It's Dangerous to Allow Politicians and Officials to Decide What Constitutes 'Truth'
"Governments realize that they are in an existential battle over who controls information."

It's no secret that governments worldwide are increasingly hostile to scrutiny of their conduct. But, at a moment when too many media outlets see their role as working with the state to reinforce official narratives, one advocate of press freedom reminds us that the struggle isn't over the "disinformation" and "misinformation" called out by opportunistic politicians, it's over control of information. Will people be free in the future to decide for themselves what's truth and what's BS? Or will we be spoon-fed whatever the powers-that-be endorse?
"Governments realize that they are in an existential battle over who controls information, who controls the narrative, and they are waging a frontal assault against independent journalism around the world," Joel Simon, the exiting head of the Committee to Protects Journalists (CPJ), told CNN's Brian Stelter.
"This is the information age, and we are in a kind of millennial battle over who controls information," he added. "Who controls it? That's the power struggle. And so, governments recognize—repressive governments, but even democratic governments—that this is an essential tool that they need to maintain power and journalists are their adversaries."
Simon spoke after the release of a CPJ report warning of escalating attacks on journalists, demonstrating that the stakes for those who offend government officials are very high. The report found 293 reporters jailed for their work around the world, and at least 24 killed because of their efforts.
CPJ isn't the only organization recognizing that independent sources of information are under attack. Last October, the Norwegian Nobel Committee awarded the Nobel Peace Prize to Maria Ressa and Dmitry Muratov for their coverage of government conduct in the Philippines and Russia "in a world in which democracy and freedom of the press face increasingly adverse conditions."
"Free, independent and fact-based journalism serves to protect against abuse of power, lies and war propaganda," the committee added.
Unfortunately, the award illustrated the extent to which journalists can be co-opted as gatekeepers. Ressa sniffed in 2019 that "the wholesale dumping of Wikileaks actually isn't journalism," distinguishing her efforts from those of the organization's founder, Julian Assange, who languishes in prison, awaiting his fate after exposing abuse of power, lies, and war propaganda by the U.S. government. Too many journalists are open to cultivation by politicians as a separate class from purveyors of alleged "misinformation," disinformation," or "extremism" depending on what's convenient at the moment.
Before the pandemic, New Zealand Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern joined with French President Emmanuel Macron to develop the Christchurch Call targeting "extremist content" online. Since then, New Zealand in particular has moved to emphasize "freedom from misinformation" especially with regard to efforts against COVID-19.
Similarly, the British government commissioned a 2021 report from RAND Europe promoting practices by "civil society, government, media and social-media-company actors in terms of reducing the spread of false information and building societal resilience" with regard to "hateful extremism within society during COVID-19." The report highlights Germany's notorious NetzDG Act as an example that "levying large fines on tech companies that do not remove false information and hateful extremist content in a timely way can increase companies' responsiveness in removing this content from their platforms."
Despite robust First Amendment protections for free speech rights, the U.S. is not immune to powerful people's desire to control information.
"We're going to have to figure out how we rein in our media environment so that you can't just spew disinformation and misinformation," Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.) insisted last year.
In July, White House Press Secretary Jen Psaki called on social media companies to act as government proxies by removing what the administration flags as "narratives dangerous to public health."
Interestingly, CPJ's Joel Simon predicted the pandemic would empower efforts to control information.
"[W]e must be mindful that when we get to the other side of the pandemic, we may be left with a narrative, being written by China, that government control over information was essential to combating the crisis," he warned in March 2020. "That would be a devastating blow to the global information system, one that could endure even as the memories of the terrible pandemic we are currently facing slowly fade."
Since then, he's been proven painfully prescient as politicians' concerns have morphed from fighting "extremism" to suppressing "disinformation" to a weird amalgam of the two, unified by the alleged need to control what the public says, reads, and shares.
That's not to say, by the way, that material tagged as extremism isn't extreme, or that posts called out as disinformation aren't false. To open a web browser is to encounter a wide world of bigotry, bogus concerns about vaccine safety, nonsensical charges about election integrity, and fact-free arguments over whether or not COVID-19 even exists. But bullshit isn't a recent invention.
Free societies recognize that it's a lot more dangerous to let government officials designate what constitutes capital-T Truth than it is to respect people's rights to decide for themselves. When officialdom makes the call, legitimate news outlets get called "fake," as former President Trump often smeared his critics, extremists get conflated with opponents of school policies, as the Justice Department did last fall, and claims that COVID-19 originated in a lab leak in China are suppressed as conspiracy theories before later earning respectful treatment.
Truthful information doesn't require a government seal of approval because government officials are as flawed and biased as anybody else. They're prone to declaring debates over for convenient reasons of their own even as new evidence emerges and disagreements remain unresolved not necessarily because of rejection of facts, but often over fundamental differences in values and preferences. Powerful figures are in no position to save us from bad information because they're a major source of the stuff themselves and, if allowed, can use force to impose their versions of reality on dissenters.
We really are in an existential battle over who controls information, just as Joel Simon warned. It's not a battle over what constitutes truth, which remains as hard as ever to determine. Instead, this battle over control of information is a struggle over our freedom to decide for ourselves without having other people's decisions crammed down our throats.
Editor's Note: As of February 29, 2024, commenting privileges on reason.com posts are limited to Reason Plus subscribers. Past commenters are grandfathered in for a temporary period. Subscribe here to preserve your ability to comment. Your Reason Plus subscription also gives you an ad-free version of reason.com, along with full access to the digital edition and archives of Reason magazine. We request that comments be civil and on-topic. We do not moderate or assume any responsibility for comments, which are owned by the readers who post them. Comments do not represent the views of reason.com or Reason Foundation. We reserve the right to delete any comment and ban commenters for any reason at any time. Comments may only be edited within 5 minutes of posting. Report abuses.
Please
to post comments
"It's Dangerous to Allow Politicians and Officials to Decide What Constitutes 'Truth'"
...unless you read Orwell as an instruction manual rather than a cautionary tale. It seems the DNC did just that.
This was obviously apparent when Facebook started "Fact-Checking" official information. That was almost 2 years ago. People are currently being punted from twitter for citing official CDC information.
And Robbie has cheered some of it.
More of it than he has condemned.
Gʀᴇᴀᴛ ᴊᴏʙ ғᴏʀ sᴛᴜᴅᴇɴᴛs, sᴛᴀʏ-ᴀᴛ-ʜᴏᴍᴇ ᴍᴏᴍs ᴏʀ ᴀɴʏᴏɴᴇ ɴᴇᴇᴅɪɴɢ ᴀɴ ᴇxᴛʀᴀ ɪɴᴄᴏᴍᴇ... Yᴏᴜ ᴏɴʟʏ ɴᴇᴇᴅ ᴀ ᴄᴏᴍᴘᴜᴛᴇʀ ᴀɴᴅ ᴀ ʀᴇʟɪᴀʙʟᴇ ɪɴᴛᴇʀɴᴇᴛ ᴄᴏɴɴᴇᴄᴛɪᴏɴ... Mᴀᴋᴇ $90 ʜᴏᴜʀʟʏ ᴀɴᴅ ᴜᴘ ᴛᴏ $12020 ᴀ ᴍᴏɴᴛʜ ʙʏ ғᴏʟʟᴏᴡɪɴɢ ʟɪɴᴋ ᴀᴛ ᴛʜᴇ ʙᴏᴛᴛᴏᴍ ᴀɴᴅ sɪɢɴɪɴɢ ᴜᴘ... Yᴏᴜ ᴄᴀɴ ʜᴀᴠᴇ ʏᴏᴜʀ ғɪʀsᴛ ᴄʜᴇᴄᴋ ʙʏ ᴛʜᴇ ᴇɴᴅ ᴏғ ᴛʜɪs ᴡᴇᴇᴋ,go to tech tab for work detail,..........
Try it, you won’t regret it........CASHAPP NOW
NEW VACCINE TALKING POINTS FROM MODERNA..
"Just one more", ( booster)
"LIKELY TO BE EFFECTIVE"
( no mention of " safe")...
Ok Trolls, there are the Talking Points.
Now fly like Wizard of Oz monkeys and repeat them like the good Douchebags you are.
I have received dfy exactly $20845 last month from this and home job. Join now this job and start making extra cash online nam by follow instruction
on the given website........... Visit Here
Oceania is at war with Eastasia, therefore Oceania was always at war with Eastasia. Tear down all the posters saying Oceania is at war with Eurasia.
Twitter and Facebook the same now? Or just a convenient bogyman?
Here are 7 at-home jobs that pay at least $100/day. And there’s quite the variety too! Some of these work-at-home jobs are more specialized, others are jobs that anyone can do. They all pay at least $3000/month, but some pay as much as $10,000.
GO HOME PAGE FOR MORE DETAILS………
Click Here
Don’t get your panties in a twist. There’s no good reason to be afraid of the truth.
Truth is reality! It is defined to the best of our ability with robust application of logic and science. If you can’t demonstrate either, you just can’t define the truth.
Reality, truth is never defined with politics, compromise or belief.
Only if you are dumb enough to advocate lies and half truths you should be very afraid.
Truth, reality as it is defined, is a force of evolution for all living things. When we recognize, accept and act in accordance with it we can use our intelligence to make good decisions. The coercion of lying is a crime against humanity.
Just criminalize lying already to take away your fear of corruption.
To the gas chambers with liars, eh? Or do I have the wrong demographic you Nazi fuck?
"This man named Misek said he caught one this big!"
https://www.algemeiner.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/child.jpg
SPRINGTIME FOR MISEK!!!!
The thing is, that play really would be a flop. 🙂
"...Just criminalize lying already to take away your fear of corruption...."
You'd be permanently behind bars, Nazi shit.
I can't tell if this is parody or you're really that stupid.
Nope, no parody. Just a Holocaust denying, Jews-run-the-world Hitlerite. (But on the plus side, for him it’s always SPRINGTIME)
To answer in a word: yes. What he calls Truth and Reality is a parody of Truth and Reality and he really is that stupid.
That would increase corruption. The whistleblowers would be prosecuted as liars by the powers that be.
People have a right to lie. It's your responsibility to determine truth from falsehood for yourself.
You obviously didn’t comprehend my comment. Truth is defined by logic and science, not “powers that be”.
Lying is coercion. People do not have a right to coerce.
So instead, we shall compel!
Jawohl.
Death and taxes fuckwit.
With people like you, mankind will never have a shortage of death and taxes.
Like truth, I’m inevitable.
Uhm, they have a right to try to coerce.
We have the freedom, agency, to choose to break the law, justice, or abide by it.
Choosing wrongly and losing your freedom is the price of civilization.
With authority comes responsibility.
None of you fuckwits have demonstrated comprehension much less refuted my logic.
You’re dumb as a post with delusions of grandeur. It jades your perception of human intelligence.
Every time you deny what you can’t refute you demonstrate your ignorance. Are you trying to steal my thunder?
I did enjoy demonstrating that you’re all holocaust deniers. You are your own best bogeyman.
