The Reactionary Tradition Out To Annihilate American Liberty
A World After Liberalism details the rise of a young right that finds reactionary ideas relevant and appealing.

A World After Liberalism: Philosophers of the Radical Right, by Matthew Rose, Yale University Press, 196 pages, $28
For portions of the MAGA right, the stakes in politics seem unbearably high. They imagine their elections stolen without consequences, their children menaced by transsexuals in the schools, their fathers' manufacturing jobs shipped away by globalist corporations that mock their values. People whose worldviews sicken them seem to control every citadel of political and cultural power and to brook no opposition.
Even President Donald Trump seemed powerless to shift America back to the country they wanted. And so several institutions and thinkers of the intellectual right have declared that it's time to take the gloves off in a way even Trump would not. It's time, they argue, to fight against "liberalism"—not just the attitudes associated with the Democratic Party, but the historical idea of a social order based on people's ability to make their own choices about what to do with their lives and property, to live and travel where they wish, to choose meanings, family structures, attitudes, and lifeways freed of any obligation to national or ethnic traditions. They want the American right to get tough and to crush progressivism at its root.
Thus, there has been a small intellectual revival of mostly forgotten or despised thinkers often dubbed "reactionary." In A World After Liberalism, Matthew Rose of the Morningside Institute assesses five of them: Oswald Spengler, Julius Evola, Francis Parker Yockey, Alain de Benoist, and Samuel Francis.
Just six years ago, a book covering these characters would have seemed a mere curiosity for those who get a frisson of forbidden delight dancing on the intellectual edge, exploring paths so far from an acceptable national norm that they have the louche appeal of the intellectual freak show, not relevant to actual American electoral politics.
But as Rose notes, a younger right is rising that finds reactionary ideas relevant and appealing: "Republican politicians won't know them all…but their young aides will," he writes. "At conservative magazines, senior editors don't read them, but their junior staff do." The ranks of the self-styled "new nationalist conservatives" are filled with these reaction-curious types. They "take as a premise," Rose explains, "that American conservatism as it had defined itself for generations is intellectually dead. Its defense of individual liberty, limited government, and free trade is today a symptom of political decadence."
Many libertarians have believed they had allies on the right, in fighting for those principles against the progressive left. To the extent that Rose's reactionaries and their epigones guide the right side of the spectrum, the libertarian is more than ever trapped on a hellish battlefield watching two dominant forces fight to destroy American liberty, for different goals and from different premises.
These reactionary writers see, in Rose's words, "humans as naturally tribal, not autonomous; individuals as inherently unequal, not equal; politics as grounded in authority, not consent; societies as properly closed, not open."
Rose regards Spengler, an early 20th century German historian who predicted the death of the West, as the "intellectual godfather" of the reactionary right. Spengler believed that Western civilization had a Faustian drive toward the achievement of greatness. And to Spengler, liberalism—with its supposedly squalid obsessions with political equality and with meeting each other's needs through peaceful trade—"detests every kind of greatness, everything that towers, rules."
Rose interprets Spengler as believing "there is no place outside of a particular culture from which human beings can think, feel, or communicate"—an idea generally used to endorse authoritarian attempts to defend cultures from allegedly corrupting external influences. In its obsession with the vital importance of group distinctions and differences, reactionary thought starts to resemble woke arguments for irreducible cultural relativism.
Next: Julius Evola, a 20th century Italian occultist with a substantial far-right following. The pop reactionaries seem to believe that any "normal" person should obviously be disgusted by the excesses or laxness of modern mores. But those without some prerational neurotic aversion to having choices about love, family, religion, how to work, and where to live would more likely dismiss Evola as an absurd freak coping with his own problems and anxieties by insisting human beings are essentially like dogs requiring a system of strictly imposed outside discipline.
Such reactionaries believe, without historical evidence or even a compelling theory, that people are happier and flourish better with fewer choices, with a life less rich with the comforts and options provided by markets and liberalism. It is usually hard to believe even they would be happy in that sort of life, given that they tend to be intellectual misfits and malcontents. Liberal modernity, in Evola's time and now, has certainly seen lonely people dissatisfied with the choices they've taken, but that gets nowhere close to proving that a nonliberal society would more assuredly generate a greater proportion of truly satisfied, flourishing people.
Francis Parker Yockey was an anti-Semitic international man of mystery in various post–World War II underground movements, both fascist and communist, that opposed America's festering liberalism. He argued that the West in its best sense lost World War II, which he saw as a German effort to, in Rose's words, "build a society that could escape the slavery of communism and the anomie of liberalism."
Less important perhaps than his continued ideological influence—he's the figure in this book you are least likely to hear about from anyone trying to be part of an aboveground political conversation—is the bizarre and colorful figure Yockey cut. He was eventually arrested in 1960 with luggage filled with seven birth certificates, passports from Germany, Britain, Canada, and the U.S., an address book entirely in code, and "drafts of three pornographic short stories." The best thing Rose can say for him is that his willingness to shape and eventually ruin his own life in pursuit of his vision of Western greatness shows a man who was "deadly sincere, his words having been sealed by the testimony of his life."
By contrast, Alain de Benoist, one of the fathers of the French New Right, shows where reactionary thinking has the most policy implications. American politicians will not be able to restore preliberal lifeways and destroy the global market economy, but they can pursue immigration policies that keep people of different ethnicities and cultures out, or try to.
De Benoist's "identitarianism" insists that preventing the free movement of goods and human beings is in service of humanity's glorious heritage of difference. No true democracy can exist, he says, if the "people" are not truly one distinct people; de Benoist insists, as Rose sums it up, that "human identity is always mediated through group membership" and that "human beings do not exist, even in their most private aspects, as mere individuals." No one, in other words, can be happy not living roughly the same way as some long-dead ancestor they never met.
The fifth figure in Rose's quintet is Samuel Francis, best known to the mainstream as a columnist for The Washington Times. Francis wrote presciently in the 1990s about the coming Trumpist movement of "middle American radicals" against global trade and liberal values. In his later years he felt it vital to add that the only valuable middle American was a white middle American.
Reactionary ideas are woven through MAGA and its intellectual enablers. In right-wing publications such as American Greatness and The American Mind, we see arguments that order outweighs liberty, that autarchy and cultural purity outweigh free markets and free movement. Those attracted to these ideas suggest that the "other side" is not "playing by the rules," and therefore that state action to crush those who believe things the right does not is warranted (with a wounded insistence that They started it!). These neo-reactionaries value, or say they value, the Spartan virtues of toughness and violence over tolerance, trade, and other allegedly weak cosmopolitan ideas that in fact make life rich and salubrious.
Libertarians—alone again, naturally—shouldn't accept that because reactionaries hate the left so very, very much, they must be embraced as allies. A proper libertarianism seeks the personal liberty that each of those sides wants to squelch. Both reactionaries and progressives are menaces to the civic peace that a flourishing civilization relies on, since both seek to remake the social world to their liking by force.
This article originally appeared in print under the headline "After Liberty, the Deluge."
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"American politicians will not be able to restore preliberal lifeways and destroy the global market economy, but they can pursue immigration policies that keep people of different ethnicities and cultures out, or try to."
And for us Koch / Reason libertarians, this is what really matters.
The primary objective of our philosophy is to make billionaires — especially our benefactor Charles Koch — even richer. Unlimited, unrestricted immigration is crucial because it allows Mr. Koch to import cost-effective foreign-born labor. (Mexicans are his favorite.)
#ImmigrationAboveAll
Most pollsters would agree that how a question is asked influences the answer. If asked would you like to pay 50.00 dollars less for a washing machine everyone would answer yes. But if the question is paying 50.00 less worth having certain areas prosperous and others a shit hole you might get a different answer. Sure I want the lowest price possible but not at the expense of my fellow citizens. I would surely pay more for American made products and please spare my the Adam Smith BS. Libertarians complain about all of the hands out for government support while shifting jobs to China.
"I would surely pay more for American made products and please spare my the Adam Smith BS. Libertarians complain about all of the hands out for government support while shifting jobs to China."
You don't need a POLL. Just look at the market, and Americans seem perfectly happy to pay less for foreign goods even though the "Buy American" campaign has been going since the 80s. Libertarians aren't shifting anything. Libertarians represent some 5% of the population.
The only way you can change this is to put in place tariffs- which is explicitly disregarding the free choice of millions of Americans that- unlike you- do not want to pay more for basic goods and services so that union workers in Detroit can have higher wages.
When leftists purport to tax the rich and give that money to their favored classes, they at least have the decency to call it for what it is: welfare. Unfortunately too many tariff boosters cannot even be honest that they are doing the same thing.
You don't need to be a registered Libertarian to implement Libertarian ideas. Where did I mention unions and taxes, and tariffs in my reply? Why do you assume I'm a Leftist. I'm a populist. According to Pew, union membership in AMERICA is 10 %, mainly in the public sector. Add right to work states into the mix; unions are almost irrelevant in the private economy. Why does it have to be one way or another? Your way hasn't been doing too well either. This pandemic has shown us such. Let's hope China doesn't invade Taiwan. Good luck getting computer chips. Getting back to unions, Sweden is 70 % unionized, and the girls are HOT. It's also a nice place to visit, and there's still plenty of wealthy people. Take the Red Pill; better still try reading the bible.
"You don't need to be a registered Libertarian to implement Libertarian ideas."
And yet you said specifically that " Libertarians complain about all of the hands out for government support while shifting jobs to China." Libertarians have shifted nothing.
"Where did I mention unions and taxes, and tariffs in my reply?"
You said that you would "surely pay more" for American made goods. Well, guess what? Americans have revealed through their purchases that they do NOT want to pay more. They are happily buying foreign imports. If you would like them to pay more for American like you, then you are going to have to levy a Tarif which is a tax on those Americans and handout to American manufacturers and their employees (who, despite being a tiny portion of the workforce, tend to disproportionately benefit from tariffs).
"Your way hasn't been doing too well either. This pandemic has shown us such. "
My way has nothing to do with the pandemic. But it seems to me that the global economy has been pretty fucking amazing in the face of Wu Flu. Oh, we ran out of toilet paper for a couple weeks? And cars are hard to come by? Wow. How many people starved to death because we couldn't get food into the cities?
It seems to me that, all things considered- especially the giant ham-handed fist of lockdown-happy government- free trade has been pretty fucking resilient.
You forgot my comment about Sweden. The girls are hot and it's a nice place to visit. Stop watching Fox and do some traveling. The Netherlands are beautiful and for the record, I'm an atheist populist E-bHS. I only recommend the bible to the type of people that probably would step over a homeless person to get to the all-you-can-eat salad bar.
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You never read the Bible, have you? Repent.
Uh yeah, maybe the reason that Americans do NOT want to pay more is that the cost of many things has risen out of proportion to the rise (or stagnation really) of wages.
Or it could be that the USA outsourced most manufacturing and there's no other option but to settle for cheap Chinese stuff (that is of increasingly better quality as time goes on).
A nationalist-populist with religious overtones. Where have we heard that before?
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Youre missing the full picture as youre ignoring non free market actions by others. Foreign nations openly commit corporate theft to to the cost of billions of dollars to US companies. A number higher than tariffs.
If the Mob was selling discount TV with TV they stole, you wouldn't claim it a free market victory the consumer got televisions less.
Theft costs security and reduces innovation. Money that could grow a company is given to protect it.
Ignoring these items means you aren't talking honestly of the purpose of some tariffs.
The whole article is just a bullshit way to attack anyone who supports Trump or his agenda in favor of the democrats,
It’s the Reason way.
It would be nice if the resident Trump supporters could, then, offer a point by point rebuttal to the article - or - articulate their own views and how they believe policies reflecting those views would benefit more Americans. What DOES Trump stand for anyway???
Trump stands for Trump™️ and for whatever feelings and impressions Trump has at the time.
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Well, brother can you spare an industrial base?
They imagine their elections stolen without consequences, their children menaced by transsexuals in the schools, their fathers' manufacturing jobs shipped away by globalist corporations that mock their values.
How are these facts stated as if they are just imaginary hobgoblins of the mind?
What election was stolen?
There are so many election fraud cases and people in jail for committing election fraud I can only assume you are being disingenuous.
You seems to be alluding to the 2020 Presidential election, but now you are retreating to vagueness.
But, sure, I’m the one who is being disingenuous.
As it always is
Or he is referring to one of the many examples that have already been linked to here repeatedly that you’ve ignored before, and he knows you’d ignore again if he bothered linking them.
You beat me to it. He must act differently with people face to face. Otherwise he wouldn’t remain unmurdered.
Their gaslighting doesn’t work anymore.
It does to those that only see their narrative.
Well, elections have been stolen by fraud.
Are we just pretending that New Jersey didn't have to redo a primary last year due to rampant voter fraud?
Are we pretending that JFK didn't receive votes from more people than existed in certain counties?
And let's not forget, our election system is almost tailor-made to ensure any fraud that does happen is undetectable. Only the most egregious examples can even be detected, and there is no way to correct for fraud once it occurs short of redoing the entire election.
It seems that this denial of basic reality and proven history is all to further the claim that the only reason Republicans want voter ID is because they are so racist that they think minorities are too stupid to obtain photo identification (ironically, that is a Democrat talking point, albeit in not so many words).
State level democrat politicians violated the Federal Constitution by illegally change election laws to accommodate their party. We are expected to believe democrats did this to prevent democrats from cheating.
Surprisingly, Libertarians (who claim to support the Constitution) don't seem to mind that it was done.
Public charge/welfare immigration is a nazi right wing myth.
Brian, who controls the corporate media? Academia? The Federal Agencies? Schools? Big Tech? Yep Bolsheviks who have zero interest in liberty. Go ahead and be scared of a few folks with no power blogging with no audience. Seriously...the DIE movement is a direct assault on liberty..coming out into the open what started in the 1960's by bolshies who took over colleges and later the democratic party (and banking/big tech). JC..why Reason wants to defend woke cosmos who are just "misguided" is beyond me. Oh yeah I get it, you all live in DC or NYC and want to be the cool kids at the parties Salon or Slate or NYT/Wapo throws.
Mexico is a collapsed economy for the same reasons These States were as soon as Mystical bigot Bert Hoover was handed shoot-first prohibitionism. All such violent Christian Front superstitions were promptly exported to Mexico and all points south. The result is the horde of starvelings fleeing fascist chitholes to mooch largesse from The Kleptocracy. Republicans have, since 1873, been causing Panics and Crashes by banning trade and production and legalizing asset-forfeiture looting. The Dems ape the Trumpanzees in hopes of getting in on the pelf.
American conservatism as it had defined itself for generations is intellectually dead. Its defense of individual liberty, limited government, and free trade is today a symptom of political decadence.
Yes, Precisely - and replaced by Trumpism - Big Government, Record spending, protectionism, provincialism, and MAGA head-in-the-sand isolation.
Well said once again, Reason.
Yeah.
Reason is doing so well lately — except for their baffling tendency to repeat wingnut.com disinformation about the i-word. Namely, that it exists (outside of spittin' tobaccy).
#DefendBidenAtAllCosts
Wait....OBL you might need to add 'Used Jalopy' to 'HAPERINFLATION'. Used car prices are up, it makes it harder for the illegals to get to work to make Koch more wealthy.
How do we address this terrible wingnut phenomenon?
Agreed! From the article: "They want the American right to get tough and to crush progressivism at its root."
From the Trumpist-brigades comments on these very pages, we can see that we absolutely MUST poozy-grasp our enemies & make the libs cry at any and ALL costs! If democracy, benevolence, and civilized life must DIE, in order for a 1-party "R"-type state to make things "RIGHT", then so be it!
And never mind that they can NEVER name for us, a 1-party state (a stranglehold on political power) that has managed to provide long-term peace and prosperity! Trumpturds are ANYTHING BUT data-driven!
So Trump represents the 1-party state to you, and not the reaction against it?
Trump's unwillingness to accept ANY votes that are not for HIM is well documented! Crawl out of under Your echo-chamber rocks and read some news! WHEN did the "D" party pull any similar shit? When did a rejected "D" POTUS candidate still deny reality more than 1 year after the election?
Hillary Clinton groused for a couple of days after losing to Trump. To them, that is totally equivalent to Trump, who started calling the election fraudulent long before it even happened and is still harping on it to this day.
Just last year she called him an illegitimate president you retarded shit.
Both kamala and biden have said the same.
3 year made up IC investigation.
The resistance openly telling a rejoicing media they were actively working against the elected president as members of the executive.
It takes a special kind of dumb to think democrats just accepted the results of 2016.
To be fair, most on the left now use the "illegitimate" label for any person they don't like. I suppose sometimes they might even mean that--but certainly most of the party faithful do.
Military officers boldly stating afterwards that they had arranged a quiet "Coup" against the sitting President. Lying to him and bypassing the chain of command to communicate secrets to foreign powers.
It's pretty sad when someone who has no class has more class than Trump.
"Hillary Clinton groused for a couple of days after losing to Trump."
Hillary Clinton Maintains 2016 Election ‘Was Not On the Level’: ‘We Still Don’t Know What Really Happened’ - October 9, 2020
Five years isn't 'a couple of days' you dishonest shits.
Ouch.
Like it will matter to those dishonest shits.
They really should respond to this.
Not only will they not respond, they will completely ignore it, and the next time the topic comes up again they’ll post the same bs.
Sorry, I have Mother’s Lament muted, so I don’t know what to respond to.
Shorter Mike " I have chosen ignorance so people can't point out flaws in my ignorant takes."
He thinks he's punishing me or something.
He posted a link that completely owned your retarded as fuck talking point about Hillary.
Lalalala can’t hear you lalalala can’t hear you!
Because you’re a shitweasel and a pussy.
ditto
So Mammary-Fuhrer... PLEASE post us a link about HillaryPanzees gone apeshit, trying to subvert democracy, and trying to "shoot him with his own gun", with respect to cops?
READ the below and hang your tiny brainless, power-lusting shit-head in SHAME for always taking the side of Trumpanzees, power-luster-pig!
https://www.jpost.com/international/kill-him-with-his-own-gun-dc-cop-talks-about-the-riot-655709
‘Kill him with his own gun’ – DC cop talks about Capitol riot
DC Police officer Michael Fanone: I had a choice to make: Use deadly force, which would likely result with the mob ending his life, or trying something else.
“Pro-law-and-order” Trumpturds take the side of trumpanzees going apeshit, making cops beg for their lives! For trying to defend democracy against mobocracy! Can you slime-wads sink ANY lower?!?!
The threat is NOT yet over! Not by ANY means!
https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/02/politics/donald-trump-doj-republicans-insurrection-january-6/index.html
Trump's $100 million threat to democracy
They were bigger than J6, for fucks sake.
I'm not sure if you're being forgetful, deliberately retarded, or if you're just being dishonest.
Trump inauguration protest damages parts of downtown Washington - Jan 21, 2017
"Officers arrested 217 protesters, CBS affiliate WUSA reports. Six police officers were hurt during the protests, including three who were hit in the head with flying objects.
