Supreme Court Blocks Biden Vaccine Mandate: 'This Is No "Everyday Exercise of Federal Power"'
Separately, the court upheld Biden's mandate that health care workers must be vaccinated to work at medical facilities receiving Medicare and Medicaid funding.

The U.S. Supreme Court has blocked the Biden administration's attempt to mandate vaccines or weekly testing for all employees of private businesses with at least 100 employees.
In an order released Thursday afternoon, the court said the secretary of labor lacks the necessary authority to impose such a mandate without congressional authorization. The Occupational Health and Safety Administration (OHSA), which is part of the Department of Labor, was supposed to enforce the mandate, which covered an estimated 84 million American workers.
"This is no 'everyday exercise of federal power,'" wrote Justice Brett Kavanaugh in the order. "Although Congress has indisputably given OSHA the power to regulate occupational dangers, it has not given that agency the power to regulate public health more broadly. Requiring the vaccination of 84 million Americans, selected simply because they work for employers with more than 100 employees, certainly falls in the latter category."
Separately, the court upheld Biden's mandate that health care workers must be vaccinated to work at medical facilities receiving Medicare and Medicaid funding. That narrower order can stand because the Department of Health and Human Services does have the authority to regulate the health and safety of patients in those facilities, the court said.
The broader mandate that covered private businesses has always seemed unlikely to stand up in court. Indeed, Biden had dismissed the idea of a vaccine mandate as recently as December 2020, before changing his mind and issuing the mandate this past September.
Before the case reached the Supreme Court, a three-judge panel at the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 5th Circuit unanimously blocked the mandate, calling it "fatally flawed" and "staggeringly broad." As Reason's Jacob Sullum explained at the time, the court highlighted what it called "grave statutory and constitutional issues" with the mandate, including the fact that OSHA was being called upon to enforce rules well outside of its usual authority.
Kavanaugh noted that same problem in Thursday's order.
"Administrative agencies are creatures of statute. They accordingly possess only the authority that Congress has provided," he wrote. He pointed out that Congress has enacted several laws relating to the COVID-19 pandemic but has "declined to enact any measure similar to what OSHA has promulgated here."
In a dissent, Justices Stephen Breyer, Sonia Sotomayor, and Elena Kagan argued that OSHA was acting within its broadly defined limits. "The administrative agency charged with ensuring health and safety in workplaces did what Congress commanded it to: It took action to address COVID–19's continuing threat in those spaces."
But saying that OSHA has the authority to regulate workplaces is not the same as saying that OSHA has the authority to regulate all aspects of every individual workers' lives—not even during a pandemic. That was a crucial part of the Supreme Court's review of the mandate, much of which centered on the so-called "major questions doctrine." If there is ambiguity in the powers that Congress has delegated to an executive branch agency, Justice Neil Gorsuch pointed out during the argument over the mandate last week, then Congress must clarify any expansion of executive authority beyond what's clearly stated in the law.
Beyond the legal and constitutional questions, Biden's mandate also raised worrying philosophical questions about the limits—or lack thereof—on government power and the ramifications of its use in these circumstances. "Forcing vaccines on a minority contingent of unwilling people is a huge error that risks shredding the social fabric of a country already being pulled apart by political tribalism," Reason's Robby Soave wrote in The New York Times in September. "The president should not—and most likely does not—have the power to unilaterally compel millions of private-sector workers to get vaccinated or risk losing their jobs: Mr. Biden is presiding over a vast expansion of federal authority, one that Democrats will certainly come to regret the next time a Republican takes power."
In the end, the five-month saga of Biden's private-employer vaccine mandate highlighted just about all of the major problems with how the federal government operates these days. Here was a major policy change implemented not by the legitimate legislative authority (Congress) but by the executive branch, which increasingly sees its authority as covering anything that's not been explicitly forbidden. Congress then stood by and waited for the Supreme Court to invalidate the order, effectively forcing nine legal scholars to do its job.
The outcome is the right one—Biden's order was a breathtaking overreach of federal power into the affairs of private individuals and businesses—but this is, to paraphrase Kavanaugh, not how the everyday exercise of government should work.
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“The death of Stalin” part 2?
Thats his fault, he didnt get the vaccine
If the government can mandate non FDA approved drugs, they can mandate every employee must take heroin. The FDA approved version for any available yet.
With the decline of religion, we’ll need a new opiate of the masses.
We already do. OPM - Other People's Money.
We'll send the missionaries when you make the call!
Oxycodone isn't enough?
no. democrats should take them with vodka.
I'll take the heroin given the choice.
https://twitter.com/TPostMillennial/status/1481731805745188864?t=VyK8RYJPkSvqIXdNRu9dAA&s=19
Psaki: Biden will be "calling on, and will continue to call on businesses" to "institute vaccination requirements" [video]
Soft fascism remains.
I liked the radical left better when they were anti-business, anti-corporate, anti-pharma.
I think daddy has already had a few of those.
SCOTUS is the only thing buying this country some time.
Thank god Hillary didn't win in 2016.
She is the next great hope in 2024 I hear....
More people believe in Bigfoot than trust in Hillary...
just wait. The Grifters back in town.
Her Wailing 2022 Freak Shows gonna spin up mid year.
Consider: If Hillary had won in 2016, Republicans would probably have a supermajority in the Senate right now. The court would be 5-4 for democrats and they'd have the white house but congress would be blood red.
So a deranged radical leftist executive could rule by executive fiat with the rubberstamp of the court while a neutered congress makes noise and does nothing? Gee, that sounds awesome. I totally see why I should be a left wing shill like you now.
If you ask the folks who now say that questioning an election outcome is "treasonous", she did win in 2016.
Why would they think they'd ever regret massively expanding the power of the executive? They can't imagine a world in which whoever they voted for wouldn't be the obvious winner; especially the ones on the west coast who have already established their states into one-party regimes for decades.
But I remember a period of a few weeks during which the #1 trending topic on Twitter assured me Biden's vax mandate was perfectly OK.
The Supreme Court must be wrong. This decision doesn't deserve to become a SUPER-PRECEDENT.
#LibertariansForTrustingBigTech
Seems like good decisions. Dump the broad mandate keep the narrower health care worker mandate.
22 million Healthcare workers is not narrow.
And if the health worker had Covid and "natural" immunity they would still be fired if they didn't get vaccinated.
But they can show up to work with an active covid infection in CA.
If they make their living suckling on the public tit they deserve a boot to the head. Just kidding. A bunch of working stiffs get stiffed because their employers take government money for a Ponzi scheme they are inevitably victims/beneficiaries of. I don't even know where to start here.
Another reason aca was so terrible for people who actually support liberty of voice and action.
This was inevitable.
Tell that to healthcare works that lose their jobs and hospitals that, surprisingly, have a worker shortage. (Progressives are too stupid to make the connection.)
This is likely to qualify as a conspiracy theory; you can bet that some healthcare providers will dump medicare/medicaid patients because of this ruling, as well. I actually see this as a good outcome, similar to how people have pulled their kids from public schools with all the non-sense this last 2 years. However, this will be bad for old people trying to get a doctor.
In the Dark Ages, the health-care establishment burned too many witches! Then they fell short of workers! And then, hundreds of years later, DATA-DRIVEN MEDICAL SCIENCE took hold, and medical outcomes took leaps and bounds forwards and upwards!
I for one am hoping that our progress will be faster and shorter, this time around...
For someone who claims to Follow The Science™, you haven't done a good job being scientific...
You resent the hell out of the fact that many other people are flat-out, better, more honest people than you are, right? More “live and let live”, and WAAAY less authoritarian?
