Manchin: Biden's New Spending Plan Relies on 'Shell Games' and 'Budget Gimmicks'
"I'm open to supporting a final bill that helps move our country forward, but I'm equally open to voting against a bill that hurts our country," Manchin says.

Sen. Joe Manchin (D–W.Va.), whose vote may very well determine the eventual fate of President Joe Biden's biggest legislative initiative, reiterated his opposition to any bill that adds to the national debt or risks adding fuel to inflation.
"I'm open to supporting a final bill that helps move our country forward, but I'm equally open to voting against a bill that hurts our country," Manchin said at a press conference Monday. He noted that both Medicare and Social Security are on track to become insolvent—an arrangement that would impose mandatory benefit cuts across the board—within the next 12 years. Without addressing those looming concerns, Manchin said, any bill that "expands social programs and irresponsibly adds to our $29 trillion in national debt" would be unwise.
When Democrats decided in the spring to split President Joe Biden's proposed "Build Back Better" plan into two pieces, it was supposed to set up a delicate legislative pas de deux. Instead, they're playing a game of chicken. The roughly $1 trillion infrastructure plan (which includes about $500 billion in new spending and another $500 billion in repurposed spending) enjoyed bipartisan support when it cleared the Senate in July. But it has languished in the House since then: Progressive Democrats are unwilling to send it to Biden's desk until the Senate agrees to pass a social spending package that would likely include a series of tax increases.
That spending bill, which Democrats hope to maneuver through the Senate via the reconciliation process, started out as a $3.5 trillion measure. Last week, Biden announced a supposed compromise in an attempt to appease Manchin and Sen. Kyrsten Sinema (D–Ariz.), who have opposed the higher taxes and borrowing necessary to finance the larger proposal.
Manchin's comments suggest that the senator will not give his approval to that slimmed-down proposal without additional scrutiny.
"What I see are shell games," Manchin said. "Budget gimmicks," he said, would make Biden's $1.75 trillion proposal cost almost twice that much in the long run.
One of the biggest gimmicks in the bill has to do with the expanded, refundable child tax credit program, which will cost about $110 billion annually. Democrats are proposing to extend it for only a single year, thus making the bill's long-term costs seem significantly lower than if they had to account for 10 years of spending, as is the norm. The framework also seems to overestimate how much revenue would be generated by various proposals, potentially leaving big gaps that would have to be filled by borrowing.
"This is a recipe for an economic crisis," Manchin added. "None of us should ever misrepresent to the American people what the real cost of legislation is."
Manchin offered pointed criticism of the progressive wing of the House Democratic caucus, saying that lawmakers in the lower chamber should be given the opportunity to vote on the infrastructure plan even if the Senate has not approved the social spending bill. On Friday, Biden urged House leaders to vote on the infrastructure bill, but the impasse continues. Holding the infrastructure bill "hostage," Manchin said, "is not going to work in getting my support for the reconciliation bill."
The game of chicken continues.
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Why does Manchin remain in the Democrat party? He seems sane. There is no room amongst Democrats for sanity.
Because ultimately he will vote for something. He just needs political cover.
He’s waiting for the pork barrel to fill up. This is his chance to bring more pork back to WV than at any other time in his career. He’s gonna milk that, even if he does also have legit qualms with the bill.
I almost wonder if he's the planned scapegoat for the Democrats as to why they won't fulfill all the far-left's dreams.
How come Manchin isn't getting chased into bathrooms and hounded by activists all day and night? Isn't this the sort of disparate impact that would lead people to accuse the GOP of being sexist if it were GOP activists doing the harassment?
It's Manchin that's sexist. Going into a men's room that doesn't have holes cut into the partitions? No Dem activist is going in there.
Dem activists are misogynist woman-haters and pathological cheaters in feminist skin suits. It's the GOPe Never-Trump activists who're the closeted homosexuals and pederasts.
….
/ raises hand
I’ll allow it.
The gop has activists?
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>>the “essential journey”
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If it's essential enough for the experts...
Manchin understands that, given the choice between spending nothing and passing the infrastructure bill a couple months before the next election, the House progressives will pass the infrastructure bill.
The weird thing is that progressives in the media and on Twitter seem to be unable to work out that the House progressives are full of shit, that holding a gun to your own head and shouting "Drop it, or I swear I'll blow this nigger's head all over this town!" is a joke, not a negotiating tactic.
Unless they think the people are as dumb as the citizens of Rock Ridge. And they do.
And they do.
To be fair, a group of citizens did elect them, so they wouldn't be wrong.
No, that doesn't work.
Even if "the people" are that dumb, the person that has to be convinced that the House progressives would refuse to pass the infrastructure bill is Joe Manchin. Otherwise Manchin can just sit back and wait for the House progressives to fold. Even if a bunch of West Virginian "the people", fooled by the media, agitate for him to give in because they want the infrastructure bill, he can ignore them, since his next election isn't until 2024, and the House progressives will fold before then.
There is simply no way for the House progressives to convert threats against the infrastructure bill into genuine pressure on anyone who understands the incentives for House progressives. Therefore, anyone treating the tactic as something other than a joke either has to believe Joe Manchin is deluded, or be deluded themselves. There is no third option.