The bulk of the criminal acts happened at 10:30 a.m. when 400 to 500 people on 13th Street destroyed property, Interim Police Chief Peter Newsham said. The protesters were armed with crowbars and threw objects at people and businesses, destroying storefronts and damaging vehicles.
Friday’s protests weren’t the first of the inauguration. On Thursday night, protesters and Trump supporters clashed outside a pro-Trump event in Washington. Police used chemical spray on some protesters in an effort to control the unruly crowd.
The demonstrations won’t end when Mr. Trump takes up residence in the White House. A massive Women’s March on Washington is planned for Saturday. Christopher Geldart, the District of Columbia’s homeland security director, has said 1,800 buses have registered to park in the city Saturday, which could mean nearly 100,000 people coming in just by bus."
Trump inauguration protesters found not guilty
"A jury in a D.C. Superior Court case has acquitted a group of Inauguration Day protestors on all charges, according to multiple media reports.
Six activists who were arrested while protesting on Inauguration Day as part of the "J20," or Jan. 20, protests were each facing five felony charges of destruction of property and two misdemeanor counts of engaging in a riot.
Jennifer Armento, Oliver Harris, Brittne Lawson, Michelle Macchio, Christina Simmons and Alexei Wood were protesting President Trump's inauguration.
More than 200 people were arrested during the protests, and the six acquitted Wednesday were being prosecuted for the more than $100,000 of damage that occurred across the city.
The defense argued that the J20 group, which totaled about 500 people, mostly consisted of peaceful protestors, and that the six on trial were not personally responsible for the damage to cars, windows and other federal property.
Don’t you know? Every single person there, all 10’s of thousands of them, were violent thugs trying to overthrow democracy itself, They probably would have tossed the Statue of Liberty into the Potomac if they had the chance.
1 year +, was Hillary-Bob BEGGING for it ALL to happen ALL OVER AGAIN by STILL endlessly repeating a Big Lie about stolen elections?
@SQRLSY One
Come up with an argument next time.
CROSSCHECK
Yeah, why can't Trump be more cultured like the establishment left, and use the elite power structure to induce congressional investigations and impeachment?
Emperor Trump should have been immune from ALL criticism, investigations, and impeachments? That's not how constitutional "split powers" work! It is how dictatorshits work! If you want 1-party "R" dictatorshit, have the balls to say so!
That is the logical conclusion if you support the idea that "fake news" should be squashed, that executive orders are great when your guy does them, that Dear Leader should never be questioned, and that the media should be punished for being mean to Dear Leader.
Thing is, Trump supporters are too short sighted to see the implications of their own words.
Do you have a single citation for your claims of what others do? You demand them. So offer yourself. Because none of that shit happened.
As far as fake news. If you think the last 4 years if media was open and fair you are a fucking leftist.
The program manager for CNN literal said they spent the trump years making up stories
You’re a lying pathetic drunk who just end it all. And that’s more response than you deserve.
You faggots invented a conspiracy about fictional collusion to raise tension w/the only country that has as many nukes as we do, spy on the incoming administration, and jail political opponents.
You should be executed on the spot.
Good. More people must come to that conclusion. Then the democrats can be dealt with.
Gambino boy:
Replace Obamacare with system where you can choose your own doctor
We will repeal and replace disastrous Obamacare. You will be able to choose your own doctor again.
[Cleveland, OH, 7/21/16]
You do realize that Trump attempted to repeal Obamacare, don't you? You seem incapable of understanding the difference between trying but failing and failing to try.
Keep immigration laws "just the way they are right now"
I don’t want new laws. I don’t want old laws. We’re just going to keep the laws just the way we have it right now. Obama, people don’t know this, he’s taken out 2.5 million people. Nobody knows that. Nobody ever mentions that. So, we’re going to enforce the laws.
[Colorado, 8/3/16]
The right-wing commenters here have never mentioned any of these intellectuals. But the right-wing commenters here seem to be more getting talking points from Breitbart and such, and they seem to be old, grumpy farts rather than young reactionaries.
Not a lefty lol.
Find the last link to Breitbart Mike. I can post your lover Jeff using daily beast about a dozen times in the last few months. Shrike, youre too old for him, linking to almost exclusively the far left Atlantic.
It is hilarious the ignorance of the left.
Its a political version of Dunning-Kruger.
Or gaslighting.
Look at how the right-wing and Trumpster contingent here reacts whenever George Will is mentioned — scathing hatred for a guy who has some of the most solid conservative bonafides you can find.
George Will coined the phrase "crybaby in chief" to describe Trump.
So of course the Trumpsters are going to hate him and disagree with everything he said as a matter of principle.
Trump represents conservatism, and any criticism of him reveals someone to be a leftist.
Thus George Will was a leftist his entire life.
And you two continue to cry when people call you leftists lol.
Fucking leftist hypocrites. You feel free to label anyone who shows you two to be ignorant shitnweasels as rightist. Bit cry like little babies when people point out you are litists
It is hilarious.
Sarc isn’t capable of anything more than idiotic strawman hyperbole. It must be awful for him, not having a defensible position, and being too stupid and drunk to even really try.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/no-one-should-want-four-more-years-of-this-taste-of-ashes/2020/06/01/1a80ecf4-a425-11ea-bb20-ebf0921f3bbd_story.html about Crybaby-in-Chief. Sad to say, it is pay-walled. I can't get at more than the below...
Trump must be removed. So must his congressional enablers.https://www.washingtonpost.com › 2020/06/01
Jun 1, 2020 — By George F. Will. Columnist. June 1, 2020. This unraveling presidency began with the Crybaby-in-Chief banging his spoon on his highchair ...
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2021/09/17/future-politics-conservatism-george-will-512308 is excellent!
Does ‘Conservatism’ Actually Mean Anything Anymore?
George Will on the hijacking of conservatism, how politics became obsessed with things that politics cannot fix, and why he didn’t hear about the Tulsa massacre until 2020.
From there…
…there are self-identified “conservatives” whose idea of what conservatism means is entirely based on cultural identity and cultural grievance instead of those tenets of conservatism as a philosophy. Do you think that that’s a fair comparison?
I think it is. Donald Trump is the purest expression of the current pandemic of performative politics — politics cut off from anything other than making one’s adherents feel good. And people nowadays feel good by disliking the other team.
Politico is actually run by the Democratic Party. Who do you think you're tricking?
https://knightfoundation.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/American-Views-2020-Trust-Media-and-Democracy.pdf
Check the source! The below words are straight from George Will... Is George Will now a MARXIST, Marxist-Mammary? Or does Marxist-Mammary FORBID "True Conservatives" from being interviewed by "leftist" news establishments?
"I think it is. Donald Trump is the purest expression of the current pandemic of performative politics — politics cut off from anything other than making one’s adherents feel good. And people nowadays feel good by disliking the other team."
George Will is definitely not a Marxist, but he is a simp for the authoritarian Davos crew, and if you didn't have your head up your ass you'd realize they're just as cancerous.
stable genius: Be greatest jobs president ever
I will be the greatest jobs president that God ever created. I tell you that.
[New York, NY, 6/16/15]
(Lost 3,003,000 jobs)
Jobs grew under Trump prior to the pandemic:
https://www.axios.com/trump-job-record-election-11f6b664-dc77-4fbf-ba9a-d61c63569c96.html
He was not responsible for any lockdowns from various states. Try harder next time.
Fats domino:
Put H&R Block out of business
And we’re gonna put H&R block the hell out of business.
[Sarasota, FL, 11/28/16]
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/hr-block-stock-falls-after-wider-than-expected-losses-2020-12-08
Seems like the right direction for Trump if you ask me.
But George Will has never been a darling of the commentariat here. He wasn't a decade ago, he sure wasn't 30 years ago.
Stop conflating "conservative" with "libertarian" and things might make more sense to you.
But pre-Trump the commentariat used to consist of libertarians. During the Trump administration, the commentariat became infested with Trumpsters.
Says the progressive virus
You. Were. Never. Libertarian.
Anyone who didn't care the deep state and IC tried to undo a duly elected official who ran on cuttings costs is not a libertarian.
Youre a weak minded leftist who cosplayed as a libertarian.
Eh, there was a lot of "national greatness conservative" rot here even before Trump (think RC Dean and John back to the Iraq invasion days), but it clearly got worse with the run up to Trump's election (with at least one of the new commenters - loveconstitution1789 - probably being a Russian plant or other disinfo operative) and has never recovered.
turd lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a TDS-addled lying pile of lefty shit.
Trumpism - Big Government, Record spending, protectionism, provincialism, and MAGA head-in-the-sand isolation.
Finally! someone has defined Trumpism to me and it sounds like every other president we've had for the last 50 year.s Thanks.
Because they didn’t give the complete list, which includes “lying about elections and undermining democracy”.
LOL Yeah that's unique to trump supporters. You must live in a cave.
It really is unique the degree of blatant lying and grifting, and the blatant disdain for democracy.
Yes, Mike Laursen, your evil knows no bounds. You are a threat to everyone here, and a source of constant falsehood. You are the threat to representative government and individual freedom. You continue doing so, because you've been sheltered and protected from the just consequences of your words and actions.
Well, we're about fucking fed up.
It really is unique the degree of blatant lying and grifting, and the blatant disdain for democracy. Enough about the Bidens.
If White Mike believed in democracy, we could have a vote in the commentariat to see if the majority prefers he leaves here.
Second!
Enough projection here. Stop it. You are a complete dumbass.
This was meant for Mike liarson.
For 20 years we have heard selected not elected about Gore you retarded fuck.
And the left is defending liberty? Sure buddy sure. And they have all the power. The bigger threat is the left/bolsheviks. I don't fear some redneck in Idaho..I do fear woke NYC activists who run Federal Agencies and FB/Google/Twitter..
So is this the new thing at Reason? Are we now going to have a neverending stream of articles warning us that even though the left is actively destroying all things freedom (except the freedom to use a women's bathroom or be assigned to a women's prison if you are a trans woman)... It is some obscure right wing trend that nobody actually ever heard of but is totally just around the corner that we *really* need to be worried about.
Not the CWP camouflage behind the BLM label that seeks the destruction of all freedom... Even the basic structures of society like the nuclear family. Things they explicitly state as core goals and values. Nope. That isn't worth wasting column inches on.
Don't worry about the dangers of the political majority, who seek to remove free speech from the national vocabulary. I mean, they only control the White House, Senate and House and several key Circuit Courts.... Along with all of the major media and social media companies and a bunch of the major banks. There is no danger there.... Let's worry about what some weirdo sitting in the back at a young Republicans meeting at Idaho State thinks... Because he is the real danger.
I mean, why would a libertarian magazine worry about freedom of association and freedom of speech anyway?? It isn't like those things are important to a free society. Not when someone wrote a book that claims that the real scary danger isn't actual political violence by the left, coordinated with leftist politicians and leftist prosecutors for nakedly political goals... No, no need to worry about that. Let's worry that an internet chat room had some guy who said he doesn't like all of that! He is being scary and reactionary. We can't have that!!
Or.... And hear me out on this, because it isn't as crazy as it sounds.... Or... We could, you know, fight against this illiberal and anti-American drive on the left, championing free speech, the free expression of ideas, freedom of association, opposing propaganda and collusion among leftist corporate leaders to silence opposition...
You know, libertarian stuff.
That way, when some group on the right gets out of line, we have the credibility of our principles. Then maybe we have the moral authority to tell them where they go wrong, instead of being a bunch of whiny tools of the new totalitarian left.
Doesn't anyone around here remember how to stand on principle? Good lord people, it isn't that hard.
Libertarian is the easy high ground to stake out. That is what people criticize us for... Being unrealistic and ideological. Free speech is absolute... Even if you don't like that someone says Covid came from China. Make a Better argument. See how easy that is?
If some right wing group goes around calling central American immigrants by a name they do not care for (say, Latinx, to pick an arbitrary example).. you don't declare this a hate crime and arrest them, or ban them from speaking publicly.... You correct them at every turn. See? Easy... No need to have a censorship regime.
And when crazy right wing militia groups dress in all black and attack societal icons, tearing down monuments to left wing causes like, say famous abolitionists or Abraham Lincoln, you can condemn that, and call for the law to be enforced even handedly, without flipping out and comparing them to Hirohito attempting to subjugate a nation.... The libertarian position is easy... It isn't the reasons for the crime that are of primary import to the state, it is the crime. So you would oppose holding someone in solitary confinement for a year without trial for the crime of being there when a statue of Frederick Douglass is torn down by other people.
See, libertarian is easy, because it is fairly absolute and fairly black and white. These are easy calls.
And anyone working for a magazine called Reason should be able to make them in their sleep.
What? Stick to libertarian principles, point out that the far right is bad, but currently, they are a small population compared to the left-leaning population that is academe, entertainment, and news industries? That's just plain crazy, son.
In the progressive mind, even 1% non-compliance is a major catastrophe.
Ignore the articles critical of Biden. Ignore the articles slamming the left's economic policies. Ignore the parade of articles denouncing COVID policy. They do not exist. The only articles that exist are the ones critical of the far right.
Yeah, I don't get it, either. "Reason.com," they seem to be saying, "Do not commit TREASON by EVER criticizing the right! Criticize ONLY the left!"
If I didn't know better, I'd think that they are lusting after a 1-party "R" state; a TrumptatorShit!
And when I jokingly, in an article critical only of the left, put in a comment saying "This article doesn't exist. Move along." the usual suspects (who are currently whining and crying about this article is proof that Reason is never critical of the left) yell at the screen, call me names, and insist they never once said Reason is only critical of the right.
I can't tell if it's a lack of self awareness, intellectual dishonesty, stupidity, or all of the above.
Lol. Now you owe about your posts.
God damn youre a lying shit weasel. You will actively derail any and every article critical of the left.
You lie*
Let's take covid as an example. You claim you are pro vaccine, anti mandate. But in every thread on covid you don't attack the side trying to mandate the vaccines. You don't even criticize them. Instead you attack and lie about the vast majority of the GOP who have said get vaxxed no mandates.
Youre an open leftist at this point sarc. Youre just too fucking stupid and too fucking self delusional to realize it.
In every article critical of Biden you attack the right.
Are you truly this big a hypocrite?
For the same reason he’s down at the docks when a ship arrives: $0.50 is $0.50.
There's nothing wrong with calling out bad policies on either side and pointing out the danger they pose to liberty. The problem is when there's obvious threats to liberty coming from the left, an article like this feels like they're HUNTING for someone to criticize on the right. It's fine to slam Trump for bump-stock bans, or restrictive tariffs. It's fine to question their specific policies that are authoritarian, like drives to increase military equipment being given to police.
It's a problem when you claim that liberty is about to be annihilated by a tiny group that has very limited power and scope by claiming they're deeply entrenched. It's not like the CRT nonsense which is very wide-spread, it's everywhere, and that conception of anti-racism is being forced onto the broader population.
I've been trying to figure out Reason's editorial policy. I think OBL is the closest to pinpointing what is going on. I'm not entirely sure who Reason's audience is intended to be, but it appears that Reason's purpose is to promote world wide free market capitalism. Libertarianism is mostly window dressing. Most of the Reason staff is a type of cosmopolitan conservative who views the Republican party as their best chance at getting their policies implemented. The problem is that the current Republican party is trending even farther away from free market capitalism than it has in the past. Therefore, Reason's ire is primarily targeted at the Republican party and conservatives because those are the people standing in their way of a party that represents their policies. People are far more angry at traitors than they are at the enemy.
I can understand because I am more of a liberal than a conservative. The traditional Republican party doesn't do much to represent my values. Recently, however, I have found far more to hate about the Democrat party than the Republican party because the I thought the Democrats were supposed to stand for liberalism. They don't anymore. Maybe they never did. But it has caused me to find common sympathy with the Republicans. I figure the Reason staff is under the same disillusionment, but from the other side.
"...Reason's purpose is to promote world wide free market capitalism. Libertarianism is mostly window dressing."
'1) What's wrong with world-wide, consumers and producers (not Government Almighty) deciding what to buy and sell? Other than Government Almighty preventing or punishing theft, fraud, broken promises (contracts), and other clear abuses of rights? What's wrong with free, unfettered world-wide trade?
'2) How does the above conflict with REAL libertarianism? OK, I understand that free-market freedoms are only PART of libertarianism, but how do free-market freedoms violate REAL libertarianism?
(Are you thinking about my "libertarian rights" to food, health care, etc.? My "rights" to enslave producers for MY welfare?)
I don't see any problem with free market capitalism as long as it doesn't lead entrenched monopolies and regulatory capture. Or to a full on civil war. But free market capitalism is economic system, not set of social values. I'm sure Bezos loves his free market, but he isn't a libertarian as far as I can tell.
Cool, you sound like a reasonable person! Which is a bit too rare here on these pages for my tastes!
(PS, Thomas Sowell used to write a lot; He's getting old these days. I liked his writings. He used to differentiate between "economic ways of doing things and producing", where he liked economic freedom, as the most productive of different schemes, v/s charity ("compassion"), which he thought, as I do, should be a totally different animal. Sowell didn't make many jokes; he was a dry writer, for the most part. But he made a wise crack that went along these lines: "Criticizing free markets for lacking charity is like criticizing algebra for lacking of vitamins minerals"! Ha!
Let's get max production of goodies, and then let the (hopefully mostly honest) property owners make their own charity choices! First, the goodies; THEN the charity! It's hard to be charitable when we are all starving under total communism or endless wars under fascism!
I try stay reasonable, which has been hard the past decade. I read Reason and its comments just to get a general feel for whatever the current Libertarian narrative might be. Like I said, I generally consider myself a liberal, of the older gen x civil liberties variety. The only problem that I have with capitalism is its tendency towards cronyism, regulatory capture, and extreme wealth inequality. I realize that a true free market system would diminish some of those tendencies, but I haven't seen any indication that actual free markets exist.
And I've been watching Reason to see how interested they would be in fighting back against the loss of civil liberties in the pandemic. I would have thought that supposedly libertarian writers would be out on the edge fighting against every single mandate and rule, but they really have seemed more interested in denying the antiscience part of the Republican party. I've just been trying to figure out why.
Reason and Cato’s billionaire benefactor is a Davos globalist and the writing reflects that.
Reason has never had a fighting tone, but has always opted for a calm demeanor in their writing (which makes sense for a magazine called “Reason”).
Anyway, they are just not a crusading organization, and anyone who expects them to be will be disappointed.
30 articles from sullum says different.
Reason has never had an editorial policy. They encourage their writers and contributors to say what they really think, and are OK with reflecting a wide spectrum of libertarian thought.
Hope that helps in understanding how they roll.
Just like the NYT doesn't have an editorial policy outside of encouraging a wide spectrum of thought. In fact, you can even find libertarianism as represented by Jane Coaston https://reason.com/2021/07/18/meet-the-new-york-times-libertarian-podcaster/
/S
You mean the woke progressive leftist that says a few heterodox things she doesn't mean? Nah, they're as libertarian as Marx.
Listening to her was what made me fully believe in the concept of controlled opposition.
"Free market"
1000 page treaties signed by two governments detailing what can and can't be traded doesn't look anything like free market capitalism.
