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Criminal Justice

Jury Deliberations Begin in Kyle Rittenhouse Trial After Judge Tosses Gun Charge

Plus: Yale University faces an interesting lawsuit, the ACLU takes a stance on student loan debt, and more...

Robby Soave | 11.16.2021 9:30 AM

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Kyle Rittenhouse's fate is now in the hands of the jury, following closing arguments and another day of courtroom drama that included more irresponsible behavior from the prosecutor, Assistant District Attorney Thomas Binger.

While simulating Rittenhouse's alleged actions, Binger held up the gun and put his finger on the trigger. He did not point it at the jury, as some on Twitter claimed, but nevertheless, this was an idiotic thing to do, even assuming the gun was not loaded.

"With the recent accidental shooting on a movie set in New Mexico still fresh on our minds, Binger sweeps the courtroom spectator section with the weapon and incredulously breaks firearms handling safety rule number one—never place your finger on the trigger unless and until you have acquired a target you may have to neutralize," wrote the New York Post's James A. Gagliano. "Yet another example of those prosecuting gun crimes with little understanding of guns."

https://twitter.com/BecketAdams/status/1460329658130513925

MSNBC's Joy Reid totally missed the point, tweeting: "So according to right wing Twitter, it's OUTRAGEOUS for a prosecutor to point an unloaded AR-15 toward the jury to demonstrate how scary that firearm is, but totally cool for a teenager to point a loaded one at people and shoot them." It's outrageous to point a gun at another person and put your finger on the trigger unless you intend to shoot. Binger obviously didn't intend to open fire on the courtroom, which is why his conduct was outrageous. This doesn't apply to Rittenhouse—he intended to shoot, and did.

Note that this is the same prosecutor who was savaged last week by Judge Bruce Schroeder after Binger suggested that Rittenhouse's decision to remain silent after his arrest was indicative of guilt. Contrary to what Binger wrongly asserted, refusing to answer police questions is both a fundamental component of due process and the absolute right choice for virtually everyone who finds themselves in such a situation. (Even innocent people can accidentally incriminate themselves.)

Schroeder also dealt the prosecution a defeat on Monday, dismissing the weapons charge against Rittenhouse. The Wisconsin statute that prohibits teenagers from wielding certain firearms is confusingly worded, and the judge decided Rittenhouse's weapon was not covered by the law. The decision stunned the prosecution, but Volokh Conspiracy's Eugene Volokh argues that it was likely correct.

"Just based on the news account and the statutes, the judge's decision seems correct, especially given the 'rule of lenity': 'when there is doubt as to the meaning of a criminal statute, a court should apply the rule of lenity and interpret the statute in favor of the accused,'" writes Volokh. (Read his whole post here.)

Note that Politifact had rated as false the viral claim on Facebook that "At 17 years old Kyle (Rittenhouse) was perfectly legal to be able to possess that rifle without parental supervision." The fact-checking outlet, a project of the Poynter Institute, updated its explanatory post more than a year ago but declined to change its ruling. This is a side issue, obviously, but perhaps Facebook should not vest official fact-checking powers in an organization that lazily gets things wrong all the time.

With the gun charge tossed, the question for the jury really will come down to Rittenhouse's self-defense claim: whether the three men he shot—Joseph Rosenbaum, Anthony Huber, and Gaige Grosskreutz—posed a risk to his life, and whether his decision to fire on them was reasonable. In his closing arguments, Binger tried to argue that the fact Rittenhouse had fired multiple shots at Rosenbaum rendered the self-defense claim unworkable; maybe the first shot was in self-defense, but the next three shots were not. Of course, all four shots were fired in a single second, so it's not clear that this distinction will matter to the jury: Rosenbaum was trying to take Rittenhouse's gun away, and Rittenhouse believed that Rosenbaum would have used it to shoot him, the defense has argued. (Bafflingly, the prosecution chose to mention Rosenbaum's eccentric behavior, which included setting things on fire, during closing arguments.)

The prosecution argued that while an aura of lawlessness and mayhem had descended on Kenosha during the evening of August 25, Rittenhouse choosing to enter the fray with an AR-15 was itself a provocation: He "brought a gun to a fist fight," the prosecution claimed repeatedly. But one of their own witnesses—Grosskreutz, who was shot by Rittenhouse but survived—previously testified that he also had a gun, and that he pointed it at Rittenhouse before Rittenhouse opened fire.

It's anyone's guess how the jury will rule, but liberal cable news pundits seem to be steeling themselves for an acquittal.


FREE MINDS

Two Yale Law School students are suing administrators for allegedly retaliating against them after they declined to support the school's bizarre and fraught campaign against Amy Chua, a law professor who was accused of bucking Yale's COVID-19 restrictions and hosting social gatherings with students anyway. (Chua has denied this charge.)

"Two Yale Law School deans, along with Yale Law School's Director of Diversity, Equity & Inclusion, worked together in an attempt to blackball two students of color from job opportunities as retaliation for refusing to lie to support the University's investigation into a professor of color," according to the complaint.

The Yale Daily News reports:

The Law School's investigation into Chua's behavior was first made public in April 2021, after the News reported that she was hosting private gatherings in her New Haven home — which she shares with her husband, currently-suspended law professor Jed Rubenfeld — despite having agreed in 2019 to cease all out-of-class interactions with students due to allegations of her misconduct. After Law School administrators were informed of these gatherings, including from a 20-page dossier that was compiled by a law student with personal knowledge of the gatherings, the Law School revoked Chua's ability to lead a first-year small group.

The ensuing controversy between Chua and Law School administrators gained national attention and was covered by the New York Times, the New Yorker, The Atlantic and New York Magazine.

The Monday complaint says that Jane and John Doe were the subjects of a 20-page dossier of emails and text messages which became central to the Chua investigation.

According to the complaint, when the Law School administration became aware of the dossier, Cosgrove and Eldik pressured the two students to substantiate the claims in the dossier by submitting a formal complaint against Chua. The complaint claims that the dossier, and by extension the complaint, would have contained "knowingly and materially false statements." The lawsuit further alleges that after the students denied the contents of the dossier and declined to sign onto the statement against Chua, Cosgrove and Eldik called the students on a daily basis during one week in April 2021, saying that the two had a "moral obligation" to "future generations of students" to make the statement against Chua.

A Yale law school alumni says the diversity, equity, and inclusion bureaucracy at the campus has behaved badly.


FREE MARKETS

While student loan payments were suspended during the COVID-19 pandemic, the Department of Education recently announced that borrowers will have to begin making payments again in January 2022. This news has dismayed progressives, who would like the Biden administration to permanently cancel student loan repayments, in effect canceling all that debt. The White House has reportedly considered the matter of whether it has the authority to actually do that without congressional approval.

Canceling all student loan debt would constitute a massive bailout of people who attended college and, in many cases, received a degree. While student debt can be a heavy burden, people with degrees tend to have better employment prospects—and thus access to potential wealth—than people without degrees. The government would thus be granting a massive boon to a relatively privileged population, and would not be addressing the underlying structures (i.e., subsidized student loans) that contributed to this mess.

Nevertheless, more than 100 public advocacy organizations are urging the administration to go ahead and cancel student debt. One inexplicable name on that list: the American Civil Liberties Union.

We are proud to join in demanding the Biden administration address the student debt crisis: Student debt is a racial justice issue.

We need action. https://t.co/4OGT6I3zC4

— ACLU (@ACLU) October 28, 2021

Set aside the dubious proposition that student debt is a racial issue. Is it a civil liberties issue? Why is the ACLU transforming itself into a generic progressive advocacy group that cheers for all left-wing causes, regardless of whether they align with the stated mission? As the Cato Institute's David Boaz wondered, "I'm here for the civil liberties meeting. Is it down the hall?"


QUICK HITS

  • President Joe Biden has signed the infrastructure bill.
  • The White House is trying to make it sound like Vice President Kamala Harris is loved and valued following a CNN report citing anonymous sources which said pretty much everyone on the inside is deeply frustrated with her.
  • Steve Bannon turned himself in to authorities on Monday after initially flouting a congressional subpoena order stemming from his potential role in the January 6 mayhem.
  • A Connecticut judge ruled against conspiracy theorist Alex Jones for making defamatory claims about the victims of the 2012 Sandy Hook shooting.
  • The Wyoming GOP no longer considers Rep. Liz Cheney (R–Wy.) to be a Republican.

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  1. Fist of Etiquette   4 years ago

    Kyle Rittenhouse's fate is now in the hands of the jury...

    We'll soon find out if they're white supremacists.

    1. Not Robbers=Nut Rubbers   4 years ago

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      1. Mickey Rat   4 years ago

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    2. Chumby   4 years ago

      Folks that are secretly white supremacists act klandestinely.

      1. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   4 years ago

        They like to rope people into arguments they are unprepared for and then leave them hanging.

        1. Chumby   4 years ago

          Typically happens in swing states.

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      2. Don't look at me!   4 years ago

        Ok, everyone, let’s break for lynch.

        1. Anomalous   4 years ago

          In other noose...

          1. Chumby   4 years ago

            The latest gallow pole results?

            1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   4 years ago

              Knot interested.

              1. Chumby   4 years ago

                Just as well. Think the data was whitewashed.

                1. Commenter_XY   4 years ago

                  I thought the data was just shot to shit, Chumby.

                  1. Chumby   4 years ago

                    The original data showed they were neck and neck.

                    1. Squirrelloid   4 years ago

                      I'm a frayed knot. One poll couldn't bear the weight required for analysis.

        2. Don't look at me!   4 years ago

          Everyone is hung up on puns.

          1. Quo Usque Tandem   4 years ago

            Leaves me hanging by a thread.

            1. Chumby   4 years ago

              I’m a frayed.

              1. Don't look at me!   4 years ago

                Just stringing you along.

                1. Commenter_XY   4 years ago

                  This thread is getting a little knotty.

            2. Vernon Depner   4 years ago

              That's a stretch.

      3. mad.casual   4 years ago

        Mighty white of them to keep their race issues to themselves.

    3. perlhaqr   4 years ago

      I can't believe the state would be so racist as to let the prosecution be handled by a person named Binger. I mean, it sounds almost exactly like Dinger, and we *know* that's racist as hell.

      1. mad.casual   4 years ago

        I can let it slide. Be the bigger person, as it were.

