Can the Government Hide Its Misdeeds as 'State Secrets'?
A surveillance case will determine whether officials can be sued for "national security" rights violations.

The terrorist attacks of September 11 and the government exploitation of them to expand civilian surveillance continue to cast a shadow over our civil liberties. Now the Supreme Court is considering whether officials can escape accountability for violating people's rights by claiming relevant information is too secret to be considered. The case, FBI v. Fazaga, involves surveillance of Muslim Americans in the years after the attacks, but it could determine the protections people will enjoy as the powers-that-be move on to finding other supposed domestic enemies in our midst.
As the ACLU describes the case, it all started with FBI surveillance of mosques in Orange County, California, during an operation in 2006 and 2007. Sheik Yassir Fazaga and two congregants sued the feds for singling them out by planting audio recording devices and conducting electronic surveillance of homes, mosques, and businesses.
"The District Court for the Southern District of California dismissed their claims that the FBI unlawfully targeted Muslim community members for surveillance based on their religion, accepting the FBI's argument that further proceedings could reveal state secrets," the ACLU notes. "The Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals disagreed, instructing the district court to consider the plaintiffs' religious discrimination claims under procedures mandated by Congress in the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA), which specifies how courts should handle sensitive evidence in cases involving surveillance conducted for national security purposes."
The FBI appealed, which lands us before the United States Supreme Court with the justices set to determine not whether the plaintiffs' rights were violated, but whether the courts should be allowed access to information that would permit them to proceed with the case. The government argues, once again, that some matters are so sensitive that the courts shouldn't even be able to consider whether the government acted with respect for constitutionally protections.
State secrets privilege, as the doctrine is known, has a long and sketchy history, evolving from bad official behavior after a 1948 plane crash that killed several civilian observers. When the observers' widows sued in United States v. Reynolds, the government argued that information about the plane was too super-secret to be revealed in court. The Supreme Court agreed that some things are too sensitive to be used in legal proceedings and gave the executive branch a free pass to invoke the phrase "national security" as a shield against accountability.
"Decades later, declassified documents revealed that the flight had no national security import at all and that Air Force officials had perjured themselves when they told the Court otherwise," Reason's Matt Welch observed in 2006. "In the meantime, the ruling provided the framework for executive privilege, which the Bush administration has been trying to expand."
Not just the Bush administration appreciated state secrets privilege, of course; all presidents enjoy the ability to act without consequence. That's how we end up all these years later with the question of whether the state secrets privilege is so broad that it can protect federal agents from the need to square spying on Americans with the protections afforded by the Constitution.
It should be noted that the Supreme Court isn't considering whether whatever secrets the FBI claims to be preserving should be introduced into open court, but whether they'll be privately considered by a judge.
"The 9th Circuit determined that, instead of dismissing claims when the government invokes the state-secrets privilege, courts should use the procedures outlined in Section 1806(f) of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act to determine whether the surveillance was legally authorized and conducted," Amy Howe commented at SCOTUSblog. "That provision establishes a mechanism for a federal district judge to review sensitive surveillance information behind closed doors if a regular public hearing would harm national security."
So the government isn't arguing just that some information is too sensitive for the public, but also that it should be kept from judges' eyes. That would leave people with no recourse at all when federal agencies invoke the magic phrase "national security" to block lawsuits alleging rights violations.
"In a world in which the national security state is growing larger every day, that's quite a power," observed Justice Neil Gorsuch during oral arguments on November 8.
The outcome of this case is important not just to the plaintiffs, but to anybody who alleges abuse by a government increasingly inclined to classify its motivations, activities, and resources as secrets to be kept from the grubby fingers and peering eyes of the little people. While that government has largely moved on from the concerns that drove it to spy on mosques in Orange County, that doesn't mean it's no longer a threat to Americans.