No, and neither does shutting down businesses, curfews, vaccine mandates, travel bans, and all of the other social distancing measures put in place by the government. But whether than expressing righteous fury and indignation at the loss of civil liberties, this supposedly libertarian website seemed more interested in not contradicting "the science". They were more interested in contradicting Trump and pushing the Republican party into a populist direction than in actually arguing for civil liberties.
Good analysis.
This does make sense. Thank you for posting it.
"And anyone working for a magazine called Reason should be able to make them in their sleep."
Are there any Libertarian publications you approve of and are sufficiently anti communist that you can recommend?
You know, libertarian stuff.
'Libertarians' have been so aligned with and made so many excuses for aligning with 'conservatives' (more accurately - just R's) over the decades that they are no longer able to tell the Hayekian direction of the train that conservatives had merely been trying to stop for decades.
Hayek understand that 'libertarians' then were liberals. The latter, a word that was difficult to reclaim meaning from in 1963. But now that 'conservatives' want to change direction - where that goal is now 'reactionary' (and not 'Old Whig' that Hayek preferred) - the failure of some 'libertarians' to keep their eye on that liberal prize means they are now becoming the useful idiots and the cheerleaders of reactionaries. Cheerleading because now the train is moving and who cares where it's going as long as its not progtardistan.
Jose Ortega y Gasset had imo a great explanation for how the individualism that underlies liberalism is not the same as the individualism that underlies the Fuck-You-All egoist mindset that is now supporting a move backwards.
Liberalism - it is well to recall this today - is the supreme form of generosity; it is the right which the majority concedes to minorities and hence it is the noblest cry that has ever resounded in this planet. It announces the determination to share existence with the enemy; more than that, with an enemy that is weak [the minority of one - the individual] . It was incredible that the human species should have arrived at so noble an attitude, so paradoxical, so refined, so acrobatic, so antinatural. Hence, it is not to be wondered at that this same humanity should soon appear anxious to get rid of it. It is a discipline too difficult and complex to take firm root on earth.
Wow, really well said.
Can we agree that "liberal" now is nowhere near (and in many ways opposes) the liberal of Hayek? And that state-mandated redistribution is not generosity? And that state-managed rights, assigned by official groups, is not noble?
If we can agree on something, we can only agree on what is. Not on what isn't.
I'm totally ok with the liberal of both Hayek and Ortega y Gasset
Then you must hate that the “progressive” orthodoxy considers itself “liberal”, then.
That's worse than 'libertarians' no longer considering themselves 'liberal'?
Without liberalism - what is libertarian?
Much like how “man”, “woman” and “vaccine” were redefined to fit a particular orthodoxy, the word “liberal” has been redefined to be a synonym to “statist authoritarian”.
If someone stole the word, then feel bad about the thieves not those from whom the word has been lifted.
the word “liberal” has been redefined to be a synonym to “statist authoritarian”.
A. Words aren't property. And especially not the property of a dead person.
B. Liberal was NEVER redefined to be that and even if someone (ie you) wants that to be some inarguable definition I reject that. As I said, I am perfectly ok with the use of the term liberalism above. THAT definition is quite easy to communicate to/with everyone (except you apparently).
Liberal used to mean someome open minded.
These days totalitatians wear it loudly and say any atrocity is just in the name of progress. JSlave agrees with the second, and don't try to change his mind.
In the vaccine case, it is conservative anti-vaxxed who are trying to irrationally control the definition of “vaccine”.
Yes, liberals and progressives have a tradition of bending the plain meaning of words, BUT it is also true that the definitions of words evolve in ways that make sense as new technologies are invented.
And, in the case of mRNA vaccines, the definition of “vaccine” hasn’t even changed. The mRNA vaccines are still a substance introduced to the body to induce a response from the immune system.
Hayek was right, but he was speaking of classical liberalism as opposed to left-liberalism. Today there’s nothing liberal about the left. Writing from Shiticon Hell in California I can say this isn’t our left-liberal father’s tax-and spend Oldsmobile. It’s a left-fascist armored vehicle. The illberal right (reactionary in. mr Doherty’s parlance) thinking described above is also profoundly against my grain, but how prevalent is it? The closest I can find today is Dugin in Putinist Russia—and he oozed forth from a National-Bolshevik background.
You completely miss the perspective Doherty set up front:
the libertarian is more than ever trapped on a hellish battlefield watching two dominant forces fight to destroy American liberty, for different goals and from different premises.
He clearly acknowledges the dangers of progressivism.
It is dumber than a Robby throat clear.
If you have to invoke French populism and a questionable attribution of their intellectual roots as a founding principle of modern conservative thought in America, maybe you are grasping at straws.
Just as we read our second reason treatise on the dangers of Catholic reactionary right wing thought (which was insanely bizarre), this article on some obscure trend among the college kids was being prepared.
I don't see it at all.
None of this is the guiding principle of contemporary conservatism.... The only relevant thing here is the label "reactionary"... Which is absolutely true.
There is no question that much of the heat on the right is a reaction to the obscene actions on the left.
And the answer to that is not handwringing about what some obscure subset of those who are reacting to the assault from the left might be thinking... The answer is to stop the assault from the left. The. You don't have the reaction.
See how easy that is?
The Reason strategy of pretending that the assault from the left isn't happening, but if it is it is t important, and even if it might touch important issues don't worry about it because Trump.... Well, that strategy is a loser.
To the extent that you have any success at all with that strategy, you guarantee that illiberal reactionaries become more important voices in the opposition, and the voices of liberty become less relevant.
Let's be blunt. Anyone who thinks this book represents where the real heat is coming from is an idiot. All you have to do is look around you to know that this is not the thing that should keep you up at night.
But a plethora of articles like this *is* something to worry about if you are not of the far left and you hope for a free society guided by libertarian ideals. Because, just pretending for a moment that such a movement actually was gaining ground... A kid who was interested in opposing the oppression that he feels heading his way might come to Reason to see what this Liberty thing is all about.
And instead of finding a full throated defense of liberty and an unapologetic condemnation of the illiberal forces on the left, he would find a group dedicated to telling us that the left isn't actually a danger, they are not the boogie men, there is no slippery slope..... But what we really need to worry about is dangerous right wing crazies who believe that people should be allowed to have opposing political opinions online. They will read that people really need to worry about catholic something or other that is totally a thing and scary right wing stuff... And not worry at all about left wing political violence and a compliant media who push their propaganda... Because that isn't actually a thing.
Now, which approach is more likely to create a reactionary right wing movement not rooted in principles of liberty?
See... Being libertarian is easy.
You stand on principle all the time, and you are always right.
What Cyto said. BP is more wrong than a broken clock, especially when the issues and ideas are straightforward. BP, you claim Cyto missed the author’s perspective while completely miss Cyto’s accurate criticism of that perspective. Are you really this stupid or just stepping up your trolling skills?
It would have been a lot easier if you'd just said "WHATABOUT?!? WHATABOUT?!? WHATABOUT?!?"
Literally the exact opposite of what Cyto said, but keep lashing out in anger you useful tool.
Agent orange: Get along with Syria/ISIS
Why are we fighting ISIS in Syria? Let them fight each other and pick up the remnants. I would talk to them, get along with them.
[Los Angeles, CA, 9/16/15]
dbruce, read:
https://www.fallacies.ca/subject.htm
Rudi tutti:
Pay down debt with money from crude oil
We'll make so much money from that, from energy. We are blessed with something. You will hear numbers in a little while. We will make so much money that we'll start to pay down our $19 trillion in debt.
[Bismark, ND, 5/26/16]
Here:
https://www.fallacies.ca/subject.htm
Amusing for you to bring up the debt considering that Biden's doing his damned hardest to raise it even further.
And again. This is what you do in every single criticism of the left. While at the same time almost exclusively using that argument in reverse. The dnc tried to push a 3 T dollar bill, and you respond with so did trump!
Youre such a fucking self deluded hypocrite.
so-called whataboutism is a completely valid counterpoint to bullshit
Yeah, but what about Stalin? And what about Breatharians? https://nypost.com/2017/06/15/breatharian-couple-survives-on-the-universes-energy-instead-of-food/ also... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inedia
When you say "Your guy is evil because he did X" and I respond with "But what about when your guy did exactly that?" , that is a perfectly valid criticism of your argument that my guy is evil. It shows you're not sincere or ignorant.
it shows that you dont actually believe that "Doing X is evil" it shows you believe that "not being my guy" is evil, which is an unserious, low IQ position.
Your critique of hyper-partisan tribalism (as I see being inherent in this business of "My-guy-good, Your-guy-bad", black-and white thinking) is entirely valid! SOME of us, though, see both the good and the bad in BOTH sides! "Your guy sucks", I say, while also fully realizing that "my guy" sucks as well... To get to the point, the "R" party evils do NOT justify, or negate, the "D" party evils, or vice versa! Two wrongs do NOT make a right! We saw Eric Garner strangled to death for mere suspicion of selling unauthorized "loosie" cigs... We do NOT "fix" that by going and doing the same thing to some white men, for "balance"!
Sad to say, hyperpartisans are so hyperpartisan that they can't be bothered to see this... Soooo... In conclusion... "My Tribe GOOD! Your tribe BAD!"
It is, except when you are saying it to someone who isn’t on Team Red or Blue, and you are talking about how “their guy” did it, too, except you are talking about someone who isn’t “their guy.”
That happened a lot around here.
LOL
It would be, if you didn’t bother to read his post.
"It would have been a lot easier if you'd just said "WHATABOUT?!? WHATABOUT?!? WHATABOUT?!?""
So are you arguing that Cyto is wrong, Sarc? Do you really think this book is actually describing a threat that Americans ought to be worried about? That young republicans are really reading the works of some French Reactionary?
You really think that is a pressing problem? Or are you just mad that someone would disagree that it is a problem?
They’ve gotten so rattled by BoAf sIdES! that it doesn’t matter that this book, and review of it, are ludicrous. They think the criticism is strictly because it’s against conservatives, and so the only defense it needs is that Trumptards should stop being so sensitive.
And by they I mean Deesarc.
Good post.
Both @JFree and @Mike Laursen need to read this.
He's reviewing a book for fuck's sake.
De Benoist's "identitarianism"?
A new conservative label for me at least. And very appropriate.
"human identity is always mediated through group membership" and that "human beings do not exist, even in their most private aspects, as mere individuals."
Is another distinguishing characteristic of Trumpism. The MAGA group is all that matters. Trumpism's hatred of the individual is on full display.
Excellent, Doherty! You've published the essay of the young year.
This has to be a parade account right? BP is too stupid to troll this well.
Parody account, stupid autocorrect
Parade account works, too.
So is Doherty a "parody account" as well?
Because I agree with Doherty, Welch, and Soave about 99% of the time.
No, but he's obviously doing a little brown-envelope work and some gaslighting.
The ruling class is currently burning down the Western world and its freedoms and democratic institutions right now, and it's using the left as its stalking horse.
To point at a literal handful of weirdos on the far right, while routinely ignoring the imposition of censorship and authoritarianism in Western institutions like Reason does, is insane.
It's like if German Jews in Treblinka during WW2 were fretting loudly about possible American antisemitism, and making excuses for the Nazis. Absolute bonkers.
Dumbo rump:
Bomb ISIS oil fields and then rebuild and keep oil
But I would bomb it. I would the keep it. I would then make deals with the big oil companies... We could go in there so fast. Do you ever see these people put up a rig, you wouldn’t believe what they can do. And we’ll rebuild it. Knock the hell out of it and then, don’t worry, we’ll rebuild it. Don’t try and save anything. And then, and I’m telling you, I just alluded to it, but I would take tremendous amounts. I would keep it. I would keep it. To the victor belong the spoils, you know? We’re the only one, we’re the only country where you win a war and we leave. We leave. [Waterville Valley, NH, 12/1/15]
https://www.fallacies.ca/subject.htm
Why do you keep committing the red herring fallacy, dbruce? If anyone feels like refuting him, then he/she is free to take that honor.
Until they say something against Democrats, then it’s all hands on deck.
Sure, subsuming the individual is indicative of the right, and certainly not the left (except those splinter groups called progressives, socialists, anti-racists, Democrats, etc. who actually endorse a theology that states that the individual is elite privilege, and we must submit to the collective).
Tu quoque much?
Learn how to use "tu quoque" properly, you gibbering idiot.
https://www.wordnik.com/words/tu%20quoque
It also literally means "you too" in latin, which is an ironic retort for the current king of "bowf sides" down here in the comments.
Drumpf Herman:
Rarely leave White House, not take vacation
Real estate mogul and reality TV star Donald Trump (R) says he wouldn’t get out much if he wins the Oval Office next year. “I would rarely leave the White House because there’s so much work to be done,” Trump, 69, tells ITK. "I would not be a president who took vacations. I would not be a president that takes time off. ... You don’t have time to take time off,” Trump adds.
[The Hill, 6/23/15]
I take it you weren't happy with Obama and all the presidents before him too, did you? Never mind the fact that Trump also did presidential duties during those days.
Anyways, you once again committed the deflection fallacy:
https://www.fallacies.ca/subject.htm
"there is no place outside of a particular culture from which human beings can think, feel, or communicate"
So you have to stick to your culture, and trying to use another one, say an Anglo Saxon person cooking Mexican food, is cultural misappropriation. Yep. Sure sounds Republican to me.
(/s, in case you couldn't figure that out)
BOTH SIDES—no matter how far you have to reach into the outer darkness to find the tiny, cowering Other Side.
"The Nazis were antisemitic in 1944, but so were some Americans, so they were both bad" - t. Reason
I had a hilarious dream last night about a movie, into whose reality I was gradually drawn, in which Jews, in reaction to the Nazis, staked out their own ghettoes in places like New York City — not just a single, unified Jewish ghetto, but one led by Orthodox rabbis, another by Reform, etc. into little fragments — and practiced anti-Gentilism there. I faced the 3 problems of dealing with prejudice against me, trying to interact with people who existed only in the past (captured on film), and needing to use the bathroom. That wasn't the whole dream, just the most entertaining part.
Go on...
Dr. lie:
Always tell the truth
But one thing I can promise you is this: I will always tell you the truth.
[Charlotte, NC, 8/18/16]
Were you like this for Obama and all other past presidencies, dbruce? Either way, you've changed the subject again:
https://www.fallacies.ca/subject.htm
If anyone else wants to refute dbruce's posts, then go and take the honor.
Again, did I miss any specific examples? I did skim a bit, but I didn’t see any. Which means the author didn’t even reach into the outer darkness, they created a narrative out of whole cloth.
He mentioned 2 magazines but didn't quote anything from them.
Which is worthless, other than to smear those publications without evidence. But I guess that’s how we “Reason” now.
One more thing that Reason seems to be intentionally avoiding....
Creating far right reactionary groups is one of the core goals of the far left at the moment. This is why BLM and Antifa exist. BLM calls everyone and everything racist. They push and push and push, hoping that someone will stand up and say "no, rocky road ice cream is not a symbol of white power and racism". They want people to identify with a racial group.... So they are pushing obscenely racist policies so that a reaction will be forthcoming.
Antifa assaults random people and then films the reaction, hoping for a response that they can put on the news. They create the Proud boys. They are the Nathan Phillips of the modern political landscape.
And these books are a part of the strategy. "Look!!! Look over here!!! I found what the right wing kids are doing!!!!". They hope to create a momentum by having people of the far left point to obscure groups... Hopefully banning them or protesting them, to elevate them.
They want a nutty right wing. They need it. They have to scare the center into their arms somehow. And proclaiming people to be misogynists if they don't like Captain Marvel isn't getting it done.
Also, division itself is a goal for the "unity" and "diversity" crowd. They are nothing if not labelled.
The left celebrates diversity in race, culture and sexuality while tolerating zero diversity in thought. No debate and no exchanging of ideas. Conform or get out. The difference as of late between the left and the right is that the right doesn't much like diversity in race, culture and sexuality. They're otherwise identical in their intolerance of anyone who deviates from their groupthink.
They celebrate diversity of culture by convincing them to focus solely on race and to self segregate.
You are fucking retarded.
Diversity for race*
I mean they call every black conservative a fucking uncle Tom
Then again you said all racists wore maga hats because you're a leftist piece of shit *
"WHATABOUT ANTIFA! WHATABOUT BLM! WHATABOUT THE FAR LEFT!" doesn't refute a single word of the article or the book it was reviewing.
It just makes you look like a reactionary conservative.
I'm sorry someone in the comments is criticizing your pedophile idols, sarcasmic
Your projection is getting gross. Please keep those thoughts to yourself.
Everyone can see your comments for themselves. You really are pathetic.
GG keeps calling me a pedophile. You two should get together and share your fantasies.
Everyone else read what he wrote: "your pedophile idols". Only you thought it was a personal identification.
This is an insanely stupid reaction that does not in any way address the points raised.
Just phoning it in today, are we?
They want a nutty right wing.
That happened without any contribution from the left.
QAnon, the Big Lie, Unite the Right, anti-vaccine, Alex Jones Trump-loving nutjobs were self cultivating.
It’s not about existence, it’s about who gets amplified by the media.
For example, a higher percentage of democrats think the 2016 election is invalid than republicans think the 2020 election is invalid.
But who is the anti-democracy party that doesn’t accept any elections they don’t win?
I'd have to go with the one that stormed the Capital to stop the outcome of the election. Or the one that attacks its own when they disagree with the person who lost the election. Maybe the one that has abandoned its party platform in favor of the whims of the person who lost the election. Tough choice.
You'd have to go with the leftist narrative over reality because you're a leftist.
Yep, cosplay is way more fun than those boring security agency head teleconferences and congressional hearings.
So now Jan 6 has gone from "mere tourists" to "cosplay" as if Congress was hosting Comicon?
Youre more concerned with unarmed rioters than you are with an active IC interfering with an elected politician.
Youre a leftist.
Have you even looked at the pictures from when the left stormed the USSC for Kavanaugh. Took over the wisconsin state Capitol. Fucking 100 nights in portland?
But you are fine with those because you're a leftist.
People don't even remember that rioting in Washington during Trump's inauguration:
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-inauguration-protests-idUSKBN1540J7?fbclid=IwAR0u0wvQGA_J2nbZFFGyxO4JyimBUsNR-jhWixTW29f6g5rXRewqXAiNivc
Actually, yes. What do you think the worst possible outcome of the Capitol "occupation" could have been? Do you seriously think that any scenario would have changed the course of Biden taking office?
From November 9–12, 2016, protests occurred in Oakland, California, against the election of Donald Trump. While originally peaceful, these protests became violent, with protesters lighting trash cans and cars and a building on fire and smashing store windows and throwing bottles at police. Thirty protesters were arrested, and three officers were injured.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Oakland_riots
Oakland is quite far from the national Capitol building. All riots are bad, but there is a qualitative difference.
What, do you think the Capitol is where we keep the magic stones?
The White House is pretty close:
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-inauguration-protests-idUSKBN1540J7
Yeah, in Oakland, peivate property was damaged.
At the Capitol, democracy was damaged.
Lol.
It sure was, in the inner chamber.
Explain how. Exactly.
Mike still contends BLM riots had no political effect on the nation.
