CDC Pushes Flawed Study on Kids, COVID-19, and Diabetes
Plus: Noncitizens can vote in New York City, making baseball fair, and more...

Does COVID-19 cause diabetes in kids? The list of scary COVID-19 complications continues to grow, with the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) now saying that the coronavirus could increase the risk of children developing diabetes. But there may be some serious flaws in the CDC's study and subsequent reporting on it.
"Persons aged <18 years with COVID-19 were more likely to receive a new diabetes diagnosis >30 days after infection than were those without COVID-19 and those with prepandemic acute respiratory infections," the CDC announced on January 7.
Looking at two insurance claim databases, researchers found new diabetes diagnoses in kids who had COVID-19 were 31 percent and 166 percent more likely to occur (depending on the database) than in kids who didn't have COVID-19. Diabetes diagnosis was 116 percent more likely in kids with COVID-19 than in kids with pre-COVID respiratory infections.
CDC researcher and lead study author Sharon Saydah told The New York Times that the study—which did not distinguish between Type 1 and Type 2 diabetes—illustrates the importance of getting kids vaccinated and of behaviors like wearing masks. Similarly, the CDC summary says that the study "highlights the importance of COVID-19 prevention strategies in this age group."
Both statements suggest COVID-19 could cause diabetes in kids.
But there are several reasons to be skeptical of the idea that COVID-19 causes diabetes in children, as opposed to just being correlated.
Vinay Prasad, a hematologist-oncologist and an associate professor at the University of California, San Francisco, details some such reasons, calling the study "embarrassing." But first, Prasad notes that in absolute terms, the number of kids with COVID-19 in the databases who also had diabetes was quite small. In one database, it was 68 out of 80,000, or 0.08 percent, compared to 0.03 percent for kids who didn't have COVID-19. In the other, "the risk of diabetes post COVID19 was 0.25% (a quarter of 1 percent)," compared to 0.19 percent for kids without COVID-19.
"The CDC trumpets this finding as 'children and teens 18 years & younger who have had #COVID19 are up to 2.5 times more likely to have a #diabetes diagnosis after infection,'" notes Prasad. "Is that a fair take away or a fear-mongering distortion?"
It's also important to note that the study only included children who received an official COVID-19 diagnosis, sought medical care for it, and used health insurance, not all kids who had COVID-19. This means the absolute risk could be even smaller.
There are at least several other limitations with the CDC's implication of causation. For one, it hinges on the idea that the cohort of children who develop COVID-19 are exactly alike with the cohort of children who do not. "But COVID may be more likely to affect kids of lower socioeconomic status, of certain races, and kids who were already overweight or suffering from medical problems," Prasad points out.
Differences in weight, family income, etc., might make kids who get COVID-19 at a heightened risk of diabetes, independent of COVID-19 status.
"Does the CDC attempt to correct for any of these confounders? Not at all," notes Prasad. "They surely have height and weight, and could adjust for BMI, but do not. I am truly puzzled as to why."
Another confounding factor is the decreased activity and increased weight gain experienced by children during the pandemic. These things could trigger more cases of diabetes (independent of whether a kid has had COVID-19) and explain why diagnosis was more likely in recent years than in pre-pandemic times. ("COVID-19 might have indirectly increased diabetes risk through pandemic-associated increases in body mass index, a risk factor for both serious COVID-19 illness and diabetes," the researchers point out. "Future studies addressing the role of comorbidities and increases in body mass index in post–COVID-19 diabetes are warranted.")
In addition, kids who get medical attention for COVID-19 may be subjected to more tests than those who were treated for a less novel respiratory illness. And these additional blood tests could lead to more diabetes diagnoses.
It's still possible that COVID-19 leads to children developing diabetes. But this study doesn't really tell us that.
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New York City will allow legal but noncitizen immigrants to vote. "The measure applies to legal residents, including those with green cards and so-called Dreamers who were brought to the country illegally as children but were allowed to remain under a federal program known as DACA," reports The New York Times. It's expected to allow more than 800,000 noncitizens to vote in New York City elections.
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Lawsuit seeks to end antitrust exception for baseball. Almost 100 years ago, the Supreme Court "ruled that professional baseball was exempt from the Sherman Antitrust Act passed three decades earlier, which meant teams could collude to suppress wages and dictate the fortunes of member clubs in ways that would be illegal in other big business spheres," notes The Washington Post. "Now, a century later, lawyers representing four of the 40 minor league franchises that lost their affiliations with major league teams last year are hoping they have the right case to bait the Supreme Court into ending that exemption once and for all." More:
Lawyers representing the Staten Island Yankees and three other teams filed a lawsuit to the U.S. District Court in the Southern District of New York in late December. In the suit, they argue that Major League Baseball's decision to end big league affiliations with those minor league clubs represents anticompetitive behavior in violation of the Sherman Antitrust Act — collusion on the part of MLB and its member organizations to eliminate the free market's role in determining which franchises survive and which do not.
More importantly, they argue that the unique antitrust exemption that has allowed MLB to violate that act in various ways for years is "anachronistic" and should be cast "into the dustbin of antitrust history," citing the court's own skepticism about the baseball exemption as written into its landmark decision about amateurism in NCAA v. Alston last year.
See also: "How Government Devastated Minor League Baseball," from Matt Welch in Reason's November 2021 issue.
QUICK HITS
• The U.S. Department of Defense has a new office to study "unidentified aerial phenomenon."
• The California Department of Public Health says hospital workers who test positive for COVID-19 can continue working.
• Classes are canceled at Chicago public schools again today.
• Assessing President Joe Biden's immigration record:
This is an absolutely scathing report card on biden's first year in immigration policy. Cato's immigration scholars plausibly characterize it as Donald Trump's second term. https://t.co/9s4tWOJs2H
— Timothy B. Lee (@binarybits) January 6, 2022
• "So far, web3 has been more like a buzzword that's designed more to confuse than to illuminate, and it's causing something like an identity crisis for the tech industry — with implications for the rest of us," suggests David Ingram at NBC News.
• Omicron by the numbers: "In New York City, Boston and Chicago — cities with some of the country's earliest Omicron surges — deaths have followed cases at a slightly reduced scale than in previous peaks. But because of the extraordinarily high case count, even a proportionally lower death toll from the current case curve in the United States could be devastating."
• Interesting findings from a new study on policing:
https://twitter.com/JohnFPfaff/status/1480038814299131914
• Reason's Brian Doherty reviews A World After Liberalism, which "details the rise of a young right that finds reactionary ideas relevant and appealing."
• In Kazakhstan, "at least 164 people have been killed and more than 5,000 detained" during recent protests, CNN reports. "Deadly protests that erupted in the Central Asian country in recent days have seen the government resign and the declaration of a state of emergency as troops from a Russia-led military alliance have been deployed to help contain the unrest."
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"This is an absolutely scathing report card on biden’s first year in immigration policy. Cato’s immigration scholars plausibly characterize it as Donald Trump’s second term."
Oh just stop it.
Drumpf put kids in cages — which I guarantee no Democrat would ever do. He literally ran concentration camps. Biden liberated and dismantled those heinous facilities as his first official act in office. (Even before he shut down the virus.)
#LibertariansForBiden
PS — If Biden's immigration record is as bad as Orange Hitler's, why haven't we seen an AOC photoshoot in which she's crying in front of a fence? What, you're gonna tell me that was just a shameless act of self-promotion?
No way. She was totally sincere. And if AOC is happier now it must mean things have improved for Black and Brown bodied immigrants.
#LibertariansForAOC
She was too busy in Miami to care.
Yep, too busy spreading the coof.
You mean the attempted assassination of AOC by Ron DeSantis. Straight out of the KGB handbook, only difference is the KGB uses depleted uranium, will DeSantis used the far deadlier Covid. Never fear though, Rachel Madow is on the case.
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Those illegal aliens want to date her.
Fake News. AOC has very clearly spoken out against the propagation of misinformation, so there is no way that such a sterling example of ethical purity and genius would stage a photo op in front of a fence to attack trump. This would make her a hypocrite, guilty of the very thing she for which she feels so strongly having other people punished. It is known this couldn't be the case, AOC is honest and supersmart.
Is it too early to say Fuck Joe Biden?
Never. Fuck Be Unto Biden!
No.
It's almost like people are beginning to realize that, from a libertarian perspective, this new administration is as bad as the previous one on some issues, and far worse on the rest.
Weird. I wish someone would have been able to predict this prior to the election. Maybe next time.
To be fair, biden has lived up to his promises. He just made his campaign website too hard to find for Reason writers.
The difference on immigration is that Biden rhetorically encourages illegal immigration. Other than that... Identical.
Which makes Biden worse on kids in cages, deportations, separated families, forced relocations....
Basically all the negative times 10... But no mean tweets.
Bonus... A much bigger underclass of illegal workers. So .. yay?
""Persons aged 30 days after infection than were those without COVID-19 and those with prepandemic acute respiratory infections," the CDC announced on January 7."
LMAO. These clowns keep showing us they have no business having power over our medical decisions or analyzing data in general.
Maybe next they will draw the conclusion that COVID causes obesity, because after all, the adults presenting to the ER with COVID also happen to be obese. These people have no understanding or correlation, causation, or basic scientific literacy, why in the hell should we take their word on anything.
"These people have no understanding or correlation, causation"
Oh they have an understanding. But they aren't here to inform, they are here to mislead. Back when we were trying to restart schools for the 2020 - 2021 school year, they passed out similar studies suggesting that even though COVID was relatively benign in kids, there were "troubling signs" that it caused long term damage to the kids. Same problems with the studies- weak correlation, and sample counts so low as to be nearly anecdotal.
But they aren't trying to actually protect anyone. These studies have one purpose: to enable folks defending lockdowns and school closures. When soccer moms are talking at the Juice Bar and one says, "Kids don't even suffer from COVID anyways!" they want another Soccer Mom to say, "Well, akshewally, they are saying kids recovering from covid have the lungs of an 80 year smoker!"
There are a lot of bad intentions, but there is also a ton of incompetence. The vast majority of our "civil servants" are overpaid fuckups who couldn't sniff that kind of money elsewhere.
Most of these "long COVID" panic pieces are largely bullshit, too, being driven by munchie women looking for attention.
