Defending OSHA's Vaccine Mandate, Sonia Sotomayor Says 'I'm Not Sure I Understand the Distinction' Between State and Federal Powers
The justice's reference to a national "police power" raised some eyebrows.

On Friday, when the Supreme Court considered whether it should block enforcement of the Biden administration's COVID-19 vaccine mandate for private employers, most of the discussion focused on whether the Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) has the statutory authority to issue that rule. But the justices and lawyers also touched on a constitutional argument against the mandate, one that hinges on the distinction between state and federal powers.
Justice Sonia Sotomayor claimed not to understand this distinction.
OSHA's "emergency temporary standard" (ETS), which it published on November 5, demands that companies with 100 or more employees require them to be vaccinated or wear face masks and submit to weekly virus testing. While arguing that OSHA does not have the power to issue such an order, Ohio Solicitor General Benjamin Flowers said "there may be many states, subject to their own state laws, that could impose this [policy] themselves." Sotomayor said she found that concession puzzling.
"If it's within the police power to protect the health and welfare of workers," she said, "you seem to be saying the states can do it, but you're saying the federal government can't, even though it's facing the same crisis in interstate commerce that states are facing within their own borders. I'm not sure I understand the distinction—why the states would have the power but the federal government wouldn't."
Flowers noted that "the federal government has no police power"—the general authority to enact legislation aimed at protecting public health, safety, morals, and welfare. While states retain that broad authority under the Constitution, the federal government is limited to specifically enumerated powers. This principle is reflected in the 10th Amendment, which says "the powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."
Sotomayor alluded to one of those delegated powers: the regulation of interstate commerce, which is the constitutional rationale for the law that authorizes OSHA to issue regulations aimed at protecting employees from workplace hazards. But when Flowers noted that the Commerce Clause, notwithstanding how broadly the Supreme Court has interpreted it, does not give the federal government a general police power, Sotomayor seemed to disagree:
Sotomayor: It does have power with respect to protecting the health and safety of workers. We have accept[ed] the constitutionality of OSHA.
Flowers: Yes. I took you to be asking if they had a police power to protect public health.
Sotomayor: No, they have a police power to protect workers.
Flowers: I would not call it a police power. I think the Commerce Clause power allows them to address health…in the context of the workplace.
Sotomayor: Exactly.
At this point, Chief Justice John Roberts interrupted the exchange, saying, "It's a good time to move to our sequential questioning."
Sotomayor's reference to a federal "police power" was not quite as striking as her false claims about the omicron variant's impact on children. But her exchange with Flowers raised some eyebrows.
"Sotomayor professed not to be able to understand the distinction between federal authority and state police powers," National Review's Isaac Schorr wrote. "Sotomayor claims not to understand [the] distinction between state and federal power," Ilya Shapiro, director of the Cato Institute's Robert A. Levy Center for Constitutional Studies, tweeted. "Mind-boggling. Calls OSHA's regulatory authority…a 'police power.' OH SG tries to explain con law 101, eventually Roberts rescues the embarrassing discourse."
Perhaps Sotomayor misspoke, referring to a "police power" when what she really had in mind was the federal government's authority under the Commerce Clause. But the extent of that authority—and whether it covers a policy that arguably amounts to a general vaccine mandate—is one of the issues in this case.
When the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 5th Circuit extended its stay on the ETS in November, the unanimous three-judge panel said the mandate "likely exceeds the federal government's authority under the Commerce Clause because it regulates noneconomic inactivity that falls squarely within the States' police power." After the challenges to the ETS were consolidated and assigned to the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 6th Circuit, a divided three-judge panel lifted that stay. In addition to the other arguments that the 5th Circuit found persuasive, the majority rejected the idea that the ETS "regulates noneconomic inactivity"—i.e., the choice to forgo vaccination. That claim "miss[es] the mark," Judge Jane Stranch wrote, because "the ETS regulates employers with more than 100 employees, not individuals," and "it is indisputable that those employers are engaged in commercial activity that Congress has the power to regulate when hiring employees, producing, selling and buying goods, etc."