Even if they don't pass it, it won't hurt anyone politically. This whole debate is about how hard they want to fuck they American People and how hard they want to fuck the moderate Democrats. There's no widespread desire for the big bill to pass, and if the little one does, the only way you will notice the better "infrastructure" will be by reading the signs they post everywhere. Do you think Omar, Pressley, Talib, AOC, Bernie Sanders and Ron Wyden are at threat of losing their next election?
We can dream can't we?
They are quite good for blowing everything up, as long as they never get their way. I’m all for their bluster and hissy fits if it means shit doesn’t get done. If they start crafting and passing legislation, they are a blight that needs purged.
If Youngkin wins in Virginia tomorrow, the "Build Back Better" bullshit or whatever the hell people want to call it is going to be deader than Elvis. The two democratic party factions will form a circular firing squad, completely tear each other pieces, and there won't be a single moderate democrat in either the House or the Senate who will vote for it under any circumstances. The recriminations will last for the entire next year of the term.
"If Youngkin wins in Virginia tomorrow"
He won't because they're going to fortify the fuck out of the election. They will continue to count ballots until the result is the correct one.
The next day when you question if there really are 28 million voters in Virginia, someone will call you a racist.
Exactly.
Wonder if Time will write another article about it bragging like last time? Of course, Reason will ignore that article too.
It would be nice to see both bills go down in flames and sequestration come out of the impending debt limit showdown.
Failure to manage the government in a responsible way should require ritual seppuku.
Why didn't any Senator stand up to the $2.2 trillion Trump Welfare and Handout CARES Act of 2020?
Good to see you made it here from Stupidville. With all the flights being canceled, we were worried you wouldn't make it.
Just reminding you Peanuts that Libertarian Trump pissed away $2.2 trillion in one year and didn't offset a penny of it.
I know, you Trump-tards give him a pass by saying mean old Nancy Pelosi tricked Donnie Boy and Mitch but that is a lie.
You're a Boehm sock, aren't you?
that's insulting even to SPB2
*Vetoproof spending bills and twice vetoed House bills*
"Herp-derp, Trump pissed away $2.2 trillion in one year and don't blame Nancy Pelosi because fuck you" - t. Buttplug
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Yeah that’s clear to everyone.
Just a reminder; BIDEN ALREADY passed ANOTHER $2T bill right out of the gate....
And yes; Trump should've Vetoed the Cares Act (written by Democrats).... Did you have a point besides pushing your prejudices on a straw in a haystack?
"The game of chicken continues."
If the Democrat loses in Virginia, the progressives will blink.
We may not see the infrastructure bill pass until next year, but if the Democrat in Virginia loses, support for the budget reconciliation bill will probably evaporate.
If the Democrat wins in Virginia, the progressives will also blink. There is no reality where we reach October 2022 and the House progressives haven't passed the infrastructure bill, because given the choice of the infrastructure bill or nothing, the House progressives want the infrastructure bill.
The progressives will wait until after the new year--because passing the infrastructure bill without the budget reconciliation bill is admitting defeat.
"The game of chicken continues."
If the Democrat loses in Virginia, the progressives will
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>>If the Democrat loses in Virginia
they're going to have to sacrifice one every now and again so we forget about the fortification
We shouldn't expect the Republican to win in a blue state full of government employees, but if the Republican wins, it'll be in spite of the fortification.
would be beautiful.
The tactics used by Zuckerberg et al cannot be easily replicated across the country. They poured half a billion dollars into 5 cities to harvest enough votes to win four states. They cannot do that in every state every single election.
They are working on Texas, South Carolina and Georgia right now. Virginia’s total capitulation came out of left - err right-field and caught them unaware.
I wish I could figure out a way to unfuck Texas. This should be a libertarian paradise but stupid Democrats keep wanting to turn it into California v3.0 and Republicans react by going even harder on socon idiocy (idiotic “sex trafficking bull, fighting MJ legalization tooth and nail, etc.).
>>"What I see are shell games," Manchin said. "Budget gimmicks," he said
having trouble believing this is Manchin's first day
“A liberal is intolerant of other views. He wants to control your thoughts and actions.”
-President Lyndon Baines Johnson
"I've never been a liberal in any way, shape, or form."
-Senator Joe Manchin
"I'm a liberal."
-Matt "Park Slope Welchie Boy" Welch
They keep using that word, but it does not mean what they think it means...
I just wish they'd hurry up and pass something, nobody from the government's been around to wipe my ass lately and I hope like hell the government's not expecting me to wipe my own ass.
Oh, government will be around soon wanting to do something to your ass.
They’re all cleaning up after uncle creepy’s papal visit.
And the CONSTITUTIONALITY of the Spending Bill??????????????
The USA will never survive compulsive [WE] Mob-Democratic Nazism thinking.
Yeah!
This the same guy who just votes for a 700 billion for the military yearly? That guy?
It's all bullshit. He's bought and paid for by lobbyists. He'll never vote for anything to help the common person in his state, where a majority back Biden's plans.
> Manchin said, any bill that "expands social programs and irresponsibly adds to our $29 trillion in national debt" would be unwise.
Boy talk about being tone deaf. Not smelling what the Rock is cooking. It is so 1990s to worry about money printer going whirrrrrrr. Wake up Joe it's 2021.