property. As soon as the county came out and cleaned out the culvert the pool disappeared. There was never a historic pool, since the state road was built and the Priest River Dam was built. Prior to the road and the dam it was on the very edge of the flood plain. And the EPA was using the historic floodplain as justification for calling it a wetland and the flooding from the blocked culvert as evidence that the flood plain was not disconnected by the road or the better flood control after the dam went in.
There has to be some kind of home that causes no or minimal damage. No mansions, ok, but nada?
Bullshit.
There needs to be a reasonability exception where it comes to governance. Completely untenable governmental behavior is disruptive tyranical and causes of disputes.
My version of reasonable is miles apart from Gavin Newsom's.
If this is the case I'm recalling, this is the one where NP fucking R asked the EPA spokesbitch why this case didn't make the EPA look like a Republican caricature?
This is NPRs "just the facts, ma'am" version of neutrality. When the EPA does what the EPA does, it's not because they're doing what they're doing, but they're emboldening Republicans.
Anyhoo, I believe this is the case where the Sackett's literally went to the EPA wetlands mapping website, found there property was not declared a wetlend and the EPA responded that the EPA map was not 'definitive' more of a loose guideline. That they can call anything they want a wetland.
"seeking permission to build on their own lot."? This contains a false premise, i.e., that they have property rights. If they do, no permission is needed. If they don't, rights do not exist. I submit that under the political paradigm no rights exist in fact, only by myth. The myth serves to get/keep public support. consensus. For example, the IRS has maintained in writing and verbally that the income tax is voluntary. The public does not believe it, but are afraid to challenge. Why? They don't want to be punished for exercising the right to property. The same with the public's submission to the Civil Asset Forfeiture Act Most believe it to be "highway robbery" but let govt. get away with stealing their cash, i.e., let govt. violate their property rights, even as they firmly believe they have rights. Their actions speak for themselves. They believe defense is futile, compliance is the only option. Is resistance futile? Are they helpless?
Only if they believe it. There are always options, if one uses ones mind.
You are so right and I fall into the compliance is easier team. Most humans cannot spend an entire life fighting all the injustices. I would rather live life doing other things.
so you've got a good supply of kneepads ....
How can you "live life" freely? By rational non-compliance. It costs nothing to think, to speak out, to resist, on net. Compliance is not conducive to mental health, to self-confidence, to self-respect.
On one hand, government overreach is awful. On the other humans will not stop until they have destroyed everything.
help with your obvious solution .... extermination of humans ... YOU lead the way ... OFF YOURSELF ....
File suit against the seller for failure to disclose.
Or just hit the nail on top of the head and repeal the UN-Constitutional EPA....
I see NO "Environmental" Protection powers in the Constitution.
Get the 2/3rds Majority and State Ratification or just F' the h*ll off.
There is NO protection of rights, on net, in a society that allows an elite (nobility?) to initiation violence, threaten, defraud. For example, taxes are taken by force, not paid by choice. Those who let others run their lives, e.g., make law, self-enslave. Moreover, they believe they can morally endorse my slavery also. The use of law is the use of force, NOT reason, rights, choice.