I demonstrated that you’re holocaust deniers, like almost everyone else. Does that make you a Nazi, an anti Semite?
I mean unless you believe the Jewish leaders and media who claimed no less than 166 times between 1900 and 1945 that there were so many holocausts of 6 million Jews…YOU ARE DENYING JEWISH CLAIMS OF HOLOCAUSTS OF 6 MILLION JEWS.
Why don’t you demonstrate that you’ve considered these facts by either agreement or refuting them.
Having had rubbed in your face that your cherished narrative upon which you base your worldview is false, do you pick yourself up, beaten but ready to finally recognize reality? No.
No, you hang on to the lie, denying reality. Is it insanity?
Your satanic cult called Judaism is so invested in lying that you can’t accept reality. In the reality that demonstrates your cult is based on lying, cheating and stealing your cult has no future.
Your claim of perpetual persecution is the direct natural evolutionary result of denying reality. Persecution is all your cult has and it’s your own fault. You pathetically choose it over the reality of your insignificance.
The harm your lying causes is real enough. Your cult preys on our evolutionary trust in reality which is also a fundamental requirement of civilization. Were we uncivilized, you would pay with your lives, ironically the common theme of your false narratives. Instead you twist your punishment into false persecution.
After all, lying is your harmful shtick.
Again, Herr Troll,
The original estimated number from Hillbergs 1961 “The destruction of the European Jews” (one of the first serious works on the topic) was about 5.1 million. (Between 4.8 to 5.4 million). Not 6 million.
That “6 million” has become a broadly repeated recurring rallying cry, doesn’t make the actual Holocaust a lie. It makes it the same as just about any relative historical estimate of death numbers or army sizes or anything. Except it’s actually way more accurate, because there’s a bunch of primary documentation on it. Particularly in regards to the Einzatzgruppen.
The fact that you can cite instances of Jewish groups using the Holocaust to justify “shakedowns” of Swiss banks, censorship ala the ADL, and as political capital in general, is a separate issue from whether or not the Nazi Holocaust actually occurred. Even raging lefty anti-Israel activist Norman Finkelstein has to make this distinction in “the Holocaust industry”. Because he had family members there.
Even if you find some excuse to reject every piece of documentary evidence, even if reject every first person account, even if you choose to explain away the fact that most Holocaust revisionists have since walked back much of their own work, and that they don’t even agree with each other on statistics half the time…you need to answer the simple question:
Where did all those Jews under Nazi occupation go, then? Did they shuffle off to Buffalo?
And I’m sure you will answer. With some hyper-reductionist, politically inspired, lying bullshit. Or post some newspaper article from the Hapsburg era about those schneaky Jews.
So there were 166 previously reported holocausts of 6 million Jews which you deny.
Only the last one ,number 167, which has zero physical evidence, has been soundly refuted and is a criminal offence to refute in every nation where it allegedly occurred, you believe.
You are a 166 times holocaust denier and a one time stupid holocaust believer.
Triggered Nazi, take 2.
Hey, you know who else got triggered in his bunker and decided to ragequit?
No one claimed there were 167 Holocausts, including the newspapersyou cite, only one Holocaust, dumkopf.
Here are many of the 166 referenced claims of holocausts of 6 million Jews between the dates 1900 and 1945 in various nations.
http://wearswar.wordpress.com/2017/10/31/repeated-claims-of-6-million-jews-dying-decades-before-hitler-vs-ignored-soviet-death-camp-tolls/
Are you calling all those Jewish leaders and newspapers liars? Then you’re a holocaust denier.
And might I add, if the Holocaust was fake, what do we make of all the instances of Holocaust Resistance?
What was The Łódź Ghetto Uprising about if there was no Holocaust?
What were The Brothers Bielski doing when they established, trained, and organized a hidden village of hundreds of Jewish Partizan Resistance fighters deep in the forests of Belarus? Were they just punching and stabbing and shooting at air if they weren't resisting a non-existent Holocaust?
Why was Swedish Diplomat Raoul Wallenberg making fake passports for Jews to escape a Holocaust that didn't exist?
And what was the reason for the armed inmate uprising and mass escape in the death camp of Sobibor if the Holocaust never existed?
Misek and other Holocaust Deniers have some serious 'splaining to do!
Jews lied 166 times about holocausts to further their own selfish interests, you have not refuted this.
Lies, false documents are evidence of criminal behaviour not of a holocaust.
The fact that you think all of us are Jews just shows how firm your grasp on Truth and Reality really are. Soooo...does this mean you are lying to yourself, and thus a criminal by your own standards?
Can you cite where I said you were all Jews? I didn’t think so you irrelevant twit.
I did demonstrate that you are all either holocaust deniers or stupid.
Here's your cite, Kriegsmarine Sealion:
Your satanic cult called Judaism is so invested in lying that you can’t accept reality. In the reality that demonstrates your cult is based on lying, cheating and stealing your cult has no future.
You do advocate on behalf of Jews, Judaism.
That choice makes it your cause, even if you’re only a Jew wannabe.
Not much for comprehension are you?
This was an excellent display of how bigoted trolls deal with information that they hate but can’t refute.
Now imagine that these trolls actually had a brain and were responsible to fact check and censor misinformation.
That’s what you’re going to get if we don’t demand that truth, reality be defined by science and logic. Be part of the solution.
Your "Solution" involved guns and gas, not science, reason, and logic.
I’m calling you a bald faced liar.
If you can’t cite where my solution involves “gas and guns” logic defines that your comment is misinformation, a lie.
There, I demonstrated both the effectiveness of my solution and the feebleness of your insincerity at the same time.
Sidney Powell will show us the way to THE Truth and The Way! (Until she doesn't, that is).
https://reason.com/2021/03/23/sidney-powell-says-shes-not-guilty-of-defamation-because-no-reasonable-person-would-have-believed-her-outlandish-election-conspiracy-theory/
Sidney Powell Says She’s Not Guilty of Defamation Because ‘No Reasonable Person’ Would Have Believed Her ‘Outlandish’ Election Conspiracy Theory
Which particular lies are you wanting to hear and believe today, hyper-partisan Wonder Child?
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/08/trumps-lawyers-kraken/619915/ Trump lawyers face the heat!
nobody reads this lol
Yes. SQRLcasmic looks best in gray.
Who?
/s/
Everybody who has found the Mute button
The best way to ward off the SQRL is with bad poetry:
Powell, oh Powell
Please throw in the towel
you screech like an owl,
Whoo, Whoo. Me?
I bow deeply in honor of your poetry skills!
I KNOW that I have been BEAT!
(I lay my Golden Fiddle at your feet, Oh Longfellow!...
... And your feet are, indeed, Longfellows!)
I'll now have to call in some assistance, by a poet better than me.
From http://www.gluckman.com/harry/clintontestimony.htm , see this:
Clinton's Testimony according to Dr. Seuss
I did not do it in a car
I did not do it in a bar
I did not do it in the dark
I did not do it in the park
I did not do it on a date
I did not ever fornicate
I did not do it at a dance
I did not do it in her pants
I did not get beyond first base
I did not do it in her face
I never did it in a bed
If you think that, you've been misled
I did not do it with a groan
I did not do it on the phone
I did not cause her dress to stain
I never boinked Saddam Hussein
I did not do it with a whip
I never fondled Linda Tripp
I never acted really silly
With volunteers like Kathleen Willey
There was one time, with Margaret Thatcher
I chased her 'round, but could not catch her
No kinky stuff, not on your life
I wouldn't, even with my wife
And Gennifer Flowers' tale of woes
Was paid for by my right-wing foes
And Paula Jones, and those State Troopers
Are just a bunch of party poopers
I did not ask my friends to lie
I did not hang them out to dry
I did not do it last November
But if I did, I don't remember
I did not do it in the hall
I could have, but I don't recall
I never did it in my study
I never did it with my dog, Buddy
I never did it to Sox, the cat
I might have-once-with Arafat
I never did it in a hurry
I never groped Betty Currie
There was no sex at Arlington
There was no sex on Air Force One
I might have copped a little feel
And then endeavored to conceal
But never did these things so lewd
At least, not ever in the nude
These things to which I have confessed
They do not count, if we stayed dressed
It never happened with cigar
I never dated Mrs. Starr
I did not know this little sin
Would be retold on CNN
I broke some rules my Mama taught me
I tried to hide, but now you've caught me
But I implore, I do beseech
Do not condemn, do not impeach
I might have got a little tail
But never, never did inhale
There was a computer animation of Bill Clinton as Cat-in-the-Hat, reciting the above poetry. I have a copy, but it won’t play any more (Op. Syses upgrades), and I can’t find it on You-Tube, or anywhere else…
BONUS points for anyone who can find ANY kind of video link to the above poetry slam!!!
But isn't the key to make bad poetry short enough to read?
Bill,
It's Hill.
Will you fill
my Quill?
I will
said Bill to Hill.
Leftists think longer=smarter. It’s why they can’t meme.
Trumpty Dumpty, He’s quite off-the-wall,
Trumpty Dumpty won’t stay in His toilet stall
He just goes ahead and takes His shits,
Totally regardless of whereever He sits
Whenever He simply, no way, can sleep,
He Twits us His thoughts, they’re all SOOO deep!
He simply must, He MUST, Twit us His bird,
No matter the words, however absurd!
He sits and snorts His coke with a spoon,
Then He brazenly shoots us His moon!
They say He’ll be impeached by June,
Man, oh man, June cannot come too soon!
So He sits and jiggles His balls,
Then He Twitters upon the walls
“Some come here to sit and think,
Some come here to shit and stink
But I come here to scratch my balls,
And read the writings on the walls
Here I sit, My cheeks a-flexin’
Giving birth to another Texan!
Here I sit, upon the pooper,
Giving birth to another state trooper!
He who writes these lines of wit,
Wraps His Trump in little balls,
He who reads these lines of wit,
Eats those loser’s balls of shit!”
When all else fails, use iambic pooptraneter and devolve to comida de mierda.
Also, I would expect more from a bard such as yourself than year old copy-pasta in response to my well executed, nonsensical rhymes.
I would call you 'Wrongfellow' but taken out of context, and with a little narrative spin, I could easily be mislabeled an Asian hate monger and cancelled or worse, muted by the contrarian, Sarc.
Two whites don't make a Wong!!!
PS...
That’s nothing! The other day I was at the bank, trying to cash my welfare check from Government Almighty, and this Chinese lady, she’s changing her Yen or Ming-Mang or Confusious Deutch-Marks or Ying-Yang or whatever it is that they have in her native UN-AMERICAN homeland, to Our Precious American Dollars that Are Derived from Our Precious Bodily Fluids, but I diverge and divulge… In any case, she wants American dollars, and they give her less than she’s expecting, she says, more or less. “What gives?!?! Yetsterday I gotta so-and-so, now I get SOOO much less than so-and-so!!!” … They says, “Fluctuations”. She says, “Well, FLUCK you white people too, then!!!”
Asian hate at that level, you must be a POC or Biden Voter, which is redundant as a description according to the vaunted one.
