America Still Seen as Free in an Increasingly Unfree World
Residents of other liberal democracies see the U.S. as respecting liberty even as authoritarianism advances globally.

Running strongly among a pack of hobbled racers is a dubious accomplishment, but it's worth noting that, in this troubled world, the United States is still regarded as protective of freedom by the citizens of other liberal-ish democracies. True, after years of eroding liberties, accelerated by a pandemic that gave the upper hand to authoritarians everywhere, that's not as reassuring as we could wish. But it tells us that people everywhere still value the leeway to run their own lives and believe that there remains some truth in America's moniker as the "land of the free."
"Most people think own government, U.S. government respect freedoms, but not China's government," reports Pew Research of polling in 17 advanced economies. Oddly, Pew frames the results as demonstrating lower opinions of the status of freedom in the U.S. than of that in people's own countries, even though in 7 of the 16 countries not named "United States" respondents gave the U.S. government marks equal to or higher than their own for respecting freedoms. Those countries were France, Greece, Italy, Japan, South Korea, Spain, and Taiwan. Respondents in nine countries gave the United States government lower scores than their own: Australia, Belgium, Canada, Germany, Netherlands, New Zealand, Singapore, Sweden, and the United Kingdom.
China definitely doesn't get the same kind of international love as the U.S., with a median 8 percent approval. In Singapore, though, 35 percent of the residents say the Chinese government is respectful of freedoms. Singapore, it should be noted, is something of an oddball, though maybe an unfortunate harbinger of the future, as an illiberal democracy where elections coexist with authoritarianism. The attitude toward freedom there just may not be the same as elsewhere.
Attitude may also explain some lower ratings the U.S. received, especially the 49 percent of New Zealanders and 50 percent of Australians who say the U.S. government respects freedoms. Australian officials, in particular, faced criticism by Americans for pandemic strategies so severe The Atlantic's Conor Friedersdorf questioned whether the country is still a liberal democracy. New Zealand came under fire for similarly draconian policies and already had a history of anti-Americanism for reasons that may have more to do with grasping for a national identity than with sharp conflicts. In both cases, low ratings may reflect resentful "fuck yous" to Americans from residents of countries that undeniably wandered down authoritarian paths. In truth, those paths predate COVID-19.
"The most alarming deterioration in civic space is occurring in Australia, which has been downgraded from 'open' to 'narrowed,'" CIVICUS, a global civil society alliance, reported at the end of 2019. "Freedom of the press is particularly under threat in Australia: raids on the media occurred in 2019, as did the intimidation of journalists reporting on plans to expand government surveillance."
Unfortunately, the same report found that "basic freedoms are backsliding across the globe. In the past year, twice as many people are living in countries where civic freedoms and democratic rights are violated."
COVID-19 did nothing to improve the situation, fueling worldwide paanic and handing would-be autocrats an excuse to clamp down on their populations to deal with the "crisis."
"As recorded in the Democracy Index in recent years, democracy has not been in robust health for some time," The Economist's Democracy Index 2020 observed earlier this year. "In 2020 its strength was further tested by the outbreak of the coronavirus (Covid-19) pandemic… Across the world in 2020, citizens experienced the biggest rollback of individual freedoms ever undertaken by governments during peacetime (and perhaps even in wartime)."
"As COVID-19 spread during the year, governments across the democratic spectrum repeatedly resorted to excessive surveillance, discriminatory restrictions on freedoms like movement and assembly, and arbitrary or violent enforcement of such restrictions by police and nonstate actors," added Freedom House in its own report.
America's status as a free country during all of this has been hampered not just by the erosion liberties suffered here as they did in the rest of the world, but also by the low regard in which President Donald Trump was held around the world. While far more of a blowhard than a dictator, Trump's international image dragged down America's reputation. It's risen since, though Joe Biden seems no more respectful of freedom than his predecessor, and often less so depending on which liberties you emphasize.
Which liberties you emphasize is also important in assessing the Pew poll about respecting personal freedom, since it doesn't specify what that means. Do pandemic-panicked Aussies and Kiwis mean the same thing in giving the U.S. relatively low ratings as lockdown-averse Swedes who rank America 22 points below their own country's respect for freedom? It seems unlikely that they're looking at the same understanding of freedom at all.
Instead of a real assessment of the status of civil liberties in the U.S., then, the international view of the American government's respect for freedom works best as a rough guide to international opinions of the United States. In that sense, in the eyes of the residents of other (mostly) liberal democracies, the United States continues to be regarded as a free country in an era when liberty is losing ground around the world.
Interestingly, Americans themselves give the U.S. government only a middling rating, with 63 percent saying the powers-that-be here respect freedom. That's below the median regard in which those surveyed around the world hold their own governments, and lower than the residents of Italy, South Korea, and Taiwan score the U.S. It also squares with findings from elsewhere that Americans see the U.S. government as unreliable in respecting their freedom.
"Americans have become less inclined to support trading civil liberties for security and most do not think the country is doing a good job protecting many rights and liberties" in the years since the September 11 terror attacks, a September AP/NORC poll found.
So, the United States maintains a decent international reputation as a haven for personal freedom. But that's cold comfort in a world growing less free, in which Americans themselves are alarmed about the status of their liberty.
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The world still sees the US as free in part due to unfree activities by the US government either not being reported or being reported as, “It is happening but it is not what you think.”
Don't forget the outright gaslighting. Detaining a suspected rioter for a few hours was wall to wall coverage of people being disappeared for days on end while political prisoners have been held for almost a year without discussion for trespassing because they don't hold the correct political views. Fuck this marxist tegine and their media backers, including Tuccille and the rest of the Reason staff.
If you saya OrangeManBad, you can get out of jail, so it's really not a big deal.
https://en-volve.com/2021/06/15/jan-6-protestors-speak-out-on-beatings-and-torture-being-inflicted-on-them-in-jail/
White Mike applauds the actions.
As long as they aren’t admitting them into the hospital.
As long as the vans that arrest then are marked he is fine with it. Open authoritarianism is best authoritarianism.
Jackboots with heels.
“If you want a picture of the future, imagine a heeled jack-boot stamping on a pair of human balls—for ever.” - Transgender George Orwell
Let's hope the Jan. 6 dumbasses have had some time for overdue reflection and have become better people while incarcerated.
Incarceration really is the best remedy for incorrect views.
If Antifa/BLM had done it, they'd be labeled as heroes by you leftist authoritarians. Cuz those are your stormtroopers.
"Don't forget the outright gaslighting. Detaining a suspected rioter for a few hours was wall to wall coverage of people being disappeared for days on end while political prisoners have been held for almost a year without discussion for trespassing because they don't hold the correct political views. Fuck this marxist tegine and their media backers, including Tuccille and the rest of the Reason staff."
Seething, sputtering, disaffected, delusional right-wing losers are among my favorite culture war casualties. Stomping their bigoted, antisocial preferences into irrelevance in modern America has been a great joy and privilege.
Carry on, clingers . . . but just so far and so long as better Americans permit, of course, and as usual.
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While far more of a blowhard than a dictator, Trump's international image dragged down America's reputation. It's risen since, though Joe Biden seems no more respectful of freedom than his predecessor, and often less so depending on which liberties you emphasize.
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The fact jd can't say biden has been far worse for freedom than trump is amazing.
It is, and it makes me wonder what a president would have to do — or say — to get his nod as good for freedom.
Also biden had France withdraw ambassadors. English royalty laughing him. Are reason editors just ignorant?
Parliament held him in contempt.