        1. perlhaqr   4 years ago

          I suppose that I was being niggardly in my reading of the situation.

      2. Vernon Depner   4 years ago

        You're triggering me.

      3. DefineReasonable   4 years ago

        Bingers’ membership in the LGBTQ alphabet club outweighs any potential color club affiliations.

    4. Moonrocks   4 years ago

      It's a trap. They're White Supremacists no matter what they do.

  2. Fist of Etiquette   4 years ago

    While simulating Rittenhouse's alleged actions, Binger held up the gun and put his finger on the trigger.

    And he never felt more powerful.

    1. Kristian H.   4 years ago

      And, of course, that wasn't a provocation, right? I mean, there is no way the jury could think the state was threatening him? Or was he? I mean, his entire argument was that was a threat, right? I'm confused, is not point a gun a provocation, but pointing a gun with finger on the trigger not a provocation? The mind boggles.

      1. Nardz   4 years ago

        He's just sending them a message about what awaits if they come back with the wrong verdict.

  3. Fist of Etiquette   4 years ago

    So according to right wing Twitter, it's OUTRAGEOUS for a prosecutor to point an unloaded AR-15 toward the jury to demonstrate how scary that firearm is, but totally cool for a teenager to point a loaded one at people and shoot them.

    Despite being homophobic herself, Reid appears totally out of sync with right wing Twitter.

    1. Don't look at me!   4 years ago

      If I was a juror, I would have been really pissed about having a gun pointed at me.

      1. Enjoy Every Sandwich   4 years ago

        This. I would probably have ended up being jailed for contempt of court but I would have called the prosecutor out right then and there.

      2. Chumby   4 years ago

        The prosecutor should have been discharged for this.

        1. Nardz   4 years ago

          Certainly a fireable offense

          1. Commenter_XY   4 years ago

            I'm sure the jurors were blown away with Binger's theatrics.

            1. Chumby   4 years ago

              Some may have felt he was merely making a hollow point.

              1. Don't look at me!   4 years ago

                He really had them over a barrel.

      3. Earth-based Human Skeptic   4 years ago

        Too bad a juror did not Rittenhouse the prosecutor.

        1. Don't look at me!   4 years ago

          One of them was going to bolt.

      4. D-Pizzle   4 years ago

        If this action created any fear of bodily harm in any of the jurors, then this act would constitute assault under the laws of most, if not all states.

      5. Kristian H.   4 years ago

        How is this not jury intimidation?

        1. Vulgar Madman   4 years ago

          It not that “assault with a deadly weapon” is serious, is it?

        2. Chumby   4 years ago

          At a minimum, the judge should have asked to see the prosecutor in his chamber.

          1. Don't look at me!   4 years ago

            Review the bullet points on gun safety.

            1. Chumby   4 years ago

              And a primer on case law.

              1. Squirrelloid   4 years ago

                So you're saying he should take a powder?

                1. Chumby   4 years ago

                  I think the prosecutor should bolt.

                  1. Smack Daddy   4 years ago

                    Someone on the jury may have been triggered by the prosecutor.

      6. Overt   4 years ago

        According to the news I read, he didn't point it at the jury. (Still bad, but not the same as pointing at the person you are trying to convince to convict)

        1. damikesc   4 years ago

          I've read in their direction...but those walls would not stop a round. He had no idea what was behind it. He should be brought up on criminal negligence charges.

          1. Overt   4 years ago

            While I agree, that is different from intimidating the jury. That's the only point I was making. He is still a buffoon.

            1. Make Democrats Extinct   4 years ago

              He should be disbarred.

          2. Davy C   4 years ago

            Good luck prosecuting a prosecutor.

        2. Brett Bellmore   4 years ago

          Yeah, and I followed the link above, which includes video, and he damned well DID point it at at least some of the jurors.

          Right at 14 seconds. Clearly pointed at the jury.

          1. Social Justice is neither   4 years ago

            No, no, you're supposed to believe some Twitter rando with the approved opinions over your lying eyes.

    2. Mickey Rat   4 years ago

      Well, given the competence and legal integrity Binger has shown prosecuting this case, the jury does constitute a threat to him like the people attacking Rittenhouse did to him.

    3. Anomalous   4 years ago

      Joy Reid has no need for guns, because she has weaponized stupidity.

      1. Irishman12   4 years ago

        Joy Reid has no need for guns, because she has weaponized stupidity.

        indeed, and you might say she has that in spades...

    4. JesseAz   4 years ago

      My favorite part of this is the Prosecutor asking to add in endangerment charges to charge Kyle with, then telling the jury Kyle should have fired warning shots into the air, in violation of common understanding of endangerment charges.

  4. Fist of Etiquette   4 years ago

    Schroeder also dealt the prosecution a defeat on Monday, dismissing the weapons charge against Rittenhouse.

    Well, Wisconsin law did that.

    1. Don't look at me!   4 years ago

      Stupid rights and freedoms keep getting in the way.

      1. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   4 years ago

        Stupid rights and freedoms

        I would assume you are referring to the right to hang a pair plastic testicles off a trailer hitch?

        1. Chumby   4 years ago

          That’s nuts.

        2. Don't look at me!   4 years ago

          Takes real balls to do that.

          1. Chumby   4 years ago

            It taints the backend of the truck.

            1. Don't look at me!   4 years ago

              If my employee did it, he would get sacked.

              1. Smack Daddy   4 years ago

                They definitely wouldn't have dick to show for it.

    2. Chumby   4 years ago

      May have caused some of the feelingz crowd to become triggered.

      1. Don't look at me!   4 years ago

        Makes the get testee.

    3. Red Rocks White Privilege   4 years ago

      What was particularly LOL about it was that the charge was based on the barrel length of the gun, and the prosecution never bothered to even measure it until the judge forced them to do so.

      1. Bubba Jones   4 years ago

        There's a lot of nonsense about how confusing this law is.

        Truth is that gun laws are routinely 10x more complicated than this law. In that context, it's stunningly simple.

        17 year olds can't have dangerous weapons.

        Well, unless it's a rifle or shotgun

        And because the rife/shotgun exemption is really a hunting exemption, you don't qualify for the exemption if the rifle or shotgun has a short barrel and is illegal for hunting, and you don't qualify for the exemption if you are otherwise violating hunting laws.

        It's. Not. Hard.

  5. Fist of Etiquette   4 years ago

    The fact-checking outlet, a project of the Poynter Institute, updated its explanatory post more than a year ago but declined to change its ruling.

    More like Politifeelings.

    1. Mother's Lament   4 years ago

      They're still waiting for the email from Jaime Harrison saying it's okay.

  6. Fist of Etiquette   4 years ago

    It's anyone's guess how the jury will rule, but liberal cable news pundits seem to be steeling themselves for an acquittal.

    Instead of months of stoking the fire for eyeballs and narrative, corporate press might have been wise to steel its consumers for that, as well.

    1. Mother's Lament   4 years ago

      How would that bring in the $$$ or help the DNC's narrative?

    2. Brian   4 years ago

      Just think of the poor rioters and the fear they will feel, knowing that right-wingers could show up in the middle of their arson and start shooting the good people attacking them?

      Chilling effect!!!!

      1. Archibald Baal   4 years ago

        The scary part is: this is the ACLU's actual stance.

      2. American Mongrel   4 years ago

        Let's hope. A neighbor recommended sniping with a bow.

    3. damikesc   4 years ago

      Well, the suits they will face by Kyle might teach them a less....oh wait, the Sandmann case did not teach them anything.

      Might be time to punish them MORE harshly.

  7. OpenBordersLiberal-tarian   4 years ago

    "The White House is trying to make it sound like Vice President Kamala Harris is loved and valued following a CNN report citing anonymous sources which said pretty much everyone on the inside is deeply frustrated with her."

    More wingnut.com lies. In fact, Biden and Harris are both performing amazingly well.

    #DefendBiden/HarrisAtAllCosts

    1. Jerryskids   4 years ago

      I can't argue with the idea that Biden and Harris are performing amazingly well. I once saw a man with no legs run the 100-yard dash in under 20 seconds on his hands and I thought that was pretty damn amazing too. Granted, if the guy had had legs, it would have been a rather pitiful performance and not at all amazing, but considering his handicap you might have expected much worse. So too with Joe and Kamala, considering their handicaps I'm amazed that either one of them can eat with a fork.

      1. R Mac   4 years ago

        Cite that Joe Biden can still eat with a fork?

        1. Ska   4 years ago

          With or without a mask on?

          1. Smack Daddy   4 years ago

            I heard he tried to get a drink without removing his mask, and almost water boarded himself to death.

            1. CLM1227   4 years ago

              I’d be more impressed with this if fully functional humans didn’t wear their masks in the pouring rain.

        2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   4 years ago

          Does a plastic spork count?

        3. ThomasD   4 years ago

          Sure he can.

          Just with proper precautions.

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKDX-qJaJ08

      2. Longtobefree   4 years ago

        There have been reports Harris does in fact eat without a fork.

        1. Don't look at me!   4 years ago

          Sausages in particular.

          1. mad.casual   4 years ago

            Oh, jeez, ow. I assumed the joke was that she eats them whole without one.

            1. Don't look at me!   4 years ago

              Lots of practice.

          2. Make Democrats Extinct   4 years ago

            Clams too. Willie Brown can vouch for that. He observed this, intently.

        2. markm23   4 years ago

          I'm sure she could eat with a fork - provided you kept everyone too far away to for her to stab with it.

    2. Just Say'n   4 years ago

      I'm starting to think this isn't a parody, just a dude at Cato

      1. Ben of Houston   4 years ago

        At least OBL includes the absurd hashtags. Otherwise, I wouldn't know sometimes.

        1. Squirrelloid   4 years ago

          OBL is a national treasure.

  8. Fist of Etiquette   4 years ago

    Two Yale Law School students are suing administrators for allegedly retaliating against them...

    Luckily for Yale these are students of their law school?

  9. Chumby   4 years ago

    What a riot it will be if Kyle is found not guilty on all charges.

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   4 years ago

      People will be dancing* in the streets.

      *Recall that, at least in Chicago, knife-fighting is a form of dance.

      1. Brian   4 years ago

        The roof is on fire!

        1. Smack Daddy   4 years ago

          We don't need on water.... Oh shit here comes Rittenhouse.