Prior to that decision, 6th Circuit Chief Judge Jeffrey Sutton had expressed more sympathy for the Commerce Clause argument against the ETS. "Does this regulation of noncommercial inactivity—a requirement that the unvaccinated get shots or weekly tests—exceed Congress's Commerce Clause power?" Sutton asked in a dissent when 16 judges split evenly on the question of whether they should hear the case rather than leave it to a three-judge panel. "It's doubtful this federal power sweeps this broadly given the vertical separation of powers embedded in our Constitution. There is a Commerce Clause, yes. It gives Congress broad powers, to be sure. And it helps the Federal Government to resolve some collective-action problems affecting interstate commerce, no doubt. But through it all, it remains a Commerce Clause, not a collective-action clause—and not a clause that grants the national government all of the police powers customarily associated with state governments in order to fix any new societal challenge."
Shapiro makes the same point in a Newsweek essay. "It's axiomatic to the American system of government that sovereignty is divided such that states wield power in their domains, while Washington, D.C. governs national issues like defense and interstate commerce," he writes. "Modern constitutional law has blurred that distinction and expanded federal power, but there's still no question that the Virginia Department of Labor could impose an occupational vaccine mandate in my home state, while OSHA's attempt to do so has literally become a federal case."
Shapiro notes that "federal lawmaking powers are constitutionally enumerated—and thus limited to those listed in Article I, Section 8—while states enjoy a broader 'police power' to regulate on behalf of public health, safety, welfare and morals." This is the crucial distinction that Sotomayor blurred when she talked about a federal "police power."
When President Joe Biden announced the OSHA rule in September, he presented it as part of his plan for "vaccinating the unvaccinated." MSNBC anchor Stephanie Ruhle called the ETS "the ultimate work-around for the Federal govt to require vaccinations." White House Chief of Staff Ronald Klain retweeted Ruhle's comment, reinforcing the impression that Biden was trying to disguise a general vaccine mandate as a workplace safety measure authorized by the Commerce Clause.
On Friday, Chief Justice John Roberts alluded to that incident, saying the ETS "has been referred to…as a work-around." Justice Neil Gorsuch used the same term. "Given that no federal agency can impose a general mandate, precisely because the federal government lacks a police power," Shapiro writes, "OSHA's 'work-around' is just an attempted short-circuiting of the law."
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Can we just stop pretending she's not an idiot? People never seem to have that problem when it comes to Republicans
She identifies as “wise” though.
Wise Latina....and not wise LatinX. 🙂
Hey, if Dungeons & Dragons has taught us anything, it's that you can have high Wisdom at the same time as mediocre Intelligence.
That would be Forest Gump, I suppose.
Fantastic. +1
I think she has 3’s in both categories.
Is she an idiot or just a typical leftist with their understanding of government power versus what's actually in the Constitution? This is more typical prog evil rather than forgivable stupid.
Regardless of her idiocy, was there any real chance that an Obama nominated Minority Woman of Color not be confirmed? On the flip side, I don't think there's any chance an equally stupid white man would have received enough scrutiny to keep him off the bench.
He would not have been nominated.
You’re assuming she has actually read the Constitution.
She certainly doesn't understand it.
We should send her thousands of copies.
https://store.cato.org/collections/frontpage/products/cato-pocket-constitution
She will be fine as long as she doesn't try to vaccinate anyone here in the sunny South!
I don't generally like to quickly conclude that anyone is an idiot. But Sotomayor has pretty well convinced me in the past few days.
There is definitely a preponderance of evidence, if not beyond a reasonable doubt.
Justice Sotomayer is not an idiot but she is not well educated about the history and substance of the US Constitution. Her historical knowledge is zilch and it is very important for her to be a distinguished member of her 'tribe'. It is an issue of ego as opposed to 'ignorance' in the sense of no facts, no common sense, limited life experience. Now I know it is not popular to think that women have ego issues but let's just look at the two senior ladies on the court and RBG. Narrow life experience. Serious egos/
RBG had a dying wish.
Sotomayer has a lying wish.
A Supreme Court justice that doesn’t know what the constitution means isn’t an idiot? That’s a generous stance.
To the progressive, the constitution means what they want it to mean.
This is not evidence she is stupid, but that she said the quiet part out loud.
Even more generous than Larry Craig’s stance.
Thats a long way to say 'idiot.'
W was prevented from putting his cleaning lady on the court. Obama got two of his in.
Worker Service !
Sotomayor is Reason's favorite SCOTUS justice.
she came into the case with a decision already made and attempted to trap the OH SG into a situation where she could call them out and ask if they were correcting a sitting justice, one who just happens to a woman and Latino. Then she could just righteously dismiss the OH SG argument as one from a bigot.