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/in-love-and-war/201706/why-some-people-resent-do-gooders
From the conclusion to the above…
These findings suggest that we don’t need to downplay personal triumphs to avoid negative social consequences, as long as we make it clear that we don’t look down on others as a result.
SQRLSY back here now… So, I do NOT want you to feel BAD about YOU being an authoritarian asshole, and me NOT being one! PLEASE feel GOOD about you being an asshole! You do NOT need to push me (or other REAL lovers of personal liberty) down, so that you can feel better about being an asshole! EVERYONE ADORES you for being that asshole that you are, because, well, because you are YOU! FEEL that self-esteem, now!
My wife went back to work on Monday. Receptionist at medical office. 5 days after Covid positive. But she is kind of in isolation at work. 6 feet from everyone - mostly. Because.
People can’t expect to have constitutional rights if they work somewhere that takes federal funds can they?
Where do our "constitutional rights" to keep our jobs come from? From Karl Marx, maybe?
I believe the ninth and tenth amendments override any "federal funds" doctrine.
Totally cool, so long as EMPLOYERS (private and public both) get to decide who gets fired (or doesn't get fired) for what offenses! Der BidenFuhrer was clearly over-reaching. So was Governor Abbott of Texas, who wanted to FORBID employers (like hospitals) from firing un-vaccinated folks. If you not NOT believe in modern medicine, snake-oil barbarians, I would like to (PLEASE!??!) select a hospital that EXCLUDES ye barbarians!!! I'd like for you to CURE diseases, and not SPREAD them!
Actual libertarians don't think a) feds should be spending citizen taxpayers at the levels they do and b) should attach actions to said funds.
Sarcasmic is not a libertarian. He is simply anti conservative.
He’s anti-logic.
Here below is the kind of "logic" that today's conservaturds subscribe to:
https://reason.com/2021/03/23/sidney-powell-says-shes-not-guilty-of-defamation-because-no-reasonable-person-would-have-believed-her-outlandish-election-conspiracy-theory/
Sidney Powell Says She’s Not Guilty of Defamation Because ‘No Reasonable Person’ Would Have Believed Her ‘Outlandish’ Election Conspiracy Theory
Which particular lies are you wanting to hear and believe today, hyper-partisan Wonder Child?
She’s a creature of lawyer land. What would you expect?
VULGAR MADSheMale (and SOOOO many others) are creatures of hypocritical conservaturd land. What would you expect?
Plain and simple: Does VULGAR MADSheMale repudiate The Big Lie of today?
https://www.salon.com/2021/04/11/trumps-big-lie-and-hitlers-is-this-how-americas-slide-into-totalitarianism-begins/
Trump’s Big Lie and Hitler’s: Is this how America’s slide into totalitarianism begins?
The above is mostly strictly factual, with very little editorializing. When I post it, the FACTS never get refuted… I only get called names. But what do you expect from morally, ethically, spiritually, and intellectually bankrupt Trumpturds?
Totalitarians want to turn GOP into GOD (Grand Old Dicktatorshit).
Your dementia is getting worse.
I recommend 45 ACP.
VULGAR MADSheMale endorses The Big Lie of today! Got it!
She was riding high with the Flynn case, then followed her emotions down a rabbit hole; now approaching morale bankruptcy.
Is there ANYTHING that "conservative" JesseBahnFuhrer thinks that should be "conserved", other than POWER for MEEEE and My Tribe?
Hey JesseBahnFuhrer! Should democracy itself be conserved? Or only the appearance of democracy, if it is convenient to YOU and YOUR tribe?
I say again, “Under Der TrumpfenFuher, the “R” party will NOT rest until it is the ONLY party!”
Why is this?
If you need proof of what I say, read https://reason.com/2020/12/20/desperate-to-stop-biden-from-taking-office-trump-suggests-military-intervention-voting-machine-seizures-and-appointing-sidney-powell-to-investigate-her-own-fraud-claims/ Desperate To Stop Biden From Taking Office, Trump Suggests Military Intervention, Voting Machine Seizures, and Appointing Sidney Powell To Investigate Her Own Fraud Claims
Trump flunkies want to use martial law to hold new elections in swing states that didn’t vote Trump. Use the military to force a do-over where the people didn’t vote for Trump like they were supposed to. Give them a second bite at the apple.
And there will be endless do-overs till these wayward slobs do things the RIGHT way, and vote for Der TrumpfenFuhrer!
Those states who voted for Der TrumpfenFuhrer? Texas, for instance? And now that time has gone by, and millions of Texans have seen yet MORE of the “true stripes” of the Trumptatorshit… And they voted for Trump, but are SOOOO disgusted by now, they want to vote differently by now… Do THEY get a do-over?
Let’s selectively re-play this game till the Trumptatorshit lasts forever!
The ONLY way that states that DID vote for the continuation of the Trumptatorshit, will get a re-vote, to make it all “fair” to people who’ve changed their minds, by now, or who were excluded from voting by “R” machinations or being too busy or sick that day, to vote… The ONLY way that voters in THESE states will get a “second bite at the apple”, is to make up utterly fantastical LIES about the “R” party’s cheating, collusion with Lizard Men, etc.!
If the Lizard Men stole it last time, what will keep them from stealing it the next time around?
What we are CLEARLY evolving towards here, is NOT election wins by the most votes or even electoral college votes, it is “WINNING” by “He who whines and cries and makes up lies, the most”!
WHY, oh WHY might it be, that people who don’t like the history of 1-party states, are afraid to vote “R” any more?
It’s sad that you don’t have any friends. Leave the house sometime.
WHY, oh WHY might it be, that people who don’t like the history of 1-party states, are afraid to vote “R” any more?
So VULGAR MADSheMale ... You care to name me ONE historical case... Or hysterical case in your case I suppose... Of a 1-party dictatorshit that provided long-term peace, prosperity, and stability?
There are plenty of proven anti- psychotic
drugs for people like you. Seek help.
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This drugs don't let him drink as much.
Worse. Thats what Fed the Hoapitals and Docs in the A..
When they agreed to take Mediscam, they ALSO had to take ILLEGALS that cant pay.
Was told that by an ER doc.
Fuck Joe Biden
SCOTUS agrees
He who pays the piper calls the tune. Federal highway money explains why the minimum drinking age is the same in every state, and was used to justify the uniform 55 mph limit.
speaking of... the fraud of the 55 mph was well known in Ohio bc of the doctored experiments at TRC in 1970s in Marysville.
When the transportation efficiency and safety experiments didnt go as desired, they rigged them
Agreed.
The OSHA mandate was terrible overreach, but allowing medical workers to go unvaccinated is whacko.
Whoa, what's this, a humanoid with an "UN-common sense" of balance?!?! Stranger, there's no room for YOUR type in these that them thar echo-chamber town of ours!!! This forum ain't big enuff for the two of us!!!
Thank you.
How is your wife doing? (If you want to discuss it here.)
Thanks for asking! Admission to the hospital postponed by 1 month, to late-ish February... We'd just as soon get it done and over with! Oh well!
Your wife left you and took your kids with her, sarcasmic. Remember, you drunk-posted about it here for months. If you're going to lie, try lying about things you haven't spent years bitching about like a pathetic bitch. If it makes you feel better though, I do hope that your utterly imaginary 2nd wife does of imaginary COVID in the imaginary hospital and that you join her right soon.
What an asshole.
Yes, you leftists certainly are.
You should steal my handle again and tell him that. While also lecturing Tulpa about stealing handles.
For calling out the lies? Sorry not everyone plays make believe woth socks on some belief they will look compassionate so people ignore their leftist authoritarianism.