They are in their Jimmy Carville phase.
Trump's party of cruel, girl-bullying prohibitionist thugs brought the Don down when he adopted their platform. Most of the countries critical of 2016-2020 policies are communist, socialist and even more nationalsocialist than the Gee-Oh-Pee ever dared try. Like Hitler in 1933, he was in part pressured from below by superstitious underdog losers and failures. If the Ladies' Home Journal had lasted another 2 years it could have reprinted "Homemaking under Hitler" as "Homemaking under Trump" with a few edits.
Babbling Biden's base speaks.
incoherent
Go fuck yourself Hank. Really.
"Trump's international image" suffered among TDS-addled assholes, and why that matters is a mystery to me.
Be nicer, clinger, or your betters may stop being so gracious in victory in the culture war.
In any event, you will comply.
Jawohl.
The danger of electing a blowhard who is a pretend-dictator is precisely because future Presidential candidates tend to be rather serious about their 'principles/authorities/etc' and the last thing you want is for them to cover that up with shows of blowhard and covfefe tweets.
That's obvious with the D's who tend to be rather humorless about government anyway. But even though Trump is mainly an attention-seeking blowhard, R's (also quite humorless about government) are much more authoritarian friendly now than just a few years ago.
No, the danger is from TDS-addled assholes like you.
Been a while since we elected a president who wasn't a "fake dictator". Who was the last one who made an effort to stay within his constitutional powers? Coolidge?
Trump did a couple of things that I would describe as authoritarian. The bump stock ban which affected a relative handful of people and was applauded by progressives and the eviction ban which was demanded by progressives, extended by Biden and still imposed by blue state governors. Democrats in general and Biden in particular have given us an attempted coup on a sitting president, lockdowns, the destruction of thousands of small businesses, unprecedented censorship, political prisoners, nationwide vaccine mandates including jamming experimental drugs into five year old kids. Biden openly admits that he is acting without legal authority and exploits delays in the federal court system to impose his agenda. If we're comparing authoritarians Biden and his enablers, including Reason, are the hands down winners. Fuck Joe Biden.
lying about trump doing the stock ban?
yes u are
That didn't happen?
I described it as authoritarian. There may be others I've forgotten but nowhere near what Democrats have done.
Here’s what he really did that pissed off the EU, academic elitists and blue state media.
1. He drew attention to the fact that EU welfare states are only possible because U.S. taxpayers subsidize their security via the U.S. military.
2. He eliminated the SALT deduction and wealthy academics, wealthy progressive economists and entrepreneurs finally realized how much they were transferring to progressive taxation- then a lot of them moved and became independent voters or republicans.
A couple of the things that I actually liked about him.
And, he not only pissed off the EU, he gave the established DC elites fits.
If he'd only been a better statesman. Maybe something British. Where he could have told them all to go f themselves but with style and class.
America officially became a free country in January 2021. That's when President Joe Biden restored the most fundamental freedom of all — the right of billionaire employers (like Reason.com's benefactor Charles Koch) to import an infinite supply of cost-effective foreign-born labor.
#LibertariansForBiden
#OpenBorders
SALT is an essential supplement for sophisticated people.
Their tax returns are peppered with loopholes.
Do you ever foresee a time in the future where we will need a strong border apparatus to trap the escaping plebs in the US to keep working for our billionaires?
Duh. And Mexico will pay for that wall.
Sounds expensive. Would Mexico peso much for this?
Franc-ly, don’t make me yuan by discussing the price per pound of steel with me.
I'd like to alloy your fears, but without enough coppers it's all going up.
Typo? Or appropriate mockery?
You decide.
TooSilly. Hard to say.
It's funny -- but not ha-ha funny -- that the country that will cane you for bringing chewing gum, or kill you for bringing drugs, into the country has citizens who think it is more free than the United States.
Why wouldn't they when the US media reports with a straight face that black Americans are being murdered by police at epidemic levels. From the reporting it's much more common than gang shootings or drug overdoses so how free are people when the cops are hunting citizens for sport?
Conquered U.S. satrapies like the Philippine Islands actually lost freedom when Teedy Rosenfeld's waterboarding prohibitionist fanatics replaced the "crool hand of Spain..." Look at the murdering dictatorship now wrecking the place. Java and Sumatra resented the Dutch for being foreign rather than cruel and unusual before 1909. Would you want to live there now?
Nice vocabulary!
Would still rather live in the Philippines rather than Indonesia. In some ways both are better than the other, and worse than the other. But overall I would prefer the former ever so slightly.
We'd rather you go and take your TDS with you.
I'm pretty sure few countries on Earth can look at the US - with 2 million in jail/prison and still plenty of executions - and think the US is 'free' relative to anyone else's criminal justice system.
I know, it's tragic. And we still haven't put the right people in jail for mean tweets.
Some people think freedom includes "freedom from...". Perhaps Singaporeans think they have freedom from drugs and freedom from people spitting on the sidewalk.
All the Commonwealth countries - save India - lost their minds during Covid. I knew Canada was headed down the road when I found out about their Human Rights Tribunals. So maybe more of this predates the pandemic than I realized.
An unvaccinated Canadian that questions compelled speech regarding trans pronouns is the anti-Christ.
Are you sure that it wasn’t so much a matter of India’s not “losing their mind” as India’s being so impoverished they couldn’t do much but suffer massive swathes of death?
Yay for being the tallest midget!
Shouldn't this be treated as more of a reflection of media portrayals of the United States throughout the world, or rather the effectiveness of propaganda about whether your own government is more free than another country?
If Aussies rioting in the streets thing they are more free then what have they been told about the US?
Unfortunately, the same report found that "basic freedoms are backsliding across the globe. In the past year, twice as many people are living in countries where civic freedoms and democratic rights are violated."
What exactly did you think "globalization" meant? Consider that Biden is working on an international agreement to equalize corporate taxes around the world - do you think they're trying to keep corporate taxes equally low for everybody? No, they see corporations as milk cows with their highest duty being to advance the interests of the state, with their subjects right behind. Your duty is to serve the greater good of the collective and individual rights are a hindrance to that end so they've got to go, you selfish bastard who thinks only of yourself rather than the common good.
But, once the tax code is standardized, you'll be able to move your corporation anywhere in the world without your home country hounding you for taxes. When a country enacts an embargo or tariff, you won't need to worry about the policies involved, whether they're no-shit human rights violations, terrible climate policies, or just protectionsit nonsense or even trivialities like which side of the imaginary line you're on. You can just sit back and relax secure in the fact that your profits will get redistributed appropriately, fairly, and in accordance with international law.
Why do you hate free trade?
This would not be satire on a college campus.
Don't worry, I'm sure the "progressives" will work day and night to bring the U.S. into line with the "more civilized" nations.
Yes, we need that nanny state EU style freedom to do the correct thing were told to pick. So wonderful to have caring people being the ones to implement totalitarianism.
...behind our backs...
"While far more of a blowhard than a dictator, Trump's international image..."
Be honest. On a scale of 1 to 10, how badly did it hurt your TDS to write that, TooSilly?
the TDs is strong with that one. It Needs Butthurt Salve.
LGB!
The dogma lives loudly within him.
This the weekend after Biden of all people said Americans were too dumb to understand supply chain issues.
To his credit, I have little doubt that the kind of people that would be at the next table in a restaurant that Biden frequents would be dumbfounded by supply chain issues.
Ice cream magically appears in their freezers.
C'mon, can't you see it's because his recovery is TOO GOOD?