Robert's moved to protect the court, not her. He saw the circus she was bringing to town
It sounds to me as though she is saying the commerce power amounts to a mini police power as to matters affecting interstate commerce (in the broadest conceivable scope of the word "affect.") I see the point, but I don't like it. Metaphors are prone to lead to broader interpretations than merely following the text. So it's easy to see why someone such as Sotomayor would like them and why someone such as I would not.
Wont comment on whether she might be an idiot.
I do recall Mark Twain;
It is better to keep ones mouth shut an be thought a fool, than open it and remove all doubt.
Also remember all the talk about Justice Thomas' silence during oral arguments.
Justice Sotomayor
Justice Thomas
hmmmm?
Small hands:
Do stop and frisk
Well, one of the things I'd do, Ricardo, is, I would do stop and frisk. I think you have to. We did it in New York. It worked incredibly well.
[Fox News, 9/23/16]
Are you suggesting the best way to get to the bottom of Justice Sotomeyer is see what is lurking under the robe?
Homeboy's gone in to full NPC-bot mode in the faint hopes that screaming in to the void will finally get him that internet win he's been desperate for.
Screaming into the void: POLITFACT!!!!!!!!
No, I think he's suggesting we should check her glove size, as it's a reliable indicator of somebody's merits.
Huh? Did Sotomayor say that? What does that have to do with OSHA?
dbruce is an anti-Trump bot who copy-pastes random pieces of Trump quotes in every article. Not worth any engagement.
He is shrike with more brevity.
Sqrls without the ALL-CAPS.
I'd rather have a Reason commenter picked at random on the bench, and that's even with the small chance we end up with a Joe Friday-level idiot to replace one we already have sitting.
What if you end up with the jackass that posted above you?
But we could end up with the jackass that posted below you!
At least he's right!
Could probably fit both under her robe.
Awkward visual on that one..... ew
@RevCuntland, this (Sotomayor) is one of your "betters" on SCOTUS, right?
It could be a good thing. Borrowing a metaphor from Happy Gilmore: Roberts playing the straightest constitutionalist round of golf in his life ends it in a fist fight with Joe Friday to make sure the ill-tempered, no-talent, flash-in-the-pan hack knows his place... Bitch.
Thats the chance you take,we aint no better of with Sonia ruby begonia!
That’s the best thing she could do: Be Gone, Ya!
That almost reminds me of a quote, something about a Chinese phonebook.
This is telling. It's telling in terms of the slide into authoritarianism on the left. Sotomeyer's reasoning is authoritarian, but it isn't radical on the left. This is the center of progressive thought these days. They're openly authoritarian. Yes, really.
Waahhh, why are you so mean to progressives (which I’m definitely not one)?
— Deesarc
It was like when the Rittenhouse DA face-palmed.
I watched that clip several times.
Sotomayor knows the difference. She also knows that abiding by the Constitution forces her to rule against her beliefs.
The Founders imagined three branches of government competing for power, resulting in limited government.
They didn't imagine three branches giving total deference to each other, resulting in unlimited government.
She also knows that flouting the constitution will result in no negative consequences for her.
Living constitutionalism is the doctrine that the Constitution IS her beliefs.
What a bunch of racist nonsense. The only possible reason Reason could not like Sotomayor is because she's a Mexican American appointed by an African American. That's it. This is a biased, conservative article by a racist magazine. I bet every one of the staff voted for Trump.
Ideas!
Sabotage the dialogue with an outrageous comment? Anything to conflate and distract from Sotomayor's fuck up.
an outrageous comment
Isn't that par for the course around here?
Actually, it is not. Look at all the other top-thread posts. Sarcasm, bluster, vitriol; but all directed either at the author or the subject of the article.
Then you have Sarc. He will claim it is sarcasm, but notice it is not directed at the article or the author. He is specifically trolling a portion of the commentariat. An outrageous comment because it was only written to inspire contempt.
Whether he intends to or not, he serves same role as the Marxist apologizers.
Conflate the issues --> Confound the discussion --> If all else fails, distract, distract, distract.
@Chucky - wow, you have sarc perfectly pegged and described... wish there was a way to bookmark comments
sarcasmic....Are you auditioning to become OBL Mimi-Me?