I came here to see a variation of this comment, and was not disappointed.
How many boosters have you had?
What is wrong with getting a booster?
That’s not what he said Dee. Stop squawking and answer the question.
You really expect an honest answer?
You want ANSWERS, VULGAR MADSheMale? Can YOU start?
Plain and simple: Does VULGAR MADSheMale repudiate The Big Lie of today?
https://www.salon.com/2021/04/11/trumps-big-lie-and-hitlers-is-this-how-americas-slide-into-totalitarianism-begins/
Trump’s Big Lie and Hitler’s: Is this how America’s slide into totalitarianism begins?
No.
ANYTHING other than "R Mac is The Perfect One" will NOT be an acceptable answer!
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/05/republicans-stand-for-nothing-january-6-commission/619036/
The GOP Now Stands for Nothing
A party that doesn’t believe in anything ends up believing only in its right to rule.
https://www.salon.com/2021/06/09/no-trumps-not-delusional--its-actually-much-worse-than-that/
No, Trump's not delusional — it's actually much worse than that
Trump's Big Lie about the election and fantasies of "reinstatement" aren't delusional. They're devious strategies
are you referring to the FDA approved shot? doesn't exist.
how can anything experimental be mandated? lookup the Nuremberg code. it's essentially part of the US constitution.
Every 10 weeks experiment at this point.
What is wrong with not getting one? Seeing as the pharmacy execs are already declaring multiple more boosters this year and fir every variant....
Live in fear like most irrational people.
Living in fear of the vaccinated is rational, then, perhaps?
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/10/centner-academy-vaccine-rules-leila-centner-david-centner
Florida School Run by Idiots Says Vaccinated Students Must Stay Home for 30 Days After Each Shot
This is the same school where a teacher told students not to hug their vaccinated parents for more than five seconds.
See? We are ALL data-driven by now! My data says the OTHER (evil) tribe believes in vaccines, so MY tribe must BAN and SHUN the BAD tribe (and their cooties) as much as possible!
The unvaccinated are now CLEAN and the vaccinated are UNCLEAN! Civic-minded BAD! Afraid of micro-chips in vaccines GOOD! Black is white, and good is evil!
No one lives in fear of vaccinated people, but some are afraid of adverse reactions from having to be jabbed 2,3 times annually for the next 10 years, and perhaps for the rest of their lives.
You people are like whoever was running the Vietnam war - you think people are going to tolerate getting vaxxed that much every year? Or just periodically shutdown the economy and schools every time there's a spike? Starting as soon as this year, vaccination rate may start to decline. Even Biden is starting to perceive the quagmire. And unlike wars overseas, this hits home harder.
you think people are going to tolerate getting vaxxed that much every year?
You mean, like an annual flu shot?
This is multiple times a year fuckwad. And even then the flue shot usage rates are about 30 to 40% in the population.
like an annual flu shot?
Which most people who are not at risk don't bother to get.
Not true.
https://usafacts.org/articles/how-many-americans-get-flu-shots-vaccine-cdc/
During the 2019-2020 flu season, 51.8% of people ages six months and older got a flu vaccine, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).
Which most people who are not at risk don't bother to get.
Reading for comprehension is important.
Well I have no idea if that statement is true or not. Do you have any evidence for that claim?
……and Jeff is showcasing his moronic vexatiousness.
Lol. Jeff chose one year when the average application us around 30% of the population. Never change you lying shit weasel.
The flu shot which people are free to decline? That flu shot?
Yes. It is not so terribly unusual to get annual vaccines.
Booster shots are not annual at this point shit weasel. Now that you've shown you didnt mute me why did you ignore the other posts stating this?
You also missed the free to decline part jeff. Weird.
The mRNA vaccine actually keeps the spike protein in your system for long periods of time past its period of supposed efficacy. It is the bodies reaction to this protein that is the majority of the harm caused by covid. So they are asking for constant and elongated exposure to said protein with the boosters.
Meanwhile recent studies show natural immunity and even other cold infections provide comparable immunity without exposure to the spike protein constantly being refreshed with protein spikes that are the harmful part of covid.
Thank YOU Dr. JesseBahnFuhrer!
Could You PLEASE also explain to us, how to cure cancer, for once and for all?
Not being as biologically illiterate as you does not make one a cancer expert, sarcasmic.
Being a high-school dorp-out, who is CONSTANTLY dorping out, doesn't make JesseBahnFuhrer a doctor, or a cancer expert, or a virus or vaccine expert, either! He is an expert at dorping out, and NOTHING else!
"You people are like whoever was running the Vietnam war"
DEMOCRATS
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/in-depth/herd-immunity-and-coronavirus/art-20486808
Herd immunity and COVID-19 (coronavirus): What you need to know
From there...
Herd immunity also can be reached when enough people have been vaccinated against a disease and have developed protective antibodies against future infection. Unlike the natural infection method, vaccines create immunity without causing illness or resulting complications. Using the concept of herd immunity, vaccines have successfully controlled contagious diseases such as smallpox, polio, diphtheria, rubella and many others.
SQRLSassy back now... But because JesseBahnFuhrer (expert on EVERYTHING) is smarter than the Mayo Clinic about this... And-or, is a pussy-shit about needles, and-or is an anti-vaccine idiot ideologue... We should all just GIVE UP on vaccines!
No one reads you.
Squirrels not run over by delivery trucks are best muted.
I have it muted.
mike mainlines
Dee wants a suppository version. So she can take it five times anally. I mean annually. No. Anally.
Both. And daily.
I mean it is crazy right? So crazy California is having covid positive nurses work.
I don't think this is common, and staffing shortages are really stating hit hospitals here, especially the bay area.
A hospital is not a Mcdonalds, they can't just replace workers with automation and high school graduates. I have no idea why hospitals are eager to kick out licensed, qualified, and experienced personnel for not being vaccinated and or having mild covid symptoms. If the patients are vaccinated, why shouldn't they be allowed to treat them? You're telling me hospitals always sent nurses and doctor home at the first sign of flu symptom in the past?
" I have no idea why hospitals are eager to kick out licensed, qualified, and experienced personnel for not being vaccinated and or having mild covid symptoms."
Bc they ARE REPLACING THEM WITH HS GRADS...NEARLY.
Poorly trained medical techs, replacing MDs with nurses
Get a clue.
The hilarious thing about this bit of trolling from Mike Laursen is just how off base he is.
Maybe 6 months ago when people legitimately believed that the vaccine would prevent health care workers from contracting the virus and spreading it, one could get away with declaring it "whacko" to "allow" medical workers to go unvaccinated. You'd be a self assured buffoon to do so, but you could get away with it without looking like one.
We know now that while vaccination status might protect an individual from winding up in the hospital, it doesn't stop the spread of the virus. And what is so funny is that it was wrong when they thought it was whacko 6 months ago. The only thing that changed is that there is plenty of evidence (that Mike ignores like a whacko) that he is wrong.
Indeed, if there is any good to come about from this virus, it is that the preening, sanctimonious asshats who declared themselves themselves the arbiters of settled science have been shown to be nothing more than bloviating clowns. The only thing more constant than their revisions of "what is known" has been their misplaced certainty of what is and is not "whacko."
Those shrill scolds with a modicum of self awareness have started peeling back even their enthusiasm for vaccines. It says a lot that Mike isn't even to that stage yet.
Why do you guys even respond to him? He's a shitposter who constantly baits.
Because he echoes common sentiments. Maybe someone will read the responses and learn something.
youre delusional.
Mikes brain is as much Pudding as Bidens lunch.
I said "someone", meaning someone other than Mike.
