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Reason Roundup

The Prosecution Had a Very Bad Day in the Kyle Rittenhouse Trial

Plus: Biden administration defends vaccine mandate, Bari Weiss announces the University of Austin, and more...

Robby Soave | 11.9.2021 9:34 AM

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The trial of Kyle Rittenhouse—the 17-year-old who shot and killed two men and grievously injured a third during the riots in Kenosha, Wisconsin, following the police shooting of Jacob Blake last summer—entered its second week on Monday. The prosecution called to the stand Gaige Grosskreutz, who was shot by Rittenhouse but survived.

This did not go as planned, as Grosskreutz was very effectively cross-examined by Rittenhouse's attorney, Corey Chirafisi. If anything, it seems likely that Grosskreutz's answer would tend to support Rittenhouse's contention that he acted in self-defense. Indeed, while the most anyone can do is speculate, there are good reasons to think the trial might culminate in an acquittal—a verdict that could cause a mass meltdown within the mainstream media and among Democratic politicians, who have already branded Rittenhouse a domestic terrorist.

Rittenhouse was 17 years old at the time of the shootings, and lived in Antioch, Illinois, a mile south of the Wisconsin border. On August 23, 2020, Kenosha police had shot Blake, a black man, during a confrontation with his girlfriend. Blake, who had a warrant out for his arrest on sexual assault charges, disobeyed police orders and instead walked over to his girlfriend's vehicle; police claimed they feared he was reaching for a weapon and opened fire. Blake survived the encounter, but was paralyzed.

Coming just a few weeks after the police killing of George Floyd,* the Blake incident generated mass protests and considerable violence in Kenosha, with protesters settings cars and buildings on fire. By the night of August 25, armed militia groups were patrolling the city in an attempt to stop the riots.

Rittenhouse ventured into Kenosha, armed with a medical kit and an AR-15 that had been acquired for him by a friend, since Rittenhouse was too young to buy it. His stated purpose was to defend small businesses that were under threat of arson and looting; he was eventually surrounded by protesters during a series of encounters. Video footage of the encounters showed Rittenhouse trying to move away from them, but after a warning shot was fired by another man, Rittenhouse turned back and engaged Joseph Rosenbaum, a protester who tried to grab his gun. Rittenhouse shot him four times, killing him.

Rittenhouse was then chased by protesters, tripped and fell, and was attacked by a man named Anthony Huber, who struck him with a skateboard. Rittenhouse shot and killed him as well. He then shot Grosskreutz, who was armed with a gun and moving toward him.

Rittenhouse was charged with reckless homicide, intentional homicide, and attempted homicide for the three shootings. His attorneys have argued that he acted in self-defense, and rationally feared for his life in each of the three instances.

Grosskreutz may have inadvertently made that argument more plausible for the jury. When cross-examined by the defense on Monday, he confirmed that Rittenhouse did not shoot him until after he had pointed his own handgun at Rittenhouse.

Grosskreutz admits that Kyle Rittenhouse shot and "vaporized" his bicep, only after he approached Rittenhouse while aiming a firearm at him. pic.twitter.com/zURqW2if8N

— John Curtis (@Johnmcurtis) November 8, 2021

"It wasn't until you pointed your gun at him, advanced on him…that he fired, right?" asked Chirafisi.

"Correct," Grosskreutz replied.

Many in the media have focused the case against Rittenhouse on the fact that he foolishly chose to inject himself into a chaotic situation where trouble was assured: He didn't belong there, and thus he bears responsibility for the deaths. It's perfectly fine to scrutinize Rittenhouse's rationale, and to lay moral blame for what happened at his feet. But his self-defense claim has absolutely nothing to do with any of that—it is only about whether he reasonably believed he was in danger at the moment he fired those shots. Grosskreutz's testimony gives significant credence to Rittenhouse's contention that such a belief was valid.

It's impossible to say for certain how the trial will conclude, of course. But if Rittenhouse is acquitted, it will not necessarily be because the justice system is dead, but rather, because the prosecution failed to establish beyond a reasonable doubt that Rittenhouses's actions were unreasonable at the moments they occurred.


FREE MINDS

Bari Weiss' Substack announced an interesting venture on Monday: a brand new university. Pano Kanelos, formerly the president of St. John's College, will serve as the inaugural president at the University of Austin, which was born of conversations between Weiss, Niall Ferguson, Arthur Brooks, Joe Lonsdale, and other figures who have long criticized the ideological conformity and crisis of free expression on modern college campuses.

According to Kanelos:

We count among our numbers university presidents: Robert Zimmer, Larry Summers, John Nunes, and Gordon Gee, and leading academics, such as Steven Pinker, Deirdre McCloskey, Leon Kass, Jonathan Haidt,  Glenn Loury, Joshua Katz, Vickie Sullivan, Geoffrey Stone, Bill McClay, and Tyler Cowen.

We are also joined by journalists, artists, philanthropists, researchers, and public intellectuals, including Lex Fridman, Andrew Sullivan, Rob Henderson, Caitlin Flanagan, David Mamet, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Sohrab Ahmari, Stacy Hock, Jonathan Rauch, and Nadine Strossen.

We are a dedicated crew that grows by the day. Our backgrounds and experiences are diverse; our political views differ. What unites us is a common dismay at the state of modern academia and a recognition that we can no longer wait for the cavalry. And so we must be the cavalry.

It will surely seem retro—perhaps even countercultural—in an era of massive open online courses and distance learning to build an actual school in an actual building with as few screens as possible. But sometimes there is wisdom in things that have endured.

Weiss wrote on Twitter that the university will "welcome witches who refuse to burn."

To learn more about who and what is involved, watch the video below:

https://twitter.com/uaustinorg/status/1457665510699589636


FREE MARKETS

The Biden administration defended its vaccine mandate for private employers in court on Monday, arguing that the requirement is necessary to save lives. According to Politico:

The Biden administration told a federal court Monday that a stay of its vaccinate-or-test requirement for private employers "would likely cost dozens or even hundreds of lives per day."

Responding to a temporary stay imposed by the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals on Saturday, the administration argued that the Occupational Safety and Health Administration was well within its authority to issue the requirements requiring employees at large businesses to be vaccinated against Covid-19 or tested weekly.

The states, businesses and religious groups that requested the stay aren't likely to succeed given earlier court rulings, federal law and "the considerable evidence that OSHA analyzed and discussed when issuing" the requirement, attorneys for OSHA and the Labor Department told the court.

"Nor have petitioners shown that their claimed injuries outweigh the harm of staying a Standard that will save thousands of lives and prevent hundreds of thousands of hospitalizations," the filing added.

The administration also argued there aren't grounds for "emergency" relief because the effects of the mandate won't be in place for another month.

The mandate—an ill-considered and likely unconstitutional expansion of federal authority—is slated to take effect on January 4.


QUICK HITS

• Any Democrats who are still in denial about the role that COVID-related school closures played in handing the Virginia gubernatorial election to the Republican challenger, Glenn Youngkin, ought to read this Twitter thread. Danny Barefoot, a Democratic strategist, conducted a focus group with female Virginians who voted for President Joe Biden in the 2020 presidential election and then for Youngkin last week. Their responses confirm that former Gov. Terry McAuliffe lost significant points because he rejected the right of parents to be substantially involved in their kids' education while elevating American Federation of Teachers President Randi Weingarten, the avatar of school closures.

https://twitter.com/dannybarefoot/status/1457779088093892608

https://twitter.com/dannybarefoot/status/1457779477124050946

• Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R–Ga.) recently toured the Washington, D.C., jail, and found herself drawn to the Nation of Islam due to the group's pro-ivermectin slant.

• The House committee investigating the events of January 6 has subpoenaed Michael Flynn, John Eastman, and others.

• Alec Baldwin wants police on movie sets to monitor guns.

• Green Bay Packers quarterback Aaron Rodgers says he didn't expect blowback for his vaccine stance.

Updated: George Floyd was killed by a police officer, Derek Chauvin, who kneeled on his neck for nine minutes until he died.

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  2. Fist of Etiquette   4 years ago

    The Prosecution Had a Very Bad Day in the Kyle Rittenhouse Trial

    FACEPALM

    1. Idaho Bob   4 years ago

      Literally FACEPALM.

      It was hilarious.

      1. Mike Laursen   4 years ago

        Two people dying and a third severely wounded. Yucksville.

        1. Idaho Bob   4 years ago

          The DA's facepalm reaction was hilarious.

          Now that I think about it, three lefty criminals attacking a 17 yo and getting smoked by the same 17 yo, is pretty damn funny.

          1. Mike Laursen   4 years ago

            You have removed all doubt today that you are an asshole. Muting.

            1. Patriotic Guy   4 years ago

              No, he’s spot on.

              1. Vulgar Madman   4 years ago

                He’s just sorry some of his fellow creeps weren’t able to murder someone.

                1. block30   4 years ago

                  100%..... Mike Laursen you are a scumbag

                2. Dubz   4 years ago

                  "Murder" is reserved for human victims, and I saw 3 Communists get shot.

            2. Mother's Lament   4 years ago

              Remember folks, this is the very same White Mike who was thrilled that Ashley Babbit ate a bullet, and exploits Herman Caine's cancer death for laughs.

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            3. Mike Laursen   4 years ago

              The right-wing asshole per square inch ratio in the commentariat today is off the charts.

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                Fuck off then Dee.

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              6. Dubz   4 years ago

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        2. Emmett Dalton   4 years ago

          All criminals and all leftists, like you, apparently.

        3. Jess Sain 2   4 years ago

          Aww, do you miss your PEDO felon or your girlfriend beating felon?
          Two dead felons and the third....wait for it.....DISARMED. BWUHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

    2. Don't look at me!   4 years ago

      THAT’S NOT HOW WE REHEARSED IT!

      1. block30   4 years ago

        Boom.

    3. Mickey Rat   4 years ago

      Maybe, just maybe, the "protesters" looting and committing arson and property damage are more properly described as "domestic terrorists"?

      1. Fist of Etiquette   4 years ago

        Grosskreutz may very well have not been a looter and just there to help, and armed for self defense (which I applaud), and may have mistaken Rittenhouse for an active shooter. The idiots who witnessed the Rosenbaum shooting but still yelled at everyone to stop Rittenhouse made that mistake possible. One wonders if, had Grosskreutz shot first, he would be on trial.

        1. Rev. Arthur L. Kuckland   4 years ago

          He wouldn't be. He was there with a gun for the right reasons

          1. Seamus   4 years ago

            Exactly. Right-wingers get prosecuted for things which progressive get lauded for. You heard it straight from the Rev.

            Or, as Comrade Lenin would say: кто кого?

          2. Nick Gillespie's Jacket   4 years ago

            Holy Guacamole! I didn’t notice that you’re name is a take on the real Rev. ALK, so I just did a massive double take after reading your comment and trying to square it in my mind with ALK’s usual commentary, lol.

        2. JesseAz   4 years ago

          He admitted he saw Kyle not shoot for people who backed away, 0nly those who attacked him. And his impulse was to raise his pistol.

          Plus the comments to his friends in the hospital.

        3. Idaho Bob   4 years ago

          No. If Grosskreutz had fired first, he would've stopped an active right wing shooter with an AR-15 *gasp* and saved countless lives. - CNN, MSNBC, ABC, ad nauseum.

          1. Chumby   4 years ago

            That Assault Rifle (AR) can shoot hundreds of rounds from the clip with a single yank of the trigger.

            1. Patriotic Guy   4 years ago

              It’s the most powerful killing machine in existence!

              1. Granite   4 years ago

                Actually that would covid. Covid was the answer we were looking for.

                Did you have fun though?

                1. Patriotic Guy   4 years ago

                  Ok, so an assault rifle with COVID tipped ammunition .

              2. Nachtwaechter Staater   4 years ago

                ONLY if it has The Shoulder Thing That Goes Up (TM)

        4. JesseAz   4 years ago

          He also isn't on trial despite an admitted illegal concealed weapon.

          1. mad.casual   4 years ago

            He also isn't on trial...

            For the attempted shooting, anyway:

            Gaige Grosskreutz Finally Charged With Second DWI – Almost 4 Months After Arrest

            Just two months after being shot after trying to kill 17 year old Kyle Rittenhouse, Gaige Grosskreutz was driving at almost 3 times the legal limit. This is according to police and Milwaukee prosecutors.

            1. Red Rocks White Privilege   4 years ago

              Just two months after being shot after trying to kill 17 year old Kyle Rittenhouse

              LOL, based local newspaper.

            2. Demosthenes666   4 years ago

              The DA dropped the DWI charges a week or two ago. I assume they didn't want their star witness to be in an orange jumpsuit while testifying.

              Confirmed by reading Grosskreutz' twitter feed, which is entertaining because it seems neither his attorney nor the DA told him to stop tweeting.
              https://twitter.com/dawnpatrolmke/with_replies

              1. block30   4 years ago

                That's absolutely disgusting (charges being dropped)

        5. Gaear Grimsrud   4 years ago

          What Grosskreutz or anybody else thought about Rittenhouse is irrelevant to the case. The only thing that matters is did Rittenhouse reasonably believe that his life was in danger when he pulled the trigger. All of the evidence presented to date, including the state's witnesses, proves that he acted in self defense. If the prosecution attempts to use the "active shooter" theory the defense will certainly object on the grounds that the theory is not compatible with the WI statute. legalinsurrection spells it all out.

          1. Zeb   4 years ago

            And (though I don't think it applies in this case) it is quite possible for both parties in such a situation to have a legitimate claim of self defense if it's not clear who the aggressor is or it's one person's word against another's.

            1. Granite   4 years ago

              And we can just take both their words for it - everyone agrees rittenhouse was defending himself - even grosskreutz.

            2. kcuch   4 years ago

              not clear who the aggressor is

              chasing Kyle for 4 blocks makes it crystal clear

              1. Zeb   4 years ago

                I agree in this case. I was addressing the general case of self defense claims. The point is that it is irrelevant if the person who ended up shot also believed he was acting in self-defense.

            3. Dubz   4 years ago

              In a Stand Your Ground state, sure. But not in a Duty To Retreat state like Wisconsin.

        6. Jess Sain 2   4 years ago

          Three felon scumbags, the only tragedy is one escaped the dirtnap.

    4. Commenter_XY   4 years ago

      The homicide portion of the case is over. That could turn into a directed verdict.

      The gun charges? Rittenhouse is fucked; the jury will want to tag him with 'something'.

      1. Chumby   4 years ago

        Maybe it will decided in the judge’s chamber.

        1. Don't look at me!   4 years ago

          He could get fired for that.

          1. Chumby   4 years ago

            At least bent over the barrel. Especially if folks were triggered.

            1. Dillinger   4 years ago

              Bang the Judge slowly.

              1. Don't look at me!   4 years ago

                “Here cum da judge”

                1. Chumby   4 years ago

                  They may want to take a powder afterwards.

        2. CE   4 years ago

          Depends on the caliber of his attorney.

      2. JesseAz   4 years ago

        You can open carry long guns in Wisconsin as a 17 year old. He didnt buy the gun. That is on one of the witnesses not Kyle.

        The charge to watch out for is reckless endangerment which would be bullshit.

        1. Nardz   4 years ago

          If he's convicted of anything, the justice system is dead.
          Of course, the justice system IS dead, so who knows what the verdict will be.

          1. JesseAz   4 years ago

            Not per Robbie. You can only think it died if he is found innocent. See the last paragraph.

            1. mad.casual   4 years ago

              Yeah, that blew my mind. Catering to the cocktail crowd who can't fathom the (extremely fascist) implications of either being found guilty of "showing up to a location of likely unrest", "defending yourself amidst civil unrest", or both.

              The only conception I can come up with for 'Justice' in such context essentially defends peoples' right to set shit on fire and attack anyone who tries to stop them.

              1. Gaear Grimsrud   4 years ago

                I happen to think this boy was a fool to go to WI and no way would I let my 17 year old son do it. But my opinion, and Robbie's opinion are completely irrelevant. He's not charged with being a fool. He's being charged with murder and he's obviously not guilty of anything he's charged with.

                1. mad.casual   4 years ago

                  I happen to think this boy was a fool to go to WI and no way would I let my 17 year old son do it.

                  Assessment: Your son is a virgin and will be until he's 30 or he's not and you don't know.

                  It's <20 min. away. Are you checking the GPS coordinates on your 17-yr.-old's tracker every 20 min.? Phoning them up every 20 min. to ensure that when they say they're going to the library, it doesn't sound like there's a riot going on in the background?

                  He was a fool for going. In less than a year, he would've been a fool for going down to the recruiting office and signing up to get paid to do what he did and there's nothing you could do to stop him. I blame his parents for not yet putting out a training video.

                  1. Nardz   4 years ago

                    In reality, we're all fools for not doing as much as Kyle.
                    The totalitarian left will not stop until it is stopped by the rest of us.

                    1. Emmett Dalton   4 years ago

                      +1

                      Kyle showed great restraint and discipline in all the video I have watched. If I was in his position I likely would have shot more than 3 leftist felons that night.

            2. Overt   4 years ago

              "You can only think it died if he is found innocent."

              I didn't get this at all. The last paragraph is a response to the prior one. In the prior paragraph, he notes all the usual lefties complaining that if Rittenhouse gets acquitted, then the justice system is dead. He is not agreeing or disagreeing with the idea that the justice system is dead- he is just saying that if he is acquitted it very well be because the prosecution are acting like keystone cops.

              1. RabbitHead   4 years ago

                As opposed to being acquitted because the facts don't support conviction? The implication is that he SHOULD be found guilty because it supports a narrative and that failure to obtain that verdict is due to incompetence.

                1. Nardz   4 years ago

                  ^
                  Kyle did nothing wrong.

                2. Overt   4 years ago

                  Respectfully, I disagree.

                  Soave is specifically addressing the people who say that Rittenhouse shouldn't have been there in the first place, carrying a gun. And those people are the ones arguing it is a travesty of justice if he is acquitted. Soave is addressing that argument directly- that whether or not you think he should have been there in the first place, is immaterial to the justice system. The question is whether the prosecution can prove that he didn't have a reasonable fear for his life when he pulled the trigger.

                  No liberal is going to agree that Rittenhouse had the right to be there with a gun (though he did). And most liberals are not going to agree that Rittenhouse felt he had no option but to shoot these people attacking him. Soave's very narrow point is that you don't have to agree on these points and still accept that the prosecution is doing a terrible job proving those points necessary for conviction.

              2. JesseAz   4 years ago

                You are being far too kind. We have video evidence in this case. Virtually every self defense lawyer in the country agrees this should never have gone to trial. And robbie chose the other direction to pontificate due process dying.

                This isn't the questionable Floyd death.

            3. Zeb   4 years ago

              Huh. Up until that I was ready to congratualte Robby for the good wirteup. That's an odd way to put things.
              If the system is broken he'll get convicted for political reasons. If not, the jury will judge based on the facts which seem to point very strongly to self defense.
              I watched some video of the incident again last night. His restraint and control was just amazing.

              1. JesseAz   4 years ago

                The prosecution witness even admits that Kyle doesn't fire on two retreating people after they initially advanced. He had amazing fire control.

                1. Zeb   4 years ago

                  Yeah, one in the situation, I don't see what he possibly could have done better.

              2. Emmett Dalton   4 years ago

                +1

          2. Earth Skeptic   4 years ago

            Yup, no more justice since we got Justice! (TM)

          3. Muzzled Woodchipper   4 years ago

            One could argue that he’s guilty of weapons charges of one flavor or another.

            The article states he had a friend buy an AR-15 for him.

            That’s a straw purchase, and illegal as all hell.

      3. Bubba Jones   4 years ago

        He's only guilty of one gun charge

        POSSESSION OF A DANGEROUS WEAPON BY A PERSON UNDER 18

        Rittenhouse was armed with an AR-style semiautomatic rifle. He was 17 years old on the night of the shootings. Wisconsin law prohibits minors from possessing firearms except for hunting.

        The charge is a misdemeanor punishable by up to nine months behind bars.
        https://apnews.com/article/kyle-rittenhouse-police-shootings-wisconsin-kenosha-3febaa501c57a6b54e168353fe0b2a26
        https://docs.legis.wisconsin.gov/statutes/statutes/948/60

        1. Bubba Jones   4 years ago

          I take that back. The law then clarifies that possession is prohibited only if it's a short barreled rifle or if they are violating some hunting provisions.

          So he's not even guilty of that.

          1. Gaear Grimsrud   4 years ago

            The judge may still dismiss the gun charge or essentially do so in the jury instructions according to what I've read.

          2. Mike Laursen   4 years ago

            I’ve heard the ridiculous argument before (mostly from JesseAz) that he wasn’t breaking any gun possession laws because of the hunting exception. He was very clearly not on a hunting trip that night.

            1. Vulgar Madman   4 years ago

              The guys he shot were.

            2. Zeb   4 years ago

              That's not what Bubba is claiming. He is saying that it is legal as long as he isn't violating certain hunting provisions.
              And that appears to be correct. The relevant paragraph in the law:
              (c) This section applies only to a person under 18 years of age who possesses or is armed with a rifle or a shotgun if the person is in violation of s. 941.28 or is not in compliance with ss. 29.304 and 29.593.
              The sections referred to are about restrictions on short barreled rifles or shotguns and some hunting related rules. So by my reading, it's not a crime if it's not a short barreled rifle and he's not hunting and also breaking the hunting rules.

            3. WuzYoungOnceToo   4 years ago

              I’ve heard the ridiculous argument before (mostly from JesseAz) that he wasn’t breaking any gun possession laws because of the hunting exception. He was very clearly not on a hunting trip that night.

              And it is precisely the fact that he wasn't hunting that creates the exception.

              I don't suppose it ever occurred to you to actually read the statutes in question rather than just rushing to make stupid, ill-informed comments? No, of course it didn't.

              1. Emmett Dalton   4 years ago

                Consider the source. He wants to twist facts to suit his feelings on the matter.

      4. Seamus   4 years ago

        Yeah, Rittenhouse is fucked on the gun charges, while Grosskreutz walked on his (or to be more precise, was never charged).

      5. Gandydancer   4 years ago

        Not clear how Rittenhouse can be found guilty when the statute he was charged under says in so many words that the term "dangerous weapon" in the statute applies to nunchaku but long guns are exempt.

  3. Fist of Etiquette   4 years ago

    ...a verdict that could cause a mass meltdown within the mainstream media and among Democratic politicians, who have already branded Rittenhouse a domestic terrorist.

    The problem with a predetermined verdict.

    1. Earth Skeptic   4 years ago

      More like the problem with a righteous ideology pursued with religious fervor (and ignorance). "Verdict" implies consideration and uncertain outcome.

    2. CE   4 years ago

      I'm sure the mainstream media are waiting for the facts of the case to be tried in public court, and will report objectively on the outcome, and that they trust in the American justice system. They want to maintain their objectivity and credibility, don't they?

      1. Fats of Fury   4 years ago

        Search Gaige Grosskreutz for their coverage. An example from CBS Chicago

        Gaige Grosskreutz, Sole Survivor Of Kyle Rittenhouse Shootings, Takes The Stand, Tells Jury He Thought ‘I Was Going To Die’

        The media is the enemy of the people. Public enemy #1

        1. Chumby   4 years ago

          They don’t have BS in their name for nothing.

        2. Nardz   4 years ago

          The media is an existential threat to us all, and all our loved ones.
          This is not hyperbole.

        3. Gandydancer   4 years ago

          "Sole survivor"? Like the account in this article, they've apparently forgotten the fourth guy, who took a flying kick at Rittenhouse's head. KR fired at him, but missed. Then Huber attacked with his skateboard and KR didn't miss.

  4. Chumby   4 years ago

    They still gunning for a conviction? Sounds like yesterday they misfired. Guess they will reload and try again today.

    1. Don't look at me!   4 years ago

      They shot their wad.

      1. Commenter_XY   4 years ago

        Their case was shot to shit yesterday on the witness stand.

        1. Don't look at me!   4 years ago

          Not sure I take much stock in this story. I didn’t see the clip. Just give me the bullet points. I need to understand the scope of the situation.

          1. Cronut   4 years ago

            Short answer: the defense blew a hole in the prosecution's case yesterday.

            1. Vulgar Madman   4 years ago

              You could even say they disarmed it.

              1. Á àß äẞç ãþÇđ âÞ¢Đæ ǎB€Ðëf ảhf   4 years ago

                Vaporized it!

              2. Lord of Strazele   4 years ago

                Commenter_XY

                November.9.2021 at 10:52 am

                Flag Comment  Mute User 

                Sleep it off, Sullum. The adults are discussing Kenosha.

              3. Emmett Dalton   4 years ago

                Clearly, they were aiming for a better performance from the disarmed Grosskunt.

    2. Cyto   4 years ago

      The roundup blurb hints at the prosecution strategy.

      Barnes Law said that their test juries showed that about 1/3 of jurors in the available pool were liberals who were already convinced of guilt and who - importantly - would not change their mind at all after being presented with the facts of the case.

      He argued that this case was about Jury selection from day 1.

      So his theory is that the prosecution is targeting these jurors. They are the ones who believe "he never should have been there". They find this to be the determining factor and for them "self defense" does not rate at all... Because he never should have been there.

      1. Don't look at me!   4 years ago

        Only certified rioters should have been there.

        1. R Mac   4 years ago

          I forget which one of our resident lefty morons said he shouldn’t have been there because he wasn’t invited by Antifa?

          1. Red Rocks White Privilege   4 years ago

            That was Nelson.

            1. Chumby   4 years ago

              “Ha ha”

          2. Patriotic Guy   4 years ago

            Tony said it too.

        2. Patriotic Guy   4 years ago

          Tony literally said that recently. That KR was at a protest he ‘wasn’t invited to’. Whatever the fuck that means.

      2. Red Rocks White Privilege   4 years ago

        The write-up left out the best part--his buddy Marshall, who was in court yesterday, yeeted right the fuck out of there when his social media post about Grosskreutz supposedly claiming he wished he had shot Kyle came up. There's a subpeona out for him right now, and I believe he's supposed to testify on Wednesday.

        It's going to be fucking hilarious if he doesn't show back up in court.

        1. RabbitHead   4 years ago

          To be fair, I'd probably say the same thing, if I had just been maimed. In the moment, he lacks the understanding to appreciate that if goes back a little further, the events that lead to the maiming were under his control .

          He's just, "That guy shot me. I wish I shot him first." Understandable.