It's been repeated internationally by all major world powers and proves true. All repeated studies. The dude they quote here is neither a PEDIATRIC nor an endocrine specialist. Just like you can't grasp that obesity is universally inflammatory disease causative by environmental neuroendocrine disruption. Leave the critiques to those who arent willfully simping for those stockmarket giants poisoning you and every other person. including someone who actually is peds and endocrine. This is undebateble. T1 is not at all related to obesity and has time and time again proven to be post infectiously rooted for almost a century.
researchers found new diabetes diagnoses in kids who had COVID-19 were 31 percent and 166 percent more likely to occur(depending on the database) than in kids who didn't have COVID-19
That’s some next level “lying with statistics”. If there was an award for the seamless merging of propaganda and pseudo-math, this would be a contender.
This article is an interesting potpourri of ideas, with a generous dollop of horseshit thrown in, i.e., the sentence with "Blacks and whites" mentioned, in the same sentence, and capitalization as quoted.
Funny thing is, when you mix horseshit and ice cream, you just have a whole bowl of funny colored horseshit, and no edible ice cream.
They have claimed that COVID victims are differentially black and brown (and thus deserve differential treatment priority). Will they claim that COVID causes blackness or browness? Will they then promote COVID as a cure for whiteness?
Better to cure brownness. We need more oppressors to make the whole thing work.
The U.S. Department of Defense has a new office to study "unidentified aerial phenomenon."
[cough]chemtrails[cough]
Your coughing a bit too much. Off to the gulag!
Don't look up!
(By order of law)
Ufolks should not be discussing this.
The California Department of Public Health says hospital workers who test positive for COVID-19 can continue working.
THE SCIENCE SAYS THEY NEED WORKERS TO SHOW UP
I mean if "peaceful" protest was allowed with no therapeutics or vaccine, why cant they rationalize anyone they want back at work to go back when its politically convenient for them.
If the criteria is "the benefit of The People" (aka public perception and net votes), it all makes sense.
And that doesn't completely contradict the insistence that vaccination is totally necessary how?
Because otherwise they'd all be dead and couldn't even show up for work.
All of them.
It actually perfectly contradicts every one of their previous statements and policies, all at once.
If I can go back to work right now with a positive test potentially spreading this death sentence of a disease, why does everyone else have to get 3 shots, lock down, and double mask? Seems like allowing me to knowingly spread this terrible disease makes me think its not that bad at all.
Joe Biden said the "Vaccinated cannot transmit the virus". This is Truth. YOU ALL do not seem to understand where truth comes from. Get with the science. Political science that is.
This is the kind of think that happens in anarcho-tyrannical states run by commies--one set of rules for the party elect, another set for far more restrictive ones for everyone else.
Consistency isn't the point--it's about keeping the masses alienated and in a state of free-floating anxiety, in the service of bringing about the Fully Automated Gay Space Luxury Communist Utopia that will never, ever come to pass.
Fortunately, if you live in a glorious red state, these kinds of arbitrary bullshit dictates are far less common and the influence of the neomarxist vanguard far more mitigated.
"Vaccination is the reason why we can afford to let sick hospital workers continue working!"
--Fascists, probably
Yet the tiny chance that someone with no symptoms who isn't vaccinated might infect someone is completely unacceptable.
This just shows how ham-fisted our governments are. These are the same types of people who emptied hospitals of COVID patients into nursing homes. They are myopically focused on moving one statistic rather than overall public health. In both cases, it is about hospital capacity.
The fact that a hospital is precisely the place you don't want to have an outbreak is not even in the calculation.
They are myopically focused on moving one statistic rather than overall public health.
Every institution manages to its metrics. If you really want to effect change then you need to orient management to some new KPIs, preferably backed by a real-time dashboard.
True- to an extent. In a business, everyone understands that- whatever metric we are swarming around today- the business has to make money. Companies that cannot do that don't stick around very long. This is why rallying a company around new KPIs can be so difficult- the cost of getting your KPIs wrong could be pink slips.
But in government, it doesn't fucking matter what your metrics are. You are never held to account unless you make your boss look bad. That's why mass transit success metrics are around "numbers of riders" and why public health officials will happily shovel covid patients into nursing homes and hospital nursing desks as long as it means no news video of people waiting for care in the lobby.
It's quite an impressive shell game, really. These guys are quite good at what they do. It's a shame that what they do is a series of interlinked cons, but credit where due.
I have a thought that the collapse in institutional competence and consequent collapse of societal trust in those institutions should be viewed as a consequence of the broad push for data-driven strategy and management, rather than in spite of it.
Yeah I go back and forth on this. I think data is fine and good, but sometimes people think having data is just checking a box. And this comes from bad leaders who just "trust" that if data is there, it's good enough. I know a good leader when they look at my data and start trying to figure out why I chose that specific data, and why it should matter.
In many ways, good metrics are like price in the market- it is almost magic in how well it works at driving behavior- so much so that people often don't realize that it is working. I have worked with program managers that throw dashboards against the wall hoping to show progress from anywhere. I have also worked with program managers that will agonize over metrics for months before launching the program. Without fail the latter is always more successful and people almost always attribute their success to other stuff like "better networking" or "mandates from the boss".
of societal trust in those institutions should be viewed as a consequence of the broad push for data-driven strategy and management, rather than in spite of it.
I have a long rant about how Republicans' desire back in the 80s and the 90s that "government be run like a business" backfired in the worst way... and was wholeheartedly embraced by the left.
shovel covid patients into nursing homes and hospital nursing desks as long as it means no news video of people waiting for care in the lobby.
That's the KPI.
Some states are still putting sick people back into nursing homes.
Did Cuomo start a healthcare consulting company?
I'm not saying that EcoHealth Alliance (the creepily named NGO funnelling NIH money to Wuhan) intentionally designed a plague that would depopulate the earth of exactly the "dead weight" humans dragging down leftist healthcare systems. I am just saying that if they were such Bond Movie Villains, they couldn't imagine doing much better.
When we had our first wave of COVID patients in 2020 one of my insensitive, more conspiratorial colleagues, instantly went to: "It seems the fat fucks are dying off more than anyone else, and China sure wouldnt mind cleaning the shelves of them...thats enough evidence for me!"
I'm not saying that EcoHealth Alliance (the creepily named NGO funnelling NIH money to Wuhan) intentionally designed a plague that would depopulate the earth of exactly the "dead weight" humans dragging down leftist healthcare systems.
Why not? Every other wacky conspiracy theory has been proven in the last couple of years.
Take if a step further of you want to invent a conspiracy theory. The United States paid for it knowing social security would go broke with some savings. Of course they screwed up and didn't calculate the costs of long term disability payments.
This is exactly it.
Crazy how suddenly positive people have different rules than under Trump.
But not the unclean unjabbed pieces of shit.
"But esp this: a majority of Black respondents feared being searched by police MORE than being robbed."
Then I'm surprised there aren't more Black bodies among the ranks of Koch-funded libertarians. After all, Reason writers constantly promote the f***-the-police, soft-on-crime, #EmptyThePrisons agenda.
#HandsUpDontShoot
Sounds like a good reason to pull police out of majority Black areas, so those people won't be frightened any more. What could possibly go wrong?
Are you suggesting that black-majority societies, e.g. sub-Saharan African nations (or Haiti), are not models of peace, prosperity, and equity?
One word, ungawa.
Because the cops will steal your shit and lock you up and frame you for crimes you didn't commit.
Robers just take your shit.
Duh!
And you stand a chance fighting back against the robbers.
Fighting back against the cops---not a healthy choice.
Exactly. Mandatory life in prison in some states for self defense vs cop.
Classes are canceled at Chicago public schools again today.
For the children.
Don't want them to get the diabetes.
And protect them from climate change.
Cato's immigration scholars plausibly characterize it as Donald Trump's second term.
But now with whips.
Type 1 diabetes is often diagnosed when there is an intercurrent illness that stresses a child who is getting close to clinically apparent symptoms.
Decreased insulin production, increased blood glucose levels, decreased intracellular glucose (with resultant ketosis from metabolic starvation), and dehydration from glucosuria are brewing as Type I diabetes insidiously takes hold.
Vital syndromes of all types induce decreased oral intake, exacerbating dehydration, alter metabolism worsening ketosis, and brings the inevitable diagnosis to light.
Coronavirus(the non-Covid-19 kinds) are just one of many routine vital infections that bring impending diabetes diagnosis to clinical recognition. It is no surprise that the Covid-19 version of coronavirus does the same. The study analysis and provided data does not allow one to determine whether Covid is in any way more disposative to type I diabetes. There is no currently known biologic plausibility that the Covid-19 strain (whether alpha, delta, omicron) behaves differently than any other coronavirus strain.
viral not vital. autocorrect is not my friend
Autocorrect is no one's friend. If Autocorrect were an ice-cream flavor, it would be pralines and dick
I would guess there would be a lot of suggestions here as to Reason commenters who would actually like pralines and dick.
Soldier medic?
Tony hardest hit (he wishes)
Yeah. He took it on the chin.
Did you mean Paulines and duck?
Pauline's duck butter.
If the dick is in one piece - it is easy to pick out.
"Coronavirus(the non-Covid-19 kinds) are just one of many routine vital infections that bring impending diabetes diagnosis to clinical recognition. It is no surprise that the Covid-19 version of coronavirus does the same. The study analysis and provided data does not allow one to determine whether Covid is in any way more disposative to type I diabetes. There is no currently known biologic plausibility that the Covid-19 strain (whether alpha, delta, omicron) behaves differently than any other coronavirus strain."
Ya but how can we appropriately fear monger and whip the population into shape without making up scary sounding claims that their kids are at risk?! If we just present them the actual data and conclusions they wont be appropriately cowed.
They’re drunk on messaging. It’s self-protective, and embarrassing. Assigning truths or speaking beyond groupthink, i.e., Fauci Gospel, are verboten. They can’t even acknowledge disruptive distinctions like causation/correlation. Science further slips toward the grave.
Eg, that Wallensky lady from CDC was being interviewed the other day: Jesus, her every response was “get vaccinated.” “ Hey lady, you like pizza?” Answer: “ get vaccinated.” Robotic. The questions were moot; Minitrue had issued the edict.
But yesterday she was explaining how 3/4 of covid deaths had serious comorbidities.....