Mike. You are a fucking idiot.
Tens of thousands of demonstrators took to the streets in cities across the country Wednesday to protest Donald Trump's election victory, in mostly peaceful gatherings that nonetheless resulted in at least 124 arrests and reports of damage, vandalism and injuries in several locations.
https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Politics/thousands-us-protest-president-elect-donald-trump/story?id=43427653
About 4,000 demonstrators gathered in the centre of the western city. Some smashed shop and car windows, threw firecrackers and set rubbish alight.
Police declared a riot and made 26 arrests. Oregon voted in favour of Hillary Clinton in Tuesday's election.
https://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-37946231.amp
‘Not Our President’: Protests Spread After Donald Trump’s Election
Thousands of people across the country marched, shut down highways, burned effigies and shouted angry slogans on Wednesday night to protest the election of Donald J. Trump as president.
Protests in the US against Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump’s election victory have turned violent as demonstrators take to the streets for a second day.
Thousands of protesters on Thursday threw objects at police in Portland, Oregon, and damaged a car park, the Portland Police Department said on Twitter.
https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2016/11/11/protests-against-donald-trumps-win-turn-violent
The Capitol Hill Occupied Protest or the Capitol Hill Organized Protest[6][7][8][9] (CHOP),[10][11] originally Free Capitol Hill[12][13] and later the Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone (CHAZ),[14] was an occupation protest and self-declared autonomous zone[1] in the Capitol Hill neighborhood of Seattle, Washington.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitol_Hill_Occupied_Protest
Why do we pretend that leftists and democrats don’t have organized, threatening responses to elections they don’t like?
Because Sarc’s a leftist. But he’s also very dishonest, so he’ll never acknowledge any of your links that just destroyed his lie.
Do you get that breaking into the Capitol building to try to stop the certification of the electoral college vote is qualitatively different from other riots?
And do you think it matters that the people facing protesters, violent or not, are street-beat cops, local officials, or members of congress? Are some animals more special than others?
We get that you stupidly see it that way.
Explain how and why, and what that means to you.
I just did explain how and why it is different.
Do I have to explain what democracy should mean to an American?
You repeating Democrat talking points doesn’t explain anything, other than that you’re a lefty.
Where?
Why? Americans live in a Republic.
Explain EXACTLY how democracy was "Damaged".
"the Big Lie"
What's "the Big Lie", Shrike, in your bosses current parlance? You want to explain it here for us?
Because there is a Big Lie, but I think it's rather different from the one team (D) is claiming.
You know what the Big Lie is.
Anti-democracy Trump keeps repeating the lie that the 2020 election was "rigged" and fraudulent.
Why a red state run by Republicans would do so is beyond comprehension.
And then the autocratic wannabe dictator told the Georgia SoS to go "find" him over 11,000 votes in an obvious corrupt power grab.
Biden said trump was an illegitimate president last year. Kamala 2 years ago. Clinton last year said Russia stole the election.
Wait, are you unaware of the historical usage of "The Big Lie"?
That is what makes the American version of Trump's Big Lie so egregious.
Trump makes it okay to behave like Hitler. ????????
Of course not.
All liars and propagandists need to be called out - Trump or Hitler.
Besides, not 1 in 1000 people can name what exactly Hitler's Big Lie was. They just know how repeating it makes it true to "the people".
Keep pushing chaff and redirect so the focus is moved away from the current administration.
And get professional help for your urges.
turd lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a TDS-addled pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
Oh Look. Darth Cheney, the henchman of Bushhitler is welcomed back into the Uniparty. Trump was a uniter after all.
https://www.google.com/search?q=dick+cheney+january+6&oq=dick+cheney+january+6&aqs=edge..69i57.1581j0j1&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
Well, he might shoot somebody in the face if they upset him. Or send thousands of troops to die for no reason in an overseas shithole.
Fortify Haliburton shares. He had useful idiots in congress that supported this military adventurism such as Biden and Hillary.
And then the autocratic wannabe dictator told the Georgia SoS to go "find" him over 11,000 votes in an obvious corrupt power grab."
You're taking his statement out of context so you can lie about it.
What Trump actually said: ""All I want to do is this, I just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have. Because we won the state."
You need to lie about this shit because if you didn't people would realize what you actually are.
"Anti-democracy Trump keeps repeating the lie that the 2020 election was "rigged" and fraudulent.
Five years on and Team Buttplug is literally doing this about 2016.
https://news.yahoo.com/hillary-clinton-maintains-2016-election-160716779.html
You're so shit at this, Shrike. If I were your boss at the fifty-cent factory I'd have canned you ages ago.
Why a red state run by Republicans would do so is beyond comprehension.
If it's a red state run by republicans then h ow did he lose there? Asking for a friend...
Not that hard to understand. Have your friend check out Arizona as an example.
Not hard to understand at all, bogus mail in votes and closed door counting. it's the Chicago way.
4000 double votes as proof of fake ballots.
Illegal ballot harvesting. Against the law but done regularly still here. Illegally.
The gop registered more voters than dems by a lot in Maricopa, yet idiots believe new dnc voters voters 2x the rate of new gop voters. Late night jumps when counted.
The Big Lie is that all are problems are caused by capitalism, and you deserve whatever you think you need just because you exist.
There can be more than one Big Lie at a time. Just sayin’
Like J6 was an iNsurrEction?
18 U.S. Code § 2383 - Rebellion or insurrection:
Whoever incites, sets on foot, assists, or engages in any rebellion or insurrection against the authority of the United States or the laws thereof, or gives aid or comfort thereto, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.
Which nobody did, you sinister, authoritarian fuck.
I’m assuming fire extinguishers and zip ties were all part of just one big lie?
Black momba:
African-Americans will be proud of what Trump does in inner cities during his term.
We will be working on making our inner cities and African-American people who have suffered so long in these unsafe horrible places, they will be so proud of what takes place over the next four years if I’m elected president.
[Austin, TX, 8/23/16]
wilbur trump wright made an awkward blunder during his speech on Independence Day, praising the army, which he said “took over the airports” from the British during the revolutionary war in the late 1700s.
Will build a wall within two years.
I would say it'll be complete within two years from the time we start. We'll start quickly. We'll start quickly. And it'll be a real wall. It'll be a real wall.
[Fox News - Hannity, 4/13/16]
turd lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a TDSs-addled asshole and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
turd is a pathological liar and a TDS-addled asshole besides, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
"Antifa assaults random people and then films the reaction, hoping for a response that they can put on the news."
Antifa's sole purpose during summer 2020 was to ensure that BLM's mainstream reforms never succeeded. The entire world was united and marching for police reforms, and the Socialists behind Antifa started burning shit down. They did it because the last thing they want is for peaceful protests to work- because they want a revolution.
The Caped Madman?
We get it Cyto.
EVERYTHING IS TEAM BLUE'S FAULT
That the Republican Party is now more closely associated with nationalistic xenophobia rather than free markets is totally the fault of Democrats. Got it.
Yes, it is the Dems' fault. We can agree on that.
As for actual structural racism, I believe you're barking up the wrong tree. There's only one political party that habitually segregates and denigrates those it claims to protect, and its leading representative currently is taking naps in office before going after those diverse super predators again.
That pretty well sums up about half the regulars on these here comments.
Tell us again how concentration camps and holding people indefinitely for political views are good things
You should go to nursing homes and hunt down Holocaust survivors so you can punch them in the face until they admit that quarantines are the same as death camps.
That's a really weird thing to say.
You're the one saying that quarantines are concentration camps, which are synonymous with death camps. Anyone who was in an actual concentration camp would take great offence to this. Well you need to set them straight the only way you know how. With violence. So get moving. Start punching Holocaust survivors in the face until they admit leftists are putting conservatives in death camps. That's what you are saying.
Like this guy.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-10368029/Holocaust-survivor-slams-Carollynn-Xavier-unvaccinated-camp-joke-showing-buzz-cut.html
What an asshole. You really need to punch him in the face until he agrees with you.
Then he's an idiot, because in 1941 most interned Jews were still alive and patiently waiting to be expelled to Madagascar.
Be good on women's health issues.
Nobody is going to be better on women's health issues than Donald Trump.
[New Hampshire, 8/19/15]
Maybe you want to explain why your "quarantine camps" are forcibly confining people who don't have Covid, never tested positive for Covid, and never did have Covid, but instead fell afoul of authorities. Because it's happening, a lot.
They aren't quarantine camps if half the people interned were never infected, you authoritarian shill.
Davie duke:
Implement database to track Muslims in the country
Q: Should there be a database system that tracks Muslims who are in this country? TRUMP: There should be a lot of systems. Beyond database, we should have a lot of systems and today you can do it. But right now, we have to have a border, we have to have strength, we have to have a wall and we cannot let what's happening to this country happen -- Oh, I would certainly implement that. Absolutely.
[Fox News, 11/20/15]
Youre the one saying forced government camps of even the non infected is fine because they labeled them quarantine camps.
Sarc’s position seems to be that as long as they don’t end up in ovens, it’s fine to lock people in a camp against their will.
It's not even so long as they don't end up there, it's as long as they're not currently in ovens it's ok
He was probably referring to the actual camps in Australia.
So Sarc, are you saying that a Japanese person would be insulting Jews if he claimed that he was in a Concentration Camp run by the US during WWII?
Yup. The Japs were rounded up into internment camps, not concentration camps. They weren't starved or worked to death.
Yes what was done to them was terrible and wrong. But it by no means compares to what happened across the Atlantic.
"The Japs were rounded up into internment camps, not concentration camps. They weren't starved or worked to death."
This is incorrect. The Japanese Internment was a phase when the Japanese along the coasts were forced to relocate inland, or to relocate to Concentration Camps. A concentration camp is a place where "risky" people are *concentrated* together so that they are not mixed with the general population, and can be better managed. They were called Concentration camps during the Cuban-Spanish war. They were called Concentration Camps in the US, and in Germany. And it was only after the German Holocaust that people started to make these bizarre distinctions.
To be clear, "Internment Camps" were generally temporary camps to house people actually convicted of a crime.
Nobody (to my knowledge) is claiming that Australia has decided on a Final Solution plan for the Non-Vaccinated. They are saying that Australia is putting people in concentration camps. The fact that the Germans, Spanish, Chinese and Americans have done the same is quite comparable. Does that mean the Quarantine Camps will end in death like the German camps? No. But that is not what made them Concentration Camps in the first place.
Sarc. Do you not really know what the word concentrated means?
Maybe explain it to him in units of proof
How fucking broken must a libertarian be to argue on behalf of any government forced camp, regardless of the adjectives involved.
It's the logical conclusion of calling quarantines "concentration camps."
The purpose of that comparison is to bring up images of walking skeletons and piles of corpses. Of smiling guards in snappy uniforms. Of millions of lives being extinguished.
If you're going to keep up the comparison, then embrace the fullness of it.
And beat down anyone who takes offense.
I do.
But because I'm not an a Gestapo thug like you, I won't beat people down for disagreement.
But he deserves it so very much.
Adolf scrooge:
Going to donate all proceeds from "Crippled America" to charity
In fact, I'm doing a book because Simon and Schuster, great company, came to me, they want me to do a book. Do you believe this? So I said, I'll do it and they made a big payment. I'm gonna give it to charity, all of it. Big payment. A lot of money.
[Waterloo, IA, 10/7/15]
(took charity away from him)
Snappy uniforms? Do you have a thing for Irma Grese? (You can tell us, you’re among friends here)
Under Cuomo, nursing homes were death camps.
In fairness, aren't nursing homes usually death camps?
Yeah but Cuomo installed a quick checkout lane.
Sarc: everyone who disagrees with me or points lut I'm a leftist retard is a rightest!!!!
Also Sarc: stop calling me a leftist despite my comments and the fact I do the same in reverse.
Sarc, that was a tu quoque by the way. I used it because I'm pointing out what a hypocritical shit weasel you are.
“ In right-wing publications such as American Greatness and The American Mind, we see arguments that order outweighs liberty, that autarchy and cultural purity outweigh free markets and free movement.”
Tell me you think vaccine mandates, vaccine passports, and mask mandates to keep the public body’s precious fluids pure are conservative authoritarianism without telling me vaccine mandates, vaccine passports, and mask mandates to keep the public body’s precious fluids pure are conservative authoritarianism.
But as I noted here Friday, liberalism, while it is the solution to some of the world's big problems and would mitigate some of the others, is not the solution to all of them. No broad ideology is. I do think some ideas dubbed reactionary can help, although reaction as a broad ideology, if it can even be said to be one, would not.
https://theaeroapps.com/
You see trap, I see opportunity. It's a trap only if you think friends need to be handed to us on a silver platter or not at all.
"the libertarian is more than ever trapped on a hellish battlefield watching two dominant forces fight to destroy American liberty"
What utter bullshit.
One side is a group of edgy teens shocking their establishmentarian moms, and the other is the policy gurus, the bureaucratic overlords, the captains of industry, billionaire titans, political kingpins, the media mavens and the ivory towers of academia.
One side holds all the world's power and the other shitposts on 4chan during their break at Arby's.
This is gaslighting of the highest order.
^Absolutely THIS^
The attack trolls on this site are great examples of reactionary conservatives who despise liberty while promoting autocratic rule to crush their political enemies.
Your self hatred is the only real thing in your life
The projection is strong in this one.
Daily reminder of who the real troll here is.
sarcasmic
August.12.2021 at 4:45 pm
I only show up to watch the clowns duke it out while tossing in this or that provocation. Bread and circuses. This is a circus.
sarcasmic
September.10.2021 at 12:14 pm
I like to stir shit up here. So what.
Work with Congress to introduce for passage in the first 100 days the American Energy and Infrastructure Act to spur $1 trillion in infrastructure spending.
Next, I will work with Congress to introduce the following broader legislative measures and fight for their passage within the first 100 days of my administration. ... The American Energy and Infrastructure Act, leverages public/private partnerships and private investment through tax incentives to spur $1 trillion in infrastructure investment over the next ten years.
[Gettysburg, PA, 10/22/16].
And a bullseye.
"The attack trolls on this site are great examples of reactionary conservatives who despise liberty while promoting autocratic rule to crush their political enemies."
This is terrible hyperbole from you. The Trumpaloo agenda (generally protectionist nativism) wasn't pro globalist liberty, but neither was it "Autocratic Rule". That's absurd. I tend to agree that the usual suspects give far too little credit to Reason, but the idea that they are Autocrats is just wrong, and pretty much signals that you are just as broken as they are.
One of the big criticisms Trump had was that he was relying on the states to handle policies instead of dictating it top-down.
The left has been trampling "liberalism" for over a century, basically since the Civil War showed that the federal government could accomplish something in four years (abolish slavery) which decades of mostly peaceful efforts had not been able to do. The fact that close to a million died was immaterial.
As shown by its name, "reactionary" politics is a reaction to the century-plus destruction of liberalism. The modern choice is woke vs old-fashioned authoritarianism.
It seems worse than usual probably in large part because we live in the current times, not historical. If it is in fact worse, that is because government has grown so big that it meddles in daily life far more than before, and the stakes of controlling that meddlesome giant are higher.
The only solution is smaller government. That's about as likely as either side peacefully giving in to the other.
It started with income tax, then the fed, then women's suffrage, then the outright stalinism of the new deal.
I find it to be rather humorous that the same people who whine and cry about "BOAF SIDES" whine and cry when Reason runs something critical of their political tribe without giving equal attention to the other side.
I find it to be rather humorous that the guy who rushes in to troll and harass anyone who criticizes the Democrats, is crying "Partisans!" here.
Be good on women's health issues.
Nobody is going to be better on women's health issues than Donald Trump.
[New Hampshire, 8/19/15]
An article about how bad the left is includes a "both sides" warning about the impending Fourth Reich while only timidly addressing the policy failure aspect of the left rather than its philosophical danger and evil, all consuming nature.
An article against the reactionary right makes no mention of the currently more formed and dangerous threats coming from the left.
When you read those in total, the balance is not "both sides are bad" but "one side makes mistakes while the other is the Nazi party" while ignoring the outsized amount of violence, censorship, racism, etc that is not "around the corner" like the right-wing stuff is (at worst) but is happening before our eyes from parts of the left that are increasingly being mainstreamed.
Yeah... both are shit and dangerous. But one is trying to destroy me right now. The other is tired of standing with me in the victim group and is lashing out so they can be the ones in charge instead. I don't benefit from either... but only one is actually a real threat at the moment.
It's praising with faint damn.
It’s not because “they picked on the right”. It’s because the left is objectively more of a threat to liberty and freedom.
https://twitter.com/ScottAdamsSays/status/1480174426335309824?t=azNpLXjibpjTTA9gdZWykw&s=19
Does anyone on the political right believe this is a real group? [Link]
They couldn't be more obviously FBI if they were tattooed "Property of 935 Pennsylvania Ave".
No fatties, nobody short, no teens and no old guys, everyone isn't just physically fit but athletic, all have the same watches, preppy chinos and navy jackets, no realtree camo pants and unkept beards. Finally they toss their flags in the backs of their vehicles when done instead of treating them like holy relics like the patriot guys do.
I don't know why a bunch of federal agents are pretending to be a racist protester group, but it can't possibly be for anything good.
Yeah but they didn’t shoot anybody so no harm no foul.
— Deesarc
We will produce 25 million jobs over a period of 10 years as sure as you are standing there. OOOPS
obvious false flag operation. I think I see Ray Epps in that vid.
It's The Untrustables. But i'm sure that Juicy Smollett feels vindicated.
https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1480081899121000451?t=53FtMEevz0gphbwehl_ctg&s=19
Biden after touring wildfire damage in Colorado that destroyed more than 1,000 homes: “We’re gonna have windmills, you’re gonna see that have 100-yard wingspans, each, each propeller on that on that windmill, 100 yards long. So there’s so much that’s going to be able to be done.” [link]
In his current mental state he might actually believe windmills will stop forest fires.
He needs something to tilt at. Sancho Harris agrees.
Lol
Sarcasmic level mindfulness.
Fun thread
https://twitter.com/jonreyes204/status/1479819770597888000?t=IvS40vXK3yFb8K608USEKQ&s=19
Even after a 12 hour night shift at the hospital last night, my wife still has the energy to shovel the driveway. God bless her and all our frontliners. Time to make her some breakfast.
Why are you on Twitter anyway? Don't the censor anyone who agrees with you? That means you're going to get nothing but infuriating garbage. No wonder you're angry all the time.
Well that touched a nerve, Nardz. Look at him go. There's a reason why he's divorced.
Thanks for the laugh.
In sarc’s defense, maybe he divorced her. And why would he want to stay with a woman that thought he was good enough to marry?
Get Carl Icahn and other "geniuses" to negotiate with countries to bring jobs back.
I would immediately get Carl Icahn and the greatest geniuses of negotiating, and we would work on Japan and China and Mexico because they're taking our job, and I want to bring our jobs back.
[Fox News, 11/3/15]
Tulpa?
