Tony Timpa Died After Cops Kneeled on His Back and Joked About It. A Court Says His Family Can Sue.
The officers originally received qualified immunity, meaning Timpa's estate had no right to state their case before a jury.

Until last month, Tony Timpa's family wasn't allowed to sue the police officers who allegedly caused his death by pinning him to the ground for about 15 minutes while he begged for help. Those cops had been given qualified immunity, a legal doctrine that insulates various government officials from scrutiny in civil court if the way they allegedly misbehaved has not yet been "clearly established" in some prior court ruling.
But in December the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 5th Circuit struck down the district court's decision, thus allowing Timpa's family to make their claims before a jury. That right—to state your case before a panel of your peers—is easily taken for granted. But victims of government abuse face a herculean uphill battle before they're permitted to do so.
On August 10, 2016, Timpa, who was 32 when he died, called 911 and asked for help. He had been diagnosed with schizophrenia, depression, bipolar disorder, and anxiety disorder, but he was off his medications that day and had taken cocaine. The Dallas Police Department (DPD) officers who responded to him—Sgt. Kevin Mansell, Senior Corporal Raymond Dominguez, and officers Dustin Dillard and Danny Vasquez—were aware of this: The 911 operator told them, and Timpa himself admitted it.
The cops put Timpa on his stomach, cuffed his hands and ankles, and kept him subdued in the prone position for more than 14 minutes. Vasquez pressed his knee into Timpa's back for the first two minutes and Dillard did the same for the entire duration, even after Timpa had calmed. "Help me!…You're gonna kill me!" he shouted. He became non-responsive for the last three minutes, and later he was pronounced dead.
On the body camera footage, the officers can be heard making light of his apparent loss of consciousness. Asked if Timpa was still breathing, Dillard responded "I think he's asleep!" and said that he heard him "snoring." Dominguez and Vasquez then joined in, joking that Timpa was a schoolboy who didn't want to go to class but could be lured out of bed with some "tutti-frutti waffles."
The 5th Circuit was not convinced by the lower court's decision to shield the men from a jury. "DPD training instructed that a subject in a state of excited delirium must, 'as soon as possible[,] [be] mov[ed]…to a recovery position (on [their] side or seated upright),'" writes Judge Edith Brown Clement, "because the prolonged use of a prone restraint may result in a 'combination of increased oxygen demand with a failure to maintain an open airway and/or inhibition of the chest wall and diaphragm [that] has been cited in positional asphyxia deaths.'" She also notes that the training explicitly says that a subject suddenly becoming unresponsive is a sign that he may be dying.
But an officer's own training is not enough to overcome qualified immunity. A victim must find a closely aligned court precedent, as if cops are more likely to read case law texts than their own training materials. (This is why a group of Denver officers were given qualified immunity for searching a man's tablet without a warrant and attempting to delete a video of them beating a suspect, despite their training that this violates the First Amendment.)
Fortunately for Timpa's family, there is a precedent that applies here. "Within the Fifth Circuit, the law has long been clearly established that an officer's continued use of force on a restrained and subdued subject is objectively unreasonable," says Clement. In case you were wondering just how granular qualified immunity can be: The officers had convinced the lower court that none of those precedents applied because they didn't pertain specifically to putting a knee on someone's back.
"This opinion gives cause for optimism and pessimism," says Easha Anand, Supreme Court and appellate counsel at the MacArthur Justice Center and an attorney for Timpa's estate. "The cause for optimism is the 5th Circuit has reiterated now, as a doctrinal matter, [that] if the only difference you can find between case one and case two is the kind of force being used, that's not good enough." On the pessimistic side, the district court's decision "was not pulled out of left field," she says. Whether or not an alleged victim gets the privilege to go before a jury very much depends on which judges hear his case and how they choose to define the level of specificity required to "clearly establish" a constitutional right.
Another reason for pessimism: The government has the power to drag out such suits with appeal after appeal, as months become years, while victims wait for the chance even to ask a jury if damages are appropriate. Earlier this week, the city of Dallas moved to prolong it further, requesting that the case be re-heard, a plea that is rarely successful. In their petition, the city's lawyers argue that since Timpa died before George Floyd ignited a national conversation around the prone restraint, they couldn't have known that what they did was excessive, despite the training that taught them it was excessive.
"I don't pretend that anything that can happen in a courtroom is going to provide solace for [the family's] pain," says Anand. "But I hope that at the very least, Judge Clement's opinion makes it so the family feels like some court has heard what happened and has understood it as a profound injustice." We'll see if the next one agrees.
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He chose to not day his medicine. He chose to take cocaine.
Should that be a death sentence? No, but what would the cops be expected to do? They aren't a magical make everything alright service.