Some people do occasionally learn things and change their minds.
oh, yes.
There have been many on- line conversions since 2009.
Refreshing.
Unfortunately there arent nearly as many comment pages now as 2009- 15 or so.
The Demotards tried to commandeer them and got absolutely slaughtered.
"Some people do occasionally learn things and change their minds."
Thanks, Zeb, and I do believe that this is a POSITIVE hope that you and I both share!
In that spirit, I post some web pages that detail (and justify) a few positive thoughts... If you can ignore the sad negatives... The POSITIVE side of that is, if we are AWARE of the negatives, we are more empowered to negate or bypass them!
http://www.churchofsqrls.com/Jesus_Validated/ and http://www.churchofsqrls.com/Do_Gooders_Bad/
No one reads you.
VULGAR MADSheMale...
Nanny-nanny-booooo-booo!!! YOU are SOOOOO icky-pooo!!! Poopy-head!
There! Now I have "refuted" you in words that even YOU might someday understand!
Mikes brain is as much Pudding as Bidens lunch.
How can you have any pudding if you don't eat your meat?
If you don’t eat your meat, you can’t have any pudding.
You! Yes, you, behind the bike sheds, stand still, laddy!
OH YEAH !
I have a Pink Floyd T on right now.
That's a good idea. Thanks for answer!
I assume you are taking about me.
Idaho Bob talks shit to me, I ask the perfectly sane, polite question, “Whatis wrong with getting a booster?” And that is shit posting on my part?
Yes. Because that's not the question you were asked.
“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.”
I’m more concerned with the triumph of dumbshittery these days.
Team Blue is losing quite badly, actually.
But I suppose that emphasises the point.
The sad thing is you don’t realize you’re the dumb shit.
A display of lysenkoism in real time.
Mike how about letting them work while sick but vaccinated is that ok?
Quarantining people who are actually sick was the only power the government was ever intended to have. Today's victory is pretty hollow considering everything that SCOTUS already conceded on the lockdowns, including the religious freedom to pray with others during a time of crisis.
White Mike and his lefty boos get off on having no personal responsibility for their own health.
No, it’s not OK. When I read about that I thought it was bonkers.
https://www.nih.gov/news-events/nih-research-matters/lasting-immunity-found-after-recovery-covid-19
8 months at least, Liarson. Kinda ridiculous to fire the folks who have been working without the jab, especially when the jab doesn't stop transmission.
Allowing leftists to live is whacko.
Amazing how you didn't think it was an overreach until...well, now.
Can't work without the vax but can work with active covid. Science!
Why or how is it wacko for a person not to want to take a experimental drug that doesn't come close to "performing" a vaccines job? Why is a vaccine even needed for a virus with a 99.97% recovery rate? And finally...., how is it u've become such a scared little moron? A moron who chooses to wear his balls around his neck.
The Phucko Knows
The health care mandate may be legal (I'd still question it's constitutionality). But it's still stupid when there is a worker shortage and a lot of the people refusing vaccines already had covid. And because the vaccines don't work to stop transmissions and infections which is the only reason such a mandate would make sense and not just be about forced compliance.
The CMS mandate falls under the same type of doctrination struck down under ACA where behaviors were attached to funds.
I do find that justification for federal mandates pretty awful.
The Constitution forbids Mandates.
But ironically gay marriage is legal.
Cool, is that how interpreting the law works? I've got lots of good reasonable ideas too!
Actually, you don't. You seem incapable of recognizing when the Constitution is very plain in its wording.
Roberts again was weak willed in his "diplomacy." Ad stated in the dissent, CMS never proved they were given authority past administrative acts.
To obtain a stay, the Government must show that there is (1) a reasonable probability that we would grant certiorari; (2) a fair prospect that we would reverse the judgments below; and (3) a likelihood that irreparable harm will result from denying a stay. Hollingsworth v. Perry, 558 U. S. 183, 190 (2010) (per curiam). Because there is no real dispute that this case merits our review, our decision turns primarily on whether the Government can make a “strong showing” that it is likely to succeed on the merits. Nken v. Holder, 556 U. S. 418, 426 (2009). In my view, the Government has not made such a showing here.
The Government begins by invoking two statutory provisions that generally grant CMS authority to promulgate rules to implement Medicare and Medicaid. The first authorizes CMS to “publish such rules and regulations . . . as may be necessary to the efficient administration of the [agency’s] functions.” 42 U. S. C. §1302(a). The second authorizes CMS to “prescribe such regulations as may be necessary to carry out the administration of the insurance programs” under the Medicare Act. §1395hh(a)(1).
The Government has not established that either provision empowers it to impose a vaccine mandate
Normally I would say a small victory. But this is in actuality a small loss.
I have to agree. It only seems like a victory because of how dark these days are.
Fuck Joe Biden!
Fuck Joe Biden
Yeah, fuck joe biden
...and his Pet Monkey Fauci
Yeah Fauci needs to be added to the official Fuck You list.
FauXi and Brandon can go get fucked right off a cliff.
Hey man its okay to not like your boss. It'll get better one day or not, probably not.
*sad trombone*
https://www.google.com/finance/quote/MRNA:NASDAQ
"In a dissent, Justices Stephen Breyer, Sonia Sotomayor, and Elena Kagan argued that OSHA was acting within its broadly defined limits."
So, what do you think would have happened if Hillary Clinton had appointed the last three Supreme Court justices?
We would be talking about the crappy wi-fi at our covid mitigation camps.
Like you would be given access to the internet.
But imagine how spicy the intranet would be!
They've done multiple focus groups on banning online porn. It's the new third rail of politics. Not going to happen.
Newsom would have been coronated as King of CA, and SCOTUS would be just fine with that.
C'mon Ken-doll, now you're just asking for the shitposters to vomit all over your post.
They’ll do it anyway.
Dunno. Just like Trump-appointed Justices haven’t always voted the way Trump or conservatives wanted, it’s possible Hillary-appointed Justices wouldn’t always vote the way Hillary, or progressives, want.
Haha, when was the last time that happened?
I’m sure that douchecanoe Garland would totes have ruled correctly in this case. No way would he have joined the dissent in their abject idiocy.
Do you believe these lies when you tell them?
They are good intentioned statists.
So, Democrats or perhaps even progressives?
I believe it demonstrable that the Democrat appointed justices vote in lockstep more often than not.
As usual... U r one lost puppy. The truth is right in front of u. U see it..., but chose to ignore it so as to keep residing in your safety spot located in your little
pee like brain. As u HAVE to belive there is TWO wings of government. The problem is u refuse to SEE the SINGLE bird that the wings r attached to. Maybe if u started to look at life like an adult.., and not a spoiled child.., u would notice how the powers to be get to play u like a fool.
The Phucko Knows
We'd have less Herman Cain stories to enjoy?
*Fewer.
Pardon me I was educated in the South.
What does Herman Cain have to do with any of that? You can't seem to think properly, can you? Even people in the South can do that!
We can hope!
Now tell Newsom he hasn't the authority to take over most of the CA economy.
Thank you.
All of this should be illegal, regardless.
The Constitution failed.
Well, when we go single payer, everyone's behavior will be subject to government regulation.
Karen cracked open a new bag in box just thinking about this.
Heres whats wrong with that:
"regulate the health and safety of patients in those"
NOT the issue. Red Herring.
If the MORONS would take the virulent patients OUT if hospital and isolate them, thered be much less or no problem.
Ooh ! I know! Send the sick people to nursing homes!
Mario, is that you?
where's the liability for damages?
coming.
Its started in Australia. 60,000.