Tucille's reporting is fresh air. Whining dems and raging republicans should try living in 6 different countries or at least working in 4. It's a whole 'nother education. Most junta, fascist and communist dictatorships in the Americas result from The American Kleptocracy exporting economy-destroying prohibition laws. Bolivia was not "Commonist" before William Jennings Bryan preached Monroe Doctrine fascist prohibitionism there in 1910. The looter media censor out mention of "our" S.O.B.s sent there as coercive exports.
Fresh air blown from his southern trumpet.
I thought that was called "state's rights"?
Not to mention the Comstock Act. Gotta fit in here somewhere.
Step One.
Get us out of the UN. Turn the building into apartments.
We gave our Soverignty and control of our military to the Useless Nations in 1948 according to the Avalon Project Documents archive.
Democracy is a code word for Comunism.
demo kratia
Democracy was invented by Alexander the Great . He IMPOSED democracy on cities he conquered as he marched across the lands he conquered. He promised to leave conquered cities more or less alone if they paid TAXES.
Sound familiar?
The UN did a great job of preventing genocide at Srebrenica. So they get a smiley face sticker for that.
troll muted.
Did you just mute yourself? What happens?
Athenian democracy happened centuries before Alexander of Macedon was born.
^
Roman democracy, too.
So if the people shouldn't rule themselves, whomst should rule them?
They should rule themselves. Individually. Democracy isn't "ruling yourself". It's letting others vote on how you will be ruled by others. People don't need to be ruled. Just smacked when they get out of line (whether through a court system or other societal institutions and traditions).
I think we can both agree that that was incoherent.
Firstly, are you aware that courts are part of the government?
I second the motion on the "Get The U.S. Out Of The U.N. and Get The U.N. Out Of U.S."
However, I would want the building to remain nationless, sovereign, and owned by libertarians, so that we can use it for brothels, gambling casinos, pirate broadcasting stations, pirate ISPs, Gold and Silver-based e-currency, and have underground shooting ranges in the parking area.
And this will be the Anthem of this new Libertarian Autonomous Zone:
"Movin' On Up!"
https://youtu.be/FHDwRECFL8M
The sitting president of America was just seen by the world, deplatformed, censored, banned and erased. Obstructed from addressing the population for identifying election irregularities.
Free? Not quite.
More free than North Korea, sure.
More free than Nazi Germany?
Nazi Germany never happened.
Jew have got to be kidding me, who could make a glaring Misek like that in the history books?
I refute what I deny. You can’t.
How’s that shit taste?
Like a Nazi without a leg to stand on.
Did Misek just refute his own comment?
And did he ask to taste your shit?
Unlike The Holocaust, which did exist, none of that shit happened to Trump, M'Lady. He can still run yap all he wants on any medium that will have him and he also now has his own social media platform, Truth Social.
And what are you doing defending a man with Jewish In-Laws and who--say what you will about the rest of his policies--was pro-Israel?
Careful, Misek. Your support of Trump might get out and your Neo-Nazi cohorts might accuse you of being a closet Jew.
Oh yeah? Which one “exists”? The “Nazi” one which is a crime to demonstrate is a lie in every nation where it allegedly occurred?
Jews have a long history of publicly claiming a holocaust in many nations besides Germany hundreds of times since before WW1.
Playing the perpetual victims for sympathy to raise money and coercion to satisfy their selfish interests.
Hundreds of examples.
http://wearswar.wordpress.com/2017/10/31/repeated-claims-of-6-million-jews-dying-decades-before-hitler-vs-ignored-soviet-death-camp-tolls/
I’ve refuted the bullshit holocaust bogeyman story many times here and never has anyone refuted my statements.
You need your bogeyman story like a loser who fakes cancer to steal money on a go fund me page. You’re pathetic.
Crickets
Institutions matter.
It's not just our ideals, it's that our ideals are institutionalized. And it's why we are heading in the wrong direction. A bad president can't break this nation. But bad leaders did break Spain, and Italy, and Germany. The institutions were not such to weather a bad leader.
Not all our institutions are great. The electoral system is screwed, as it's First Past the Post, which encourages partisan extremes. But for the most part our institutions keep the classic liberal ideals intact against bad agents of the state.
But our institutions can't hold out against repeated determined attacks. Biden's blatantly unconstitutional mandate was struck down almost immediately. Trumps blatant autogolpe was a bit too close, and saved only by the backbone of the VP who was ordered to cheat. Both Sides.
So I don't really trust in the future, as the institutions are being beaten down. But still remaining is our idea that the government is nto king, something most of the rest of the world does not have. How long until we lose that?
So we need more government control to fix it, right? I think this sounds like a Union job.
No, less government. Far less government. You really didn't read my post before responding, did you?
Are you really going to attempt to say your bemoaning the decline of institutions was a call for less gov't? Or that said institutions are not gov't?
Public employee union for sure!
Trumps blatant autogolpe was a bit too close, and saved only by the backbone of the VP who was ordered to cheat.
Not much of an instution that can't withstand a whimsical off-the-cuff plot by two men.
In your world, what was the next step? Pence nullifies the vote and everyone says, "OK, well I guess Trump's still President then."? They recast the electoral ballots and they all come out Trump? We hold another popular vote and it comes out Trump and the electoral college follows suit? Or, maybe, the race is too close to call and Congress appoints a special commission to determine who won, again?
It's funny. As stupid as you guys think Trump is, you continue to demonstrate yourself to be more stupid.
The Republican party succeeded at a coup in 2000 and only failed in 2020 because the vote wasn't close and Trump is a moron.
Meanwhile they have been passing laws in response to fabricated election shenanigans that will allow state legislatures to overturn the popular vote in their states and such. And you will support every last measure that entrenches Republican power despite democratic will. Every last one.
The Republican party succeeded at a coup in 2000
"Coup."
You use this word, but I do not think it means what you think it means.
I've watched one political party spend decades pumping out right-wing propaganda, arming right-wing militants, installing the two worst presidents in American history against the will of the voters, and then attempt to violently overturn the last election because they lost.
If these people aren't as coup-happy as any other neo-fascists in shithole Eastern European puppet states and such, then what am I waiting around to see? I'm allowed to care about my country being under threat from within. Just like you people are concerned about the threat of black people voting in their own interests too much.
If these people aren't as coup-happy as any other neo-fascists in shithole Eastern European puppet states and such, then what am I waiting around to see?
An actual coup attempt, rather than example of perfectly legitimate elections that didn't go the way you wanted.
The closed we've come to an actual coup attempt was General Milley telling everyone around to ignore any orders Trump might give because Milley decided (with Pelosi's encouragement) that Trump's not in charge.
Just like you people are concerned about the threat of black people voting in their own interests too much.
Ah, the flailing Progressive got caught lying (again) and is now accusing me of being racist.
Color me shocked.
At least the darkies have an educated better who knows what's best for them and can tell them how to vote "in their own interests."
We'll agree to disagree about whether the ongoing attempt to delegitimize the government following a violent attempt to cancel the election is a coup attempt.
We'll agree to disagree about whether the ongoing attempt to delegitimize the government following a violent attempt to cancel the election is a coup attempt.
We agree that you don't really know what that word means. But then, you're not really well-educated enough to be voting.
The meanings of words is of less interest to me than it is to you, and I say that as a guy who actually studied words and uses them professionally.
Liberal vs. progressive. Coup attempt vs. insurrection. Like who gives a crap? Let the lawyers sort it out.
The meanings of words is of less interest to me than it is to you,
* * *
Liberal vs. progressive. Coup attempt vs. insurrection. Like who gives a crap?