      2. Make Democrats Extinct   4 years ago

        Hopefully KR’s example will have thousands of people armed to the teeth ready to greet the rioters.

    2. Smack Daddy   4 years ago

      Acquit stirring shit up.

      1. Kungpowderfinger   4 years ago

        LOL!

  10. Enjoy Every Sandwich   4 years ago

    MSNBC's Joy Reid totally missed the point, tweeting: "So according to right wing Twitter, it's OUTRAGEOUS for a prosecutor to point an unloaded AR-15 toward the jury to demonstrate how scary that firearm is, but totally cool for a teenager to point a loaded one at people and shoot them."

    Lectures about gun safety from someone who knows nothing about the subject...it's a provocative concept.

    1. Mickey Rat   4 years ago

      If the person is lunging at the teenager, or beating him with a skateboard or drawing a gun on him. Yes, it is totally cool.

    2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   4 years ago

      And that concept underlies the foundation of popular democracy and universal suffrage.

    3. Mother's Lament   4 years ago

      "MSNBC's Joy Reid totally missed the point"

      Accidentally on purpose.

    4. Kristian H.   4 years ago

      "MSNBC's Joy Reid totally missed the point"

      Evergreen statement of fact.

      1. creech   4 years ago

        Let's go, Joy Reid.

        1. perlhaqr   4 years ago

          Fuck Joy Reid.

          1. Don't look at me!   4 years ago

            Eww!

            1. Chumby   4 years ago

              If I reid this correctly, you’re saying there’d be no joy?

            2. perlhaqr   4 years ago

              I didn't mean personally. Her stupid might be catching.

    5. damikesc   4 years ago

      If Reid could only talk about things she actually knew about, she'd never speak.

      Hey, that is a GREAT idea.

  11. Not Robbers=Nut Rubbers   4 years ago

    The White House is trying to make it sound like Vice President Kamala Harris is loved

    Daily hair sniffing policy instituted.

    1. Chumby   4 years ago

      She is a wonderful mouthpiece for progressive ideas.

      1. Jerryskids   4 years ago

        "Progressive Ideas" is what Willie Brown calls his brown willy.

        1. Not Robbers=Nut Rubbers   4 years ago

          I thought Willie Brown called his willy "Willy, Brown"?

      2. Not Robbers=Nut Rubbers   4 years ago

        Biden's team knows she's going to blow it at some point. They're just trying to anticipate, so when it comes it's easier for her to swallow.

        1. Mother's Lament   4 years ago

          If they manage to fellaciate a compromise with those who think she sucks, her tenure won't bite the big one.

        2. Quo Usque Tandem   4 years ago

          Stop putting such images into my head.

        3. Chumby   4 years ago

          Typical Harris lip service.

          1. Don't look at me!   4 years ago

            Mind blown…

  12. JesseAz   4 years ago

    Biden and Psaki over the summer

    ‘Let’s get something straight,’ Biden replied in June during a press conference in Switzerland. ‘We know each other well. We’re not old friends. It’s just pure business.’

    And before Monday’s virtual meeting took place, Press Secretary Jenn Psaki clarified that Biden was by no means close friends with Xi, but said the leaders’ level of rapport would allow them to have ‘candid discussions.’

    Xi yesterday

    “Good to see you, Mr. President, and your colleagues,” Xi said. “It’s the first time for us to meet virtually. Although it’s not as good as a face-to-face meeting, I’m very happy to see my old friend.”

    1. Don't look at me!   4 years ago

      Did you get the thing I sent you?

      1. Kristian H.   4 years ago

        No? He should check with Hunter ...

    2. Chumby   4 years ago

      Maybe Biden’s noodle does not ramenber things correctly.

      1. Not Robbers=Nut Rubbers   4 years ago

        They're both concerned about ricing prices.

        1. Chumby   4 years ago

          A starch reminder regarding inflation.

          1. Irishman12   4 years ago

            A starch reminder regarding inflation.

            there's a grain of truth in that...

      2. Fats of Fury   4 years ago

        All them guys rook arike.

    3. Don't look at me!   4 years ago

      An hour later, he wanted to call him again.

    4. Ben of Houston   4 years ago

      Or perhaps it's just cordiality versus "I know him, but we aren't best buddies". Come on. This is, at best, nothing. You actively hurt your position by putting out such weak "evidence".

      1. JesseAz   4 years ago

        What is my position?

      2. CLM1227   4 years ago

        As weak as claiming Trump was best buds with Russia, China, and Korea over his pleasantries.

    5. Chumby   4 years ago

      Biden thinks there is a chink in Xi’s armor.

      1. Kungpowderfinger   4 years ago

        I wish I had the means to hack CNN, MSNBC, or whatever and put that on a news banner.

        You’ve exceeded all expectations Mr. Chumby

  13. OpenBordersLiberal-tarian   4 years ago

    "Why is the ACLU transforming itself into a generic progressive advocacy group that cheers for all left-wing causes, regardless of whether they align with the stated mission?"

    Because as Reason.com itself consistently demonstrates, contemporary American libertarianism and progressivism are virtually identical. It's very easy to transition from one philosophy to the other; all it takes is flipping positions on maybe one issue like the minimum wage.

    Just consider the list of Reason contributors who eventually became garden variety progressives — Will Wilkinson, Noah Berlatsky, Dave Weigel, and so on.

    1. Titus PUllo   4 years ago

      stay on target...actually target hit..Reason is as you describe

    2. Ragnarredbeard   4 years ago

      ACLU also goes in the direction of its donors. A lot of rich lefties fund them, and it drives the ACLU left.

  14. JesseAz   4 years ago

    SPB assures us only tobacco is rising from inflation. Gas is not.

    https://www.dailywire.com/news/california-gas-prices-continue-to-hit-new-records

    1. JesseAz   4 years ago

      As as SPB used articles from April to dismiss rising meat prices as being from April Texas storms, and sarc defended him, Tyson acknowledges inflation costs are to blame.

      https://www.dailywire.com/news/with-recent-price-increase-tyson-foods-successfully-passes-inflation-costs-on-to-consumers

      1. Chumby   4 years ago

        Sarc is a spittoon image of Buttplug.

        1. Mother's Lament   4 years ago

          He's also White Mike's spaniel.

    2. OpenBordersLiberal-tarian   4 years ago

      Look, he's the leading economics expert in this comment section. If he says the only "inflation" is a $0.10 per pouch increase in smokeless tobacco, I believe him.

      #InflationIsAWingnutMyth

      1. JesseAz   4 years ago

        I apologize OBL. I trust you, but not SPB. But since you vouch for him, I'll recognize his argument.

        1. Mother's Lament   4 years ago

          To be fair, that 10 cent increase seems to have hit Shrike pretty hard. It's all he ever talks about when inflation is discussed.

    3. Earth-based Human Skeptic   4 years ago

      If any state deserves $10/gallon gas prices, its California.

      1. Quo Usque Tandem   4 years ago

        You have a point. They do deserve it, good and hard.

        1. perlhaqr   4 years ago

          Unfortunately it'll hit everyone in the form of even further increased shipping costs on goods from the ports.

          1. Chumby   4 years ago

            It will fuel increased inflation.

          2. Nardz   4 years ago

            Gas prices here in Florida are up roughly 70% from 12 months ago

            1. Chumby   4 years ago

              But what about important goods such as chewin’ tobacky?

              1. Smack Daddy   4 years ago

                This administration ain't worth spit.

  15. JesseAz   4 years ago

    No news stories support this. Democrats openly lie when narratives are at risk.

    Cori Bush
    @CoriBush
    When we marched in Ferguson, white supremacists would hide behind a hill near where Michael Brown Jr. was murdered and shoot at us.

    They never faced consequences.

    If Kyle Rittenhouse gets acquitted, it tells them that even 7 years later they still can get away with it.

    1. Don't look at me!   4 years ago

      They used the same kind of guns and bullets that we’re being shot at Hillary.

      1. Mother's Lament   4 years ago

        The same ones that threatened AOC too, that dark January afternoon.

      2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   4 years ago

        And Dan Rather.

        1. Chumby   4 years ago

          Brian Williams said he was shot at twice as much as the others.

    2. Enjoy Every Sandwich   4 years ago

      The white supremacists were shooting from the grassy knoll?

      1. Chumby   4 years ago

        Using an illuminated reticle. Or as they call it, a burning crosshairs.

    3. Minadin   4 years ago

      The only shooting like this I recall from the Ferguson protests (day time activities) was some BLM marcher who decided to take shots at the line of cops from about 100 yards away and up a hill, but using a sidearm, fired wildly into the crowd.

    4. Fats of Fury   4 years ago

      Hey her name is Bush. That name is so magical the banana republicans may nominate her in 2024.

      1. Minadin   4 years ago

        She's my Rep. If she ran as a Republican, she would lose, in this district.

        The main goal behind her campaign seemed to be to get rid of Lacy Clay, who was generally regarded as an establishment democrat jerk. They didn't really put out any issues-based campaign material that I saw. They weren't worried about any Republican challengers. She won with 78.8% of the vote, with 19% going to the Republican candidate and just over 2% voting Libertarian.

        1. tracerv   4 years ago

          Man. If she was my representative, I'd have to seriously consider moving.

    5. Hank Ferrous   4 years ago

      There may have been shooting, and supremacists may have been involved, but white supremacists in that neighborhood seems unlikely.

  16. Fist of Etiquette   4 years ago

    The White House has reportedly considered the matter of whether it has the authority to actually do that without congressional approval.

    Biden's handlers are all about checks and balances, so this tells you how much they actually want to or find politically palatable pay off student loans for their zoomer/millennial constituents.

  17. Fist of Etiquette   4 years ago

    One inexplicable name on that list: the American Civil Liberties Union.

    The current iteration of the ACLU has explained its seriousness on national issues quite well.

    1. Mickey Rat   4 years ago

      Reason has fairly well documented how the ACLU has been made into just another progressive advocacy group because that is what its members want now. This is not inexplicable at all.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   4 years ago

        Principles? We don't need no stinking principles.

      2. Mother's Lament   4 years ago

        More of a DNC super-PAC than a progressive advocacy group, but they probably coordinate with them.