"Does COVID-19 cause diabetes in kids?"
No. And when bullshit like this gets hyped up by the CDC, I just shake my head when people suggest that I should treat them like some sort of authority. This is an ABSURD study. They didn't even correct for the BMI of the kids, and the sample was some 68 kids out of 80,000. And authority on science should have looked at this and thrown it out.
But this just shows how politics is driving everything at the CDC. The Left is in the middle of an embarrassing fracture between its intransigent Teachers Unions and pretty much everyone else in the country who wants children back in school. The only way they can possibly keep their base without telling the Unions to fuck off is to give leftist parents and activists cover to claim that they are "protecting the kids".
COVID represents statistically zero risk to kids, no matter how much the allies of the Teacher's Unions try to scare parents otherwise. That the CDC is willingly joining in this scare mongering is further proof of the compromised nature of government institutions that were supposed to be apolitical.
yes this. As I said above they are either completely incompetent at analyzing the scientific literature, or purposefully trying to spin them in a deceptive/malicious way to further their political goals.
Both are bad. The second is worse. Regardless of which it is, they are giving people every reason to not trust them at all. And then theyll wonder why no one will take their advice
It's deceptive and malicious. The old rule of don't attribute malice to what can be explained by stupidity is over. The progressives, and the feds are evil cancers.
Oh, I think there's a good mix of both still.
With a heaping side of hubris. Only they can protect America from {fill in the blank}!
They're chief weapons are deception, malice, stupidity, hubris and an almost fanatical devotion to the Pope.
But if nobody expects them (to tell the truth), that means the sheeple know they peddle bullshit, but happily go along with the show.
It is possible to be stupid and malicious. When discussing a career bureaucrat, administrator, or politician, it is likely. Establishment media, social media, and entertainment, education also rife.
also, kind of reminds me how Brian Stelter and the other low rating CNN hosts (aka all of them) sit on the air lamenting how the plebs wont trust "official sources" and are "subject to misinformation"....
This is why, you lying, dishonest, fuckers
Boomers in 1970: Question authority!
Boomers in 2020: Why are you questioning authority?
Boomers in 2020: I am the authority and don't you dare question me!
Fixed.
But help me login to my Netflix account.
And bring me my Senior Coffee, Denny's Boy!
"The best way to find a job is to go to a job site, give the boss a firm handshake and look him in the eye, tell him you'll work for free for a week to prove yourself, and if he doesn't like you, he can let you go!"
But, I don't understand why 'my Yahoo' doesn't show up just like at home when I am travelling. And, my laptop is slow, I only installed every unnecessary application that caught my eye, clicked every pop-up, and have never cleaned the exhaust fans. Now, help me with my iPhone, iPad, other iJunk.
"I just shake my head when people suggest that I should treat them like some sort of authority."
Not just some sort of authority, but as holy writ. You can be censored or banned for even the perception that you contradicted that clownshow.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2018/12/10/meet-bottomless-pinocchio-new-rating-false-claim-repeated-over-over-again/
WOW! A new rating made up by one of the sites known specifically for partisan based fact checking.
Let me guess: said false rating is normally used against...Trump and republicans?! Did I get it right?
Any bottomless Pinocchio's for the many times repeated, and known false claims that:
- masks (esp cloth masks) work
- the "vaccine" keeps you from getting COVID
- schools need to stay closed because COVID is dangerous for kids
- we are experiencing a "pandemic of the unvax" despite infection rates, outcomes, being similar, and 85+% of the population having a shot anyways
Any of those democrat pushed "bottomless Pinocchio's" end up there at WaPo junior? Sorry you have been subject to non-stop misinformation and it has curdled your brain. Best get back to your bubble, its not safe out here in the real world
"Factchecks" where the facts are completely made up and never actually checked are the hottest new form of demagoguery for today's Democrat.
Benedict don: March 6 "I don't need to have the numbers double because of one ship that wasn't our fault."
Nice try, Sqrls, but manufacturing quotes kinda underscores my point.
This is sarc-level intellect at work.
Pussy grabber on domestic policy:
"I think if this country gets any kinder or gentler, it's literally going to cease to exist."
Playboy, March 1990
Why do you have such a problem with pussy?
Douchebruce is worth the mute.
Small hands: Mexico will pay for wall whether tariff or direct payment In China, the great China wall -- I mean, you want to talk about a wall, that's a serious wall, OK? That wall, you don't climb over with a ladder. You don't even go under it, OK? That wall is 13,000 miles. If you add up everything in the kitchen sink with what we're talking about on our border, it's less than 2,000 miles. And a lot of it, you don't have to do because you're covered with terrain and you're covered with areas that are already built. ... So let's say you're talking about 1,000 miles versus 13,000. And then they say you can't do it. It's peanuts. It's peanuts. And I will get Mexico, whether it's a tariff or whether they just give us the money.
[Fox News, 8/11/15]
LOL, you're desperately flailing here.
Wait. By stopping the flow of illegals at the border who was then forced to foot the bill for keeping them safe in Mexico?
Who was forced to look at the problem in a different light?
There are many ways to make more money available to purchase something, like maybe a wall. One of those ways is to not spend it on something else, like maybe supporting caravans of people looking for care and services.
Dbag is free to pay for those services today. But instead wants you to.
The lefty asshole has never been worth otherwise; repeating one lie after the other.
Yeah he's just a weird old nutbag.
Reminder: dbruce, when he started posting here a week or two ago, made a comment that Sarah Silverman was one of the top ten comics of all time because of her bad pussy jokes. That alone disqualifies it from having any judgement.
Well that, plus all of the Hihn like drivel
SQRLSy's taken Hihn's place.
brucey's more like joe from lowell.
I said she did ONE Iphone joke on a late night show.
But pity the poor teachers, who get above average pay for abbreviated work calendars (and below average skills). How dare you reject their safety concerns. Don't they deserve jobs without personal risk? Aren't they more important than, say, truck drivers, construction workers, farmers, fishermen, or energy workers?
Also they work less hours per year and get paid more than grocery store workers...who we decided had to go the fuck back to work on day 1
Norm Macdonald on heroic teachers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dAg9M-O9wGo
Forget BMI, the study did not even distinguish between type 1 and type 2. That is not a negligable difference like coke v pepsi. It is more like coke v cocaine.
But because of the extraordinarily high case count, even a proportionally lower death toll from the current case curve in the United States could be devastating.
So get boosted because if you're vaccinated you can't spread it.
We all know that isn’t true. However, those who are not spinning in an effort to discredit vaccines tell the whole truth, which is that getting vaccinated reduces your probability of spreading the natural and delta variants (possibly not the omicron variant).
The funny part is that the best thing discrediting the "vaccine" is the "vaccine".
I'm an engineer in r&d and we have two sayings "the best scientists and engineers rely on petitioning to government to change definitions in order to be right on a technicality."
The second saying is "the best scientists and engineers don't test anything, assume what they did was good, and sue if anyone tries to review their work"
Well whatever firm you work for sucks. I hope it's not a medical company. I've been an engineer in medical technology for twenty years now, and we have the opposite attitude. Some individuals may have that attitude, but they don't tend to stick around long enough to embed it in the culture.
You're basically saying that you and your firm routinely fudge the numbers. Shame.
Whoosh.
Progressives and those with leftist tendencies don't do humor, and especially not satire.
Not that they don't but that they can't. They're cartoonish zealots.
Agent orange: March 8 "We have a perfectly coordinated and fine-tuned plan at the White House for our attack on Coronavirus."
So? What did their plans for Covid have to do with the fact that you're a cartoonish zealot?
Are you just randomly replying without actually reading the thread?
Stable Genius: The deficit will be under $400 billion
“We’re not going to have a $400 billion deficit. That will go away rapidly, and we’ll get along.”
Douchebruce triples down on cartoonish zealotry.
"Are you just randomly replying without actually reading the thread?"
Yes. Yes it is. It is a script drawing from a text file full of trump insults. It doesn't even know what day it is.
I think you're probably right, Overt.
Hahahahaha, nice job proving his point there Bruce.
As expected, bb has a religious attachment to its beliefs, and isn't very bright.
Dumbass.
Please tell me which firm so i can stay away.
""the best scientists and engineers rely on petitioning to government to change definitions in order to be right on a technicality.""
Remember when Fauci had the NIH officially change the definition of gain of function research after his FOIA emails got released, so he wasn't technically guilty of supporting it?
Pepperidge Farms remembers
And thats what makes fauci a brilliant scientist
you dont get the biggest govt salary/pension in history without being the best!
"in an effort to discredit vaccines tell the whole truth"
Morning ferocious sealion. You forgot to put quotes around "vaccines".
1. The mRNA injections aren't traditional protein vaccines by any stretch. They're unproven medical tech entering their second year of testing.
2. If you received the polio vaccine four times in one year and still caught polio, you would be forgiven for thinking it didn't work. If it just minimized polio symptoms it would be a therapeutic and not a vaccine.
Timeline of mushroom dick response to Corona:
Jan 22 "We have it totally under control. It's one person coming in from China, it's going to be fine.
Feb 2 "We pretty much shut it down coming in from China."
Feb 24 "The Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA. Stock market starting to look very good to me!"
Feb 25 "CDC and my administration are doing a GREAT job of handling Coronavirus."
Feb 25 "I think that's a problem that's going to go away. They have studied it. They know very much. In fact, we're very close to a vaccine."
Feb 26 "The 15 (cases in US) within a couple days is going to be down to close to zero."
Did you masturbate while typing that?
That's really funny
Also likely true. One can easily see the progressive types furiously masturbating as they smugly type something they incorrectly believe is a particularly effective 'gotcha' response. It's the sort of people they seem to be, petty, immature, and overall just kind of pathetic.
Aside from not being true, it didn't even make sense.
You're no good at this, Sqrlsy.
Bone spurs: Mar 9 "This blindsided the world.."
I thought dbruce was Sqrlsy because of the complete irrelevance and spam nature of the responses, but do you guys think instead it might be a poorly programmed bot?
It's not even getting the general topic right.
Orange hitler: "Repeal and replace Obamacare with something terrific that is private and helps people with no money
Repeal and replace with something terrific...Other than that, it's private. You will get great plans, you will have great competition, everything else. Now, at the lower end, where people have no money, I want to try and help those people. And I don't think there's anything wrong with that. But I want to try and help those people, so they can also can -- now, it's not going to be like a good plan. It's not going to be like the finest plan that somebody that's made some money or has a good living can do."
