Rochelle Walensky Said an Antigen Test Is a Good Tool for 'Judging Infectiousness.' Now She Says 'Its Information Will Not Be Useful.'
The CDC director's explanation of her agency's confusing advice about home COVID-19 testing is hard to understand.

When the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) revised its guidelines for Americans recovering from COVID-19 last week, reducing the recommended isolation period from 10 days to five, many critics complained that the agency said nothing about using rapid antigen tests to verify that infected people are no longer contagious. Yesterday the CDC addressed that concern, sort of, by adding this advice:
If an individual has access to a test and wants to test, the best approach is to use an antigen test towards the end of the 5-day isolation period. Collect the test sample only if you are fever-free for 24 hours without the use of fever-reducing medication and your other symptoms have improved (loss of taste and smell may persist for weeks or months after recovery and need not delay the end of isolation). If your test result is positive, you should continue to isolate until day 10. If your test result is negative, you can end isolation, but continue to wear a well-fitting mask around others at home and in public until day 10.
Notably, the CDC is still not actually recommending that people leaving isolation use antigen tests before returning to work or otherwise resuming normal activities. Its advice is limited to what people should do if they can obtain a test kit and are already inclined to use it. That stance is puzzling, since a negative test result provides additional assurance that you won't infect others, while a positive result, as the CDC acknowledges, indicates that continued isolation is prudent.
Since the CDC suggests that people may not have "access to a test" even if they want to take one, one obvious explanation for its otherwise confusing advice is that, two years into the pandemic, home tests remain more expensive and harder to obtain in the United States than they are in other countries, thanks mainly to the Food and Drug Administration's reckless foot-dragging. But CDC Director Rochelle Walensky also has cast doubt on the reliability of antigen tests.
"We opted not to have the rapid test for isolation because we actually don't know how our rapid tests perform and how well they predict whether you're transmissible during the end of disease," Walensky told CNN last week. "The FDA has not authorized them for that use." In an NBC interview, she even said the information provided by an antigen test "will not be useful."
That position contradicts what the CDC is now saying. According to its latest advice, a positive antigen test does provide useful information, justifying continued isolation. A negative result likewise provides useful information for those who choose to take the test, since, according to the CDC, it means "you can end isolation."
As New York Times columnist Zeynep Tufekci notes, Walensky's dismissal of antigen tests also contradicts the views she expressed before she became head of the CDC. In September 2020, when Walensky was a Harvard Medical School professor and chief of Massachusetts General Hospital's infectious disease division, she co-authored a Health Affairs article that compared the pros and cons of antigen tests, which detect molecules on the surface of the coronavirus and deliver fast results at home, and polymerase chain reaction (PCR) tests, which detect genetic material from the virus after amplifying it and require a medical visit and laboratory processing.
"It turns out that the PCR-based nasal swab your caregiver uses in the hospital does a great job determining if you are infected," Walensky and David Paltiel, a professor at the Yale School of Public Health, wrote, "but it does a rotten job of zooming in on whether you are infectious. By contrast, the rapid saliva-based antigen test with the 30 percent false negative rate does a poor job of diagnosing infection, but it is likely the better tool for judging infectiousness."
Judging infectiousness, of course, is exactly the issue when someone recovering from COVID-19 is deciding when they can safely mingle with others. In this context, Tufekci suggests, "rapid tests are a good way to see who is infectious and who can return to public life," and "their lack of sensitivity to minute amounts of virus is actually a good thing," since it means that "false negatives" are likely to involve people with very low viral loads.
Tufekci sees a parallel between the CDC's current attitude toward antigen tests and its early resistance to masking as a safeguard against virus transmission. While public health officials initially said there was not enough evidence to support general use of face masks, it became clear that their real concern was the shortage of high-quality masks, which they thought should be reserved for health care workers. In this case, the U.S. is facing a government-engineered shortage of rapid antigen tests. Instead of forthrightly noting that reality, the CDC is rationalizing its testing advice by arguing that the tests are not really all that useful, even as it implicitly acknowledges that they are.