I hope you have an alternative source for your dry cleaning.
Cue Sarcannihilation.
Sqrl has an Abbey- Normal brain.
If any.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=C9Pw0xX4DXI
You sure about that? It appears to be a pump-primer. 🙂
Shit goes in, shit comes out.
"Interestingly, CPJ's Joel Simon predicted the pandemic would empower efforts to control information."
That's not interesting. Every single libritarian commenter here has been saying this since the wuflu started. Anyone with a brain knows how the progtards that gravitate to Gov work. They do not care about facts or figures, and they despise freedom of choice.
And the leftists posing as libertarians here defend those actions under fake claims of independence between government and corporations.
They exhibit a special kind of ignorant where they treat reality as of it is an ideal state and not corrupt and interconnected. Simpleton like sarc and Mike.
By leftists posting do you mean the Comme terms or reason staff? Because both have falsy used the private corporation line for the last few years
Both. It is a simplistic freshman level of understanding of a topic that requires ignorant repeating of statements that only apply in ideal setting. It is as if you read an intro to physics book and went around saying there was no friction. People don't want airplanes to be designed under ideal physics, but that is often the level of analysis done here by editors.
I can't tell you if it is malicious gaslighting to scream both sides or ignore the dangerous acts of the left. But it is pernicious.
Build your own platform. Friction doesn't justify hypocrisy.
+1
Are you seriously arguing that government deserves to tell private companies what to host on their platforms?
And then audaciously say YOU are defending freedom?
The government tells private companies what is allowed on their platforms right now.
thats BC theyre Govt platforms.
All Spy State stuff.
Is anyone so naive as to think Zuckerfuck gives away millions of dollars in computer time to every
Dick and Jane to post their pictures and life history just out of the goodness of his shrivelled- up, three size too small Grinch heart?
Not " no" but " HELL NO."
"Facialrecognitiondatabasebook" is what it is.
Funny how this is only an issue to you when it involves allowing speech you don’t like.
Yeah, pretty much every commenter here has been making these observations since March 2020. I guess it's good that the folks at Reason appear to finally be getting their heads out of Joe Biden and Anthony Fauci's asses, but for fucks sake, guys, you're supposed to be libertarian.
Gerard Baker published in the WSJ today a piece that lays it out on the table.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/biden-has-met-the-enemy-and-he-is-us-national-security-harris-jan-6-capitol-hill-riot-protest-russia-china-aghanistan-ukraine-nato-11641832907
Biden Has Met the Enemy, and He Is Us
The mistrust of political leaders that has been eroding American national cohesion for years is matched only by their apparent willingness to say and do things that justify it….So when Vice President Kamala Harris suggests, as she did last week, a sort of equivalence between last year’s Capitol riot on the one hand and Pearl Harbor and 9/11 on the other, we might give her the benefit of the doubt and put it down to a characteristic combination of historical ignorance, cheap rhetorical excess and hyperpartisan overreach. With the Biden administration’s political woes intensifying in an election year, the identification of the domestic opposition as a seditious enemy may be their last, best hope of salvaging something…. Mr. Biden seems to think that triumphing over his domestic enemies is itself the primary condition for assuring the success of America’s interests in the world. Rallying the leaders of 100 countries at his Summit for Democracy last month, he called the struggle “the defining challenge of our time” and said that democracy was in retreat in the U.S. too….. Mr. Biden isn’t primarily to blame for the fact that a third of American voters don’t think he’s a legitimate president. But he does lead a party many of whose activists don’t seem to think America’s traditional values are worth defending at home or abroad. And when his administration elevates (or reduces) its domestic opponents to the status of a foreign enemy, the only winners are the real foreign enemies.
One wonders how soon before the FBI will be raiding Baker’s office
The Ministry has been informed.
so everyones wrong but Biden.
Got it.
Yeah, it was clear from pretty much the start that controlling information and keeping people ignorant and afraid was the agenda. I just never thought so many people would fall for it or so eagerly lap it all up.
Shit, this started well before covid, it was sickeningly apparent during the neverending tantrum the left/establishment media/academe/entertainment industries had during the lead up to and trump presidency. But the signs were clear enough before: 'Cause, like, when you start learning about systems, everything is sexist, everything is racist, everything is homophobic, and you have to point it all out to everyone all the time.' The rot was present in academe and media well before this dimwit and social 'justice' slimed their way into the left's consciousness.
From what I can see, the libertarian position on this issue is: It's fine if government outsources truth definition to private entities like Google, Facebook, Twitter and news media.
Wrong. I am the one true and perfect libertarian and that's a load of shit.
And TRUTH Social.
Is the CIA going to be running that too, Mike?
It not up to the government to define truth, except for a jury in court cases. Private compnies can say what the want. It's the responsibility of the individual to discern truth.
It shouldn't be the job of private companies to promulgate what the government likes and block what the government does not like.
But they do it.
They love it.
Fake news.
Triggered lefty, take 5.
And HERE is the REAL news! (Drum roll....)
https://www.newsweek.com/birds-arent-real-leader-says-chaotic-morning-news-interview-was-hit-job-1666808
'Birds Aren't Real' Leader Says Chaotic Morning News Interview Was 'Hit Job'
(Pull the shades on your dwelling, quickly now! NEVER let the wild "birds" watch what you are doing!!!)
It's creepy to respond to yourself in a different voice, sarc.
“Creepy” is his brand.
Does that mean it is dangerous to have political influence over major avenues of information sharing? Say when the DNC or Whitehouse call businesses to remove content in a coordinated manner across multiple platforms? When the same agencies also provide said companies billions in dollars?
Work it out reason. I think you are almost there.
They don’t want to get there. Just can’t point out what is already known.
I actually remember an article on reason discussing how venezuelas use of broadcast licenses was bad. They would only grant them to friendly media. And reason was critical. But here when it favors their in group? Justifications to not criticize it.
I wish more people had their eyes open like this.
The entire drive behind "Internet Neutrality" is control. The progtards don't want the free and open internet that revolutionized commerce and information access.
They want the FTC to control it and limit what you can see and do and tax the shit out of you when you see and do what they tell you to see and do.
That is the dumbest fucking thing I've heard and clearly shows you don't understand the entire premise behind net neutrality you fucking dumbass.
The entire thing can hinge on Comcast giving you Xfinity for free whereas they can upcharge to carry Netflix to your house. Thus they're using their market dominance to further crush competitors.
Are you that fucking daft to not put that kind of thing together? Are you so "libertarian" that you're going to argue against actual free markets?
The entire thing can hinge on Comcast giving you Xfinity for free whereas they can upcharge to carry Netflix to your house. Thus they're using their market dominance to further crush competitors.
Except that this is not in fact happening.
their market dominance
Cite needed.
In fact the internet providers are in a dog-eat-dog battle for my account. Apparently you must live in East Snowshoe Alaska.
You mad, bruh?
If you don't understand how government fuckery works, maybe asking questions is a better path than irate replies.
FYI - a free market would allow you to do business with whichever provider you like. The garbage labeled as "net neutrality" didn't remove geographic monopolies but simply enabled 300 pages of government regs for the FTC to use as a cudgel against anyone in the game.
But sure, Comcast.
Or how about government paying $25K per employee for 'local newspapers'. Once the employees are effectively being paid by government, certainly there is the potential for quid pro quo type of concerns, where government may use the power of that money to control those lucky "journalists" and there may be increased hesitancy on the part of those "journalists" to question the government that is providing their paycheck?
"President Joe Biden’s $1.85 trillion social spending bill includes a provision that, if it becomes law, would mark the first time the federal government has offered targeted support in response to the decline of local news.
"The help would come in the form of a payroll tax credit for companies that employ eligible local journalists. The measure would allow newspapers, digital news outlets, and radio and television stations to claim a tax credit of $25,000 the first year and $15,000 the next four years for up to 1,500 journalists.
At least the NY Post gets it right: https://nypost.com/2021/11/25/build-back-better-federal-journalism-handouts-a-blow-to-free-press/
government paying $25K per employee for 'local newspapers'
They can use the threat of cutting these papers off of the government teat. Imagine you have 20 staff members and that $500k is what makes your paper survive. Yep, Uncle Joe gonna drive your bus.
I remember another Uncle Joe.....
Simon spoke after the release of a CPJ report warning of escalating attacks on journalists, demonstrating that the stakes for those who offend government officials are very high
Did Simon speak about friendly news outlets Ike CNN and NYC who go after private individuals for saying something online they considered misinformation?
So in this entire article not one mention of the raids on project veritas?
Local news
Do you mean the raid where the only people who knew about it immediately were the feds that participated in the raid, but somehow it was leaked to the New York Times?
Funny how information that could potentially disparage an enemy of the state was purposefully leaked to the NYT and they gladly ran it.
And it included privileged communication which the FBI has to segregate from collected material.
Yeah, but that isn't "real journalism"... So no worries!
Robbie S is against Project Veritas for suing the NYT. It is anti- journalism - a threat to press freedom.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovyHZrzxzzI&t=340s
Not quite my take on this.
Cocktail parties corrupt people.
I like Robby, but that was a bad take.
Would make a lot more sense to sue the FBI. But that probably doesn't get anywhere.
News outlets should be sued when they lie, early and often. That is THE mechanism to keep them honest. Without the private lawsuit, all you have left is government control. If the media is allowed to print slanderous and libelous lies about people, because suing them is "anti-journalism", then people who don't buy ink by the barrel (or server and bandwidth space by the petabyte) are at the mercy of their whims.
Donald Trump believed that the media/press did not deserve the protection the courts have given them from lawsuits, for lying.
It is a big reason why the media was so against Trump and any supporters of him, that would vote to keep him in office.
What a joke. Reason is only critical of Democrats. AOC and Psaki with no mention of Trump. Where is the equal time to Republicans? Fucking conservative rag. I bet the entire staff voted for Trump.
Lol so broken
He really is. Why he threw his hat in with a pedophile.
Funny that you say that after praising someone like Trump.
Your projection is showing.
Trump is a womanizer, not a pedophile. He kicked Epstein off his properties while Clinton had frequent flyer miles.
Meanwhile, Joe took showers with his uncomfortable teenage daughter and Hunter straight up fucked his underage niece.
But sure, keep carrying water.
Go to the nearest QAnon, you will fit in fabulously if you believe The Walking Dead is a documentary.
That makes no sense. Just admit you and your kind are evil. I might have a little bit of respect for you if you were just honest about your evil.
It's called sarcasm, dumbass.
Lol triggered on top. So broken. 😀
He yells sarcasm whenever he gets called out on his stupidity. It is amazing.
I love sarcasm, he's not capable of it, however.
One time you can claim sarcasm. Continuing with the same idiocy thread after thread for months when being called out on it by everyone, no longer sarcasm.
Do you even knownwhat sarcasm is?
It was actually a pretty good counter-snark use of sarcasm....
Except....
It does make prominent mention of Trump. So fail. And it is Trump calling people out for lying about him.... Which is the opposite of blocking people from telling uncomfortable truths. So double fail.