[CNN, 7/29/15]
Orange hitler:
LOL, if only. You'd be moldering with a bullet hole in your skull instead of shitposting your Trump fetish for everyone to see.
Hmm…random insulting nickname followed by random irrelevant quote.
Could be on to something.
He-who-must-not-be-named: Will eventually apologize if wrong
I will absolutely apologize sometime in the hopefully distant future if I’m ever wrong.
[New York, NY - NBC Tonight Show with Jimmy Fallon, 9/11/15]
Voldemort did Fallon? Wasn't he out of Horcruxes at that point?
No, I think it's another stupid true believer progressive shill. It's ignorant and stupid, like the vast majority of its in-group. The tendency to respond with replies that seem out of place could mean it is shilling on multiple sites concurrently. I think it is more likely that it is the typical modern left-leaning asshole, it doesn't pay attention in conversations, except to note that the other person has finished speaking/writing, Then it responds with what it had been planning on saying. The other person is a soundboard, the other's input, comments, replies no more than placeholders between the douche's comments. If you observe conversations with left-leaning sorts, progressives, you will find that many follow this pattern.
dbot
getting vaccinated reduces your probability of spreading the natural and delta variants (possibly not the omicron variant).
All else being equal, that may be true. Probably is to some extent. But you also have to consider behavior. Vaccinated people still catch it pretty often and are probably less likely to take other measures that might reduce transmission.
"However, those who are not spinning in an effort to discredit vaccines tell the whole truth, which is that getting vaccinated reduces your probability of spreading the natural and delta variants (possibly not the omicron variant)."
And those disingenuous trolls like Mike who are not spinning in an effort to prop up their leftist nonsense tell the whole truth:
1) The majority of cases are now Omicron, so talking about the "natural" (a made up term) variants is pointless
2) "Lowered Probability" only matters if it has a substantial effect on the spread of the virus. Regardless of what the actual probability is, it is not enough to prevent a surge, and so acting like it is some sort of vital information is "spinning" clear and simple.
Mike as recently as yesterday continue to push the myth that variations of Covid only occur in the unvaccinated.
That's a good one to test how damn gullible people are. Seems pretty obvious that if vaccinated people are getting infected anyway, that's a good way to breed variants that are even more resistant to the vaccines' effects.
The CDC was claiming the jabs couldn't stop transmission in early August, long before Omi was a thing.
The Jab very likely reduces your probability of passing along the infection just because it reduces the amount of time you are contagious.
But so what? I hate having to say the obvious, but reducing the probability of someone passing on the virus is not the same as stopping the spread of the virus. And Mike, et al, constantly conflate these two terms- as if any reduction in probability is somehow automatically a bonus.
It has been clear since Delta variant spread through Israel that even if the vaccine reduces probability of transmission, it isn't doing it enough to stop the actual spread (which is actually what we care about!).
But esp this: a majority of Black respondents feared being searched by police MORE than being robbed.
So people have less to hide from robbers, eh? SUSPICIOUS.
Does COVID-19 cause diabetes in kids?
Locked at home eating candy and chips all day? Probably.
Self-fulfilling "scientific" prediction, or something.
Supreme Court Justice Sotomeyer is officially a purveyor of misinformation on Covid--but she's probably a victim of misinformation, too. She made the following claim in regards to the Biden administration's vaccine mandate.
"We have hospitals that are almost at full capacity with people severely ill on ventilators. We have over 100,000 children, which we’ve never had before, in — in serious condition and many on ventilators"
----Justice Sotomeyer, January 8, 2022
https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-052172757066
The Associated Press labeled Sotomeyer's claim about 100,000 children as "FALSE". The number of currently confirmed cases of Covid in children stands at 3,743--and it's unclear how many of those children are testing positive but are actually hospitalized for reasons that have nothing to do with Covid. If, for instance, a child is in the hospital for leukemia, an allergic reaction, or as the result of a car accident, a positive Covid status may not indicated the real cause of hospitalization at all.
Of course, Sotomeyer has the First Amendment right to be wrong as she wants to be--on every form of media--and so does everyone else. It just goes to show two things: 1) No one should ever believe anything solely because of the authority of the person who said it, and 2) The open airing of misinformation is often the very means by which the general population is informed. Misinformation that is never published or broadcast often isn't properly and publicly corrected.
She's not a victim of anything. She is an evil cunt and should be treated as such
I don't think she made a fool of herself on purpose. A lot of our resident progressive trolls seem to do so, but I don't think she would have made a false claim like that if she'd realized it was false.
I suspect she was just regurgitating some progressive talking point--like our resident progressive trolls do on a regular basis. A very wise man once said, "When you believe in things that you don't understand, then you suffer".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDZFf0pm0SE
In this case, Justice Sotomeyer is suffering humiliation and ridicule. Score another point for reality. It always wins in the end.
I don't think she made a fool of herself on purpose.
I have no way to know for sure, but imagine that prominent lefitsts live their lives just expecting that the mainstream/social media machine will follow up on their fuck-ups for them. She didn't expect to look like a fool for making a dumb statement like that, she just made a statement assuming that nobody would hear about it if it turned out to be dumb.
The statement was made in open court and on the record in front of her fellow justices. It's on page 53. She stuck her foot in her mouth.
https://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/2021/21a244_kifl.pdf
If Republicans and libertarians behaved like progressives, we'd argue that whatever news outlets and social media companies Sotomeyer is using should be broken up on antitrust grounds for disseminating misinformation.
We'd insist on holding hearing to see if the Kremlin was behind it--in an attempt to legitimize an insane conspiracy theory that the Russians are trying to sow discord in American civil society by filling our Supreme Court justices' heads with misinformation.
The worst part about her outburst is not that she is relying on misinformation, it is that she is injecting her own misinformation into the discussion which is not how courts do review. If she had relied on briefs that have citations and such, she wouldn't have looked like a fool.
That's because she is an activist, not a judge
You do realize that the transcript is NOT on twitter, right?
So fewer people will learn about it than will catch the Communist Chinese Virus after being vaccinated 3 or 4 or 5 times.
Moreover, consider the relative gravity. People cheered Colin Powell's recent passing, recalling him holding up a vial of anthrax in front of the UN to justify going to war in the ME. Whether the mandate passes or fails, nobody will remember, let alone cheer, on Sotomayor's death because she held up 100,000 kids on ventilators to forcibly vaccinate American children on American soil.
I was thinking about that very example--in the run up to the Iraq War.
Six months after we invaded Iraq, 69% of the American people still believed that Saddam Hussein was personally complicit in 9/11. A majority of Democrats, Republicans, and Independents still believed he was complicit in 9/11--18 months after the fact. And the biggest contributing factors to that notion was 1) the anthrax attack and 2) the government being the only source of information. The noble lie is alive and well--whether we're talking about the people supporting the war or whether we're talking about people getting vaccinated and wearing masks.
I opposed the Iraq War, and I think people should generally get vaccinated, but the point is that when the government is assumed to be the ultimate arbitrator of the truth, they will tell us whatever "truth" is conducive to their goals--and they may not be our goals, not even in the case of vaccines and masks, which I generally think are a good idea but can give people a false sense of security.
I'm dealing with a couple of elderly people right now who very much wanted to go to church the last couple of weeks. Both of them have medical conditions that make them highly susceptible to the worst possible outcome if they're infected. I was able to persuade them to stay home from church for a few weeks, but not until after they told me that Joe Biden said that it was a pandemic of the unvaccinated--and they're both vaccinated! Not until after they sent me a link to the CDC saying that masks can potentially protect the wearer from infection.
1) No. The vaccine will not protect your from omicron.
2) No. Wearing that particle mask will not protect your from omicron.
They got that information from the government--because they government is trying to encourage people to get vaccinated and wear masks. But there are people out there who are exposed to Biden's and the CDC's bullshit--when that bullshit isn't even targeted at elderly vaccinated people whose doctors tell them to stay home because of their specific medical conditions. It's the same problem with central planning.
In a random distribution, at best, you can make a choice for 68% of the people by making a choice that is within one standard deviation of the mean. That means that--at best--one third (32%) of the people are getting screwed by your decision. And that "at best" assumes that you can accurately gauge the best interests of that 68%, which is by no means guaranteed considering their myriad conflicting qualitative preferences and the IQ of government bureaucrats.
I appreciate the relative gravity--that Sotomeyer and other people in the government think they're doing some good in the world with their noble lies--where Bush was trying to start an unnecessary war. I think we should be here to tell Sotomeyer, the CDC, Joe Biden, and the progressives that their noble lies are not a victimless crime. And it isn't just the people who've been unnecessarily devastated economically by lockdowns who are suffering because of their lies. There are vaccinated elderly masked people out there who are putting their lives at risk because they believe the misinformation being put out by people like Sotomeyer, Biden, and the CDC.
Funny story from last week. Went to a funeral, and there was this group of three elderly people there wearing masks. I’m assuming that anyone wearing a mask in public is also vaccinated.
So what kind of mask? A worthless cloth one. Where did they sit? Smack dab in the middle of the seating
So they could be surrounded by everyone. There was seating off in the back away from everyone else. What did they do when sneazing? They pulled down their masks to use a Kleenex.
These poor ignorant people probably believe they are completely safe from getting omicron and are behaving in ways that make them more likely to get it.
There is no good substitute for thinking for ourselves.
Yeah. I really think that the mask propaganda has done far more harm than good by giving people that false sense of security.
And continues the trend of totally failing to protect those who need protecting while needlessly fucking with everyone else.
This is really a good screed from you Ken.
You are exactly right that the government, and the CDC especially, has been pushing the "truths" that make sense for their large public goals (whether those goals are well intentioned, or even correct is another matter).
The other piece that people need to internalize is that, given the reality of Government Truthiness, we must never ever let government agitprop stand in for individuals making informed decisions for themselves. These Twitter Nazis and Karens with cell phones need to understand that one can generally support public health, and even agree in general with certain government guidance and still make informed personal decisions that differ due to individual differences.