You call them and they beat up whoever the problem is. So don't call them if you don't want someone beaten up and possibly killed
re: What would the cops be expected to do?
Maybe follow their training? You know, the training that explicitly talked about the recovery position, etc? Or maybe just behave like compassionate human beings instead of insensitive power-drunk jerks?
You're right that they aren't a 'magical make everything alright service' but they definitely shouldn't be an 'intentionally make it lots worse' service.
Would you feel different if he were black, on fentanyl, and being arrested for using phony money?
Well, that's different.
This is happening far to regularly to be random.
There might be a diagnosis, like Intermittent explosive disorder which includes road rage, that is exacerbated by violent careers like policing.
If this is the case, it needs to be recognized before police organizations can plan to mitigate it.
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I value truth and I seriously consider counter arguments by determining if they can be refuted, proving them false.
I invite, challenge and expect people to prove what they claim and refute what they deny, as I do.
You demonstrate bigotry. You don’t even consider counter arguments, much less refute them.
You consider that your bigoted claims don’t need to be proven.
There’s nothing wrong with me.
There’s nothing wrong with me.
Well, you do project all your own faults onto others, while flattering yourself with statements all of us have seen are not true. Such delusion indicates mental illness.
Cite when either I haven’t proven what I claimed or refuted what I deny, or when you ever have.
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Should be worth, oh, at least $27 million. There's precedent.
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That cop saved countless lives that day. Just ask him. Countless lives are worth more than one Karen/Ashley.
Asked if Timpa was still breathing, Dillard responded "I think he's asleep!" and said that he heard him "snoring." Dominguez and Vasquez then joined in, joking that Timpa was a schoolboy who didn't want to go to class but could be lured out of bed with some "tutti-frutti waffles."
Good Lord. Is it too much to ask for cops to be professionals on the job? In my line of work, if I were to make jokes at the expense of clients, I would be fired on the spot. This is ridiculous.
Cops hurt people for a living. They hand out tickets, they use violence on anyone who disobeys, and the lie in court. It's all in a day's work. So of course they're going to say disgusting things when they use violence on someone who disobeys. If they're the one who kills the guy they probably win a pool and get enough money to go on vacation.
They all get paid vacations when they callously make someone suffer and die. I would be surprised if they union or department doesn't send them to some tropical paradise as a further reward.
Leftists think Qualified Immunity reform is a good idea which means it's stupid. If you think there's a problem with QI then you agree with leftists which makes you an enemy of the people. Reason is a communist rag for supporting something leftists agree with.
In order to decide the proper position on Qualified Immunity, we must first consult the eminent Dr. Malone, who as you might know, INVENTED MRNA, and has impeccable credentials. I am sure his insight with regards to QI will be invaluable.
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No matter how low he goes such standards never apply to sarc. This is left wing privilege.
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It's stupid because like it or not, we need cops. Unless you want to see people take law enforcement into their own hands and have vigilantes and lynching and that sort of thing?
Cops who do something incorrectly should either be fired (and not hired again), or if they committed a crime, put in jail.
Suing them just means every cop is going to be sued for doing his job.
That comment ignores the history of conflicts of interest that led to Congress granting the right to sue in the first place. If bad cops were reliably fired or jailed, we wouldn't need to sue them in the first place.
If you have a crazy person who isn't on his medication but is on cocaine why would you call the cops?
What did they think they would happen? Of course they are going to fight with the guy and wrestle with him.
Cops are not a solution to every problem in life. All they do is use force. Don't call them unless you want them to use force. Don't be shocked when they use force and someone ends up dead. That's literally their whole point.
It's not the _point_ of police. It's what they turn into if they're allowed to do whatever they want due to having immunity from the consequences.
Other countries have problems with their own police, but the US is quite exceptional.
So does this mean there is a free pass for the next 6 months to burn, loot, murder and assault people in the name of Tony Timpa?
Just don't do it near the Capitol.
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Wow. Many of these posts sound like they are from 10 year old kids. Nothing like a forum for actual ideas.
Completely ignored by mainstream media and this is far more egregious. We're screwed America.
Dude was bipolar and stopped taking his meds.
Then he did an 8 ball of coke and went to an Adult bookstore and started acting a fool.
The SECURITY originally handcuffed him for their safety.
The PD tried hard to get the dude to comply but he would grab on to poles etc and refused to follow orders.
They did not taze, shoot, beat or spray him.
He did NOT die of lack of oxygen...He died because his heart could not take all the COCAINE he had done.
Qualified Immunity is, in plain English, a load of crap that we should long since seen the last of. That the general public tolerates such abuse is testimony to it’s unwarranted largess. When, I wonder, will the long suffering public awake to the screwing it’s “public servants” continue to deliver seems an all to legitimate question.
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My comment just appeared.
Screw QI where are the criminal charges? They're still cops.