Walensky's handling of this issue is of a piece with the CDC's prior misrepresentations of COVID-19 science, which often seem motivated by a desire to defend whatever position the agency is taking at the moment. While Walensky herself has proven to be an unreliable source of information about COVID-19 on several occasions, the problem predates her tenure.
The agency quickly went from dismissing the value of face masks to describing them as "the most important, powerful public health tool we have." Walensky's predecessor, Robert Redfield, went so far as to argue that masks were more effective than vaccines would be. Even after vaccines proved to be remarkably effective, especially at preventing severe disease and death, Walensky suggested something similar, exaggerating the evidence in favor of masks in a way that implicitly denigrated the value of vaccination. And to this day, the CDC's advice about face coverings emphasizes the importance of a good fit without talking about the substantial differences in the effectiveness of different mask types.
None of this inspires confidence in an agency that Americans should be able to trust during a pandemic. The skepticism engendered by the CDC's history of misleading statements and weakly justified reversals surely did not help when the agency decided to cut the recommended isolation period in half, even though that was a sensible step.
The CDC said the change was "motivated by science demonstrating that the majority of SARS-CoV-2 transmission occurs early in the course of illness, generally in the 1-2 days prior to onset of symptoms and the 2-3 days after." That gloss concedes that some transmission occurs after more than five days, but that point is not necessarily decisive, because other factors need to be considered in formulating advice for the general public.
Walensky and Anthony Fauci, President Joe Biden's top COVID-19 adviser, noted that a 10-day isolation period has very disruptive effects on the economy, including the health care sector, which is especially relevant during the current omicron surge. "On balance," Fauci said, "if you look at the safety of the public and the need to have society not disrupted, this was a good choice."
Walesnky and Fauci also noted that 10 days of isolation was more than most people were able or willing to put up with. "It really had a lot to do with what we thought people would be able to tolerate," Walensky said. "We really want to make sure that we have guidance, in this moment when we knew we were going to have a lot of disease, that could be adhered to."
That consideration is also relevant. Erring on the side of caution does not make sense if it means your advice will be widely ignored. Guidelines that tolerate some risk of transmission can be more effective than guidelines that aim for zero risk if people are more likely to actually follow them. As Fauci observed, "you don't want the perfect to be the enemy of the good."
On this score, much of the criticism provoked by the CDC's new guidelines was misplaced. "By incorporating societal responses and employer requirements into their arguments," MSNBC columnist Hayes Brown complained, "Walensky and Fauci implied that the CDC's decision wasn't based purely in science." But the CDC's advice has never been "based purely in science." Nor should it be.
Recommendations about how to deal with the threat posed by a contagious disease inevitably incorporate value judgments and cost-benefit analysis. There is nothing inherently wrong with that, as long as the CDC is honest about the science, candid about the factors it considers, and willing to recognize that people might reasonably reach different conclusions, depending on their risk tolerance, personal preferences, and evaluation of the evidence.
Unfortunately, the CDC frequently has fallen short on one or more of those criteria, and its testing advice is a good example of that failure. As Walensky once emphasized and the CDC even now implicitly concedes, antigen tests are a useful, if imperfect, tool for reducing transmission risk while allowing people to resume normal life. Recommending their use toward the end of isolation—instead of simply granting that some people might "want" to use them, apparently for idiosyncratic, unscientific reasons—seems commonsensical. It might even help restore the credibility that the CDC has lost by refusing to level with the public.
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Just for the record, the CDC has been crystal clear on this since day one; "do whatever the fascists in DC say to do, or else!".
The only science involved is political science.
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You almost figured it out. Biden looks bad if people can't get tests to end their quarantine, so they drop the requirement. After all, it's not like anybody could have predicted a huge rise in cases at this time of year, and since nobody could have predicted it, we didn't realize we'd need so many tests if we demanded everybody test negative. Biden is the real victim here.
The CDNC has no credibility.
CNNDNCDC
Wow, so clever.
Impending Doom!