Something has to settle out and become apparent and evidenced before the biggest Class Action suits ever are launched.
Yup, the feds simultaneously do and do not have the authority to issue these mandates. Welcome to clown world.
"All of this should be illegal, regardless.
The Constitution failed."
Indeed.
Further, upholding that bullshit is another strike against any state intervention into healthcare (or any sector).
What about arbitrary and capricious? i.e. the magic number 100.
its an arbitrary enforcement threshhold ....a made up number below which they cant afford to act.
Flip side..I once talked with an OSHA Investigator in Cincy, asked him " does someone have to DIE before you people get involved?"
" Yes"
This is purely about Biden being a Dick- tator.
The Biden administration likely suffered its worst day (so far) today because SCOTUS striking down Biden's OSHA covid vaccine mandate, while Sinema and Manchin rejected Biden's bullying to end the Senate filibuster to nationalize elections in America.
Libertarians and other freedom loving Americans are enjoying today's Schadenfreude.
Many people (Who were referred to as "heroes" at one point.) are still going to be forced to choose between their jobs and inoculations. Can't quite celebrate.
Yeah, that fucking sucks. But I am happy that I probably won't have to choose between my job and forced injections.
Very true! I just hope people won't overlook the fact so many aren't going to have the choice because of the incoherence of "checks and balances."
DoD military and contractors still under the thumb too.
One has to wonder about someone who claims to be a health care worker but has a problem with being vaccinated.
They don’t have a problem with being vaccinated. They have a problem with THIS vaccine. Because it doesn’t do much more than hopefully reduce the severity of the symptoms.
How so? Especially if they have had it already.
The vaccines seem pretty safe. But not terribly effective at this point. And there are dangers and serious side effects for some. So the calculus changes on the risk/benefit. If the vaccine only gives you 30% protection from a virus that is now pretty much a cold for most people, why even take the risk that you might get sick for a few days (which is quite common with the vaccines)? Especially if you have already been infected?
aside from the fact that this experimental injection doesn't provide immunity, check out some of the brutal side effects.
https://www.howbadismybatch.com/
Yawn.
Clever retort.
If he opens his mouth wider the sand will choke him.
"The vaccines seem pretty safe. "
Tell that to the 50 THOUSAND people plus its killed.
You cant. Theyre dead.
Even if accurate... If you gave 3 billion people a glass of water, you could find 50,000 unexplained deaths in the immediate aftermath. Easily.
And this is done to prevent a flu.
or IS...
Too odd...no flu the past 1-2 years.
TOO odd
50k is US numbers, not global.
Mike would your opinion only apply to this? Would there by any type of vaccination they shouldn't get and if so why and what bounds?
Any vaccination their employer requires of them is quite likely safe and for a good purpose. At least if it’s a healthcare employer in the US or any other first-world country.
most dangerous "vaccine" in history
50,000+ Killed by it.
Thats " effective".
Somehow.
That’s ridiculous. The most dangerous vaccines in history would have been when medical science was just starting to figure out how inoculation and vaccination work.
The COVID-19 are proven very safe by a track record of millions of vaccinations around the world.
Getting Covid is quite safe given the millions that have recovered.
Once you exclude and ignore all sode effects, sure.
The most dangerous vaccines in history would have been when medical science was just starting to figure out how inoculation and vaccination work.
You are an ignoramus and you prove it daily. Those were for highly deadly diseases, which COVID is decidedly not. Historically deadly diseases were ones that took 10-50% of a given population. On the high end, COVID is at .2%. Where basic sanitation breaks down even cholera holds an order of magnitude greater risk than COVID.
And they have been inoculating using live virus since the 17th century. 150 years before germ theory.
Those were not anywhere near as deadly because we did science rather than The Science back in those days and we pulled those products off the market after they'd killed dozens to hundreds of people. Even in those primitive days of 2009 we pulled the H1N1 vaccine based on a tiny fraction of adverse reactions that were no where near the severity of the COVID jab. The COVID vaccine has killed tens of thousands in the US and Europe based on adverse reaction reports, which typically vastly understate the actual number of adverse reactions.
That just unequivocally is false.
The concept of a vaccine is perfectly fine, and in practice they have been very safe because we have very strict enforcement on the safety side of the safety and efficacy requirements. Perhaps overly so.
But there have been hideously dangerous vaccines created. Vaccines that accidentally created autoimmune reactions with deadly consequences. So much so that the concept has even been appropriated for bioweapons that cause horrific effects like Multiple Sclerosis. (think how debilitating that would be to a fighting force... A bio weapon that causes paralysis in a major fraction of the enemy forces.... That is better than killing them. They require constant care and it spreads panic throughout the ranks. )
More dead and injured than by all (real) vaccines since '90 combined.
https://vaersanalysis.info
Drown in your carried water, Liarson.
The most dangerous vaccine in history that was actually used aside from experiments must have been the smallpox "variolation", invented in China in the 10th century AD and introduced in Europe in 1714. That is, it was invented before science, by doctors who had no way to isolate any germ but understood that an unknown _something_ passed from patients to other people to spread the disease, and that those who survived smallpox were immune to catching it again.
They had no way to kill or weaken the virus (which they did not even know about), but they collected and administered smallpox scabs and pus, trying to deliberately spread the _something_ in very small amounts in hopes of causing mild cases of smallpox. Since they had no way of measuring the strength of the scabs and pus, errors in the forms both of no immunity and of full-blown fatal infections were rather common - but, considering that in this era smallpox killed at least 1/10 of each generation and infected at least 1/3, variolation worked often enough that it did reduce both the death rate and the number of severely scarred survivors.
But the best use of it was probably by the military. George Washington had his soldiers variolated while in camp, with no expectation of needing to fight soon. Even if this had killed just as many as a natural epidemic, this ensured that his troops were not dying or too ill to fight from smallpox when he was counting on them for a battle. It was better to have some die earlier from variolation, and make his plans according to the number that were left, and it was much, much better to have those that would get sick and recover do it while the army was resting in camp.
"They had no way to kill or weaken the virus (which they did not even know about), but they collected and administered smallpox scabs and pus, trying to deliberately spread the _something_ in very small amounts in hopes of causing mild cases of smallpox."
Oh..thats Obamacare!
"Quite likely" sounds like such a rigid construct for government power.
Um, their employee is being forced to mandate it by the government dumb ass.
Employer.
An employer would never ask you do to something unsafe or not in your best interests. They are run by top men, pure as the wind driven snow.
So nothing but an appeal to authority then? And here I thought our front-line medical workers were heroes and geniuses.
Of course you can always come up with some hypothetical scenario where they are being required to get an unsafe vaccination, but that doesn’t really happen in the real world where real people live.
Anthrax vaccine you retarded fuck.
Ignorance is part of her schtick.
H1N1...
Given the lack of any liability...why would it be unfathomable?
Yeah, let's wonder about people who have actual health science expertise and experience--and who prefer to think for themselves (while trying to physically take care of others). Much better to align with people who know nothing about health care or are busy pushing the authoritarian agenda.
No problem with vaccines.
Experimental therapeutics, however...
One has to wonder how a moron as yourself keeps pushing for a poisonous shot that does nothing for a human in regards of protection from a virus. A moron who apparently hasn't taken a single second of his pathetic life and LOOKED up WHAT a mRNA shot....., IS! A moron who literally worships at the alter of Big Pharmaceutical and Wall Street in general. Covid has never been isolated in a human. The PCR test in no way shape or form can detect a virus. The TURNING on its head..., the science and importance of asymptomatic humans in SHUTTING down all viruses. The falsehoods of WHAT mask can ACTUALLY do. On and on your ignorance goes.... U r but a ridiculous little human embarrassment whose whole life is based in false fear. Yes.... U r f-ing gross.