Which is why you should stop trying to think for yourself - because you kind of suck at it, if you don't get what role defining terms plays in developing an idea.
I say that as a guy who actually studied words and uses them professionally
I taught composition and critical thinking at a UC for eight years. Whoever is paying you to use words professionally is getting ripped off.
Face it - you're not going to win this one - by your own logic you just need to believe whatever I tell you.
And here it is:
"Liberal" = one who believes generally in the goodness of people and that individuals should be left to make their own choices to the greatest extent possible.
"Progressive" = one who believes history has a 'direction' and that they know what that direction is and see government and law as tools for making the proper outcomes of history manifest.
Although I've noticed, sadly, that higher levels of education correlate with higher levels of Progressivism at least as often as with higher levels of Liberalism.
So far, no DOJ lawyers have charged anyone for a Jan 6 coup, revolution, insurrection, treason, murder, kidnapping, or attempt thereof.
The lawyers have sorted it out, it seems.
The lawyers have sorted it out, it seems.
Stop taking him at his word - it's not fair.
Those are interesting definitions and not ones I use in daily life, but my point is that they are rather casually chosen and casually used. Many progressives I know use liberal pejoratively to refer to people I refer to as liberals non-pejoratively, and generally I use liberal to mean valuing individual freedom vs. conservative meaning valuing enforcing traditional social norms. Progressive I take to be a fancy way of saying liberal, but as I said, I find this all very boring because we're talking about things that don't matter except to dictionary editors. Fixating on terms obfuscates things that matter.
For example, by your definition, approximately 100% of American voters are progressive (wanting to improve things about society), which suggests your definition lacks utility.
Democrats keeping talking in this “coup” language to try to rile up their base so they’ll show up at the polls.
They don’t really believe it, or else they’d demand the Biden DoJ charge someone with something serious.
They’re really proud of Tony buying it so hard.
There was a mob of people instructed by the president to cancel the presidential election. He's still out there trying to get it overthrown. He's threatening to run again on the single political idea that he was cheated out of an election win in 2020.
You are parsing definitions of words. Almost as if you want to distract from the issue.
None of that’s true, but your propaganda sources will not tell you this, because they think you’re more likely to vote for them that way. So they’ll keep talking about a coup that never happened. https://www.reuters.com/world/us/exclusive-fbi-finds-scant-evidence-us-capitol-attack-was-coordinated-sources-2021-08-20/
It was coordinated quite openly; no secret cabal planning behind the scenes needed.
Trump allies scheduled a rally the same day and immediately before the electoral vote was to be certified. Trump riled up the crowd and then told them to march on the Capitol building and fight like hell.
“ In public comments last month to the Democratic-led congressional committee formed to investigate the violence, police officers injured in the mayhem urged lawmakers to determine whether Trump helped instigate it. Some Democrats have said they want him to testify.
But the FBI has so far found no evidence that he or people directly around him were involved in organizing the violence, according to the four current and former law enforcement officials.”
I’m sorry: your democrat propaganda sources want you to believe that, but the investigation reveals nothing like that.
But they would be proud of you for believing, and hoping you vote.
"arming right-wing militants"
Really? Please just point to where this occurred?
Perhaps it was the Obama administration? Fast and Furious?
"idea that the government is nto king"
Perhaps. But the average American looks to the POTUS to be a king.....or at least a benevolent dictator. That has as much to do with how we got here as anything else.
Freedom denies equity.
Freedom denies social justice.
Freedom denies safetyism.
Freedom denies the nanny state.
Freedom denies protection from disturbing ideas.
Freedom denies socialism AND fascism.
Clearly, if we want to make the world a better place, freedom has to go.
"Respondents in nine countries gave the United States government lower scores than their own: Australia, Belgium, Canada, Germany, Netherlands, New Zealand, Singapore, Sweden, and the United Kingdom."
Exactly what I was thinking. The "freedom" from being offended, first of all [or at least the ability to sick gov-guns on those you don't like].
Freedom requires responsibility.
Freedom requires integrity.
Freedom requires civility.
Freedom requires wisdom and learning.
Don't forget, freed creates billionaires who must have their wealth confiscated at any cost.
"America Still Seen as Free in an Increasingly Unfree World"
Dunno about anyone else, but this seems just sad.
Everyone interested in freedom and the truth in America should read Martin Kulldorff's commentary criticizing Democrat lockdowns that did nothing to protect high risk Americans from covid.
https://thefederalist.com/2021/11/08/no-the-doctors-who-opposed-lockdowns-arent-to-blame-for-lockdowns-failure/
Biden's vaccine mandates are an even greater threat to freedom in America.
"During his short four-month stint at the White House, Dr. Scott Atlas worked to better protect older Americans while urging the return of children to school."
So the kids could catch it, take it home and spread it to parents and siblings then to the elderly.
Thats progre$$. Progre$$ to $ell vaccine$
As of the middle of last year, that looked like a winning strategy to me. Let the kids spread it first among themselves, since hardly any of them got seriously ill from it. They seemed to develop lower virus titers than adults did, so when they brought it home it would expose the family to a low level of the virus, usually not enough to make the infection take hold. So I thought it'd be a good way to spread immunity quickly thru the community, while their grandparents stayed away for a few months.
Thank you for posting that; by the way, have you been reading the op-eds in the NYT that fall just a smigen short of celebratory over what they see as a higher rate of COVID in districts for voted Trump in 2020?
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/08/briefing/covid-death-toll-red-america.html
Unfortunately, the only noise getting through is Blue Team smart, all others dumb. And just a cursory reading of this article leads one to perceive no end of specious methodology; whatever it takes to support of foregone conclusion.
How are they coping with Cali having twice the infectious rate of Florida?
It's not just the NYT. Have seen such headlines everywhere. Red vs blue. Party über alles!
COVID-19 did nothing to improve the situation, fueling worldwide paanic and handing would-be autocrats an excuse to clamp down on their populations to deal with the "crisis."
Hence, China's (and others') drive for "zero Covid". This is something that will never be reached, so it will continue for as long as necessary to achieve other goals.
Yeah, it's another seasonal flu in circulation now, and rapidly finding new reservoirs to circulate.
https://wildlife.org/wild-deer-contract-coronavirus/
...possibly explaining the high numbers in Iowa, where most of the State is sparsely populated? IA is Deer Heaven.
It's not just deer!
https://news.yahoo.com/california-aquarium-vaccinated-8-sea-134809096.html
Hey you. Yah, you kid. Get out of the water! You might give the sea otters Covid!
Yep! We got antibody test results in April 2020 that showed we'd already been living with the virus for months. Then the goal subtly shifted from 'flatten the curve' to 'zero covid' because Joe Biden couldn't win if we admitted we'd already been living with the virus without noticing.
But, but, but, the emergency rooms were overwhelmed!
Weren't they?
So Joe Biden could declare victory and move on from all the political consequences of COVID, but he won't because it's politically beneficial to be in a pandemic that never ends?
So Joe Biden could declare victory and move on from all the political consequences of COVID, but he won't because it's politically beneficial to be in a pandemic that never ends?
Yes.
“Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.”
--C.S Lewis
"So, the United States maintains a decent international reputation as a haven for personal freedom."
I blame Hollywood.
blame placed correctly.
LGB!
No. Hollywood foments the opposite.
Ever participate in Quora? There is tons of anti-American expression there from other countries. It's fueled by their impressions of the U.S. from what they've seen in movies. Some actually seem to believe we're having gunfights in the streets as seen in westerns.