If you get your news from CNN, WaPo, NYT, etc., you honestly have no fucking clue what the COVID numbers are, who is actually getting hospitalized or dying, the age groups of the affected, or anything. I keep hearing stories about ERs and 911 getting swamped not be people who are having emergencies, but people who get a positive COVID test and don't have the slightest clue what to do about it. Unless you can't breath, the answer is probably take some tylenol and sleep.
If you get your information from Joe Biden, you might think that the vaccines are effective against the spread of omicron.
As are windmills.
Related: the NJ DOH has asked potential COVID patients to stay the fuck away from the ED.
The "we wish you just went to an urgent care" volume where I work is up by 50-60% vs baseline over the past six weeks; higher severity volume is only up by ~15%. And we're getting crushed with cases right now.
So New Jersey people have to be told erections are good?
And she could be suffering from a common human flaw: numbers are not actual quantities but emotional statements. Come to think of it, as a lawyer, she probably learned how to do this at an expert level.
If I had to guess, she either confused the number of children who have tested positive for Covid since the beginning of the pandemic--which is lose to 100,000--with the number that are currently in the hospital now, or she listened to someone else who made the same mistake.
It is true that the way they teach lawyers to argue and the way they teach college students to write term papers--neither are not a valid way to make an argument in other contexts. And yet that seems to be the model most people use when they make an argument.
A defense lawyer starts from the premise that the defendant is innocent and then looks for ways to rationalize that to a jury. A prosecutor starts from the premise that the defendant is guilty and looks for a way to rationalize that to a jury. When you're writing a term paper as an undergraduate, it's time efficient to start with your conclusion and find ways to rationalize that conclusion to your professor--when you have four or five term papers due in the same week.
In reality, reason dictates that you start with the premises first. The conclusion follows the premises. You don't pick whatever premises support your conclusion and ignore all the ones that contradict it. If you pick your conclusion first, and just select the premises that support it, you'll probably get the wrong answer. And yet this is what most people are doing most of the time.
I'd support the Second Amendment even IF IF IF repealing the Second Amendment meant a higher murder rate, but I'd still do so with legitimate arguments that follow the premises. I wouldn't go fishing for premises that support my conclusion like a lawyer. The premises would start with some general observations about the nature of freedom. And the conclusion would flow from that.
The arguments lawyers, progressive journalists, and undergrad term paper writers make are all built on a house of cards. That's clearly what Sotomeyer was doing--either Sotomeyer or her clerks. If Sotomeyer was fed that piece of information by one of her clerks, then I bet that clerk won't get much of a recommendation. It's bad enough when you're building the structure of your argument on premises you found to match your conclusion. Much worse when the premises are factually false. How embarrassing!
This isn't just legal training, it is the general curriculum for everyone below a masters program. Kids are given a list of "premises" to choose from, and to look for evidence to support that conclusion. Or they are asked to choose a premise and support it with evidence. In the rare cases where kids are expected to form conclusions from a body of work, it is usually trying to describe what premise they think an author was trying to make.
Oddly enough, the first time in school that I was really forced to find evidence AGAINST my conclusions was in Forensics where you were expected to argue both sides of an issue in a debate. Tellingly, my kids recently took forensics and they were explicitly NOT required to argue both sides of the debate. They would pick the one they liked and then try to argue it.
IMO our legal system is just human nature codified with some rules and rituals. We define the method to decide outcomes and resolve differences as two adversarial sides. Then we expect each side to distort reality as much as they can get away with. And ultimately we give more weight, especially when juries are involved, to emotion and rhetoric.
Obviously, our greater systems of governance, coupled to the law, reflect the same issues.
True science is the one field of human endeavor that has (1) recognized the distortions of "normal" human reasoning, and (2) defined and strives for an objective, data-driven approach. That most people do not understand science ( "believing" in science, a "majority of scientists say"), and even fewer can actually do science, is not surprising. Unfortunately, neither is the crap that results when bureaucrats and politicians attempt to use science for their own ends.
I know a lot of people in the leftist bubbles who never have any reason to test their narrative. Sotomayor is infamous for being the SCotUS shut in, being the least likely to leave her bunker. She is getting all her news from the narrative bubbles that the left has constructed.
Unlike people on the right whose news is constantly "fact checked" and countered by other media, a person living ensconced in DC or Manhattan can go through life building these narratives in their head. As we saw in the main item in today's roundup, the CDC is also doing its best to propagate and reinforce this narrative.
Time will tell if she actually suffers humiliation, or learns from it. My, admittedly biased, guess is that she makes excuses and shifts blame. Perhaps she will raise the ever popular assertions of misogyny or racism.
Some of the progressive trolls here cannot afford a dom so they post their political desires to receive the same verbal treatment.
All true, but even so it is against the fundamental libertarian principle of freedom of speech to force any privately-owned publisher or broadcaster to publish or broadcast misinformation (or information) they do not choose to publish or broadcast.
Caw caw!
Which wasn't an assertion that Ken made, so why even bring it up?
For the record, Mike is a lying troll.
https://reason.com/2021/09/09/california-is-set-to-outlaw-unannounced-condom-removal/?comments=true#comment-9091773
That is Mike insisting that he “would never look to Rolling Stone” for news, after spreading their bogus ivermectin story only days earlier. Consider that: He didn’t apologize. He didn’t even try to ignore his mistake. He brazenly tried to dunk on Rolling Stone to make himself look like an arbiter of truth.
White Knight, correctly, supports the veracity of Mike’s posts.
"Of course, Sotomeyer has the First Amendment right to be wrong as she wants to be--on every form of media--and so does everyone else."
well.....not everyone.
Because our rights are violated doesn't mean they don't exist, and the negative consequences of violating our rights are real even if the people who violated them aren't the ones who suffer because of it.
The good news is that Sotomayor's law clerks (who, along with clerks of Breyer and Kagan who wrote the dissent) know she was dead wrong about 100,000 children (and many other fear mongering claims she made about covid and federal authority she made during oral arguments.
Even better news is that a majority of SCOTUS will almost certainly strike down at least some of Biden's vaccine mandate.
Yeah, if you read Sotomeyer's comments, she's both denying that this is a vaccine mandate and claiming that OSHA has the police power to enforce it. She's rationalizing both a police state and the exclusion of congressional input. We're not even really talking about whether a law is constitutional.
https://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/2021/21a244_kifl.pdf
We're talking about whether OSHA has police powers they were never given. Sotomeyer making horseshit claims is a gift to libertarians in terms of public opinion. The arguments she's making are far worse from a libertarian standpoint than any false claim she made.
Supreme gaslighting. Just not very good at it.
She needs to eat more beans. And be given some matches.
That’s not even the worst thing she said.
This is an absolutely scathing report card on biden’s first year in immigration policy. Cato’s immigration scholars plausibly characterize it as Donald Trump’s second term.
Absolutely nobody expected the Democratic Party to be using immigration rhetoric as a cudgel to attack Trump. Who could possibly know that the (D)'s weren't sincere?
Not Reason and Cato, that's for sure. The poor dears were blindsided.
It's not Biden's fault, he has an opposition Congress working against him! And no popular mandate like Obama had!
Defund Manchin!
The pathological prevaricator: Mar 6 "I like this stuff. I really get it. People are surprised that I understand it. Every one of these doctors said, "How do you know so much about this?" Maybe I have a natural ability. Maybe I should have done that instead of running for President."
???
For fuck's sake, Sqrls, try harder.
Bone spurs: Charge Mexico $100,000 for every illegal crossing
And I had an idea recently. When they send illegals into our country, we charge Mexico $100,000 for every illegal that crosses that border because it's trouble.
[Fox News - Hannity, 7/16/15]
You nailed it ML.
Small hands: Won't separate families, will deport them all as a unit
No, we're not separating families. We're taking the families, and we're taking them as a unit.
[CNN, 9/24/15]
Oligarch don
Make e-verify nationwide
We will go nationwide e-verify and what people don't say about Eisenhower is when they move them out when they started moving them out they moved out at least a million and a half and also with Truman they moved them out.
[Orlando, FL, 11/13/15]
(didn't use E-verify, liked to call ICE for the illegals he hired)
Question 1
Are the current employees reason just starting to realize that the gov is full of retard that are incapae of thought? This is something every libritarian has known since forever.
Question 2
Is the Cato institute back to being pretend libritarians? Because for a stretch their they went full support for the state apparatus
What color is the smoke coming from Koch tower?
"Habemus papam!
Eminentissimum ac Reverendissimum Dominum, Dominum Charles
Sanctae Libertarianum Ecclesiae Cardinalem Koch
qui sibi nomen imposuit Carolus (Charles) Magnus."
Unindicted Coconspirator: All illegal immigrants out day one
And by the way, do you know that the gangs that you see, all of these terrible gangs that you see, many of those gangs are made up of illegal immigrants, and they're tough dudes. And by the way, they're going -- day one they're going to be out of here. We're going to get rid of them day one.
[CNN, 9/24/15]
wut?
New .50 cent talking points went out. They didn't tell this one they aren't supposed to blow them all in one thread.
Promises are easy to claim but hard to keep, especially day one which doesn't start till noon.
Speaking from experience?
New York City will allow legal but noncitizen immigrants to vote.
Going back a few decades.
Bet zero chance those votes will be cast in federal elections as well.
Perhaps NY should have their votes invalidated for any federal office until they provide acceptable guidelines on how to quarantine those votes.
Soon to come: "CDC announces that people who contract COVID are more likely to donate to Republican candidates (or worse, Libertarian candidates)."
Oh the horror!
"New York City will allow legal but noncitizen immigrants to vote. "The measure applies to legal residents, including those with green cards and so-called Dreamers who were brought to the country illegally as children but were allowed to remain under a federal program known as DACA,""
So, are the legal non-citizens going to be required to show some sort of proof that they're actually legal non-citizens? Isn't requiring ID to vote voter suppression? Why is NYC turning MAGA?
The only check before voting is if you have a faded Biden Obama sticker
Cubans need not apply.
Castro is fake news.
Speaking of New York.
https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2022/01/nyc-police-chief-deeply-troubled-by-manhattan-das-new-policies.php
The chief should just arrest the DA for abetting crimes.
And
https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2022/01/eric-adams-plays-the-race-card.php
And this is how we became South Africa
"a majority of Black respondents feared being searched by police MORE than being robbed."
Sure. The robbers are family members and neighbors.