Ha sarcs wife left his alcoholic retard ass
https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1479899563515330560?t=ExnFQ9r-Cy6FLPrI1_fhRA&s=19
That 2 of the US's largest social media giants actively censored reporting about the Biden family based on genuine documents 3 weeks before the election is one of the most alarming cases in years, but most media outlets *supported* the censorship because it helped Biden. If not:
"If Twitter & Facebook had suspended the NY Times for publishing the incriminating contents of @DonaldJTrumpJr’s laptop right before the election, the Democratic congress would be using their power to literally destroy those companies."
But the most overlooked component of this scandal the media role. They all enabled this censorship by spreading and ratifying the outright lie from CIA and other intel officials that these docs were "Russian disinformation."
Once that was disproven, they never acknowledged it.
To this day, you can go to most major outlets -- NBC News, NYT, CNN, Atlantic, almost all of them -- and find the CIA lie that the Biden docs were Russian disinformation. Even once a book by a POLITICO reporter proved they were real, those outlets ignored that and left that lie.
This episode shows how these corporate outlets work. All their editors know about @SchreckReports's book confirming the docs' authenticity. But since the only two constituencies they care about ignored it - other outlets and liberals on Twitter - there was no need to retract it.
All editors and reporters at these "prestige" outlets know they spread a CIA-concocted lie right before the election. They know there is dispositive proof the docs are real. But they never mentioned the book or retracted because it's a pact of silence.
[Link]
Glenn Greenwald is my favorite liberal
He might be the only liberal.
Taibbi and Weiss have both gotten decent. Of course all 3 had to leave the corporation jobs.
"For portions of the MAGA right, the stakes in politics seem unbearably high. They imagine their elections stolen without consequences, their children menaced by transsexuals in the schools, their fathers' manufacturing jobs shipped away by globalist corporations that mock their values. People whose worldviews sicken them seem to control every citadel of political and cultural power and to brook no opposition.' How does one write this with any degree of integrity, without comprehending the hypocrisy of the statement and the comparison that is made by the daily/weekly actions of the population to whom Doherty gives backhanded defense? For the left: silence is violence, everyone and everything is racist/homophobic/transphobic/misogynist/fatphobic/agist/ablist/Islamophobic. All power struggles are zero sum, and must be won by any means necessary. All institutions, regardless of how demonstrably left-leaning, are right-leaning unless they purity test daily if not hourly, and perhaps not then. Elections are stolen due to voter suppression and the white nationalist menace of requiring an identification card to vote. Jobs are stolen by the white cisheteronormative patriarchy selecting those most qualified to perform the task. These assertions are known to be true, and must not be questioned. If one is going to try the 'both sides' argument, then the two groups should be close to the same level. This is not the case. The right is overall more permissive and mature, and does not have control or impact the same areas that the left does. The right, for all their faults, tends to be more live and let live. The far right is another story.
The left will force you to bake a cake and bend the knee. The right is overly zealous about stopping illegal immigration but whatever they are BOF DA SAME.
And even tk "moderate" left is kil or be killed. Notice that there is no such thing as too far left for theses cancers
Ted Cruz correctly called the Jan 6 Trump mob out for a "violent terrorist attack" this past week.
Then when the Trump sycophants attacked Cruz he backed off his comment and apologized.
This is how sick the GOP has become.
Truly, that is a horrendous story.
Not exactly. It wasn’t “Trump sycophants”; it was Tucker Carlson.
It was violent alright, just not in the way you two clowns pretend.
Two women were murdered by the violent side.
White Mike has never spoken out against his kiddie porn posting ally for posting kiddie porn.
We know there are federal agents that monitor these boards (q.v., WoodchipperGate). Amazed they never went after the real monsters.
He isn't a QAnon liar like you Trump cultists are.
But, SPB: You are a pedophile. You posted CP to reason comments. Everyone knows you did it. As much as you want to ignore it, everyone knows you did it. The fact that Mike and Jeff and even Sarc seem to give you a pass for it is a bit creepy.
It is actually pretty sad that their Tribal politics lead them to line up along side you.
The lefties that give Pluggo a pass are immoral. Have challenged a few of them about it directly and they always change the subject. I’m not sure if it is a mental dysfunction of being progressive or some other reason.
Everyone knows you did it.
Just like everyone knows I'm a leftist who voted for Biden, fucks my daughter, is drunk 24/7, and employed by Reason to run Squirrely and a host of other socks around the clock.
And I do it all at a library computer when I'm not sleeping in a carboard box.
That’s quite the list you’ve compiled.
Admitting it is his first step on the road to recovery by recognizing that he has a problem
I don't know if you fuck your daughter, but you're definitely a leftist drunk who runs a few socks here.
Don't worry though, nobody thinks you're a fifty-center or working for Reason. You obviously lack the intellectual capacity to pass over that low bar. You just do it because you're a troll.
Y'all are suck-such HUUUUGE packs of liars!!! Classic Big Lie... Repeat the lies over and over again, and they become TRUE!!!
I know, 'cause Tulpa started some shit WAAAY back when, about me deliberately eating shit, and 'fessing up to it, on these pages!!!! I have often asked for a cite, and I never get one! If I ever wrote that down... And it was NOT Mammary-Fuhrer ID-stealing me, as Mammary-Fuhrer has actually 'fessed up to doing... Then trotting out the cite where I said it would be a cake-walk! But of course, no.... NO cites!
Again, y'all endlessly repeat the same old lies about both posters (here) and politics... It gets old, ye boring, brainless wonders!
Miss Manners says "Quit talking with your mouth full of shit".
To Hell with Miss Manners; How about Dear Abby?!?!?
Here ya go, Fats of Flabbiness!!!
“Dear Abby” is a personal friend of mine. She gets some VERY strange letters! For my amusement, she forwards some of them to me from time to time. Here is a relevant one:
Dear Abby, Dear Abby,
My life is a mess,
Even Bill Clinton won’t stain my dress,
I whinny seductively for the horses,
They tell me my picnic is short a few courses,
My real name is Mary Stack,
NO ONE wants my hairy crack!
On disability, I live all alone,
Spend desperate nights by the phone,
I found a man named Richard (Dick) Decker,
But he won’t give me his hairy pecker!
Dick Decker’s pecker is reserved for farm beasts,
I am beastly, yes! But my crack’s full of yeasts!
So Dear Abby, that’s just a poetic summary… You can read about the Love of my Life, Richard Decker, here:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/10/11/farmers-kept-refusing-let-him-have-sex-with-their-animals-so-he-sought-revenge-authorities-say/#comments-wrapper
Farmers kept refusing to let him have sex with their animals. So he sought revenge, authorities say.
Decker the hairy pecker told me a summary of his story as below:
Decker: “Can I have sex with your horse?”
Farmer: “Lemme go ask the horse.”
Pause…
Farmer: “My horse says ‘neigh’!”
And THAT was straight from the horse’s mouth! I’m not horsin’ around, here, no mare!
So Richard Decker the hairy pecker told me that, apparently never even realizing just HOW DEEPLY it hurt me, that he was all interested in farm beasts, while totally ignoring MEEE!!
So I thought maybe I could at least liven up my lonely-heart social life, by refining my common interests that I share with Richard Decker… I, too, like to have sex with horses!
But Dear Abby, the horses ALL keep on saying “neigh” to my whinnying sexual advances!
Some tell me that my whinnying is too whiny… Abby, I don’t know how to fix it!
Dear Abby, please don’t tell me “get therapy”… I can’t afford it on my disability check!
Now, along with my crack full of yeasts… I am developing anorexia! Some are calling me a “quarter pounder with cheese”, but they are NOT interested at ALL, in eating me!!! They will NOT snack on my crack!
What will I DO, Dear Abby?!?!?
-Desperately Seeking Horses, Men, or ANYTHING, in Fort Worth,
Yours Truly,
Fats of Flabbiness / R Mac / Mary Stack / Tulpa / Mary’s Period / “.” / Satan
"Just like everyone knows I'm a leftist who voted for Biden, fucks my daughter, is drunk 24/7, and employed by Reason to run Squirrely and a host of other socks around the clock."
No. Not like that at all. I was here when SPB did it- weren't you? It is the reason why his first account was banned. He was one of the very few posters ever at reason to get banned.
Are you really denying this?
He won’t spend pixels condemning the commenter that posted child pornography here.
I wasn't at that party, but I know most of the attendees are malicious liars.
Sarc just called Overt a malicious liar.
Trump isn’t in office. Biden is. And Trump never got a vote of mine. Your chaff and redirect is at kindergarten level. And probably not the only thing there.
Will expose Joe Scarborough's relationship with Mika
Some day, when things calm down, I'll tell the real story of @JoeNBC and his very insecure long-time girlfriend, @morningmika. Two clowns!
[Twitter, 8/22/16]
urd lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a pathological liar and a TDS-addled asshole besides, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
because it wasn't a 'violent terrorist attack?' Only cnn junkies and journos believe it was. Even the dems in congress are just posturing for political points.
Cruz called Jan 6 a "violent terrorist attack" 17 times.
Cruz also abandoned Texas and his constituents during the recent ice storm. Is Cruz the authority? Is he the narrator? Some NBA player said the earth is flat. Who gives a fuck?
Protesters that trespass =/ violence.
so now you put stock in Ted Cruz eh? Interesting.
Cruz doesn't think highly of the capitol hall monitors eh?
Quick questions. Were libertarians better off with Arne Dunkin or Nancy DeVoss? How about Merrick Garland or Neil Gorsuch? What about Trump's "isolationism" versus the Bush/Obama/Biden neocons? Would a libertarian have more freedom in New York or Florida?
But mean tweets!!!! I can't believe you Nazi-lover! Why can't you accept that Trump is bad (but what I really mean by that is that he is the worst ever... even worse than Hitler!)
Shit. I totally forgot about the tweets. My bad.
Trump had horrible immigration policies.
Now get vaxxed and wear a mask everywhere or stay home in house arrest, you disgusting disease vector.
I'm a deplorable Trumpist or Trumpista or whatever you imagine. I don't care if I kill your grandma.
You forgot the bit about reimplementing the horrible policies to no notice from the Media.
More prof that we need to abandon the outdated designations of "left" and "right" and focus on the continuum from individual freedoms to government control of individuals.
(and to ride my favorite hobby horse, who got to paint the republicans with the red of communism?)
“Political tags — such as royalist, communist, democrat, populist, fascist, liberal, conservative, and so forth — are never basic criteria. The human race divides politically into those who want people to be controlled and those who have no such desire. The former are idealists acting from highest motives for the greatest good of the greatest number. The latter are surly curmudgeons, suspicious and lacking in altruism. But they are more comfortable neighbors than the other sort.”
― Robert A. Heinlein
How many times above did you call everyone you despite a right winger or authoritarian shit weasel?
It used to flip back and forth but it’s been locked in since Bush v Gore for some reason….
What we see in Trump supporters is a reaction to elitism, rather than an authoritarian ideology, and I think we're misreading stage right populism when we give it ideological underpinnings. The white, blue collar, middle class was treated like garbage by both Democrat politicians and the media through the Obama administration and right up until today. Populism in all its forms is always a reaction to elitism. Their reaction to that elitism has no specific ideological component. It's just a reaction to being treated like garbage by the elite.
In the elitist narrative, white people are inherently racist because they're white, Christians are fundamentally homophobic, blue collar people are fundamentally stupid because they're uneducated, and the middle class is fundamentally selfish and evil--for refusing to sacrifice their standard of living for climate change, for refusing to sacrifice their white privilege, etc. Suffice it to say, in the elitist narrative, average Americans are the enemy of all that's good and holy--and the Trump supporting populists have noticed that average Americans are being treated like the enemy.
It's surprising how often the progressive assumption is that politicians should not only ignore the desires of their constituents but actively suppress them. Manchin and Sinema have been demonized by progressives for representing the views of their states' constituents in Washington DC rather than representing the views of Washington DC's progressives to the unwashed masses in Arizona and West Virginia. I maintain that this kind of progressive elitism is the driving force behind populism--on a list of issues--and their elitism is ultimately the largest threat to liberal institutions.
In all of its forms, from left to right, populism is a reaction to elitism, and once you convince people that the purpose of democratic institutions is no longer to represent the views of the people--but to legitimize a political elite inflicting its views on an unwilling population--those people will lose faith in liberal, democratic institutions. In short, if the people cannot have a voice in policy because an entrenched elite is contemptuous of their deplorable views, then they're right to lose their faith in liberal institutions to reflect their views--and we're right to fear them turning to harsher methods.
We need to remember, however, that the ultimate liberal solution to the problem of an entrenched elite threatening liberal institutions, to the point that populism takes off, is democracy itself. One year from now, the threat of the authoritarian populist menace storming liberal institutions like a bunch of authoritarians will seem ridiculous--if and when the Republicans take the House, the Republicans take control of the Senate, and the most interesting discussion in Washington is about who the Democrats will run for president in 2024.
To the extent that elitist progressives in the Democratic party have pushed unpopular policies on an unwilling population is the extent to which we should expect to see Democrats lose the elections and their power in 2022. 23 (twenty three) House Democrats have chosen not to run for reelection in 2022--most of them, presumably, because they expect to lose. I would be far more worried about the inability of our liberal institutions to reflect the views of Trump supporting Americans if everyone--including House Democrats themselves--weren't expecting Democrats to lose control of the House in 2022.
Authoritarians within the populist movement will have a hard time convincing their fellow populists that their voices don't matter in Washington after Pelosi is forced into retirement, Schumer is being challenged as the minority leader in the Senate, and everyone is waiting for Joe Biden to announce his retirement rather than deal with a Republican Congress. Maybe the people who've really lost faith in liberal institutions are the liberal elites. For me, I fully expect the liberal institution of Congress to be dominated by Republicans after 2022--because of the participation of Trump supporters.
Wanting Congress to reflect the will of the people on issues that are within the proper purview of democracy--even if we disagree with them--isn't that what it means to believe in liberal institutions?
But you spent an entire month explaining the difference between totalitarianism and authoritarianism, how much worse totalitarianism is than authoritarianism, how Democrats are totalitarians and Republicans are "mere" authoritarians, and how because of this we must support authoritarian Republicans.
But you back peddled on the "authoritarians are less-bad so vote for them" message and muted me for pointing out the logic of your own words.
Thing is, you were right the first time. Democrats are totalitarians, and Republicans are authoritarians.
Which is why we should support neither.
Ideas. He never talks about people. Mute mute mute! Discuss ideas guys!
Learn to read, sarcasmic. And stop misinterpreting Ken's statements into a something else that you can then attack.
"The results of the gubernatorial elections in New Jersey and Virginia were bad omens — but not as bad as the results of state legislative races."
----Matthew Yglesias, November 4, 2021
https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2021-11-04/virginia-new-jersey-election-results-worse-than-democrats-realize
Didn't the progressive elitists just get their asses handed to them two months ago? McAuliffe didn't lose for just no reason either. To some extent, his loss was tied to a quintessentially elitist statement:
"I don't think parents should be telling schools what they should teach"
----Democrat Terry McAuliffe
You can hold the views of average people in contempt, but you can't avoid the negative consequences of doing so everywhere across the country--elitism can even lose you an election in a blue state like Virginia! I'll get worried about populist voters turning against liberal institutions for real when I become convinced that elitism can't or doesn't defeat the party in power. You can win an election in most of America despite being an elitist if there are larger issues at stake, but you can't win an election in most of American because you're contemptuous of the views of your constituents.
To make a long story short. Voters making “X” percentage of medium income must transfer their ability to save/wealth to voters making below “X” percentage of median income. Democrats honestly believe that voters making “X” percentage of median income will not notice.
Shame and blame worked in Maos revolution (new buzz words: racists, nimbys, xenophobic, TERFs). It does work in the U.S.
And yet the Build Back Better bill is all but dead due to lack of popular support in West Virginia. The progressives cannot deliver more than what they take, and what they want to take has a big impact on the living standards of the middle class. The reason much of ObamaCare imploded was because while they promise the middle class more than they're asked to sacrifice, they can't deliver on that. ObamaCare did NOT mean lower insurance premiums for the middle class--it meant higher premiums.
Again, they can't escape the negative consequences of their progressive policies in the real world--and that's true everywhere. The middle class of Venezuela isn't better off because Chavez and Maduro nationalized the oil industry and food distribution. Even the poor of Venezuela went without gasoline and food. Don't focus too much on what the progressives promise. Pay attention to the negative consequences, which are both foreseeable and foreseen--even by poor people in places like West Virginia.
Even at this late date, the twinkletarians at Reason can still write an article that brings a smile to my face.
One reason reactionary ideas are gaining currency is people are realizing that liberal "freedom" is only enjoyed by perverts, parasite, criminals and invaders. Anyone not particularly interested in "celebrating" those things finds themselves with increasingly less freedom every day.
Given that people are starting to realize that their choice isn't between authoritarianism and a hypothetical freedom that never seems to materialize for them, but competing flavors of authoritarianism, it's not a surprise that they're choosing the flavor that at least keeps trannies out of the ladies room. Better to live under enforced order than enforced chaos.
And .. dont forget covid fascism has neatly divided itself along political lines for some reason. It started off as a way for liberals to call republicans racist for being concerned about the virus but quickly morphed into opportunistic medical police state by the communists. With a convenient shibboleth required for identifying adherents in their masks...
The elits, commies, and highly paid white collar 'remote workers' are all for covid fascism adn the rest of the country is like, WTF?
It isn't something I can say to most people because they hear what they want rather than the whole of my position.
If I had the power... I would stop socialists and fascists from ever having power. But if I had to choose which I had to live under of there was no other option... I would choose fascism. Chile over Cambodia. Italy over Cuba. And if I weren't Jewish (which could change things) Germany over Russia. And fuck China from the get-go.
People are starting to understand this. But the danger is that as young people drift away from socialism, they think in a binary way that leads them to thinking fascism is good. This leads to the active elements of right-wing politics today (Proud Boys etc). Most people start to think "the enemy of my enemy is my friend."
We need to dissuade people from that trap. But it is hard to do when our position has failed to yield any success in the last however many years.
I know several ex-libertarians who are now of the very far-right persuasion. The reason given was "Being peaceful with the person trying to destroy me is stupid. In my defense, I must now become as violent as my attacker. It is self-defense." And in that... they are right. Libertarians preach peace (as we should) but we have seemed to give up the glorification of violence used in self-defense and limited by our principles. And it should be glorified. Someone who shoots and kills a would-be rapist is a hero. They defended their rights... that is a worthy accomplishment. If we are unwilling to defend that which we value, and accept the framing that even when we do we should still feel bad about it, then just how much do we really value it? If rights are of the highest value... protecting them should bring honor. But I don't see that anywhere. And it does not mean we abandon peace, love, respect, etc for others. In fact, a willingness to defend the rights of others is an expression of those values.
I can't truely respect your humanity and seek to enslave or control you. I do not value your hopes and dreams if I am stealing your means to achieve them. I don't value your life if I don't let you live it how you want. Libertarians should be grounded in these ideas of respect and love.
But it seems that at the highest levels... we aren't. And the failure there means that there is no realistic option for the victim of leftism other than rightism unless and until we provide one.
Well reasoned.
I would also reluctantly choose fascism over socialism. But I am a white Anglo male.