WTF?
Gunfights in the streets, women all sluts and beautiful to boot. How is that not free?
Ruling by Decree, mandate, is the very Dictatorial act they blamed President Trump for.
Its the mark of all Dictators. Especiall Communists who twist Democracy, majority rule, to enforcing the will or needs of a tiny minority on the larger population.
Jan 2011, CDC official data, the virus significantly affected FIVE PERCENT OF THE POPULATION.
Therefore Brandons Decree is Communusm.
"Its the mark of all Dictators. "
Not Roman dictators. The originals.
PS this is COVID 21.
Showing the utter FAILURE in the system.
Seth Green commented on this governmental response disaster in last nights episode of Family Guy. Yes its THAT bad to be on the level of volumnous projectile vomiting and Meg bashing.
[We] need MORE TAXES (i.e. State Labor) so [We] can buy MORE Oppression!!!!
The USA is falling behind on the growing Gov-God oppression meter!
Apparently it's also still just a --little-- behind on the poverty meter too.
Now that's not 'equality'!!! [We] must sacrifice ourselves in the name of 'equality'...
Because curs-id, misinformation, insurrection-al words like; Fairness, Earning, Honesty and Principles is so racist! No-one should have to EARN anything!!! They all should just DEMAND by FORCE 'equality'!
Talk about a Race-to-the-Bottom marathon.
When I was a kid, I saw de facto slaves in some place called Wachapreague, VA. Two old, withered black dudes sweeping the rickety porch “ voluntarily” at some rural, segregated hotel in which I stayed. Their faces carried the sweat and tears of hard times.
Fast forward to Obama as President. Twice. Mr. Hope and Change. I wonder if he sweeps his own porch on his island mansion.
More positive signs prevail. Gays hid in the closet back then, save for some urban, literary exceptions. Hell, lesbians and transfolk hid-and suffered-in their own minds. “Coming out” was still for them a type of seppuku. Fast forward to our current secretary of transportation or to the inimitable Rachel Levine. /Cough/ Or enjoy the rainbow parades, now almost pedestrian.
Domestically, guns remain omnipresent, free speech ditto, and religion continues to run rampant among the masses. Yea, there’s always some statist progressive fool or cult looking for some quixotic empire. Yawn. I’ve seen it since they romanced Stalin and Che Guevara.
But the cancel culture and mandate czars of today are less about achieving permanent liberty abrogations than about political, ideological. orgasms. Wake me up when the clowns actually grow a spine.
One more thing. The USA is still the globe’s magnet in terms of immigration. By a long shot. And it ain’t close. That’s not meaningless data insofar as the liberty threshold. I don’t see thousands marching on foot for hundreds of miles to live elsewhere, by design, but it’s stock practice for America as a destiny (manifest or not.)
I think we’re good.
Well, I hope you are right. I'm feeling less optimistic right now.
Thank you very much for giving an occasionally-needed positive perspective on how far the nation has come in terms of progress on freedom and justice.
What makes so many of us pessimistic is that keeping the progress of which you speak requires eternal vigilance. And here lately, between Politically Correct Wokeism and Neo-Keynesianism on the Left and Populist, Religious, National Conservatism on the Right, it often seems like the battles of old have to be fought again and again.
Feel free to keep checking by and reminding us of what was, so we can keep it from becoming our future. Voices like yours are like a private USO and Voice of America of Libertarian Partizans.
Some argue, convincingly... a little too free.
Citizens who are belligerent about COVID restrictions are all doing liberal-face, protesting for civil rights that never existed for reasons they can't articulate. It's just something the Murdochian empire latched onto for ratings. No politician wants COVID to continue. All politicians want COVID-specific restrictions to end. It's not a threat to long-term freedom.
The manufactured theater of it all is evident as anti-vaccine loons screeching about their freedumb go on to support the violent overthrow of the United States constitution in favor of a right-wing dictatorship. As their media figures give tongue baths to Putin and Erdoğan and support every single voting rights restriction to be justified by the lie that Trump won the last election.
Leave liberal democracy to educated people. That's what I say. If you aren't educated, you should either not vote or let some educated person tell you how to vote.
I realize that human nature is such that you can be born in a tractor and never see a blackboard your whole life and still believe yourself to be above average intelligence. I wish someone knew how to fix that.
Bodily autonomy and medical privacy are rights that do not exist?
Good to know.
Not to right-wingers.
Idiot autist. Saying idiot autist things
Hey. Don't be mean to autists like that. Tony is an advanced case of syphilis or a lifelong dedication to hard drugs. Or both.
But they are rights, so you do not disagree with anyone asserting them, correct?
I think a global pandemic with a death toll in the millions is a scenario in which a nerdy middle school debate about rights is of secondary concern to saving lives. If Mexico had bombed a city full of 5 million people, you'd certainly be more flexible on rights as the problem was dealt with.
I'm also incredibly disinclined to believe people when they claim their big concern is "bodily autonomy" when it's about their right to spread a deadly disease without any personal responsibility, especially when they turn around the next day and support putting Greg Abbott's religious beliefs in between pregnant women and their doctors.
So, they are not rights, and you do not actually believe in the idea of rights because you do not believe in "magic", but your concern with saving lives is...what? How is that not your own religious belief?
Call it a fancy, the prerogative each of us has to be silly from time to time. I just think body count is a pretty good measure of the moral consequences of an action, because I can't think of a better one.
Only educated people should vote?
That is going way back into the Democrat's playbook, like post 1865.
Why would you vote if you don't understand why you're voting or what the issues are? I'm not saying you should have to get a certain score on the SAT, but if you are being led around by the nose by propagandists and think the big problem in the world is some school board in Wisconsin doing something you don't like, you need to reevaluate your life choices and commit to reading more books. You shouldn't want to vote, lest you by sheer ignorance support someone or something terrible.
When your political leader calls you the poorly educated and depends on the poorly educated for power, you need to at least question what's going on.
Well, Tony, I think you will find a lot of people here agree with you on that.
But who are you addressing?
if you are being led around by the nose by propagandists
Physician, heal thyself.
Don't worry, I read and watch your propaganda sources and am not persuaded by them. I even spend an enormous amount of time reading a libertarian magazine serving as the propaganda arm of the Koch brother. If anything, I've only become less libertarian.
I read and watch your propaganda sources and am not persuaded by them
What are my propaganda sources, pray tell?
Tell me something specific you believe and I'll tell you where you probably got it from. I say probably because the right-wing echo chamber is, well, an echo chamber.
You all freak out about Mr. Potato Head at exactly the same time and then have the gall to tell me it was actually something you actually care about due to your own diligent research.
You all freak out about Mr. Potato Head at exactly the same time and then have the gall to tell me it was actually something you actually care about due to your own diligent research.
Wait . . . I thought you just now said you don't actually know what my opinions are on anything?
Does science say that gender is binary?
Does science say that gender is binary?
No.
I'm sure we're both glad I can check Ben Shapiro off the list.
I'm sure we're both glad I can check Ben Shapiro off the list.
Who?
Science does say that sex is binary.
Science does say that sex is binary.
Oh there you go with you're whole "words have meanings" bit!
Does Ben Shapiro understand the distinction, or does his huge paycheck depend on him pretending not to?
All that means is that you have not listened to what Shapiro has to say on the subject, Tony.
Unfortunately that's not the case.
I saw him try to get Neil Tyson, a scientist, to confirm his little theory that "science says" that you can't change your gender.