Impossible. OBL is actually entertaining.
OBL is imminently funny. My pet guinea pig is funnier than sarc.
Auditioning being the keyword. He's our own William Hung.
More importantly, OBL, whether genuine or performace artist, is more principled and coherent than sarcasmic.
Uh, the Wise Latina is Puerto Rican.
Thats insane,when can we dislike the results of the person for the job they do or dont do?? Its never enough to view the reality & decide for yourself,you have the typical blame excuse for whatever the person did or didnt do,minority,woman,man,gay,fool etc...,look in the mirror & pick a reason for your problems,or pick your nose,whatever works for ya!
is this more of your idiocy you will later claim was a terrible attempt at sarcasm?
Poor sarc. So sad.
At this point, Chief Justice John Roberts interrupted the exchange, saying, "It's a good time to move to our sequential questioning."
His colleague had embarrassed the court long enough, he figured.
yes, pivoting the discussion to what's at the buffet table was a shrewd, tactical move.
Without evidence, she claimed to be "a wise Latina."
The transmission was garbled; what she said was "wise-ass Latina"
Ah, yes. The Super Elastic interpretation of the Commerce Clause, the favorite of statists all across the country. It's as if the rest of the Constitution doesn't exist.
Was it ever used to REMOVE government roadblocks to free commerce instead of IMPOSING them?
This is more scary than embarrassing. Wow.
'I'm Not Sure I Understand the Distinction' Between State and Federal Powers
Isn't this sort of ignorance an instant disqualification from sitting on a court that reviews the constitutionality of laws? Who the hell put this woman on the supreme court and how could they have vetted her so poorly?
The same people that celebrated the transcendent moment that was Kamala becoming VP.
Brought to you by the Gang of Nine: Kit Bond, Susan Collins, Lindsey Graham, Judd Gregg, Richard Lugar, Mel Martinez, Olympia Snowe and George Voinovich.
Christ, even Ted Kennedy didn't vote for her (absent due to heath, right before he drove his car off to that great big bar in the sky).
Drove his car into the celestial river, you mean.
Oddly, no. It isn't.
Part of questioning is to get the lawyers in the room to explain something to get it on the record. So you can say "I don't understand..." to draw out the question and lead the lawyers.
Now, everything that came after that sure is remarkably embarrassing. This has been a bad couple of sessions for Sotomayor's reputation, that's for certain. But the "I'm not sure that" in and of itself isn't unheard of amongst jurists who are very sure of something, but want someone else to say it.
It is what comes after that distinguishes this as embarrassingly ignorant from the rhetorical trick you describe.
This is a very generous interpretation; there is little to suggest this from her history on the court. No prior use of this technique that I can see in an admittedly quick scanning.
We appoint these Justices to render their opinions on The Law. We should not expect facts or reality to be aligned with opinions.
Man, you really have to love their interpretation of the Commmerce Clause. Is there anything it doesn’t let them get away with?
Nope. That's how you know it's wrong. If the Commerce Clause was meant to say what they claim it says, there would be no Constitution at all. Just a note that says "Yep, government can do that too."
Yeah, but the constitution was written by Straight White Men, so of course it's wrong.
Are you sure they were all straight?
Or, "pure" White (whateverthehell that might mean)?
Ironically, we're back on the 'one drop' standard again. It's just white this time.
EXACTLY. The court is just an extension of government at this point. Justifying every damn thing the government wants to get away with, usually under the commerce clause.
Nope, that's the whole point. Damn FDR to eternal hell.
States have more power because a citizen has more power with state legislators than with US legislators. Also a citizen can move to a neighboring state if state laws get too despotic.
We have people on the supreme court who are not qualified to be there, and are there for no other reason than their ethic or gender profile. This is what you get.
"ethic"
Wasn't that John's law? Some typo law somewhere covers that one.
Indeed. Hopefully John is well, wherever he is.
Enumerated, eshnumerated.
See the robes? It means what we say it means.
Not sure she is qualified to staff the fries station at a Wendy’s.
Wendy's maybe. Or Taco Bell. I don't think she's McDonalds material, though.
She’d be In N Out in a day!
Jesus. That's bad. Is she really that much of a fucking idiot?