You get it. Fascism is a disease of the right. But socialism is a fatal condition of the left.
Progressives that worship at the altars of CRT, CAGW and/or covid panic and support draconian measures to impose those beliefs are fascists.
Remind me what your stance on Kyle Rittenhouse was?
His stance is that Kyle was a few years too old.
I don't see any conflict between libertarianism and self-defense.
Waaay too rational for anyone (REASON editorial staff) trying to gin up a right-wing boogeyman to equal the evil we see in the news every day from the "left" (which means only "the people I mean when I say 'the "left"').
And for that matter, note how casually people throw out "The Proud Boys" as equal to Antifa, BLM, inner city gangs and socialist public employee unions all put together, when all they've ever done is maybe instigate street fights with people who were actually looking for "street violence", but against people who wouldn't fight back.
If we're in the water, we might use the word "fear" for leeches (coz they're yucky) and sharks (because they will rend you into a meal).
The use of the same word does not make the two things the same, any more than using the word "woman" makes my wife the same as some bearded dick-having person. (Even if we concede to respect his/her desire to be called a "woman".) This is just some lowdown etymological sleight-of-hand the proggies use, and I really, really hate to see anybody at REASON stoop to such bothsidesism.
“Better to live under enforced order than enforced chaos.”
It still amazes me that Reason hasn’t reacted to the fact that one of their big issues for decades, criminal justice reform, has been subverted by progressives using it as an excuse to release violent criminals into society to sow chaos for political purposes.
The cool thing is that it might backfire at the polls.
It probably will, but in the meantime real criminal justice reform that libertarians want will also be set back.
Found your missing post?
Pretty good one, too.
There was another one where I amplified my views, but it seems to have vanished into a black hole. Maybe it wound up attached to another column, or even over at Vox. Who knows?
Did I miss all the examples of actual, living people advocating these ideas? If this is such a growing threat, seems like their would be lots of examples.
Some specific names, quotes, etc?
This is garbage “journalism”.
I've tried to reply to you twice, but both times my comment has been eaten, and my last attempt gives me a notice that I've already posted that comment, although it is nowhere in evidence. Hopefully it will eventually materialize.
Was it a comment about missing comments? Coz there's one right here.
I’m going to assume it mentioned what a great point I made and how smart I am until I’m shown otherwise.
I really hope all Reason book reviews are written within the context of how strawman young MAGA types will be perceived as interpreting the messages within the pages.
MAGA boys didn't do their reputation any good at the Unite The Right Rally in Charlottesville.
Tell me these aren't Feds, Shrike.
https://twitter.com/ArtValley818_/status/1479947217502818306
Appoint AG who will reform DoJ like after Watergate and restore integrity.
I will appoint an attorney general who will reform the Department of Justice like it was necessary after Watergate. My attorney general will restore the integrity of the Department of Justice, which has been severely questioned.
[Military forum, Herndon, VA, 10/3/16
turd is a pathological liar, and a TDS-addled asshole besides entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
multiple years of breathless coverage of charlottesville and Aaron Jay Danielson's cold blooded murder after being hunted down and specifically targeted because he was wearing a hat some ATIFA pos didn't like.... forgotten...
Turn yourself into the special crimes unit.
Interesting how some things are classified as "traffic accidents" and other "wanton murder", isn't it?
Or is mowing down 50 innocent pedestrians not as bad as hitting one right thinker?
One was committed by a white nationalist and the other by an out of control SUV though.
You have to be absolute bat sh$t crazy if you think that right wingers are the threat to liberty. It's most of the Democratic party Its like thinking white supremacists are the cause of rising crime. Nope its still young black men.
All those violent attacks on asian americans in urban zones are a sign of white supremacy dont you know? Oh? Most of the attackers are black? Still white supremacy
And I, for one, tend to think an elite that can so easily divorce itself from reality is a greater danger than any number of Oath Eaters or Proudfoots.
See, Doherty, Rose, you dim fucks, one group is people who KNOW how they have been harmed over the last 10 years, and the other group RUNS THE FUCKING COUNTRY YOU MENDACIOUS CUNTS.
Young black males are the primary cause in the rise of violent crime.
But they are not politically motivated. Right-wing terrorists are.
Except when they’re bailed out of jail by Kamala.
Timothy McVeigh was some years ago.
27.
I was just a kid.
Will be awake at 3am for crises.
For those few people knocking me for tweeting at three o'clock in the morning, at least you know I will be there, awake, to answer the call!
[Twitter, 9/30/16]
And that distinction is relevant to a randomly beaten Asian grandmother, or shot bystander, or burned-down shopkeeper...how?
urd lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a TDS-addled asshole and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
Not so crazy. It was right wingers who stormed the Capitol building a year ago.
Stormed is a weird way to put hundreds of people who didn’t break anything and didn’t attack anyone.
It was left wingers who stormed the Capitol building four years ago, and the Whitehouse a year ago.
Rarely leave White House, not take vacation.
Real estate mogul and reality TV star Donald Trump (R) says he wouldn’t get out much if he wins the Oval Office next year. “I would rarely leave the White House because there’s so much work to be done,” Trump, 69, tells ITK. "I would not be a president who took vacations. I would not be a president that takes time off. ... You don’t have time to take time off,” Trump adds.
[The Hill, 6/23/15]
"...Both reactionaries and progressives are menaces to the civic peace that a flourishing civilization relies on, since both seek to remake the social world to their liking by force..."
Within the last 200 years, name the political 'wing' which has caused, by far, the greatest number of innocent deaths.
Within the last two years, name the political wing which has caused the greatest losses in both property and lives in the US.
That quote is from Dougherty; Dougherty is full of shit
Yeah, watch out! The clear threat to liberty is coming from the right.
Your take on Evola is very much at odds with what I've heard about him, which is more or less that he was a kind of hippie. "Right wing"? Well, certainly not of the "left", but I understood his project as wanting to break free of that dichotomy.
Conflating Evola with the far "right" (let alone interpreting his desires as wanting to dictate to others their choices) reminds me of when superficial analysts conflated radical libertarians with LaRouche because they had room in their heads for only two poles.
Two poles and a catch-all "other/kook" category, I mean.
You like being alone again, naturally.
There are among both reactionaries and progressives thinkers who seek material abundance and moral improvement for mankind. We should try to impress them that we have the better way of achieving their goals, rather than closing ourselves off to them. And since it's a two-way street, we need to listen as well as talk.
We have two ears and one mouth. Listening twice as much as talking bears fruit. As you said, we need to talk too.
Congratulations to Reason for digging up 5 complete unknowns to offset the threat from the entire Democratic House and 48 of 50 Democratic Senators.
At least we're assured someone has read their books. The assertion is completely without evidence of course, but surely someone read them. Requiring evidence is limited to people we hate. Libertarians and leftists have no such requirement as long as they are targeting the hated people.
This is a tough one to get my blood up over. I've watched the left eviscerate freedom and liberty-- and in the last ten years, even call concepts of liberty and freedom "racist" and the biggest worry I'm supposed to have is an illiberal tariff (explicitly laid out as a power the us government has in the constitution) as the biggest threat to my liberty? Yeah, I'll just sit here in my house, locked down by leftist fiat, masked, and forced into a medical procedure, watching Thomas Jefferson's statue being removed while American cities burn while I wring my hands over a plan (ill-conceived as it might be) to bring back high-paying manufacturing jobs to the midwest.
This is the kind of tone-deaf shit that makes me realize how out of touch my so-called fellow libertarians are.
Donald Trump was a one-term president, unceremoniously thrown out in 2020 by a committed, center left neo-liberal disposition from the electorate, am I not correct about this? Meanwhile, I'm told the biggest threat to "democracy" is a mentally unstable dude in a bear costume. Meanwhile, the CEOs of the most powerful corporations in the solar system are on a first-name basis with the most power government officials in the land, literally emailing each other back and forth, asking how a government-approved narrative can be shaped for 2.6 billion people across the globe. We threw out the former in favor of the latter (admittedly through a carefully fortified election via 11th hour election procedure changes and a carefully crafted social media campaign (according to Time magazine) coordinated through billionaire tech CEOs, media moguls and sympathetic politicians, and the biggest threat to our democracy is a disgruntled laid of young person in flyover country who wanted Trump to bring his job back.
Oh, and this can't be stated enough: a laid-off young (or even much older person) who was given the middle-finger by the so-called party of the working class, his concerns smugly dismissed and told, "learn to code" as a solution to the lack of job opportunities in Smallville, USA.
Been a while since I've really been around here but I'm glad to see you're still trying to inject some occasional sanity. It's seems Trump broke an awful lot of people.
Broke or revealed?
This. Although many were obvious even before Trump, if you were paying attention.
No enemies to the left libertarians not actually being remotely libertarian.
Isn't there some saying about all the warnings of facism descending in the right, only to arise on the left every fucking time?
Well, Doherty, at least.
The immigration hysteria, when the entire REASON editorial scope consisted of "Write two more immigration promotion pieces for this month, Shakia!!" was when I started to question the commitment of REASON to any kind of values I might have. Geez. Maybe it's me? Maybe I'M not really libertarian.
But when they come down on the side of creating a bogeyman on the right equally as ugly as CNN, MSNBC, NPR, the degraded ACLU, Antifa, BLM, censorious Big Tech and the newly-oppressive universities and people who deny science (in the media, K-12 education, the CDC and trans activism), I start to think the problem isn't me.
So, Doherty,
"...the historical idea of a social order based on people's ability to make their own choices about what to do with their lives and property, to live and travel where they wish, to choose meanings, family structures, attitudes, and lifeways freed of any obligation to national or ethnic traditions."
How in the fuck can you or this Rose fella ("Look! I can create my very own bogeyman!") pretend that the forces OPPOSING your nebulous "new reactionaries" stand for ANY of that? Between Big Tech and the Dems attempts to destroy anything that stands between them and permanent one-party rule, where do you see the promotion of "...lifeways freed of any obligation to national or ethnic traditions."???
What part of re-tooling the Security State to target US citizens who are inadequately compliant warms the libertarian cockles of you heart? Or are you just angling for work at The Atlantic?
FIRE ANTS!
Seriously, people, are you with me? FIRE. ANTS.
Perhaps you were not aware of this, but along several areas of the mexican border, there are colonies of fire ants encroaching on the united states. We need to mobilize as a nation to deal with these fucking fire ants. If you are in Portland, stop worrying about that black-hooded guy carrying a molotov and start worrying about the mother fucking FIRE ANTS.
Factcheck: 110% TRUE
And since when has "reactionary" become a bad thing? No political system is more reactionary than "no political system" anarchy.
The non-reactionary, science-based center left.
So, here is an exercise.
Go to reason.com, click on the Latest button, and take a look at the articles on that list. There are 48 of them. This article is the ONLY ONE on that list that is critical only of Team Red. All of the other articles, they are either critical of both teams, or articles that have nothing to do with Team Red/Team Blue politics. This includes the Jan. 6 anniversary articles, in which it would have been very easy to write something unreservedly critical of Team Red. Instead, the coverage here at Reason was closer to "don't overreact to the events of that day". And yet, even though only 1 of 48 articles is uniquely critical of Team Red, that is an intolerable offense to most commenters here. Insane.
If you cannot handle even 1 of 48 articles being critical of Team Red, then you don't want criticism of both sides. You just want Anti-Team-Blue content. And if that is what you want, why are you even here? There are plenty of websites out there that will give you endless hate-Blue content without the pretense of libertarian thought. If all you want is the endorphin rush associated with being told conspiracy theories, half-truths, and narratives that tell you want you want to hear about how evil Team Blue is, then why are you here?
"Gosh, everyone is commenting on the most recent article and not one from two weeks ago. How unfair."
Try harder. That argument's not worth fifty-cents.
"This article is the ONLY ONE on that list that is critical only of Team Red.
And that's a flat out lie. There were eight just last week. Who do you think that you're kidding?
And that's a flat out lie. There were eight just last week. Who do you think that you're kidding?
Of the most recent 48, name them.
Easy. It's in their DNA.
Democrats May Pressure the GOP Into Making the Filibuster Meaningless
Mandatory GMO Disclosure Doesn't Sway Shopping Habits (But Will Drive Up Costs)
The Wall/El Muro
Was the Capitol Riot Really the Opening Battle of a Civil War?
Don't Make Every Day January 6
Kids Stay Home as Chicago Teachers Revolt
January 6 Doesn't Justify Wrecking the Filibuster
Ashli Babbitt's Violent Past Doesn't Justify Her Death
'Should Police Arrest Sex Workers for Standing Around?' No, of Course Not.
Bring back 7.7 million manufacturing jobs in the rust belt.
In the year 2000 America had nearly 20 million manufacturing jobs in the rust belt. Okay? Today we have only 12.3 million manufacturing jobs left in the rust belt. We're going to bring them back. We're going to bring them back. We're going to bring them back.
[Cincinnati, OH, 12/1/16]
And why are you here, ML? All you want is Hate-Blue articles.
I think you underestimate my hatred for the Democrats. Without resorting to hyperbole they are the second most evil political party, after the NSDAP, in Western history.
Worse even than Mussolini's Fascists, Franco's Falangists or the French Parti Populaire Français in Vichy.
Almost every single horrible thing in American history, from the defense of slavery, to Indian genocides, to Tammany, to the KKK and lynch mobs, to Jim Crow, to Asian exclusion acts, to resegregation of the Civil Service, to Japanese internment, to filibustering the Civil Rights Act, to urban ghettoes, to vaccine mandates, ad nauseam, can be laid at the feet of that monster.
Release tax returns when audit is done.
And when the audit is complete, I will release my returns. I don't know when this is going to be. But when the audit is complete, I'll release my returns.
[Fox News, 9/6/16]
Personally, it isn't about being "Critical of team red". There is a lot to be critical of Team Red on, including Tariffs, hypocrisy on spending, etc. But instead, this article is trying to make a completely bullshit argument, that these authoritarian reactionaries are taking root among the "youth" of the Republican party. It is silly nonsense.
I am not ticking boxes for how many articles are on one side or another. I am calling out how stupid this article is. It is stupid. It is just as fundamentally flawed as Sudderman's "The GOP's cognitive bias is evidence of authoritarianism". Something can be bad and not be the forewarning of the next Hitler.
Go back ten years, and the people espousing these authoritarian, unegalitarian, racist, bigoted ideas were the "alt-right". Richard Spencer and the like. It was confined to a few websites. Now, you have Tucker Carlson openly uttering Replacement Theory nonsense in prime time on his show. Open xenophobia is normalized on the right. We went from Tea Party protests in 2010, to Unite The Right protests in 2017, and shit like this just from today:
https://www.businessinsider.com/far-right-patriot-front-heckled-at-chicago-anti-abortion-march-2022-1
I do not think it is a stretch to point out that some of these very old-school conservative ideas, like autocracy, social Darwinism, cultural chauvinism, etc., are making a comeback on the right.
I don't know what percentage of young conservatives subscribe to this nonsense. But I also don't think it is out of bounds to write an article on the phenomenon, and all of the crying around here about how UNFAIR it is to write about something that is happening on the right, is just plainly ridiculous. These of course are the same people who lambast Reason for not giving more serious consideration of bullshit "Jan. 6 false flag" and "MASSIVE FRAUD' claims yet they dismiss the eminently more supportable hypothesis that Team Red is, in part, becoming less small-l liberal and more authoritarian.
Sorry you marxist apologist,but when you're calling stories about the Jan 6 selfie protest an insurrection you're not posting anything favorable about team red, period. Now contrast that coverage against their defense of the marxist riots of summer 2020 and you most definitely are not pro team red unless you mean the USSR kind.
Who, EXACTLY, is this book, and the article, talking about? We don’t know, because they aren’t named.
But I’m shocked you think it’s ok to call out some vague group of people without naming them or providing any evidence, oh great individualist.
The issue is not the number of articles but the messages contained therein.
Criticism of the left is often related to ineptitude and policy failures (key word often... there may be exceptions). These articles usually contain an equivalence towards the right (and sometimes a backhanded insult about the right being worse/dangerous because MAGA).
Criticism of the right is often of the "if this goes too far it becomes fascism... and parta of it are already there" flavor. Never a similar equivalence to the left and their actual totalitarianism and violence that has been dominating the streets for years.
The general issue is not that people around here are saying "The right is sanctified and holy! Stop talking bad about them!" The issue is that the right is certainly going through some dark steps... but the left is already the devil and has been punching us in the face for a few decades at least while the GOP only gave lip service to stopping him.
These two things are not the same, so the outsized warning given to one over the other is the issue.
What if - and hear me out here - the biggest problem with the left *is* their policies?
If that is your argument... you have really missed ththe point.
As in you have got to be one of the most dense people I have come across.
As in you somehow completely failed to grasp the points that are very explicitly being made.
Everyone is telling you that the biggest threat is the person shooting at you. Reason spends their time saying "Yeah... they just aren't very good with guns. But you really need to worry about the kid who plays video games that have guns."
And your defense of Reason is "But what if they really don't think the guy shooting at you is a problem?"
THAT IS THE FUCKING POINT
No.
"...the historical idea of a social order based on people's ability to make their own choices about what to do with their lives and property, to live and travel where they wish, to choose meanings, family structures, attitudes, and lifeways freed of any obligation to national or ethnic traditions."
By the way, these are almost entirely small-c conservative ideas. I wonder if there's a political end of the spectrum which has been highly opposed to people "making their own choices about what to do with their lives" or "whether they can travel where they wish, choose meanings and family structures and attitudes freed of any obligation to national or ethnic traditions"? Is there a particular group who might have views antithetical to this? Are there any recent examples one might come up with that might suggest that this might be a teensy problem other than the "reactionary right"?
Maybe one of the other 48 articles at reason.com/latest will have the answers you're looking for.
Where do you get 48 from? The MORE>> button keeps expanding the list on and on.
And no. The current crop of Reasonistas will be damned if they admit the truth.
Ask Congress for bill repealing Obamacare and replacing with "reforms that expand choice, freedom, affordability."
My first day in office, I am going to ask Congress to put a bill on my desk getting rid of this disastrous law and replacing it with reforms that expand choice, freedom, affordability.
[Sanford, FL, 10/25/16]
They do not as they are defenses of those policies in principle, but maybe tone it down some in nature.
During a little light research on Matthew Rose, I ran across this excerpt on Twitter, promoted by someone on Twitter from Yale Press (example tweet):
So you get the idea of who we're dealing with here.
Anyhoo, here's the excerpt she quoted:
So what we seem to be describing is a lively, highly diverse group of people engaging in free and open debate (which was previously closed, banished and considered taboo). A debate where atheists, Catholics, minorities, racists, coders, agrarians all get together and exchange ideas. Sounds like a fucking libertarian moment to me... on steroids.
If this is the biggest fear Matthew Rose has about the future of our culture, I fear that Mr. Rose is nothing more than an insufferable little prig.
I too am worried about the illiberal conspiracy theorists in our current culture. Here, a picture of one is captured, probably engaging in conversations and debates which were once considered "taboo".