We were never at war with EastasiaAntigen testing was never a useful tool.The Surgeon General warns that politicians and bureaucrats smoking Biden’s cock may be harmful to the nation’s health.
The CDC's "advice" is starting to remind me of the rules for Fizzbin.
Or Calvin ball
Trying to out-Fauci Fauci.
My hovercraft is full of eels.
My nipples explode with delight!
Drop your panties Sir William, I cannot wait until lunchtime!
So much for Pathos...
Are they electric eels or gas eels?
Are they more or less accurate than roadside cocaine test the cops use?
They are the same test!
New packaging, and 5 times the price.
Alternatively they could just include a coin in a package you flip into the air.
And both get you locked up if they indicate a positive result.
cops use roadside cocaine?
She must be too...
Stop testing people who aren't sick.
GRANDMA KILLER!
This! People are so freaked out by this shit that they test 10 or 20 times over a few days. Big shock that we have a shortage of tests.
Tests aren't needed, they're just a tool to increase control and neurosis.
If you're asymptomatic, live life. If you're sick, stay home. If you're really sick, go to a doctor.
At no point is a test necessary prior to hospital.
Yes, this is all well and good, but what makes
clingersdeplorablesright wingersnasty undesirableswreckersTrumpistsrefuseniksCOVIDiotskulaksJewsFOX NewsThe 1%honkeysTERFsthe Koch BrotherMTGanti-vaxxersAlex JonesReason comment thread participants cry the hardest?It's not and has never been about health or safety. It is and has always been a shibboleth to Other-ize political opponents and keep the people in a perpetual state of fear.
See Mencken, H L.
Id rather see her and Fauci on ropes.
Jesus. Enough with the cutie-pie cross-outs already.
The CDC director's explanation of her agency's confusing advice about home COVID-19 testing is hard to understand.
Only to those of you sitting at home wondering when that Nigerian prince is going to put that money into your bank account. The rest of us understand the confusing advice perfectly well and that's exactly why we pay no attention whatsoever to it. Might as well listen to Joe Biden's advice on how to get squirrels out of your pants as listen to the CDC.
I thought it was to get them IN your pants.
Squirrels + pudding = profit
Phase 1: Collect squirrels in pants.
Phase 2: ?
Phase 3: Profit!
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Tufekci sees a parallel between the CDC's current attitude toward antigen tests and its early resistance to masking as a safeguard against virus transmission.
The CDC's early resistance to masking was the correct position. The advice to mask was based on a hail mary, and a bone to throw the public, giving the average person a "tool" to "feel safe" when mixing with others. Then masking became a political cult, and the rest was history.
Exactly the case. Trump telling people to go out and participate in the economy would have only dug people further in, so Fauci lied about masks so they'd feel safe going to the store.
CDCs own research says masks dibt work.
Shes a political Tool and not a Science-er.
Scientologist perhaps...
Reason's language around the myth of the noble lie with regards to masks is annoying. The CDC knew they weren't effective, 'cause they had done the meta-analysis - same as WHO - ultimately concluding they weren't effective. Fauci even had a FOIA email saying as much.
her agency's confusing advice
This is a feature. The comms are intentionally confusing or designed to spark fear, not to inform.
It's actually really simple.
"If we told you to use tests, you'd ask why you can't get them in reasonable quantities and prices when the entire rest of the world has them in reasonable quantities and prices. And that would expose that the Biden Administration and his Democratic comrades in Congress are evil."
There is nothing stopping the Democratic elected officials who control the White House and Congress from passing (or at least forcing a cloture vote on) an emergency law that says that tests that have been on this list for three months without being withdrawn are authorized for sale and use in the United States.
Their continued refusal to take such a simple measure can only be explained by them not wanting to do so, and there is no benign explanation for that.
A test for a virus everyones gonna get.
Thats asinine on several levels.
Profit motive
Useless
Fuck Joe Biden and his Monkey Walensky
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Someone could have yelled " GRENADE..."
Well that didnt take long.