COVID is EbolAIDS, but can be beaten by Cherry NyQuil:
Medicine in short supply as colds, COVID surge
By Grant DeMars
Published: Jan. 7, 2022 at 9:27 PM MST
AUGUSTA, Kan. (KWCH) - Whether it’s COVID-19 or just a common cold, more and more people are getting sick this week.
As the first week of the year comes to an end, it doesn’t show signs of letting up quite yet. So many are feeling under the weather, demand for medicine is high, and your nearby pharmacy may be in short supply or out of what you need.
“This is a year that you throw in testing and vaccines, and the flu’s come back. Last year, it wasn’t existent and now, it’s coming back. So the need is really high right now, and on top of that, we’re having supply chain issues with some of the common ones. Mucinex, this morning I was looking for Robitussin products,” said Brett Kappelmann, pharmacist and owner of Cooper Drug Store.
Kappelmann said it’s common to see business pick up each winter, but so far, 2022 stands. From cough suppressents to decongestants and antihistamines, the supply at many pharmacies and drug stores is thinning.
I wonder if the fact that it's fucking cold season has anything to do with this strange, new phenomenon of people getting sick in the winter?
Truthfully, I cannot find a way to 'defend' Justice Sotomayor's comments during her colloquy. Sullum did not take anything out of context (unusually, for him), and accurately reported what she said. As best as I can tell, she analogized the police power of states to OSHA's statutory power under the Commerce clause.
She remains a capable Justice. Note that I do not share her judicial philosophy (or political outlook, for that matter).
How can she be a capable justice and a consistent idiot at the same time?
As a paralegal student, I cringed when I read that. She’s a Supreme Court justice, and doesn’t know the difference? I don’t know whether to be scared or just plain dismayed.
A lifetime appointment, I remind you; a lifetime appointment.
It looks like keeping Garland off the bench was the best thing the republicans did in last decade.
If you had told me 10 years ago that at some point, Mitch McConnell and Donald Trump would be all that stood between us and a SCOTUS approved police state, I would have laughed in your face.
The harsh political reality of the SCOTUS appointment process may have revealed that Kavanaugh is not immune to anger and frustration. But it turned Garland into a Bond villain.
I'm convinced Garland is a megalomaniac, mixed in with post modernist Marxism. He is very dangerous.
Yes, it's a good thing he is not of that court.
Soon I expect the FBI SWAT will be knocking my front door in with CNN in tow to record the show.
After all, we are all now dangerous domestic terrorists.
“This is how our republic is killed off—not by nefarious conspiracy, but through sheer idiocy.”
The Commerce Clause has been bastardized beyond recognition.
Sotomayor - a Bronx born Princeton grad - is the only real lawyer and judge on a Supreme Court of pampered academics. She was a NYC DA lawyer prosecuting real crimes, then a fed circuit court judge hearing real cases named by Sen.s Moynihan (D) and D'Amato (R) and nominated by Bush I. She's known as no nonsense and tough.
And for all that, she still fucked up big-time.
And now she can be known as inept.
REAL crimes. REAL cases.
Really stupid.
Yet she came across as an utter idiot....
A judge is a law student who grades his own papers. H.L. Mencken
Is Joe doing parody now?
She has a point. After ruling that the commerce clause means a federal police force can come onto your land to arrest and imprison you for growing a plant exclusively for your own consumption, legally under state law, can anyone make an argument with a straight face that *any* federal police action isn't justifiable under the same standard?
I think Wickard and Raich were wrongly decided, but it's pure unadulterated bullshit to claim there's no federal police power while those decisions stand. Obviously workplace safety impacts interstate commerce under the theory advanced in those cases.
On one side is precedent and law. On the other is a strained reach for gov't authoritarianism.
I'm stuck trying to think of a charitable interpretation of this where she's merely being misquoted. How can someone on the nation's highest court not know that the federal government does not possess a general police power? I didn't even think that was an ambiguous grey area outside of "constitution free zones", which I guess is "everywhere" now because commerce happens (or doesn't happen!) across state lines and everything can be defined as commerce at some level ergo the feds can just do whatever they want wherever they want whenever they want to whoever they want for whatever reason they want and just say "commerce clause!"
How can someone on the nation's highest court not know that the federal government does not possess a general police power?
See: Gonzalez v Raich.
It’s a fair point. Which is the problem with relying wholly on precedent. One Crap decision can funnel you right down a very unconstitutional path.