Still... Sarcasm is on brand. Unfortunately, so is being completely wrong from every angle. (Which is me going slightly ad homenem... Which is off brand. So full circle of "subverting expectations", which is totally what the new millennium is all about...)
Pretty good analysis below. The need to make stuff up very desperately is what caused me to call him broken.
The only thing that's broken is your pussy-ass caliber. Real men use .308.
You know nothing about guns. You've admitted that.
And ideas!
Lol so broken and triggered and vulnerable. 😀 And nobody would waste a .308 on wimp game. Fragile wimp game like you, for example.
Um, ok. Whatever you say, dear.
If you knew anything about guns, you would know that .308 has a set of applications that is different from 5.56. The latter is more suitable to defend a country against socialistic wimps. If necessary.
Kyle proved the efficacy of 5.56 on degenerate targets.
Kyle gave the 5.56 a shot in the arm.
They only mention Trump once while calling out Democrats twice. Hardly balanced, and totally biased in favor of the GOP.
Still not sarcasm.
Do you think Trump still president, sarc?
Can you explain how using this strawman over and over helps you in any way after Overt explained to you your ignorance about this strawman?
That explanation was all of yesterday btw.
Link.
Kind of starts here.
https://reason.com/2022/01/09/after-liberalism-the-deluge/?comments=true#comment-9296677
It is a few different posts.
You're not wrong. They follow the Faux News approach to a T. Just ignore most all the bullshit about Republicans.
The faux news that was first to call the election for Biden?
Never watch ‘em.
Aside from the fact that Pew consistently ranks Faux higher in truthfulness in reporting than, say, CNN and MSNBC, here's another amusing fact - your tantrum is making them money.
https://www.outkick.com/fox-news-cnn-msnbc/
It is indeed dangerous to allow the government to decide what is truth and what is disinformation or misinformation. We should leave that up to private corporations to decide. With, of course, proper government regulation and oversight to make sure they are in fact being careful not to spread disinformation or misinformation.
Now that is quality sarcasm!
Study this for the difference....
Points out a real internal contradiction... This is key.
Endorses something that is the opposite of the stated intent, but is actually occuring in huge volume. This provides the ironic content to the sarcasm.
Despite being 8 lines, it is all tightly on point.
And no need to make stuff up in order to impute motive.
I'm laughing, but crying a bit inside.
It's dangerous to allow politicians...
FTFW
My thoughts too
“Congress shall make no law.” The constitution should have stopped there.
^indeed
"I'm Joe Biden, and I approve this message".
When officialdom makes the call, legitimate news outlets get called "fake,"
I have heard from a highly-placed source familiar with the discussion that this is not true. My source's information has been confirmed by anonymous spokesmen from the White House, the Pentagon, the State Department and 17 different intelligence agencies so you can trust it.
It isnt like anyone has to dig deep to find fake news. Not sure why journalists are upset at that moniker.
Even better, we now have "independent expert" fact check organizations that will helpfully label things that are literally 100% true and accurate as "mostly false".
PolitiFact has an entire website, or did, dedicated to their "true, but other viewpoints" false ratings.
Tangentially related, I remember when Colbert would do his fake Fox news republican impression on his show with his coined phrase "truthy-ness" as what the R's were trying to pass off as the REAL truth.
And now he peddles the same exact stuff, happily, unironically, but for actual authoritarians. Another leftist with no principles other than "my team gets power"
I miss pre-TDS Colbert.
He was still a smug douchebag, but hid it better.
His jokes lacked the current edge of hysteria that really makes his veins pop.
Another leftist with no principles
other than "my team gets power"They’re paid hacks with zero principles. Guys like Colbert will be grabbing their ankles for the Chinese when the time comes, if his age doesn’t prevent him from being able to read a teleprompter by then.
At least the media in the former CCCP had guns held to their heads. The American mainstream media helps out authoritarian regimes because it’s what they’re paid to do, currently by and for the fucking democrats and their crony pals.
As in other articles like this one, the author overlooks the changes in modern society due to the internet which makes disinformation now more prevalent and potentially more lethal. As most of the posters here demonstrate, if you want to believe in an alternate reality you can meet millions of others on the internet who will confirm that reality, complete with "experts" showing how everyone else is wrong and you are right. Welcome to the 21st century.
One can hope, that like primitive islanders first exposure to modern civilization, we will become more sophisticated about all the misinformation scams and actually internalize what we all already know - being on the internet is no proof of truth and should be viewed with automatic suspicion. The only way to figure out "truth" in this environment is the same as always for humans - the reliability of the speaker by reputation or credentials, keeping in mind that a credentialed speaker who goes against what 100 of his fellow experts say may be revolutionary, or, more likely he's a nut or con man. Of course conspiracy nuts are immune from this logic as they think what most of any group says is a lie because they are on to the supposed corrupt nature of our society. How many conspirators does it take to make this vision believable. In most cases, way too many and include probably your neighbors.
Explain how disinformation is lethal.
Well, we can look at the CDC's medical guidance for the past two years as an example.
Salted, people who followed CDC recommendations are mostly protected from Covid and staying out of hospitals. Those who didn't are fueling the new case and hospitalization rates data, even in blue states like NY, and some are dying in the ICU.
Figure it out.
Completely false.
Cdc even admits cloth masks were now theater. Hospitalizations are at standard population rates between vax and unvax.
The same CDC that turns a blind eye to flies in the ointment? The same CDC that revises definitions rather than statements? The same CDC that has promulgated policies completely divorced from their own science?
Yes, Barbie Jack, I have figured out who not to trust.
https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/cdc-not-investigating-myocarditis-death-jacob-clynick-pfizer-vaccine/
Ever think you're the conspiracy theorist?
Anti-vaxx idiots believe nonsense and end up in the ICU and potentially dead. That is what is driving most of the new cases and hospitalizations, even in blue states like NY.
Other fools believe the biggest liar ever in US public life that he didn't lose an election but it was stolen from him and end up in jail or dead by way of the US Capital.
Let them die. Why give a shit?
Because being an idiot doesn't make you an overall bad person beyond redemption, or without family that might need you.
Well, I would argue in favor of letting others make their own decisions. If you authoritarians think you can force something on me under the guise of “protecting” me from myself, you can discuss that with my AR. 🙂
THATS " Freedom of the Press!"
Press
Press
Press
.More than 3 presses wastes ammo.
In this particular case, I am strongly in favor of a "binary" approach.
Again, why give a shit? People make personal choices for personal reasons. Hubris is when you force your choices onto others because you think it's wrong when they choose something other than your choice.
Is that what your wife said when she left?
{sarcasm} Yeah, a lot of abolitionists were guilty of that. {/sarcasm}
And you said this to sarc, of all people. Hah!
Being. Marxist makes you a bad person. I suggest you abandon all your beliefs and repent immediately. I’m sure you cant help being an idiot, but at least if you abandon leftist beliefs and renounce the DNC and all it’s evil works, then you don’t have to be malignant.
Bravo, you just argued in favor of letting others make their own decisions.
I always do, despite what the trolls say.
You would know this if you tried reading what I actually write instead of believing the attack trolls.
Except what you write is full of more bullshit than a third generation feedlot, so...
Are you inconsistent or just drunk?
Oh look! There's one right there!
I MADE THE LIST!
What's my ranking?
4th.
We read what you write. What you write is definitely your problem. Not us.
And then idiots like you believe CNN and Fauci.
You do you, Barbie Jack. Now fuck off.
New York Gov. Kathy Hochul released data Friday breaking down COVID-19 hospitalizations by those who were admitted due to the virus and those who were admitted for other reasons but were found to have the illness.
According to the provided statistics, in approximately 43% of hospital admissions "COVID was not included as one of the reasons for admission."
According to the same data set, a staggering 51% of COVID-19 hospitalizations in New York City were not due to COVID-19 or related symptoms. The numbers show that 3,060 patients were hospitalized for reasons other than COVID-19, while only 2,992 were admitted due to the illness.
https://news.yahoo.com/almost-half-reported-ny-covid-224337190.html
https://coronavirus.health.ny.gov/covid-19-breakthrough-data
Week of Dec 27, 2022, per 100,000:
New cases - vaccinated - 223.3 unvaccinated - 1583.1
Hospitalizations - vaccinated - 4.59 unvaccinated - 58.27
"That is what is driving most of the new cases and hospitalizations, even in blue states like NY."
Nope. What's driving the majority of the new cases and hospitalizations is the vax has no protection against the omicrom. Vaxxed and unvaxxed alike are in hospital. Like most viruses, Covid has mutated to a weaker variant. Death toll is dropping, thus the reporting of 'CASES!!' is back.
Look it up Outlaw - you're wrong.
If you responded to anyone's citations, you'd notice people already have. Even Saint Fauci has revised The Sciencism.
I know progressive talking points change quickly, but try to keep up.
https://coronavirus.health.ny.gov/covid-19-breakthrough-data
Week of Dec 27, 2022, per 100,000:
New cases - vaccinated - 223.3 unvaccinated - 1583.1
Hospitalizations - vaccinated - 4.59 unvaccinated - 58.27
With or of? Is this pre- 43% reduction in accounting or post? Are we still in the deadly dangerous lethalicious rate of about 0.05%?
Care to respond directly to any of the other numerous links citing medical professionals - including the CDC? Because the rest of the world is reluctantly opening their eyes to thr fact that they're taking a leaky prophylactic that causes more illness than it prevents.
I don't remember Zhou Bai-dung or Barry Soetero, both of whom have competed for your qualification of the biggest liar in US public life, saying they didn't lose an election.
Though both could easily be accused of stealing one each.
“One can hope, that like primitive islanders first exposure to modern civilization, we will become more sophisticated about all the misinformation scams and actually internalize what we all already know“
Didn’t know you want the democratic party to end too. Welcome aboard.
Beat me to it. +1
Statists like yourself hated the printing press too. Same arguments they used.
I don't hate the internet Jesse. I think overall it is a great advancement for civilization which allows each of us to carry a reference desk around in our pocket, a huge increase in humans' ability to share knowledge.
All advancements usually come with new problems tpo deal with and the subject today is one of them.
What problems? Not having a unified government sponsored authoritative voice that is often wrong?
Printing press started the mass education of people. The government was against it and wanted to limit it.
You've been lied to as proven in this very thread, but you want government to control discussions. Why?
I didn't say or imply any of that Jesse.
I didn't say or imply any of that Jesse.
I muted him because I got tired of typing "Great response to something I neither said nor did."
Getting spanked and sent off to your other socks, you mean.
Hey sarc muted someone but still created an opinion he didn't read.
Incapable of independent thought and action, cowardly, ignorant, stupid, strong dislike for others behaving in 'unapproved' manner or having 'unapproved' opinions. Mix and match, or all.
All advancements usually come with new problems tpo deal with
and need high priests who understand it (like you?) to protect the serfs from being abused by it.
“ Of course conspiracy nuts are immune from this logic as they think what most of any group says is a lie because they are on to the supposed corrupt nature of our society. ”
Agreed, this CRT bullcrap and other conspiracy nut-tales need to end fast. We are seeing a positive trend of bullshit-fatigue though. People will be caught up by November.
