Biden's Support Among Independents Has Crashed
As Democrats wrangle over his domestic agenda, and anti-Trump conservatives agonize over political strategy, both should pay more attention to the 27-point drop in presidential approval among self-described independents.

We are living through the era of unpopular presidents.
Just nine months into his term, President Joe Biden has already achieved something only predecessor Donald Trump managed before him: an average approval rating south of 45 percent in the third quarter of his first year.
According to an Oct. 1-19 Gallup poll of 832 American adults released today, Biden was at 42 percent overall, down from 57 percent in January. Trump at this juncture was at 37 percent, on his way to becoming the least popular president in the modern polling era, never cracking 50 percent in the Gallup survey even once.
These numbers reinforce the modern political theory of negative polarization, in which major-party blocs are defined by what they oppose, and factional leaders from the other tribe are at best unloved and more routinely despised.
But there's an additional interpretation hiding in numerical plain sight, one that has direct implications on two mostly separate political discussions taking place this month—the Democratic struggle to pass Biden's multi-trillion-dollar domestic agenda, and the revived debate on the right over electoral strategizing in the post-Trump era. Both sets of arguments could benefit from absorbing the fact that Biden, since inauguration, has lost a stunning 27 percentage points among self-described independents, tumbling from 61 percent approval all the way down to 34 percent.

"It's a real problem for Biden that the most moveable group of voters now largely disapproves of the job he is doing as president," wrote Geoffrey Skelley Thursday at FiveThirtyEight.

Skelley continued:
Biden's sharp decline among independents also seems related to what has often been Americans' number-one concern since Biden took office: the COVID-19 pandemic. This has surely hurt Biden with most groups of Americans, but independents' dissatisfaction with Biden's handling of the pandemic has been particularly pronounced. In early June, almost 60 percent of independents approved of Biden's response to the coronavirus, but that has now fallen to just below 42 percent, according to FiveThirtyEight's coronavirus approval tracker.
Independents are also especially dissatisfied with how Biden is handling the economy….[T]heir approval on that issue fell from the low 40s in June to around 30 percent more recently.
Gallup measures "independents" differently than other pollsters, with numbers far more bountiful than voting records or party registration would indicate. The company since 1988 has been asking the same question: "In politics, as of today, do you consider yourself a Republican, a Democrat or an independent?" In every poll since 2013 the number-one answer has been "independent," reaching an all-time high of 50 percent in February of this year, before ticking back down to the low 40s (Democrats and Republicans were tied at 29 percent apiece in the most recently reported survey).
"The percentages identifying as independent in 2020 and thus far in 2021 have been unusually high compared with prior presidential election and odd-numbered years," the company reported in April.

Pundits and pollsters have disagreed over the years about the significance of this bloc, with skeptics pointing out that most people who self-describe as independent nonetheless vote predictably for a given political party, while enthusiasts counter that weak party affiliation is a potential precursor to a more dynamic and less harmful politics.
But independents have an outsized influence on matters involving the current and former presidents in particular. That's because without those partisan free agents, Donald Trump, who won the cohort over Hillary Clinton in 2016 by one percentage point, might still be president.
Though non-Republicans might still have a hard time believing it, Trump after a tumultuous four years in office actually won more of the national popular vote in 2020 than he did in 2016, 46.9 percent compared to 46.1 percent. But what sealed his fate was the collapse of the independent and third-party vote, from a combined 5.7 percent to 1.8 percent, and the transference of much of that support to the Democratic nominee. Biden improved by 3.1 percentage points over Clinton, with surveys showing that people who in 2016 voted Libertarian or Green or Constitution overwhelmingly preferred the non-Trump Democrat.
Having helped get him the job, independents never did cotton on to President Trump, starting at 42 percent approval, dipping to 29 percent in August 2017, peaking at 47 percent at the onset of the COVID-19 pandemic in April 2020, before finishing at 30 percent. These numbers closely mirrored the president's overall approval rating, since Republicans stood by their man to a historical degree and Democrats just seethed his entire term. (Similar dynamics are at play with Biden.)