Tyson, interestingly, didn't engage the ridiculous and embarrassing claim about science, but instead asked the correct question: So what do you want to do about it?
It's a free country. What exactly is it that you want it to do to trans people?
Great (though I don't think you understand most people on here at all and are full of shit. Not everyone here is some unhinged right-winger and we disagree about a lot, so it's particularly obnoxious when you address everyone as if they are all of one mind.). Many people aren't convinced by your propaganda sources.
Isn't it kind of unlikely that all of the sources you like are right all the time and all of the sources you don't like are wrong?
Nobody knows nearly as much as they think they do. A little humility would be nice at least. You hardly ever even respond to actual arguments against what you are saying. You simply appeal to authority or denigrate your interlocutor as some right-wing nutjob.
I don't consult propaganda for my information about the world, I consult reliable sources, and I do my best not to believe anything out of proportion to the evidence.
A person with a college education is often equipped to understand and recognize the difference. That's what this all started with.
I don't consult propaganda for my information about the world, I consult reliable sources,
That's what everyone thinks.
There are a lot of well educated people here. Not even all in engineering, as you seem to assume.
If that were true,we’d at least expect some of your wrongness to point both ways. Instead, it’s always one way
Anyway, I’m totally fine with giving teachers the freedom to teach whatever they want.
It’s just that they’re not fine with giving me the freedom not to pay for it.
He who pays the piper calls the tune.
The people who were voting against the actions of their local school boards is because they think that is a big problem.for their children. How it effects the world is a secondary consideration. They are voting for what they see as their interests. Saying that they should not vote says you have no ability to persuade them, which suggests that they are not wrong in their evaluation of their situation.
They're voting? I thought they were assaulting and harassing.
I thought they were assaulting and harassing.
Yes, you thought that. Because you were told that. Evidence?
They voted last Tuesday. They will vote again next year.
"Assault and harassment" is what the social engineers call the right to petition and address grievances when the people have opinions they do not want to hear.
Leave liberal democracy to educated people. That's what I say. If you aren't educated, you should either not vote or let some educated person tell you how to vote.
I agree. Only those of us with doctoral degrees should be able to vote, unless people like you are going to vote the way we tell you to.
I'm glad you're finally coming around to realizing how useless your opinions are, and how much guidance you need from people better educated than yourself.
Since liberalism increases with level of education, with graduate-level people being the most liberal of all, I'll have to seriously consider your proposal.
As a first step please allow me to suggest supporting liberals rather than progressives.
What's the difference?
With more education you might understand better, but for now you're just going to have to take my word for it.
That sounds like something you'd say if you didn't know the answer.
That sounds like something you'd say if you didn't know the answer.
What difference does it make to you? I'm far more educated than you, therefore you should accept what I say and not question it.
All I ask is a little self-consistency.
You should know that I consider things like engineering and computer science to be trades rather than intellectual pursuits.
You should know that I consider things like engineering and computer science to be trades rather than intellectual pursuits.
You should know that I have trouble eating bananas too soon after I've had coffee.
The intellectual dilettante's disrespect for the Sons of Martha.
Meanwhile: "All doctors and nurses should be saddled with the paranoid unvaccinateds' death moans indefinitely in deference to my ignorance."
All doctors and nurses should be saddled with the paranoid unvaccinateds' death moans indefinitely in deference to my ignorance
. . . said no one.
Name one sacrifice Trumpers are willing to make for the social good during a pandemic. They expected gay men to become celibate during the AIDS pandemic, so their refusal to take vaccines or wear a mask, both incredibly nonintrusive things, is both hypocritical and unhygienic to an extreme.
I wonder if they'd change their mind if they regularly saw video of their fellow countrymen dying horrible deaths in hospital beds all these months.
They're also people who think that public funding of healthcare is equivalent to the enslavement of doctors and nurses.
Like I said, convoluted.
Name one sacrifice Trumpers are willing to make for the social good during a pandemic.
Why? What does that have to do with whether or not you should be getting your opinions from me since I'm more educated than you?
Yes, we are well aware that gay activists resented having to socially distance during a pandemic that was primarily effecting the gay male population, and had a much higher fatality rate than Covid. I would think there would be some sympathy during a pandemic that has a much lower death to infection rate.
Well, that's not true. Roughly speaking as many Americans have died from COVID as from AIDS, but AIDS has been around for 40 years compared to COVID's <2.
Averaged by year and globally, AIDS has killed about 1 million per year, less than half of COVID's yearly global death rate.
So, when are you going to get a vaccine, which costs nothing in dollars or freedom? Or are your views about pandemics rather situational and infused with bigoted tribal premises?
Tony, I wrote "death to infection" rate, not total deaths. Covid's transmission vectors and its contagiousness make catching it a lot more likely than HIV which has a much less passive method of transmission. Before the viral blocking drugs, an HIV diagnosis was a pretty much a death sentence. Covid is not, especially if you are young and do not have chronic health problems.
So the variables are different, but the death count is much higher for COVID. All anyone's asking you to do is take a vaccine, so I don't know why we need to do such dismal mortality math at all. Nobody's actually being asked to sacrifice anything. They're certainly not being asked to be celibate for the rest of their lives like these same conservatives demanded of gays.
Because, Tony, you are the one who made the comparison, that it does not really support your argument is not something you can squirm out of. That gays resented being asked to change their behavior to protect themselves from what was in the '80s a near 100% fatal disease if contracted should tell you something about the reaction to being ordered to be vaccinated and a apparent permanent masking regime.
Gays did not resent being asked to change their behavior. Gays changed their behavior, and the moment an AIDS pill was developed, they all started taking it.
They didn't need any help from moral ninnies who did nothing about AIDS but object to its victims' lifestyles.
I'm objecting to your disgusting disease-ridden lifestyle.
Progressives do not understand the concept of consent at a fundamental level.
Progressives do not understand the concept of consent at a fundamental level.
^
I bet that didn't even take Mickey more than a few seconds.
Consent is when the girl manages to move her head up and down once in between drunken blackouts, right?
Can you give a coherent explanation of why having sex with a black out drunk girl is morally wrong?
You'd have to name or briefly explain the moral theory you're using.
I was asking for the one you are using. That you are deflecting kind of proves my point.
I think strong belief systems get people into trouble. By definition they don't admit new evidence without great effort.
But one can easily inhabit this or that moral system and examine what it says about a scenario. If we were under Genghis Khan's moral system, sexual consent means something different than if we were under that of a modern feminist.
If we're living under the Christian Taliban, things get very complicated very fast. Drunken sorority girls can consent with a head wobble; abortion requires the consent only of ancient male legislators; and people have no right to deny consent to being infected by a deadly virus. It's all so convoluted.
In other words, no - you can't give a coherent explanation of why having sex with a black out drunk girl is morally wrong.
I want you to take pause for a moment and consider whether you really do want to continue down a road that has you arguing that rape is okay in Afghanistan, because 'cultural norms.'
*Is* morally wrong? According to whom? A cosmic arbiter of morality that also allows children to die of cancer?
I support democracy and maximized individual liberty, not frivolously but with careful consideration of the alternatives. Prior to that even, I support concentrating the legitimate use of violence in a state, meaning any private violence must be specifically permitted by the state for pro-social ends. Good enough?
*Is* morally wrong? According to whom?
We get it - you don't understand why rape is morally wrong. Point made.
I support concentrating the legitimate use of violence in a state, meaning any private violence must be specifically permitted by the state for pro-social ends.