          1. Mike Laursen   4 years ago

            So, if he though there was an active shooter, i.e. a serial murderer, he was wrong for trying to stop him? Seems like it was a proper, heroic thing to do if that is what he thought was going on.

            1. Nardz   4 years ago

              ^If anybody still had any doubt that Mike Laursen is a totalitarian leftist.

              1. R Mac   4 years ago

                Nobody has any doubt.

                1. Emmett Dalton   4 years ago

                  No doubts at all

                  1. rbike   4 years ago

                    None.

              2. block30   4 years ago

                That's rather polite language for what Mike ought to be described as. Mighty kind of you, Nardz.

            2. Hugo S. Cunningham   4 years ago

              More like, suppose 3 bank robbers go into a bank lobby. If robber A is attacked by a civilian customer, would robber B be a hero for protecting his fellow robbers from attack?

              1. Chumby   4 years ago

                What color is the customer and what color(s) the robbers?

            3. Uilleam   4 years ago

              Holy shit man. As often as you gaslight on here, I'm still surprised to see you out yourself so badly. Just curious if you think the destruction of lives and property by the rioters is heroic as well?

            4. Zeb   4 years ago

              Perhaps. I'm not sure if that is valid in this case, but sure. If that's what he genuinely believed, then he was doing something good (or intending to). But even if that is what he believed, Rittenhouse, who was not on a murder spree, but clearly defending himself against armed attackers (as far as I have seen, and as admitted by the witness) also accurately believed that he was being attacked with lethal weapons and needed to defend himself to stay alive and avoid serious injury.
              As I said above, it is quite possible for both parties in an encounter like this to have a valid self defense claim since no one has perfect information on the intentions of others.

            5. JesseAz   4 years ago

              Do serial murderers often retreat in the direction of a police line with lights flashing?

              1. Emmett Dalton   4 years ago

                Never, of course.

                Rittenhouse was heading for the police immediately after Richie McGinness told him to "get help" while attempting to render first aid to the pedo, Rossenbaum.

                That's when the leftist wokesters started chasing Rittenhouse, preventing him from reaching the emergency vehicles up the street and resulting in a few more rounds finding a mark.

            6. Tameika Fedorchak   4 years ago

              Of course, he'd still be nowhere near the heroic heights achieved by the pussy faggot cop who hid like a pathetic coward behind a book case and then leapt out to shoot an obviously unarmed woman with both of her hands on the sides of a window frame in the face while there was a 4-man SWAT team standing 10 feet behind her with M4 rifles trained on her back.

              1. Gandydancer   4 years ago

                Umm... Babbitt was shot in the neck, not in the face. And the SWAT guys had gone down the stairs. Babbitt was murdered, but getting things wrong doesn't help your credibility when saying so.

            7. Jess Sain 2   4 years ago

              Mike, you are absolutely brain dead so if you're ever in the same situation as your scummy dead felon bro's, if you have to take one, take it to the head as it will only be a flesh wound.

          2. Red Rocks White Privilege   4 years ago

            He's just, "That guy shot me. I wish I shot him first." Understandable.

            Sure, but the problem is that his buddy was chest-thumping about it on social media as if Grosskreutz was some Billy Badass, instead of a drug-addled alcoholic assclown who got his shit pushed in by some chubby 17-year-old. The statement lines up perfectly with Grosskreutz's feigned surrender.

            1. Emmett Dalton   4 years ago

              Bingo - the only crime here is that Rittenhouse lost a year in jail waiting for a trial to be acquitted.

              1. Tameika Fedorchak   4 years ago

                He's not going to be acquitted. This is Chauvin 2 Electric Boogaloo. And if he and his braindead parents weren't such cop-sucking retards they would have gotten him out of the country about 15 minutes after he made bail (or never let him turn himself in in the first place).

                1. Emmett Dalton   4 years ago

                  Well then you'd better get your mostly peaceful riot supplies ready because you're in for a rude surprise.

    3. JWatts   4 years ago

      "They still gunning for a conviction? Sounds like yesterday they misfired. Guess they will reload and try again today."

      No, they got ready last week, fired yesterday and aimed today. I'm not sure they have time to do it again.

  5. Don't look at me!   4 years ago

    "It wasn't until you pointed your gun at him, advanced on him…that he fired, right?" asked Chirafisi.
    "Correct," Grosskreutz replied.

    M4E hardest hit.

    1. Chumby   4 years ago

      That has “not guilty” ritten all over it.

      1. R Mac   4 years ago

        You can take that to the house.

        1. ElvisIsReal   4 years ago

          C-C-C-C-C-COMBO!

  6. Idaho Bob   4 years ago

    "Grosskreutz admits that Kyle Rittenhouse shot and “vaporized” his bicep, only after he approached Rittenhouse while aiming a firearm at him."

    AKA - Grosskreutz admits to assault with a deadly weapon. Why isn't he on trial?

    1. Don't look at me!   4 years ago

      It’s not like he could muscle his way out of it.

      1. Cronut   4 years ago

        The DA could strong arm him

    2. Commenter_XY   4 years ago

      I see perjury charges for Grosskreutz in the future.

      1. R Mac   4 years ago

        That’s not how this works.

      2. JesseAz   4 years ago

        Not with that DAs office. Would have to request an independent prosecutor.

        1. Idaho Bob   4 years ago

          Why request another prosecutor? He admitted to assault under oath.

          1. R Mac   4 years ago

            Same reason Rittenhouse WAS charged. Partisan progressives have corrupted the judiciary.

          2. JesseAz   4 years ago

            The DA was shown in court to collude with a young detective to even get this to trial.

            1. jimc5499   4 years ago

              The funny part is that the DA, the Detective and the Mayor are related.

              1. R Mac   4 years ago

                Funny-funny, not haha-funny.

              2. Mother's Lament   4 years ago

                And yet nobody at the Wisconsin Department of Justice seems to give a fuck.

                1. Chumby   4 years ago

                  Sounds cheesy this is allowed.

                2. Emmett Dalton   4 years ago

                  Wisconsin, Madison in particular, is the California of the midwest.

            2. Red Rocks White Privilege   4 years ago

              Are you referring to the part where he told the detective NOT to get a warrant to collect evidence?

              1. JesseAz   4 years ago

                Worse. He had a warrant and didn't execute it.

      3. Gandydancer   4 years ago

        What "perjury"?

        The problem for the prosecution is that Grosskreutz coun't lie about what was on tape.

        How they didn't forsee this is hard to understand.

    3. damikesc   4 years ago

      He's also admitted to lying under oath and lying to investigators in regards to this.

      Also, given that the FBI withheld evidence to the defense here...GOP needs to run on ending the FBI.

      1. Gandydancer   4 years ago

        Link?

        1. damikesc   4 years ago

          https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/kyle-rittenhouse-defense-questions-whether-fbi-is-withholding-crucial-aerial-surveillance-video/ar-AAQgVWU?ocid=uxbndlbing

    4. Mike Laursen   4 years ago

      Because he though he was stopping an active shooter.

      1. Idaho Bob   4 years ago

        No he didn't. He chased Kyle almost to the police line. Active shooters kill randomly, Kyle only shot when attacked. This includes Grosskreutz.

      2. R Mac   4 years ago

        Liar.

      3. Uilleam   4 years ago

        Nobody is buying your bullshit. Go sell it somewhere else.

      4. JesseAz   4 years ago

        Only Mike and the left think someone running towards the police and not shooting anybody is an active shooter.

        1. Tameika Fedorchak   4 years ago

          These are the same psychopathic cunts who delighted at a cowardly piece of shit cop hiding like a pussy behind a book case, then leaping out to shoot an unarmed woman with both of her hands visibly grasping the side of a window frame in the face despite a 4-man SWAT team with M4 rifles standing less than 10 feet behind her.

          1. Nachtwaechter Staater   4 years ago

            You can say that again.

  7. Fist of Etiquette   4 years ago

    Rittenhouse ventured into Kenosha, armed with a medical kit and an AR-15...

    In this respect, the only difference between Rittenhouse and Grosskreutz is level of firepower.

    1. Rev. Arthur L. Kuckland   4 years ago

      And speed

      1. R Mac   4 years ago

        And probably some actual training.

        1. Gandydancer   4 years ago

          And the fact that Grosskreutz was advancing on Rittenhouse and not vice versa.

    2. damikesc   4 years ago

      And a desire to actually help some people.

      1. Earth Skeptic   4 years ago

        Or at least prevent destruction.

        1. damikesc   4 years ago

          That is the ignored part.

          What caused the mob to go after Kyle? He pushed a burning dumpster away from a gas station. THAT was his "crime" in their eyes.

          Also nice to see the only minority involved in this entire case called a white supremacist and all.

  8. Rev. Arthur L. Kuckland   4 years ago

    The House committee investigating the events of January 6 has subpoenaed Michael Flynn, John Eastman, and others

    The house show trial continues

    1. JesseAz   4 years ago

      With no criticism from reason.

      1. Rev. Arthur L. Kirkland   4 years ago

        Let's hope they ignore the subpoenas and inhabit jail cells until the conclusion of this Congress.

        Then the next Congress can subpoena the losers anew!

        1. Earth Skeptic   4 years ago

          Carry on, comrade.

        2. RabbitHead   4 years ago

          It has to be a troll. No one can shamelessly represent themselves and their arguments with nothing but perversion, threats of violence, and gleeful subjugation of others, with any real motive beyond shit-stirring.

          Unless they're psychotic.

          1. Tameika Fedorchak   4 years ago

            It's a sock for one of our more retarded leftist trolls. Most likely sarcasmic, given how similar Artie is to KillAllRednecks, sarcasmic's other known, outed sockpuppet.

    2. Minadin   4 years ago

      Honestly, what connection could Michael Flynn possibly have with anything that happened / didn't happen on January 6th?

      1. R Mac   4 years ago

        Orange Man Bad.

      2. Seamus   4 years ago

        The same connection that Ernst Torgler, Georgi Dimitrov, Blagoi Popov, and Vasil Tanev had with the Reichstag fire.

      3. Gaear Grimsrud   4 years ago

        Meanwhile
        https://www.newsweek.com/silent-coup-against-donald-trump-emerged-super-secure-meeting-room-1647132
        The word "coup" may evoke some sunglasses-wearing general standing at a podium announcing that the military has deposed the civilian leadership for the good of the country. But circumventing and even ignoring the commander-in-chief and the chief executive, as the nation's most powerful security officials did, was a coup nonetheless.

    3. Brian   4 years ago

      The FBI already said there’s no evidence of planning or coordination for Jan 6, and that there’s no evidence Trump or Republicans led it.

      So naturally, the witch hunt must continue to fire up their base for elections. They’re at war, you know.

      1. JesseAz   4 years ago

        At least sqrsly/sarc is all for it.

      2. Mike Laursen   4 years ago

        It was quite openly led, quite publicly.

        1. Brian   4 years ago

          Not according to the FBI.

          1. Mike Laursen   4 years ago

            Nope. They were investigating a different question.

            1. Brian   4 years ago

              Cite?

              1. Brian   4 years ago

                Here’s mine:

                https://www.reuters.com/world/us/exclusive-fbi-finds-scant-evidence-us-capitol-attack-was-coordinated-sources-2021-08-20/

                “In public comments last month to the Democratic-led congressional committee formed to investigate the violence, police officers injured in the mayhem urged lawmakers to determine whether Trump helped instigate it. Some Democrats have said they want him to testify.

                But the FBI has so far found no evidence that he or people directly around him were involved in organizing the violence, according to the four current and former law enforcement officials.”

                So, do you have a cite where Trump led the riot at the capitol?

                Pro-tip: giving a speech to pressure lawmakers doesn’t count.

                It must seem a mystery to you that the Biden DOJ doesn’t arrest Trump for leading a riot to take over the government.

                1. Chumby   4 years ago

                  Would a White Mike feelingz post count as a cite?

                2. Mike Laursen   4 years ago

                  "giving a speech to pressure lawmakers doesn’t count."

                  It does, too. Especially in the context that I described below.

                  1. Tameika Fedorchak   4 years ago

                    And yet Democrats threatening Facebook and Twitter unless they censor information disfavorable to Democrats is just free speech. It's almost like you're an incredibly stupid, lying, fat, ugly piece of shit.

              2. Mike Laursen   4 years ago

                You need a cite for the fact that Trump's close associates scheduled a rally, with his approval, to be located just down the street from the Capitol building on the day that the electoral college vote was being certified? You need a cite for the fact that Trump riled up the crowd, told them to fight like hell or they wouldn't have a country left, then told them to march up the street? You need a cite that Trump was pressuring Pence to reject the electoral vote, and publicly called him a coward.

                No investigation was needed on those facts. They were done right out in the open.

                1. Tameika Fedorchak   4 years ago

                  ou need a cite for the fact that Trump riled up the crowd, told them to fight like hell or they wouldn't have a country left, then told them to march up the street?

                  Sure do. Provide it or shut your faggot cocksucker. Protip: You can't, because Trump did no such thing, told all of his supporters to leave in peace, and the FBI-orchestrated break-in at the capitol was already underway for 20 minutes before his speech ended.

                2. Brian   4 years ago

                  I want a cite that Trump violated a federal law by leading an insurrection or something. Something that Trump would go jail for.

                  So far democrats can’t find jack, but they keep telling their base otherwise.

                  They keep telling their base that Trump and the Republican party organized a violent takeover of
                  the government, but only as a whine for votes. I’m saying put or shut up: arrest someone for inciting an insurrection, or stop pretending this is more than a protest they got out of hand. Because no one is getting arrested for anything as serious as democrats are claiming happened.

                  But you are correct: a rally was planned.

            2. Patriotic Guy   4 years ago

              No, they weren’t.

  9. Fist of Etiquette   4 years ago

    Rittenhouse was charged with reckless homicide, intentional homicide, and attempted homicide for the three shootings. His attorneys have argued that he acted in self-defense, and rationally feared for his life in each of the three instances.

    Prosecutors have argued that they have a mob of peaceful protestors to appease.

  10. OpenBordersLiberal-tarian   4 years ago

    "Coming just a few weeks after the police shooting of George Floyd, the Blake incident generated mass protests and considerable violence in Kenosha, with protesters settings cars and buildings on fire."

    Remember, our #BLM and #Antifa allies are always well-behaved. If anything was set on fire, it must have been rightwing infiltrators doing it. Proud Boys, probably.

    #FieryButMostlyPeaceful

    1. Think It Through   4 years ago

      I know people who have stated those words without parody or sarcasm.

      1. Earth Skeptic   4 years ago

        Some of them are in the Biden administration.

    2. Kazinski   4 years ago

      You’d think Robby would get the facts right on Blake:
      “Blake, who had a warrant out for his arrest on sexual assault charges, disobeyed police orders and instead walked over to his girlfriend's vehicle; police claimed they feared he was reaching for a weapon and opened fire.”

      Blake had a knife in his hand when he was shot. It’s on video and he admitted it. An armed man wanted for sexual assault was getting into a car with children in it.

      If he didn’t have the knife in his hand they probably would have grabbed him thrown him on the ground and subdued him when he tried to get in the car. But wit the knife, that wasn’t an option.

      1. Gaear Grimsrud   4 years ago

        You must be mistaken. Cops only shoot unarmed black men. Thousands of them every day.

      2. WuzYoungOnceToo   4 years ago

        You’d think Robby would get the facts right on Blake

        You'd only think that if you were completely unfamiliar with him.

        1. Dubz   4 years ago

          He DOES work for The Hill now

      3. Gandydancer   4 years ago

        Robby:

        On August 23, 2020, Kenosha police had shot Blake, a black man, during a confrontation with his girlfriend. Blake, who had a warrant out for his arrest on sexual assault charges, disobeyed police orders and instead walked over to his girlfriend's vehicle; police claimed they feared he was reaching for a weapon and opened fire.

        Blake wasn't shat "during a confrontation with his girlfriend". He was shot after a struggle with the police. They didn't so much "fear[] he was reaching for a weapon" as fear he would turn around and stab them with the large fighting knife he was carrying if they tried to grab him to prevent his driving off with the kids in the SUV. I mean... wtf?

  11. Fist of Etiquette   4 years ago

    Many in the media have focused the case against Rittenhouse on the fact that he foolishly chose to inject himself into a chaotic situation where trouble was assured...

    Unlike everyone else there that night.

    1. Don't look at me!   4 years ago

      Mostly peaceful rioters.

      1. Not Robbers=Nut Rubbers   4 years ago

        Remember, rioting and looting is a righteous expression of black rage. Defending your property is the ultimate expression of whiteness and a direct assault on anti-racist principles.

        1. Think It Through   4 years ago

          NR correct. The only fact pattern that matters is racial make-up. Darker skin wins every time. All other facts are mere details to be arranged/re-arranged to reach this conclusion.

          1. Á àß äẞç ãþÇđ âÞ¢Đæ ǎB€Ðëf ảhf   4 years ago

            No, darker skin only wins when it is in support of the Marxians. Look at Lt Gov Winsome for an example of where dark skin == race traitor.

            1. Think It Through   4 years ago

              I have no idea what your name is, but I agree and amend my answer.

              1. Á àß äẞç ãþÇđ âÞ¢Đæ ǎB€Ðëf ảhf   4 years ago

                I was experimenting with the compose key one day, and thought the combinations looked interesting 🙂 Being unpronounceable was icing on the cake.

                1. Chumby   4 years ago

                  It is pronounced, “Kevin.”

                  1. Emmett Dalton   4 years ago

                    +1

            2. Uilleam   4 years ago

              Correct. They really are for equality, in that we are all equally peasants and need to be kept in our place. The race angle is just for pandering.

            3. Emmett Dalton   4 years ago

              See also, Larry "The Black Face of White Supremacy" Elder

          2. Gaear Grimsrud   4 years ago

            Except when black business owners defend their property. Then they become the black faces of white supremacy.

        2. Earth Skeptic   4 years ago

          Woke fundamental #7: speech is violence and violence is speech.

          1. MK Ultra   4 years ago

            Silence, too.

    2. damikesc   4 years ago

      We must never forget it is wrong and unfair to question why rioters were there...but literally anybody else needs to be and should be interrogated.

      1. mad.casual   4 years ago

        It really is the worst case of Coastalism. I want to say that it's astounding that people who commute an hour to work everyday can't fathom the idiocy of making the distinction between Antioch, Kenosha, and Milwalkee, (it's like saying someone from Annapolis is out of place in DC or Huntington Beach is out of place in LA) but we're talking about people who think borders are a figment of collective imagination, except when they aren't.

      2. mad.casual   4 years ago

        Seriously, I'm about 30 min. the other side of Kenosha from Antioch and was in Pleasant Prairie this weekend for a Jr. High football game.

        I guess, maybe, if you spend 18 mos. in your house a trip down the block seems like a foreign country. Thank the FF for the Electoral College.

        1. mad.casual   4 years ago

          30 min. the other side of Kenosha from Antioch

          Er, 30 min. the other side of Antioch from Kenosha.

          1. Hugo S. Cunningham   4 years ago

            I thought so. Your first post put you on a boat in Lake Michigan.

            1. mad.casual   4 years ago

              Tragically, it's where my guns are kept.

              1. Muzzled Woodchipper   4 years ago

                Lost yours while boating too?

    3. Earth Skeptic   4 years ago

      But most of the media have determined guilt based on which side Rittenhouse is on. As they do for all things.

      1. Mike Laursen   4 years ago

        Yes, and many on the right have conferred sainthood on Rittenhouse because of what side he is on.

        1. ElvisIsReal   4 years ago

          Well, that and the video evidence.......

          1. Mike Laursen   4 years ago

            A bunch of low-quality videos. Isn't it funny that they are calling witnesses and asking people what was going on in their minds at the trial, not just showing videos.

            1. R Mac   4 years ago

              Did you have a stroke or something? Because it seems like you’ve had a stroke.

            2. Tameika Fedorchak   4 years ago

              All of the videos I've seen are 1080p full HD. Turns out that sometimes when your kiddie-fucking heroes scream "SHOOT ME NIGGA" at the top of their lungs for 20 minutes, they get their wish. If you ever feel frisky, you should try it some time. I'd be more than happy to help you with that.

            3. Patriotic Guy   4 years ago

              There is high resolution video available that supports KR’s account of events. Of course, I fully expect a disingenuous shill like you to ignore it.

              You don’t care about facts.

        2. damikesc   4 years ago

          "Sainthood", "He is getting railroaded for no reason" --- really, same thing deep down.

        3. Uilleam   4 years ago

          You mean like you all did with Floyd? The piece of garbage who held a pregnant lady at gunpoint and overdosed on fentanyl?

          1. Patriotic Guy   4 years ago

            To Mike, that makes him a hero. Whereas a civic minded kid engaging in self defense is the worst monster possible. He defended himself against murdering rioters……, who are leftists!!!!!!

  12. Fist of Etiquette   4 years ago

    It's perfectly fine to scrutinize Rittenhouse's rationale, and to lay moral blame for what happened at his feet.

    Well, to try to lay moral blame. It's hardly a foregone conclusion.

    1. R Mac   4 years ago

      Actually no, Robby, it’s not. Not if you have any respect for property rights.

      1. damikesc   4 years ago

        Also, has this magazine not refused to condemn the people in Portland who were involved in riots for 100 days?

        1. R Mac   4 years ago

          Nancy Rommelmann covered it pretty well.

          However, the best parts about that:
          1. She’s not a full time staff, but was actually there in person doing real journalism.
          2. ENB, who wasn’t actually there, would frequently repeat inaccurate information in the Roundup she got from Twitter, only to have an article from Rommelmann come out after that completely contradicted her narrative talking points.

          1. Rev. Arthur L. Kuckland   4 years ago

            That was the best part of that series, ENB is such a useless retard I hope she quits and becomes a stay at home mom.
            If it didn't come from vox, slate, nyt, or far left Twitter she was ignorant of its existence.

            1. Earth Skeptic   4 years ago

              She's hoping for eco-fascist senior bureaucrat concubine.

            2. Mother's Lament   4 years ago

              and becomes a stay at home mom.

              She'll find a couple of Guatemalan illegals to nanny 24/7. She'll stick a couple of sleeping bags for them in a closet and pay them $30 a week. That way she can prove virtuous progressive libertarian bonafides, while saving big money and not cooking time on baby stuff.
              Win/win/win.

            3. Fats of Fury   4 years ago

              She belongs at Jezebel.

          2. Red Rocks White Privilege   4 years ago

            This is a YUGE reason that journalism has taken such a massive shit in the last 20 years, from the national level on down to your local suburban newsletter.

            If you want to get scoops--real, juicy legitimate information--you need to get the fuck off of social media (especially Twitter, which is just a gossip vector and shitlib signal booster, not a news source), use your smartphone to actually call up people rather than emailing them for a response and calling it good, and show up in person to take to folks face-to-face.

            Throw in the fact that most of today's journalist class were deliberately trained by the universities to be left-wing political activists, and it's no wonder that they stay ensconced in their deep blue social bubbles, lazily copying each others' work instead of doing it on their own.

            1. Claptrap   4 years ago

              This post should be stickied somewhere.

            2. Chumby   4 years ago

              Agree. Am a bit disappointed with the quality of articles on the fall of the Soviet Union. They copypasta from Twitter and Wikipedia. No interviews. No being present in the location to get the sense of scale and mood.

            3. Overt   4 years ago

              I was saying this during the beginning of the Pandemic. Every journalist was quoting these stupid spreadsheet models that said the SURGE!!! (tm) was going to overwhelm the hospitals on X day in New York.

              Not a single fucking one of these journalists could be bothered to pick up the phone and call a hospital. If it wasn't online in some dashboard- more preferably emailed to them from some think tank analyst- it didn't make it into print.

              That is why our journalism is so fucking dead these days. Nothing but reporting on what is trending in Twitter, or posted on some other website. The days of the "beat reporter" who pounds the pavement looking for stories are gone, gone, gone.

              1. R Mac   4 years ago

                They didn’t even call the Oklahoma hospital before reporting the gun wound story.

                Which they should have done if for no other reason to ask why all those fuckers were wearing a coat in Oklahoma in the summer.

                1. Chumby   4 years ago

                  Sooner or later the truth about the OK story would come to light.

              2. Red Rocks White Privilege   4 years ago

                Journalists have always been a bunch of left-leaning gossip queens (keep in mind, the NY Post used to be known as a pinko rag at one time), but I can at least appreciate that, in the post-WW2 era, they mostly tried to get their facts straight before applying the spin, and their articles were almost always edited by the boss with the fervor of a religious zealot.

                That's not really the case anymore, and the agendas are so blatant and in your face that I can't take them seriously on anything.

    2. Cronut   4 years ago

      The libertarian case for, "He was asking for it."

      1. mad.casual   4 years ago

        Imagine saying a woman was dressed provocatively within 100 yds. of a gentlemen's club, which she happened to live 20 mi. away from, so there's a decent case that the moral blame for the outcome of her serial attempted rape is hers to bear.

        1. n00bdragon   4 years ago

          It's not even that, because a Gentleman's Club, skeezy as it may be, is not illegal. It has every right to exist. The mob attacking Kyle Rittenhouse did not have a right to exist. It would be like blaming a woman for wandering too close to a gang rape and getting raped. Before you can even ask questions like "was it morally right for the person to be there" it must be addressed that the place where they supposedly shouldn't have been wasn't supposed to exist at all.

          This presupposition that torch wielding mobs are just a thing which happens in public society and its every good citizen's responsibility to either participate or, at worst, politely look the other way is the most offensive part.

          1. mad.casual   4 years ago

            It would be like blaming a woman for wandering too close to a gang rape and getting raped.

            Yeah, I was having trouble triangulating the analogous illegal, male-only, publicly-known 'no go', uh, landmark(?).

            "Black man suffers moral blame for wandering too close to Klan rally and defending himself."

          2. Mike Laursen   4 years ago

            Bullshit. He was a mixed-up teenager out looking for trouble, because his head was filled with a hankering for violence by the most extreme elements of the idiotic and socially-destructive Red vs. Blue Team culture war.

            1. Nardz   4 years ago

              Mike Laursen is completely evil, folks.
              It has not a single redeeming trait.

            2. mad.casual   4 years ago

              He was a mixed-up teenager out looking for trouble

              ^What you say when you're obliviously blaming every scantily-clad teen rape victim feminist.

            3. Overt   4 years ago

              Ah, poor Mike let the mask slip. Let's remember this the next time he claims to be reasonable and middle of the road.