"The Homeland continues to face a diverse and challenging threat environment as it approaches several religious holidays and associated mass gatherings that in the past have served as potential targets for acts of violence," the Department of Homeland Security announced in a National Terrorism Advisory Bulletin dated just last week. "These threats include those posed by individuals and small groups engaged in violence, including domestic violent extremists (DVEs) and those inspired or motivated by foreign terrorists and other malign foreign influences."
Just last month, the feds turned their attention against angry parents protesting against pandemic policies and curricula content at school board meetings.
"Attorney General Merrick B. Garland directed the FBI and U.S. Attorneys' Offices to meet in the next 30 days with federal, state, Tribal, territorial and local law enforcement leaders to discuss strategies for addressing this disturbing trend," the Justice Department announced October 4. "These sessions will open dedicated lines of communication for threat reporting, assessment and response by law enforcement."
However legitimate or bogus you consider the dangers from domestic violent extremists and mad moms, there's enormous potential for rights abuses. It doesn't take much for surveillance to turn into serious privacy violations, or for infiltration to turn into entrapment. Whether the latest targets of government attention will be able to seek redress in court depends, in part, on the outcome of Fazaga.
Ideally, government wouldn't violate our rights at all. But in the real world, abuses seem inevitable, and we need access to courts that hold officials to account without letting them argue that their misdeeds are too secret to be addressed.
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It seems to me the problem is two-fold here, the FBI must argue both that maintaining secrecy on their programs is crucial to state security and that their programs themselves are crucial to maintaining state security. I'll gladly give them a pass on the first part, but it's a hard pass on the second. Given that the FBI seems to be incapable of foiling any plots they themselves didn't instigate, I would say their surveillance programs don't do a damn thing to keep us any safer regardless of how sensitive they are.
The goal of clandestine operations is not to keep the American people safe. It is to generate propaganda that states domestic terrorism is rampant and the FBI is doing a great job thwarting the terrorists. It is self perpetuating nonsense.
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A pass on the first one is a de facto pass on the second.
If the secrecy of the program is necessary then how can you ever know enough about it to assess the necessity of the program in the first place? You're not allowed to know because of 'state security's and mist just take their word for it.
odd how absolute proof of two shooters at Las Vegas ( taxi drivers recording) continues to mystify such an elite investigative Agency..
(cough FUCKINGLIARS cough)
The recording showed TWO shooters at different locations and not echoes bc the number of rounds was different. One shoorer? One set of shots and the SAME number of echoes!
Agencies are totally un Constitutional. Time for them to go.
It can because it does.
Sorry, if the American people have learned anything in the aftermath of 9/11, it is this: We cannot trust the FBI, DOJ or the CIA. They have become politicized tools of surveillance and oppression.
As an American, I cannot believe I am writing that. But it is true.
Exactly right.
This isn't news. Ever heard of Hoover?
Oh yeah. We should just drop it then.
Wonder what he thinks about the apparent fbi agent calling for people to enter the building on j6....
You expect him to think?
Wonder what _who_ thinks?
It sounds like you're asking what J. Edgar Hoover thinks. If he ever did think, it stopped when he assumed room temperature decades ago.
I prefer Electrolux.
I kinda thought the FBI turned into angels sometime around 2010.
The police force is watching the people
And the people just can't understand...
"Sorry, if the American people have learned anything in the aftermath of 9/11, it is this: We cannot trust the FBI, DOJ or the CIA. They have become politicized tools of surveillance and oppression."
The FBI and CIA have always been political tools.
Go do some research on what J. Edgar Hoover did as the first director of the FBI. Among other things he was blackmailing members of Congress.
Most people don't realize that the US intelligence agencies pretty much do what they want regardless of laws and government oversight. Digital snooping hasn't abated even though there was much discussion about the illegal operations of NSA and CIA. James Clapper sat before Congress and lied through his teeth about it and nothing ever happened. Going back in history, in 1976 Gerald Ford signed an order banning assassinations by US intelligence. What happened? The spooks simply contracted out for their dirtiest deeds. There are 18 US intelligence agencies. Most function autonomously with the blessing of government.
it hasnt stopped. they just stop admitting it.