After partying in Florida, AOC has tested positive for covid. Wonder if she'll blame Gov Ron DeSantis for causing her infection (because he didn't require her to wear a mask while in the state)
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/rebeccadowns/2022/01/09/aoc-tests-positive-for-covid-following-trip-to-miami-n2601619
The three leftist Justices on SCOTUS (i.e. Breyer, Kagan, Sotomayor) all made outrageously false fear mongering claims (i.e. lied) about covid to advocate Biden's unscientific, totalitarian, discriminatory and counterproductive vaccine mandates.
https://pjmedia.com/columns/drewallen/2022/01/09/only-one-argument-need-be-made-against-the-biden-osha-mandates-n1548101
Seems like the so-called fact checkers cited daily by Democrats, left wing media propagandists and Google, Facebook, Twitter, YouTube, etc. failed to correct, condemn or censor these fearmongering lies by leftist partisans Breyer, Kagan and Sotomayor.
The US Solicitor General also made many false fear mongering claims about covid and Biden's vaccine mandate during the oral arguments.
But of course, the left wing media ignore these and many other lies by the Biden administration, while spreading more lies about Jan 6.
For the post-modern progressive left, words mean whatever they want at that moment, including the meaning of "truth". And expert post-modernists can thus prove that truth does not exist. As they learned during their marxist college days, society is all struggle and conflict, and "all's fair" in fighting for the cause.
“….. society is all struggle and conflict…”
There is now a college course (required) called “Everything Is So Terrible And Unfair!”(tm)
Ok, maybe they call it something else, but still…
Where do I sign up, and do I get a discount if I bring sarc?
Hush it... I'm over here worrying about the "reactionary right" and a tariff. Your lockdowns and economic shutdowns mean little to me right now.
But there may be some serious flaws in the CDC's study and subsequent reporting on it.
Just mention the study on Twitter and see if you get banned for spreading misinformation. That's how we do Science these days.
I do not understand New York's voter laws. We are not supposed to require voter ID, so what is to prevent someone on a week-long tourist visa from voting?
If it's anything like everywhere else in the country I've lived, you still need to show some proof of residency such as an electric bill in your name.
Probably no way you can print something like that off the internet.
Then let's have no rules because no matter what someone will find a way around them. Shit, what's the point of locks? All they do is keep honest people honest. They don't stop thieves.
By the way, ever tried to pick a lock? It's not that hard.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lQJlWmR1Ko&t=78s
After watching that video I bought the set with the locks made of clear plastic plus tools. Since then I've picked every padlock in mine and my parents' possession, and I popped my own front door once.
If what everyone says about me is correct, any monkey can do it because I'm a total moron.
"People can pick locks so there's no way to stop election fraud."
Cripes.
Adolf twitter: Build next generation of infrastructure
We will build the next generation of roads, bridges, railways and tunnels, and seaports and airports, that believe me, folks is what our country deserves.
[Detroit, MI, 8/8/16]
Joey McHairsniffer: *shits pants*
The best part about that, is you can insert that anywhere, at any time, and itll always be true
Did Sarc just admit to living with his parents??
Yep. And stealing from them.
So often that his dad probably now thinks that beer is sold in five packs.
His parents have a full bar of water filled liquor bottles.
Then let's have no rules because no matter what someone will find a way around them. Shit, what's the point of locks? All they do is keep honest people honest. They don't stop thieves.
Requiring an electric bill only as proof of voter eligibility is a bit like putting a piece of paper across the door frame and calling it a "lock".
Making voter registration complicate won't stop the dishonest. It will make it more difficult for honest people though.
On one hand there are people insisting that the entire system is a sham because their guy didn't get elected, and the fact that he didn't get elected is proof of massive fraud.
On the other hand there are people who see efforts to fix this fraud boogeyman as an effort to stop people from voting.
I'm afraid I've got to side with those who laugh at Trumpian sour grapes on this one.
"Making voter registration complicate won't stop the dishonest. "
So let me get this straight, Sarc. Are you saying that because increased election security isn't 100% effective, it might as well be 0%?
LOL!
He wo'nt respond.
It's a solution in search of a problem.
No one said anything about making it "complicated". Requiring an ID to vote isn't complicated, because even black people have IDs.
We are 'reliably informed' by the DNC, progressives, she who never ever challenged the results for GA governor race that she lost, and others, that black folks simply cannot get ID cards due to systemic racism.
Checking a box is going to stop fraudulent votes, and assholes at the polls won't say "No that doesn't look like you, get out of line."
What's complicated about registering to vote?
At least where I am an electric bill works as proof of residency, but you also still need to prove your identity somehow.
so what is to prevent someone on a week-long tourist visa from voting?
Nothing, and that's the point. There's still some wiggle room in the law to sic the police on you if you're suspected of voting the wrong way, but otherwise it's a free for all, because that chaos helps them. Even the law itself is self-contradictory allowing only legal immigrants, including Dreamers, which are by definition not legal immigrants.
The new NYC law requires people to live in NYC for 30 days, and it doesn't apply to undocumented aliens. There's a lot of green card holders in NYC.
Usually you are required to show some sort of ID when REGISTERING to vote. But once you have registered and you are on the "list" at voting precincts, different states have different requirements for proving proof that you are one of the people on that list- from having a photo ID to just state your name.
I believe in Racist Canada, you have to show ID and two other forms of "proof of residency" such as a hydro bill or some such paperwork just to vote.
John Pfaff
@JohnFPfaff
This whole thread, on diff perceptions of policing by Blacks and whites.
But esp this: a majority of Black respondents feared being searched by police MORE than being robbed.
That’s a MAJOR finding.
The finding isn't what you think it is. There is an entire industry propping up a belief that cops are out to hunt and kill them despite the actual numbers. Multiple studies have shown whites are actually more likely to be shot in an encounter, but those studies are often killed.
https://www.npr.org/2019/07/26/745731839/new-study-says-white-police-officers-are-not-more-likely-to-shoot-minority-suspe
But the media and BLM can't have that, so they have convinced an entire population to be scared irrationally.
That's all this actually shows. I'm sure Reason thinks different.
There is an entire industry propping up a belief that cops are out to hunt and kill
So it's circular reasoning?
Any of the liberals that talk non stop about the "dangers of being Black in our country with the cops" when confronted with the above fact always respond with "ya, if that was happening we would actually see it in the news...Black bodies are killed by police and we see it on the news all the time"
When you shine a mega spotlight on one side, and sweep the other side under the rug, those that are only interested in the shiny narrative will look no further. Same people that think antifa isnt real, CRT isnt in schools, BLM protests were all peaceful and good, etc.
Its fun to confront them with the actual numbers of black on black homicide vs police shootings. The numbers are so stark they usually just pretend its not real
Hmm, so black people feel more comfortable being killed by black people than white cops?
Yes
Based on the 100's that come through my hospital ER every year shot by other black people, and the 0's that have come through my hospital ER shot by police, my study of my own hospital concludes that they feel an infinite amount more comfort with the bullet having come from another black person.
Black people being killed by black people is due to systemic racism, so somehow, it's still white cops at fault. Or white nationalist, so, still white cops. How the left/progressives convince anyone they are not a cult is astounding. But the sociopolitical, media narrative painting the right as cultish during summer of 2021 was pretty funny, considering.
I haven't had a chance to look at this study, but studies of the line in the past have found that while being shot is more likely for whites from cops, everything below being shot is more likely for blacks. So, it, like many things in life, is nuanced. The argument that blacks have more to fear from cops than whites can be correct even if more whites are getting shot by cops.
Yep. Also, they’ve created a vicious cycle of self-fulfilling prophesy with that fear mongering. Convince all black kids that any encounter with police will go poorly, causing black kids to be more likely to either run, fight, or be otherwise non-compliant with police. Which makes it more likely that police will act aggressively.
My dad taught me don’t ever run from police, because it pisses them off and they WILL catch you. Black kids are told they’re better of running.
"My dad taught me don’t ever run from police, because it pisses them off and they WILL catch you. Black kids are told they’re better of running."
Without exception, every black parent I know- rich, poor, or other- has had "The Talk" with their kids. That talk is the exact opposite, and generally summed up as "don't give them any reason to shoot you, because they will."
Good on them. But you realize that a lot of black kids aren’t getting that talk. What message are they getting from black “community leaders” and culture?
I am sure all of their fathers are giving them this talk.
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Vote Democrat and we will give you free stuff and not arrest you for crimes, and if you have a kid and leave the kid and mom we will give you even more free stuff
"Without exception, every black parent I know- rich, poor, or other- has had "The Talk" with their kids."
The biggest discrepancy that exists in society and esp pushed by the media and TV, is that black folks are the only ones having "the talk" and that no one else does or has to due to their privilege. Myself, and all my white friends, also got "the talk" from our parents. Sure it was not "be good or be killed" but it was, "be respectful, hands on the wheel, license/reg ready, no sudden reaching for things without being asked, yes sir/maam etc" Every single friend I know had that same talk from their parents.
I only have one friend who was too much of an asshat to follow said instructions. One day while drunk driving he mouthed off to cops, wouldnt cooperate. They made him get out and do a sobriety test, and when he failed they ended up being a little rough with him (because he was still being an asshole, not cooperating) while they cuffed him. He of course got a DUI, and it ended up ruining his career path.
Everyone else in our group had speeding tickets in the past, or was pulled over for little stuff like tail light or expired reg sticker. Hands on wheel, yes sir no sir. All uneventful encounters. Even one friend who was actually drunk enough to fail a sobriety test got away with just a speeding ticket because he sat there and was pleasant and respectful.
The narrative in society that only blacks have to have the police talk is bullshit. When it comes down to it, they have more encounters with police due to more often being involved in criminal activity, and they dont listen to "the talk" their parents apparently gave them because more often they do not cooperate.
"The biggest discrepancy that exists in society"
- about "the talk". Of course there are bigger discrepancies. Bad sentence writing (as usual) on my part
Yeah, I got "the talk," too, fucking 30 years ago, and I'm not even black.
It's called "being a responsible parent," which is admittedly confusing for leftists given how much they hate nuclear families.
"The narrative in society that only blacks have to have the police talk is bullshit. "
To be clear: I did not try to push that narrative. I was specifically countering the statement that black kids are being taught to run from the police. I have seen no evidence of that.