      3. Just Say'n   4 years ago

        Reason is basically the ACLU. Shitty on civil liberties and very pro-government when it's fashionable at the NYT

      4. Titus PUllo   4 years ago

        take a look at who dominates the ACLU these days...see who are the content managers at Big Tech, Public sector union heads, Hedge fund heads..and non profit grifter heads...the sameness is well...obvious

    2. damikesc   4 years ago

      I love the assumption that the ACLU ever really gave two shits about civil liberties. They cared about progressive values alone.

  18. JesseAz   4 years ago

    Former Obama advisor and democratic luminary praises Austrian lockdowns as necessary.

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/former-obama-cabinet-member-praises-austrias-decision-to-lock-down-unvaccinated

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   4 years ago

      Nothing says "liberal" like locking people up (for their own good).

      1. Fats of Fury   4 years ago

        “It rubs the lotion on its skin. It does this whenever it is told.”

        1. Marshal   4 years ago

          It rubs the lotion on its skin or else it gets the hose again.

          1. Kungpowderfinger   4 years ago

            “Hey, can you throw me down an Auto Trader?” - Joe Dirt

            1. Smack Daddy   4 years ago

              I thought we had a deal..

    2. Mother's Lament   4 years ago

      "The former head of the Education Department retweeted a report on Vienna’s nationwide lockdown for those who are unvaccinated who have not recently had the virus."

      Why build camps and ghettoes when you can lock them in basements? I imagine Democrats are thrilled with this possible final solution to their MAGA problem.

      1. Just Say'n   4 years ago

        Australia is doing the camps. Austria is just trying the Nazi stuff again. They'll move on to the camps, eventually

        1. Chumby   4 years ago

          Austria! Well, then. G'day mate!

      2. Moonrocks   4 years ago

        Why build camps and ghettoes when you can lock them in basements?

        Joseph Fritzl approves.

      3. Nardz   4 years ago

        We're all Anne Frank now

        1. Don't look at me!   4 years ago

          And we will never know who rats us out.

          1. Smack Daddy   4 years ago

            Adopting new "snitches get stitches" policy.

            1. Chumby   4 years ago

              Nazis get shazi

  19. Fist of Etiquette   4 years ago

    President Joe Biden has signed the infrastructure bill.

    BIPARTISAN infrastructure bill.

    1. Don't look at me!   4 years ago

      We are all in this together!

    2. Chumby   4 years ago

      Transpartisan

    3. Earth-based Human Skeptic   4 years ago

      Did Biden have a signing ceremony with all the required genders, colors, ablism, and other photogenic diversity types? That shit is much more important than bipartisan.

      1. Mother's Lament   4 years ago

        Perhaps he'll bring in the fat white guy who just happens to be the greatest female soldier ever, to watch.

      2. Don't look at me!   4 years ago

        A huge crowd of important people all jammed together, and no masks.

  20. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   4 years ago

    Binger obviously didn't intend to open fire on the courtroom, which is why his conduct was outrageous.

    Binger wants people to be afraid of guns. He couldn't have made his point any more dramatically.

    He should also face charges for brandishing.

    1. Don't look at me!   4 years ago

      Ask Alec Baldwin about pointing “unloaded” guns.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   4 years ago

        Somebody should take Binger and Baldwin hunting.

        1. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   4 years ago

          I would love to see them go hunting with Dick Cheney.

        2. Chumby   4 years ago

          I would not alect to go hunting with any of them.

          1. Smack Daddy   4 years ago

            Cheney once asked me if I would go hunting with him. I said "yeah I'm game." And he shot me.

            1. Chumby   4 years ago

              Didn’t duck?

  21. JesseAz   4 years ago

    The 1.7T "infrastructure " bill is actually closer to 5T if congress doesn't sunset provisions found in the bill.

    https://www.dailywire.com/news/bidens-1-75-trillion-social-welfare-legislation-may-cost-nearly-5-trillion-if-programs-are-made-permanent

    It also extends the child tax credit to illegal aliens even if they have no record of working.

    1. Chumby   4 years ago

      The tax credit that illegals juanted.

    2. Not Robbers=Nut Rubbers   4 years ago

      You're looking at this the wrong way. That illegal alien provision is part of Biden's plan to have a $0 cost bill. After they give every family that was separated at the border $450K per member, they won't qualify for the tax credit anymore because they'll make too much money.

  22. Fist of Etiquette   4 years ago

    The White House is trying to make it sound like Vice President Kamala Harris is loved and valued...

    Apparently in the dim lighting from Biden's basement she looked competent.

    1. Mickey Rat   4 years ago

      In other words, she got a vote of confidence.

  23. Fist of Etiquette   4 years ago

    ...pretty much everyone on the inside is deeply frustrated with her.

    Pretty much everyone on the outside, too.

    1. Don't look at me!   4 years ago

      Everyone pouring across the border thinks she is ok.

      1. Nachtwaechter Staater   4 years ago

        Well, that's a Million or so Democratic voters ...

        1. Not Robbers=Nut Rubbers   4 years ago

          A stack of mail-in ballots will be found abandoned under a bridge in Del Rio, TX.

          1. Nachtwaechter Staater   4 years ago

            Saving them so she can break 1% in the next Primary ...

          2. Fats of Fury   4 years ago

            Beto O'Rourke, who has not run through all his wife's money yet, has announced his run for Texas Governor. If he win's he'll change his name to Alpho.

  24. Fist of Etiquette   4 years ago

    Steve Bannon turned himself in to authorities on Monday after initially flouting a congressional subpoena order stemming from his potential role in the January 6 mayhem.

    If they're going to start hauling in everyone who holds contempt of this Congress, they're going to need a bigger jail.

    1. Sometimes a Great Notion   4 years ago

      All of America isn't big enough?

    2. Mother's Lament   4 years ago

      Only (R)'s, we already found out that congressional subpoenas don't apply to (D)s.

    3. Titus PUllo   4 years ago

      can't wait to haul in Eric Holder, Clinton, most the Biden admin and Bush admin as well..hell lets arrest every neocon and neolib and give them a ticket back to their homeland which for many of them is the country they are always in fear of..Russia

  25. Fist of Etiquette   4 years ago

    A Connecticut judge ruled against conspiracy theorist Alex Jones for making defamatory claims about the victims of the 2012 Sandy Hook shooting.

    Do they really want to start punishing ideological gaslighting?

    1. Don't look at me!   4 years ago

      Very much so.

    2. Chumby   4 years ago

      They were jonesing for this outcome.

      1. Smack Daddy   4 years ago

        I wish they would drink the koolade already.

    3. JesseAz   4 years ago

      The judge ruled against Alex for not providing documents. It wasn't on merits. What damages did those families actually suffer? The claims weren't even personalized as defamation laws usually require.

    4. Moonrocks   4 years ago

      Yes. They don't think it will affect the left, and they have every reason to think that considering recent history.

  26. Fist of Etiquette   4 years ago

    The Wyoming GOP no longer considers Rep. Liz Cheney (R–Wy.) to be a Republican.

    Is she holding up an expensive piece of GOP legislation?

    1. Red Rocks White Privilege   4 years ago

      This is going to be interesting, because if they've effectively kicked her out of the state GOP, what implications does that have for the 2022 primary? I suspect it won't matter because she'd still be registered as a Republican and thus eligible to run, but her chances of keeping that seat are pretty much nil now that the party has effectively frozen her out. Her only shot at this point appears to be running as an independent and hoping she gets enough Democratic crossover to put her over the top.

      I ran across an article from one of her former professors at Colorado College which revealed that she's been wanting to run for political office at least since her freshman year. She's basically the right-wing version of Robert O'Rourke--someone who came from a well-off family and had no discernable skills, but plenty of connections that could be leveraged into being a professional politician.

      The other thing about her that's telling is that, when she was trying to gain residency in Wyoming to run for office, she bought property in Jackson, which is basically the town that left-wing actors and millionaires use as a "primary residence" in order to dodge California's high taxes. Rather than settling in Casper, Pinedale, Sheridan, Cody, or even Cheyenne, she deliberately chose the shitlibbiest place in the state to buy a house.

      1. ElvisIsReal   4 years ago

        I have a little experience here. Back in '08 we had a Ron Paul Republican running for congress in WA. He refused to pledge to vote for McCain, so the party pulled all support. No invitations to events, no press, no money, nothing.

        It would be nearly impossible to win without the support of the party, and these guys went one step further and said Cheney isn't even Republican.

        1. Red Rocks White Privilege   4 years ago

          It would be nearly impossible to win without the support of the party, and these guys went one step further and said Cheney isn't even Republican.

          AOC's done as much as anyone to alienate herself to her own party, but she's protected because of her popularity with the media and because she's a Democrat.

          Cheney doesn't have that luxury due to her party affiliation and whom she's related to; the media might issue a few cluck-cluck pieces about how awful it is that those meanie Republicans are shutting her out, but in the end she's just a useful idiot for them to advance their narrative, not anyone that they actually respect.

          1. Moonrocks   4 years ago

            she's just a useful idiot for them to advance their narrative, not anyone that they actually respect.

            That applies just as much to Cortez. The only difference is that positive media coverage has the opposite effect for Cheney as it does for Cortez.

            1. Fats of Fury   4 years ago

              Flake, Amash, Kinzinger and Cheney learned the hard way. The press and the left loved what they did and loved seeing them go away. What the stupid party needs to do is either get rid of the stupids or rein them in. When your guy has 95% approval in your party you keep your feelings to yourself and you do the things you were elected to do.
              BTW Cheney can still pull this off, she has 4 people vying for her seat. If they split the vote she can get by with a measly plurality. The dems do this in Illinois all the time. That's how a hobgoblin like Lightfoot got elected mayor.

              1. R Mac   4 years ago

                “That's how a hobgoblin like Lightfoot got elected mayor.”

                That’s not really fair to hobgoblins.

          2. ElvisIsReal   4 years ago

            the media might issue a few cluck-cluck pieces about how awful it is that those meanie Republicans are shutting her out, but in the end she's just a useful idiot for them to advance their narrative, not anyone that they actually respect.
            ----------
            Just like every other R who they briefly loved because they spoke out against something or another. Justin Amash comes to mind.

            Then when those people are no longer useful, they go right back into the sexist white supremacy pile.

      2. Moonrocks   4 years ago

        her chances of keeping that seat are pretty much nil now that the party has effectively frozen her out

        I would hope it was pretty much nil even without that. The bigger takeaway for me is that the party establishment is starting to turn on the neocons, at least on the state level, either because the old establishment guard sees neocons as albatrosses or because Trump populist types are starting to take over.