I think you meant 'spoiler.'
“The only way to figure out "truth" in this environment is the same as always for humans - the reliability of the speaker by reputation or credentials”
Actually, that’s not the only way to figure out truth.
Brian, with most technical questions beyond the ability of even smart laymen to discern, expert opinion is what we rely on.
Also, 1st person witnessing of events is another type of expertise not available to most of us and that's where real news organizations which have "desks" around the world with actual journalists covering events have something opinion makers - those are the guys who read the 1st person accounts and then tell us what to think - don't have.
Once you answer the question, “so how do we establish the reliability of a speaker?”, you’ll know other ways of finding out what is true.
Government is often not the expert opinions. In fact we have knowledge that Fauci and others tried killing actual expert opinion as it disagreed with government opinion.
expert opinion is what we rely on.
Who's we?
He’s revealing his own thought processes, rather than the nature of truth.
Brian, division of labor is another trick humans have developed to be successful on earth, and I'm surprised you don't acknowledge that. From technological advancement to servicing technology you and I would be lost if not for the experts performing those functions for us at a cost. You are probably an expert of some sort as am I.
Thing is, once someone goes and works for government they change. I've seen it firsthand. Power goes to their head. Instead of sharing ideas they make pronouncements. There will be no debate because they are right, and they have the might of government backing them up so fuck you if you disagree.
As someone who had 2 close relatives "working for the government", your blanket assessment is BS. They both worked for the government on salaries lower than equivalent private businesses, for long hours with no OT, and with fierce dedication. They both chose the jobs because the nature of the work was important and interesting compared to private options - one in medical research (with some clinical work) and the other as a federal prosecutor on violent crimes and gangs.
Stereotyping people based on petty resentments is crazy. With some exceptions, people want to please their boss and/or their clients regardless of their pay and job security and so the old "those who can't do teach" and "good enough for government work" bely the ignorance and prejudice of many working private jobs who of course want to convince themselves of their superiority.
I was with you until you accused me of petty resentments.
Did you know them before they worked for government? I was talking about how people, plural, I've known whose personalities changed once they became part of government.
My work overlaps with government. I've had many a coworker leave to fill a government vacancy after someone retired. Without fail they all become complete and total assholes. At least compared to the reasonable people they were before whatever they said was backed up with violence.
Yes, I knew them before and after.
Maybe we had different experiences. Or maybe you're way more trusting of government than I am.
Man. You even play victim against your allies. Just pathetic.
As someone who had 2 close relatives "working for the government", your blanket assessment is BS.
I have it on good authority that the US Government is irremediably racist and evil and populated by white supremacists who want to piss in those most vulnerable amongst us' cornflakes.
I believe this because every thing else is The Big Lie.
PS in twenty years active duty, twenty years army contractor... There's ones climbing the ladder and the rest slacking off trying to get to twenty before getting the boot. Well, everyone except me and my relatives were, that is. WE were dedicated and selfless.
Yes, but when an expert, someone with a reputation, and credentials makes a statement that implies predictions about both the future and the past, I expect the future and the past to be consistent with those statements.
When an expert repeatedly fails to make statements consistent with the past, and when their predictions fail to materialize, or the opposite materializes, they're not speaking the truth, no matter what their reputation is or their credentials.
For example: Paul Krugman.
You are probably an expert of some sort as am I.
Thank you for the enlightenment!
You, like so many of your lefty brethren, clearly fail to see any difference between actual expertise and mere specialization. I can understand, considering the fragility of your egos. It certainly explains why you give so much deference to 'experts' who clearly have no fucking idea what they are talking about.
Here is a hint, real expert advice does not change over time. If the advice changes, then they were decisively not experts on the subject. Get it?
It's unaware of its susceptibility to a type of fallacy of appeal to authority on a personal level. It's pretty common on the left-leaning types, they seem to be educated this way, then the news they consume bombards them w/ indoctrination, the same message.
Brian, with most technical questions beyond the ability of even smart laymen to discern, expert opinion is what we rely on.
Yet you still need to apply some common sense to keep yourself from being bamboozled by experts who abuse their power and lie to people.
Fauci is a great example of an expert who relies on people not applying common sense to his bullshit, giving him immense power which he cheerfully abuses on a daily basis.
Fauci is a long term public spokesman with the skills necessary to stay there into his 80's and not get fired by Trump or Biden and that's not easy. If you recall he walked on ice trying to not cross up Trump in his many ignorant and reprehensible comments during the pandemic. He's on a tightrope and will not say anything too out there. I don;t care about him one way or the other.
Fauci is an arrogant prick with too much power who needs to be laughed at and shamed. All he's good for is justifying power grabs by politicians in the name of the pandemic.
sarcasmic, the fallacy of your premise is that no elected politician wants to tell constituents to do things they don't want to do, especially if they will negatively impact the economy. Both Biden and the CDC announced last April that they recommended vaccinated people would no longer need to wear masks except when in close quarters with unknown people. If as you pretend they relished telling people to lock up and wear masks - a ridiculous proposition - why would they have eagerly and early rescinded restrictive recommendations?
They loved the control, regardless of actual efficacy. They didn’t like the polling numbers and pushback that followed.
What would they love about "the control" Chumby, and even if they did, as you point out politicians don't like doing things that make them unpopular, like controlling people.
It doesn't add up even though you all repeat it as gospel all the time.
The control part.
My problem with Fauci is that he flips and flops like a fish out of water, and nothing he says is based on any actual science. He's a politician. A bureaucrat. His words are worthless.
Sarcasmic is arguing with Joe the same way people argue with his idiocy lol.
"with most technical questions beyond the ability of even smart laymen to discern, expert opinion is what we rely on."
Classic elitist. how DARE we all evaluate the data for ourselves. our enlightened clergy will inform us of what to think...
Actually, that’s not the only way to figure out truth.
It's not even a very good way to figure out the truth in any environment. Maybe OK to figure out if any given person or persons are lying, but not figuring out the truth. "I don't know about that." is an honest answer that doesn't necessarily provide any truthful incite to the question asked.
Truth is found by going back to the source, not having it manipulated by the Manure Spreading Gobbels Media...
Yeah, like, because of the internet, some people believe that Donald Trump was working with Russia to subvert the election in 2016.
https://theintercept.com/2019/01/20/beyond-buzzfeed-the-10-worst-most-embarrassing-u-s-media-failures-on-the-trumprussia-story/
,.......
On June 12, 2017, Fortune claimed that RT had hacked into and taken over C-SPAN and that C-SPAN “confirmed” it had been hacked. The whole story was false:
........
On December 30, 2016, the Washington Post reported that “Russian hackers penetrated the U.S. electricity grid through a utility in Vermont,”
This one was great because a.) Not Russia and b.) Not the electric grid
.............
On November 24, 2016, the Washington Post published one of the most inflammatory, sensationalistic stories to date about Russian infiltration into U.S. politics using social media, accusing “more than 200 websites” of being “routine peddlers of Russian propaganda during the election season, with combined audiences of at least 15 million Americans.” It added: “stories planted or promoted by the disinformation campaign [on Facebook] were viewed more than 213 million times.”
Unfortunately for the paper, those statistics were provided by a new, anonymous group that reached these conclusions by classifying long-time, well-known sites – f"
Skipping to the end... The researchers disavowed the article and the conclusions and the new anonymous group. Oops. Except the story did make all the major news outlets for a few days.
........
On June 22, 2017, CNN reported that Trump aide Anthony Scaramucci was involved with the Russian Direct Investment Fund, under Senate investigation. He was not.
.........
On November 27, 2018, the Guardian published a major “bombshell” that Trump campaign manager Paul Manafort had somehow managed to sneak inside one of the world’s most surveilled buildings, the Ecuadorian Embassy in London, and visit Julian Assange on three different occasions.
Fast forward to the end.... They never had any evidence and it didn't happen.. they just made it up.
...........
On July 27, 2018, CNN published a blockbuster story: that Michael Cohen was prepared to tell Robert Mueller that President Trump knew in advanced about the Trump Tower meeting. There were, however, two problems with this story: first, CNN got caught blatantly lying when its reporters claimed that “contacted by CNN, one of Cohen’s attorneys, Lanny Davis, declined to comment” (in fact, Davis was one of CNN’s key sources, if not its only source, for this story), and second, numerous other outlets retracted the story after the source, Davis, admitted it was a lie. CNN, however, to this date has refused to do either:
Knowingly publishing lies about someone... Is there a word for that?
.,......
The morning of December 9, 2017, launched one of the most humiliating spectacles in the history of the U.S. media. With a tone so grave and bombastic that it is impossible to overstate, CNN went on the air and announced a major exclusive: Donald Trump, Jr. was offered by email advanced access to the trove of DNC and Podesta emails published by WikiLeaks – meaning before those emails were made public. Within an hour, MSNBC’s Ken Dilanian, using a tone somehow even more unhinged, purported to have “independently confirmed” this mammoth, blockbuster scoop, which, they said, would have been the smoking gun showing collusion between the Trump campaign and WikiLeaks over the hacked emails (while the YouTube clips have been removed, you can still watch one of the amazing MSNBC videos here).
There was, alas, just one small problem with this massive, blockbuster story: it was totally and completely false.
,.............
There is oh, so much more. But you kinda get the point.
And of course there is the correllary fake news of burying a real story and calling it fake news.
Like Biden bragging about how he was on the take from Ukrainian Oil companies and the corroboration from co-conspirators and information from his son's laptop. Apparently having a candidate for president on the take from Russian Oligarchs is not actually newsworthy, or something.
Or the story of Clinton visiting Epstein's island double digit numbers of times (yet somehow a quick photo with Trump, who disavowed the dude and kicked him out of his club, gets plenty of coverage).
So.... Internet bad because it allows fake news, but these are examples where real news was fake on very important stories, and the internet is real on stories that are blocked.
But sure... Alex Jones said something wacky and gross, so Truth Commissions it is....
No, we know that Cyto because of the Mueller Report and the GOP led Senate Intel Comm Report on the 2016 election.
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/7039362-Senate-Intelligence-Committee-Russia
Instead of expecting others to do your research for you and read the bullshit you link, you need to start quoting the “supporting” passages and tell us where to find them in the linked document. You probably never went to college, but they teach you to do that.
5.56, I've done that several times here and on this very report, but the format the link provides does not allow cut and paste. Start on page 7 where Putin's intent to damage Hillary and help Trump and Assange's acting as a Russian tool are both discussed. Details follow in later pages, but there is a table of contents to guide you.
does not allow cut and paste
you seem to take your position and posting as being serious and important... Have you considered hand typing the passages if you are incapable of bending your computer to your will?
PS Greenwald is a good buddy and fellow traveler with Assange. Neither has ever released or reported anything critical of Russia or Trump.
Do the math.
Excuse me, but what method of truth finding is that?
“I’ve never heard him slam someone I hate. Must be wrong about everything!”
Oh, teach us your wisdom.