That said, The Talk from Blacks (and other minorities) I know also includes "Don't react to them trying to bait you with racism. Sure it may seem unfair, but this is not the time to protest." I'm not saying it is accurate, but I am also saying that these kids are getting specific instruction that doesn't include "run from police".
FWIW: My talk to my kids has been 1) be polite and respectful. 2) Learn the following phrases:
a) I'm sorry officer but I do not consent to a search
b) Am I being detained officer, or am I free to go?
c) I'm sorry officer but I will not speak any further without my parent and a lawyer present.
Here's something I tell my own kids:
When you expect the worst, people usually deliver. When you expect better, people may deliver that too.
My 18 year old daughter is gay, and because of current messaging and social media bullshit, she had a HUGE chip on her shoulder and went about expecting everyone to be a homophobic piece of shit, so, of course, she found homophobic pieces of shit around every corner. There weren't actually homophobic pieces of shit anywhere, but she had set herself up mentally for that, so in her mind every slight was due to homophobia.
Black kids who are having the message drilled into their heads that cops are out to get them, go into cop encounters expecting a certain outcome, which influences their behavior in that encounter. Sometimes, just expecting someone to be a POS makes you respond to them that way before they ever even say a word.
Not gonna say there are not racist cops out there. Also not going to say cops don't racially profile. But sometimes "driving while black" is actually "driving while speeding," or "driving with a taillight out." And A LOT of times, cops are just assholes who would be assholes to ANYONE, and not just black people. That's why white parents have The Talk with their kids too.
I remember several years ago after one of the more egregious shootings by a cop of an unarmed black guy, the fucking sports talk station here was actually talking about it. A black guy called in claiming that white people didn’t understand what it was like dealing with cops because black people are expected to address cops as “sir”, but cops actually address white people as “sir”. He believed cops act like servants to white people.
You’ve really seen no evidence of black kids being taught that they should resist/run from cops? Maybe I threw you off bringing up what my dad told me so you’re looking strictly at discussions with parents you know? How many of the black parents you know are actually parenting their kids? You realize there’s lots of black kids getting very little parenting at all, and they’re the same kids more likely to deal with cops on a regular basis?
If you’re unaware that this is a message that exists in parts of the black community then good for you and the black people you deal with.
Petfinder suggests you have this talk with your dog.
NPR: "A new peer-reviewed study of fatal police shootings says that white officers are not more likely to shoot and kill minority suspects. Critics contend it doesn't address racial disparities by police."
And then they went on with several "experts" who gaslighted the listeners as to how the study does not mean much and can't be true anyway.
Fair and balanced!
"Critics contend it doesn't address racial disparities by police"
It doesnt address them, or doesnt falsely attribute everything to them?
Some intern at NPR snuck that in the topics to cover?
I would like to think that all those New Yorkers who voted to replace one Democrat with another Democrat in the hopes that they would get something different are now pondering the question of what went wrong with their plan. I would like to think that, but I haven't yet taken enough drugs to make it a reality. Maybe a little more peyote would help.
The unfortunate thing is that we can't build a wall around New York like in that movie, so you get New Yorkers moving to Florida and Tennessee and North Carolina thinking that their brilliant plan that failed in New York will work in those other states.
Here is a graph from usgovernmentspending.com that explains why all the food places are dying for lack of employees. In summary:
I don't know how much welfare sneaked through in the infrastructure bill - my cable company just randomly gave me $30/month credit indefinitely on my cable bill, and my wife is a doctor. Probably an assload. And the current admin wants to crank it up to 11.
So, soon, you'll have to pay some kid $20 an hour or more to lift a finger for you: the $15 livable wage is already a thing of the past. And if you don't think this is going to inflate the crap out of everything, you are seriously delusional.
Stick it to the man - donate that $30.00/mo to a right wing conspiracy.
So, soon, you'll have to pay some kid $20 an hour or more to lift a finger for you: the $15 livable wage is already a thing of the past.
I was joking about this with my wife the other day. The whole "fight for $15" thing suddenly became irrelevant when restaurants can't even hire at $20 an hour.
Yep. And remember all those people who said "why stop at $15 an hour? why not make it $50? or $100?"
Those people will be remembered as geniuses ahead of their times.
The wife and I were noting the other day that we couldn't get even semi-fast food lunch for less than $35 for the two of us. I'm not talking steak here. I'm talking burgers and iced tea at a place that doesn't serve happy meals.
Yeah we were just saying the same thing at my house, if we are out shopping and stop at lunch it's easily 30+ for just two people.
We're not quite to that point here--there's still value menus, after all--but sit-down restaurants are incredibly fucking expensive now. If you have kids, don't expect to pay less than $50, before tip.
Devin Nunes is a hero! Solving the private censorship problem using free market competition rather than government fiat:
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/nunes-details-trump-truth-social-trump-media-technology-groups-social-media-platform-set-to-launch?cmpid=prn_newsstand
And mike continues to ignore the DNC/WhiteHouse/Other government agencies working directly with the companies. It is like he has chosen extreme ignorance for his entire viewset.
When the DOJ raids PV and dumps their legal emails that are priveledged to the NYT, you don't get to claim NYT and the government are not colluding. Same with Silicon Valley. The government gives them billions of dollars and then asks them to do something. This is collusion.
Mike continues to be ignorant.
He's chomping at the bit to start trolling at Trump's new site.
Yay corporatism!
The opposite of libertarianism but who cares because I said the magic words "free market".
Bone spurs: Rebuild infrastructure "way below cost"
Rebuild the country’s infrastructure. Nobody can do that like me. Believe me. It will be done on time, on budget, way below cost, way below what anyone ever thought.
[New York, NY, 6/16/15]
You already posted that one, Sqrlsbot.
Pussy grabber on helping women:
"I will be phenomenal to the women. I mean, I want to help women."
Face the Nation, 9/8/15
children with previously undiagnosed diabetes go to doctor with cough and are diagnosed with diabetes?
^ yes lol. The worst part is anyone with a small amount of medical knowledge (even nurses) understand how this works and you would pretty much need to be shoe-horning this in to make it fit the narrative
When you combine the fact that someone at risk for (or with undiagnosed DM) is often obese, and a person with any of the above is at higher risk of a worse infection from COVID (more likely to need treatment or present for treatment/testing), with the fact that DM will often present (if new, or prev undiagnosed) after a stressor of sorts, especially an infection which will raise corticosteroid levels and blood sugar, it is fairly fucking obvious what has actually happened.
But to take those very obvious circumstances and spin it to "Kids getting new diabetes after COVID! Be Afraid!!!" is fucking directly misleading, fear mongering bullshit.
No, but if they test positive for COVID and die it will be a COVID death. If they were previously vaccinated it will be a vaccine death. The cause of death or reason for going to a doctor doesn't matter.
And sarcasmic once again lies about how vaccine related deaths count. Amazing. Even when given direct links to how the procedure is post VAERS to link the two events.
Not so amazing. He's easily the dumbest guy posting here.
Alzheimers don: Protect Muslims from profiling
Don't worry about profiling. I promise I will defend from you profiling. I promise.
[Mt Pleasant, SC, 12/7/15]
Well, dbruce just proved that your take is questionable at the very least.
Pretty sure dbruce is a bot. The responses don't correlate to the original post.
Stable genius on his intelligence:
"Sorry losers and haters, but my IQ is one of the highest - and you all know it! Please don't feel so stupid or insecure, it's not your fault."
Twitter, 9/5/13
(Thought stealth meant "invisible")
I'm not sure which of us you proved correct. So, hat's off.
I feel like that is a tough one. Lots of contenders. I guess you would have to separate out dumb from other things like poor argumentation, disingenuous/lying, trolling, and batshit insane. Because there is a lot of overlap among some of the worst here, I feel like categories are appropriate.
Center for
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CDNC
" . . . kids who had COVID-19 were 31 percent and 166 percent more likely to occur (depending on the database) than in kids who didn't have COVID-19"
The only clear fact here is that one (or both) of these "studies" is wrong by a lot.
Kids consuming the standard American diet causes diabetes. And the progressive assault on free range kids playing (getting exercise).
Can you count the number of lies in Sen. Chuck Schumer's letter to the editor in today's Wall Street Journal?
https://www.wsj.com/articles/chuck-schumer-senate-filibuster-trump-democracy-11641592493
Your editorial criticizing Senate Democrats’ efforts to protect Americans’ right to vote empowers those who sought on Jan. 6, 2021, to overturn the results of a free and fair election (“Schumer’s Filibuster Stunt,” Review & Outlook, Jan. 4).
In the wake of former President Trump’s Big Lie, the Republican Party has radicalized against democracy. Nineteen states have passed 33 laws to make it harder to vote. Election workers have endured violent threats over the past year simply for doing their jobs. These are not isolated developments. They are born of the same antidemocratic poison of last year’s deadly insurrection, and they urgently require the Senate to pass legislation.
Yet Senate Republicans refuse to join Democrats even to debate voter protection bills. When Republicans block something as fundamental as access to the ballot box, it is clear that the Senate must be restored to the deliberative body it once was.
The editorial board opposes Senate Democrats’ efforts to protect our democracy on the notion that a 60-vote threshold must be maintained. You should explain, then, why you supported Senate Republicans when they jammed through three Supreme Court justices and massive tax giveaways for corporations on a 50-vote threshold. In 2017 the editorial board even dubbed Sen. Mitch McConnell’s vote to end the filibuster for Supreme Court nominees his “finest hour.” You should also explain why it is OK for Senate Republicans to try to gloss over the devastating effect of a disgraced former president’s attempts to hold on to power at any cost—a permanent blemish in our country’s democracy.
In a week when Mr. Trump endorsed Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orbán, another antidemocratic leader who has upended his country’s constitution and rewritten election laws to build his own power, the stakes could not be higher.
Sen. Chuck Schumer (D., N.Y.)
The WSJ editorial board, which falsely accused and criticized Trump of causing the Capitol breach on Jan 6 while failing to even acknowledge Ray Epps or his half dozen coconspirators and Capitol breachers.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/answering-schumer-on-the-filibuster-chuck-legislative-judicial-supreme-court-voting-bill-11641762123
Chuck Schumer responds nearby to our recent editorial on his plans to ditch the Senate’s legislative filibuster, and we’re happy to give the Majority Leader his say. But since the Senator challenges us to explain our position on the 60-vote rule, allow us to make the distinctions he slides over.