As went Trump, so did Trump's party, which during his administration alienated fence-sitters enough to turn them against Team Red. As Sen. Bill Cassidy (R–La.) said this week, "President Trump is the first president―in the Republican side at least―to lose the House, the Senate and the presidency in four years. Elections are about winning." And Republicans on the national level the past four years have not been winning among independents.
Yet that may soon change. Because the two-party system works like a pendulum, with the centralization of executive power and attention making much of politics a referendum on the sitting president, the independent anti-vote is likely to defrock Democrats in the 2022 midterms.
"If Biden is struggling to win independents and Hispanics, that could snuff out any hope Democrats have of holding either chamber of Congress," Skelley wrote. "After all, independents backed Democrats in the 2018 midterms and Biden last November, and even though Republicans made gains with Hispanics in places like Texas's Rio Grande Valley, Hispanics still largely backed Biden and helped him win in key swing states, like Arizona. But if Republicans can capitalize on Biden's weakness among these groups, that could be their ticket back to controlling Congress next year."
As an exasperated-sounding president tries to piggyback trillions of dollars' worth of vast new government expansions onto the trillions of dollars of vast new government expansions he (and his predecessor) already shoved through, all while lying so brazenly about the allegedly zero-dollar cost that MSNBC anchors are snorting on air, he would do well to remember that his winning electoral coalition included millions of people who do not like that kind of stuff. As I wrote after the election in November:
To the extent that ex-Libertarian voters pulled the lever this time for Biden, it wasn't because of his proposals on spending, taxes, regulation, Section 230, the Supreme Court, or a hundred other things. If there is any libertarian case for Biden, it's situational, and that situation ends on January 20. All foolish talk of a "mandate" should include a clause about how the former vice president probably couldn't have gotten over the hump without Gary Johnson's voters. Good luck keeping those types in the coalition.
But independents turning on Biden is not some kind of get-out-of-jail-free card for Trump. While it's early yet to talk about 2024, all polls point to Republicans pining for the erratic and polarizing 45th president to become the 47th. If party hacks and think-tank Trumpists convince themselves that independents are going to finally learn to love this distinctly dislikable politician, they will get what they deserve.
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One of the predictable voters.
We're Independent in Name Only? WINO those kinds.
Like me? Cause I’m registered as
an independenta sex offender.FTFY
What's the deal with right-wingers and sex offenders? Do you wake up in the morning thinking about sex offenders and child molesters? There's not a day that goes by where one of you right wing creeps doesn't talk about fucking children or raping women. It's in every comment thread across the internet.
Because you buddy from OSF was banned for posting child porn and still comes back here.
What’s the deal with right-wingers and sex offenders?
Why don't you ask your buddy shriek, he seems to be in to that sort of thing.
Just think of them as racists.
Domestic Terrorists. Racists has lost its allure. We're all domestic terrorists, now.
What’s the deal with right-wingers and sex offenders?
They're projecting.
So many Republicans are perverts like Denny Hastert child molesters or Roy Moore or even Larry Craig blowing guys in airports that they have to label EVERYONE else a sex predator.
They're fucked in the head. The GOP is filled with Bible-Beating rednecks who lie and profess love for a Con Man.
turd lies. It's all turd does. turd is a pathological liar, mentally not equiped to even know he's lying, let along understand that everyone else knows it. Further, turd is a pedo, and now accuses others of being so.
turd lies' it's what he does.
Hey, remember when you posted hardcore child pornography at Reason.com and got your original Sarah Palin's Buttplug account banned, shreek? Because everybody else does. Maybe you should keep your pedophile mouth shut when this topic comes up since you're a child pornographer and kiddie fucker you disgusting piece of shit.
Are you really Dennis Hastert?