The Phucko Knows
private sector jobs
They wont be unemployed a week.
This is a good decision overall. If there is going to be vast expansion of the state's powers, it should come from the legislature and not from the executive.
Sigh. Or, maybe no vast expansion of the state's power. But sure, you're a radical individualist with serious Libertarian leanings. Not a radical progressive.
Well, maybe Chemjeff respects the constitution, and the "separation of powers"? The idea that the executive should execute the laws as written by the law-makers? That the executive is NOT a King or an Emperor? If we can't even respect THAT, then what are we left with, other than "My Tribe GOOD; your tribe BAD"?
Let me repeat it for you. Maybe this time it will be clearer.
This is a good decision overall. **If** there is going to be vast expansion of the state's powers, it should come from the legislature and not from the executive.
Why not just say that there shouldn't be any vast expansion of state powers? The state (at the federal level) is already way beyond constitutional bounds as far as powers go.
I never understand why people want others to have dominion over them and tell them how to do everything.
"If others are to have dominion over me, I would MUCH rather that they follow the Rule of Law, and NOT of men, when they power-grab my freedoms. In fact, the MORE obstacles that are thrown in their way, the better!"
Now... Did I just say that I desperately lust for others to have dominion over me? Do you lie, twist, and distort much? WHY do you DO this??!! Are YOU lusting after dominion over me, perhaps? It is a TOTALLY fair question, Distorting One!
Duh, cuz they are "smarter" and "morally superior".
yeah baby killers claim moral high ground.
Biden and Pigloser...Catholics. Abortionists.
God damn psychopaths
I am making a process argument. The legislature should be the body that decides upon substantive increases in state power, not the executive. I'm not making an argument on the wisdom of that power. I cannot predict the future. I can imagine situations where vast increases in state power might possibly be justified. But if they are to occur, it should be the legislature that decides upon them.
The people and states should. That's why we have an amendment process you ignorant shit.
“This is a good decision overall.”
Prepare for the Wrath of the Conservaturds, Part XXIIVX!!! 'Cause you forgot the obvious exception... EXCEPT if The Executive wears Orange Bronzer!!!
(Otherwise, kudos, IMHO. If the legislature votes us into micro-managed All-Powers-to-Government-Almighty, then we need to vote the bastards OUT!!! Assuming that The TrumptatorShit hasn't yet replaced democracy with mobocracy, that is.)
Sarc, let jeff know it is you so he doesn't turn you down pining for your sock.
It doesn’t make you a conservative to point out he didn’t need to say IF.
chemjeff radical individualist
January.13.2022 at 4:31 pm
"If there is going to be vast expansion of the state's powers..."
SOME Conservaturds can't read, it seems to me! ***IF*** Conservaturds want to be taken seriously, it seems to me that they should learn to READ!!! ***IF***... Do you SEE the ***IF*** here?!??!
I literally mentioned the word “if” in capital letters.
It was completely unnecessary from a libertarian perspective, it gives the statist an inch when they’re already taking a couple hundred miles.
OK, I see your point. Gotcha! Agreed!
If you're against the expansion of federal powers, these buffoons think you're a conservative.
So JesseBahnFuhrer... You ready to endorse Section 230 then? Which CLEARLY limits fed powers? Or are you STILL lusting to pussy-grab the "enemy", and "make the libs cry"?
These voters (such as JesseBahnFuhrer) simply cannot or will not recognize the central illusion of politics… You can poozzy grasp all of the people some of the time, and you can poozzy grasp some of the people all of the time, but you cannot poozzy grasp all of the people all of the time! Sooner or later, karma catches up, and the others will poozzy grasp you right back!
Section 230 literally does not limit federal powers in any way, shape or form you stupid twat. It limits the CIVIL liability of politically-connected online service providers. Jesus Christ you're a fucking embarrassment.
Hey brainless moron... WHO is it who enforces CIVIL court findings? If I take every last drop of water and every last bite of food from you, via police power, as "enforcement" after a CIVIL court finding, are you ANY less dead?
Fucking brain-dead stupid MORON you are! Did your mom NOT bother to check you for defective chromosomes or homophones before you were born?
If there is going to be vast expansion of the state's powers, it should come from the legislature and not from the executive.
And be sent to hell by SCOTUS!! Enumerated powers can only be expanded by Constitutional amendment.
At least that’s the system the FFs gave us.
Hahahaha.... You said "enumerated powers"!!!!
Hahahhahaha!!! Only us weirdo libertarians quaintly hold to such notions. As Kagan's confirmation hearing proved, not even the Republicans believe in the concept of enumerated powers. She unequivocally disqualified herself during her hearings to anyone who even cares A tiny bit about such things. Yet she was easily confirmed.
There are maybe A few thousand of us who still believe in outdated notions like "A nation of laws" and "just read the text of the constitution where it declares unequivocally that these are the only powers the government has.". The enlightenment is over. Nobody is remotely interested in limiting the power of their fellow travellers.
Hey Cyto, can you get me "approved" over at Glibs? I really enjoy their daily links. Not sure their registration is working. I've requested access twice, but no luck. 🙁
They have some of the best daily links, and the best quips for them, just about anywhere.
Change your name immediately, chemjeff wannabe statist. You don't pose a question, you issue an invitation.
You are no radical individualist.
He’s not even a moderate individualist.
lol, guess what the 1st thing Mitch Mcconnell does when he retakes the senate? Democrats are such pussies. It's why they lose.
Kill the filibuster, stack the court. It's going to happen anyway.
Hope not. If you stack the court with 10 justices the next time the other party has control they will add 20 justices. Before long everyone in the USA will be a Justice.
Whoo Hoo! I get a lifetime 2%er salary and can't be fired no matter how much I fuck up! I'm totally in on that.
I don't think that will happen. Time will tell.
SCOTUS: Screw YOU, Fascist Progs!
It's great they aren't blowing up the ENTIRE economy, but it's terrible they're blowing up the health care industry. Next up: Government takes over.
Notice how Republican cross over and vote on Constitution and law even if you know they don't agree.
You never see a liberal Supreme Court Justice do that.
Really, just wanted to say - Reason sucks now but the commenters are the best around.
Aw, thanks, man.
Agreed and agreed. Thx for joining the commentary.
“Fuck Joe Biden.”
-The United States Supreme Court
Abd the Congregation replies:
"And his little Dog Fauci!"
AAAAYYYYYYMMMEEENNN!
That CMS decision was a 5-4 decision; I am sure it will be revisited - it was no slam dunk. I do not see any discussion of anti-commandeering, and you can bet this will come back to SCoTUS via another route.
The OSHA decision, the case was over when the 5th circuit eviscerated the vax mandate. This never should have gone to SCoTUS.
that proves the Left dont give a flying fuck about safety or people, its "win" or , " slash and burn."
FJB!
Both decisions were purely on injunctions and both still have to be settled in the lower courts first.
There's not a day goes by when I'm not thankful that Merrick Garland never made it to the Supreme Court. Now, I hope the voters recognize the only reason we don't have these mandates, and they had to go to the court, is because of 2 Democrats and 50 Republicans in the Senate that the Biden Administration knows they can't slip mandate legislation through.
+1000
And I pray every day that once the GOP re-takes the House and Senate, we can find a way to impeach Garland. He is truly scum.
Thank Donald Trump.
HE DID THIS.
And Im sure that absolutely infuriates the Left.
This is Kavs Revenge.
FUCK JOE BIDEN.