New Hysteria invented already!
https://news.yahoo.com/next-big-covid-variant-could-100250868.html
A lineage from, rather than a variant of, the best kind of correct!
Why, oh why, did America turn its lowly eyes to Joe the Plumber when it was in need of a way to differentiate viral hierarchy?
Great complex scientific construct, clearly defined path forward and conclusions, connected by....
COULD BE.
And connected by idiots...
I'm not sure that I see the contradiction. If your symptoms resolved, that means your body doesn't detect the virus anymore, which ought to be a pretty good indication that you are no longer infectious. Let's say that 1% of people's immune systems are such that they somehow stop detecting the virus or it starts to fight it without symptoms but then arbitrarily moves to fight it without symptoms or whatever. Given that, during this surge, the probability that any given asymptomatic person is infected probably isn't far off of 1%, it is no more necessary to test at recovery than to just randomly test. However, if you decide to test for whatever reason and come back positive, then congratulations, you are one of the few that have a weird immune response, so should isolate. Doesn't change the fact that it is so unusual that testing for it isn't necessary during COVID peaks.
Get aload of Mr. Markov Chain/Fact Pattern over here!
They snuck the "asymptomatic" fiction back in at some point, and leftists are universally devout believers.
*the "asymptomatic spread" fiction
Not for the vaccinated. There you will have asymptomatic spread as symptoms are reduced while viral loads remain high.
Stop with the nuance. It hurts our brains. Get back to the platitudes please.
I meant: ...% of people's immune systems are such that they somehow stop detecting the virus or it starts to fight it with symptoms but then arbitrarily moves to fight it without symptoms or whatever.
...thats SARS...and yes, very few people, mostly immuno compromised.
Interesting how " scientists" recognize its SARS but Fucki et al refuse to use that tetm.
Fuck Joe Buden and his Pet Monkey Fauci
I didn't actually read the article. Can I assume this is just more tedious hairsplitting of the blatherings of a women whose arrogance and stupidity are outweighed only by her astonishing dishonesty? Thanks in advance.
Eventually lies become hard to contain and keep straight. Theyre past that point.
Tobecertain.
if you are fever-free for 24 hours without the use of fever-reducing medication and your other symptoms have improved
Schadenfreude: When your family and your wife's family have a schism between 'never give Tylenol for anything below about 103°' and 'run a Tylenol IV drip for anything 98.9° and above'; and the most authoritative medical advice defending your position is the CDC.
24 h.
Not 23. Arbitrary.
From the no-nothing, science-denying armchair quarterbacks at Oxford University:
Anecdotally, I learned that my general 95-96 degree oral thermometer temperature is, apparently, a symptom of my white, male privilege. Cool.
Thats incomplete science. They excluded rectal temperature.
Theyd better get TSA on that immediately.
After all, rectal IS " more accurate" and this IS a crisis!
I'm fairly sure I read that nearly 1/3 of covid positives don't even get a fever, so the whole thing was nothing but theater.
yes the CDC sounds incompetent.
as for their advice? "no" is the correct response.
Oh HERES a moron...
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No safety rope.
OSHA might want to get right on that.
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"Fully vaccinated can get booster..."
How about " effectively vaccinated?"
( thats baiting a response....)
Hells Bells this is coming apart FAST:
https://www.statnews.com/2022/01/05/study-raises-doubts-about-rapid-covid-tests-reliability-in-early-days-after-infection/
Dave, you really need to fuck off and quit making a public ass of yourself. It is quite obvious that a high IQ is not part of your equipment.
Suggest you STFU until you've learned enough to make cogent comments.
Or just STFU totally.
no Assweasel Ill just keep spinning morons like you up to show what morons you are.
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Clueless bureaucrat still clueless, quelle surprise.
Doing my part; wearing a mask on entering a restaurant, immediately removing it.
We need to make it clear to those in the restaurants that there is nothing personal involved and make the same equally clear to the owners.
Personally, we are not offering donations to the legal costs of the owners.
Correction:
"we are now offering donations to the legal costs of the owners."