        1. Brett Bellmore   4 years ago

          Helps that some of the prominent NeverTrumpers have stopped pretending to be Republicans. The party regulars are reassessing their motives for opposing Trump in light of that.

          1. Fats of Fury   4 years ago

            The GOP slugs who voted for the infrastructure bill stopped pretending to be Republicans, and that includes McConnell.

        2. Roberta   4 years ago

          This is all to the good, because Trump populist types are much more libertarian than neoconservatives are.

      3. Roberta   4 years ago

        I don't know about Colorado, but in NY the party can disenroll you, which means you'd no longer be registered in that party. The Colo. GOP vote sure looks like a disenrollment.

        1. Roberta   4 years ago

          I meant Wyo., not Colo. Those square states all look alike.

  27. Earth-based Human Skeptic   4 years ago

    Maybe its just me, but our entire adversarial legal system, and the demonstrably absurd trial by jury process, seems like an intentionally retarded way to determine culpability. Sure, lots of other ways are worse, but a buffet of shit sandwiches does not make a live worm sandwich tasty.

    1. sarcasmic   4 years ago

      but a buffet of shit sandwiches does not make a live worm sandwich tasty.

      That's why I'm not registered to vote.

      1. Don't look at me!   4 years ago

        They pull jurors from more sources than voter rolls.

        1. R Mac   4 years ago

          If sarc got called, he’d be removed from the pool of potential jurors pretty quick. You know, because of the reek of alcohol coming out his pores.

          1. Mother's Lament   4 years ago

            And all the convictions.

          2. Chumby   4 years ago

            “They sequestered all of us jurors in a $500,000 house.”

            1. Mother's Lament   4 years ago

              "That's half a million dollars"

              1. Chumby   4 years ago

                Milwaukee’s Kenosha’s Best Ice Jury House

          3. Fats of Fury   4 years ago

            And muting the judge.

    2. Agammamon   4 years ago

      Every other way that has been tried is worse. Offer up some suggestions on how to do it better.

      Otherwise it's like the idiots that want to tear down free market capitalism or constrained democracy with nothing to replace it.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   4 years ago

        Right now I would rather trust my fate to a computer program than any human jury. I have served on a couple of juries, and learned that the average juror is just as stupid as the average person. Plus the arcane legal process strongly skews information that juries see. Not that information counts for much for most people.

        1. mad.casual   4 years ago

          Right now I would rather trust my fate to a computer program than any human jury.

          # EZPZ
          if (party.alignment == "D") {
          return "Innocent";
          } else {
          return "Guilty";
          }

          1. perlhaqr   4 years ago

            ++

      2. Longtobefree   4 years ago

        "Offer up some suggestions on how to do it better."

        Return to dueling.

        1. Vulgar Madman   4 years ago

          That would get rid of most bullshit.

        2. Bubba Jones   4 years ago

          What is the allegation is ... dueling?

        3. Chumby   4 years ago

          We should aaron on the side of caution and burrden those wanting to duel with providing signed and notarized waivers.

          1. Smack Daddy   4 years ago

            We will need a new government agency to hamil a ton of waivers.

            1. mad.casual   4 years ago

              Why is it always Burr and Hamilton? Why do we Shields some people from the history of dueling and insist on Lincoln others to it?

    3. Roberta   4 years ago

      It's not just you. The legal system is the product of a path-dependent series of compromises. But it's criminal law that's especially fucked up. I'd rather have no criminal law at all for a while as they rebuild from scratch over generations than have the multiple-ways-fucked thing they call criminal justice now.

  28. Earth-based Human Skeptic   4 years ago

    "Two Yale Law School deans, along with Yale Law School's Director of Diversity, Equity & Inclusion, worked together in an attempt to blackball two students of color from job opportunities as retaliation for refusing to lie to support the University's investigation into a professor of color," according to the complaint.

    And I will guess that the deans and director are proud Democrats, given their party motto:

    Democrats, proud owners of colored people since 1828.

    1. Quo Usque Tandem   4 years ago

      Contrary to endless op eds and hysteria, it is not so much about color, gender, or other identity issues anymore. It is increasingly about right vs wrong think. And no amount of intersectionality or oppression credibility is going to overcome that.

    2. Roberta   4 years ago

      Meaning "blacklist", not "blackball".

      1. Roberta   4 years ago

        A black list is a secret boycott. A black ball is a secret veto.

        1. Longtobefree   4 years ago

          And they are no longer operating in secret; it's all right there in the open.

          1. Chumby   4 years ago

            A black eye on the system.

  29. JesseAz   4 years ago

    Steve Bannon turned himself in to authorities on Monday after initially flouting a congressional subpoena order stemming from his potential role in the January 6 mayhem.

    Again I'll stress. House rules currently require both a member of the minority party and a lawyer appointed by the minority party to be available for all depositions under committee investigations. Liz Cheney is not the ranking member of the minority party, neither is Kizinger. Pelosi declined to allow the minority party appointments and put them under her majority party committee allowance. Likewise the lawyer being used for minority party members is a democratic lawyer.

    Why Reason is being so blasé about this is astounding. Holder was not held in contempt. In fact you'd have to go back 40 years to find contempt indictments for failure to appear. Garland's DoJ is purely political.

    1. Mother's Lament   4 years ago

      "Why Reason is being so blasé about this is astounding"

      That's what Rich Uncle Charles pays them to do. Ignore the outrageous and inveigh against the incidental, while carefully never upsetting the establishment's applecart.

  30. Earth-based Human Skeptic   4 years ago

    "This news has dismayed progressives, who would like the Biden administration to permanently cancel student loan repayments, in effect canceling all that debt."

    Hey, progressives, why not push Biden to go all the way, and cancel ALL debt? That would certainly increase equity (at least the social kind), and really stimulate the economy.

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   4 years ago

      "Set aside the dubious proposition that student debt is a racial issue. Is it a civil liberties issue? Why is the ACLU transforming itself into a generic progressive advocacy group that cheers for all left-wing causes, regardless of whether they align with the stated mission?"

      As for the ACLU, I suppose they could argue that having to pay for things is a violation of (communist) fantasy land civil rights, so sure.

    2. perlhaqr   4 years ago

      That will happen the day I pay off my credit cards.

    3. Longtobefree   4 years ago

      That would be the year of Jubilee; and violate the establishment clause.

    4. John C. Randolph   4 years ago

      Hey, progressives, why not push Biden to go all the way, and cancel ALL debt?

      That will happen in the traditional way, by inflation.

      -jcr

  31. Jerryskids   4 years ago

    It's anyone's guess how the jury will rule, but liberal cable news pundits seem to be steeling themselves for an acquittal.

    Cable news pundits are praying for an acquittal. They remember well the ratings bonanza that was the last round of mostly peaceful protests. If you think cable news pundits are outrageously biased and it pisses you off, well, they've done their job. It's like Dennis Rodman said, he doesn't care if you bought a ticket to cheer him or to boo him, all he cares is that you bought a ticket.

    1. Quo Usque Tandem   4 years ago

      "Yesterday they loved me and I got paid; today they hated me and I still got paid."

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   4 years ago

        Hate pays better.

    2. damikesc   4 years ago

      Only problem is they have MASSIVE legal liabilities on an acquittal. About a year of calling the kid a white supremacist and a domestic terrorist. Biden is ALSO liable for what he said on the campaign trail about him. You'd think the Sandmann case would have served as a cautionary tale but these idiots learn nothing.

  32. Ken Shultz   4 years ago

    "This is a side issue, obviously, but perhaps Facebook should not vest official fact-checking powers in an organization that lazily gets things wrong all the time."

    Here's a short list of mainstream media stories from recent years:

    1) Brett Kavanaugh is a rapist.
    2) Trump colluded with the Russians to win in 2016.
    3) Trump said neo-Nazis were “good people.”
    4) The riots of 2020 were "mostly peaceful".
    5) Hunter Biden’s laptop was a Russian plot.
    6) Kyle Rittenhouse is a domestic terrorist.
    7) Andrew Cuomo is woke.
    8) Putin offered cash bounties to the Taliban to kill Americans.
    9) The pandemic couldn't possibly have started in a lab.
    10) The kid from Covington was a racist bigot.
    11) Vaccines won't be available in less than a year.
    12) The FBI's counter terrorism needs to crack down on parents at school board meetings.

    I bet everyone in his thread could add three whoppers to the list without anyone citing the same whopper twice.

    Why would anyone in their right mind believe what they see and hear on the news anymore?

    1. Don't look at me!   4 years ago

      Let’s expand your list, I encourage everyone to submit one

      The vaccines give 97% protection

      1. Ken Shultz   4 years ago

        13) CRT is a hoax--it doesn't exist!

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   4 years ago

          13a) But all white people really are incorrigible racists.

          1. Quo Usque Tandem   4 years ago

            13b] Even if they don't know it, and I can't produce any amount of evidence to prove it.

        2. Mother's Lament   4 years ago

          14. “Hands up, don’t shoot"
          15. MAGA madmen lynched Smollet
          16. Trump told Cohen to lie to Congress
          17. Trump just started WW3 with Iran
          18. January 6 was an insurrection
          19. Dominion systems were secure
          20. Hunter Biden is an artist
          21. Trump had a pee tape
          22. George Floyd didn't overdose
          23. Advanced coursework is racist
          24. 1619 is real history
          25. Trump caused Asian hate and the China travel ban is racist
          26. Trump and Billy Bush advocated assault

          1. JesseAz   4 years ago

            Biden evacuated 120k people.

            Aid worker was a terrorist.

            Biden is a moderate.

            Tiki Torches for Youngkin.

          2. JesseAz   4 years ago

            Ivermectin is a horse dewormer. HcQ. Other antivirals (as they now praise the new antiviral released).

            1. Smack Daddy   4 years ago

              We can spend our way out of this.

        3. Don't look at me!   4 years ago

          2 weeks to flatten the curve.

      2. Hank Ferrous   4 years ago

        Cotton masks are effective at preventing transmission of Covid.

      3. Roberta   4 years ago

        Vaping is...everything they said about it.

        1. Roberta   4 years ago

          Drug makers are who got people hooked on narcotics.

          1. Smack Daddy   4 years ago

            Penises and ginies are a social construct.

    2. Chumby   4 years ago

      White Knight states, correctly, that there was an assault fire extinguisher and has MSM cites to back this up.