He asks us to explain why we “supported Senate Republicans when they jammed though three Supreme Court justices” and the 2017 tax reform with fewer-than-60 vote majorities.
That’s easy. The tax bill passed the Senate using budget reconciliation, a longstanding exception to the filibuster that both parties have used often. It lets the majority use the 51-vote threshold for budget-related items. We’ve never objected to that exception, though we’ve sometimes criticized attempts to stuff reconciliation with non-germane policy items.
As for the Supreme Court, Mr. Schumer is pulling a fast one. He is failing to distinguish between the filibuster rule for legislation, which no party has broken to date, with the filibuster for nominees, which Mr. Schumer and his fellow Democrats broke in 2013.
Then Majority Leader Harry Reid led Democrats in killing the 60-vote threshold for executive nominees and lower-court judges on a party-line vote. They did so to add three Obama appointees to the D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals. We objected to that Democratic power play at the time and warned this would come back to haunt them. It was good advice.
“The new rules will empower the party’s liberals for as long as they control the White House and Senate, but they will also set a precedent for conservatives to exploit in the future,” we wrote on Nov. 22, 2013. “Democrats are pretending that they are only breaking the filibuster for lower-court nominees, not for the Supreme Court. They can dream on. . . . Imagine two or three more Clarence Thomases on the High Court confirmed with 51 Senate votes. Planned Parenthood can send its regrets to Harry Reid.”
That’s exactly what happened, as Sen. Joe Manchin has noted in explaining his opposition to breaking the 60-vote rule for legislation. The legislative filibuster has often frustrated our policy preferences, but we support it as a restraint on the political passions of the moment.
But if Democrats break it for legislation, we look forward to 51-vote majorities for reforming Medicare, Medicaid and rewriting any number of failing progressive programs.
If The New York Times published an Op-Ed by Mitch McConnell, the Op-Ed editor would probably be fired--which is why The New York Times eliminated their Op-Ed section.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/new-york-times-opinion-editor-resigns-amid-fallout-over-op-n1227081
The Op-Ed is about considering the opposing views of outsiders, and assuming progressive can tolerate other views was career suicide. You couldn't publish an opposing view without a Twitter mob demanding your head.
Incidentally, this is another reason why progressives are America's most horrible people.
Actually, America’s most horrible people are those who demonize whole huge groups of their fellow Americans. Say, for having different political ideas.
Being that the progressives regularly, openly do exactly that, it seems we agree
And that doesn't describe progressives?
Hmm, that makes Tom Cotton a hero. He's singlehandedly gotten more NYT staff tossed out than any person I know of.
Can you count the number of lies in Sen. Chuck Schumer's letter to the editor in today's Wall Street Journal?
11 lines, 309 words, 1,869 chars...so 309?
This is an absolutely scathing report card on biden’s first year in immigration policy. Cato’s immigration scholars plausibly characterize it as Donald Trump’s second term.
Biden's only bad when he acts like Donald Trump.
"See also: "How Government Devastated Minor League Baseball," from Matt Welch in Reason's November 2021 issue."
Well, there was that whole 'shut down the entire 2020 season' thing.
Welch should stick to bitching about school. Pretty hard to make a case for the libertarian aspects and impact of minor league baseball without really stretching.
The really good news is that omicron appears to be no more harmful than the common cold, and natural immunity to all variants of covid has skyrocketed during the past two weeks.
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/09/01/816707182/map-tracking-the-spread-of-the-coronavirus-in-the-u-s
Unfortunately, CDC, OSHA, other Biden agencies, left wing Democrats, media propagandists and three Supreme Court Justices have been intentionally lying about and scaring Americans about omicron.
OK, folks, step back from the screen: two screens and a server will not keep you from catching it!
Report from the front lines! Fully vaxed and, yep, got it (from wife - hard to avoid).
Anyhow, first day was rough. Chills, fever, headache, but treating it with OTC cold medicines and by day two (sometime last week), it's been feeling like a mild head-cold.
So a search in an attempt to find out how long before I 'mingle' again turns up a CDC page.
By mid 2020, it was established that transmission via contact was nearly impossible. The CDC page STARTS by advising you to wash your hands often!
What do these people do for a living?!
During the four week period from December 7th to January 5th, the number of covid vaccinations given to Americans gradually declined from 1.8 million doses per week (on December 8) down to less than 1 million doses per week last week.
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/09/01/816707182/map-tracking-the-spread-of-the-coronavirus-in-the-u-s
Looks like Biden's vaccine mandate, Anthony Fauci's 22 months of lies, the massive fear mongering about omicron and recent school closings have made Americans even less likely to get booster shots.
Correction, that's the weekly average of the number of vaccines given daily (not weekly) to Americans.
I'm curious how many are new customers vs booster doses.
When I got my booster the week after Christmas, 100% of the adults in the vaccine clinic were there for their boosters, and the only people getting their first shots were kids age 5-12.
Also, it was a PITA to get into the place - not because the line was long for vaccines (it wasn't at all) but because there was a huge line of several hundred cars trying to get into the same parking lot for drive-thru rapid covid tests.
Which booster did you get, and if you got the J&J, have you made your appointment for your next booster?
Pfizer, and I'm done with boosters.
This whole pandemic has gone endemic, so there's less and less of a point. Hopefully we all catch this Omicron wave while it's a mild variant.
Plus my county council just reinstated the local mask mandate again last week, regardless of vaccination status, so what's the point?
Masks and social distancing are the new normal. So we're back to normal. QED.
Hopefully Reason will cover the court ruling on the Pfizer court data.
*pfizer vaccine data*
Are you talking about this?
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/healthcare/judge-scraps-75-year-timeline-for-fda-to-release-pfizer-vaccine-safety-data-giving-agency-eight-months?utm_source=gazette.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=csg_news_feed
I haven't clicked on your link but I believe so. The one where the FDA claimed it would need 75 years to release data for a vaccine they approved in a few months.
Yeah, that’s terrible transparency on the FDA’s part.
Are you trying to insinuate, though, without coming right out and saying it that this somehow makes it a bad idea to get vaccinated?
Uh... no. I'm merely insinuating that the FDA is full of shit, they're running interference for Pfizer and lying on their behalf about the safety process for the emergency authorization.
But since you pivoted to that discussion, for the record, I DO believe that these vaccines aren't "safe and effective" full stop, no further discussion or debate required.
I do believe that there ARE problems with the vaccines (although with what's probably a very small portion of the population) and I don't believe that the public has been fully informed about the dangers-- as small as they may be.
FWIW, here's a very good science-based channel from an oncologist and research physician who's discussing the CDC data on myocarditis and how we're probably not getting the full picture.
The above channel can be a bit dry viewing, but is highly informative about how often times the CDCs public statements on safety data differs from their internal data.
Content of the video:
Discussion about how Rochelle Walensky publicly stated they have seen "nothing (not a single case)" regarding myocarditis, when the CDC data literally shows otherwise.
Yes, I know. You seem to be on a personal crusade to discredit the vaccines.
Why do you say that? A vaccine can still be useful and valuable even if it isn't perfectly safe and effective. The objection Paul makes, and which many others here and elsewhere make is that the drug companies and the FDA and CDC are not disclosing the harms and dangers as they would with any other drug that went through the normal approval process. They are trying hard to downplay potential harms of the vaccines which is highly unethical and just shady, whatever you think about the vaccines.
I'm all for early availability of new drugs. But you need to fully inform people about what has been seen so far with a new drug, even if it might make some people hesitant to take it. Even if those reasons are stupid. Despite the bullshit some are spouting, these are experimental drugs. Not fully informing people on the potential (even very unlikely) side effects is incredibly unethical.
Dee doesn’t believe there are any side effects, and that anyone who decides for themselves not to take the vax is ignorant. Both at the same time.
The usual brown shirt statists seem to be pretty quiet today.
Maybe they're embarrassed that their beloved CDC has shown, yet again, that the govt is in fact not following science, but instead "tHe ScianCe! (TM)", and the argument for blindly following these partisan hucksters looks more culty every day.
Another day, another study the CDC props up as "good science", that cant stand up to the scrutiny of a high school sophomore. Let me know how the 5th and 6th booster go though, Tony, Jeff, Mike, Joe Friday. Maybe you will get those antibody levels so high theyll shoot out of your eyes like laser beams. Just keep carrying that govt water like good little commies, because god knows you dont have the power to think on your own.
It's hilarious. You can (and must) go back to work if you're positive with no symptoms! The science shifted again! But now it's settled and you can't question it!
Sotomayor citing a number of kids in the hospital with severe COVID or on ventilators at 100,000, off by a factor of 20, because she consumes too much misinformation from left wing sources.
They should really come up with some fact checkers! I cant believe they were able to mislead an educated SCOTUS justice.
Maybe this is a case for a 7/2 or 8/1 court? Certainly we can agree someone who cant get the most basic information (# of people hospitalized with a disease you are making a ruling on) should not be sitting on the SCOTUS and people with her level of confirmation-biased thinking shouldnt be making law. Those are called activists.
Whatever, before the daily expose of the CDC is it too much to ask for more than one "expert" questioning a CDC researcher, especially when this site has a clear editorial bias?
For that matter, given the antivaxx idiots who mostly populate the comments, wouldn't "Reason" better serve it's readers by publicizing this inconvenient data?
https://coronavirus.health.ny.gov/covid-19-breakthrough-data
Week of Dec 27, 2022, per 100,000:
New cases - vaccinated - 223.3 unvaccinated - 1583.1
Hospitalizations - vaccinated - 4.59 unvaccinated - 58.27
The article was regarding children in the US and a possible correlation between covid and diabetes. Your link is for one state and focuses almost exclusively on people 18 and older.
I do agree with you that ENB has a progressive bias. As do many of the other editors at Reason that also voted for Biden.
Chumby is a steaming pile of melted Peeps.
Shouldn't a libertarian site be pushing for a repeal of antitrust legislation, not celebrating the fact that baseball might be subjected to it, like other businesses are?
Why shouldn't major league baseball team owners be free to coordinate how many minor league teams they should support per franchise? Baseball players and independent baseball leagues and teams are free to form their own sports leagues, and try to compete for TV money and fans.