Exactly. A state like Afghanistan. So, by your logic, if the Taliban decides that rape is A-OK, then rape is A-OK, right? And further by your logic if a Talib is raping a woman and she fights back, that's an illegitimate use of private violence, right?
Now about the rights of gay people in Afghanistan . . . .
Tony's posts at 4:38 pm and 5:00 pm are as good an explanation as any as to why prgrogressivism is illiberal.
If you want me to explain why rape is morally wrong in a deontological sense, I cannot, because a) there's a huge amount of evidence that the universe doesn't give a crap about what we do or how we behave and b) people have been raping a lot longer than they've been morally condemning rape.
I don't want to live in a society in which I could be raped at any moment with impunity, so I find it valuable to support a legal regime that forbids rape, and I am, in theory, able to do so in a democracy.
Also, it feels icky to think of other people suffering. I dunno what you want. I'm only a trained moral philosopher and not a smart person like a guy who writes code for a living.
If you want me to explain why rape is morally wrong in a deontological sense, I cannot
Yes - we've established that.
I don't want to live in a society in which I could be raped at any moment with impunity
Why not? Are you implying that there's something objectively morally wrong about rape?
I'm only a trained moral philosopher
You very clearly are no such thing.
But I'm the only one answering questions. What's your answer? That rape is objectively morally wrong because it's objectively morally wrong? Because God says so? What's your line of reasoning precisely?
A trained moral philosopher who reasoned himself into a position where he does not think morality exists is like an atheist theologian, a rather sad and twisted contradiction.
That, Tony, personally, does not want to be raped only works in a democracy if 50% plus 1 agree with him. But if 50% plus one expect to be the rapists rather than the raped, then he has no argument against that position.
Being completely unable to accept a deontological moral principle is an utter rejection of liberalism.
The problem is, in bringing up the black out drunk girl in the first place, Tony is attempting to use an appeal deontological morality to deflect from the larger point that progressives do not truly accept consent as a principle.
I am just constitutionally incapable of believing in magic.
You can say something's morally wrong all you want, but if 50%+1 disagree, then what difference does it make to the victims what some dusty old book says? You think a rape victim is better off under the presumption that somewhere, out there, is a rule that rape is bad?
I could go into why I support democracy and individual rights (and am also anti-rape), but it's complicated and, to my mind, not trivial. Lots of people have offered excuses, deontological and practical, for all sorts of behaviors. Rape has certainly not always been considered wrong by every society, so it's certainly not a rule etched on some stone somewhere, and even if it is, what good has it done when it was ignored for so many millennia?
Tony, you have reasoned yourself out of the the position where the falling angel meets the rising ape. Unfortunately, that means your moral philosophy is effectively no different than a sociopath's and not something a society should be founded on.
Isn't a society "founded on" some immutable moral fiction rather prone to instability? What happens when people get educated and start questioning the lies they are supposed to live by?
I think societies should be based on what the people choose to base them on. There's the distinct possibility that future people will know better than we do, so they ought to have the freedom to choose too.
“I'm only a trained moral philosopher and not a smart person like a guy who writes code for a living.”
No wonder you think capitalism just doesn’t work.
But I don't think that. It works all too well.
It certainly created a surplus of BAs with woke talking points and an attraction to dabble in writing, over impressed with themselves and under-impressed with their incomes. Life is so unfair. Boo boo.
Graduate level people in my experience, take themselves far too seriously. And, they're frequently dogmatic. Most seem to live far from the reality that the rest of us do.
The right to go out into the world and make a living for yourself is the most essential and fundamental right anyone has. And that right has been seriously attacked through covid restrictions.
How can you write this shit with a straight face?
And fuck off with the "educated people" shit. There are a lot of highly educated, very smart people on here. Who disagree with each other all the time. Education and intelligence does not lead all people to the same conclusions. If you just think your political opponents are stupid or ignorant, you will never understand anything. And that goes for those attacking the left as well as the right.
Because the freedom to go out and make a living is seriously hampered by spending a month in the hospital before suffocating to death on phlegm.
All these straight faces completely subtracting the virus from their freedom equations. Must be nice to live in a universe where facts are optional.
It's just something I've been noticing. Lots of people with a high school education at best have suddenly decided that they know everything about how the world should work--a question that has been bothering philosophers since the beginning of civilization.
The world may not survive the Dunning-Kreuger effect. It may be that serious. Just something to think about.
Lots of people with a high school education at best have suddenly decided that they know everything about how the world should work
When they should leave it to flippant, intellectually lazy people with BAs in Humanities subjects, amirite?
Like lawyers? Like people who actually spent time studying the very questions at stake in elections? Yes, I will take even lazy humanities majors over used tire salesman with a Facebook account when it comes to the major questions of how men should live.
Like lawyers? Like people who actually spent time studying the very questions at stake in elections?
Lawyers actually, by definition, have a more advanced degree than a BA.
I was thinking of a more specific lazy humanities major (you'll find him in the mirror). Between you and the used tire salesman, I'm going with the used tire salesman, because he's going to at least have a minimal understanding of how the world works.
But first I'm going with me, since I'm two higher-education degrees further along than you, which by your own arguments means your opinions really should not mean jack shit to me (and don't).
I'm not drawing the line where you say I am. Mine's closer to the Mt. Stupid end of the Dunning-Kruger graph. Ignorant people who know they're ignorant are all right.
I'm not drawing the line where you say I am.
I'm guessing you draw the line just below where you yourself are.
I'm not one to run around telling people they need to believe what I say because I can (but don't) put "Dr." before my name. I'm merely being stylish in pointing out your blatant hypocrisy. I've met day laborers who are better informed and more qualified to vote than you are.
I'm fully aware that this has been a long exercise in you boasting about your education credentials.
I'm fully aware that this has been a long exercise in you boasting about your education credentials.
Between the two of us I'm actually exactly not the one arguing that people's opinions are invalid if they don't have the same education I do.
A wise man once said stupid is as stupid does.
A wise man once said stupid is as stupid does.
That . . . just . . . doesn't even make sense as a response to what I just said.
Okay, a randomly chosen example. One's education level is less relevant to my assessment of their judgment than whether they expressed the thought that Donald Trump would make a good president.
Except the choice actually was would DonaldcTrump make a better president than Hillary Clinton or Joe Biden. The former is likely, and Biden has spent the last ten months proving the latter.
It's fascinating that a person can actually believe this.
Your assessment is informed by a bunch of lies about Clinton and Biden and a bunch of willful denial about Trump. It's all just tribalism. Oldest story in the book. You have to guard against that kind of thing.
Tony
November.8.2021 at 2:24 pm
Leave liberal democracy to educated people. That's what I say. If you aren't educated, you should either not vote or let some educated person tell you how to vote.
Tony
November.8.2021 at 5:57 pm
One's education level is less relevant to my assessment of their judgment than whether they expressed the thought that Donald Trump would make a good president.
Pots and kettles, Tony. Pots and kettles.
Only inexperienced "bookies" know "how men should live".....
As ANY NON-IMBECILE already knows; there's "bookie" education and then there REAL education... Ironically, your "bookie" education is never going to *CREATE* a speckle of wealth because books don't MAKE RESOURCES.
Your idiocy lies in you belief that a 'lawyer' (Gun-Power-Debater) is more valuable than a 'tire'. BECAUSE you think GUNS *create* things but are too stupid to realize they don't *CREATE* anything but justice. NOT A SINGLE RESOURCE.....
It won't hurt you to read some books.
So other's selfish propaganda can convince me that reality is fake; like they've duped you into believing STEALING is the path to a wealthy civilization?
There are lots of things in books.