              Let's clearly look at what he is saying here:
              "He was a mixed-up teenager out looking for trouble,"

              Is there any contemporaneous statement from Rittenhouse indicating that he was "looking for trouble"? I mean, that is the sort of thing a "middle of the road" person like Mike would look for before coming to the conclusion, right? But no. All evidence indicates that RIttenhouse was there to offer medical aid and prevent the destruction of property. (Note I wouldn't have let my kid go, but going into danger and looking for trouble are two different things.)

              "his head was filled with a hankering for violence by the most extreme elements of the idiotic and socially-destructive Red vs. Blue Team culture war."

              This is perfect. How does Mike, this sage reviewer of the evidence, and middle of the road citizen know what is in Rittenhouse's mind? We don't know. There is no evidence that he was playing Red vs Blue. Indeed, the only evidence we have is that he was pro law and order. We don't know that he intended violence. In fact, we know that he stood there and let a guy push him, get in his face, and scream at him- and he did not shoot the guy then. So the idea that he was "hankering for violence" appears to be completely wrong- because it would take hours before he engaged in violence, despite having plenty of opportunity.

              But this is Mike for you. He claims to be a centrist, when he in fact carries the standard lefty blind spots and delusions. He pretends to be centrist because he thinks everyone is stupid and will just agree with his delusional ranting about people he dislikes if he just pretends not to be partisan.

              This is why conversation with Mike is impossible. He will lie about his own positions, claim to be even handed, and try to get you into a conversation, just so he can concern troll you.

              1. Red Rocks White Privilege   4 years ago

                Is there any contemporaneous statement from Rittenhouse indicating that he was "looking for trouble"?

                If there was, that shit would have been all over his social media, like what happened to that moron in Austin who got domed because he literally said on camera that he thought right-wingers would be too pussy to take him on if he was carrying a gun, or the dreadlocked Antifa chick who bragged about getting ready to go "punch fascists" and subsequently got her teeth knocked out by a Proud Boy later that afternoon.

              2. mad.casual   4 years ago

                (Note I wouldn't have let my kid go, but going into danger and looking for trouble are two different things.)

                Once again, his Mother didn't let him go. Obviously, I wasn't around for every conversation but the narrative gist I got was that he was out the door in the morning and she didn't hear about it until afterwards. Shooting aside, not *that* exceptional for a 17-yr.-old to be out the door in the morning with parents blissfully believing they're going to a job, to study, hang out at a friends' house or whatever. Even at that, bidding them a farewell with "And remember, we only shoot those who aggress against us first. (OK, Mom, I got it. Sheesh!)" seems well within libertarian, uh, norms.

            4. Uilleam   4 years ago

              Project harder.

            5. Fist of Etiquette   4 years ago

              I don't know that there's evidence for this conclusion.

            6. Terry Anne Lieber (Don't Feed Tony)   4 years ago

              And you're high on your whiteness. Is that better?

            7. Tameika Fedorchak   4 years ago

              It's a good thing he ran into a mixed-up 40 year old pedophile begging armed men at a gas station "SHOOT ME NIGGA" and was able to grant him his wish. I hope someday I'm there to fulfill the same for you.

            8. Patriotic Guy   4 years ago

              Mixed up! He seems totally clear headed. He acted with prudence and restraint for the most part. Most of us non traitors are like that.

              Our restraint is why Marxist s,Ike you are allowed to continually draw breath. We really do spoil you.

    3. Seamus   4 years ago

      Rittenhouse is to blame for protecting property and thus driving rioters and arsonists so wild with rage that they tried to kill him.

      1. Gaear Grimsrud   4 years ago

        That pretty much sums up exactly what happened.

      2. Mike Laursen   4 years ago

        Nobody asked him to protect their property.

        1. Overt   4 years ago

          A man tries to stop a gas station from exploding, and Mike thinks he was in the wrong. Notice not once does Mike have anything to say about the people trying to light a gas station on fire.

          But mike is totally not partisan, people. Not partisan at all.

          Remember folks, if you see someone trying to vandalize or burn down a house, you need to find the owner to ask if they want it unmolested, otherwise you are evil and hankering for violence.

          1. Uilleam   4 years ago

            Mike is a statist shill, paid to gaslight.

        2. Tameika Fedorchak   4 years ago

          Nobody asked a 40 year old pedophile to try to burn down their gas station and then try to kill the 17 year old kid who stopped him either.

        3. Patriotic Guy   4 years ago

          Shorter Mike:

          “I’m for murderous Marxist rioters, but against civic minded people trying to stop the murdering leftists form trying to blow up a gas station”.

        4. block30   4 years ago

          The government couldnt/wouldn't stop mass destruction and violence. The people (some people) stepped in.

          PS Fuck you.

  13. Don't look at me!   4 years ago

    Alec Baldwin wants police on movie sets to monitor guns.
    How about no more guns in movies?

    1. Mickey Rat   4 years ago

      Baldwin wants agents of the state so as to assuage his culpability for not checking what he was handed and his fellow producer's incompetence at hiring an expert armorer.

      1. Chumby   4 years ago

        Anyone handling a firearm is responsible for what happens with it. Unless the firearm goes off by itself with no manipulation by the user, any “accident” is a negligent discharge.

        1. Fats of Fury   4 years ago

          Guns don't kill people, Alec baldwin kills people.

          1. Gaear Grimsrud   4 years ago

            One dead and one wounded. At this point he's scoring higher than Teddy Kennedy.

            1. Chumby   4 years ago

              Hillary has one from the motorcade. Does she get a half for Vince Foster?

          2. Patriotic Guy   4 years ago

            Haven’t you heard? Now they’re claiming an angry MAGA supporter snuck in and snuck a live round into the pistol.

        2. damikesc   4 years ago

          Ironically, the NRA is far more obsessed with gun safety than the anti gun nuts.

      2. Rev. Arthur L. Kuckland   4 years ago

        He should have brought Billy Baldwin on the set if he wanted someone that knows firearms

      3. TangoDelta   4 years ago

        Makes sense, he's fine with killing people and having cops on set will likely provide even more deaths, because when have they not? Put him on the shelf with Ted Kennedy in the killings of innocents category even if he only manages to up his total by proxy.

        Of course he could always do what he thought only killers do and take an NRA safety course. Hey, he is a killer after all so he's entitled and I have no doubt someone would pay for it because he's a cheap ass.

    2. CannedSaltyHam   4 years ago

      The police probably feel they have enough trouble to deal with right now without putting themselves at risk of being shot by a narcissistic actor

      1. R Mac   4 years ago

        Ha!

    3. Think It Through   4 years ago

      If Baldwin wants police on set, does he want to FUND them? Or should they volunteer?

      As to "how about no more guns in movies," that seems rather un-libertarian.

      1. Vulgar Madman   4 years ago

        If police were on set there would be MORE accidents with guns.

        1. Marshal   4 years ago

          If police were on set there would be MORE accidents with guns.

          To Baldwin the problem isn't safety, it's liability. If you can push liability off to the state they can proceed without concern.

          When a proposed solution doesn't make sense the solution is probably to a different problem.

      2. Don't look at me!   4 years ago

        Hollywood people think nobody should have guns. Why do they want them in movies?

        1. JWatts   4 years ago

          "Hollywood people think nobody should have guns."

          Eh no, Hollywood people don't think the little people should have guns. Naturally they believe their personal body guards should be able to own & use firearms.

      3. HorseConch   4 years ago

        Only as a rebuttal to using state-funded cops to do it. The correct thing to do would be keep them in there, but they also need to not be fucking morons when it comes to handling guns.

      4. mad.casual   4 years ago

        As to "how about no more guns in movies," that seems rather un-libertarian.

        I think he's referring de rigueur, not de facto. Moreover, not 'no depictions of guns', no actual guns. IMO, could be a case made that firing live rounds at co-workers/production assistants is neither 'keeping and bearing' nor protected free speech. Multiple competent armorers and propmasters have weighed in that sets are already effectively *supposed* to be gun-free zones.

    4. Earth Skeptic   4 years ago

      How about no more Baldwins in movies?

      1. CE   4 years ago

        Unless they make a Serenity sequel of course.

        1. Mike Laursen   4 years ago

          Adam Baldwin is only distantly related to the Baldwin Brothers.

          1. R Mac   4 years ago

            And?

        2. Uilleam   4 years ago

          Seconded.

      2. Chumby   4 years ago

        They would then cease being the Usual Suspects.

      3. Patriotic Guy   4 years ago

        Stephen Baldwin is ok. And he produced a hot daughter with really shitty taste in men.

      4. TangoDelta   4 years ago

        Ever wonder why you'll never see Idiot Baldwin in a movie with Will Smith?

        Wonder no more.

    5. Red Rocks White Privilege   4 years ago

      How about no more movies?

    6. Zeb   4 years ago

      Or maybe some basic training like "don't hold the gun with your finger on the trigger".
      And make sure the armorer checks the barrel and rounds every time. Or am I thinkin of Brandon Lee?

    7. kcuch   4 years ago

      We should assign ambitious DEA agents to that task.

  14. Fist of Etiquette   4 years ago

    It's impossible to say for certain how the trial will conclude, of course.

    Judges who don't want their house burned and juries who were told they've been filmed for doxxing might have different ideas from the viewer from afar.

    1. Don't look at me!   4 years ago

      We gonna hang us a white boy….

      1. Patriotic Guy   4 years ago

        I would love to see Mel Brooks write and direct a ‘Blazing Saddles’ type of film, but set in a leftist city, with Marxist rioters as the antagonists. The Rittenhouse character could do a bit similar to the one where Cleavon Little holds a gun to his own head. Claiming he will ‘shoot the cracker’ if the crowd doesn’t back off.

        Also, Cleavon Little died far before his time.

    2. damikesc   4 years ago

      It is nice watching Leftist activists now trying to undermine the legal system.

      Clearly, vigilante justice is the ONLY way to go. Dead bodies cannot press charges, amirite?

      1. Earth Skeptic   4 years ago

        For religious zealots, "justice" derives from ideology.

    3. Idaho Bob   4 years ago

      This shows the real divide in American politics. Everyone is afraid of what the left may do if the verdict doesn't go their way. No one is concerned about the right burning their houses down if the juror convict an innocent man. The press tells us the opposite is true.

      1. Nardz   4 years ago

        If it's going to be the perception anyway, maybe time to start making it reality.

        1. Mother's Lament   4 years ago

          Kinda this. The establishment elite (the left) are calling the working class "terrorists" to create a chilling effect. They want the people to be so worried about being perceived or maligned as terrorists that they take no action whenever the political establishment goes too far.

          It's a psyop tactic and it's working very well.

      2. Brian   4 years ago

        You’d think after the “terror of Jan 6”, they would be scared, but they’re not.

        Tells you how honest they are about Jan 6.

      3. jimc5499   4 years ago

        Why do you think the Courts refused to hear anything about the 2020 election? It was made clear that if it was overturned the Socialist Progressives would unleash their attack dogs, Antifa and BLM. The deaths that they say they were protesting were just symbols. Showing that they could and would create carnage and chaos was the real message.

        1. ElvisIsReal   4 years ago

          Yep. And DC/Baltimore weren't boarded up on election night in case Biden won.

      4. Super Scary   4 years ago

        "Everyone is afraid of what the left may do if the verdict doesn't go their way."
        I live in Philly and I recall that shortly after the protests/riots were starting to wane and the business began to unboard their doors/windows, they started to board them back up towards the end of November. I doubt that was in preparation for a victory for the blue team. Thankfully for the city, the "correct" side won.

      5. Mike Laursen   4 years ago

        Yeah, I’m just afraid of the right invading capitol buildings when votes don’t go the way they want.

        1. R Mac   4 years ago

          Dee is AOC.

        2. Uilleam   4 years ago

          Go to your basement and stay there. We'll let you know when its safe to come out.

        3. Vulgar Madman   4 years ago

          The left literally burnt down federal buildings you liar.

        4. Tameika Fedorchak   4 years ago

          You weren't afraid when armed leftists invaded the capitol building multiple times in 2020. Then again you're pisslessly terrified of a virus with 1 in 10,000 chance of causing the death of anyone under the age of 70 and with fewer than 3 lifestyle diseases.

        5. Patriotic Guy   4 years ago

          At least they don’t murder anyone.

    4. Chumby   4 years ago

      Saw a judge address this on the bench while presiding over the trial of a WOC judge regarding judicial abuse. I think it was in Illinois but not sure. The judge read some of the hate mail he received. He was pissed.

      1. R Mac   4 years ago

        But was anything actually done about it?

        1. Chumby   4 years ago

          I don’t recall actual threats. The judge had been in s car accident where someone was killed. The letters were nasty. The trial ending in its entirety is on YT.

  15. AtomicAsh   4 years ago

    "Coming just a few weeks after the police shooting of George Floyd, the Blake incident generated mass protests and considerable violence in Kenosha, with protesters settings cars and buildings on fire."

    I'm pretty sure George Floyd was choked-out by a police officer, not shot. I could be mistaken.

    1. Don't look at me!   4 years ago

      More “professional journalism “.

      1. Earth Skeptic   4 years ago

        Look, by now our objective media has proven that all black men are automatically shot by white police as part of the white supremacist master plan. Any choking was incidental.

    2. Chumby   4 years ago

      The badgecam was shooting video of someone overdosing.

    3. Vernon Depner   4 years ago

      George Floyd died of an overdose of Fentanyl.

    4. Sevo   4 years ago

      "...I'm pretty sure George Floyd was choked-out by a police officer, not shot. I could be mistaken."

      AP still characterizes the Jan 6 protest as a "deadly insurrection", 'forgetting' to point out the only death was the murder of that au-armed woman by a cop.

    5. ElvisIsReal   4 years ago

      No, he was a covid death.

  16. Jerryskids   4 years ago

    I hereby declare January 4 to be National Haircut Day. As we all know, the COVID rules don't apply if you need to get a haircut.

    1. Don't look at me!   4 years ago

      I haven’t gotten a haircut since they said it was dangerous to go to the barbershop last year.

      1. Chumby   4 years ago

        Gonna consider getting one? Think you should mullet over.

        1. Don't look at me!   4 years ago

          That would be shear madness.

          1. Chumby   4 years ago

            Thought your interest might fade.

            1. Don't look at me!   4 years ago

              It did taper off.

              1. Chumby   4 years ago

                For lack of a buzz?

                1. Uilleam   4 years ago

                  You guys are so bad its good.

                  1. Chumby   4 years ago

                    A cut above the rest? Cream of the crop? Hair-raising even? Are we killing it like Jack the Clipper?

                    1. Uilleam   4 years ago

                      Ha!

    2. Mickey Rat   4 years ago

      This actually may be a good time to have a general strike.

  17. OpenBordersLiberal-tarian   4 years ago

    "Any Democrats who are still in denial about the role that COVID-related school closures played in handing the Virginia gubernatorial election to the Republican challenger, Glenn Youngkin"

    Wrong. I learned in college when Democrats lose elections there are only two permissible explanations: (1) Republicans cheated and / or (2) voters are racist.

    #LibertariansForTeachersUnions
    #LibertariansForCRTInPublicSchools

    1. Don't look at me!   4 years ago

      Racism is the only answer. What else would explain white people voting for a black president. Twice!

      1. OpenBordersLiberal-tarian   4 years ago

        Actually, the only way to be truly anti-racist is to vote correctly every. Single. Time.

        For example, voters who supported Obama twice then flipped to Drumpf in 2016? Racists, all of them. Same applies to Biden 2020 / Youngkin 2021 voters.

        #RadicalIndividualistsForRacialCollectivism

        1. Earth Skeptic   4 years ago

          Best then to follow the lead of Democratic operatives and let the party vote for the people.

      2. Vulgar Madman   4 years ago

        Obama was only half black, so he doesn’t count.

        1. Seamus   4 years ago

          All those Obama voters who later voted for Trump or Youngkin were obviously voting for Obama's white half.

        2. Chumby   4 years ago

          What does Harry Reid have to say about it?

    2. CE   4 years ago

      Except the exit polls showed that people who cared about COVID wanted the restrictions. The Dems lost because their candidate said parents shouldn't get to decide what their own children learn. The loss is all about the curriculum and who gets to set it, and who works for whom.

  18. Not Robbers=Nut Rubbers   4 years ago

    Has anyone gotten Cookie Monster's position on the Rittenhouse trial yet?

    1. Chumby   4 years ago

      C is for conviction, that tastes so good to me.

      1. I, Woodchipper   4 years ago

        K is for kangaroo court

      2. Spiritus Mundi   4 years ago

        R is for railroaded.

      3. mad.casual   4 years ago

        Me want conviction! Nom Nom Nom Nom!

    2. Sevo   4 years ago

      M is for M4e; convicting the kid for what he might have done.

  19. Fist of Etiquette   4 years ago

    The Biden administration defended its vaccine mandate for private employers in court on Monday, arguing that the requirement is necessary to save lives.

    It's Biden's fantasy land. We're all just confined to it.

    1. Earth Skeptic   4 years ago

      If we don't do exactly as Uncle Joe says, we will all die.

      Some liberals actually believe this.

      1. Mother's Lament   4 years ago

        Well not always, but they'll burn as a heretic all those who don't pretend.

    2. Gaear Grimsrud   4 years ago

      Hmm
      https://www.newsweek.com/florida-centre-covid-mandate-resistance-lowest-infection-levels-1647396

      1. Fist of Etiquette   4 years ago

        When did Newsweak get redpilled?

  20. JesseAz   4 years ago

    Rittenhouse prosecution indeed had a bad day. But most of the media isn't covering it. Most claimed the prosecution witness helped the prosecution.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/AGHamilton29/status/1457822321465495556

    1. JesseAz   4 years ago

      Also a reminder that Facebook banned support for Rittenhouse.

      https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/facebook-bans-posts-in-support-of-alleged-kenosha-shooter-kyle-rittenhouse

      Many potential jurors only get their news from Facebook. This was an attempt to taint the jury pool. And even more egregious with the evidence in court now.

      1. Red Rocks White Privilege   4 years ago

        If the judge hasn't required the jurors to stay off of social media entirely, that's already a fail.

    2. JesseAz   4 years ago

      but after a warning shot was fired by another man, Rittenhouse turned back and engaged Joseph Rosenbaum

      Why is this included? The shot was after Rittenhouse was being chased. The shot was from behind. Who determined this was a warning shot?? Rittenhouse would have had no clue and pure speculation. Why include this??

      1. R Mac   4 years ago

        Narrative.

      2. Marshal   4 years ago

        Nor did he choose to engage, he had no choice other than being attacked from behind.

      3. Gaear Grimsrud   4 years ago

        Actually Rosenbaum was hiding between some cars as Rittenhouse passed by yelling "friendly, friendly" and attempted an ambush. You'd think Robbie would make some effort to get the facts straight.

        1. R Mac   4 years ago

          In a 2A case? I wouldn’t think that at all.

    3. JesseAz   4 years ago

      But if Rittenhouse is acquitted, it will not necessarily be because the justice system is dead, but rather, because the prosecution failed to establish beyond a reasonable doubt that Rittenhouses's actions were unreasonable at the moments they occurred.

      What a terrible conclusion. The video exists. Even the prosecutions witness said Rittenhouse only fired when under threat as two people backed away and were not fired upon.

      Just a terrible paragraph.

      1. Commenter_XY   4 years ago

        What do you expect from Soave...reasoned and logical analysis? 🙂

      2. Mother's Lament   4 years ago

        Those "both sides" and "howevers" keep Robby's Jetta from getting torched.

        1. Chumby   4 years ago

          And he keeps getting invites to cocktail parties attended by a POC.

    4. Earth Skeptic   4 years ago

      Baghdad Bob School of Journalism grads?

  21. Not Robbers=Nut Rubbers   4 years ago

    If Bari Weiss is the posterchild for "free inquiry" the concept has lost all meaning.

    1. Rev. Arthur L. Kirkland   4 years ago

      Bari Weiss is a professional (and amateurish) misfit who has left every organization with which she has been associated in a self-righteous, disaffected huff -- since high school.

      She is good at whining and attracting malcontents. That's about it.

      1. Rev. Arthur L. Kuckland   4 years ago

        Seeing as how hicklib hates her, I may have misjudged her

      2. Earth Skeptic   4 years ago

        "She is good at whining and attracting malcontents."

        So a big future with the Democratic Party?

      3. Mother's Lament   4 years ago

        I wondered what the official party line on Bari would be.

        Now tell us the ones on Taibbi, Greenwald and Brand.

      4. Fats of Fury   4 years ago

        Uh Oh. Did she turn down your prom invite?

        1. Red Rocks White Privilege   4 years ago

          Weiss is a lesbian, but it wouldn't surprise me if the hicklib had ever been in a Chasing Amy situation.

  22. Fist of Etiquette   4 years ago

    Nor have petitioners shown that their claimed injuries outweigh the harm of staying a Standard that will save thousands of lives and prevent hundreds of thousands of hospitalizations...

    There is no world in which individual employers and employees get to make that determination for themselves.

  23. Joe Friday   4 years ago

    Inarguable that Rittenhouser acted in self defense, but the same can be said for Grosskreutz who was trying - as was the guy with the skateboard Rittenhouser killed - to disarm him. Rittenhouser should be charged with manslaughter as his visiting the scene with an AR-15 - they should be illegal - and brandishing it in a volatile situation precipitated the deaths. Maybe leniency for a kid acting foolishly should apply but he's neither hero or villain. Just a foolish kid.

    1. Don't look at me!   4 years ago

      Trying to disarm someone with a rifle by brandishing a skateboard.
      Talk about someone who shouldn’t have been there.

      1. Cyto   4 years ago

        Brandishing? Dude clocked him in the back of the head with the skateboard... Then proceeded to try to take his gun.

        Given what he may or may not have known, his actions might have been reasonable, even heroic. But he did a lot more than brandishing a skateboard to get himself shot.

      2. Chumby   4 years ago

        Never bring a skateboard to a gun fight.

        1. Not Robbers=Nut Rubbers   4 years ago

          They send one of yours to the vert ramp, you send one of theirs to the morgue. That's the Kenosha Way.

          1. Uilleam   4 years ago

            "A man strikes you, make him bleed. He makes you bleed, you break his bones. He breaks your bones, kill him. Being hit is inevitable, strike back twice as hard."

            Bruce Lee

    2. Cyto   4 years ago

      Yeah... That is exactly how the law should work.

      Someone tries to kill you and if you have the means to defend yourself on your person, you are guilty of manslaughter.

      Good luck getting a free people to agree to that legal standard.

      1. Joe Friday   4 years ago

        Cyto, the incidents were provoked by Rittenhouser's injecting himself in a volatile situation while brandishing an AR-15. He was not on his front porch or returning from a hunting trip. Absence his behavior, none of those people are dead.

        1. Joe Friday   4 years ago

          PS Cyto, manslaughter is defined as "the crime of killing a human being without malice aforethought, or otherwise in circumstances not amounting to murder."

          1. JesseAz   4 years ago

            You admit it was self defense in your first post but want criminal charges anyway dummy. Youre a political authoritarian.

            1. Joe Friday   4 years ago

              Jesse, manslaughter does not require malice. Yes, in that momentary situation, Rittenhouser acted in self defense, but he created the momentary situation.

              1. Chumby   4 years ago

                Because he is white and not a rioter?

              2. Brian   4 years ago

                You’re an asshole.

                You know punishing this kid for defending himself isn’t going to be some victory for democrats.

                1. Mike Laursen   4 years ago

                  Friday is being quite civil in his comments, so what’s with the asshole remark.

                  Friday says he thinks a manslaughter charge was appropriate. (I agree). That is not mere self defense.

                  1. Claptrap   4 years ago

                    Friday is being quite civil in his comments, so what’s with the asshole remark.

                    Prior history. He's made a lot of posts in the past few weeks; his threads usually start out as, "hey, I'm a reasonable guy engaged in conversation!" and often turn to name calling after somebody points out to him that he's a totalitarian shitheel.

                    1. JesseAz   4 years ago

                      He makes comments in this very thread with derogatory terms. White Mike is just an idiot.

                  2. Nardz   4 years ago

                    Pure evil

                  3. R Mac   4 years ago

                    More evidence that Dee is Joe Friday.

                    Remember when she defended White Knight, as if we all didn’t know it was her?

                  4. Brian   4 years ago

                    Self-defense doesn’t become manslaughter just because you think he needed your permission to be there.

                    I can see how an asshole would think that.

                    1. Mike Laursen   4 years ago

                      A second commenter has proven himself a right-wing asshole today. Muting.

                    2. R Mac   4 years ago

                      Oh no!

                    3. Tameika Fedorchak   4 years ago

                      Over/under on how many minutes it takes before dumbfuck forgets he "muted" R Mac and then compulsively responds to all of his posts in another thread?

                  5. Tameika Fedorchak   4 years ago

                    No, Joe from Lowell is being civil. He and you are both evil pieces of subhuman shit. I pray every night that one day I catch you fucking around and help you find out.

              3. JesseAz   4 years ago

                Joe. You admitted it was self defense. Wisconsin is a self defense state. You want charges purely for political posturing. You want to change the law merely to convict someone you dislike.

                He did not create the situation dummy. He was the one initially attacked. Are you even trying?

              4. Seamus   4 years ago

                he created the momentary situation

                You're right: This asshole, by trying to help innocent people defend their property from arson, was guilty of provoking rioters to try to kill him. He's as responsible as if he'd started the fight by whaling on the victims with a skateboard before shooting them.

                1. Mike Laursen   4 years ago

                  He was not invited to defend property. It’s a nice spin, but he was a stupid teenager out looking for a fight.

                  1. Don't look at me!   4 years ago

                    All the rioters were peaceful.

                  2. Marshal   4 years ago

                    he was a stupid teenager out looking for a fight.

                    Quite obviously it was the people he shot looking for a fight, but left wingers never concern themselves with the motives or actions of their allies. Their political beliefs render them above reproach. The only question a leftist is interested in is what works best among those with limited knowledge of reality, i.e, the leftist base.

                  3. Uilleam   4 years ago

                    Nobody needs an invitation to defend life and property from thugs. Try again.

                    1. Uilleam   4 years ago

                      The whole point of comments from the likes of Mike, Jeff, Joe, etc. is to convince you that you are being unreasonable in wanting to have liberty. That is literally the whole point. They are gaslighting, trying to make you feel crazy for thinking and feeling normal. Don't fall for it. You may try and reason with them or argue with them, but in the end the only appropriate response, which saves time and energy, is to tell them to piss off.