      1. Ken Shultz   4 years ago

        The news media is a pathological liar, and it's hard to tell whether people who believe what they're told are being dishonest or whether they're simply gullible. Maybe some of them would be liars if they were smart enough to understand the truth, but you have to be able to understand the truth to consciously tell a lie. And some of them couldn't put two premises together to save themselves. How many times have we seen Shrike link to something--only to find it says the opposite of what he claimed?

        1. Chumby   4 years ago

          They believe what is easiest for them given their faculties, programming, peer group and emotional desired outcome.

        2. Mother's Lament   4 years ago

          "How many times have we seen Shrike link to something--only to find it says the opposite of what he claimed?"

          That always makes me laugh. Buttplug always comes across as so passionate about his narrative, but he's actually super lazy when it comes to reinforcing it.

          1. Ken Shultz   4 years ago

            He doesn't understand what he reads.

          2. Chumby   4 years ago

            Seems like he’s usually just kidding around with posts that come off as child’s play. Though occasionally they are pedontic.

            1. Aloysious   4 years ago

              ╰(*°▽°*)╯

    3. Ken Shultz   4 years ago

      "The recent brouhaha over the Facebook whistleblower who exposed internal debate at the company about the content on its platform emphasizes this. It underscores how important it is for conservatives not to be tempted down the primrose path of regulatory redress. It’s not the harm the company may be doing to teenage girls’ self-esteem that’s driving the mainstream media’s criticism; it’s the harm that the plethora of conservative news sites and commentators that dominate Facebook’s newsfeed is doing to the self-esteem of corporate media."

      ----Gerard Baker, Wall Street Journal

      https://www.wsj.com/articles/mainstream-media-misinformation-disinformation-rittenhouse-hunter-biden-inflation-cuomo-11636991841?

      The claim that conservative news sites and commentators dominate Facebook's news feed is an interesting one that I want to investigate further. As Facebook's userbase continues to gray (and Facebook's attempt at a metaverse are all about teens and twentysomethings abandoning Facebook and Instagram for TikTok and Snapchat), it makes sense that more conservative views would dominate Facebook's newsfeeds. The more sensational something is, the more it's shared on social media, and so more conservative stories should be expected to dominate a social media platform with an older audience.

      Regardless, people on the right should understand that if they're hoping a Democrat dominated government will strike a blow against Facebook on their behalf, they're nuts. Shutting down narratives on the right may be the primary objective of the Democrats coming after Facebook in the first place. And as the audience on Facebook continues to gray, they may continue to shift to the right anyway. What if the conservative social media platform you want to exist four years from now is Facebook?

    4. Sevo   4 years ago

      X) There was an insurrection in DC with the intent to overturn the election.

      1. I, Woodchipper   4 years ago

        The crowd was chanting "Lets Go Brandon!"

        1. Sevo   4 years ago

          Oh, and it was a "DEADLY" insurrection, but none of the media mention the only death was that murdered, unarmed woman.

      2. Just Say'n   4 years ago

        People being thrown in jail for misdemeanor "parading" (whatever the fuck that is). Sure haven't heard much from fake "criminal justice reporter" CJ Ciaramelli about any of that.

        Just auditioning to be the next Dave Waddle

        1. Smack Daddy   4 years ago

          Yeah, we were just standing on the sidewalk one day, and all of a sudden a marching band and some people on horses and floats started throwing out candy. We thought it was cool until the cops showed up and started cracking heads. Don't ever go parading.

          1. ravenshrike   4 years ago

            Instead it was, Some douchebags and FBI "CIs"/undercovers let us into the Capitol building and we wandered around like tourists.

    5. Earth-based Human Skeptic   4 years ago

      Nice, but a bit too much for a yard sign.

      1. Sevo   4 years ago

        Could probably pick one and get the point across, or you might do them as "Burma Shave" signs.

    6. Bill Godshall   4 years ago

      The left wing media propagandists (who deceitfully call themselves journalists) at NY Times, WaPo, LA Times, MSNBC, CNN, ABC, NBC, ABC, PBS, AP, Huffington, USA Today, Buzzfeed, Politico, owners of Facebook, Google, Twitter, Tic-Tok, etc. now pose the greatest threat to capitalism, individual freedom, fiscal responsibility, the truth and the future of America.

      Their daily lies, misinformation and fear mongering to demonize all Republicans, libertarians and everyone else who exposes their false narratives, while promoting and defending marxism, BLM, CRT, Antifa, tax hikes, increased government deficits and debt, and disinformation about climate change, energy, covid, the Mexican border crises, black on black crime, racist police, Chinese intellectual property theft, Russian collusion with Hillary Clinton's campaign, Iranian sponsorship of terrorism, etc. continue promoting and propping up Biden, Harris, Pelosi, Schumer, Sanders, AOC and other left wing Democrats.

    7. Just Say'n   4 years ago

      Careful, "Radical Individualist" (who also simps for the FBI) is going to go bananas. It's literally fascism to question known liars.

    8. Dillinger   4 years ago

      Brandon won an election.

    9. Moonrocks   4 years ago

      13) Inflation isn't happening
      14) Kabul won't fall
      15) Vaccines won't be mandatory
      0) The Adults are back in charge

      1. I, Woodchipper   4 years ago

        Not only is inflation not happening, but printing 2 trillion more dollars for the infrastructure bill will REDUCE inflation that isn't happening!

        https://news.yahoo.com/biden-claims-infrastructure-bill-reduce-215754482.html

      2. Fats of Fury   4 years ago

        0) The Adult Diapers are back in charge

        1. Chumby   4 years ago

          Depends on how you look at it.

    10. mad.casual   4 years ago

      Do running lies count?

      -Black Lives Matter
      -Believe All Women
      -A plot by a domestic terrorist group
      -The 1A of the internet
      -Kids in cages
      -US more respected internationally
      -Trans women are women

      1. Roberta   4 years ago

        You mean,

        -Trans women are women

    11. Fats of Fury   4 years ago

      And men are women if they say so.

      1. Chumby   4 years ago

        Some mtf women have the balls to claim this.

        1. Smack Daddy   4 years ago

          We must find them. Someone should start beating the bushes.

    12. JesseAz   4 years ago

      Weird.

      You could change this OP to be "what do jeff and white Mike believe" and get the same responses

    13. Mike Laursen   4 years ago

      Whopper with Cheese: Richard Hopkins' affidavit, which turned out to be written by Project Veritas.

      Double Whopper: Fraudulent ballots, on bamboo paper, were smuggled in from China: https://twitter.com/GiulioAnselmo/status/1341960116069871623?s=20

      Impossible Whopper: Sandy Hook was all faked! -- Alex Jones

      1. R Mac   4 years ago

        Caw caw!

    14. John C. Randolph   4 years ago

      #7 is correct. Cuomo is as woke as Harvey Weinstein, Joe Biden, Bill Clinton, or any other scumbag on the left.

      -jcr

  33. Jerryskids   4 years ago

    A Yale law school alumni says the diversity, equity, and inclusion bureaucracy at the campus has behaved badly.

    No! Next you'll be telling me the Committee To Torture Puppies, Strangle Kittens, and Beat Up Cripples behaved badly as well.

    1. mad.casual   4 years ago

      They only tortured/strangled black and brown kittens and puppies.

      1. Nachtwaechter Staater   4 years ago

        It's Yale.

        Yellow kitties as well.

  34. Bill Godshall   4 years ago

    "President Joe Biden has signed the infrastructure bill."

    Correction

    President Joe Biden has signed a wasteful Democrat spending bill that will further increase the federal debt and inflation.

    But of course, Reason writers and editors insist upon repeating many blatant lies by left wing media propagandists who disdain capitalism, individual freedom, balanced budgets, Trump, Republicans and the truth?

    1. Ken Shultz   4 years ago

      I'd give him credit for not calling it "bipartisan", but why give anyone credit for not doing something they're not supposed to do?

  35. Sevo   4 years ago

    Probably late to the party:

    "...assuming the gun was not loaded..."

    Rule #1 in gun handling: Assume the gun is loaded.

    1. Quo Usque Tandem   4 years ago

      #2 Don't point it at anyone or anything you do not want to kill or destroy
      #3 Keep your finger off the trigger until you are on target, and ready to kill or destroy what you are pointing the gun at

      Never mind #4, being aware of what is around and beyond your target.

      1. Sevo   4 years ago

        Plinked at squirrels with a .22 bolt action from the time I was 8 or 9; had to be careful to only shoot with populated areas at your back. Damn squirrels learned to stay on *that* side of the trees.
        No idea who told me that stuff, but it sure stuck between my ears.
        TINRS, folks.

    2. JimboJr   4 years ago

      Picture is cringe embodied.

      Show me you dont know anything about guns or gun safety by holding this gun up.

      Perfect evidence of a clueless lib

      1. John C. Randolph   4 years ago

        If I had been in that jury box, I would stand up and yell at the top of my lungs: "Get your goddamned finger off that trigger and put the weapon down, or I'm going to shove it up your ass, you brain-dead asshole. DO NOT handle a weapon when you don't know even the basics of firearms safety, you posturing imbecile."

        -jcr

    3. American Socia1ist   4 years ago

      I got high on mushrooms with my girlfriend once and then shot her (ok, it was in the leg with jeans on and she asked me to and it was with a BB gun). I fucked her after that. Is that safe?

      1. Don't look at me!   4 years ago

        Probably the most unsafe part was her having sex with you.

        1. Enjoy Every Sandwich   4 years ago

          That was why he had to drug her first.

      2. Commenter_XY   4 years ago

        No, because you're a sick pathological fuck if you actually screwed your girlfriend after shooting her in the leg. And she must not be too bright, either. I suppose I should not be surprised by that.

        1. R Mac   4 years ago

          By girlfriend he means drugged up hooker.

          1. John C. Randolph   4 years ago

            I thought he meant Kamala Harris.

            -jcr

      3. Red Rocks White Privilege   4 years ago

        I got high on mushrooms

        This is the only accurate comment in the post.

      4. Fats of Fury   4 years ago

        You shot her in the leg? Talk about deflation. pssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss.

      5. Vernon Depner   4 years ago

        I fucked her after that.

        With the BB gun?

        1. Chumby   4 years ago

          With the neighbor’s dick. He cleaned up.