Yes, Trump's greatest achievement was protecting the SC. That's the one area where his "I'm surrounded by great people" position was at least somewhat true.
Yup. But the libertarians at Reason endorsed Biden. Go figure.
well many of his statements were positive and hopeful, a delight in contrast to the constant drone of division, hate and the Race to the Bottom of the Left.
tony fauci's screams might be the best deterrent to future fascist proposals.
In a just world, a sniper would have fixed him long before this.
This IS how Nazi Germany started.
Since Dick Cheney is back from the grave, maybe he could take Fauci on a hunting trip.
..take the bastard back with him
..
Why?
They're on the same team and have the same goals
Best part...Gorsuch referenced Klain's retweet that this was just a workaround to get this done. That amuses me to no end.
IIRC it was part of the 5th Circuit’s reasoning as well.
...and Bidets twice attempting to subvert the Courts decisions will be remembered.
It's scary that something this blatantly obvious was a 6-3 decision instead of unanimous. Obama's picks for SCOTUS have consistently been the worst justices we've seen in a long time on most issues. The Sotomayor quote showing an inability to distinguish between the proper limits of federal and state power is especially pathetic. Hopefully this loss doesn't cause ZomBiden to bring back the dangerous talk about court packing.
Why the Dissenters are wrong.
This is not a workplace safety issue.
Words have meanings.
" workplace" means location of activities by workers intended to facilitate the business of the company.
" safety" means managing carefully, observably defined risks to worker safety.
These must be CLEARLY and obviously measurable, quantifiable, definable and documentable risks.
A construction worker in a setting where heavy objects such as bricks may fall from above must wear hard hats.
The safety measure itself must not cause injury.
If safety lines present more risk of trip, entanglement, fall, then workers can refuse to use them.
NONE of this largely fabricated and statistical virus hysteria is so quantifiable.
It is not observable.
It is not a risk if it cant be observed and quantified and clearly mitigated by the safety rule.
This was purely about Biden failing to get his EO to stand as Public Law, which is not allowed for an EO, pushed thru by any devious means.
FJB
FAF
Mostly the dissenters are wrong because they make decisions based on desired social outcomes (like most Democrats), and then concoct some legal BS to justify it.
EXACTLY.
And they had two Justices they fked over bad...Kav and ACB.
If it wasnt for them, this might not have gone well.
Speaking of Justices, its interesting to read the bios of Sortamexican and Kagan...
politickers, not career Judges.
Thanks Trump!
What was Biden yelling about this afternoon? It was the proverbial "old man yelling at the clouds" moment. Something about "who counts the votes....counts the votes". He is slipping more and more every day. They are going to have to stop letting him go out in public.
Peppermint Psaki said that businesses were advised to proceed with the mandate. She said the Biden administration would “not be deterred” by the Supreme Court decision, and all employers should immediately continue to “initiate vaccination requirements.”
So, now what?
"Peppermint Psaki "
THAT IS EPIC!!!!!
You just scored a million Comment points with that one!
Isnt that INSURRECTION talk?
Sedition?
Clearly and unequivocally.
And so what?? What exactly is anyone going to do about it??
To paraphrase, "he has his ruling.... Now let us see him enforce it..."
Should the administration push it..... What would happen? It should be grounds for removal from office .... But by who? The democrats have shown that they will do no such thing. They have not only protected their own, they have gone so far as to attempt impeachment for the temerity of asking about the corrupt acts of Democrat officials.
Obama demonstrated that if you have the bureaucracy behind you, you do not need the courts or the law on your side. And if you have enough appeals court judges on you side, all the better. You are basically a dictator with your pen and your phone.
Exactly. Obozo had a dictator complex.
OR WAS IT BIDEN...
Obozo the Kenyan Clown ( may he rot in hell) was an outsider. He just happened to successfully play the Race Card.
Biden was the insider...
Bidet is the commonality in both.
Now those employers just lost their 'just following orders' card, and will be on the hook for vaccine injuries.
"The outcome is the right one—Biden's order was a breathtaking overreach of federal power into the affairs of private individuals and businesses—but this is, to paraphrase Kavanaugh, not how the everyday exercise of government should work."
Umm you're talking about the guy you voted for right Eric? And three of the SCOTUS justices that shut down his breathtaking overreach were appointed by a guy that you and your colleagues spent 5 years trashing? Do I have my facts right? You pissed away your credibility years ago. You need to find a new schtick where you don't have to make an ass of yourself with every article. ENB does the whole sex worker thing. What libertarian doesn't love sex workers? What about food trucks? I know it's pretty well covered here but how about a multi part expose revealing the suffering of undocumented workers deprived of cheap, tasty chalupas on the job site? What about Bitcoin? What about Kenny G? Does Kenny own Bitcoin? Libertarians want to know. Robbie is a Fox News talking head now. His future is so bright he has to wear shades. Or maybe it's just his blindingly gorgeous hair. He still makes an ass of himself, but not on fox news. Only on Twitter and here at Reason. Don't get me wrong Eric. The fact that you've been pathetically wrong about pretty much everything for your entire career is no impediment to your future success. Look at Tom Friedman. You just need a new raison d'être. Uncle Charles is a buddy of George Soros. Maybe a former Nazi who got rich stealing from Jews in WW2 and has destroyed the economies of entire nations is actually a friend of liberty. Libertarians want to know. Somebody needs to bring his misunderstood story to the masses. You could be that guy. I like you Eric. You're a good guy. You've spent your career to date regurgitating progressive talking points. But watching you drown in your own vomit is not a good look.
"...Umm you're talking about the guy you voted for right Eric? And three of the SCOTUS justices that shut down his breathtaking overreach were appointed by a guy that you and your colleagues spent 5 years trashing? Do I have my facts right? You pissed away your credibility years ago. You need to find a new schtick where you don't have to make an ass of yourself with every article..."
Eric's face needs to be wiped in this every single day, with a boot-mark on the back of his head.
Fuck you, you TDS-addled pile of shit! Fuck you with a rusty garden implement, far more than once!
...shut him down TWICE!!
Biden is a hot fart in an elevator stuck between floors..
This outcome is weird as hell.... Not the final ruking, but the entire notion of controversy and the dissent.
Biden himself argued that he had no such authority... Something he has made a habit of. He clearly did not believe his actions were constitutional, which is a shocking (and oft repeated) violation of his oath of office.
But the fact that the 3 leftists on the court felt compelled to dissent in a case where even their own team did not believe the actions were justifiable is astonishing.
I get Kagan... She thinks the President is King as long as he is a Democrat. She opined that the Federal government could require you to buy broccoli, proving that she does not understand the constitution or the structure of the US government in the slightest. Even so.... Why?
Why did they feel compelled to draw the line here? Is political cover that important?? There is no great issue at stake. OSH handing out mandates about individual healthcare is unlikely to be a regular thing.
Are they standing up for the broad reach of the President to use regulatory agencies to rule over every aspect of life? Why?
I mean, they definitely ruled that way for Obama... But they lived through the Trump administration in the intervening years were they were happy to rule that a president cannot issue any executive orders of any sort at all, even rescinding a previous executive order.
Are they simply trying to undermine the authority of the court?
I really , really don't get this.
Maybe it is the disinformation campaign they were subjected to behind the scenes??? With all three spouting Alex Jones level nonsense from n the bench, I suppose this is possible..... But still... They had days to digest the rebukes. Surely they can read the room. This sort of thing crushes any credibility they thought they had. And all for nothing.
Perhaps they were signaling that are perfectly willing to accept the packing of the court in a case they knew everybody would be watching.
"We are partisan, and we don't care who knows. Give us the court and we will rule in your favor."