                  4. Tameika Fedorchak   4 years ago

                    And the 40 year old kiddie fucker screaming "SHOOT ME NIGGA" at the top of his lungs wasn't invited to violate his parole and provoke a confrontation with multiple armed men until he finally got what he asked for.

              5. Red Rocks White Privilege   4 years ago

                but he created the momentary situation.

                How, by running from a convicted child molester who was attempting to trap him?

              6. kcuch   4 years ago

                I blame his Mom for not having the abortion. With that, none of those guys get dead.

            2. MT-Man   4 years ago

              Jesse - remember Joe Friday is a really really good contractor he gave his workers a choice and showed how smart and just he is.

              1. JesseAz   4 years ago

                How does he have the time when he is also an officer?

                1. R Mac   4 years ago

                  And an architect.

                  1. Tameika Fedorchak   4 years ago

                    Joe from Lowell wears many hats.

        2. JesseAz   4 years ago

          No. They were provided by a bipolar arsonist wanting to attack people and going after Kyle dummy.

        3. Don't look at me!   4 years ago

          Who made the situation volatile, and why don’t they shoulder any guilt?

        4. Brian   4 years ago

          That’s not how the law works.

          Or you could say all the rioters are guilty of murder, because if they hadn’t rioted, no one would be dead.

          That’s not a concept of Justice. That’s just a shell game.

          1. Brian   4 years ago

            Hell, you could say that we need to find out if the $20 bill George Floyd had was counterfeit to tell wether the cop murdered him: he had no business using counterfeit money. That’s government money. Says so on it.

            Yeah that’s not how it works, fortunately.

        5. R Mac   4 years ago

          What would have happened if the rioters had stayed on their front porch? You’re defending brown shirt tactics.

          1. Tameika Fedorchak   4 years ago

            You’re defending brown shirt tactics.

            You sound surprised. That's what Nazis do.

            1. markm23   4 years ago

              And Communists. Mussolini and Hitler copied their thug squads from the communists. And the communist thug squads that preceded Mussolini by over 50 years have changed their name many times but never their tactics; now it's called "Antifa".

        6. Earth Skeptic   4 years ago

          Oh good, the "absence unwise or provocative behavior" criteria.

          Does this apply to the rioters?

        7. Bubba Jones   4 years ago

          BLAME THE VICTIM

        8. Marshal   4 years ago

          Absence his behavior, none of those people are dead.

          Also absent their own behavior none of them are dead. This is an irrelevant question. Note the mischaracterization of reality used to justify his conclusion. Apparently the people shot were "provoked" simply by his legal presence which seems to mean something to him. Maybe his skirt was too short or he wore red panties.

          1. Red Rocks White Privilege   4 years ago

            Apparently the people shot were "provoked" simply by his legal presence which seems to mean something to him.

            I've seen the same excuse proffered by lefties on the riots--"Well, if the police hadn't shown up in riot gear, they wouldn't have started rioting!"

            I don't think that lefties confirming that they have no self-control is all that good of a look, but considering their perpetual state of emotional retardation, they apparently believe otherwise.

        9. Gaear Grimsrud   4 years ago

          The incident with Rosenbaum was provoked when Rittenhouse put out a fire that Rosenbaum had started with a fire extinguisher, inciting Rosenbaum to ambush him. Everything that happened thereafter occured while Rittenhouse was running toward the police line yelling "friendly, friendly".

        10. Fats of Fury   4 years ago

          LOLGF. The McCloskeys WERE on their porch in Missouri, defending their property and were prosecuted on a gun charge. I'm sure you approve.
          The three shot in Kenosha came to riot, two were from out of town and the skateboarder had a long police record mostly involving family abuse.
          I think you need to stay on your porch.

        11. Ben of Houston   4 years ago

          Well, on the other hand, if these people were not actively trying to destroy the city, this wouldn't have happened either. If stories are to be believed, Rittenhouse earned the ire of the crowd when he pushed a burning trash can away from a building. That was when he was attacked. From what we can tell, if he had not been armed that night, Rittenhouse would have been among the dead.

          I don't want to encourage vigilantism, but we have to be honest about who instigated this conflict.

    3. damikesc   4 years ago

      "Inarguable that Rittenhouser acted in self defense, but the same can be said for Grosskreutz"

      Except Rittenhouse did not shoot the antifa dude until the dude raised a gun at him. When he did not do so, Kyle did not fire. If he did not raise a gun at Kyle, nothing would have happened to him. If Kyle was not attacked, nobody would have been harmed.

      You are terrible at this.

      1. Joe Friday   4 years ago

        damiksec, the skateboard guy did not have a gun. He's dead. Both he and Grosskreutz sought to disarm a guy who just shot and killed another down the street.

        1. Don't look at me!   4 years ago

          Lies.

        2. JesseAz   4 years ago

          You are ignorant and full of shit.

          Let me bash you in the head with a skateboard, no risk of bodily injury right?

          Likewise kyle was running towards the police line. They engaged him as he was retreating dummy.

          1. Lord of Strazele   4 years ago

            Oh, like bashing a Capitol police officer in the head?

            1. Cronut   4 years ago

              Exactly. Except one happened and the other didn't.

              1. Lord of Strazele   4 years ago

                Jesus man. You're just crazy I guess.

                1. Vulgar Madman   4 years ago

                  You’re a liar.

                  1. Lord of Strazele   4 years ago

                    WARNING: THE VIDEO BELOW IS GRPAHIC, CONTAINS FOUL LANGUAGE, AND MAY BE DISTURBING AND/OR DIFFICULT TO WATCH. VIEWER DISCRETION IS HIGHLY ADVISED.

                    https://www.wndu.com/2021/06/17/graphic-bodycam-video-released-jan-6-capitol-insurrection/

                    1. Don't look at me!   4 years ago

                      Lol @ trigger warnings.

                    2. Sevo   4 years ago

                      OMG! Helmeted cop hit with flagpole! Capital offense!
                      Shitlord is a gullible asshole, ain't he?

                    3. Mother's Lament   4 years ago

                      THAT'S FUCKING IT? A guy waving around a 5 ounce hollow flagpole?

                      Wow, what a lying piece of shit you are.

                    4. Sevo   4 years ago

                      He and asshole Joe make a real pair!
                      Asshole Joe claims to be here for the 'easy pickings'; pretty sure that means he posts 'easy pickings', but the dumb sumbitch is too stupid to understand.

                    5. Tameika Fedorchak   4 years ago

                      Notice how Jakie thinks this is somehow a 'gotcha' even though the person who got shot in the face by a cowardly pussy piece of shit faggot cop was completely unarmed and never hit anyone.

                      At least you finally let go of the fire extinguisher narrative after 10 months.

            2. damikesc   4 years ago

              "Oh, like bashing a Capitol police officer in the head?"

              Identical, EXCEPT that Kyle was retreating and cops weren't bashed in the head in the Capitol. But otherwise, yes, identical.

              So, using the Capitol precedent, shouldn't the person who killed the others be lionized by the press?

            3. CannedSaltyHam   4 years ago

              Even the NYT eventually retracted that lie (conveniently waiting until after the impeachment trial). How does it feel to have less integrity than those assclowns?

              1. R Mac   4 years ago

                Strudel doesn’t care about integrity.

              2. Don't look at me!   4 years ago

                It doesn’t matter when you are dead inside.

                1. Lord of Strazele   4 years ago

                  Interesting choice of words.

                  1. Mother's Lament   4 years ago

                    How so? Are you dead inside?

                    1. 5.56   4 years ago

                      Autistic sociopaths get puzzled when someone who isn't dead inside is trying to describe their psyche.

            4. JesseAz   4 years ago

              Is that you white mike? You still going to go with this? The officer that shot babbitt got hit in the head?

          2. Cyto   4 years ago

            No... It is dependent on what they knew.

            If you are at the mall tonight and you hear gunfire and see some dude running out of Hot Topic carrying a gun with 3 people behind him yelling "he just killed somebody!! Get him!!", What do you do?

            Guy runs right by JesseAZ. You are big enough to lay him out and disarm him. Do you feel justified in doing so?

            Do you suspect that others might be in danger if you don't?

            Imperfect information makes for imperfect decisions.

            If the dude is a psycho who just smoked his ex wife and is on his way to kill their kids, you are a hero. If he is a guy who was just jumped by 3 gang members who tried to kill him? Well... Less clear. But you have no way of knowing.

            So if skateboard dude was not part of the ",get those guys" crowd that had been acting badly all night, he may have been acting with bravery to stop a killer in that moment.

            1. Cyto   4 years ago

              But Rittenhouse is still defending himself from a mob, and this guy in particular who clocked him with a skateboard and tried to take his weapon.

        3. damikesc   4 years ago

          "damiksec, the skateboard guy did not have a gun. He's dead."

          He assaulted Kyle, while Kyle was retreating, with a weapon. Poor decision by the thug.

          "Both he and Grosskreutz sought to disarm a guy who just shot and killed another down the street."

          Except Grosskreutz told a roommate he wished he murdered him and skateboard dude had, literally, no legal right to actually possess a gun in the first place.

          Again, you're shockingly bad at this.

        4. Marshal   4 years ago

          Note the conversion of attacking someone to "trying to disarm". This is a lie.

        5. Seamus   4 years ago

          Skateboard guy didn't have a gun, but a skateboard upside the head can be a deadly weapon just like a gun can.

          They "sought to disarm a guy" who was heading toward the police to turn himself in. So who's the reckless vigilante now?

          1. Red Rocks White Privilege   4 years ago

            Skateboard guy didn't have a gun, but a skateboard upside the head can be a deadly weapon just like a gun can.

            Not surprisingly, an incident of an angry leftist mob confronting an armed individual went about like it always does:

            "Get his ass! Get that fascist fuck!"
            BANG BANG BANG
            ::screaming and crying::

          2. Mike Laursen   4 years ago

            Rittenhouse

            1. Sevo   4 years ago

              Stupid.

            2. Tameika Fedorchak   4 years ago

              Nearly as reckless as walking through a window smashed out by a Antifa-affiliated FBI informant "videographer" moments earlier.

        6. Claptrap   4 years ago

          damiksec, the skateboard guy did not have a gun.

          Translation: former LAPD officer is unfamiliar with the Reginald Denny incident.

    4. Sevo   4 years ago

      Asshole Joe leaks his take on women in short dresses!
      Fuck off and die, shitpile

      1. Gaear Grimsrud   4 years ago

        Fuck Joe Friday.

    5. I, Woodchipper   4 years ago

      visiting the scene with an AR-15 - they should be illegal

      yet they are not

      1. Quo Usque Tandem   4 years ago

        "should be" is a telling phrase; it's now about what happened, but what JF wishes had happened. To get to the outcome he wants, in accordance with "there needs to be government force" directed at those he does not like or agree with.

        Everything proceeds from there.

        1. JesseAz   4 years ago

          He wants political trials like most leftists and authoritarians do.

        2. Gaear Grimsrud   4 years ago

          Juror Joefriday in deliberations, "I think guns should be illegal and I know what everybody was thinking that day. Guilty on all charges!"
          Jury foreman, "I'm not sure we can just make shit up".

    6. Marshal   4 years ago

      Grosskreutz who was trying - as was the guy with the skateboard Rittenhouser killed - to disarm him.

      Disarming someone is an act of aggression not self-defense, especially when those trying to do so have threatened to harm the target. People who have to pretend reality doesn't exist to make their point are implicitly admitting they are wrong.

      1. Seamus   4 years ago

        If Grosskreutz reasonably believed in good faith that his actions were necessary to prevent an imminent threat of death or serious bodily injury, or if Wisconsin law privileged him in making a citizen's arrest for what he reasonably believed was a felony Rittenhouse had just committed, then his actions might be legally justified. Indeed, under those circumstances, if he'd shot Rittenhouse before Rittenhouse shot him, his actions might constitute justifiable homicide. But that is irrelevant to the question of whether Rittenhouse's own use of deadly force was justified. We judge that, not on whether Rittenhouse's victim was justified in his actions, but in whether Rittenhouse reasonably believed *his* actions were necessary to avert an imminent threat. By the same token, if two undercover cops get into a gunfight, each of them reasonably believing that the other is a perp about to kill or seriously injure him, then neither of them is a murderer when one of them ends up dead.

        1. Claptrap   4 years ago

          Exactly. Honestly, if Grosskreutz had killed Rittenhouse then I wouldn't be on board with charging him either.

        2. Cyto   4 years ago

          This is the correct analysis

        3. Marshal   4 years ago

          Grosskreutz reasonably believed in good faith that his actions were necessary to prevent an imminent threat of death or serious bodily injury

          How can someone reasonably reach this conclusion about someone running away from a mob? He wasn't threatening anyone as he retreated. In fact at the point you claim he reaches this conclusion the only person in danger is Rittenhouse by the mob and only the mob's actions changed that fact.

          1. Gaear Grimsrud   4 years ago

            This is an excellent analysis of Wisconsin law covering self defense, stand your ground, and exceptions thereto. Pretty deep and arcane stuff but well worth reading to figure out exactly what's going on here.
            https://legalinsurrection.com/2021/11/possible-rittenhouse-trial-prosecution-hail-mary-kyle-provoked-the-attacks/

          2. kcuch   4 years ago

            the only person in danger is Rittenhouse by the mob and only the mob's actions changed that fact

            Kyle's actions successfully changed things.

    7. Red Rocks White Privilege   4 years ago

      Inarguable that Rittenhouser acted in self defense, but the same can be said for Grosskreutz who was trying - as was the guy with the skateboard Rittenhouser killed - to disarm him.

      LOL, Grosskreutz wasn't even in the vicinity of Kyle when the shooting started. He sought him out, and admitted on the stand that he pulled his gun on him, which goes with the video showing that he feigned surrender with the intent to kill once Kyle dropped his gun.

      Sic semper Antifae.

      1. ElvisIsReal   4 years ago

        The fake surrender is the most damning thing on the film.

    8. Claptrap   4 years ago

      Rittenhouser should be charged with manslaughter as his visiting the scene with an AR-15 - they should be illegal - and brandishing it in a volatile situation precipitated the deaths. Maybe leniency for a kid acting foolishly should apply but he's neither hero or villain. Just a foolish kid.

      Aged hippie politics in a nutshell: the law should reflect whatever I feel about it at any given time.

      1. Red Rocks White Privilege   4 years ago

        “When I use a word,” Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, “it means just what I choose it to mean—neither more nor less.” “The question is,” said Alice, “whether you can make words mean so many different things.”

    9. Mike Laursen   4 years ago

      Exactly my take. I would have charged him so the manslaughter.

      1. Sevo   4 years ago

        You want to convict him for what he didn't do, asshole.
        Fuck off and die.

  24. Jerryskids   4 years ago

    The House committee investigating the events of January 6 has subpoenaed Michael Flynn, John Eastman, and others.

    I'm assuming they've also subpoenaed Vladimir Putin and Russian Prostitute 1 and Russian Prostitute 2.

    1. Joe Friday   4 years ago

      They were involved in the insurrection? They're not stupid like the rest of the conspirators and their leader.

      1. Chumby   4 years ago

        The prostitutes were involved with the ins erections.

      2. Tameika Fedorchak   4 years ago

        True, the FBI informants who constituted all of the people who actually vandalized and broke into the capitol are pretty fucking stupid. Nearly as stupid as Peter Strzok and the rest of the Russia collusion conspirators.

        You should suck on Tony's AIDS-infested asshole Joe from Lowell.

    2. damikesc   4 years ago

      I'm looking forward to never seeing that weeping pussy Kinzinger when he is stuck on CNN.

      1. Fats of Fury   4 years ago

        Kinzinger is as much use to CNN now as a used condom. Although I expect Reason to seek him out for the LP ticket. The libertarian argument for Kinsinger/Cheney.

  25. JesseAz   4 years ago

    Some of the things considered infrastructure on the spending bull.

    https://justthenews.com/government/congress/five-policies-12t-infrastructure-bill-congress-passed-public-should-know-about

    4. The bill includes a mandate for vehicle manufactures to install "drunk and impaired driving prevention technology" as a standard safety feature inside of new vehicles.

    1. Don't look at me!   4 years ago

      Sarc hardest hit.

      1. Chumby   4 years ago

        An excuse why he missed work. Car wouldn’t start.

        1. Don't look at me!   4 years ago

          Like he has a job.

          1. R Mac   4 years ago

            He should ask his friends how to get paid to lie in these comments.

            1. Chumby   4 years ago

              Faster than $0.05 per returnable.

  26. Commenter_XY   4 years ago

    I am extremely concerned about the vax mandate for federal contractors, which really takes effect 11/24 (the by which you need your first shot). Federal employees (or contractors) are eligible to be disciplined after that date, including termination of job. This is utter insanity.

    We are talking about hundreds of thousands of people who about to say: Fuck you, I'm out. These are white collar professionals who will not be easy to replace. It would take years.

    #LGBTQ (Let's Get Biden To Quit).

    1. Cyto   4 years ago

      Do we... Uh.... Do we really want to replace hundreds of thousands of federal workers?

      1. JesseAz   4 years ago

        It includes contractors.

        1. I, Woodchipper   4 years ago

          the question still applies

      2. Earth Skeptic   4 years ago

        Never waste a good crisis!

        If qualified, experienced fed employees quit, then we can instantly hire thousands based on diversity, equity, and inclusion criteria, and lift thousands out of poverty.

        Win-win!

      3. Quo Usque Tandem   4 years ago

        Silver linings...who will run the bureaucracy?

    2. Joe Friday   4 years ago

      Commenter, estimates of those about to quit over the mandates have all been wildly optimistic. In fact, push comes to shove, almost none do. Who trades a good job with benefits for taking a free shot that is both safe and effective and protecting you and family? Fools and maniacs.

      1. JesseAz   4 years ago

        Do you revel in ignorance? 30% of truckers are estimated. 5-10% of federal contractors and their suppliers.

        You are actually dumber than Jeff.

        1. Joe Friday   4 years ago

          Jesse, this is typical:

          "DENVER — Few of Denver's police officers, sheriff's deputies and firefighters quit their jobs over the city's COVID-19 vaccine mandate, new Department of Public Safety data shows.

          Fifteen police officers, seven sheriff's deputies and five firefighters resigned or retired because of the vaccine mandate, according to city data. Those former employees specifically cited the vaccine mandate in their resignation or retirement letters.

          That's less than 1% of the three agencies' 3,224 sworn staff members.

          The mandate announced Aug. 2 by Mayor Michael Hancock required all city employees to be fully vaccinated by Sept. 30...."

          1. Cronut   4 years ago

            Now do New York.

            1. Earth Skeptic   4 years ago

              And then do health care workers.

              1. Mike Laursen   4 years ago

                One really has to wonder about a health care worker who is anti-vax.

                1. Don't look at me!   4 years ago

                  Everyone must think the same things all the time.

                2. Sevo   4 years ago

                  One really has to wonder what business that is of yours.

                3. ElvisIsReal   4 years ago

                  The front line workers were likely infected long ago and already have superior protection as compared to the jab.

                  1. Mike Laursen   4 years ago

                    Sure. And their employer should give them a chance to use an antibody test in lieu of vaccination -- but since we are not referring to any specific time or place, but only vague "do health care workers" we can't really get into the specifics of whether that option is being offered or not.

                    1. Tameika Fedorchak   4 years ago

                      Here's a clue for you: it's not. The mandate you supported has no provision for it. Also no religious exemptions, in direct contravention of both the constitution and the RFRA. Which is why the courts blocked enforcement until the case is heard.

                4. R Mac   4 years ago

                  Are you being stupid on purpose? Because it seems you’ve gotten even dumber lately.

                  1. TrickyVic (old school)   4 years ago

                    Anti-vaxx is now the target of two minutes hate. Your vaccination status is not relevant.What matters is if you agree with mandate or not.

                    I've been called an anti-vaxxer on a couple of occasions just because I disagree with the mandates. I am pro-vaccine. I think it's a good idea, but I do not believe government has the authority to impose it on anyone.

                5. Tameika Fedorchak   4 years ago

                  #FOLLOWTHESCIENCE
                  #TRUSTTHEEXPERTS
                  #(UNLESSTHEYREFUSETOTAKEEXPERIMENTALDRUGSASACONDITIONOFEMPLOYMENT)

                  Goddamn you're tiresome.

          2. JesseAz   4 years ago

            LOL. You pick one location instead of estimates. Now do the public unions suing such as in NY.

            1. Sevo   4 years ago

              You want asshole Joe to be honest? How dare you!

      2. Commenter_XY   4 years ago

        Joe Friday....I'll be polite. You do not know WTH you are talking about. I am telling you now we are already seeing the forward edge of resignations. It is happening now. It is about to become far worse. You will see a bolus right around December 8th, and then a flood after January 15th.

        There are lots of jobs out there. Just take a moment to think it through, Joe.

        1. R Mac   4 years ago

          “Just take a moment to think it through, Joe.”

          Hahahaha!

          1. Commenter_XY   4 years ago

            Yeah, I know R Mac. But I have to try. 🙂

        2. Quo Usque Tandem   4 years ago

          JF states what he WANTS to believe. It is a fantasy world.

          I'd have muted him by now but the straw man benefit somehow makes it worthwhile.

      3. Cronut   4 years ago

        People with skills that are difficult to impossible to replace, who know if they walk out, their entire industry comes to a grinding halt. And it doesn't even take that many of th to walk out- just enough to disrupt operations.

        Like airline pilots and air traffic controllers.

        1. R Mac   4 years ago

          Come on man! All those delays were just from weather.

        2. kcuch   4 years ago

          reagan showed that air traffic controllers aren't difficult to replace at all

      4. kcuch   4 years ago

        I agree. people have mortgages to maintain, orthodontists to pay, and 6 more years to a full pension. They will push anyone into an oven if they are told to.

        Same reason revolutions are actually fought by the few while the vast majority scrambles for advantage that arises from the tumult.

    3. Nardz   4 years ago

      "These are white collar professionals who will not be easy to replace."

      LOL
      There is no one easier to replace.

      1. Commenter_XY   4 years ago

        Nardz....LOL, I get what you are saying (btw, I agree). I am talking about white collar STEM professionals (programmers, chemists, physicists, biologists, engineers, etc).

  27. Fist of Etiquette   4 years ago

    Danny Barefoot, a Democratic strategist, conducted a focus group with female Virginians who voted for President Joe Biden in the 2020 presidential election and then for Youngkin last week.

    UNEDUCATED WHITE WOMEN (AKA WHITE SUPREMACISTS)

    1. Brian   4 years ago

      Democrats have been telling me all week that uneducated white women are stupid bitches.

      You know: because equality.

      1. I, Woodchipper   4 years ago

        We need to gaslight the woke left into believing that the way forward is to abolish the 19th amendment.

        1. Brian   4 years ago

          At least they have the decency not Trump uneducated women of color in. Yet.

        2. Earth Skeptic   4 years ago

          Well, letting women vote did give rise to the nanny state.

      2. Fats of Fury   4 years ago

        That's no lie. Stupid bitches are white women who voted for Biden .

  28. Joe Friday   4 years ago

    The cited poll does not confirm Covid restrictions caused McAuliffe's defeat, but his careless language against parents school involvement. Do we really need to point out these are not the same things?

    1. Don't look at me!   4 years ago

      What difference, at this point, does it make?

      1. MP   4 years ago

        +1 Hysterical reference

    2. Brian   4 years ago

      Yes, sometimes voters punish politicians for staying stupid shit about the role of parents in schools.

    3. Tameika Fedorchak   4 years ago

      The hilarious thing is that you supported both McAuliffe's idiotic shitting all over concerned parents as well as Stalinist permanent house arrest for everyone in the state. Counting angels on the head of a pin, are ya?

  29. JesseAz   4 years ago

    Despite his crashing polling numbers biden continues his assault on American freedoms under the guise of covid. Wants vaccine passports for domestic travel.

    https://www.dailywire.com/news/biden-still-considering-forcing-vaccine-testing-requirements-for-domestic-travel

    1. damikesc   4 years ago

      Where is Lee Harvey Oswald when we need him?

      1. Gray_Jay   4 years ago

        It was Guy Fawkes Day, just a few days ago...

      2. Seamus   4 years ago

        Domestic terrorist! Right here! Secret Service, get a subpoena to search Reason's searchers, find damikesc's identify, and throw him in D.C. Jail with the other insurrectionists!

        1. Mother's Lament   4 years ago

          I can never tell parody anymore. Jeff, Mike and sarc ruined my detector.

        2. damikesc   4 years ago

          No, I'm just worried he might rise from the dead and do something bad to Puddin' Pops Biden and nobody wants that. We need him to not kill this President. Totally.

          We LOVE the Fascis...oops, I mean President.

        3. Mike Laursen   4 years ago

          Is it disappointing to you that nobody is actually going to do that. Hurts the right-wing victimhood narrative.

          1. damikesc   4 years ago

            Feel free to do so, Mikey.

          2. Seamus   4 years ago

            If the authorities are anything like former U.S. Attorney Preet Bharara (who subpoenaed Reason's records to try to figure out who had posted comments calling for the woodchippering of judges), they'd certainly do it if they thought they could get away with it.

            1. Mike Laursen   4 years ago

              Yes, I'm aware of the woodchipper incident. So far, no equivalent has happened.

              1. Tameika Fedorchak   4 years ago

                No insurrection happened on January 6th and no capitol police were beaten to death with fire extinguishers either, yet you still pretend those things happened. There are, on the other hand, hundreds of people still in solitary confinement getting raped and beaten nearly to death by racist guards on a daily basis after 10 months without any charges being filed.

    2. I, Woodchipper   4 years ago

      I will drive. Fuck these fascists.

      1. R Mac   4 years ago

        Changing my vacation plans from flying to Maine, to driving to Michigan’s upper peninsula next year.

        1. Quo Usque Tandem   4 years ago

          I just spent several days up there. It's not Maine but pretty in it's own way.

          Didn't see any deer, as I'm told the wolves [now numbering around 1200] have eaten most of them. I expect they will head South this winter when the Straits freezes over.

          1. R Mac   4 years ago

            I live in the woods in the LP. Deer in my yard almost every day, so don’t care about deer.

        2. JesseAz   4 years ago

          Visiting Sarc?

          1. R Mac   4 years ago

            We’re going to meet for a concert.