  36. American Socia1ist   4 years ago

    https://apnews.com/article/steve-bannon-donald-trump-mark-meadows-congress-subpoenas-5bd5638acb5d93bd8478f57f2b177ded

    Trump ally Bannon talks tough after court appearance

    Here’s my question: how did this disheveled homeless guy afford an Epstein attorney? Types in STEVE Bannon into wikipedia oh wait… he’s not homeless. He’s a swamp creature investment banker. You’d think a guy like that would at least keep up appearances. Geesch, Steve, hit the gym man.

    1. Sevo   4 years ago

      First, pay your mortgage.
      Then, make you family proud and the world a more intelligent place: Fuck off and die, asshole.

    2. Mother's Lament   4 years ago

      If you didn't realize that Bannon began as an investment banker until now, you're an idiot. You don't become a White House strategist just wandering in off the street (although that might be preferable to Harvard alumni).

      After investment banking he became acting director of the earth science research project Biosphere 2. Under Bannon, the project shifted from researching space colonization toward the scientific study of earth's environment, pollution, and climate change.

    3. OpenBordersLiberal-tarian   4 years ago

      "He’s a swamp creature investment banker."

      I bet he's not nearly rich enough to be part of Joe Biden's base.

      #VoteDemocratToHelpBillionaires

    4. Nardz   4 years ago

      Keep sucking that oligarch dick like a good little socialist, soy

  37. sarcasmic   4 years ago

    Infamous anti-vaxxer RFK Jr. falsely claims that the COVID vaccine 'appears to be killing more people than all vaccines combined'

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10206271/Anti-vaxxer-RFK-Jr-says-COVID-vaccine-looks-killing-people-vaccines-combined.html

    Well golly, it must be true!

    1. American Socia1ist   4 years ago

      Wait… I thought it was JFK Jr. that was saying that? I got this info from greatawakening.win, which has been great fun.

      1. Mother's Lament   4 years ago

        No you didn't.

      2. Sevo   4 years ago

        Fuck off and die, asshole.

  38. Bill Godshall   4 years ago

    If Rittenhouse is acquitted (as I anticipate), and if BLM and/or other left wing activists respond by rioting in Kenosha or other cities, nationwide public support for BLM and other left wing rioters will sharply decline (including among Democrats), and GOP chances of an electoral rout next year will further increase.

    Same thing will happen if the domestic terrorist who claims to speak for BLM in NYC incites violence in the Big Apple (as he has publicly threatened in recent days).

    Just as occurred in most cities last year in anticipation of a Trump victory on election day, I strongly suspect Kenosha police and business owners are now preparing for more violent riots if/when Rittenhouse is acquitted.

    1. sarcasmic   4 years ago

      Why would BLM riot? Everyone involved was white.

      1. Mother's Lament   4 years ago

        Depends if Soros and the DNC want them to or not.
        Black has nothing to do with it.

        1. Nardz   4 years ago

          I don't see the benefit to them rioting this time, they've already achieved The Party's goals. I doubt we see the popularly expected mostly peaceful protests. Just a bunch of hate mongering about white supremacy and such.

          1. Mother's Lament   4 years ago

            They can always find something to push with a riot. Plus burning down cities always helps keep the plebs flustered and on the hop.

      2. JesseAz   4 years ago

        George Floyd’s nephew, Cortez Rice, has issued veiled threats to the jurors in the Kyle Rittenhouse case, with the support of Unicorn Riot, an antifa affiliated organization. “I ain’t even gonna name the people that I know that’s up in the Kenosha trial,” Rice said. “But it’s cameras in there. It’s definitely cameras up in there. There’s definitely people taking pictures of the juries and everything like that. We know what’s going on.” “so we need the same results, man.” said Rice in a video released today. Rice has a history of intimidating jurors and judges in prominent cases, coordinating with antifa and BLM activists.

        Ignorance is not a good trait.

      3. Mike Laursen   4 years ago

        To me, that’s one of the most notable aspects of the whole Kenosha mess. You had white liberals and white conservatives showing up to point guns at each other.

        It’s almost like it wasn’t REALLY about the police shooting a black guy. It was like it was really about a bunch of liberal and conservative extremists wanting to fight each other.

        1. sarcasmic   4 years ago

          Never thought of it that way. You might have a point.

          1. Mother's Lament   4 years ago

            Of course you never thought about it. CNN never told you that it was okay to consider it. Only when arch-prog White Mike tells you that it's okay to think about it outside the narrative, will you consider it.

            1. mad.casual   4 years ago

              He's still not thinking about it or only thinking about it within Laursen's stupid, uninformed construct.

              It's not like both sides agreed to a duel and a dumpster fire just happened to break out. Kyle wasn't there for the first night of riots and people had been saying since they tried to run the police chief out of Portland that this was going to end poorly when these people tried to agitate a community that didn't want to be agitated. Then we had the McCloskys. Even when the black guy started tearing barricades out of the edge of the CHAZ, it was pointed out that the 'leadership' of CHAZ wasn't as diverse as one would expect from a pro-diversity group. It's not like if the protests were largely black, but based in Atlanta, suddenly the whole thing makes sense (unless you're a racist). Sarc is working very, very hard to fight the facts to conform to his narrative. And, considering the outcome of a white kid dirtnapping three white scumbags, it's (not so) hard to figure out why.

      4. Cronut   4 years ago

        Check your email. The talking points went out this week:

        "If Kyle Rittenhouse was black [insert racially charged assertion. Feel free to get really creative here]"

        1. sarcasmic   4 years ago

          You're still convinced I'm a leftist? The only way someone could think that is by believing the idiots who leave turds on all my posts while ignoring what I actually say. Which makes you a moron. Just tell me you want to be one of the cool kids on mute who I never respond to. I'll be happy to grant you your wish.

          1. Mother's Lament   4 years ago

            If it looks like a duck, acts like a duck, sounds like a duck, and moves like a duck, it's a duck.

          2. sarcasmic   4 years ago

            Speaking of idiots on mute who I never respond to, there's on right now. You can be one of them. Be cool. Just ask. Alphabetroll did and now he's cool. You can be cool too.

            1. Sevo   4 years ago

              See? sarc only cares about "ideas"!
              Like the "idea" that ANYONE cares bout who he has muted! All about sarc, ain't it you lying pile of lefty shit?

            2. Don't look at me!   4 years ago

              SHOW US THE LIST!

              1. Mother's Lament   4 years ago

                ^^THIS!!^^

                We need today's rankings sarc. Don't be coy, tell us who today's most hated are. Some of us have money riding on it.

            3. Smack Daddy   4 years ago

              Can I be one too? .............. Quack!

        2. perlhaqr   4 years ago

          "If Kyle Rittenhouse was black, he'd have gotten a medal for popping 3 white guys who were rioting in a black neighborhood."

          Am I doing this right?

          1. Fats of Fury   4 years ago

            If Kyle Rittenhouse was black, and popped 3 black guys he would be the black face of white supremacy.

            1. Don't look at me!   4 years ago

              Or a slow day in Chicago.

              1. Smack Daddy   4 years ago

                HE was just warming up.

      5. Super Scary   4 years ago

        "Why would BLM riot?"

        You're asking that like there needs to be a reason.

        1. sarcasmic   4 years ago

          Usually it's because some black guy got himself killed by the police.

          Why mayo killing two whitebreads would cause unrest is beyond me.

          1. Vulgar Madman   4 years ago

            Because violent idiots need an excuse to riot.

          2. damikesc   4 years ago

            As we've seen on Twitter, plenty of progs had no idea the people killed were white.

            1. sarcasmic   4 years ago

              I don't Twatter or Facederp.

              1. Fats of Fury   4 years ago

                Your handle should be Peeking Duck.

              2. JesseAz   4 years ago

                Or educate yourself.

              3. Mother's Lament   4 years ago

                If it's not on Cato or CNN sarcasmic ain't interested.

      6. Moonrocks   4 years ago

        BLM is a white supremacist group that used the death of a black man as a pretext to burn down black neighborhoods and murder black children. Why wouldn't they take any other opportunity to do it again?

      7. mad.casual   4 years ago

        Why would BLM riot? Everyone involved was white.

        Why do you continue to insist that the narrative beginning with "Three white guys set a dumpster on fire to protest Blake's maiming." conform to your conception of normal?

        1. mad.casual   4 years ago

          Poor sarc, sifting through the ashes of a literal dumpster fire going, "Plastic? This shouldn't be here. It goes in the recycling bin! Why would people put plastic in a dumpster?"

    2. Red Rocks White Privilege   4 years ago

      If Rittenhouse is acquitted (as I anticipate), and if BLM and/or other left wing activists respond by rioting in Kenosha or other cities, nationwide public support for BLM and other left wing rioters will sharply decline (including among Democrats), and GOP chances of an electoral rout next year will further increase.

      BLM is getting rather desperate in the face of a growing backlash to their antics. You have the shithead in NYC threatening the mayor that he and his allies are going to burn it to the ground, one guy showed up at the Louden County school board meeting saying that he had "1,000 soldiers..locked and loaded" if white people didn't debase themselves before the BLM golem (my response to that would have been, "and I have 1,000 bullets--one for each of you"), and of course the psychotics on MSNBC like Joy Reid are framing the Rittenhouse trial as "whyte soopremaceee" even though it was only white people involved in the whole fracas.

      1. Illocust   4 years ago

        That doesn't sound desperate to me. That sounds like people who know there will be no consequences to their actions.

      2. sarcasmic   4 years ago

        Only 1000 rounds? You're slackin, brah.

        1. Red Rocks White Privilege   4 years ago

          No one is going to powerlevel their actual ammo supply.

          1. mad.casual   4 years ago

            Give them 3/5ths of the actual number?

            1. Smack Daddy   4 years ago

              Keep it on the down low? So, don't go to the gym and crow about it?

      3. Red Rocks White Privilege   4 years ago

        Sorry, it was in Fort Worth, not Louden.

        1. perlhaqr   4 years ago

          Wait, seriously? Loudon would be a lot safer for that sort of idiocy than Ft. Worth.

          1. Red Rocks White Privilege   4 years ago

            I think you underestimate how soft white suburbanites really are.

      4. rreally   4 years ago

        That is desperate, they're willing to burn down NYC for us. I suppose it's worth a few points.