Oh give me a fucking break. This characterization of the brave heroic conservative standing alone against fascism is absurd. Let's not forget that it was Team Red which rejected the results of a fair election and wanted to overturn those results, by force if necessary. Let's not forget that it is Team Red which believes that a "total and complete shutdown of Muslim immigration" is a good idea. Let's not forget that it is Team Red which believes that it's a good idea to build a giant massive wall on the southern border, because they think penniless Guatemalans are the biggest threat to the Republic. Let's not forget that it is Team Red that venerates the military, venerates the police, to the extent that a sizable portion of them are okay with the idea of a military coup.
https://thewhyaxis.substack.com/p/one-year-after-january-6-republican
They are not the heroes you are looking for. They are authoritarian asshats.
That doesn't make them more dangerous than the left.
And that is the point.
Everyone knows fascists are bad. No one wears a Hitler shirt in public
There are huge parades promoting Communism and people complaining about police violence (often thinking it is far outsized than the problem, real as it is, actually is) wearing Che shirts and no one beats an eye.
One side has an uphill battle before becoming a widespread threat and a source of political dominance.
The other one rules not just the hill but the entire countryside around it.
The other one rules not just the hill but the entire countryside around it.
If this is the case, and they are full of communists, then why aren't we living in a communist dystopia right now? If The Left is a totalitarian existential threat *and they have all the power*, why haven't they used it?
Maybe the characterization of The Left as being full of cartoon villains is inaccurate.
The radical fringe of The Left has a hard time winning elections. There's a couple of Senators and a few House members and a few local office-holders. In Democratic primary after primary, when a progressive candidate runs against an establishment candidate, the progressive candidate loses. Hell, look at New York City, they just elected a former cop as their mayor. Not exactly a loony-tunes commie radical. The type of people that you are complaining about are rather far away from having any significant amount of power in this country.
By contrast, with The Right, in Republican primary after primary, the establishment candidates are *losing* in favor of the radical right-wing candidates who align themselves with Trumpist nationalism and conspiracy theories. Half of the House Republican caucus, and seven GOP Senators, voted to ignore the will of the voters on the basis of election lies peddled by grifters and narcissists, all in the service of Trump's ego. THAT is scary. This isn't some random nutball like Maxine Waters or AOC. This is a substantial portion of elected Republicans. And when you have this radical faction having almost complete control over the Republican Party, and standing a very good chance of winning in 2022 and 2024, then yes, I consider this to be the bigger short-term existential threat.
The Democrats have been trying to ram through every single ill conceived notion they’ve ever had, continue to flirt with mask and vaccine mandates, believe they have the power to tell you how and when to operate your business (or even leave your house), etc. AND have continued some of Trumps policies that you were up in arms about just a short 14 months ago (tariffs being at the top of the list). And if you’ve visited a grocery store in the last week, I’m sure you’ve seen what the shelves always look like when commies get their way.
Republicans, especially here in TX, do some fucktarded shit, but nothing of the magnitude of the Democrats.
The Democrats have been trying to ram through every single ill conceived notion they’ve ever had,
I agree! But, is it....COMMUNISM? No, it's warmed-over 1970's liberalism. Because that's who Joe Biden is, a warmed-over 1970's liberal. The ones who ARE pushing revolutionary socialism or some such nonsense are the ones who keep losing Democratic primaries to establishment politicians.
The DSA has seen its largest growth... ever maybe?
Critical Theory (not simply CRT) has come to dominate education (and they have a whole academic book highlighting and celebrating this called "The Critical Turn in Education")... which is absolutely Marxist in form and fashion (cultural, racial, sexual etc even if not economic).
The FBI lied about TrumpRussia, got caught, and boo was said about it. No one in jail.
The media covered for the Biden Laptop story, claiming it was "known to be false" until it was too late to make a difference at which point it was confirmed to be true.
Newsrooms have editors that have explicitly stated that objectivity is racist and has no place in the news but should be replaced with social justice activism (which harkens back to Critical Theory ie Marxism).
BLM claims with no data that police are gunning down blacks wholesale. This is factually, demonstrably false. Even one of the most decorated economists around, a black man no less, from Harvard did his study TWICE with two sets of workers because he could not believe his own data conclusions about the subject. He found that if anything, when all variables are accounted for, there may even be an anti-white bias in police shootings. Does his study get reported anywhere major? Does anyone in the MS media bring it up when BLM and its advocates make their claims?
Portland was on fire for over 100 days, but we are told it was mostly peaceful because in raw numbers there more more peaceful people than arsonists. But J6 was a terrorist plot where no one died except a (ironically) an unarmed white woman shot in the back.
Like... just how much more do you need before you pull your head out of your ass?
And yes... Trump sucks. Tarrifs are dumb. Immigration is fine. And he's uncouth. He claimed he won an election that he didn't (like Hillary did). He told his followers to be peaceful then sat on his hands. But he didn't use the FBI and the full force of government to illegally undermine Biden.
Like... at some point...
C'mon man.
Jeffy supports critical theory.
The DSA has seen its largest growth... ever maybe?
The Proud Boys and Oathkeepers have seen its largest growth... ever maybe?
See I can play that same game too. I can attribute to the entire group the qualities of their most extreme members. If Team Blue is to be known by what the DSA does and what leftist revolutionary radicals do (who don't wield any power within the government), then fine, all of Team Red should be known by what the Proud Boys do, by what the white nationalist Patriot Front does, by what Alex Jones and Richard Spencer do. Sound fair to you?
If you want to play the game of "all of Team Blue are leftist Marxist radicals", then I insist that "all of Team Red are racist white nationalist assholes". Sound good?
I know this is days late and may never be read but whatever.
I am not saying every person on the left is evil. I am saying that leftism, the motivating ideology behind all of those various things I mentioned above, is decidedly more dangerous currently (and I would argue in totality/absolute terms) than the threats that right-ism presents.
But instead of dealing with that argument you are the one doing "whataboutism" despite me already giving you that ground to the degree appropriate meaning you are repeating the background information I am already stating then ignoring the comparison I am making to the left. I say "right bad, left clearly worse." You say "But... but... but... look at the things you already tacitly admitted are bad about the right!"
it is Team Red that venerates the military, venerates the police
They don't "venerate" the officer corps anymore and aren't exactly comfortable with the whole institution. All federal law enforcement is now viewed like the ATF was in the Ruby Ridge/Waco 1990s. "Team Red" such as it is has done a 180 on such things in the past few years.
Team Red is the one waving "Thin Blue Line" flags and passing hate-crime laws for saying mean things about the police.
Also Team Red is disturbingly okay with the idea of a military coup. See above.
And Team Blue literally did commit Insurrection (CHAZ/CHOP).
They literally supported three months of arson and the setting of fires on police buildings, courthouses, apartment buildings, commercial and business establishments. Two BILLION in damages. But the left says "It is just property." No... it was people's homes, livelihoods, and in some cases personal safety at risk.
Okay, knock it off with "the left does this" and "the left does that" nonsense. If you don't want every sin of every racist white nationalist redneck Trump voter to be laid at the feet of every Republican, then don't do the same for Democrats.
The leftist revolutionary radicals who burned down property in Portland are NOT the same as the Democrats who wield power in the government. Do you understand this? Every Democrat and Republican politician alike condemned the rioting and the violence. Not a single one supported setting courthouses on fire and I dare you to find a quote from any elected Democrat anywhere who did.
It is easy to "win" an argument when you lump all of your opponents together into one faceless mass called "The Enemy" and attribute to all of them the qualities of their most extreme elements. But that is not fair when that tactic is applied to Team Red, and it's not fair when the tactic is applied to Team Blue.
"So what we seem to be describing is a lively, highly diverse group of people engaging in free and open debate (which was previously closed, banished and considered taboo). A debate where atheists, Catholics, minorities, racists, coders, agrarians all get together and exchange ideas. Sounds like a fucking libertarian moment to me... on steroids."
Isn't it psychotic to be opposed to this kind of discussion... and it's even more psychotic that an ostensibly libertarian magazine would give approval to the people trying to thwart it.
Set goal of school choice for 11 million kids in poverty.
Establish the national goal of providing school choice to every one of the 11 million school aged children living in poverty.
[Trump campaign website, 9/8/16
“So you get the idea of who we're dealing with here.”
Umm, someone whose family has caught the omicron variant of COVID-19.
Why is it libertarian to have "open debate" on "taboo" subjects? Is open-mindedness libertarian per se?
It's not hard to imagine some "taboo" subjects that libertarians ought to reject out of hand, and merely discussing them shouldn't qualify as libertarian per se.
I think there is an impulse around here to consider anyone that is "fighting the man" to be libertarian. No, that is just anti-establishmentarianism. Opposition to authority without also being staunch defenders of individual liberty isn't libertarian, it is just being oppositional. It is not necessarily wrong, but it isn't necessarily right either.
“Opposition to authority without also being staunch defenders of individual liberty isn't libertarian, it is just being oppositional.”
I think it could be argued that opposition to authority is a good in and of itself.
I think it could be argued that opposition to authority is a good in and of itself.
Sure, if you're an anarchist or a toddler.
Adults understand that there is a difference between legitimate authority and illegitimate authority.
Why is it libertarian to have "open debate" on "taboo" subjects?Free minds...
It's not hard to imagine some "taboo" subjects that libertarians ought to reject out of hand,have limits, that jeffy poorly defines.
The paradox of intolerance is a lesson that still eludes the greatest of liberal minds.
The paradox of formatting, though, eludes everyone.
It’s incredible to lurk on Democrat economist PhD forums and see them throwing in the towel with 3 years to go. Democrats have the Executive, House and Senate, every big city mayor and city council in the country. Get out of your neoliberal bubble and debate the people you can’t stand (is it Carlson? Rogan?)
It’s called promoting and defending your policy preferences.
Motivate yourselves and defend your positions. You look like Cowards, everyone is embarrassed for you.
O/T - Left wing Congresswoman and dumb bitch AOC has tested positive for COVID.
Am rooting for the cough.
The Omicron just wanted to date her.
The vax was developed under a Republican administration. They did this to her intentionally!
Obviously the governor of Florida's fault for not having mask mandates where AOC was partying
The debbel made her do it!
Still would
Has Doherty entirely forgotten that Libertarianism is the namesake of the motto of the American Revolution ? Liberty was blazoned on the nation's first coinage before the ink was dry on the Bill of Rights, yet no one at Reason seems to recall the once reflexive duty to defend and uphold the Constitution whose liberties we enjoy.
King George the third must be laughing in his grave even as Washington weeps in his. When was the last time the editors reminded their readers of the names of some of the Enlightenment reactionaries who signed off on the Second Amendment, the Louisiana Purchase and the Monroe Doctrine , and , come to think of it, expanded and defended the borders that became and remain a beacon to those seeking to come to America to enjoy the legacy of the founders this article so unwisely ignores ?
"yet no one at Reason seems to recall the once reflexive duty to defend and uphold the Constitution"
???
Reactionaries retaliate if attacked by socialists. Frenchmen surrender. Jefferson watched this happen and Franklin Roosevelt saw it happen again! This surrenderism is what the Libertarian Defense Caucus organized to deactivate.
Oh, and this is a global phenomenon? Who are the right-winger reactionaries in Quebec locking down a so-called 'free' population? Who are the right-wingers in the Canadian federal government closing their borders entirely? Who are the right-wingers in Australia imprisoning their population for being out of their homes without government authorization?
Who is the right-winger claiming that the "unvaccinated" are not "citizens" of their country? Hmm? Hmmmmm? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm?
Question Mark Mike & DR (P):
Bloody idiots all. The American project that gave rise to the constitution of this Republic speaks for itself .
Doherty not so much.
About six to twelve years ago, Reason had articles rejecting fusionist politics because the leadership of Conservatism and the GOP were not pure enough for Reason type libertarians. To the extent that this development on the Right exists, it is a erosion of the Right that does not think it has allies in the Libertarian movement and therefore sees no value in attracting Libertarian support. This is what happens when the Right does not think it can get your support. It goes in a direction you will hate.
Something I always wonder about those who tip their hands and openly proclaim their hatred of Liberty, something I may have to ask them sooner than I may wish: If you don't own you, then who the Hell does?
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humans as naturally tribal, not autonomous;
They are. We are social animals after all. That doesn't mean you can't have individuals choosing to be a new tribe (thats how the US wad founded), but to deny what all of history says is both elitist and wrong.
individuals as inherently unequal, not equal;
Also true, in an absolute sense (as in, including abilities and capacity for change). We can't just pretend that people who have been farming their whole lives will just "learn to code". There are unavoidable inequalities in people.
politics as grounded in authority, not consent;
LAWL. Our entire modern system of "democracy" is founded on majority authority. At least these people (whom nobody ever heard of) recognized the scam for what it was. It took 4 elections, 3 prime ministers and 5 years for Brexit to happen. Don't bullshit me about "consent of the governed".
societies as properly closed, not open."
And? I see nothing wrong with people choosing to exclude others, does "live and let life" not extend to intolerance?
I'm really shocked.
"Even President Donald Trump seemed powerless"
https://multimetertools.com
People who stupidly call Democratic party as a party of liberals do not know what liberalism stands for. The Democratic party of today is not a party of liberals. It is a party of authoritarian assholes.
https://aestheticsbyshehla.com/
"Even President Donald Trump seemed powerless to shift America back to the country they wanted."
Reason tries again to make Trump seem like some kind of power broker when he was actually the most lied about and harassed President in American history. Yet it is truly amazing what he accomplished in 4 years having never held elected office before being elected President. Also amazing is the stupidity and ineptness of Biden as he destroys America in an attempt to erase Trump's accomplishments.
Trump bragged about his dick size during a presidential debate.
Poor BAYBEEE! How dare those Secret Service agents LET those Jewish commie Dems kick sand in The Don's little orange babyface... Liberty Liver to the rescue, now kid!
There are so many election fraud cases and people in jail for committing election fraud I can only assume you are being disingenuous......www.now37.com
The idea that progressives want to remake society by force, but libertarians just want to leave people alone, is such autofellatio I wonder if libertarianism even consists of much more than the narcissistic impulse. I was a libertarian for a few months in ninth grade, so I know. You can't fool me. "You mean me being maximally selfish is actually me being maximally good? Sign me up!" Just disgraceful and embarrassing.
Laws and legislatures will exist even in a world run by libertarians. There will be winners and losers. What are you trying to argue, that you'll leave the status quo as-is, and that I'm supposed to suck your dick in appreciation for your laziness as well as your selfishness?
My God, just get the fuck over yourselves already. What are you, 50?
Progressives want to remake society by force and libertarians want to remake society by prohibiting force. Which one is moral?
The argument from senile intimidation is the broken record of communist oratory. But more and more they join their republican think-alikes swimming away from the floundering hulk of totalitarian altruism while claiming to "have been" libertarian or that their looting and shooting is the REAL "free trade" libertarians are too stupid to appreciate--unless they vote for looters and parasites.
"Reactionary" is a word only used by Fascists and by those poking fun at the things that Fascists say.
Reactionary was more popular among sixties communists than doo-doo head is among religious preppies. To the extent they can be told apart, "reactionary" distinguished inevitable looters from their mystical brothers. Nowadays most Dems are assimilated communists just as the Gee-Oh-Pee is a body of fascisti out to bully girls and get even with the Christ-killers. It is a pathetic spectacle the way altruism drags these Tweedle-dummies into the withering ranks of parasite partisanism. We are so lucky to be able to vote Libertarian!
Now that Brian has developed a taste for historical muckraking, how about a review of NAZIS of Copley Square? No schoolteacher dares mention Father Coughlin, Catholic Action or the Christian Front whose Spanish allies shot George Orwell in the neck. As Hoover's Moratorium on Brains and narcotics cartel policies handed Hitler the German government, these totalitarian baiters of communists (as a competing religion, like Judaism) so horrified literate Americans as to guarantee FDR a lifetime tenure while increasing communism sevenfold.
An increasingly vanishing middle road
What are you talking about?
Among the public overall, 38% describe themselves as independents, while 31% are Democrats and 26% call themselves Republicans, according to Pew Research Center surveys conducted in 2018. These shares have changed only modestly in recent years, but the proportion of independents is higher than it was from 2000-2008, when no more than about a third of the public identified as independents.
https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2019/03/14/political-independents-who-they-are-what-they-think/
Both major parties are becoming less popular.
Unless it's the totalitarian collectivist left. Then unwavering compromise with, and carrying water for, is totes libertarian.
This is the problem of all idealism, it requires totalitarian thought. Jeff imbues the idea perfectly. He literally said libertarian policy can't survive until people have his moral structure.
Thank you for that ray of sunshine. There is a reactionary right, always has been as long as there has been an illiberal left to react against. They aren't new, and they aren't following dead ideologues, unlike the woke crowd following Marx.
This would be how progressives and the left-leaning sorts generally shore up their ludicrous assertions and arguments. With ephemera and references to sociopolitical figures that had minor impact, except in their fever dreams.
“No young conservatives I know have ever heard of these people.”
Well the author evidently knows a lot of young conservatives that have heard of these people. So many, in fact, that we don’t need to be given any specific examples, because It Is Known.
It's a book written by a left of center person ashamed of his party but trying to offer up a justification to remain ignoring the authoritarianism of his own party.
Except for every public library and university library in the U.S. buying, with taxpayer funds, 10 copies of it, and showcasing it. This is how Bernie and the left become multi millionaires. It’s sad to see that instead of fighting back in the marketplace of ideas, it’s now “Let’s get wealthy name calling”. Neiman Marxists. Big Large Mansions.
This, from Goldilicks GorillaShit, who just the other day was praising Red China as an example of a 1-party state which has provided long-term peace and prosperity!
"It depends on whose ox gets gored." Truth be damned; we MUST pussy-grab the tribal enemy!
Good point. Because this libertarian magazine is never critical of Biden or the Democrats. They've got nothing to say about inflation, reactionary COVID rules and abuse of power, terrible economic policies of the left, or anything else like that. Reason loves Democrats and is only critical of Republicans. You're so observant.
Or a pedophile celebrates the diversity of children.
Sarc is so incredibly ignorant and dumb.
"Both parties becoming less popular does not mean the libertarian party is becoming more popular."
Probably because the American LP isn't particularly libertarian. It always makes me shake my head when people conflate political party with social philosophy. As Johnson's establishmentarianism, and Jorgensen's woke pandering prove, they're very different things.
If the libertarian party wants people to like it, they need to stick to actual libertarian principles, and not pretend that they're just Democrats for gay orgies and legal coke.
Whew!
Triggered right-wing Marxist defends another right-wing Marxist, in a non-data-driven, empty-headed manner, for NO other reason other than perceived tribal alliances! WHAT a surprise!
In every one of those threads you attack the right you hypocrite.
Why do you continue to create strawman arguments that merely highlight your own hypocrisy?
Totally not a Democrat, folks.
Reason focuses on Biden's minor faux pas, while largely ignoring the massive infringements in the West on free speech, free association and bodily autonomy. This is deliberate.
It isn't that Reason doesn't speak about issues with the Left/Dems/Biden. It is the context and the rational conclusion one would make when comparing those articles to something like this article.