        3. Chumby   4 years ago

          I’ll send you a pine cone and some lobstah. Have dun in the UP.

    3. CE   4 years ago

      38%. Is that a new low for the modern era?

  30. Fist of Etiquette   4 years ago

    Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R–Ga.) recently toured the Washington, D.C., jail, and found herself drawn to the Nation of Islam due to the group's pro-ivermectin slant.

    The enemy of her enemy is her new faith. Rock that bow tie.

    1. Red Rocks White Privilege   4 years ago

      Insh' Allah

  31. JesseAz   4 years ago

    White house press sec can't name a single thing the administration is doing to lower energy prices.

    https://www.dailywire.com/news/watch-white-house-cant-name-a-single-thing-biden-is-considering-doing-to-lower-gas-prices

    How about not shutting down more gas pipelines?

    1. Don't look at me!   4 years ago

      Wait, not true. SleepyJoe is begging opec for more oil.

    2. R Mac   4 years ago

      This chick filling in for Psaki isn’t nearly as good of a liar. When asked if “considering” shutting down line 5 she denied it. But then admitted they are studying it. Because that’s very different.

      1. Earth Skeptic   4 years ago

        Clearly an apprentice liar.

      2. Chumby   4 years ago

        A pstudy can lead to a pshutdown.

      3. Fats of Fury   4 years ago

        Psufferin Psuccotash.

  32. Fist of Etiquette   4 years ago

    The House committee investigating the events of January 6 has subpoenaed Michael Flynn, John Eastman, and others.

    Spending more time on that than on the largest mass shooting in US history.

    1. Super Scary   4 years ago

      Is this in reference to the Las Vegas shooting in 2017? I always thought it was weird that we don't know more about that.

      1. Fats of Fury   4 years ago

        Oops! The Federal Bureau of Instigation accidentally stored Stephen Paddock's file on Hillary's server. Darn the luck.

  33. Fist of Etiquette   4 years ago

    Alec Baldwin wants police on movie sets to monitor guns.

    Like Harvey Weinstein pledging to take on the NRA in an effort to deflect from his sins.

  34. Cyto   4 years ago

    Brought forward from brickbat

    Today in propaganda:

    NBC Today Show with "Important testimony in the Kyle Rittenhouse murder trial"...

    One of the men shot testified that he was at the rally as a volunteer medic and he feared for his life after watching Rittenhouse kill someone in front of him.

    Cut to Grosskrautz saying he only pulled his gun because he was trying to protect himself and others.

    No mention of the moment that every legal observer on the internet pointed out... That he testified that Rittenhouse held fire until the moment that Grosskrautz pointed his gun at him.

    So if you watch NBC news, it is clear that "the walls are closing in" and a conviction is obvious and immenent.

    NPR goes a lot further:

    https://www.npr.org/2021/11/08/1053567574/kyle-rittenhouse-trial-gaige-grosskreutz-testimony-kenosha

    This article paints Grosskrautz as a heroic figure, selflessly devoting his life to helping others, gunned down and maimed by a murderous white supremacist vigilante thug.

    If you follow any of the more in-depth reporting, you know that this is a self-serving and highly inaccurate portrait. The dude has domestic violence troubles, an extensive online history as an activist who is comfortable with violent action and generally nothing at all like the portrait they tried to paint. In contrast to the tearful testimony that NPR describes as he says he couldn't kill anyone, that isn't who he is or who he wants to be... He told his brother immediately after the incident that he was going to blow the kid's head off.

    So two worlds. A world of corporate media working in lockstep with the establishment to pedal a narrative that is at odds with reality, and a world of independent voices of various ideologies and levels of trustworthiness that at least contain a these of truth running through the mess somewhere.

    1. Commenter_XY   4 years ago

      POTUS Trump was right about the media (sadly). They are enemies of the truth, and of our people. The MSM are utterly loathesome and worthless.

    2. Griffin3   4 years ago

      I pull up google news. 18 out of the first 20 articles paint the picture of Grosskreutz as a medic just trying to to help by not chasing Kyle down and trying to help him, while at the same time characterizing him as an active shooter. And then in many cases including the same video clip where he admits that Kyle did not shoot anyone who was backing up, did not shoot him until he raised his gun and pointed it at Kyle.

      I can understand that the news organizations want a riot, want the people to be outraged when the verdict is seemingly at odds to the way the trial video shows it going. I can understand them seeing the results of an acquittal, and the ensuing riots, as a big money-making opportunity for themselves. I can see the news media directing the reporters to cover the case in a certain way. But then they include the video of what is actually said, which completely destroys their credibility.

      In a way, this is the same root cause of the $450K payouts to immigrant children. These people writing the articles are so rooted in their narratives, that they cannot parse the information directly in front of them. They continue to destroy their own stories, while probably dimply pleased, thinking they are doing the Right Thing for the party all along.

      1. Red Rocks White Privilege   4 years ago

        The media really is the enemy of the people.

        1. Earth Skeptic   4 years ago

          But a champion for The People. As in The People's Socialist Democratic Republic.

          1. Sevo   4 years ago

            And The Workers, too!

            1. Chumby   4 years ago

              Wokers of the world unite

      2. Rev. Arthur L. Kuckland   4 years ago

        How does that destroy the media's credibility? The left still believe them

    3. Fats of Fury   4 years ago

      NBC news?
      The ones who edited George Zimmerman's 911 call to make him look racist?
      The ones who outed a Kennedy rape victim?
      The one who blew up a truck indicating GM did it?
      Brian Williams?
      Matt Lauer?
      Katy Couric?
      THAT NBC NEWS?
      Unpossible.

  35. Fist of Etiquette   4 years ago

    Green Bay Packers quarterback Aaron Rodgers says he didn't expect blowback for his vaccine stance.

    No one expects the Pharmaceutical Inquisition.

    1. Cyto   4 years ago

      And like everything today, the political focus buried the lede.

      This doofus thinks homeopathic nosodes are going to do something helpful.

      It is the 21st century. We have the internet. Even if you have a failed public school science education, the reality of homeopathy can be adduced very quickly with a simple Google search. It is a really stupid premise to begin with, but having places like ScienceBasedMedicine to rely on for some perspective and information really makes this position indefensible.

      That said.... Why is this an issue? You have your vaccine. His health does not affect you. So we are done. How this became a left-right issue is baffling (particularly since the left quite violently switched sides on this one midstream)

      1. Sevo   4 years ago

        "...How this became a left-right issue is baffling..."

        Not to me: the left wants control.

        1. kcuch   4 years ago

          The strategy is to force the people to acknowledge obvious lies daily and force them to repeat them as necessary while suppressing any indication that they know it is utter horseshit.

          Any left, right, or center issue can be used to do this.

      2. Ken Shultz   4 years ago

        Yeah, Mormons have a right to make choices for themselves, even if progressives think their beliefs are ridiculous. And when the progressives concentrate on the ridiculousness of Rodgers' beliefs, it really is intended as an attack on our right to make choices for ourselves.

        It's like when American propaganda posters used to dehumanize Germans and the Japanese during World War II. Progressives think that by humiliating people publicly for making choices they don't like, they can intimidate the rest of us into doing as we're told. There's nothing ridiculous about people making choices for themselves.

        Tony thinks our "belief" in markets and Adam Smith is like a belief in magic. Dee thinks our belief in facts and logic is ridiculous and the only way forward is squawking like a bird. If anything is ridiculous, it's the idea that our rights should only matter when other people approve of them.

        1. Joe Friday   4 years ago

          Justifying ridiculous choices as matters of religion or "freedom" is ridiculous and cheapens the meaning of both.

          1. JesseAz   4 years ago

            But you think freedoms are imaginary. Youre a good subservient dumbass.

            1. Ken Shultz   4 years ago

              I don't know what was said, but if he's saying that our rights only exist if the government says so, that's the foundation of all authoritarianism.

              And it's wrong.

              1. Sevo   4 years ago

                Asshole Joe is claiming the authority to judge your religious choices.
                BTW, it seems more and more likely that assholic lefty shits like Joe, shitlord, sarc, Mike, M4e, Tony must have some sort masochistic tendencies to show up, and *universally* get corrected in their lies and insulted besides day after day.
                What sort of weird personality finds that an enjoyable activity?
                What ever it is, I'm certainly happy there's a screen between us.

                1. Ken Shultz   4 years ago

                  I thought Joe and Dee were the same person, but they may just be reading from the same stupid script.

                  Why would someone come to a libertarian forum and argue that our religious rights should be subject to their judgements?

                  They're either trolls or monumentally stupid.

                  1. Joe Friday   4 years ago

                    Someone tell Ken that even she might find some religious rights subject to her judgement, I don't know, like honor killings, sacrifices (we can include Abraham in this one, right), pushing gay people off of skyscrapers, etc.

                    Tell her to come out from under the bed and we can discuss it like citizens in a democracy.

                    1. Sevo   4 years ago

                      Someone tell asshole Joe to fuck off and die.

                    2. R Mac   4 years ago

                      Asshole Joe, fuck off and die.

                    3. Sevo   4 years ago

                      THX

                    4. damikesc   4 years ago

                      So, for you, no difference between murder and not participating in government mandates? Got it. Quite a solid logical premise you set up there.

                      You're an adorable Quisling.

                  2. R Mac   4 years ago

                    I’m starting to suspect they’re the same person as well, because now Joe is calling you “her”.

                    Probably shouldn’t have your sock pull out “I know you are but what am I”.

                    1. JesseAz   4 years ago

                      I second this suspicion. Same stupidity as White Mike. At least this sock admits to being an ignorant leftist.

                    2. Ken Shultz   4 years ago

                      They both don't think things for (any) reasons like the rest of us do, and they both seem to be mystified that we have reasons for the things we think.

                      Maybe it's a symptom common to two different people with the same disease, and it could be that they're both coming out of the same troll farm .

                      Shrike isn't smart enough to understand what he reads, but he has reasons--he'll even link to them. Tony doesn't care whether he's wrong or right, but he has reasons.

                      This Joe person resonates at the same frequency as White Dee, and it's different from Shrike, Tony, and the other trolls.

                    3. Joe Friday   4 years ago

                      You guys are real Sherlocks. Why don't you answer the f..king questions or ask your own. I don't care if you're all the same paranoid snowflakes out to protect your right to party while pretending to be freedom fighters in the most free nation to ever exist and also independent in the one of the most well off countries to ever exist, and on which you depend so much you'd expire in about a week if you were kicked out. Liberty my ass.

                    4. JesseAz   4 years ago

                      You seem angry White Mike.

                    5. Sevo   4 years ago

                      "You guys are real Sherlocks..."

                      You're a steaming pile of lefty shit; fuck off and die.

                    6. R Mac   4 years ago

                      Sure thing Dee.

                    7. Fats of Fury   4 years ago

                      Liberty my ass.
                      Yeah. Pretty much you.

                    8. Red Rocks White Privilege   4 years ago

                      Why don't you answer the f..king questions

                      Why don't you spell out curse words like a man, you fucking fossil?

                    9. Tameika Fedorchak   4 years ago

                      Nobody finds it even the least bit suspect that a guy picks "Joe" as his first name and has all of the same thoughts, opinions, feelings, emotions and verbalizations of these as Joe from Lowell? Blast from the past. He's been trolling here even longer than shreek the kiddie fucker or Tony the AIDS-riddled faggot. It's almost good to see him again.

                  3. Mickey Rat   4 years ago

                    Tony outright says he does not believe in civil liberties as a principle. At best, for him. It is a preference that can be taken away if the government decides they serve no benefit.

                  4. Mike Laursen   4 years ago

                    What? I haven’t commented on whatever this religion argument is about. I can’t even see the original comment that started it because I have that person, whoever it is, muted.

                    1. R Mac   4 years ago

                      Then why comment at all, lying ass Dee?

                    2. JesseAz   4 years ago

                      Protesting too much?

                2. Joe Friday   4 years ago

                  Just understanding this, but apparently "Ken" gets his updates from Sevo before commenting while elsewhere complaining about ad hominem posters. Wow!

                  1. Sevo   4 years ago

                    Yeah, you're on to us! It's some sort of mind-meld, and we both recognize asshole Joe as a steaming pile of lefty shit, here for the 'easy pickings'.
                    Fuck off and die.

                  2. Mike Laursen   4 years ago

                    Yes, just another way Ken is dedicated to truth and rationality.

              2. Joe Friday   4 years ago

                Ken apparently has me on mute - I guess her ears cannot stand free debate and she prefers hiding out - but without government enforcement, or back in tribal days the elders council, we do not have freedoms, that is true. Some humans live with very little because their "government" or tribal elders do not enforce them. Maybe she is religious and thinks God provides them, but hey, the Jews in Germany and Russians in Soviet days could pray for freedom in one hand and crap in the other, and see which hand filled up first.

                This is all the more reason for us to appreciate our democracy, opposing it sensibly when it messes up - it does belong to us - but not demonizing it all the f..ing time, as is popular here. You and Ken don't know how good we have it. Someone pass it on to her. Hey, you could cut and paste and post it.

                1. Sevo   4 years ago

                  I don't: Fuck off and die, asshole Joe.

                2. Chumby   4 years ago

                  Ken mutes shitposters. When you choose the behavior you choose the consequences.

                3. Cyto   4 years ago

                  What is up with the intentional misgendering? I thought that was the worst crime imaginable?

                  1. Chumby   4 years ago

                    Josephine Friday is confused.

                4. damikesc   4 years ago

                  " guess her ears cannot stand free debate and she prefers hiding out - but without government enforcement, or back in tribal days the elders council, we do not have freedoms, that is true."

                  *sigh*. Never right but never in doubt, are you?

                  The government oppressing you does not mean your rights do not exist. It means the government is oppressing them. It's like saying a guy robbing you with a gun is proof you don't actually own anything.

                  "Maybe she is religious and thinks God provides them, but hey, the Jews in Germany and Russians in Soviet days could pray for freedom in one hand and crap in the other, and see which hand filled up first."

                  Governments oppressing your rights does not nullify your rights.

                  And, out of curiosity, why is Ken "her" to you? Ken is a fairly non-feminine name.

                  1. R Mac   4 years ago

                    It’s because Ken calls Mike Liarson “her” because she’s Dee, and she got super mad because of it. So she’s doing it back to him.

                    Joe Friday is Dee.

          2. Don't look at me!   4 years ago

            Doing what you are told is freedom.

            1. Joe Friday   4 years ago

              Don't look, doing somethings you are told - stop at red lights, don't steal, pay your taxes, do you part combatting a public health threat, etc - are necessary in a civilized society and not doing them is not "freedom" but reckless anti-social behavior which should have negative consequences. The ability to travel about freely, express our opinions, vote in elections, worship or not as we wish, own property, freely associate, etc are more correctly called "freedoms".

              Not getting a covid shot is reckless anti-social behavior, and stupid to boot, that is unless you have a special condition precluding it.

              1. Sevo   4 years ago

                Fuck off and die, asshole.

              2. Brian   4 years ago

                You are #TheResistence!

              3. Ve-Ra   4 years ago

                Since you just listed freely associate as one of those freedoms, I am assuming you are against the OSHA mandate that would not allow employers to freely associate with whichever employees they choose?

                1. Joe Friday   4 years ago

                  Ve-Ra, hey meet them at the bar later. Get the shot.

                  1. Ve-Ra   4 years ago

                    I have the shot. Get some logic and consistent beliefs.

                    1. Joe Friday   4 years ago

                      Excellent Ve-Ra. What's a nice guy like you doing in a dump like this?

                    2. Red Rocks White Privilege   4 years ago

                      Excellent Ve-Ra. What's a nice guy like you doing in a dump like this?

                      Resisting your coercion, shitlib.

              4. Brian   4 years ago

                “ The ability to travel about freely, express our opinions”

                Does that apply to Rittenhouse?

                1. Sevo   4 years ago

                  Only if Rittenhouse gets his religion approved by asshole Joe.

                  1. R Mac   4 years ago

                    Or gets invited to the riot by Antifa.

              5. damikesc   4 years ago

                "Don't look, doing somethings you are told - stop at red lights, don't steal, pay your taxes, do you part combatting a public health threat, etc - are necessary in a civilized society and not doing them is not "freedom" but reckless anti-social behavior which should have negative consequences."

                Justify abortion, the single most guaranteed lethal medical practice ever enacted. Is doing that required for a "civilized society"? How about people, like the fascis....I mean President not paying their taxes? I should when the people in charge do not? Why is that? Does the top not show what actually is and is not important to "society"?

              6. TrickyVic (old school)   4 years ago

                ""The ability to travel about freely, express our opinions, vote in elections, worship or not as we wish, own property, freely associate, etc are more correctly called "freedoms".""

                So not being allowed to travel about freely is usurping your freedom?

                1. Ken Shultz   4 years ago

                  Rights are the obligation to respect other people's choices. The legitimate purpose of government is to protect our choice of what to say (freedom of speech), our choice of what to believe (freedom of religion), our choice of whom to associate with (freedom of association), etc., and both the government's obligation to defer to our choices and the government's obligation to protect our right to make choices are properly referred to as an individual's rights.

                  Even the obligation to respect other people's choices about who uses their property, how it's used, when it's used, if it's used, etc. is properly called "property rights", and violating our obligation to respect other people's choices in regards to their property is called "theft", "trespassing", etc. Failing to abide by our obligation to respect other people's choices in other ways is properly called "rape", "arson", "robbery", etc. And all of these things would violate our rights regardless of whether there was a government.

                  She has no idea what she's talking about and no reasoning behind what she "thinks". She's just telling us about her feelings. She couldn't rationally examine her baseless feeling on a dare. Go ahead and dare her to make a rational argument about anything. I bet she fails.

              7. Tameika Fedorchak   4 years ago

                Not getting a covid shot is reckless anti-social behavior, and stupid to boot

                Being a Nazi piece of shit is also reckless anti-social behavior and stupid to boot, and yet nobody here wants to take away your right to your idiotic Nazi beliefs. Now go fuck yourself or stop being a faggot pussy bitch, live up to your principles, and try your Nazi shit IRL so I can beat your skull in and use your eye socket as a Fleshlight.

          3. damikesc   4 years ago

            What choices are us mere proles allowed to make?

            Just wonderin'.

        2. Cyto   4 years ago

          Look, logic is racist... Did you miss all of 2020?

          1. Ken Shultz   4 years ago

            She still argues, more or less, that the ad hominem fallacy is wrong. ChemJeff does more or less the same thing. They respond to facts and logic by telling us about their feelings, and they think we should feel that way, too--without letting facts and reason get in the way. They "think" what they do about any given issue for the same reasons that little girls think kittens are cute.

            1. Quo Usque Tandem   4 years ago

              JF: "In matters of public health affecting the nation's health and economy, a large segment not being personally accountable, like you, requires laws and force."

              I believe you can pretty much fill in "in matters of public health..." with pretty much anything he/she/it wants to believe. Clearly of the ilk that government should be empowered to force you to do as he believes.

              I CHOSE to get the vaccine; that was my choice based on my particular demographics and occupation that places me in direct contact with COVID+ patients. Others I know and work with have decided otherwise. Anything as invasive as to be injected into our bodies should be our personal choice, and not coerced at the risk of losing one's employment.

              1. Joe Friday   4 years ago

                Quo, we disagree. Required vaccines to take part in certain behaviors - including attendance at schools and universities - and jobs is not new and fortunately no one thought to politicize it before. If we had reason to believe the government was trying screw us you'd have a point, but there is no evidence of that, it is our government, run by leaders we chose, and subject to checks, balances, and even recall. Nor are the vaccines risky, ineffective, or expensive. Saying otherwise is quackery and nonsense meant to feed paranoids who think our democratically elected government "is the problem". That's some real horseshit that the overwhelming number of humans to ever live on earth would recognize as such, and who would have loved to be here now.

                1. Commenter_XY   4 years ago

                  There is no such thing as congressional recall, or presidential recall.

                2. Michael Ejercito   4 years ago

                  When was the swine flu vaccine required to work for companies with more than 100 employees?

                3. Quo Usque Tandem   4 years ago

                  You cite vaccine requirements as some sort of given to justify government intrusion. While I personally believe in most vaccines [whatever happened to smallpox and polio?] I also believe in freedom of choice; I do not believe in government mandates and the use of force or coercion. While it may be ostensibly limited in scope at the outset, and invariably expands and serves as a template for further actions. And we've given up far too much already.

                4. damikesc   4 years ago

                  "and jobs"

                  Can you cite the jobs the Federal Government demands you have a vaccine for to do?

                  "and even recall."

                  How do I begin the process to recall Biden? I'm genuinely curious.

                  "Nor are the vaccines risky, ineffective, or expensive."

                  TANSTAAFL.

                  Ineffective? Of all vaccines, I can name few less effective.

                  "Saying otherwise is quackery and nonsense meant to feed paranoids who think our democratically elected government "is the problem"."

                  If you want to do whatever the government wants you to do, feel free. Do not demand others do the same.

                5. TrickyVic (old school)   4 years ago

                  ""If we had reason to believe the government was trying screw us you'd have a point, but there is no evidence of that, it is our government, run by leaders we chose, and subject to checks, balances, and even recall. ""

                  That's funny. I suppose the black people that were given Syphilis instead of a vaccine could have thought the same thing.

                  1. Ken Shultz   4 years ago

                    Why should we defer to the choices of our leaders when we're perfectly capable of making choices for ourselves? Markets are nothing but people making choices, and compared to markets, representative democracy is insufficiently democratic. We don't need elected leaders to tell us whether we want to be vaccinated, buy Chinese manufactured products, or release greenhouse gases into the atmosphere. We're perfectly capable of making choices for ourselves.

                    She doesn't want representative democracy to represent us. She wants representative democracy to provide cover for her favorite progressive leaders inflicting the choices of progressives on those of us who do not share their views. Small state libertarians want to use the government to protect the individuals' right to make choices for themselves. Progressives want to use the government to inflict their choices on the unwilling. This is what makes them fundamentally authoritarian, and this is another reason why progressives are America's most horrible people.

                6. Tameika Fedorchak   4 years ago

                  Nor are the vaccines risky, ineffective, or expensive

                  17,000 deaths. 800,000 adverse reactions. 39% effective despite being advertised as 95% effective. Over 100 billion tax dollars spent on research, development and procurement with no bidding.

                  0 for 3. Anything else I can shove up your ass while I'm here? Besides your head, I mean?

              2. MT-Man   4 years ago

                By Joe's logic we should determine if Joe is actually healthy enough to be in public, we don't need someone who can't fight off any type of sickness to be allowed in public. Joe please tell us all about your health history so we can determine if you can leave your house.

            2. Mike Laursen   4 years ago

              If you are referring to me, or very rarely ever refer to my feelings about anything in my comments. The funny thing about your accusation is that you do make emotional comments quite often.

              1. Tameika Fedorchak   4 years ago

                If you are referring to me, or very rarely ever refer to my feelings about anything in my comments.

                Presuming you meant "I" and not "or", you sub-literate, stupid piece of shit, all you do is emote constantly. Just because you don't preface your histrionic screeching by saying "In my histrionic screeching opinion..." doesn't mean you're not histrionically screeching.

        3. Mike Laursen   4 years ago

          “Dee thinks our belief in facts and logic is ridiculous and the only way forward is squawking like a bird.”

          LOL, you state pretty much at least once a day that you don’t see my comments and don’t know what I have said. And then you usually don’t stop there — you prove you don’t know what I said by making some ridiculous conjecture about what I said.

          It’s sad because I almost always am making logical, factual arguments against the assertions in your comments.

          1. Sevo   4 years ago

            Feeling left out, lefty shit? Good; get lost.

          2. Nardz   4 years ago

            It is unfair that rabid animals are euthanized but Mike Laursen is not.

          3. Tameika Fedorchak   4 years ago

            So, exactly like you do, except that Ken doesn't then make himself look like a total and complete asshole by forgetting who he has and hasn't "muted" and then compulsively replies for hours to people who he has repeatedly stated are muted on his enemies list?

      3. MT-Man   4 years ago

        Hey will still have people believing that we just figured out strapping a t-shirt to your face makes you practically immune from covid, that einstien, hawking, newton, curie, tesla and countless other geniuses just could never figure that out even though it was just so simple but works so well!

      4. Tameika Fedorchak   4 years ago

        Homeopathy caught on in the first place because the medical interventions at the time often exacerbated disease process and killed the patient more rapidly and assuredly than the disease. Don't be shocked if homeopathy catches on again in the face of a "vaccine" that's killed 17,000 people and harmed 800,000 more while the public health authorities and medical establishment claim it is a miracle cure with absolutely no side effects or downsides whatsoever. When the alternative to hideous, deliberate, genocidal lies is superstitious bullshit, the superstitious bullshit is going to look eminently more reasonable than it otherwise would.

      5. Tameika Fedorchak   4 years ago

        having places like ScienceBasedMedicine to rely on for some perspective and information really makes this position indefensible

        Again, not so much when ScienceBasedMedicine publishes outright, blatant, obvious lies about COVID and its treatment. Turns out blowing up the credibility of medical science to push a totalitarian political agenda might just be a really bad fucking idea. But hey, keep sucking the cock of every physician in a 10 foot radius. Don't forget to thank them for their service like a pathetic, obsequious sack of shit worshiping them like the modern shamans you and they believe themselves to be.

    2. block30   4 years ago

      Ha! Funny, yet sad.

  36. Sevo   4 years ago

    Obama gets to be ignored by aall sorts of new people!

    "Obama hits Russia, China for 'lack of urgency' on climate at COP26"
    [...]
    "GLASGOW, Scotland — Barack Obama expressed confidence at UN climate talks Monday that the Biden administration will ultimately get its $555 billion climate package through Congress, and faulted U.S. rivals China and Russia for what he called a "dangerous lack of urgency" in cutting their own climate-wrecking emissions..."
    https://www.freep.com/story/news/world/2021/11/08/barack-obama-cop-26-china-russia-climate-lack-urgency/6339621001/

    1. Don't look at me!   4 years ago

      The only solution is to go to war with them.

    2. I, Woodchipper   4 years ago

      why is this doofus still talking? he should retire quietly like most other presidents do.

  37. Brandybuck   4 years ago

    The University of Austin has some outstanding staff. Well, except for Ahmari. Oh well, no school is perfect. Still, it's an excellent batch, from across the spectrum. Summers AND McCloskey AND Cowen AND Pinker?

    It won't be a Leftist school, and it won't be a Rightwing school. I fully expect the Whining Class to shit their pants over this one.