100,000 children in the hospital on ventilators is 2 orders of magnitude from the truth. That is a pretty distinct tell.
Kagan is trash. Somebody once commented that she shreds a copy of the Constitution every morning. I know that was in jest, but I think she really does. At least, in her mind. It's clear she give zero fucks about the Constitution and all she cares about is enabling Progressive power.
At least Sotomayer respects the 4th, sometimes. But her statements on this case make it clear she is completely, 100%, a Progressive stooge. I have no doubt she walks down an empty street with 2 masks on.
Breyer is an emotionally unstable old fart. It's sad the way he tries to jump through hoops to defend his decisions. When you look up judicial activism in the dictionary (before they started redefining everything) there is a picture of him.
Roberts - what a cunt.
Even so.... Why?
Did you try reading the dissent? Maybe the answer you are looking for is in there.
The dissent from the three butthurt progs? The dissent that rests on the lie that the vaccine stops transmission?
I think an answer is there, but it's not what you want.
As I said.... It is silly.
I mean, all decisions and dissents these days are rationalizations of policy decisions.... So this is no outlier for that reason... But there clearly is no statutory authority for this. As I said, even the guy who promulgated the edict said he did not believe he had the authority to do so.
So "RTFR" is not really responsive. The question is not what rationalization did they attach to their opinion, the question is why in the world did they feel it was necessary to make a stand on this one?
The only reason I can think of is partisan politics, and politics of the most naked kind. The need to cast this as some sort of tainted ruling.
But I suppose there could be other reasons. The one thing I know for sure, it is not some principle of law or constitutional philosophy. If you can predict which way justices are going to rule simply based on which party is doing the asking, the likelihood of getting an honest opinion out of any of them is very close to zero.
But when even the party in power does not believe in the constitutionality or statutory authority of their own edict, it really is kind of stunning to see members of the court stand up for it like this.
Go on the Scotus site and read their Bios.
It abundantly clear that Sortamexican and Kagan are minor League, ' JV' political plants.
Their experience being Judges is very thin.
Sotomayor perhaps, but Kagan was explicitly mentioned by no less than Scalia as the sort of intelligent progressive that he could at least respect and have a good debate with.
I’m still of the belief our whole government and its agencies need to be Overthrown and install people who love the Constitution. Drain the Swamp with bullets. And expects our healthcare workers with morals and a critical thinking brain will quit in droves and our Hospitals will look like a 3rd World Shit Hole. Thanks ObamaCare for setting the precedence.
This present crisis is an Agency problem.
CON- gress ( emphasis on ' con') has no authority under the Constitution to invent more Govt Branches ( call it what it is!) by Legislative dictum.
That is a wholesale violation of Separation of
Powers.
The Sleight of Hand trick is giving them to the President tonplay Dictator with, as happened in this matter.
The Courts are left out of that process and this Ruling set that strait. Biden got his Dictum cut off and handed to him.
What a fucking joke. The entire shitshow is predicated on the falsehood that the jab stops transmission.
Given that it doesn't, there is absolutely no basis for imposing a mandate on healthcare workers! And 90 days for natural antibodies? Are we serious here? When even the NIH is counting +8 months for thr more comprehensive set of acquired resistance...
Spoiler alert, Anthony "The Science" FauXi is pushing a doctored narrative.
Who knows how effective the vaccines are? The companies and governments can lie to us.
Omigod proves it isnt.
If its so effective then why are a population mostly vaccinated still, after THREE calendar years, getting sick?
And if its so ' safe' whys it killed 50,000 people?
Well, you said it right- THE vaccine, SINGULAR, not ' vaccines' as in ' vax for this variant.
The f-ing con artists are selling a 3 year old vax for a 2022 variant, and the con artist Bidens helping them.
Great scam! Ol Bidet will be in libe for a Yuge kickback to leave to Hunter to buy drugs.
A Synopsis of Joe Bidens record so far..
Comic Relief Friday
Wile E. Biden fails!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Fc9JbcqAaOM
Oh THIS is priceless:
"Biden all but concedes defeat on voting, election bills" AP
Happy Freakin New Year!!
Drudges head titles great!
Joe Blow!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Justices Stephen Breyer, Sonia Sotomayor, and Elena Kagan are just flat out wrong. If a mandate was passed through legislation there there would be more of an argument, but as a result of an executive order it is an egregious overreach and abuse of power.
So Awesome to scroll through the ad hominems and name calling to get to the box where i have an honest constitutional question about the decision that maybe a JD or the like here knows. In Mr Boehms summary he stresses the Courts decision was based on the mandate being outside the scope and therefore would rely on undefined “Major Questions” not explicit nor ever defined in Congress’ charter of OSHA’s power. To an armchair jurist, this concept seems to fit in the subcategory of Separation of Powers and through that lens I wonder : Had Congress gotten together and defined national health emergencies or something more broad to charter OSHA to enforce, would they have decided differently? It seems to me that there is still a separation of powers problem with the mandate regardless of what Congress tells OSHA it is chartered to do. Anyone?
If Congress had changed the enumerated powers of any agency, those powers would be different yes.
I believe the first mandate attempt was rejected and told to go through proper legislation.
Happily, Brandon went hog wild on the unilateral powers and is being spanked for it.
Thanks Nuts. But to what foundational concept is the majority’s opinion anchored? Agency power authorized by Congress, or broader Separation of Powers as it pertains to liberties. I would think even an explicit congressional OSHA charter would come under fire from originalists. Of course, the decision may have been narrowly scoped within NFIBs writ, which a good petitioner would do to avoid asking the Court to zoom out to Separation of Powers.
"But to what foundational concept is the majority’s opinion anchored? Agency power authorized by Congress, or broader Separation of Powers as it pertains to liberties"
Neither, LEFTY TROLL.
THEY DECIDED UPON THE CONSTITUTION.
You mark your self as a Butt Hurt Troll when you play pseudo intellectual but start off attacking everyone you dont like.
Fail.
Biden Blows. Deal with it.
It's amazing that their stance includes the idea that "you can get covid anywhere so it can't be upheld in a workplace."
Time to roll back OSHA entirely then because I can fall off a ladder, slip on a floor, etc. anywhere else too.
Where did OHSA mandate a vaccine that prevented people from falling off a ladder or slipping into a floor? There is no such thing.
You don't think your posts through, do you? Anyone else feel like refuting this guy?
Thats like doing ladder safety training for Craft...AND office workers.
Talk about " detached from reality"
As if we would expect anything different from this illegitimate SC. Goresuch is sitting in Garland's seat (it was stolen from twice elected Obama and given to never elected Trump) and Barrett is sitting in a Biden seat (she was approved after the presidential vote which dumped Trump in his 2nd popular vote defeat, which was worse than his first had already started). There are no rules for the court anymore.
Actually, all past justices have been rejected or accepted within the law. Nothing illegitimate about it.
PS And Roberts, Alito, and Kavanaugh were all appointed by Presidents that Americans rejected. Thomas is the only "conservative" nominated by a President Americans wanted to become president.
On the contrary, all justices were appointed by elected presidents. It doesn't matter if they went on to serve a second term or not.
You don't really have the brightest mind out there, do you, Joe?
Cmon Guys, giva a Niga, a break!
I cant get my demands pushed through as law, I dont know my own name and have applesauce for dinner, how about a little love?
And I think Jill and Kamala are having a
" thing" behind my back.
"Biden"
"Shot"
Kinda has a ring to it...
Well that is good but they will be back, and in greater numbers.
Here is the truth about the flim-flam-demic:
https://tritorch.com/flim-flam-demic