Indeed Brian, given how faultless Putin is, one accepts Assange's lack of any record of releasing Russian secrets as just respect between 2 well meaning warriors for truth and fairness.
Cough....cough...
There's room in this world for people who are willing to point out the abuses of power by those you tend to ignore.
They're not wrong just because they're not dogpiling with you on top of your favorite enemies.
There's only so much time in this world, and they can't cover everything.
Joe Friday, division of labor is another trick humans have developed to be successful on earth, and I'm surprised you don't acknowledge that.
Cough... cough...
Brian, your affinity for those with ill-intent toward the US is duly noted.
Your unwillingness to tolerate anyone with information you don’t like is noted.
what method of truth finding is that?
If it wasn't for logical fallacy, JF would have no arguments at all.
We'll just avoid comment on all the false stories and just post baseless statements about who may have hit the 'like' button on a facebook comment.
The Mueller report that stated no collusion? Okay. Tell us which parts you think are concerning.
Jesse, the report did not say that. Collusion is not a legal term and Mueller specifically and conservatively limited his investigation into legal issues.
"Mueller specifically and conservatively limited his investigation into legal issues."
Those goal posts shifted fast, didn't they?
Progressives went from predicting Trump's jail sentence to "oh, look! Unseemly!", and it only took 5 years.
Joe is a steaming pile of progressive shit.
Chumby's idea of a compelling argument, dosed with the graphic copraphilia so many on this site mysteriously exhibit.
I feel your pain, loser.
I don't. Slimy, stinking piles of shit like that ought to suffer without company.
Joe needs to be fucked with a rusty garden implement.
Brian, your affinity for those who sided publicly and secretly with those with ill-intent toward the US is duly noted.
I have accused Joe of being the FBI before. Good to see him taking ownership of it.
Collusion is in fact a legal term retard.
You do know that now that everything has come out publicly, including discovery from cases that were made from the Mueller investigation, the entire thing was fake, right? Like from the jump everyone involved knew it was fake. Obama knew it was fake from before the first subpoena was issued. How do you not know this ?
They went to Obama and told him that Hillary Clinton was going to base her negative campaign against Trump on Russia collusion. So the Obama administration went into action to support this.
The very next day they began their campaign against Trump by turning a known CIA informant into a suspected Russian agent so they could get a warrant. None of this is speculation anymore. I mean, you had to be a freaking moron to not understand that the entire thing was full of crap by the summer of 2017, but there were a lot of willful morons running around at the time so I suppose one could be forgiven .
But now? The whole thing is out in public. Pretending that 38 million dollars worth of Meuller investigation got you anything more than 38 million dollars worth of horse manure attempting to smear political opponents is silly. The stated goal before they even started it was to get Trump impeached. They even bragged about it in the New York Times right after the inauguration.
What is wrong with people? I mean, it's one thing to be willfully devoted to a misinformation campaign when you don't know any better. But we know better now. All of the players have been outed. The timeline is out there. They can't even pretend that they were acting in good faith, even though that was shaky to begin with, because now we know they were told up front that everything was fake.
Joe you have a lot of time to respond for being a contractor, I wonder if there's some truth issues going on with you?
You're right MT and I should be concentrating more on my work, but as boss no one can tell me too as long as none of my clients are angry.
See how he has to put some emphasis on being a “boss”. 😀 Well, I do believe you are an old man though.
I've been around the block 5.56, but I can still take you, you young whipper-snapper!
Lol well that was kinda funny.
Somehow I see a noodle wrist instead, Barbie Jack.
none of my clients are angry
^ not a contractor.
Truth.
Maybe Joes A Swift Boat Captain?
Prostitutes are " contractors!"
"Propaganda is the dissemination of information to influence or control large groups of people. In totalitarian regimes like Nazi Germany, propaganda plays a significant role in consolidating power in the hands of the controlling party.
Shortly after rising to power in 1933, Adolf Hitler created the Reich Ministry of Public Enlightenment and Propaganda (RMVP), headed by Joseph Goebbels. Nearly all aspects of German culture were subject to the Propaganda Ministry's control, including films, theater, music, the press, and radio broadcasts. Given tremendous leeway by Hitler, and utilizing modern techniques and technologies, Goebbels quickly set out an ambitious agenda to indoctrinate the German people in Nazi ideology and to influence the behavior of the entire society."
https://www.ushmm.org/collections/bibliography/nazi-propaganda-1
der CNN...
Clinton News Network.
Wow, you really are pathetic. While some of that may be true to some extent, it's still incredibly dangerous to give government any authority to determine what is truth or "misinformation".
You mean the disinformation scams like Dan Rather's, Katie Couric's, NBC News, Brian Williams, Brian Ross's, Walter Cronkite's, 20/20's, CNN's Peter Arnett and Walter Duranty's?
Most of those scams were caught by people on the internet as would be the case with anyone else posting disinformation.
Sooo...What is the solution? Blame Al Gore for inventing the Internet? Have a Gummint "Reality Czar" when Government has the worst relationship to Truth of anybody? The same Gummint that got us embroiled in Southeast Asia over The Gulf of Tonkin Incident? Who got us into Iraq over bogus "intelligence" over "weapons of mass destruction??" Who gave us a Food Pyramid in the Nineties that prescribed 6-10 servings of bread a day??? Who can't even get it right over fucking COVID-19 origins or masks or sanitizer or how to deal????
"Just the facts, Ma'am!"
This is one of the interesting article I found on this site. The topic clearly depicts the theme. The elected politicians think themselves of different standard during their tenure.
Creative spambot.
They write as though they are in freshman English composition. It's a dead give away.
Because everyone else skipped the class entirely in favor of creative vernacular?
Absolutely dangerous to repress truth to further political agendas. That kind of anti-science gets people killed.
https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/cdc-not-investigating-myocarditis-death-jacob-clynick-pfizer-vaccine/
Just like voter fraud doesn't exist if you simply don't look for it. Adverse reactions don't exist if you refuse to look for it.
But there's no concrete evidence (left), c'mon guys!
Trump's own committee folded up without developing any proof of voter fraud in 2017, and of course same with his allegations about the 2020 election.
As someone who cares deeply about democracy, I want proof elections are valid, not lack of evidence that there was fraud.
I’m paying a high percentage of my income every year for this gig. It’s the least they could do.
Demotards hang onto their " no it isnt" meme at all costs.
" no evidence of" despite the fact the main sleaze media reported that Bitemes campaign manager in TX got caught at it.
Denial without proof. Its all they have.
why theres the Poster Moron for Denial...
Mike
Get your hands out of your pants or youll go blind.
You do have proof. Several audits/recounts were done in Georgia, for example, confirming the election was not fraudulent.
That’s a systemic failure: you can’t prove an election is valid by recounting fraudulent votes.
If you expect the same count with the fraud as without, the count proves nothing.
A lack of proof and cases being thrown out of court is proof that the conspiracy is real!
It's a lack of proof that your election is valid.
We all had the same election. It was as much yours as mine. More yours than mine because I don't vote anymore.
What you are asking is for me to prove a negative.
"Prove there was no fraud!" Um, ok. There is no evidence of fraud and every case has been thrown out of court. "What about the evidence they haven't found yet, huh? That's proof right there!"
Yes, I'm asking for a systemic solution to the problem that no one can prove elections are valid.
We can do banking, we can do bitcoin, but we can't do an election.
Fix it.
Put voting on the internet. Make it national, uniform standards. I'm glad we're on the same page.
I think so. And make every vote a public record.
You think someone voted twice? Let's look it up.
You think dead people are voting? Look it up.
You think someone's voting for you? Look it up.
I'm all for it.
That's already the case, though the information you can access differs by state. Look at all the common ground. National voting standards and universal online voting. Let's take it to Congress.
If those national standards include every vote being a public record, I'm in.
As in, I want to be able to look up my own vote in every election and validate it was entered correctly for the right candidate.
And I want to look anyone else up, too.
So you want to do away with the secret ballot?
Definitely. Or how else can I look up my vote to see if it was counted correctly?
So you want to eliminate a basic aspect of political privacy in order to solve a problem that is not known to actually exist except in the fever dreams of Donald Trump. Yum, freedom.
If 51% of the people wanna force me to do whatever they want at gunpoint, they can at least let me know who they are.
The problem is the secret ballot... once it is consolidated into the precinct there is no way to prove that YOUR vote was in the final tally.
Incorrect.
We had 51 elections, the results of which were later combined to declare a national winner.
My election was in Florida, and was well run with honest counting. But next door, Georgia's election was a corrupt shitshow which saw them do things like make up stories about "water main breaks" so they could send the press and observers home while partisans ran enough ballots for Biden to overcome Trump's lead in the middle of the night
Heads Trump wins, tails Biden loses.
You can comfort yourself with the knowledge that Biden indisputably received millions of more votes than the other guy, which is more than can be said for Bush or Trump.
There has never been an audit in Georgia. They were promised twice, but never happened.
They are finally promising an audit including chain of custody and signature matches on mail ballots.
Here is the secret: any audit of the signature matches would have thrown the election into doubt. Why? Because signature matches always toss out several percent. As much as a third, but almost always more than 5-10%.
So even if the entire thing was above board, a true audit would have created chaos. All 5 swing states would have been in doubt.
Ga admitted to thousands of double biting cases. They refused to prosecute. They just opened an investigation to illegal ballot harvesting.
How fucking dumb are you?
Crimes are the things that have to be proven, Brian. There are two sides in an election. Which sides gets to win by default until the authorities have proven to your satisfaction that the election was fair?
I think you understand that he is talking about simple security measures, like chain of custody on ballots, verification of who the person actually is who is casting the vote..... You know. Simple things. The things that we have always done in elections. The things that we require around the world when we send people to monitor elections.
All of those things were in place in 2020, with an extra layer of multiple audits forced by Trump cultists.
No they were not. Lying….again
Since I didn't mention crimes, your reply is irrelevant.
I don't want "crime free elections."
I want provenly valid elections. The same way we do banking, and bitcoin, and a hundred other things.
If you're going to run the free world on these outcomes, they should be provable and demonstrable.
Elections have been happening for centuries, and all of a sudden there's a reason to be suspicious?
Yeah, there's a reason to be suspicious. An orange con man is still lying about the outcome, and various Trump voters have been caught double voting.
When power is involved, there's always a reason to be suspicious.
Don't you know your critical theory? How the only thing that matters is power struggles?
If you really believe that, then the idea that centuries of elections have been A-OK makes perfect sense because...why?
They haven't. I can name two presidential elections in my lifetime that are highly suspicious.
But everyone knows you aren't popping in here to talk about the totally random subject of shaky election procedures in America.
Yes, I'm talking about systemic issues with democracy in general.
If the 50.01% of the country is going to tell the other 49.99% to go fuck itself as long as a vote comes out a certain way, then we all should be sure it came out that way, at least.
There has always been reason to be suspicious. This is not a new thing. People have been talking about it for ages. Now we have the technology to make it all much more open and public.