    1. JesseAz   4 years ago

      You are the whining class dipshit.

      1. Nardz   4 years ago

        ^truth

    2. Ken Shultz   4 years ago

      "It won't be a Leftist school, and it won't be a Rightwing school. I fully expect the Whining Class to shit their pants over this one."

      The biggest advantage for the school may be the low overhead--if they don't have a monumentally huge bureaucracy. My understanding is that the number of non-teaching staff at universities is over the top outrageous. A new school that starts without that legacy bureaucracy has a leg up on the competition in terms of cost. It's like when cars at GM cost $1,600 more per car because of legacy responsibilities to UAW members that don't work there anymore.

      And cost is a major consideration for a liberal arts education. The high cost of education still makes sense when you're doing STEM. That breaks down when it comes to liberal arts. If they can keep the costs down, being an open university dedicated to free speech and free inquiry won't be their only advantage over the competition.

      1. Cyto   4 years ago

        My initial reaction was that this is a bit of a crazy plan. I mean, of what use is a degree from this University to anyone?

        But then I thought further. We are at a unique moment in time. This may present a unique opportunity. There are thousands and thousands of young men who did not get into top schools because of diversity requirements. Schools that accept two women for every man they take are rejecting white male students with very high SAT scores. So there might be an opportunity to round up a bunch of these kids and have a student population that rivals the very top ivy League schools.

        Were that to be the case, you would see the cachet of that degree skyrocket in relatively short order. As has been said many times, the primary advantage of hiring people out of the ivy leagues is the vetting that they do beforehand. Only the top 10% even have a shot at getting in there. So you know who you are getting from that point of view. Raw horsepower.

        That means that this schools graduates would perform similarly.

        1. Marshal   4 years ago

          I don't understand their choices. Startups face significant obstacles and if these are overcome this is a tiny program which lacks the scale to impact the broader culture.

          They need to re-take the state systems. These people should develop a blueprint reform plan for university systems and pitch it to the Texas and Florida Governors.

          1. Ken Shultz   4 years ago

            People who are genuinely interested in a rigorous and open liberal arts program are being underserved in the market--and I bet there are a lot of Texans in that market.

            1. Marshal   4 years ago

              This is what I mean about small. Their goal is to open a school for a few thousand Texans in a country with 20 million college students. They claim their goal is to return the university system to its original educational purpose and rather than extremist left-wing politics. Even if the school is successful this doesn't even come close to accomplishing their stated goal.

              1. Ken Shultz   4 years ago

                Well they need to start somewhere, and if they attract enough students, others will imitate them--and they can expand to other states.

                McDonalds was once a single franchise.

                Jesus started with just 12 guys, and one of them was a traitor.

                Marx started with one convert.

                They're starting with a whole school!

                1. Marshal   4 years ago

                  Well they need to start somewhere,

                  Yes, and the place to start is an already existing, vastly larger system where the majority of students and taxpayers footing the bill agree with you.

              2. Nardz   4 years ago

                And they're choosing to do that... in Austin???

        2. R Mac   4 years ago

          Don’t forget Asian kids.

        3. JesseAz   4 years ago

          They are not degreed at this time. Just free online classes like Prager U or Standford, or Coursera.

          1. Ken Shultz   4 years ago

            Give 'em some time.

      2. Seamus   4 years ago

        The new university will still need a big office to fill out and submit all those diversity, equity, and inclusion reports to the Department of Education's Office for Civil Rights.

    3. Sevo   4 years ago

      Sorta like TDS-addled assholes shit their pants, brandyshit?

    4. Mike Laursen   4 years ago

      I am way past college age, but I got excited reading about it. My son might be interested, though — I’ve got him interested in reading books by Adam Smith and Russ Roberta. He’s just started reading, “The Theory of Moral Sentiments”.

      1. Tameika Fedorchak   4 years ago

        I hope your imaginary son fucks sqrlcasmic's imaginary wife, catches AIDS, and dies.

  38. Earth Skeptic   4 years ago

    "Alec Baldwin wants police on movie sets to monitor guns."

    But not near riots, er, peaceful protests?

  39. Moderation4ever   4 years ago

    Perhaps the lesson from the Rittenhouse case will be that having guns in situations like Kenosha is a problem waiting to happen. I can see the case that Rittenhouse was acting in self defense, but it could just as easily be shown that he was an active shooter. The witness, Gaige Grosskreutz, did say he pointed his gun at Rittenhouse but he may well also be acting in self defense. In a situation like this whose claim of self defense carries the day. Rittenhouse is lucky to be alive, because a police officer seeing him fire on people could just as easily shot him to remove the threat.

    I would ask those who consider themselves serious about gun rights and gun safety to think about this situation. Rittenhouse should not have a gun and certainly should not have been in this situation. I don't think Rittenhouse is guilty of intentional homicide, but I think he is far from guiltless in these deaths.

    1. Sevo   4 years ago

      "...I can see the case that Rittenhouse was acting in self defense, but it could just as easily be shown that he was an active shooter..."

      Translation from our 60-going-on-15 retard:
      "Yes he was acting in self defense, but I can imagine that he might do otherwise, therefore guns are bad"
      Fuck off and die.

    2. Lord of Strazele   4 years ago

      The people who violently attacked the Capitol police, broke into the building and threatened to kill Mike Pence are lucky they weren't all shot dead on the spot.

      1. Sevo   4 years ago

        shitlord, see below, lying pile of lefty shit:
        12:08 –
        The FBI has found scant evidence that the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol was the result of an organized plot to overturn the presidential election result, according to four current and former enforcement officials
        12:11 –
        Though federal officials have arrested more than 570 alleged participants, the FBI believes the violence was not centrally coordinated by far-right groups of prominent supporters of then-President Donald Trump

        1. Lord of Strazele   4 years ago

          That's even responsive to my comment. We're talking about self defense and what justifies shooting people dead.

          1. Lord of Strazele   4 years ago

            *Not responsive

            1. Vulgar Madman   4 years ago

              He responded to everything you stupid shit.

          2. Sevo   4 years ago

            Yes, it was responsive; you're lying, asshole; no one did that.
            Your "insurrection" was a protest; A-1 slimy piece of lefty shit.

          3. damikesc   4 years ago

            So, you're saying Mike Pence could've killed them?

            Because the police were not being threatened.

            1. Sevo   4 years ago

              Neither was Pence; that's some lefty fantasy. Hard to threaten somebody with a hand-full of nylon ties.

              1. damikesc   4 years ago

                Weren't the ties found there and not brought by anybody?

      2. Commenter_XY   4 years ago

        Sleep it off, Sullum. The adults are discussing Kenosha.

        1. Lord of Strazele   4 years ago

          You misspelled fascist lunatics.

          1. Sevo   4 years ago

            You misspelled Lord of Strazele, shitlord

          2. Brian   4 years ago

            “We found a stupid white teen who fought back during the riots! Give us his blood!”

            1. damikesc   4 years ago

              Funny thing, he's half Hispanic. The ONLY minority involved in the entire thing.

          3. Mother's Lament   4 years ago

            You're talking about the rioting Brownshirts and their defenders, right?

            1. Sevo   4 years ago

              We're pointing out that your an ignoramus and a liar.

              1. Mother's Lament   4 years ago

                Sevo, you clicked the wrong reply button again.

                1. Sevo   4 years ago

                  Damn!

      3. JesseAz   4 years ago

        Stroodle, are you now saying that police should have opened fire on around 15% of the BLM protests last year?

        1. Tameika Fedorchak   4 years ago

          That was different!

    3. Marshal   4 years ago

      The witness, Gaige Grosskreutz, did say he pointed his gun at Rittenhouse but he may well also be acting in self defense.

      We can see from the video this is not true. While Rittenhouse was running away from the crowd which included all those he shot they were in fact chasing him. As usual the site leftists are trying to protect their antifa allies.

      1. Eric Summers   3 years ago

        Kyle is just a young idiot. I don’t think he will shoot someone again. This will all come down to technicalities and jury sentiment. I’m more concerned about saving lives in the future. It needs to be stressed that open carry enthusiasts adding more chaos to an already chaotic situation is going to lead to this sort of showdown. Particularly when it inflames partisan differences. I’d prefer to see broad sentiment among gun owners that a citizens militia doesn’t belong in this situation. However if protecting property is deemed that important then there need to be ground rules established. You can reasonably assume you won’t be shot by an officer is certain situations. Militias would need to abide by a similar well known code of honor understood by all if they are going to put themselves in these situations. That will require building community trust before entering a chaotic situation.

    4. Don't look at me!   4 years ago

      The witness, Gaige Grosskreutz, did say he pointed his gun at Rittenhouse but he may well also be acting in self defense.
      The guy who points his gun first is not acting in self defense.

      1. Moderation4ever   4 years ago

        So if a police officer points a gun, you are entitled to shot the officer and clamp self defense? I think you need to work on this rationalization a bit more.

        1. damikesc   4 years ago

          Absolutely. Police charge at you for no reason and pull a gun on you, I have no problem with you dropping them.

        2. Don't look at me!   4 years ago

          It wasn’t an officer.

        3. damikesc   4 years ago

          And, in this case, he didn't say anything. The only warning issued was one of the protesters who noted he has a gun a second or two before he murdered her. He did not say a word (the video is rather clear on that).

    5. Cyto   4 years ago

      If you followed the testimony from the trial, there were dozens and dozens of people openly carrying that day. There were doubtless hundreds more who were concealed carrying. Two people who were illegally carrying guns attacked Kyle Rittenhouse. One appeared to be coordinating with the mentally ill guy who attacked Rittenhouse, and fired his weapon as Rittenhouse was being chased and attacked, possibly precipitating the whole thing. The other pointed his weapon at Rittenhouse and got his arm severely maimed in response.

    6. Bill Godshall   4 years ago

      Anyone who believes that Rittenhouse shouldn't have brought a gun (to defend businesses that were under attack by left wing thugs) doesn't believe in the 2nd Amendment of the US Constitution.

      According to left wing crazies, only BLM and Antifa rioters are allowed to possess and shot guns.

    7. I, Woodchipper   4 years ago

      Rittenhouse should not have a gun and certainly should not have been in this situation

      Everyone states this as if its axiomatic but I dont think so. Explain why he "should not have a gun" and why he "should not have been in this situation"

      1. R Mac   4 years ago

        I’ve brought this up over half a dozen times now with no real response.

        Why did some people have a right to be there but not others?

        It’s just more evidence that lefties think different rules apply to different people.

      2. Moderation4ever   4 years ago

        He should not have had that gun because he was too you to own it. He brought that weapon across state lines.

        The situation happening in Kenosha was not a place for any young person to be. Particularly in the absence of some adult to supervise and assistance. There is no indication that that happened in this situation.

        1. Sevo   4 years ago

          A-2, asshole.

        2. I, Woodchipper   4 years ago

          I'll repeat.

          Explain why he 1. "should not have a gun" and why he 2. "should not have been in this situation"

          (hint: the state lines thing is bullshit, he had a legal right to carry that gun).

        3. Marshal   4 years ago

          He should not have had that gun because he was too you to own it. He brought that weapon across state lines.

          Neither of these assertions is actually true. One reason why left wingers are always wrong is they invent whatever facts make their position stronger and assert them without regard to whether they are true.

          I refer to this as "debate reality". The hypothetical reality in a campus debate does not exist so fantastic inventions are not contradicted by reality. Leftists seem to forget when we debate real events there is a reality their inventions must be validated against. Since they never learned that they continue to act as if life exists only in their minds rather than independently.

          1. Tameika Fedorchak   4 years ago

            This can't be stressed enough. shreek is, as usual, lying. Kyle Rittenhouse did not bring any weapon across state lines, he used a weapon provided to him by a Wisconsin resident.

            1. I, Woodchipper   4 years ago

              and also, as a libertarian, i could give a shit about "state lines"

        4. Fats of Fury   4 years ago

          The rioters who were shot were all adults and were old enough to know not to riot.

        5. Mike Laursen   4 years ago

          You are correct in essence about his not belonging there. A technical correction: he has a friend buy the rifle for him in Wisconsin. I supposed technically Rittenhouse didn’t own the rifle.

          1. damikesc   4 years ago

            I have family members who hunt and their "kids" weapons were, shockingly enough, bought by the adults. The kids do not own a thing as they are underage.

            I know, amazing, ain't it?

            However, Kyle had significantly better discipline with his weapon then cops tend to have with theirs.

        6. damikesc   4 years ago

          "He brought that weapon across state lines."

          Irrelevant and false. It was in WI the entire time. He did not bring it from IL.

    8. Á àß äẞç ãþÇđ âÞ¢Đæ ǎB€Ðëf ảhf   4 years ago

      There were a lot of Burn Loot Murder squaddies who should have been shot on the spot by property owners while Burning Looting and Murdering; it would have cut way down on how much other property was destroyed.

      Property rights ARE human rights; property is someone's sweat and toil over years of effort, and destroying it, by turning all that effort into ashes, is the equivalent of slavery. Looting it is pure thievery; at least arsonists aren't in it just for the loot.

      1. Earth Skeptic   4 years ago

        How dare you!

        Slavery only occurs when aristocratic white supremacists are mean to oppressed black people. It was invented in the US in 1619, and continues unabated in any state or county that votes red.

    9. Ken Shultz   4 years ago

      "Perhaps the lesson from the Rittenhouse case will be that having guns in situations like Kenosha is a problem waiting to happen."

      The people of Koreatown successfully managed to save much of their city during the Rodney King riots with the same tactics--when they were being targeted in a race riot. Perhaps the lesson is that the legitimate purpose of government is to protect our rights, and when the government fails to do that, like in the case of a riot, there are negative consequences. Certainly, just because the government willfully decides to stop enforcing the rule of law doesn't mean anyone will ever stop defending their rights and the rights of others.

    10. sarcasmic   4 years ago

      Stop trying to be rational. The only question is who did the people involved vote for. Answer that and you answer all questions of guilt and innocence.

      1. JesseAz   4 years ago

        And now you're defending the obvious leftist M4E against self defense/gun rights??

        Wow. You really are pathetic now.

        1. Sevo   4 years ago

          He's also defending M4e's claim the kid should be convicted of a crime M4e imagines he *could have done*, but didn't.

          1. Sevo   4 years ago

            Opps:
            sarc finds that "rational".

      2. R Mac   4 years ago

        Rittenhouse is 17 retard.

      3. Mother's Lament   4 years ago

        And sarcasmic rushes in to defend M4E's argument against gun rights, but he's totally not a Democrat, folks. Just ask him.

      4. Mike Laursen   4 years ago

        Or in Rittenhouse’s case, who would he have voted for if her were old enough. But you have the right principle in essence.

      5. Fats of Fury   4 years ago

        Sponge bob Fry Cook weighs in.

    11. CE   4 years ago

      The funny part is that no one realizes M4E is a parody account too.

      1. Tameika Fedorchak   4 years ago

        It's not, it's one of shreek's multitude of socks. Some of us have been here for more than a week and also aren't autistic retards, so we can pick up on language patterns that people repeatedly and unconsciously use.

  40. Marshal   4 years ago

    Many in the media have focused the case against Rittenhouse on the fact that he foolishly chose to inject himself into a chaotic situation where trouble was assured: He didn't belong there, and thus he bears responsibility for the deaths.

    It's revealing these "many" apply this standard only to Rittenhouse although everyone is in the same circumstances. As usual their goal is protecting their antifa allies.

  41. Sevo   4 years ago

    "Why Aren't Democrats Protesting the Biden DOJ Over Lack of 1/6 Insurrection Charges?"
    Glen Greenwald
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgo7JXgk_t4&t=788s
    12:08 –
    The FBI has found scant evidence that the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol was the result of an organized plot to overturn the presidential election result, according to four current and former enforcement officials
    12:11 –
    Though federal officials have arrested more than 570 alleged participants, the FBI believes the violence was not centrally coordinated by far-right groups of prominent supporters of then-President Donald Trump

    1. Lord of Strazele   4 years ago

      Except there was clearly "an organized plot to overturn the presidential election result". Trump was attempting all sorts of schemes to overturn the results and that riot was a part of that larger scheme.

      1. I, Woodchipper   4 years ago

        ^ blue anon continues to amaze

        1. Sevo   4 years ago

          Ya reckon it takes a hat folded of North Korean aluminum foil to believe that line of shit?

        2. Mother's Lament   4 years ago

          Stupefying in more ways than one, isn't it.

      2. Sevo   4 years ago

        Except.
        You.
        Are.
        Full.
        Of.
        Shit.
        Not even the FBI is buying that propaganda any more.
        Tell us again about the cop murdered with a fire extinguisher, asshole; caused a stroke a day later, right?
        Watch Greenwald take lefty suckers like you apart piece by piece.
        Fuck off and die.

      3. JesseAz   4 years ago

        Not according to the DoJ or the FBI.

        Maybe according to DailyKos?

      4. Commenter_XY   4 years ago

        Sullum, there was no organized plot to overturn the election result. Are you really that idiotic? I think you are.

        If what you are saying is true, why hasn't the government presented that evidence in any of the 630 cases they brought against the January 6th protestors?

        1. Tony   4 years ago

          There was no organized plot to burn down Walgreens either, but you people certainly thought there should be investigations and even a public disavowal of the entire BLM movement, correct?

          1. Red Rocks White Privilege   4 years ago

            Why bother investigating a DNC fundraising front? Anyway, anytime these fuckos stepped outside their blue havens, they got pushed right back to their shitholes, so they're free to keep wallowing in their own high-crime, dual-caste excrement.

            The more blue-voting residents kill each other, the better off the country will be.

      5. damikesc   4 years ago

        "Except there was clearly "an organized plot to overturn the presidential election result"."

        Agreed. All of the mountains of evide...

        Wait, there was NO evidence? Like, none at all?

        Well, I guess LoS has sources that nobody else in existence has. Feel free to present them.

        "Trump was attempting all sorts of schemes to overturn the results and that riot was a part of that larger scheme."

        Man, these sources you got have to be amazing. I anxiously await you showing your proof.

        1. Sevo   4 years ago

          It'd be on Vox already, but shitlord has trouble with anything more than a paragraph or so.

        2. Tony   4 years ago

          Every time Trump speaks he mentions that he thinks the 2020 election was stolen. It's his sole focus in life. Half the people here believe his lies. "Organized" is certainly doing a lot of work here.

          1. Sevo   4 years ago

            Half-wit shitstainhas access to info the FBI and DoJ don't!
            Naah - he's just still full of shit.

          2. Tameika Fedorchak   4 years ago

            Hillary Clinton still thinks the 2016 election was stolen. When her supporters burnt down 20 square blocks of Washington D.C., beat the fuck out of an immigrant limo driver and torched his vehicle, was that an insurrection too, or....?

            1. damikesc   4 years ago

              Hell, Dems also still claim that Abrams won her election.

          3. damikesc   4 years ago

            "Every time Trump speaks he mentions that he thinks the 2020 election was stolen."

            I do as well.

            Did I plan an insurrection?

      6. Fats of Fury   4 years ago

        Except there was clearly "an organized plot to overturn the presidential election result".
        There sure was and it was successful.

  42. I, Woodchipper   4 years ago

    Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R–Ga.) recently toured the Washington, D.C., jail, and found herself drawn to the Nation of Islam due to the group's pro-ivermectin slant.

    I'm becoming more convinced that the ivermectin will turn out to be a wonderdrug for the covid. The way its covered by all the media is just too suspicious.

    1. Tameika Fedorchak   4 years ago

      It will, but only after the molecule has been modified in a meaningless way and re-released as a patented drug by Merck. The FDA approval on that is due in about 6 months.

      1. ThomasD   4 years ago

        Not likely. If only because the medical community is far to familiar with me-too variants of novel drugs. It would not only be obvious, it would be an obvious indication that ivermectin has efficacy.

        At that point nobody would pay the premium. Especially not outside the USA.

        Which makes all those sunk costs for producing the variant a huge risk.

        So no drug company is going to play that game.

    2. damikesc   4 years ago

      I've never seen before, and I'm 45 now, the press just turn against ANY medication that they do not think it worth using.

      It's not like these reporters have suddenly become intelligent.

  43. Bill Godshall   4 years ago

    "But if Rittenhouse is acquitted, it will not necessarily be because the justice system is dead, but rather, because the prosecution failed to establish beyond a reasonable doubt that Rittenhouses's actions were unreasonable at the moments they occurred."

    No, it will be because Rittenhouse was in fact acting in self defense, as all objective people who saw the different videos knew by the next morning.

    But of course, the same left wing media mob that deceitfully claimed violent riots and the burning of a police station in Minneapolis was a "mostly peaceful protest" also falsely accused Rittenhouse of murder since the first video surfaced.

    Besides Rittenhouse, the left wing mass media on also on trial in Kenosha.

    Unfortunately for facts and the truth, the extremely biased and hateful left wing media continues to lie about and blame Rittenhouse even as his innocence is obvious to everyone who isn't a BLM or Antifa supporter.

  44. Ken Shultz   4 years ago

    I'm digging Foundation.

    I wanted to hate it.

    They can screw it up by making it all about central planning still, but so far the plot has been pretty good. It's more Socrates/Galileo as hero right now. And then, again, even for the defenders of science and reason, they're mostly doing it as a function of faith. They don't really understand the predictions that are being made. They just believe in them. The whole series, right now, seems to be about faith. I don't know where this is all headed as a TV series, but they may end up portraying progressivism as a religious faith.

    The chances of me hating the message in the end is probably somewhere north of 99%.

    1. John C. Randolph   4 years ago

      It's crap, and the writers and producers have no respect at all for the source material. I bailed as soon as they went all slasher flick with killing off Seldon.

      -jcr

      1. I, Woodchipper   4 years ago

        I haven't seen it but not every film production has to be completely true to source material. it can still be good just different, and that's ok. See Clockwork Orange and LA Confidential for good examples of that. It happens.

  45. JesseAz   4 years ago

    I wonder why White Mike is absent for the first time in months....

    1. Sevo   4 years ago

      turd has shown up to lie about anything so far this morning, either.

      1. Sevo   4 years ago

        *hasn't*

      2. JesseAz   4 years ago

        Sarc did with a pathetic defense of M4E. He is even against gun rights and self defense if he feels his enemies are for it. It is absolutely pathetic.

        1. Sevo   4 years ago

          Plus, he's supporting a conviction for what someone might have done rather than what he did.

  46. Dillinger   4 years ago

    >>He didn't belong there, and thus he bears responsibility for the deaths.

    not how it works. and free Aaron Rodgers!

  47. Ken Shultz   4 years ago

    Rep. Paul Gosar (R-Ariz.) shared an anime video on Twitter of himself getting ready to fight against Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Biden--he's probably getting banned for it.

    You can still see the video here:

    https://twitter.com/RepGosar/status/1457493879003963398

    You only see him getting ready to strike but not actually striking them. My question isn't how bad the video is or whether it's a violent threat. My question is whether Twitter will ban another politician for political speech.

    A year from now, Congress will no longer be under the total control of the Democrats, and Twitter will need to answer to Republican politicians for how they're treated by Twitter.

    1. Vulgar Madman   4 years ago

      Are you saying actions have consequences? That’s literally fascism!

      1. Ken Shultz   4 years ago

        I'm saying that Twitter is putting themselves in jeopardy if they silence politicians for exercising their First Amendment rights--and this is regardless of whether that should be the case. Sooner or later, the Republicans will be able to hold House hearings of their own.

        1. Dillinger   4 years ago

          not certain more than 2 (R)s with the stones to direct knives *at* twitter

          1. Ken Shultz   4 years ago

            I think there's a lot of political points to score by being banned by Twitter, and I'd expect a lot of Republicans in the future to try to get banned--as a badge of honor for campaign purposes.

            And if Republicans can go after Twitter because Twitter censors the speech of politicians, Twitter is shooting themselves in the foot in the court of public opinion.

            Defending Twitter's right to censor politicians for expressing themselves on the basis of the First Amendment is a convoluted message. Censoring politicians for opposing President Biden is not intuitively in defense of free speech.

            1. Dillinger   4 years ago

              I mean that's what *I* would do. Newt Gingrich (R)s maybe but not Mitch McConnel's team. Again though I hope you're correct and I'm not.

              1. Ken Shultz   4 years ago

                What about the Republicans in the House?

                They're more likely to take the House than the Senate.

                1. Dillinger   4 years ago

                  admittedly I don't know them all ...

                2. Dillinger   4 years ago

                  32 (R) just voted for infrastructure ... this is where my optimism meets reality

                  1. Ken Shultz   4 years ago

                    94% of the Republicans in the House voted against it.

                    1. Dillinger   4 years ago

                      true. the perpetual crack in the dam bothers me but 94% is bueno.

            2. Tony   4 years ago

              Republicans should stop publishing their violent fantasies to murder government officials if they don't want to be banned from social media.

        2. Tony   4 years ago

          There is no First Amendment right to a Twitter account.

          It makes you wonder if you ever even had any clue what being a libertarian means this whole time.

          Not that you have to be a libertarian to believe that a private company can ban people from its premises for promoting violence.

          1. damikesc   4 years ago

            Hey, if Twitter is going to offer in-kind political donations to political candidates, they should be forced to follow the rules involved in such.

    2. sarcasmic   4 years ago

      Twitter will need to answer to Republican politicians for how they're treated by Twitter

      Revenge of the nerds?

    3. Sevo   4 years ago

      "...A year from now, Congress will no longer be under the total control of the Democrats, and Twitter will need to answer to Republican politicians for how they're treated by Twitter..."

      Note here:
      "Ex-senator wants to change the way Supreme Court justices are selected"
      https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/ex-senator-wants-to-change-the-way-supreme-court-justices-are-selected/ar-AAQv4A0

      Bullshit.
      He wants to pack the court and also make sure every POTUS gets to appoint a justice; he assumes they'll all be proggies like him.
      BTW, he's still pissed his attack on A-1 was tossed.

    4. Moonrocks   4 years ago

      Twitter will need to answer to Republican politicians for how they're treated by Twitter.

      Or else what? Republicans are pussies and everyone knows it. There's good reason to be scared of powermad Democrats and what they can do to you, there's not much reason to be scared of Republicans because Republicans never do shit.

      1. Ken Shultz   4 years ago

        I don't think we should fault Republicans for being powerless--when they're powerless.

        They have the power to do literally nothing right now.

        This isn't football where you can score points on defense. This is baseball, and they can't score any runs until the end of the inning.