Reason's take, in total across multiple articles for the last several years, goes something like this:
Biden and the dems are pretty short sighted. Their policies won't work. But it isn't like the GOP is good for anything because they have all sold-out for Trump who is a modern American version of Hitler. And if we don't watch out... those MAGA guys are gonna get real violent and ugly. They are a special kind of danger that we need to really look out for. I mean... We here at Reason have even heard that some of them who are so disaffected with nothing more than policy failures of the left (because we will never talk about the fundamental philosophy of evil that drives it) have turned to obscure people no one has heard of! This is the beginning of the end if we don't watch out!
Meanwhile... not in the pages of Reason but in the real world whole cities are being destroyed, lives crushed, lies told and supported by the apparatus of the state (unlike Trump's Big Lie that is not repeated by FBI agents, news outlets en mass, academics, movie stars, etc).
The issue is not that people around here are all honky-dory with right-wing radicalism. I haven't seen a single respected poster around here make a defense of that stuff. But when they point out what is going on on the left it is like the Bible... Reason is pointing out the mote in one person's eye (which, yes, can metastasize and become really bad) while ignoring a whole fucking lumberyard in some other guy's eye and acting like that guy isn't actually all that bad off.
Sarc applauds forced government camps and applauds mask and vaccine policy, don't you dare call them mandates though. As he actively attacks the side against those things.
Hours later and sarc still can’t provide an example of his claim.
“George will” insurrection violence BLM … "American Happiness and Discontents: The Unruly Torrent, 2008-2020." = his new book…
George Will is a PRINCIPLED and data-driven conservative, who I respect a LOT. (We need LOTS more like him!) He wrote some harsh words about the “whataboutism” as you espouse. I am still looking for his quote. In the meantime…
https://wacotrib.com/opinion/columnists/q-a-with-george-will-yes-it-s-time-to-worry-for-american-democracy/article_a89298b0-22ed-11ec-a317-4b16b3d3b45f.html
Q&A with George Will: Yes, it’s time to worry for American democracy
From the bottom of there:
Under what circumstances would George Will ever consider going back to the Republican Party?
Will: When it becomes a political party again, not a cult of personality.
But what about Mao Tse Tung?!?!? If the ChiComms can "do" cults of personality, we can toooOOOOooooOOOO, dammit!!!!
Believe it was when shrike posted an anti trump will article as truth and people laughed at it. Only time I remember him being brought up at all.
You mean below when I reject both parties for being totalitarian and authoritarian?
Governments have been quarantining sick people for as long as history has existed. It's not unusual and it's not unprecedented. Freaking out over it and comparing it to death camps is absurd. That's not a statement in favor or against quarantined. I'm simply saying that it's a practice that has existed forever, and the people in those quarantines are not slaves being worked to death.
As far as rounding up Democrats and murdering them, that's Nardz's fantasy. Not mine.
I didn't respond because you're usually on mute. After reading a few comments of yours accusing my parents of disgusting crimes and insisting I run multiple socks, I'm putting you back on mute.
You're an attack troll. Nothing more.
I'm the king of "You're exactly like the people you hate" not "Boo hoo Reason was mean to my team and they're not mean to the other team! Boo hoo Reason must be leftist because they were mean to my team! Boo hoo Reason says both sides are bad! Waaaahhhh! Reason suuuuuucks!"
If it tu quoques like a duck it's sarcasmic, the peeking duck.
Strangely, though you claim to be "bowf sides" you're always rushing in to white knight for the Democrats.
Funny that.
You very well may reject both sides. If you had your preference I don't doubt it would be something many around here could live with.
But when debating the real options available (Dem totalitarianism or GOP authoritarianism) you clearly distance yourself from the GOP and, sometimes obviously happily and sometimes minutely begrudgingly, you side up with the Dems. Or, maybe more accurately, you may not defend the dem position but you do deflect and re-direct back to the GOP.
And the reason that is dumb is because you are telling me to watch out for the guy trying to key my car and doing so in a way that is purposeful in trying to make sure I don't notice the other guy stabbing me in the back multiple times with a smile on his face.
No. It proves that Ken can't handle criticism, he can't handle the implication of his own words, and neither can you.
They just spent a week attacking Rogan who is left of center in most of his beliefs simply because he hosted 2 well established scientists who went against the government narrative on covid.
He pointed out your lack of principles so you got pissy and rage muted.
You have no principles.
You do run multiple socks, sarcasmic, and you're not fooling anyone by denying it.
You're the troll. Not Dizzle.
Have we gotten an updated list this year?
Who besides sarc has said “death camps”? Because sarc keeps saying others have called them death camps, but I just can’t find anyone else using that phrase.
Almost like sarc’s just lying.
You don’t quarantine heathy people, which is what lockdowns and the camps have been doing.
Well said.
^
We’re all just Trump loving Republicans, don’t you know?
Over the last several years Reason was critical of the GOP because.... wait for it.... the president was a Republican!
Before that Reason was critical of the Democrats to the point where people in the comments accused it of being a conservative publication. I'll give you a guess as to why they were critical of the Democrats.
As for Reason not covering things that you feel are important, take it up with the editors. This constant mantra of "Reason didn't cover this which means they believe that" is textbook strawmanning.
To paraphrase an old Russian proverb: There is no news in Pravda, no truth in Izvestya and no причина (prichina) in Reason.
Dave Smith is trying to change this, so let’s hope he succeeds.
Restart Trump University after he wins the lawsuit
You have the wins and all of that, and Trump University, we are going to start it up as soon as I win the lawsuit. Does that make sense? I mean that's it, OK?
[Jupiter, FL, 3/8/16]
Is the bear on foot or riding in Jeffy’s trunk?
turd lies. turd is a TDS-addled piece of shit and a pathological liar besides, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
Boaff Sidez!
epigone
ĕp′ĭ-gōn″
noun
A second-rate imitator or follower, especially of an artist or a philosopher.
One born after; a successor or heir.
Same as epigonium.
To sarc, a death camp would be a remote place located in a dry county.
It’s not Ken’s fault you’re dense.
"No. It proves that Ken can't handle criticism, he can't handle the implication of his own words, and neither can you."
Even if he did, do you believe that one argument means everything else he writes isn't to be believed?
For a person who claims to lament the downward spiral of the comments, doesn't it seem odd to attack one of the few people ideologically opposed to you who is willing to take the time to do a long form argument, rather than just "Hur Dur, Reason is Proggy!"?And yet here you are, actively discouraging thoughtful arguments with quippy, non-responsive rejoinders.
You spent a day bitching me out because I keep calling out Mike for straight up LYING to people. And yet, because of a disagreement over issues- not lies, but a philosophical disagreement- you respond to every single one of Ken's posts with this exact same schtick- essentially saying you would rather have conversations with a straight up PEDOPHILE (SPB) than suffer having someone ideologically opposed to you write his screeds.
Do you understand how perhaps, maybe, you are contributing to the problem?
Ken handles just about everybody’s criticism and disagreements.
If you’ve pissed him off, you were probably acting like a right proper cunt.
I’m sure he’ll come back and provide one any minute.
"Neiman Marxists"
Bravo!
McMarxMansions
Doesn't it seem odd to attack one of the few people ideologically opposed to you who is willing to take the time to do a long form argument
What attack? I pointed out the logical implication of his words. I didn't attack him as a person. Then he muted me for it. So saying he can't take criticism and doesn't like the implications of his words is a valid observation, not an attack. And I really don't give a shit how long his post are. It would be a lot easier if he simply said "Progressives evil, Republicans good. Hurr durr." It would convey the same message.
I keep calling out Mike for straight up LYING to people
I'm still not sure what the lies were that you were talking about. Having bad information isn't lying.
essentially saying you would rather have conversations with a straight up PEDOPHILE (SPB)
All I know about that is that people call him a pedo are the same ones who routinely make shit up about me. So I consider the source and dismiss it as trolls being trolls.
Do you understand how perhaps, maybe, you are contributing to the problem?
Nope.
When I did vote I would vote L or R, mainly over economic issues.
But when the GOP became the Trump party I couldn't do it anymore. So I don't vote, and the last time I moved I didn't register.
I have never seen sarcasmic side up with the Democrats.
Actually, sex criminals tend to be very particular about the appearance of their victims.
John baron:
All bad things happening in U.S. will be "rapidly reversed"
Wisconsin has suffered a great loss of jobs and trade, but if I win, all of the bad things happening in the U.S. will be rapidly reversed!
[Twitter, 4/2/16]
Martin luther:
Get 95% of the African-American vote in 2020
And at the end of four years, I guarantee you I will get over 95% of the African-American vote, I promise you.
[Dimondale, MI, 8/19/16]
Not Shrike. Dark or fair, boy or girl, he loves them all.
This.
Just because they call them "quarantine" camps, doesn't mean that they're functioning as such.
When 3/4 of the people being interned have tested negative, but are being locked up for civil disobedience instead, calling them "quarantine" is a lie.
"Reason didn't cover this which means they believe that" is textbook strawmanning."
Dozens of people have calmly and politely explained what the word "strawmanning" means to you over the years, and your retarded ass still can't get it remotely right.
You're too stupid to post here, sarcasmic. Try shitposting at Huffpo instead. It's over there. ====>
So you completely missed sparkstable’s point.
That was your excuse as well. Why are all your posts against conservatives then shit weasel?
When Trump was President, the typical article was that t Trump was an imminent dictator due to his lies. There was an article in the past few weeks that Biden could be a better president if he did not lie so much.
They were both critical articles but one was fear mongering and the other one expressed disappointment, and the hyperbole is directed exclusively at the Right while the Left is merely chided for its excesses. The problem is the tone.
Only about three non-drive by people accused it of being conservative. I’m sure you can guess which ones.
"Nope."
Of course you don't.
Overt is pretty dumb if he is calling me out for lying, because I don’t.
"I'm still not sure what the lies were that you were talking about. Having bad information isn't lying."
I linked it below. And you excused it away.
But whatever Sarc. You insist that the problem is those right wingers. You and Mike and Chemjeff, just act like Trump- always the victim. And we will never ever have a decent conversation again here. Good luck in that box you are making.
"All I know about that is that people call him a pedo are the same ones who routinely make shit up about me. So I consider the source and dismiss it as trolls being trolls."
This is super wrong. Those people picked it up from all the people who left to Glibs. Feel free to go over there and ask, and they will probably even point you to the post where it happened. It is the reason *I* call it out in every conversation with him.
Pluggo says they are all brown on the inside.
No joke. Rogan is not a conservative...AT ALL...and they pretend he is a far right wing guy because he does not buy into the narrative wholesale.
No one here is complaining about your voting record.
Modern progressives are much like a an islamic Borg, on a mission to make us all submit to their uber-state vision. FYI, resistance is not futile, and can be fun.
With two Teslas in the garage, and a progressive word salad yard sign.
https://reason.com/2021/09/09/california-is-set-to-outlaw-unannounced-condom-removal/?comments=true#comment-9091773
Here is Mike claiming that he would "never trust Rolling Stone" mere days after passing along the fake Ivermectin story. Consider that: He didn’t apologize. He didn’t even try to ignore his mistake. He brazenly tried to dunk on Rolling Stone to make himself look like an arbiter of truth.
You can go to that thread and read and link to the article where he was pumping the ivermectin story just days earlier. But sure, Mike, whatever you say.
And while we are at it, Mike Laursen is also a pretty disingenuous troll.
The other day we were on the subject of GMOs and people were discussing the ins and outs of that. You can go see what he does here:
https://reason.com/2022/01/07/mandatory-gmo-disclosure-doesnt-sway-shopping-habits-but-will-drive-up-costs/?comments=true#comment-9293589
You can see the entire thread, rather than discuss GMOs, Mike constantly wants to insert the Vaccines into the discussion. Why? Because he is here to troll. He is not interested in libertarian discussion- he wants to continue the Left v Right divide. And then he has the gall to act like he is so persecuted here after lying and trolling at every opportunity.
I'm one of 3 still muted. Right race.
Still too close to the first of the month for him not to be sloshed. Maybe next week he’ll be sober enough to put something together.
Fauxialism
Here's Mike asking Sqrlsy to help him troll.
Mike Laursen
September.18.2021 at 11:38 am
SQRLSY, can you cover for me today? In a typical day, I usually:
– post a comment or two pointing out logical flaws, contradictions and partisanship in Ken’s essays, which he regards as examples of flawless logical thinking
– post a comment or two pointing out that Ashli Babbitt was not a saint and the January 6th MAGA rioters were violent
– post one “Fuck Tulpa!” comment
https://reason.com/2021/09/18/environmentalists-pan-unintended-environmental-consequences-of-flawed-agricultural-laws/#comment-9110728
Mike Liarson, who is a squawking bird named Dee, became White Knight so that she could convince her sick little mind that she wasn’t responsible for the fucked up things that she did. Like when she stole my handle, and several others, to teach “Tulpa” a lesson.
You see, nobody cared enough for her liking that Tulpa knew how to mimic people’s handles, so she started stealing people’s handles to get them to care about her problem.
But nobody cared. I slapped Dee around so thoroughly that she quickly gave up trying to steal my handle, as others did the same.
Poor Dee’s pitiful reaction to this embarrassment, which mostly consisted of her appeal to the authority of Reason editors and her alleged relationships with them, who would soon save her from the anarchy that lived in these comments, quickly reminded me of all those times before at that bar back in Philly when she ran around squawking like a bird.
I would use ‘razing” for reason (as in the rational faculty). The word you used—pro China— is reason as in: “The reason I said that is….”
Razum!!! Yobanni v rot autocorrect
And I have never seen rain turn into snow... but the results are the reason people believe it happens.
He may not "side" with Dems but he certainly frames them as always the better option, less threatening to liberty, and/or not nearly as deadly as potential fascism (never mind the last 100 years of history much less the last year or two of cities on fire for over ONE HUNDRED STRAIGHT DAYS versus a few hours in the capital building).
Poor Dee doesn’t realize that by saying this, most of the commentariat will think that she has, in fact, seen sarcasmic side up with Democrats.
That’s a good succinct description of the whole topic.
Nor do we care.
It’s so fucking obvious.
“You see, nobody cared enough for her liking that Tulpa knew how to mimic people’s handles, so she started stealing people’s handles to get them to care about her problem.”
Just reread this, now I’m thinking Dee is a fed.
FYI, no.
Mike Laursen is a pretty standard Silicon Valley liberal whose over inflated ego led him to adopt a contrarian view and believe that he must be a libertarian. He briefly tried doing the politics thing back in the day, but that led to him having to take principled stands on things that- as a Silicon Valley Liberal- he didn't like. So as a result, he decided that the problem was the Libertarian Party, rather than his trolling, unprincipled self.
That sounds like someone I've got on mute desperately asking for attention.
Out with the 2022 list!
I have a feeling sarc can’t go ask glibs. Remember, sarc said he was leaving here for good and going to glibs, and was gone several days. Then he came back pretending he never left and never said anything about why he didn’t stay there.
My guess is because he got banned there so he came back.
Triggered lefty lashes out, take 3.
Oh no! He looked at two Rolling Stone articles when he said he doesn't read it regularly! That makes him a liar and everything he says is a lie!
You're as bad as GG when he claims I'm Squirrely because we agree with each other now and than.
"He looked at two Rolling Stone articles when he said he doesn't read it regularly! That makes him a liar and everything he says is a lie!"
See this just shows you aren't even reading what I post. Because that isn't even what happened. If you are going to feign selective amnesia and misunderstanding, at least put some effort into it, sarc.
Is he still going on about the Rolling Stone thing. Jeez.
Lying outhisass:
Set up a "private trust" where he doesn't know anything about his business
HANNITY: Yes. Would you, if president, would you go to the private trust, a secret trust where you don't know anything about your business? TRUMP: I would do that. And you know, my children are very capable and I have great executives. So I would do that. And my executives and my children would run my companies.
[Fox News - Hannity, 2/8/16]
De vil:
Won't use foul language ever again
I won't use foul language. I’m just not going to do it. No. I’m not. ... Because they always have a- even if it's not a bad word, if it's a little bit off, they kill me, so I won't do it. I’ll never do it again actually. And I’ll never even copy somebody what they asked me to say right.
[Baton Rouge, LA, 2/11/16]
Will indict Hillary
Q: Our last question, if you are elected president, and there is a criminal indictment for Hillary, will you pursue it? TRUMP: The answer is that you have to.
[Fox News - Hannity, 3/9/16]
Will cut ties to companies
Q: Seven in ten voters told us in a CNN polls they want to see you cut ties with your business while you are running for president-- TRUMP: I will do that. Q: Will you do that while-- TRUMP: Oh yea, I’ll do that. Q: --while you're running though? TRUMP: I will do that. Well, I don't think it matters while I'm running. While I am running it doesn't matter. And again I'm here really for the sole reason, although I did want to see the job that Eric did, because if he didn't do a good job he wouldn't be standing here right now, to be very-- . I would give him a hard time. He did a beyond job. Beyond. This is phenomenal. I mean, every-- Just as you view this great course, you have to see the hotel that we build. It's phenomenal. But no, I will absolutely cut ties. You know, the rules are -- nobody knows, okay? It's never happened where somebody has this big a business and runs for president and wins. If I win-- Even though I don't have to do that, I will probably put everything in trust. My children will run it along with my executives. It's a big company. My children will run it along with my executives and just do a good job of running it. Let me tell you the importance of the opportunity that I may be given is so important and so massive. Making great trade deals with China and with you folks by the way, but with China, the numbers are so staggering. When you look at trade deficits of 4- and $500 billion a year, the numbers are so staggering and so incredible. I wouldn't even be thinking about the business. I mean, who cares? I mean I would actually say who cares? No, I would absolutely -- you don't have to do this, but I would most likely just put it in a blind trust and they would run it or something.
[Turnburry, Scotland, 6/24/16]
Eliminate entire $19 trillion in national debt in eight years
TRUMP: We’ve got to get rid of the $19 trillion in debt. WOODWARD: How long would that take? TRUMP: I think I could do it fairly quickly, because of the fact the numbers… WOODWARD: What’s fairly quickly? TRUMP: Well, I would say over a period of eight years. And I’ll tell you why. WOODWARD: Would you ever be open to tax increases as part of that, to solve the problem? renegotiating all of our deals, Bob. The big trade deals that we’re doing so badly on. With China, $505 billion this year in trade. We’re losing with everybody.
[Washington Post, 3/31/16]
This is Sqrlsy, right?
Immigrants preaching hate will be deported.
The support networks for Radical Islam in this country will be stripped out and removed one by one, viciously if necessary. Viciously if necessary. Immigration offices will also have their powers restored. They've been taken away. Those who are guests in our country that are preaching hate will be asked to return home immediately and if they don't do it we will return them home.
[Youngstown, OH, 8/15/16]
Will keep promises, won't be voted in with fanfare and then do nothing.
Promises, promises, all talk, no action. All talk, no action politicians. They talk, talk, talk, talk. You vote them in with great fanfare, and then they do nothing. With Trump, that's not going to happen.
[Dimondale, MI, 8/19/16]