" Nothing to see here...."
"Now the Supreme Court is considering whether officials can escape accountability for violating people's rights by claiming relevant information is too secret to be considered."
Double secret probation.
ps. Where are Bluto and Flounder when we need them?
Bluto became a Senator who by know must have either been swallowed whole by the Swamp or resigned after TMZ published a story of his drunkenly conoodling staffers (unless he's a Dem in which case he got a nickname like Uncle Ted or Slick Willy).
theyre in the White House
"Not just the Bush administration appreciated state secrets privilege, of course; all presidents enjoy the ability to act without consequence."
----J.D. Tuccille
I remember when the digitization of all data, sites like Wikileaks, and insiders like Snowden meant that the 2,400 year era of the noble lie was finally over. But shouldn't there have been about another hundred more Snowdens in recent years? Instead of insiders leaking the truth about FBI surveillance, we've had the FBI leaking lies about political candidates and putting political candidates under surveillance without cause.
Cracking down on Assange and Snowden may be part of the explanation for the lack of more leaking activity like that. The U.S. government may have learned to crack down on the online activity of government employees like Emperor Xi cracking down on dissent within his party, too. However, part of it may be that the leaked news threat from insiders requires a semi-objective press-and, we don't have that right now.
Under Trump, the press was eager to print and broadcast anything that was negative about him--regardless of whether it made sense, came from legitimate sources, or was flatly untrue. Under Biden, the press is reluctant to print or broadcast anything about him that might make him look bad--regardless of whether it comes from Bidens themselves and has been independently confirmed as true. If the progressive press isn't the enemy of the American people, they sure have acted like it.
Ken, I read a substack article this morning from Greenwald. We don't think with principles. That was his take. He is probably right about that.
I'm sure you could come up with a Final Solution to the progressive problem. After all, they are the true enemy of the American people, and they must be stopped.
Ask Nardz. I'm sure he's got some ideas.
And you mentioned just the "illegal"* leakers, but there were a few like Thomas Drake who tried to go through the correct channels first only to have their lives destroyed.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_A._Drake
*in the eyes of many, not me.
"I remember when the digitization of all data, sites like Wikileaks, and insiders like Snowden meant that the 2,400 year era of the noble lie was finally over."
Nope. The only thing that changed is the subjects of the noble lie. Wikipedia is full of nobel lies.
Cracking down on Assange and Snowden may be part of the explanation for the lack of more leaking activity like that.
C'mon Ken. Cracking down on Assange and Snowden only solves your Assange and Snowden problems and does nothing to address your FBI/CIA/NSA credibility problems. Now, unofficially contracting the media for cracking down on Assange and Snowden and, in exchange, shielding their right to publish lies neatly solves both the Assange and Snowden problems *and* the FBI/CIA/NSA problems. If you can't trust Congress to pass laws to protect you from the ills of the Noble Lie, who can you trust? The courts? The people? Phbbbt!
Surely it helped to make an example of somebody.
When you let police keep secrets, you have secret police.
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
An oath or affirmation kept secret might as well have never happened. It's not like there are any consequences for agents who lie and the judge has absolute immunity.
But in the real world, abuses seem inevitable, and we need access to courts that hold officials to account without letting them argue that their misdeeds are too secret to be addressed.
I think the Constitution itself needs far more explicit restrictions on the secrecy of government. It is not just the clear abuses of an individuals rights that are the problem. It is that administrative/bureaucratic/regulatory actions are by default given deference by courts. Once that happens, then courts themselves become more an agent of the executive branch rather than a check on it.
>>FBI v. Fazaga, involves surveillance of Muslim Americans
insert cross-out line over "Muslim"
The Scam goes like this:
We did something illegal. We cannot disclose it as its secret. Since rules do not allow us to do illegal things and we claim we did nothing wrong, then it must have not been illegal or improper therefore we are justified to hide it.