      2. Ken Shultz   4 years ago

        Moonrocks,

        I think this representative is doing this on purpose in order to get banned.

        Surely that attests to some evidence of cajones

    5. Joe Friday   4 years ago

      This says more about the drooling MAGA types it appeals to then Gosar. I put my money on AOC in that fight with the pussy dentist who likes to play a tough guy.

      Reminds one of Trump posting the photoshopped pic of himself shirtless - yuch! - looking as buff as Rambo. Who does that?

      1. Sevo   4 years ago

        This says tons about mouth-breathing, TDS-addled piles, of shit.

      2. damikesc   4 years ago

        One of the two people involved has actually had some benefit to humanity in his life.

        The other was a sub-par bartender.

    6. Super Scary   4 years ago

      I mean, a politician referencing AoT is pretty neat, but it's pretty mainstream. Let me know when a politician starts memeing with some more off the grid stuff.

  48. Cronut   4 years ago

    How American shoppers broke the supply chain
    https://t.co/VAvcePNOZZ

    You greedy pieces of shit, in your big houses, ordering stuff online. This is all your fault.

    1. CE   4 years ago

      yeah, like everyone saying that doesn't have Amazon Prime and a Door Dash app and a Costco membership....

      1. Cronut   4 years ago

        They're the same people who insisted EVERYTHING be shut down, except grocery stores and Amazon warehouses. The proles can die for their two-day shipping.

        1. Sevo   4 years ago

          You want empty containers where they aren't needed? Turn the economy over to tin-pot-dictator wannbes like Newsom.
          We should have be rioting in the streets.

    2. Fats of Fury   4 years ago

      When will Time rescind the 2006 Person of the Year award?

    3. Eeyore   4 years ago

      I'm sorry. I guess it is my fault.

  49. Dillinger   4 years ago

    would be cheaper and entirely safer for everyone involved if instead Alec Baldwin quit acting.

    1. Cronut   4 years ago

      I'm still waiting for him to move to Canada.

      1. Dillinger   4 years ago

        I can't believe anyone hired him after he called his daughter a pig in a voicemail.

  50. CE   4 years ago

    It's perfectly fine to scrutinize Rittenhouse's rationale, and to lay moral blame for what happened at his feet.

    That's the standard take, but it could be also argued that, morally, a lot more people should have showed up to defend the town and its businesses from damage, theft and destruction. See Northfield, Minnesota, c. 1876.

    1. Cronut   4 years ago

      The other take is, everyone who showed up in Kenosha to engage in mayhem is morally culpable for what happened.

      The other, OTHER take is, if Jacob Blake is morally culpable, because he decided to sexually assault his ex and try to kidnap his kids, which set all of this in motion.

      I can do this all day.

    2. Mike Laursen   4 years ago

      Not one Kenosha property owner asked Kyle Rittenhouse to be there.

      1. I, Woodchipper   4 years ago

        He still had a right to be there like everyone else who was looting and burning shit all over town.

      2. Marshal   4 years ago

        Speaking of stupid arguments...

      3. Seamus   4 years ago

        Mike is calling attention to a little-known feature of Wisconsin law: People who help property owners defend their property against unlawful violence without being explicitly invited to do so forfeit their right to defend *themselves* against unlawful violence.

        1. Mike Laursen   4 years ago

          Nope. I'm not referring to a matter of law.

          I'm referring to a matter of vigilantes using "I'm defending property" as an excuse to look for a fight, which is what they really wanted all along.

          1. Red Rocks White Privilege   4 years ago

            I'm referring to a matter of vigilantes using "I'm defending property" as an excuse to look for a fight, which is what they really wanted all along.

            If only, a lot more of Mike's allies would be dead.

          2. Sevo   4 years ago

            So you're just spouting more bullshit? Why is this not surprising?

          3. I, Woodchipper   4 years ago

            Cite?

            (lol)

          4. damikesc   4 years ago

            Your evidence that Kyle, who video shows retreating the entire time, was looking for a fight is...what?

            More evidence exists of the prosecution's star witness looking for a fight, mind you. His injury is what you call karma.

    3. ThomasD   4 years ago

      Rosenbaum doesn't light that dumpster on fire Rittenhouse doesn't leave his group to go put it out.

      Arson, in and of itself, is a wrong.

      Ignoring that, when discussing moral culpability seems of questionable morality.

  51. Unicorn Abattoir   4 years ago

    Alec Baldwin wants police on movie sets to monitor guns to say anything that will keep him from being financially ruined by lawsuits.

    1. Chumby   4 years ago

      He will at least take a shot at it.

    2. Dillinger   4 years ago

      >>keep him from being financially ruined by lawsuits.

      bullseye!

  52. Sevo   4 years ago

    It seems more and more likely that assholic lefty shits like Joe, shitlord, sarc, Mike, M4e, Tony must have some sort masochistic tendencies to show up, and *universally* get corrected in their lies and insulted besides day after day.
    What sort of weird personality finds that an enjoyable activity?
    What ever it is, I'm certainly happy there's a screen between us.

    1. Joe Friday   4 years ago

      Sevo, I come for the easy pickings, though you're low enough hanging fruit to have dragged all the wayto the ground and not worth the shot. Hey, if I wanted to debate diaper brands or some other fecal centered issue you are so fascinated with, you'd be my 1st choice, but alas, i stopped throwing it as I hit toddler hood.

      As for the rest of the responses by your snowflake buddies, make my day.

      1. Sevo   4 years ago

        You come for WHAT?.
        If there's a comment you've posted which hasn't been shoved back into your face, I missed it.
        Fuck off and die, masochistic asshole.

      2. 5.56   4 years ago

        "I come for the easy pickings"

        And you fail at that as well. You are so detached from reality, your presence is comedy gold to us.

  53. WuzYoungOnceToo   4 years ago

    It's perfectly fine to scrutinize Rittenhouse's rationale, and to lay moral blame for what happened at his feet.

    Scrutinize his rationale? Sure. But assign moral blame him for a group of violent assholes choosing...of their own free will...the chase and assault him simply because you, I or anyone else think he shouldn't have been there? WTF is wrong with you?

    1. Joe Friday   4 years ago

      Wuz, those who pursued him witnessed him shooting and killing someone and no doubt did not have the full police report on who was the aggressor and most likely had no other goal than to disarm what they perceived to be a dangerous nut.

      1. Marshal   4 years ago

        most likely had no other goal than to disarm

        Again Joe's fantasies are sufficient to proclaim his allies innocent even as he uses non-legal justifications to pronounce guilt on his enemies, such as that the mere presence of an enemy is a "provocation" justifying an attack.

        1. Tony   4 years ago

          The gun nuts were there to "protect property" on a vigilante basis, so what's wrong with chasing down an active shooter to prevent further death? That's what you're supposed to do in the Wild West, right?

          1. Marshal   4 years ago

            It's interesting to witness how left wingers manipulate language to reach conclusions they know the truth won't support. This is why critics are rebranded "domestic terrorists" so they can send the FBI after them. Similarly Rittenhouse wasn't an "active shooter" which refers to someone killing indiscriminately. In fact he repeatedly demonstrated great restraint shooting only at people who were attacking him.

            Also note how left wingers devolve into casual slurs like "gun nuts" when the facts don't support them, but somehow these slurs are never directed at allied left wingers carrying guns. Further they try to portray Rittenhouse as violent rather than those who instigated each attack or those who tried to burn a gas station.

            The consistent position of the left is to support anything including violence from their Team and attack anything including silence from the other. This discrepancy shows how morally and intellectually bankrupt they are.

            1. Tony   4 years ago

              I am actually quite precise and judicious in my use of language.

              1. Marshal   4 years ago

                I am actually quite precise and judicious in my use of language.

                It never occurred to me your lies might not be on purpose.

                1. Tony   4 years ago

                  Aw thanks.

              2. Dariush   4 years ago

                Lol, that’s a good one Tony.

          2. Red Rocks White Privilege   4 years ago

            Only if you're shooting white liberals.

      2. Commenter_XY   4 years ago

        Too bad the video does not support your fantasy = those who pursued him witnessed him shooting and killing someone and no doubt did not have the full police report on who was the aggressor and most likely had no other goal than to disarm what they perceived to be a dangerous nut.

      3. JesseAz   4 years ago

        Why are you completely ignoring the very first encounter? And the fact that the secondary encounter occurred as Kyle ran to the police line?

      4. Mike Laursen   4 years ago

        It’s like the stupid “Ashli Babbitt was unarmed!” argument. There is no way the police officers could know that at the time.

        1. Sevo   4 years ago

          So cops are justified at shooting just anyone, right, asshole?

        2. Uilleam   4 years ago

          Go die in a fire.

        3. Dillinger   4 years ago

          need to self-edit before posting.

          1. Sevo   4 years ago

            He DOES!

        4. damikesc   4 years ago

          The cops behind her were not firing. And the pig who shot her saw her hands when he did so and there was no gun in either one.

      5. WuzYoungOnceToo   4 years ago

        Wuz, those who pursued him witnessed him shooting and killing someone

        No, they did not. And certainly none of those who assaulted him ever saw any such thing. And those who DID witness the first shooting knew that Rittenhouse was being chased and assaulted then as well.

        The bullshit you're spewing was transparent and stupid when it first being spewed last year. It's no less stupid and dishonest now.

  54. Jerry B.   4 years ago

    "...there are good reasons to think the trial might culminate in an acquittal—a verdict that could cause a mass meltdown within the mainstream media and among Democratic politicians, who have already branded Rittenhouse a domestic terrorist."

    From your lips to God's ear.

  55. CE   4 years ago

    The administration also argued there aren't grounds for "emergency" relief...

    But there ARE grounds for an emergency rule-making process?

  56. John C. Randolph   4 years ago

    The only person benefitting from this fracas is that asshole Nifong. He's no longer the scummiest persecutor in the USA.

    -jcr

    1. Marshal   4 years ago

      Former prosecutor anyway. At least N Carolina finally got its shit together.

  57. Jerry B.   4 years ago

    And to top off Democrat's bad day...

    "But court records show that the vast majority of the roughly 650 people federally charged in the riot were not part of far-right groups or premeditated conspiracies to attack the Capitol. Rather, many were an array of everyday Americans that included community leaders, small-business owners, teachers and yoga instructors. One wore his work badge, another a jacket with his phone number on the back. About 573 have no known affiliation with an extremist group, according to a Post analysis of court filings and public records as of Nov 3."

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2021/11/09/rioters-charges-arrests-jan-6-insurrection/

    1. Sevo   4 years ago

      And the remaining ones were NOT registered D's right?
      M4e, turd, tony, shitlord, asshole Joe, sarc hardest hit,

    2. awildseaking   4 years ago

      Wow. It's almost like ordinary Americans had legitimate questions about the election and, when ignored and dismissed by their elected officials, took it upon themselves to remind them who is really in charge.

      Unpopular hot take, but Democrats intentionally dodged questions about election rules and pushed the "Big Lie" lie, not because they actually cared about Biden and the election, but as bait to piss off ordinary Americans and push them to civil unrest to hurt Trump's chances of re-election in 2024.

      It backfired pretty hard.

      1. Gray_Jay   4 years ago

        "It backfired pretty hard."

        We'll see. Right now, they're still able to point to the scoreboard. That may change in '22---if the VA elections are any guide---and it may not.

      2. waxliberty   4 years ago

        "It's almost like ordinary Americans had legitimate questions about the election"

        Like what? The PA vote by mail state constitution whining? That's not "legitimate questions about an election", that's a whine fest about voting by mail in a pandemic.

        It's pure propaganda and anti-democracy drivel, you can keep repeating the lie that it is just about "legitimate questions" as much as you like but still doesn't change that none were raised beyond viral hysteria about anecdotes common in every election.

        Or did I miss the anecdote of gold in the avalanche of horsesh*t?

        1. damikesc   4 years ago

          "That's not "legitimate questions about an election", that's a whine fest about voting by mail in a pandemic."

          Sure, it was illegal. But who cares? WE WON!!!

          You're going to dislike this line of thinking.

          1. waxliberty   4 years ago

            I do like the breathless dedication to the propaganda.

            You know full well voting by mail in Pennsylvania was not illegal, that no court has found it so, and that the Republican-led general assembly passed Act 77. This is the political equivalent of screeching "abortions should be forbidden by the Constitution!" and thereby "proving" that abortions have been conducted illegally for decades.

            You also know full well that voting by mail is not fraud, yet will still use this kind of empty propaganda to back all the hysteria about "fraudulent election", "election validity questions" and "stolen election".

            You also know full well it is right-wing restrictions on e.g. minority voting that have historically run afoul of actual legal recriminations for violating the Constitution and Voting Rights Act. And that when you threaten retaliation, you mean that sort of thing and not a reciprocal threat to ... say, also allow mail-in voting (the horror).

            It is probably difficult to draw the line at this point where you are manipulating others and simply being manipulated yourself. It is a deep culture of lies and it is a part of tribal identity now. Being called out for lying is a badge of honor, a sign of belonging, a new grievance to prove you are entitled to lead with corruption or violence because you are a tribe of victims.

            Thanks for sharing.

            1. 5.56   4 years ago

              Jesus Christ, your entire post is basically just talking to yourself, like a self-involved, confused, corner-of-the-room sitter.

              Looks like you are the master of straw mans. Telling from your twatter pic, that's probably because you ARE a straw man.

              1. waxliberty   4 years ago

                Feel free to diagram the straw man fallacy, dear logic jedi who somehow only posts inarticulate insults.

                Commenter above did indeed argue that the PA vote by mail grandstanding by Hawley et al equated to "Sure, it was illegal. But who cares? WE WON!!! You're going to dislike this line of thinking."

                So the argument was made, my response is above. I understand you don't like how it sounds, but that's because that's how it is.

    3. Tony   4 years ago

      Everyone always knew it was a mixture of organized neo-Nazis and ignorant Facebook dupes.

      The interesting question is why are you political allies with neo-Nazis?

      1. damikesc   4 years ago

        Only people allied with neo-Nazis are Democrats. I mean, Democrats did claim they were tiki torch carriers in Virginia.

        And can you link to the "neo-Nazis" in DC on 1/6? Names?

        1. waxliberty   4 years ago

          google search?

          https://jewishchronicle.timesofisrael.com/neo-nazis-qanon-and-camp-auschwitz-symbols-on-display-at-capitol-riots/

          1. 5.56   4 years ago

            The tiki torch carriers were planted by lefty shits to discredit Youngkin. And using a bunch of looneys to represent all Trump supporters, I mean, you know the story:

            All Democrats are political allies of communists and marxists.

            1. waxliberty   4 years ago

              One can only appreciate the juxtaposition

              "using a bunch of looneys to represent all Trump supporters" (bad)

              "all Democrats are political allies of communists and marxists" (good)

  58. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   4 years ago

    If anything, it seems likely that Grosskreutz's answer would tend to support Rittenhouse's contention that he acted in self-defense.

    As does the video. Anna Kasparian at TYT had to apologize because she had been mischaracterizing the Rittenhouse situation for a year and then when someone carefully pointed out... the video, in an extremely rare move, Kasparian apologized.

  59. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   4 years ago

    We count among our numbers university presidents: Robert Zimmer, Larry Summers, John Nunes, and Gordon Gee, and leading academics, such as Steven Pinker, Deirdre McCloskey, Leon Kass, Jonathan Haidt, Glenn Loury, Joshua Katz, Vickie Sullivan, Geoffrey Stone, Bill McClay, and Tyler Cowen.

    Ok, Hitler, whatever you say.

  60. damikesc   4 years ago

    That Biden is still considering DOMESTIC PASSPORTS for travel should be a massive red flag to anybody. This is pure fascism at this point.

    1. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   4 years ago

      COVID passports of any kind are a right wing conspiracy theory.

    2. Don't look at me!   4 years ago

      Two weeks to flatten the curve.

    3. ElvisIsReal   4 years ago

      And they are doing this all KNOWING the jab doesn't stop transmission.

      1. I, Woodchipper   4 years ago

        calling it the 'jab' is a dog whistle to white supremacists dont you know that?

  61. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   4 years ago

    Another woman from Fairfax speaks up on teacher's union: "They would keep schools closed forever if they could. They'd keep our kids online until the 7th booster."

    When Biden voters are starting to figure out the truth, you know you're on the downhill slide.

    Pretty soon, Biden voters might even be shows video from the head of the CDC and Biden himself saying that "with the vaccine" you "won't get sick, nor can you carry or spread the virus".

    1. waxliberty   4 years ago

      Polio vaccine wasn't 100% either. You really wish we'd had a rumor-driven explosion of hysteria that drove everyone to reject the polio vaccine so we could all still have kids with polio today?

      1. damikesc   4 years ago

        I don't remember polio vaccine boosters every 4 or 5 months. Can you provide any citation of the rapid degradation of its efficacy?

        1. waxliberty   4 years ago

          The polio virus also mutated.

          If you are interested in the science behind vaccines why not read up on the topic? (I mean in scientific sources, not hyper-partisan/propaganda/grievance media sources?)

  62. Michael Ejercito   4 years ago

    The prosecutors sure keep asking questions during trial to which they do not know the answer.

  63. mad.casual   4 years ago

    Another angle on the Kenosha shooting:

    FBI aerial surveillance video shows never-before-seen actions before Kyle Rittenhouse shot unarmed man

    (CNN) - New FBI infrared aerial surveillance video played in Kyle Rittenouse's homicide trial Wednesday provides a unique angle into the final moments before the teenager fatally shot Joseph Rosenbaum during the unrest in Kenosha, Wisconsin, last August.

    The infrared video, grainy and shot from 8,500 feet overheard, shows Rittenhouse, labeled as Person of Interest Two, hustling along a sidewalk and passing Rosenbaum, labeled as Person of Interest One, who is positioned next to a cluster of parked cars.

    Admittedly, the spuriousness of it is spurious, but still *FBI* *satellite footage* of domestic civil unrest? WHAT. THE. HOLY. FUCK!?!

    Just imagine if the SS had satellite footage of all the Brown Shirts' shennanigans or if the FBI had satellite footage of all of MLK's civil unrest.

    1. mad.casual   4 years ago

      Dammit!

    2. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   4 years ago

      Imagine just being a person of interest!

    3. Zeb   4 years ago

      That's a pretty low flying satellite. I think it might have been a helocopter.

      1. mad.casual   4 years ago

        Yeah, realized after I posted that it was 8,500 ft. and not 85,000.

        Even if a helicopter, still kinda astounding that, with everything going on, they managed to get footage of the shooting. As per the point D.R.(P.) obliquely raises, almost like it's not a coindedence that Rosenbaum was POI #1.

        1. Zeb   4 years ago

          Yes, does seem rather remarkable.

          And from what I saw, it should help the defense too.

          1. mad.casual   4 years ago

            And from what I saw, it should help the defense too.

            Not sure it helps the defense any more than the on-the-scenes footage, but maybe. Still lots of weird, unanswered questions in thinking that the prosecutors seems to know/knew the FBI had the footage or the FBI volunteered it.

    4. Red Rocks White Privilege   4 years ago

      I guess the presence of FBI drones would explain their "Boogaloo Boi" front group being there.

  64. Brian   4 years ago

    “One of the Latino women speaks up and says: "They asked us to do all this work for months (referring to COVID) and then he says it's none of our business now."

    Hispanics went hard for Youngkin.

    Don’t worry, democrats: pew research has your back.

    Hispanics: welcome to “white people.”

    Note the skin color charts.

    https://www.pewresearch.org/hispanic/2021/11/04/majority-of-latinos-say-skin-color-impacts-opportunity-in-america-and-shapes-daily-life/

    1. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   4 years ago

      Jesus, I've made jokes about the left's Pantone Chart racism, Pew goes all in.

      1. Sevo   4 years ago

        Someone else who's familiar with PMS? Naaah, can't be.

      2. Moonrocks   4 years ago

        Bets on when they'll start publishing skull size charts?

  65. Sevo   4 years ago

    Well, white Mike finally showed up to make a public ass of himself (again), wherein Mike argues cops should shoot first and ask questions later:

    "It’s like the stupid “Ashli Babbitt was unarmed!” argument. There is no way the police officers could know that at the time."

    But turd has yet to appear with whatever lefty lie he's pitching today.

  66. awildseaking   4 years ago

    I'm still confused about how Grosskreutz has avoided criminal prosecution. If he were a soldier, he'd be charged with war crimes for false surrender, but here we don't try him for attempted murder? Bizarre.

    1. Mike Laursen   4 years ago

      "attempted murder?"

      Maybe brandishing a weapon. What did he do beyond pointing a gun at Rittenhouse?

      1. Red Rocks White Privilege   4 years ago

        Maybe brandishing a weapon. What did he do beyond pointing a gun at Rittenhouse?

        Uh, that's called "assault with intent to kill," dummy.

        1. mad.casual   4 years ago

          Also, based on his previous misdemeanor weapons charge, it would presumably be at least another misdemeanor, if not felony weapons charge.

          One might suspect that the officer's/DA's unwillingness/inability to execute the warrant to search his phone isn't indicative of something larger. Very odd to see someone who's so otherwise obviously filthy walk around like they're teflon coated. Would it surprise anyone to discover that one of the scumbags Kyle dirtnapped was actually an FBI informant?

  67. JeremyR   4 years ago

    That Rittenhouse is even on trail shows the justice system is dead. It's purely a political prosecution, something that is increasingly common and Reason chooses to overlook that.

    1. Mike Laursen   4 years ago

      Oh, baloney. At minimum, he broke Wisconsin's firearm possession laws.

      1. Emmett Dalton   4 years ago

        False. Rittenhouse broke no possession law.

        https://docs.legis.wisconsin.gov/statutes/statutes/948/60

      2. Zeb   4 years ago

        Did you see my comment above? The law doesn't say he can't have a rifle unless he is hunting. The law is a little bit difficult to parse, seems like if it was a handgun he would have been in violation, but not with a rifle or shotgun.

  68. Social Justice is neither   4 years ago

    So am I to take it that journalists that end up raped/murdered/assaulted/robbed when they inject themselves in an active story deserve it? Is it justified to blame them for being there? How about rape victims in general or does the whole victim blaming thing only work for leftist supported causes?

  69. Tony   4 years ago

    While it was taken as characterized here by some right-wing clickbait Youtube channel that Grosskreutz's testimony basically ends the case, it should be mentioned that Rittenhouse is actually on trial for killing 3 other people. This line of reasoning is bizarre in its desperation. Right-wingers have no shame in trying to manipulate public opinion. Weak sauce is an open-and-shut case, just because they say so on some heretofore unknown clickbait channel with an obvious right-wing agenda. And here it is at Reason, as if the reasoning makes perfect sense to acquit based on the testimony of a victim who isn't even part of the story except as a witness. Unreal.

    1. Emmett Dalton   4 years ago

      Which part of the many videos leads you to believe anything other than self-defense?

      Rosenbaum, the pedo, was chasing and attempting to take Rittenhouses' weapon - yes? Yes.

      Huber, another felon, violently attacked Rittenhouse hitting him in the head with a weapon of wood and metal, yes? Yes.

      It's open-and-shut for the obvious reasons that unbiased adults can see with their own eyes.

      But please, go on.

      1. Tony   4 years ago

        I reserve judgment. I've only caught bits and pieces of the trial.

        1. Red Rocks White Privilege   4 years ago

          I reserve judgment.

          Meanwhile, multiple posts upthread emoting about his allies getting capped.

          1. Tony   4 years ago

            Lots of people have died in the last few years. I'll care about some scummy uneducated peckerwoods last.

            1. Sevo   4 years ago

              It's a shame you're not among them, shitstain. The world would be a better and more intelligent place.
              Fuck off and die.

              1. Tony   4 years ago

                Look who smelt it then dealt it.

                1. Sevo   4 years ago

                  It's a shame you're not among the dead, shitstain. The world would be a better and more intelligent place.
                  Fuck off and die.

            2. Red Rocks White Privilege   4 years ago

              LOL, yeah, your Wojack seething really confirms your apathy, hicklib.

        2. mad.casual   4 years ago

          I reserve judgment.

          "I have no knowledge of the case and reserve judgement, but I decidedly (mis)judge the little facts I don't have in my conclusion that right-wingers are manipulating justice to their own bizarre ends."

          I hope you meet your Kyle Rittenhouse sooner rather than later, Tony.

          1. Tony   4 years ago

            Everything in your life going OK?

            1. mad.casual   4 years ago

              Just fine. I just hoped you meet your Kyle Rittenhouse and pursue him to whatever ends you see taking place. If you think that means a bullet to the chest, it's not my fault you chose to pursue him that adamently and/or see yourself as a child molester/arsonist.

              1. Tony   4 years ago

                I am firmly ensconced in my liberal enclave. The only time I encounter overweight semi-literate rednecks is if I get caught speeding.

        3. John C. Randolph   4 years ago

          Rittenhouse is innocent, and you're a moron.

          -jcr

        4. damikesc   4 years ago

          "I reserve judgment. I've only caught bits and pieces of the trial."

          Video of the incident is widely available.

          I'll note you weren't quite as slow to decide Chauvin was guilty of murder.

      2. 1440minutes   4 years ago

        Not a lawyer. What does the law require? If it only cares about the last couple of seconds of Rosenbaum's life, then Rittenhouse acted in self defense. If it requires the bearer of an AR-15 to show a modicum of judgment, then Rittenhouse failed miserably and acted like the child he was. All that Rittenhouse had to do was ignore the raving lunatic. That's what the armed adults on patrol with Rittenhouse did.

        1. Red Rocks White Privilege   4 years ago

          All that Rittenhouse had to do was ignore the raving lunatic. That's what the armed adults on patrol with Rittenhouse did.

          He did ignore him, you moron--they already established that Pedobaum started stalking him after Rittenhouse put out the dumpster fire.

          If Pedobaum hadn't been a useless, drug-addicted, child-molesting piece of shit, he'd still be alive.

          1. mad.casual   4 years ago

            Tony seems oblivious to the fact that the prosecution called Grosskreutz and that he testified, under oath, that Kyle was in mortal danger. Regardless of how you feel about the case overall, that's an objective prosecutorial fuckup.

            His seemingly desparate need to use it to indict, not just Rittenhouse, but all right-wingers is not the least bit surprisingly dishonest and stupid.

            1. Tony   4 years ago

              I didn't realize it was considered lawful self defense to find yourself in mortal danger and then shoot three people somewhere else.