And yet REAL education from books comes from a writer who was educated by REALITY. The rest is just fiction/emotion. Ya know; like how you used "The Day after Tomorrow" sci-fi entertainment to try and support your Climate-Changing theories the other day.
lol... Made me laugh.
You better start with the basics. See Jane Dick. Dick Jane, Dick. Or whatever.
Because the freedom to go out and make a living is seriously hampered by spending a month in the hospital before suffocating to death on phlegm.
Given the fact that that is a very unlikely outcome for most working age people, it makes sense for people to make their own decisions there. You are fucking pathetic. Have you had a thought of your own since March 2020?
Sorry, I'd like to be as nice as Square = Circle, but I'm sick of this shit from whatever source.
Think for yourself. Experts get things wrong all the time. And government officials do evil shit all the time for the sake of their own power and prestige.
"sick of this shit" - The Shovel Ready Shit.... I had to laugh at that one forgot who posted it though.
Okay, so a free society is one in which old and sick people must quarantine for the rest of their lives so that you don't have to wear a mask or take a vaccine.
As long as you make your political platform clear enough for voters to understand what it is.
If you you have taken an effective vaccine, then other people's choices about whether or not to take it do not really matter to you. If the vaccine is not effective, then it does not matter if anyone takes it. Either way, it does not justify using force to make someone take it.
What about a financial incentive? The public policy goal is to get as many people vaccinated as possible. Then everyone could go back to normal life with all freedom intact.
Behaviorists have all sorts of creative ideas for how to achieve that.
Just don't tell me that you going around society coughing deadly virus on people is "not aggression."
You see, because the democrats lost the Virginia governors race, and almost lost NJs, despite having a candidate whine about Trump and white supremacy to the exclusion of anything real. This terrifies democrats who would rather talk about anything else. So, expect more fake white supremacy references.
My counsel to Democrats is to never mention white supremacy again, but their conundrum is that they have to corral black voters too, so they have to appeal to both moderate whites who hate to be reminded how racist they are AND black voters who have their own kitchen-table issues AND white progressives who are only happy if they're self-flagellating over something.
Much easier to be a Republican who can herd millions of voters with a little book burning hysteria.
The people who voted Republican and elected a Jamaican immigrant Lt. Governor have a mighty odd sort of racism there.
It is hard to win an election when you’re only strategy requires most people to believe they’re racist, and to believe you over their own lying eyes.
They probably know themselves better than you.
You're right, it's easier to win elections based on promising hysterical FOX News junkies that you're going to burn some books for them, just as they've done in 24 states.
Not a peep from the freedom people. Hm.
I’m sorry: I was too busy reporting my pilots’ “Go braves” chant to the FBI to notice that assault on the first amendment.
"so a free society is one in which old and sick people must" ..... take responsibilities for themselves or accept that they must BEG (are on the needy side) for sympathy instead of DEMANDING it with GUNS.
This nation would be sooooooooooooo much better off if people were motivated to take care of themselves instead of trying to FORCE others to take care of them by pointing Gov-Guns at them. The latter is far too much like the prison mentality. They are put in prison to protect honest people from their criminalistic ways.
And does everyone really need yet another reminder of how a criminalistic society ends up; where everyone is out shooting guns at each other and NO-ONE is creating wealth and resources??
Funny thing about leftards around here. They don't ever defeat any clear-as day reasoning. They just run-around grand-standing their mantra's like mockingbirds and parrots. Maybe it is a tiny-brained phenomenon.
He hasn't talked to any of the hard working class he claims to defend. They aren't in his camp. At all.
America Still Seen as Free in an Increasingly Unfree World
Yet America is fastly becoming more repressive and "Unfree" everyday the Biden Administration is in office.
And Reason though Trump was authoritarian.
Trump; that De-Regulating authoritarian.... lol...
It is quite humorous how lefty-propaganda and a few lack-of B.S. tweets can make so many defy basic comprehension. Far too many replacing logic with their emotions.
Can you cite one article where a Reason writer described Trump as authoritarian?
Biden knows best!
Let's go Brandon!
Wait til Spend Back Bigger passes.
Mr. Tuccille, you just implied that our government is another liberal democracy. I understand that the lying leftists (they're not liberal or progressive) want everyone to call it that, but our brilliant founders knew that de-mob-ocracy is an evil form of government which failed the ancient Greeks and is failing us as leftists drag us closer and closer to it and further from the REPUBLIC our founders mandated in Article 4, Section 4, U. S. Constitution.
And what does "republic" mean to you? In what ways is it beneficially different from a liberal democracy?
A democratic republic can be a liberal democracy. Or not. Depends on the basic rules by which the government operates. You could have an authoritarian republic where the presumption is that anything not permitted is forbidden.
These words traditionally describe the structure of a government rather than its specific policies.
No, a liberal government is one that operates on the premise that people are generally free unless some compelling societal interest is served by government action.
And what does "republic" mean to you?
NOT a pure-democracy pretty much encompasses that one.
Where [WE] mobs don't create RULERS and minorities are protected from [WE] mob King-Dictators by a SUPREME LAW (in the US insisting Equal Individual Liberty and Justice for all).
There are lots of ways of coping with an election loss.
This is one of them.
Don't worry, I have it on good authority that if Congress won't hand out unlimited free stuff, our democracy is a sham anyway:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/nov/05/american-democracy-childcare-healthcare-policy
Democrats: hold my beer
You folks are actually *engaging* the shitstain? Do you think he's here to learn anything?
Why waste bandwidth on a steaming lefty troll?
Which one?
Nongendered jackboots with heels. If you want the coffee badly enough, you'll comply.
https://www.npr.org/2021/11/08/1053435012/strict-mandate-takes-effect-in-la-business-patrons-must-show-proof-of-vaccinatio
While American's liberty has been decreasing since FDR..old George W Bush put the final nail in the coffin...the Patriot Act and DHS were things only Troytsky could have come up with. Globalism is a new way of saying "International Socialism" and Diversity just Cultural Marxism. Most of my colleagues that live in the EU or Oz all think Americans have too much freedom. They are terrified that Americans own guns, don't get our suspicious view of the federal govt or elites..and don't get the opportunity here is because of very limited govt and individual liberty..
If we want liberty we need to shut down the Federal Reserve and all Federal agencies created after 1960..and cut the Federal Govt by 50% to start...
If 51% of Americans want to be socialists, why can't they be socialists?
If not, what are you worried about?
Stop trying to control the ideas people have. And stop quoting directly from Mein Kampf. I insist.
If 1% want to be, they can.
"If we want liberty we need to shut down the **Federal** Reserve and all **Federal** agencies created after 1960..and cut the **Federal** Govt by 50% to start..."
Ironically; the VERY REASON Socialists are attacking the Federal Government instead of their local county, cities or even States isn't because they couldn't be a socialist society it's because the want to FORCE the entire nation to be Socialist.
...because; Socialism is unsustainable. It's a Conquer and Consume theology. They can only STEAL so much before they have to Conquer MORE - thus the MORE is the entire Nation.
National Socialism *is* Nazism.
I think your economic worldview is unsustainable in a literal sense. *shrugs*
If 51% of Americans are coerced or bribed to want to get rid of the constitution in its entirety or even one inalienable right, why shouldn’t they?
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Or lots of dumb people feared a second Trump term. It explains a lot of the outcome, such as down-ballot Republicans doing pretty well.
The funniest thing is when one of those down-ballot republicans question the validity of the very ballots that got them elected (they only object to the presidential line, of course).
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