The End Justifies the Means idea is at the heart of all mass murder.
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Can the Government Hide Its Misdeeds as 'State Secrets'?
Can it? Yes.
Will it? Yes.
Should it? No.
The FBI has counterterrorism investigations against parents at PTA meetings happening right now. Why are you guys super radical about incidences from years ago, but super shitty on current state abuses? Do we have to wait five years to have your fake "criminal justice reform" guy write about people being sentenced to three years in prison for misdemeanor "parading" after being held in solitary confinement for ten months?
why are you attacking readers instead of commenting on the topic? Low IQ?
Why are you guys super radical about incidences from years ago, but super shitty on current state abuses?
They learned their lesson *smirk* and gained some compunction *snigger* after jumping on the Russian collusion *chuckle* and the sexual assault SCOTUS bandwago *LOL*...
Sorry, couldn't make it all the way through.
"claiming relevant information is too secret to be considered"
FBI ignoring Hillary Clintons wanton CRIMINAL ACTS in giving away State secrets put that question to rest.
Any corruption can be declared secret. That doesnt mean it is.
Rules for Classification disallow using classification to hide illegal or improper acts.
Enter the Secret Courts. Nazi- ism.
Obama grossly violated International law and International Treaty by illegaly running guns to foriegners. Art. 8 of the UN ODA Inter Americas Convention on Illicit Arms allowed him to be Extradited and tried.
Was he? Was it covered up?
I wrote to the Useless Nations in NY about it
They just dismissed it. Since, the UN site hosting that Treaty was taken down. I was poating this across comment sites. Guess they didnt like being exposed.
The pix above immediately made me think of Sanford and Son.
So there IS a simpke and effective and just solution.. which all means it wil never be put into place.
WHenever a case involves super secure" informatioin, let the case proceed wihtout that being edmitted as evidence, giving the venefit of the doubt to the plaintiff. That way "no one" hears the "snesitive material" yet the plintiff, alledging he is damaged, may persue those damages. If the state wants to contest plaintiff's claims, they have to decide whether the "information" is so sneisitve its lack of revealment is more important than losing the case.
But we now have a government not of peers and equals, but of kings and priests who rule with all power and authority, the peons be hanged.. sometimes literally.
NOT what our forefathers stood up for on Lexington Commons and at the COncord Bridge.
NOTHING in a free society should be beyond scrutiny. Even if you determine revealing certain information publicly would hurt ‘national security’ then review it sans public scrutiny. To say something is ‘so secret’ even an appeals court can’t see it is evidence that someone is concealing a crime and that person should be in jail.
Any defendant is free to not present a defense. In any other context, that's called a forfeit; you don't get to say, “I can't play, so I win.”
National security requires sacrifices from all of us, right?
The government has used "national security" and redaction to hide their misdeeds almost from the beginning of the US. The Freedom of information act was suppose to provide government transparency, but corrupt judges and claims of national security has protected government misdeeds and corrupt politicians from exposure and prosecution. In other words, nothing new to see here.
"THAT PROVISION ESTABLISHES A MECHANISM FOR A FEDERAL DISTRICT JUDGE TO REVIEW SENSITIVE SURVEILLANCE INFORMATION BEHIND CLOSED DOORS IF A REGULAR PUBLIC HEARING WOULD HARM NATIONAL SECURITY."
And how is review by judge working for FISA warrants?
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"So the government isn't arguing just that some information is too sensitive for the public, but also that it should be kept from judges' eyes." More than that, they are arguing that 14-year-old information is _still_ that sensitive. Most secrets age out much faster than this. Either the secret is no longer relevant (like the information that we were wiretapping something in 2007), or it's been revealed to everyone _but_ the American public through other means.
I'd rate the chance that the information was properly classified in 2007, rather than being over-classified to protect FBI bumbling and rights violations, as about 50-50. Fourteen years later, I think the chance that it's still a secret to our enemies and still needs to be kept secret is under 10%.