              1. Red Rocks White Privilege   4 years ago

                If it's white liberals getting shot, it's always self-defense.

                1. Tony   4 years ago

                  White liberals run the Western civilization you cherish so much, dude. Yo

                  1. Sevo   4 years ago

                    stupid sumbitch can's spell "ruin".

                  2. Red Rocks White Privilege   4 years ago

                    You mean pedophiles?

              2. mad.casual   4 years ago

                I didn't realize

                Your ignorance of both the law and the situation is unsurprising.

        2. ThomasD   4 years ago

          " If it requires the bearer of an AR-15..."

          The legal standard is the same regardless if a person is armed, or how they are armed.

          The only thing Rittenhouse did 'wrong' before having to shoot Rosenbaum is trying to help people threatened by Rosenbaum and his ilk.

          1. Tony   4 years ago

            It's not lawful to shoot someone to protect property. The only thing he did wrong was wake up that morning and have thoughts.

            1. Red Rocks White Privilege   4 years ago

              It's not lawful to shoot someone to protect property.

              It is if you're in danger for your life, however.

            2. Sevo   4 years ago

              "It's not lawful to shoot someone to protect property."

              The apologists who excuse the cop for murdering that woman disagree, including the hypocrite shitstain, whose opinions seem 'flexible'.

            3. ThomasD   4 years ago

              "It's not lawful to shoot someone to protect property."

              Who ever said that was the issue here?

              He shot a guy who
              - had previously threatened him in front of witnesses
              - charged at him yelling "fuck you" while reaching for his weapon

              He shot another guy who repeatedly swung a skateboard at his head

              He shot at another guy who kicked him in the head, a guy who has subsequently not come forward during the trial

              He shot another guy who pointed a loaded gun at him

              In summary, he was assaulted four separate times; assault is not a property crime.

            4. damikesc   4 years ago

              "It's not lawful to shoot someone to protect property. "

              If you feel threatened, yeah, it kinda is.

              Note, Kyle shot nobody who did not threaten him. Did not shoot antifa boy until he brought his gun up. Did not shoot the first guy until a shot was fired and an item was thrown at him. Did not shoot the second guy until he was assaulted.

              1. Seamus   4 years ago

                If you feel threatened, yeah, it kinda is.

                Simply feeling threatened isn't enough to justify the use of deadly force. You have to *reasonably* and *sincerely* believe that the use of deadly force is *necessary* to avert an *imminent* threat of death or serious bodily injury (and, in some states, rape or serious property loss or damage, such as arson). The prosecution in the Rittenhouse trial, however, has done nothing to prove that any of the elements of lawful self-defense were missing.

        3. Seamus   4 years ago

          All that Rittenhouse had to do was ignore the raving lunatic.

          The raving lunatic came chasing after Rittenhouse. And Rittenshouse's first reaction was to raise his hands in a non-threatening manner and say "Friendly! Friendly! Friendly!" It was only when Rosenbaum kept charging Rittenhouse and lunged for Rittenhouse's rifle that Rittenhouse shot him.

    2. Mike Laursen   4 years ago

      Two other people, you mean?

    3. Red Rocks White Privilege   4 years ago

      Cope, seethe, and dilate.

      Bicep boi got raped on the stand almost as bad as when St. Kyle popped his arm into hamburger. As for your criminal allies, he did the world a favor by ventilating them, even though it was in self defense.

      Sic semper Antifae.

      1. Tony   4 years ago

        If you want to achieve erection, I suggest taking a pill.

        1. Red Rocks White Privilege   4 years ago

          Watching the prosecution get bodied by an autist who testified that they tried to make him change his statement was better than Viagra.

          1. Tony   4 years ago

            I wouldn't get too emotionally invested in any one trial.

            1. Sevo   4 years ago

              he lies after 20 posts on the fuck-up.
              Like turd, shitstain only posts the truth by accident.

            2. Red Rocks White Privilege   4 years ago

              Your comments in this thread aren't exactly dispassionate.

  70. 1440minutes   4 years ago

    A child and a mentally ill adult: both with zero judgment. If Rosenbaum had shown any restraint, or Rittenhouse had stayed with the armed adults who quickly determined that it was best to ignore Rosenbaum, then no one would have been hurt. It's hard to blame untrained civilian protesters for what they tried to do after Rosenbaum was shot.

    1. Red Rocks White Privilege   4 years ago

      If Rosenbaum had shown any restraint, or Rittenhouse had stayed with the armed adults who quickly determined that it was best to ignore Rosenbaum, then no one would have been hurt.

      LOL, what a bunch of bullshit. Pedobaum was a drug-addicted tweaker who got set off when Rittenhouse put out the literal dumpster fire he started and had pushed towards a gas station with the intent to blow it up.

      It's hard to blame untrained civilian protesters for what they tried to do after Rosenbaum was shot.

      "Don't chase after an armed man running towards the police because you're intent on killing him yourself" should be a common-sense action.

      1. 1440minutes   4 years ago

        Triggered much? Need a binkie?

        1. Red Rocks White Privilege   4 years ago

          Hey, it's your allies that got capped.

        2. Emmett Dalton   4 years ago

          Rosenbaum, the pedo, Huber & Grosskunt, the other convicts, were the ones triggered.

          Rittenhouse amazingly only seemed to shoot

        3. ThomasD   4 years ago

          Weak deflection after rhetorically getting your ass handed to you is not a good look.

        4. Sevo   4 years ago

          "Triggered much? Need a binkie?"

          Stupid much? Need a brain cell?

    2. Sevo   4 years ago

      "A child and a mentally ill adult:..."

      Which one are you, lefty shit?

    3. mad.casual   4 years ago

      If Rosenbaum had shown any restraint, or Rittenhouse had stayed with the armed adults who quickly determined that it was best to ignore Rosenbaum, then no one would have been hurt.

      Facts not just not in evidence, but contravened by the evidence. It's rather clear that Rosenbaum provoked and pursued the confrontatio. It just turned out that Kyle was the one holding the gun.

      1. Sevo   4 years ago

        If the facts don't fit the story, lefty shits try to change the facts.

    4. Zeb   4 years ago

      It doesn't matter if they can be blamed for their actions. Self defense doesn't require knowledge of your attacker's state of mind or intentions. Only a reasonable judgement that they are likely to use deadly force against you.

    5. damikesc   4 years ago

      So, if Kyle had decided to not deal with a dumpster fire being pushed towards a gas station (my, no risk of harm THERE), he'd be OK in your book?

      Man, you're a useless human.

      "It's hard to blame untrained civilian protesters for what they tried to do after Rosenbaum was shot."

      Probably best to not assault somebody unprovoked or fake a surrender and, instead, try to murder somebody.

  71. Emmett Dalton   4 years ago

    "a verdict that could cause a mass meltdown within the mainstream media and among Democratic politicians, who have already branded Rittenhouse a domestic terrorist."

    The mainstream media AND Democrat politicians?

    The author repeats zirself.

  72. Mark E Deardorff   4 years ago

    The judge will grant a directed verdict, not direct a verdict to the jury; since the jury could nullify his order, in the interests of justice, he must take that decision out of their preformed minds. If they are not dismissed, they will still go to the jury as to the other charges.

  73. Tony   4 years ago

    My political allies may violate all standards of law and decency. Your political allies deserve to be murdered where they stand.

    I cherish the constitution so much, I would die for it.

    Also, if I lose an election, I get to murder Congress.

    1. mad.casual   4 years ago

      "My political allies are child molesters and arsonists." - Tony

      1. Tony   4 years ago

        QAnon called. They said you're too nutty for them.

        1. mad.casual   4 years ago

          "QAnon keeps me on speed dial." - Tony

          1. Tony   4 years ago

            What the fuck is speed dial?

    2. Zeb   4 years ago

      Nice question begging. The point of the trial is to determine if they were murdered or killed in self defense. If they deserved it, it wasn't murder.

      1. Sevo   4 years ago

        Like turd, if shitstain isn't lying about something, it's accidental.

      2. Tony   4 years ago

        As I have clearly explained, I don't care.

        It's probably better for society for him to get acquitted. Fewer right-wing nutbars going on their own killing spree in response, I would estimate.

        But maybe not. Maybe they'd go on celebratory killing sprees.

        I think we can all agree that right-wing nutbars should not be allowed to own guns.

        1. Sevo   4 years ago

          As I have clearly lied, I don't care. (fixed)
          When shitstain cares, I guess we'll get a couple hundred of his lies.

          1. Tony   4 years ago

            I want to engage with you. You seem like you need a friend. But reading your posts actually gives me a headache. Try standard English.

            1. Sevo   4 years ago

              Shitstain hopes some passive-aggressive bullshit will pass muster.
              Nope; still bullshit.

        2. Brian   4 years ago

          It’s highly likely that he’ll be acquitted and Antifa/BLM will riot and burn some innocent people’s property down, maybe injure or kill some people.

          1. Hank Phillips   4 years ago

            Wouldn't that make it Society's fault?

          2. Tony   4 years ago

            I don't think you get to keep saying that the left is the only violent side. They never violently assaulted the US capitol in order to overthrow an election, for example.

            1. Brian   4 years ago

              Neither did the right.

            2. Sevo   4 years ago

              "They never violently assaulted the US capitol in order to overthrow an election, for example."

              Well, the TDS-addled lefty shits did indeed do that, while the protestors in January did not, according to the DoJ and the FBI. But I'm sure shitstain has evidence which they don't, right, shitstain?
              Let's see it. Or STFU.

            3. John C. Randolph   4 years ago

              Bill Clinton pardoned lefturds who bombed the US capitol, Are you ok with that, you pig-ignorant scumbag?

              -jcr

            4. Red Rocks White Privilege   4 years ago

              The right never tried to assassinate Congressmen at a softball practice, either, but that's neither here nor there.

              1. Sevo   4 years ago

                Nor, regardless of Pence's hiding in the garage, is there any hint of evidence that his life was in danger? No one has yet to offer such.
                And in danger from what? Were the 'insurrectionists' gonna flail him with nylon ties?
                Been mentioned every time some steaming pile of lefty shit claims 'a failed attempt doesn't mean there wasn't one'.
                True enough, but if you are going to charge someone with armed robbery, you have to show they're armed, and facial tissue doesn't count.
                Simply, in specific terms, how were these protesters possibly capable of accomplishing which you accuse them of? How could they ever "overturn an election?" That's not a charge, that's a statement of your distance from reality.
                Further, please offer evidence that some sort of organization was involved here.
                All we've got is the wild accusations of the common lying lefty assholes posting here.
                Put up, or STFU.

              2. Tony   4 years ago

                No softball, but they did try to arrest Congress and hang the vice president and cancel the election.

                1. Emmett Dalton   4 years ago

                  You poor child.

            5. Zeb   4 years ago

              No, but the left is definitely the more violent side at the moment. There are hundreds of examples of left wing violence from the past year and a half or so. Violence often with the stated intention of overthrowing the current government and social institutions.
              At least the Jan 6 idiots were actually protesting the body that has the power to do what they wanted. They were never going to do so and there was zero chance that anything that happened that day would change anything.
              What else have you got for recent right wing violence?

        3. damikesc   4 years ago

          "As I have clearly explained, I don't care."

          Lots of comments for not caring, just sayin'.

          "I think we can all agree that right-wing nutbars should not be allowed to own guns."

          Given Alec Baldwin is on your side, I don't think you have any room to speak.

        4. Seamus   4 years ago

          I think we can all agree that right-wing nutbars should not be allowed to own guns.

          What do you mean, "we," white man?

        5. Zeb   4 years ago

          So your comment is completely irrelevant to the discussion. Got it.

    3. Sevo   4 years ago

      shitstain probably still thinks that cop was hit in the head with a fire extinguisher and that Stalin really ran weight reduction health camps.
      Lefty shits don't give up their fantasies until they die.

  74. Mike Laursen   4 years ago

    https://www.newsweek.com/mike-pence-january-6-riot-loading-dock-underground-parking-garage-1647353

    “Images captured during the January 6 riot showed former Vice President Mike Pence hiding in an underground parking garage”

    But they were just innocent tourists, all staying inside the velvet ropes. Yeah, right.

    1. Sevo   4 years ago

      Stupid shit thinks that Pence hiding helps his bullshit narrative.
      Hint, lefty shit: It doesn't. All it means is that someone lied to Pence or that Pence is a pussy.

    2. Tony   4 years ago

      It occurs to me what a sweet job the official White House photographer is. Not only do you get constant access to all the important meetings and people, when the principal has to flee and hide for his life in a secure location, you're right there with him.

      1. Sevo   4 years ago

        If one ever had to do what shitstain is fantasizing about, that might be true.

    3. damikesc   4 years ago

      Trump was moved to a bunker during the peaceful protests in DC, so that is how they apparently handle totally peaceful protests.

  75. Hank Phillips   4 years ago

    Obvious negligence. Anyone with any sense checks that his qualified immunity is loaded, cocked, with a shell in the chamber and the safety and body cam off before interfering with violent looters.

  76. Mike Laursen   4 years ago

    An actual rational, detailed, non-partisan analysis of Ashli Babbitt’s shooting:

    https://www.lawfareblog.com/evaluating-police-shooting-ashli-babbitt

    “In this post, we attempted to bring a balanced perspective to the shooting, applying the now-familiar constitutional standard that regulates the use of deadly force. The limited public information that exists raises serious questions about the propriety of Byrd’s decision to shoot, especially with regard to the assessment that Babbitt was an imminent threat. To belabor the obvious, though, we cannot definitively analyze a situation without the relevant facts, and there is a frustrating shortage of facts. But there are enough facts to conclude that even if Byrd violated Babbitt’s Fourth Amendment rights, it is highly unlikely that he could be ethically charged with, let alone convicted of, a crime.”

    1. Sevo   4 years ago

      "An actual rational, detailed, non-partisan analysis of Ashli Babbitt’s shooting:"

      Oh, goody! Steaming pile of lefty shit posts a Brookings opinion/apologia which suggests the cop shouldn't be charged with murder. Maybe.
      Tell us again, lying asshole, how cops should should be able to murder people if they don't know if they're armed! Shoot first and ask questions later, right, scumbag?

    2. damikesc   4 years ago

      You know, Mike, there is video. And it's not like Byrd wasn't a known moron when it came to guns.

    3. Seamus   4 years ago

      Andrew Branca provides another analysis concluding that the shooting of Ashli Babbit was a lawful use of deadly force in defense of others: https://legalinsurrection.com/2021/09/law-of-self-defense-analysis-jan-6-shooting-of-ashli-babbitt-was-legally-justified/

      Unfortunately for the likes of Mike, however, that same kind of analysis makes it hard to avoid concluding that Kyle Rittenhouse lawfully exercised deadly force in self-defense:
      https://legalinsurrection.com/?s=rittenhouse

      1. Emmett Dalton   4 years ago

        By drawing logical comparisons you are projecting rationality and intellect onto a group that does not possess it.

        Their political heroes, their phone and their television told them Rittenhouse was a white supremacist so don't expect a rational assessment of the facts of this case from that group.

  77. Sevo   4 years ago

    BTW, Greenwald's take-down of the "Insurrection" myth is taken, verbatim, from that known right-wing news source (/s), Reuters, headlined:

    "No seditious conspiracy charges emerge in U.S. Capitol riots case"

    Note the down-grade from "Deadly Insurrection!", butt-hurt lefty shits.

    1. Tony   4 years ago

      It doesn't matter what you want to call it. We all saw it happen on TV.

      1. Sevo   4 years ago

        It does matter what we call it, as most of us (other than shitstain, turd and other lying piles of lefty shit) value that condition known as "honesty".
        And yes, we saw the protest. Shitstain should try sobriety now and then.

      2. Zeb   4 years ago

        Yes. It was a fairly small, short-lived unruly protest/riot that in the end caused minimal damage or disruption.
        People who committed crimes should be punished. But it looks like almost all of the crimes were pretty minor.

        1. Tony   4 years ago

          You must have not seen the same thing I did on TV.

          1. Emmett Dalton   4 years ago

            You should eventually open your eyes to the fact that you're being programmed by your phone and your television. It has been happening you entire life which is why you haven't seen it yet.

    2. JimboJr   4 years ago

      Im interested to see the number of feds / rioters ratio. That video of the guy asking everyone he could find "hey we need to go in there! We need to storm the capital! Hello fellow insurrectionists!!" shows there were clearly feds there trying to get people to join in. It was getting to a comical point. Other people there either laughing at him or being like...."dude seriously no, are you a fed?"

      Many of the recent protests have been a handful of actual protestors, outnumbered by 3x the number of counter protestors and media to film the "white supremacists" or "white nationalists" or "transphobes" (ironically most of what gets filmed is the counter protestors assaulting them and pushing them around)

  78. waxliberty   4 years ago

    "rational reason to fear for his life"

    That was true when he showed up at such a scene wanting to wave his rifle at people. A legal principle that yields a priori greenlight to hunt; continuing progress for shooter's rights advocates.

    1. 5.56   4 years ago

      Hey waxy bitch boy, I'm just letting you know you don't sound smart or english. A priori is an adjective and doesn't waive the need for an article before greenlight.

      Besides, you sound like a libshit-trained GPT-3. Why do weird, socially obsolete, autistic misfits always assume hard left stances?

      1. waxliberty   4 years ago

        good lord you're shrill. I understand resentment is at the core of grievance culture, but don't have to listen to it. three comments, characteristically devoide of anything approaching logic or IQ. see you.

  79. Sevo   4 years ago

    "That was true when he showed up at such a scene wanting to wave his rifle at people."

    That's a lie from a steaming pile of lefty shit.

  80. Sevo   4 years ago

    Have to admit to finding it highly satisfying that the lies promoted by:
    turd
    shitstain
    sarc
    joe
    mike
    and the random H&R lefty shit
    Are shown, by *their* standards, to be lies.
    No, there was not 'Russian/Trump' collusion.
    No, there was no "deadly insurrection", no "attempt to overthrow" the republic, no murderous intent by Rittenhouse.
    Yes, the Steele dossier was a wholly invented piece of crap, used to surveille Trump's campaign.
    Read it all, tear your hair and weep, lefty piles of shit.

  81. JimboJr   4 years ago

    Man its fun watching the lefties seething with anger today over this. Just a full all around loss for them. Their little brown shirt militia LARPing got capped by 1 single 17 year old, and they cant stop screaming he either deserves to spend his life in prison for self defense (which they see they lost, and would have known if they watched the video of the shooting rather than their Wapo article of "white supremacist kid kills innocent protestors"). Or their fantasies about what should have happened to him for having the nerve to both own a gun *gasp* and ...be in a place! Ya all those POS's burning shit and vandalizing totes had the right to be there, but the kid offering aid and putting out fires...he had a RIFLE! He deserved to get a beating or worse for that.

    The best part of their flailing is them realizing their place. Just imagine if antifa really did provoke the proud boys into a REAL fight, and give them a reason. They are seeing they are completely incapable in a fight, despite them asking for it daily, and because they started it they will be taking a 100% justified dirt nap.

    1. waxliberty   4 years ago

      Sometimes the echo chamber fantasy world can get sufficiently impenetrable to rational outsiders it's hard to follow.

      Do you have a link to this wapo article of "white supremacist kid kills innocent protestors"? I'm genuinely fascinated.

      Or do you just mean wapo covered the kid partying with proud boys and preened for cameras flashing the white power 'OK' troll sign?

      1. Sevo   4 years ago

        Did you, as a lefty pile of shit, have a point or an inquiry to which an an intelligent human can reply?
        Try learning "English" rather than "lefty shit"

      2. Zeb   4 years ago

        Do you realize that you are the one being trolled with the "OK" sign thing?

        1. waxliberty   4 years ago

          Did you notice I described it as a "troll sign"?

          Apparently yes, but you asked anyway.

          Is it your belief that the white power groups who also enjoy this trolling are not actually white power groups, that essentially white power groups do not exist? Have you considered that it is odd that rational observers outside your bubble have trouble differentiating their enthusiasm and motivation for such trolling from your enthusiasm and motivation for such trolling?

          1. 5.56   4 years ago

            "Have you considered that it is odd that rational observers outside your bubble have trouble differentiating their enthusiasm and motivation for such trolling from your enthusiasm and motivation for such trolling?"

            Yup, some lefty shit is definitely angry at the recent developments. They even engage in weird language loops because of it. 🙂

    2. JohnZ   4 years ago

      At this point I can't see why the judge doesn't drop all charges against Rittenhouse. His actions were plainly in self defense.
      Having said that he would probably have to pay a fine for having such a weapon illegally in that state. Although I can't see why.
      Two of the people he shot were convicted criminals anyway.

  82. JohnZ   4 years ago

    Joseph Rosenbaum aka Jo Jo Rosenbaum is a convicted child molester and rapist. He spent several years in prison for sexual contact with a minor. During his imprisonment he displayed violent outbursts and actions including against the prison guards.
    A true model for young men everywhere.

    1. damikesc   4 years ago

      Well, we named a ship after known pedophile Harvey Milk, so there is a track record.

      1. waxliberty   4 years ago

        "known" pedophile is it?

        Well, we have stronger evidence (a direct accusation) for Trump as a pedophile (13 year old accuser, vs. no accuser but stories of Milk having a relationship with a 16 year old which I believe was legal at the time in New York.)

        So I assume it is safe to say you use "known pedophile" for Trump even more strongly. On the plus side I don't think we've named a ship after him, fingers crossed.

        1. 5.56   4 years ago

          "BUT BUT BUT TRUMP REEEEEEEE

          OOOOOOOOOOOO EEEEEEEEEEEEE

          OOOhh

          Huh."

          1. waxliberty   4 years ago

            That was articulate.

            Pointing out absurdity and hypocrisy amid the tsunami of grievance signaling causing you to just grievance signal more is?

            "Muh TDS!!1!"

            1. 5.56   4 years ago

              "That was articulate."

              I know a lefty shit would think that. That's why I did it.

              "Pointing out absurdity and hypocrisy amid the tsunami of grievance signaling causing you to just grievance signal more is?"

              Do you even English, little bitch boy? 😀

              "Muh TDS!!1!"

              LMAO, exactly. Hey waxlib, can you please look up the definition of TDS before you make more of a laughing stock of yourself? Thank you. 🙂

            2. 5.56   4 years ago

              Actually, you're not a bitch "boy" but just a bitch, is that right?

            3. 5.56   4 years ago

              Okay, checked again. You actually are a bitch "boy" in your little twatter profile pic.

            4. 5.56   4 years ago

              And some dumb pronoun signaling too, lulz 😀

              1. Emmett Dalton   4 years ago

                Does ze wish to inform zothers of how ze refers to zimself?

                Must be from Cali, Portland or Seattle - they've lost their minds out there.

        2. Jess Sain 2   4 years ago

          It's safe to assume you tongue the chocolate starfish like an anteater trying to clean out an anthill.

  83. Fats of Fury   4 years ago

    Fuck Joe Biden

    1. Fats of Fury   4 years ago

      Fuck Joe Biden

      1. Fats of Fury   4 years ago

        Fuck Joe Biden

        1. Fats of Fury   4 years ago

          Fuck Joe Biden

  84. Fats of Fury   4 years ago

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  91. 5.56   4 years ago

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  92. Brian   4 years ago

    The sad thing is, the prosecution is doing such a horrible job that he’s very likely to get acquitted. But left leaning media has been lying to the Democrat base so long about their certainty that this guy went there specifically to hunt and kill Democrats, they they’ll see it as travesty of Justice, and possibly start riots, burn down cities, and kill people, all because their propaganda outlets lied to them about the facts of the case.

    1. Brian   4 years ago

      Hell, there’s a high likelihood that riots are already planned to start on announcement of a not guilty verdict, similar to the riots planned if Trump managed to win re-election.

    2. Tony   4 years ago

      Watch a lot of left-leaning media do you?

      Why shouldn't normal people worry about the Trumpist right having a little riot of their own considering their actions at this protest, on January 6, and their ongoing harassment of school board members?

      1. 5.56   4 years ago

        I watched it for entertainment after last weeks elections. 🙂

      2. Emmett Dalton   4 years ago

        So are you denying Brian's assertions with your question? No, you wouldn't do that with a plethora of evidence that would show you're lying again.

        For fux sake the old farter pretending to be President said Rittenhouse was white supremacist with ZERO evidence and you lapped it up like the sycophant you are.

    3. Emmett Dalton   4 years ago

      Considering the fact that all of the BLM riots, fires, murders, etc were based on the lie that police are out killing blacks for sport, it shouldn't come as a surprise when they peacefully riot when Rittenhouse is acquitted.

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  97. Eric Summers   3 years ago

    Kyles is just a young idiot. I don’t think he will shoot someone again. This will all come down to technicalities and jury sentiment. I’m more concerned about saving lives in the future. It needs to be stressed that open carry enthusiasts adding more chaos to an already chaotic situation is going to lead to this sort of showdown. Particularly when it inflames partisan differences. I’d prefer to see broad sentiment among gun owners that a citizens militia doesn’t belong in this situation. However if protecting property is deemed that important then there needs to be ground rules established. You can reasonably assume you won’t be shot by an officer is certain situations. Militias would need to abide by a similar well known code of honor understood by all if they are going to put themselves in these situations. That will require working to build community trust before entering a chaotic situation.

    1. Eric Summers   3 years ago

      Even some established practices by open carry enthusiasts would be a big improvement. They should set up and stay in well marked lines for a property involved. They should have the property owners permission. They should always travel with multiple people so you don’t look like a lone gunman or get easily ambushed. They should leave any open carry weapons with those left behind if there is need to enter a crowd.

    2. WuzYoungOnceToo   3 years ago

      It needs to be stressed that open carry enthusiasts adding more chaos to an already chaotic situation is going to lead to this sort of showdown.

      What led to this sort of showdown was a mentally ill pedophile thinking he had the right...and that it was a good idea...to pursue and assault someone (who was clearly capable of defending himself if need be) for putting out a fire. What exacerbated it was three other morons thinking it was their right to pursue and assault him for defending himself and attempting to turn himself over to police.

    3. WuzYoungOnceToo   3 years ago

      I’d prefer to see broad sentiment among gun owners that a citizens militia doesn’t belong in this situation.

      I'd prefer to see broad sentiment among those who are trying to blame someone for defending themselves against violent sociopaths that mobs of looters, rioters and arsonists (not to mention pedophiles and domestic abusers) don't belong in any situation.

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