As someone who cares deeply about democracy, I want proof elections are valid
Yes. We need a fully auditable with chain of custody trace for every vote. Only then will the election results be proven valid. Few states have this.
We know there is voter fraud, there are actual convictions dummy.
Ga and Az both found thousands of double votes, they simply declined to pursue.
How do you claim no voter fraud exists despite actual evidence?
I will say the same thing to people still crying about Bernie losing the 2016 primary... if you are still this emotionally invested in losing an election, you are in a cult.
Normal, healthy people get over losing an election the next morning, at the latest.
But we do know for an ironclad fact that the DNC fixed the 2016 primary. Their own internal emails reveal this. The head of the DNC even had to resign over it and everything. So... I'm not sure what the "get over it" angle is....
Every time you sad cultists insist that an election was fraudulent, you shit all over the votes and preferences of a majority of the voters in that election.
More people wanted Hillary, and more people wanted Biden. It's just the facts. Sorry that upsets you. Grow the fuck up. This is no world for the fragile.
Idiot autist did not read the post Cyto. He just wanted to say autist idiot things with no substance
“This is no world for the fragile.”
Lol. It doesn’t get any more fragile than wailing “people will die” because of a stand up comedian.
Be afraid tony. Be very afraid.
"Normal, healthy people get over losing an election the next morning, at the latest."
Then I guess democrats are insane given 2016-2021.
They still fully believe that the Democrat supervisor of elections in Palm Beach County Florida who promised to keep counting until Gore won actually rigged the election for Bush.
They also believe that even though democrat officials instituted 2 illegal (as in, not in accordance with state law) recounts that both showed Holes losing, A third recount using a different method would have done the trick, even though a media and academia coalition created to prove that Gore won did a post selection recount that showed Bush increase his lead by some 10,000 votes.
the ones that died just didnt believe enough.
It IS, after all, settled science and they
" believe" its correct.
Germans didnt " believe" mass murder was going on under their noses despite seeing the smoke from the chimneys.
Any time someone says science is settled, I want to punch them in the kidney.
god bless you.
It's Dangerous to Allow Politicians and Officials to Decide What Constitutes 'Truth'
Well then just let Good Samaritans decide what constitutes truth, duh! Then the government can pass all kinds of laws dictating who is and who isn't a Good Samaritan without, in any way, abridging free speech.
"NGO"
Corrupted Corruption.
"Truthful information doesn't require a government seal of approval because government officials are as flawed and biased as anybody else. "
No, more so. They are daily immersed in pressure to go corrupt.
" Absolute power corrupts absolutely" is not a MO availiable to Joe or Jane Line Worker.
Proof of absolute corruption is not in Govts control, but in them using Corporations to do so. F-book and Twit are obviously Govt spy corps being used to sift thru data for spying.
They are unaccountable just like out of control govt.
And when the lie, they KEEP lying:
Steele dossier
"Insurrection"
etc.
This is the tendency of the habitual liar. The need to, and the cycle of telling ever-larger lies as, in this case, older lies lose the public's attention. The DNC does not care about people, constituents, they care about power, money, and retaining power and the ability to make money. They will do whatever it takes to insure they remain in power. Outlandish, dishonest claims, preposterous lies, inflammatory untruthful rhetoric, these have been par for the course for quite some time.
The limit should be the same as with the Second Amendement: You are free to bear arms, but you are not free to use those arms to harm others. Likewise the press is free to print whatever drivel they want, but they should not be free to print harmful information.
As a libertarian this is of course on very thin ice here. We need more limits on that. There has to be actual harm or the threat of actual harm. Doxing for example should not be allowed by the press. Deliberate medical misinformation should not be allowed by the press. Not just anti-vaxxers, but those idiots who promote bleach and other "cures".
This does NOT mean the government gets to decide the truth, or even a jury. But the jury does get to decide if there was harm. Civil torts should be the response to harmful fake news, and the bar for criminal action should be high.
The press should not shield people from what would otherwise be illegal.
Deliberate medical misinformation should not be allowed by the press.
That gets onto some pretty thin ice too. First of all, how do you prove it's deliberate?
And people are allowed to believe in alternative medicine, homeopathy, and whatever other wacky medical shit they want. Should all of that just be banned? I don't see how that can work with the 1st. Outside of fraud and libel/slander. Getting into the realm of misinformation is just not going to work. People need to take a little responsibility for themselves and what they believe. If someone tells you to drink bleach (which Trump did not do BTW, and sufficiently diluted bleach is a good oral disinfectant) and you go and do it, that's on you.
Some people die from common aspiring. Medicine isn't black and white. There are statistical bad outcomes with almost everything.
So anyone can shoot you for your incorrect statements about the coof?
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
Fuck off, progshit.
Likewise the press is free to print whatever drivel they want, but they should not be free to print harmful information.
The National Enquirer amused and informed a couple of generations of Americans without deleterious effect. Why do you feel it necessary to protect people from themselves?
no sevo, no one wants any size Fries with anything.
The only science that has been followed by the Biden Administration is the political science.
how did Jen Psaki get so sexy?
shes looking like a mile of bad road.
Bidens probably ' hittin' on that, dude'
I think you meant psexy.
Only if you're really pdesperate.
I agree. It is dangerous to trust the government with the truth. But I would like to see Reason come to grips with the fact that the world is full of billionaires who are also actively trying to manage our epistemic landscape. It's not just the government we distrust. Like it or not but free markets create large pools of wealth that will be just as desirous of controlling your minds as the government. I dare say that the distrust we have of government is at root our distrust of the wealthy because they are manipulating the government and using it as a puppet.
^this is absolutely true
word
Funny... They handled another angle of this on The 5th Column. They had an NYT writer as guest, and they were discussing the writings of "Democracy is under attack" partisans. One writer was talking about a Trump plan to target local elections boards as a new and dangerous attack on democracy that has never happened.
I was astonished... But Moynahan stepped in and reminded the panel that Soros spent hundreds of millions targeting secretary of state races after 2000 for that very purpose.
Of course, nobody mentioned the last 6 years, or Zuckerberg spending a few hundred million specifically on election supervisors and getting laws and rules changed behind the scenes and away from elected representatives, specifically to aid Democrats.
We're in a post truth society. This is what the internet has brought us. We can live in our own little bubble and pretend the world doesn't exist. Just look at your own article, you conflated the Justice Dept investigating people making threats to government officials with parents simply opposing school policies, which is clearly not true, but you had an agenda and you pushed it. What I find distressing about much of the public discourse these days is it sounds like arguments coming from a 12 year old. Hyperbolic and provocative, designed to garner an emotional response rather than solve problems.
repeating those lies from 3 weeks ago?
Fail.
The federal justice department investigating happenings at local school board meetings is disturbing and inappropriate in any case.
Duh, does this even have to be said?
"Truthful information doesn't require a government seal of approval because government officials are as flawed and biased as anybody else."
Um, more.
Way more.
A wholleeeee lot more.
People who seek to govern others are the worst kind of people. Government naturally attracts awful people.
Thats why the Founders designed our system to be OF, BY AND FOR...
Which it aint now.
Psaki’s psychotic psocialism psucks
P on her.
Jen Goebbels.
She plays hacky psaki with the truth.
Psaki's pfibs purely pout of patriotism.
I wouldnt Piss on Pher if Pshe was on Pfire.
Shes the makins' of the Spawn of Hillary Clinton.
That psmacks of psedition!
(My pspell check HATES me right now btw)
>>We really are in an existential battle over who controls information
Crease truly was Sidney Poitier's finest role.
"It's Dangerous to Allow Politicians and Officials to Decide What Constitutes 'Truth'
Spoken like a true prole. From the perspective of the powerful elite, it's even more dangerous to allow the proles to make those decisions. In other words, mistrust is a two way street.
As one would expect, the socialist is piping up in defense of the powerful and 'elite's' abuses. Communist states have not been a shining example of fair and impartial handling of facts they did not want known, sophist.
Not defending anyone. I'm pointing out that mistrust is a two way street, something the author and the commenters have all failed to do. It's on you if this has offended you. I really don't care about your feelings, to be truthful.
80% of the people here say things that are not true on a constant basis, gleaned from their favorite corners of the bullshit internet. It takes hard work to filter out all the confirmation bias and rationalizations and get to the facts (thought not that hard). So while governments ought not to arbitrate truth, we've never had to deal with an internet before. There's always been some authority.
Sometimes that authority was the church, and that was obviously bad. It's obviously bad when it's the government (though media standards and government-funded news have been around for a while and have not resulted in dystopian hellholes). But we don't have Walter Cronkite to distill the world into a single authoritative voice, with fringe cult beliefs staying where they belong, on the fringe.
It's certainly one of the stickiest situations that technology has made for us. The "let the market decide" approach is obviously not working at all.
Not coincidentally, 80% of the people here are sock puppets of Mary/Tony/pickYourDNCpropagandist.
Especially when your favorite Supreme Court Justice just starts throwing in her own bullshit in the middle of a hearing on behalf of the government.
The free market is the worst way to decide free speech, except for all the others.
There is no problem of free speech in this country. There is a problem of propaganda, which is a tool of war more powerful than any firearm.
And government does it heavily.
Does that count as free speech?
All you can do is make sure you are rigorous in your facts.
Just a hint, that means staying away from LibertyPatriots4Troof.Trump.
And CNN.
Link to even one CNN story that contains an uncorrected lie?
That's not the bar. A false media story can last beyond its retraction.
For example: there are people today who still think Trump was found committing crimes by Mueller, but couldn't be prosecuted because he's a sitting president.
Mueller contradicted this on the record, but it was falsely reported, so people still believe it to this day.
That's enough to affect an election. Poor 2020 election... poor democracy... to bad we can't know for sure who would be president if not for propaganda...
Link to even one CNN story that contains an uncorrected lie?
CNN, like NPR, will tend to avoid direct lying.
Instead, if you have a set of facts:
After several nights of rioting young kid goes with legal firearm to help protect property. Riot breaks out, young kid gets attacked by several rioters with criminal records. Kid defends himself, unintentionally killing two of the attackers and wounding one.
What CNN reports:
"White supremacist murders anti-racism protesters."
Lies? Well, the kid was white, and has criticized progressives at times, and the guys who attacked him were at a BLM protest, so . . . .
Welllllll, if I must.
https://newspunch.com/top-20-cnn-fake-news/
12 February 2005, a drunk Chicago cop speeds thru a red light in Tinley Park, Illinois, crashes and kills Ahmad Shaban, 16, and Mohammed Shuaibi, 17, 2 of Allah's obedient teetotalers.
No wonder the cops are cracking down on underage drinking: Look at all the teenagers killed in drunk driving crashes.
Was that an actual headline on CNN?
80% of the people here say things that are not true on a constant basis, gleaned from their favorite corners of the bullshit internet.
100,000 kids are on ventillators.
That's really sad. We need to get some of those little buggers off the ventilators.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjEQuCdZWoU&ab_channel=Mat
..theyre also on the internet. Much more dangerous.