  39. JohnZ   4 years ago

    On the subject of shootings, the prosecution should be admonished for shooting themselves in the foot continuously throughout the entire trial.
    No one could have made a worse case than this one. Talk about incompetency and stupidity, not that I don't support Rittenhouse, which I do as he took out a couple wastes of air.
    It is now in the hands of the jury and if the verdict comes back that BLM and ANTIFA doesn't like, the the town of kenosha will get burned to the ground. Liberal heads will explode and the liberal media will scream loud and long about miscarriage of justice and how rayciss America is.
    Incidentally, the three men Rittenhouse shot were white.
    Many of the rioters in kenosha were brought in across state lines.

    1. Moonrocks   4 years ago

      And to think this is still a nailbiter. Imagine if Rittenhouse were able to afford better representation through crowdfunding.

      1. damikesc   4 years ago

        He did have better representation. Robert Barnes offered to work pro bono.

      2. American Mongrel   4 years ago

        He had 2mil in crowdfunding. Almost as much as that shitsack Blake got.

        1. American Mongrel   4 years ago

          And I'll send him more

    2. mad.casual   4 years ago

      he took out a couple wastes of air

      Reduced their carbon footprint.

      1. Smack Daddy   4 years ago

        See, we care about the environment.

    3. American Mongrel   4 years ago

      It most certainly will not be burned to the ground. There were hundreds of us defender militiamen out that night and there will be again.

  40. Dillinger   4 years ago

    >>the diversity, equity, and inclusion bureaucracy at the campus has behaved badly.

    so corporations are people?

  41. Bill Godshall   4 years ago

    Longtime left wing Congresswomen Jackie Speier (D-CA) has announced that she won't run again in 2022.
    https://dailycaller.com/2021/11/16/longtime-democratic-california-rep-jackie-speier-announces-retirement/

    Looks like lots of older left wing Democrats in Congress now realize the GOP is going to regain control of the US House (and likely the Senate) next year.

    1. Red Rocks White Privilege   4 years ago

      Looks like lots of older left wing Democrats in Congress now realize the GOP is going to regain control of the US House (and likely the Senate) next year.

      That happened in the early-mid-90s, too; most of them are likely stepping away in order to get a younger version of themselves in a currently safe seat, sort of like what Diana DeGette did when Pat Schroeder stepped down in 1996.

  42. Unicorn Abattoir   4 years ago

    The Wyoming GOP no longer considers Rep. Liz Cheney (R–Wy.) to be a Republican.

    I'm pretty sure she agrees. I wouldn't be surprised if she changes party affiliation out of spite.

    1. Dillinger   4 years ago

      lol hey dad guess what happened!

    2. Bill Godshall   4 years ago

      Liz Cheney isn't going to switch parties, as she would lose the Democrat primary badly.

      I expect Cheney will run again in the 2022 GOP primary, hoping that many other Republicans (who disdain Cheney and run against her) will jump into that race and cannibalize each other, leaving Cheney the primary winner (likely with less than 30% of the vote).

      It's possible that Cheney could win next year's primary, but lose in the general election to another Republican (who runs as an Independent) or perhaps to the Libertarian Party candidate.

      1. Illocust   4 years ago

        Would she? She just had to denounce her dad and the dens will eat her up.

        1. Red Rocks White Privilege   4 years ago

          She just had to denounce her dad and the dens will eat her up.

          The only way that happens is if she comes out as a dyke like her sister.

      2. Roberta   4 years ago

        What if she's not allowed into their primary?

  43. Joe M   4 years ago

    Bafflingly, the prosecution chose to mention Rosenbaum's eccentric violent and criminal behavior, which included setting things on fire, during closing arguments.

    FIFY

  44. Brian   4 years ago

    Kyle Rittenhouse Asked To Step Outside And Defend The Courthouse While Verdict Is Being Read

    https://babylonbee.com/news/kyle-rittenhouse-asked-to-step-outside-and-defend-the-courthouse-while-verdict-is-being-read

    1. Dillinger   4 years ago

      funny. funnier if it was Binger.

      1. Brian   4 years ago

        “Witnesses claim even the prosecution team was relieved to know Kyle Rittenhouse was out there protecting them.”

        1. Dillinger   4 years ago

          lol.

    2. Illocust   4 years ago

      Got to love the bee.

      1. Sevo   4 years ago

        National Lampoon was overtaken by events; not BB so far.

        1. perlhaqr   4 years ago

          They're managing to stay a week or two ahead this far.

      2. Fats of Fury   4 years ago

        What happened to The Onion, I never see links from them anymore.

        1. Chumby   4 years ago

          Does it make you cry?

          1. Fats of Fury   4 years ago

            Bee serious.

            1. Chumby   4 years ago

              Not a lot of buzz about this.

              1. Smack Daddy   4 years ago

                This topic has many layers.

                1. Chumby   4 years ago

                  Like a Gore Vidalia novel?

        2. Hank Ferrous   4 years ago

          Went woke.

          1. Nachtwaechter Staater   4 years ago

            Went Broke.

            1. Smack Daddy   4 years ago

              Broke back better.

  45. Joe M   4 years ago

    A Connecticut judge ruled against conspiracy theorist Alex Jones for making defamatory claims about the victims of the 2012 Sandy Hook shooting.

    Good. That's probably the shittiest thing he's ever done.

    1. Don't look at me!   4 years ago

      Words should put you in jail.

      1. Joe M   4 years ago

        It's a civil case, not a criminal one.

        1. Dillinger   4 years ago

          words should put your money in jail?

          1. Joe M   4 years ago

            Maybe if you researched the case, all your questions would be answered.

            1. mad.casual   4 years ago

              Gimme the short version.

              My understanding of defamation indicates that two requirements (in the context of this case):
              1. Jones knew they weren't doing whatever he alleged they did.
              2. They've been profiting from their dead children and Jones' allegations have diminished said profit.

              I understand Jones says lots of bombastic stuff. So does Sargon of Akkad. Did Jones say something like "I wouldn't even rape you."/"How do we know all of these school shooting victims aren't crisis actors?"

              It sounds to me like he should've expected a defamation suit for what he said (and pretty much any other given sentence he says), but the odds of winning in a fair court are slim.

  46. Seamus   4 years ago

    Andrew Branca explains how the defense may have shot itself (as it were) in the foot in closing argument, because Rittenhouse's lawyer was so pissed at the prosecution's dickishness that they failed to focus on how to persuade the jury.

    1. Seamus   4 years ago

      https://legalinsurrection.com/2021/11/rittenhouse-trial-defense-delivers-a-disappointingly-weak-closing-argument/

    2. Think It Through   4 years ago

      It was a good analysis. I listened to the closings yesterday, and I immediately thought, complaining about the prosecution and their dirty approach and tricks is inside baseball. It doesn't help the jury. Time spent whining about "the other attorney" just leads to a natural reaction of "kids, stop fighting, I don't care who started it." He needed to discuss the Kenosha incidents themselves, not the legal machinations during trial prep.

  47. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   4 years ago

    "Two Yale Law School deans, along with Yale Law School's Director of Diversity, Equity & Inclusion, worked together in an attempt to blackball two students of color from job opportunities as retaliation for refusing to lie to support the University's investigation into a professor of color," according to the complaint.

    Boy this is getting to be some real through-the-looking-glass shit here.

    1. Mike Laursen   4 years ago

      Leftist idealogues tend to eat their own.

      1. Fats of Fury   4 years ago

        Is that why ChemJeff went missing. Buuuurp.

      2. Mother's Lament   4 years ago

        Look out sarc, Dee just said she's a black widow.

        1. Chumby   4 years ago

          She’ll get secondhand drunk if she eats sarc. That’s far more than beer battered onion rings or IPA cheddar.

  48. Cronut   4 years ago

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=98&v=IAEgkDXh9TE&feature=emb_logo

    New talking points are out:

    Inflation will go down once we get all 5-11 year olds vaccinated.

    1. Fats of Fury   4 years ago

      Except for SPB2.

      1. Smack Daddy   4 years ago

        Inflation will go down once we put all those who don't agree with us in super dooper happy camps.

  49. Marshal   4 years ago

    It's a shame leftists are denied their biggest proof of guilt: that Rittenhouse brought an illegal gun across state lines. It was never relevant but they sure held on to it like a pit bull on an old woman's neck.

    Oh, who are we kidding? They'll keep saying it anyway. Reality isn't a relevant factor.

    1. perlhaqr   4 years ago

      Especially since the gun itself never crossed state lines. But yeah, they'll keep repeating it anyway.

      1. Sevo   4 years ago

        "Deadly insurrection intended to overturn election": voices in proggy heads.

  50. Uomo Del Ghiaccio   4 years ago

    Assistant District Attorney Thomas Binger life was not at risk. This was simply irresponsible theatrics and he should be reprimanded and have a permanent note added to his record.

    His finger is even on the trigger which is irresponsible regardless of your opinion on the trial and it's outcome. We should expect higher standards from public officials and clearly he is not suited for the position.

  51. Kristian H.   4 years ago

    Hmm. DailyMail (why no US media?) has story that prosecution only turned over HD version of drone footage AFTER evidence had closed. Shouldn't this be a slam dunk mistrial with prejudice? https://tinyurl.com/bysmnhkw

  52. Cronut   4 years ago

    https://twitter.com/PressSec/status/1460758392004304900?t=xm7B20Ga9FQ0z3yaWunbug&s=19

    New talking point issued:

    Okay fine. There's inflation, it's bad, and it's hurting people. But it's the Republican's fault.

    1. Mother's Lament   4 years ago

      Newer, better White House talking point: "Unvaccinated children cause high inflation"
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAEgkDXh9TE&t=90s

      Buttplug hardest hit.

    2. Sevo   4 years ago

      "Trumps fault!": 10, 9, 8, 7, 6,.....

  53. Aditya   4 years ago

    They like to rope people into arguments they are unprepared for and then leave them hanging.
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  54. Think It Through   4 years ago

    "MSNBC's Joy Reid totally missed the point".

    I love the classics. Tried and true.

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  56. JohnZ   4 years ago

    The judge has , as of yesterday, issued an order banning MSNBC presence in the courtroom. MSNBC sent one of their stringers out to follow the bus taking the jurors to their homes. She was caught and told the police she was given orders by one of the producers, Irene Min Joo Byon. Miss Byon has ha since, deleted her Twitter and LinkedIn accounts.
    LOL!

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