It warms my cockles to see red states ignoring these hacks.
We've gone through the pandemic with a healthier control group.
Pete Buttigeg warms my cock. So does Kamala.
"FLORIDA
Gov. Ron DeSantis and Surgeon General Joseph Ladapo — who have both questioned the efficacy of masks and vaccines — have responded to Florida’s record-breaking omicron surge by recommending limits on testing.
Cutting back on testing at a time when Florida cases are spiking and setting new records every week flies in the face of expert opinion and could have dire consequences, including increased hospitalizations and deaths, public health experts said...
Florida already is one of the highest states for infection rates, with 256 of every 100,000 residents infected daily, and a positive test rate of 39%, according to the latest data available from the CDC. The state has seen a 566% increase in new cases in the past two weeks...
After more than two weeks of silence while Florida caseloads hit new record highs and hospitalizations doubled, DeSantis and Ladapo this week announced they would be rolling out a policy to limit who gets tested for COVID-19...
Their announcement drew immediate outrage from public health experts, including Ashish Jha of Brown University, who said Florida should be doing the exact opposite of what DeSantis and Ladapo are recommending.
Reduced testing will only serve to “underestimate the severity of the present surge and give Floridians a false sense of security,” said Dr. Frederick Southwick, former head of infectious diseases at the University of Florida. “Stopping testing is a way to game the system and hide the severe consequences of the Governor’s and Legislature’s laws prohibiting the mandating of masks and vaccines.”
He was also critical of the governor’s decision not to require masks and not to push vaccinations.
“Masks, avoiding public spaces and, most important, vaccination are the way to reduce fear and reduce cases,” Southwick said...
Florida decided to shut down state-run testing sites months ago, long before the delta variant surge, leaving testing to the local county departments, CVS, Walgreens and other private pharmacies. Fewer sites are available with fewer people running them.."
Jeffrey Schweers
Capital Bureau | USA TODAY NETWORK-FLORIDA
Government agencies have failed us time and time again. Although not the only one, the CDC has gone from a scientific endeavor to what is now largely a political agency.
The CDC needs to be either completely eliminated or slashed to a quarter of the size and scope. Personally I feel that it is so broken and distorted that it would be easier to eliminate and build a new vastly much smaller and limited in scope agency or simply let each state assume the role.
At least with the state assuming the role, it is more local and there would be 50 different idea incubators. If one state bungles like the CDC at least not all 50 states are effected.
Sciencists can’t science. If it’s not relevant to their agenda (climate change, social justice, LGBTQ+). They don’t understand it or don’t care.
Agencies are utterly un- Constitutional.
Congress was not intended to artificially expand the Three Branches and two (?) military entities, via lawmaking, into 120 some Agencies and other quasi entities hiding in the background.
All that scam was enabled by instituting the Income Tax.
Thats all/ mostly been created, incidentally, thru and during war time.
Its a massive failure. Time for it to all collapse.
Title, decoded:
" Rochelle Walensky Said an Antigen Test Is a Good Tool for 'making money on tests.' Now She Says 'sales fell off so its off to the next Carnival Game.'
I’ve noticed now that they’ve bungled this omicron thing, the Dems and their media fellaters are trying to pivot to “the insurrection” and “democracy being in danger”. Anything to distract from their incompetence.
Heres a video of the real insurrection:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rl7AMLdvbdQ
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Your job was done here pretty much the day you showed up; making a public ass of yourself in nearly every post.
And, no calling idiot assholes on their bullshit is not 'wetting pants'. Fuck off and die, adolescent piece of shit.
yeah you, asswipe.
Go slap your mother. If you know who she is.
Id tell you to kiss my ass but then Id have to wash it.
No, I dont want Large Fries with that.
Id read your comment but then that would mean two fools.
The test hysteria is ridiculous. If you get sick stay home until your symptoms subside. Just like we've done with colds and flu for decades. Common sense has left the building.
At this point your health is your responsibility. Govern yourself accordingly. I'm not wearing a mask or frantically testing myself to protect you.
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