It’s also tangled up in the broader issue of unelected, rule by memo agencies being to just do what ever the fuck they want.
I’d still argue that even in this context, OSHA is (or was imagined) as a very different entity than the DEA. That an invasive procedure being required for every individual is a vastly different “police power” than banning a politically incorrect intoxicants. And that what’s at the heart of this supposed “power” in this case, is a presidential executive order.
So much for all that "Wise Latina" BS from her confirmation hearing, eh?
If she doesn't understand the distinction between Federal and State powers, which is called Federalism, she has no place on the Supreme court.
On a side note, why is no on talking about these vaccines have been exempted from all liability for damages? That alone should mean no mandates. Trump gave no liability from damages to these vaccines to expedite there development, but he never mandated anyone take the vaccine. It was every individuals personal choice.
To be forced to take an experimental gene therapy vaccine with no liability for damages is violence against the person. You would think Reason that "claims" to be libertarian would at least be talking about that. Yet in their defense of everything Biden, they are not.
To be forced to take an experimental gene therapy vaccine with no liability for damages is violence against the person. You would think Reason that "claims" to be libertarian would at least be talking about that. Yet in their defense of everything Biden, they are not.
Even objectively, at this point, it's a pretty overt "Fuck you and tell your friends they will get fucked as well." to anyone who thinks "I got the jab and then got sick." out loud. A year ago, it might have made some sense in line with their morals/scruples, but after a year your pretty much admitting that "Yeah, it does some harm, but we can't let that harm get in the way of inflicting it on everyone equally."
All vaccines do "some harm". That harm is listed and known both short and long term, and there is liability for damages. "Some harm" can be catastrophic to you or a loved one. Our history is one of compensation for that. Why should these vaccines by different? They should not.
Sotomayor: It does have power with respect to protecting the health and safety of workers. We have accept[ed] the constitutionality of OSHA.
The acceptance that an explanatory clause is a delegated power is the problem here.
And this is what happens with affirmative action hires.
'What’s The Difference Between A Human And A Toaster?' Asks One Of Nine Most Powerful People In Country
Sotomayor, one of the most powerful people in American politics, has been getting philosophical lately as she contemplates the difference between a human being and a malfunctioning toaster. The question first arose last week when she heard oral arguments for a national vaccine mandate, but in the days since, the question has consumed her.
"Like, seriously, what is the difference?" she said to her fellow justices. "Malfunctioning toasters that spew sparks don't have human rights, so why should humans?"
https://babylonbee.com/news/whats-the-difference-between-a-human-and-a-toaster-asks-one-of-nine-most-powerful-people-in-country
'What’s The Difference Between Sotomayor And A Toaster?'
1. A toaster is smarter
2. A toaster is less politically partisan
3. A toaster has has more value to mankind
She knew exactly what she was saying and where this was going. This is where progressive policy wants to go. So given her open ploy to enshrine an even greater expansion of unconstitutional police power, what is the best we can hope for?
A return to a true federalism? I believe that is about the only hope this country has. And no doubt more than a few eggs will have to be broken to make that omelette.
If she knew the history of the US and our founding fathers first attempt at government with the Articles of Confederation she would understand out founders fear of a powerful central government and the Constitution. Of course the states also became mini-dictatorships. printing their own money, setting up state border crossings and excessively taxing interstate commerce. That is why they tried again with Federalism and restricting Federal powers, especially as to the Armed Forces and Police powers, which are forbidden by the Constitution. The states governors are given that power with their national guard units.
What's troubling is that she thinks the federal government has a 'general police power'. She should know better.
The states have the general police power' - a governor likely could order a vaccine mandate - but the federal government is explicitly restricted to it's enumerated powers.
Per CDC...a total of 50,000 have died of COVID specifically. Everybody else had OTHER issues.
This emergency pandemic is anything but.
Next time someone is up for a Supreme Court position someone please ask them this question. We can't have more ignorance like this on the supreme court.
I don't believe it is ignorance at all; this is just where she wants government to go, so more likely gross disregard for any restriction to enumerated powers.
A common trait of alcoholics is they are never wrong.
This is his turn to try to claim he hasn't been a troll for the last year. On saturday he started the claim that these idiotic strawman posts are simply sarcasm. He reiterated that this morning in the roundup. He doesn't know what sarcasm is. Just like he still doesn't know what tu quoque or a strawman is.