"Governments realize that they are in an existential battle over who controls information." Oh. At first, considering current events, I thought it said, "Governments realize that they are in an existential battle over who controls inflammation."
It certainly is but it's also pretty harmful to organizations masquerade as news while spewing outright propaganda to the fervently gullible.
The answer shouldn't have to be more government but it could start with an education that helps people pick out the truth from completely made up bullshit, which just floods the airwaves today.
Or how about simply a concensus that free speech is valuable and nobody should be silenced.... And that news organizations should strive to provide an accurate representation of what happened.
Just that simple shift would make all the difference in the world.
I think that Mark Zuckerberg and some Gates-funded organizations would be perfect government contractors to serve us as the education providers, helping the global population sort through the falsehoods and identify the truth.
Are you pathologically incapable of leaving people alone to live their lives as they see fit?
Seriously, shag off, Karen.
When the internet was created the freedom of information and democratization of information was to be one of the great benefits. Politicians are vehemently opposed and are conspiring with the their allies at big tech to crush freedom.
Recall when Hatelery Clinton wanted to shut down AM radio Talk Shows?
That is this.
Oh come now. There can be no official to decide on "the truth" because reality is socially constructed and truth is formed by consensus within one's own social circle. So the statements "COVID is a dangerous disease" and "COVID is just a bad cold" are both true, because different group have determined each statement is "the truth". Welcome to post-truth post-modern America 2022.
"So the statements "COVID is a dangerous disease" and "COVID is just a bad cold" are both true"
Its actually easy for them both to be true, with nuance and context.
COVID is a dangerous disease (to elderly, obese, immunocompromised, and very sick people)
COVID is just a bad cold (to the vast majority of people)
...not dangerous to about 85% of people.
The Majority!
They then are at more risk of being damaged or killed by a vaccine they dont need.
I thought Biden was all up in democracy which is Majority Rule?
(Fuck Joe Biden)
Whatever you think of truth, it's a really hard thing to nail down. It's almost impossible to know whether or not you know most of what you know.
2+2=4
Those ate opinions, not facts. Opinions can also be truths: Slavery is unjust.
Every tyrant though out history who has sought to abolish free speech has done so in the name of public safety.
Like Trump, calling the press the "enemy of the people".
"...enema of the People"
FIFY
I would not count the mainstream news as being in good company with freedom of speech.
"Like Trump, calling the press the "enemy of the people"."
Like TDS-addled steaming piles of lefty shit making vague, anonymous assertions, TDS-addled steaming pile of lefty shit.
What's funny about the current state of our culture is it's not really the falsehoods that are the problem, it's the over-reliance on "fact checking" which are the real source of trouble. The constant binary determination of "fact", especially as it relates to complex subjects causes far more problems than it solves.
As one former Reason alumnus once said in regards to this obsession with "fact checking", "It is a fact that the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor on December 7th, 1941... the reason why, however, is not a 'fact'".
You don’t like facts.
This is a fact.
What makes you believe that to be a fact and why do you feel the need to identify it as such?
You could just admit your insincerity.
“ The great enemy of clear language is insincerity. When there is a gap between one’s real and one’s declared aims, one turns as it were instinctively to long words and exhausted idioms, like a cuttlefish spurting out ink.“ George Orwell
Meanwhile, the gap between your ears is used as a Sturmfag orgy.
You demonstrate my quote.
Here's an example.
Color was not manipulated in CNN video (even though CNN admitted it's done exactly that in previous videos) because CNN said they didn't.
Ruling: False.
“The raw upload was ingested using the direct link to Joe Rogan’s Instagram video, which was then cut for TV.”
How that place doesn't have weekly workplace shootings I'll never understand.
Im thinking all this media is virtual.
Nobody home.
There sure as hell arent Reporters on the scene. Theyre Mark Levins " back benchers" making shit up as they go, based on rumour.
Virtual signaling?
"But, at a moment when too many media outlets see their role as working with the state to reinforce official narratives..."
Look no farther than Fox "news" pundits working closely with Trump and his minions. It's always a giveaway when "conservatives" all start using the same talking points on the same day.
LOOK OVER THERE!
They think theyre clever...
It just came out in yesterday’s news that Trump would include Fox News political pundits in White House meetings.
Are you saying that gov't colluding with the media to push a false narrative in order to harm their political opposition is bad?
The DNC would like words.
"...Look no farther than Fox "news" pundits working closely with Trump and his minions. It's always a giveaway when "conservatives" all start using the same talking points on the same day...."
Look no further than TDS-addled steaming piles of lefty shit making vague, anonymous assertions, TDS-addled steaming pile of lefty shit.
Men are men.
Women are women.
"cloth face coverings" never worked, and do not work now.
The unvaxxed are no more spreaders of the Communist Chinese Virus than the vaxxed.
Global-climate-warming-change will not destroy the planet.
There IS inflation.
Oh, yes. She lied.
Truths.
“The unvaxxed are no more spreaders of the Communist Chinese Virus than the vaxxed.”
Not so. Vaccinated people tend to have a shorter period of being infected and lower viral load. Which all leads to a smaller window of being able to spread the virus to others.
Except not. It merely diminishes symptoms, which increases the odds of asymptomatic spread amongst the jabbed. Because the jab does nothing against transmission or viral loads.
https://www.ucdavis.edu/health/covid-19/news/viral-loads-similar-between-vaccinated-and-unvaccinated-people
Again and again and again, Liarson. Havr you no sense of shame?
Incorrect, cultist
And yet when politicians and officials waved off any complaints about voter fraud as a 'Big Lie' that merited no investigation, Reason dutifully added the phrase to their style guide and have used it in every article on the subject since.
A little lie told in service of Trump’s big lie.
Liarson likes the secondhand cornpop.
Maria Ressa was a bad choice to receive a Nobel prize related to freedom of the press. Not only due to her comments about Wikileaks mentioned above.
She has spoken many times about the need to regulate social media, Facebook in particular. The story below has her on an independent "board" designed to make Facebook self-censor even more than it does now. And her Nobel acceptance speech was heavy with this same garbage.
https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/facebook-real-oversight-board-n1240958
And here she is being interviewed about the evils of free speech on Facebook:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ed7s4OL65IA
"Maria Ressa"
.Damn foriegners.
The Nobel prizes have been an insider's game for a while. Meaningless.
Except when Obama won it.
Didn't even have to do a thing. Amazing man.
"report warning of escalating attacks on journalists,"
Jernalysts are hard to beat...
But at least try...often as possible.
Or at least make them cry
True journalists are almost extinct and should be protected, nurtured and encouraged. Spotting one that works in the United States is a truly rare event.
The shitheads that get paid the write "the news", however, can all die.
Until 1975, the medical and government consensus was that homosexuality was a mental illness and this was “science”. More recently, being trans was considered a mental illness too. Wonder what the progressive gatekeepers of truth have to say about that?
It is the very nature of science to evolve.
It is the very nature of dumb people to resist changing their beliefs.
Science is Truth, and Truth is whatever Tony’s people say it is.
It is mental illness. But they are in denial bc it might " offend" someone.
They have treatment for it as a mental malady in Israel.
We should all take up a collection to send Sevo and Mike. Whoevers rowing that boat in circles needs a checkup from the neckup.
I'd say it still is, if we use average or mean representations of humanity as our baseline. Post-op suicide rates aren't convincing that the new embrace is an improvement.
Yes but the suicides are an improvment.
I disagree. They may be confused and distressed, wanting a place to belong and feel loved, like any human.
And how they choose to get there is none of my business.
I have my opinions and I think crazy people are weird, but nothing there deserves death or complete disregard. Save that for after they say they voted for Brandon.
Oceania is at war with Eastasia. Therefore, Oceania was always at war with Eastasia. Quick, tear down all the posters that say Oceania is at war with Eurasia.
"homosexuality was a mental illness and this was “science”.
No it was psychology. No more a science than economics is.
Lethal Virus movie on This TV.
Man and woman trapped in a room being attacked by Zombies:
"maybe we can feed them Big Macs and poison them!'
Love these Dystopian future flicks!
States also force defendants convicted of sex crimes to sign papers saying they are an "offender" even if you know you were wrongly convicted in a kangaroo court.
"When officialdom makes the call, legitimate news outlets get called "fake," as former President Trump often smeared his critics, extremists get conflated with opponents of school policies, as the Justice Department did last fall, and claims that COVID-19 originated in a lab leak in China are suppressed as conspiracy theories before later earning respectful treatment."
Um ... let's see, under which president are critics of school policies going to be called extremists again? And which president would be more open to the possibility that COVID-19 could be from a lab leak? Trump, or Biden?
Does Biden ' leak?'
Depends.
When politicians decide what is 'Truth,' their idea of truth is: A boy who is disappointed he is not a girl, is a girl; a boy who pretends he is a girl, is a girl; a boy who convinces himself he is a girl, is a girl; and the government has a right to forbid us to speak otherwise.
hAte sPEeEaAcHH!!!
"Global health experts are casting doubts over reports of a new possible Covid-19 mutation that appeared to be a combination of both the delta and omicron variants, dubbed as “deltacron,” saying it’s more likely that the “strain” is the result of a lab processing error."
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/01/10/deltacron-variant-prompts-doubts-among-experts-as-possible-lab-error.html
Another term for " variant" is CANCER
An unintended, defective genetic alteration that reproduces.
Consider all the people who accept SCOTUS as their fact-checker. I've been asked in all seriousness how can a certain statute be unconstitutional when SCOTUS has upheld it? That's like asking how you can be overdrawn when you still have some checks left in your checkbook.
Consider Arver v. United States, 245 U.S. 366 where the so-called justices review a statute, clearly repugnant to the 13th Article of Amendment to the Constitution of the United States; and profess to be so mentally feeble as to be unable to see that it is so, despite their fluency in the language in which the Amendment and the statute are written; and cite their own lack of intellectual faculties as authority to uphold the statute:
"Finally, as we are unable to conceive upon what theory the exaction by government from the citizen of the performance of his supreme and noble duty of contributing to the defense of the rights and honor of the nation as the result of a war declared by the great representative body of the people can be said to be the imposition of involuntary servitude in violation of the prohibitions of the Thirteenth Amendment, we are constrained to the conclusion that the contention to that effect is refuted by its mere statement."
The truth according to politicians is whatever helps in increasing their vote bank and bank balance. The truth has to come out one way or the other. The media helps a bit in the process.
OK. Psaki
+1 if youd " do sumthin' 'bout dat."
- 1 if youd " chew your leg off to get away."
Well, Maria Ressa is right that the WikiLeaks dump wasn't "journalism". Journalism is not just providing facts and information, but providing it within a context that explains its significance and importance. Nonetheless, simply releasing the info was still a valuable service to society, because you can't do 'journalism' without some facts and information to work with.
And yeah, in a free society, you should be able to get the disinformation and misinformation right along with the information. Real journalists should be helping the rest of us to sort out the good information from the bad information. In this context, I'm not quite sure if people like Ressa qualify as "real" journalists. I'd need more information to be sure.
They're so good the experts come to them. No need to waste time researching.