You’re a pedophile. You posted child porn here. But you’re a leftist because your kind fit in well there.
It’s just a shame you haven’t been tortured to death by a former victim of yours, or their family members.
It's called projection.
LOL. Says the guy who says libertarianism is close to marxism.
Pay no attention to the massive public movement on the left and within the Democratic Party to make child-fucking legal and the thousands of leftists and Democratic Party officials and contributors like Jeffrey Epstein who have spent half a century fucking little children and your original Sarah Palin's Buttplug account posting hardcore child pornography at Reason.com and getting yourself banned. Nope, everybody else is projecting!
Here's your projection, Chipper/Shrike/Stroozle.
Explain that.
It's kinda like how you have spent every waking moment of your life since November 2007 thinking about Obama's cock, Jakie.
There's this, and it's likely an actblue shill.
Unicorn Abattoir is a registered sex offender? What did you do? Naked tryst at a New Jersey turnpike rest stop gone wrong?
He fucked your mom without realizing she was clinically retarded and therefore unable to give legal consent.
His mother died before he was born, and necrophilia is illegal, apparently.
Coat-hanger abortion gone wrong.
"Like me? Cause I’m registered as an independent."
Why does anyone engage this steaming pile of lefty shit?
Fuck off and die, shitlord.
That's more than he deserves.
Yes. Unfortunately, almost no one who identifies as an independent is an actual independent. The same guy who wrote the article cited from 538 wrote about how it's just a meaningless label now.
“ Yes. Unfortunately, almost no one who identifies as an independent is an actual independent.”
Yup. Just keep ignoring us.
You're too far left to ever be right, son. Now go clean something.
Dear Citizens of America,
In view of your failure to elect a competent President and thus to govern yourselves, we hereby give notice of the revocation of your independence, effective immediately.
Her Sovereign Majesty, Queen Elizabeth II, will resume monarchical duties over all states, commonwealths and other territories (except Kansas, which she does not fancy), as from Monday next.
Well this was dumb.
Did you see who wrote it?
We had a competent POTUS, but TDS-addled assholes focused on personality instead of accomplishments.
Pretty sure group that includes YOU!
That $2.2 trillion Trump Welfare and Handout CARES Act of 2020 was "competent"?
Certainly you are no libertarian. You are another Big Gov Republican.
Now get back to your hood!
turd lies. It's what turd does.
If turd quotes numbers, they are either outright lies or cherry-picked to be worthless, and turd is stupid enough to repeat the same lies *AFTER* they have been shown to be lies.
turd lies; it's all turd does
Now do the 3.5 trillion dollar Democratic bill against a baseline budget of 6 trillion dollars.
It's no wonder you have to fuck kids, you sick piece of shit. They're the only people on your intellectual level.
That's an insult to the many intelligent kids out there.
That $2.2 trillion
TrumpSchumer and Pelosi Welfare and Handout CARES Act of 2020Fixed that for you, Shrike. And now do you want to talk about all the other post-Covid spending bills too, or will that ruin the phony narrative you're paid to craft?
Whe the cops finally take your child molesting ass down, I hope they use excessive force and murder you.
At least it remains strong with the liberaltarians here who valiantly deflect from any negative stories regarding him and redirect it to trump.
Indeed.
The most skillful example of this approach was provided by Mr. Buttplug, who spent weeks trying to shut down any discussion of Afghanistan by spamming SLOPPY PULLOUT every time it came up. Eventually he did a 180 and decided it was, in fact, permissible to dwell on that humiliating shitshow — because he read on JuanCole.com that the whole thing was actually Drumpf's fault.
That's the level of left-libertarian #DefendBidenAtAllCosts expertise I hope to achieve one day.
The SLOPPY PULLOUT has pretty much been forgotten. 13 dead WORSE THAN IRAQ!
The new fake boogeyman is HAPERINFLATION!
But don't forget Professor Cole's wisdom. We're allowed to remember Afghanistan, as long as we emphasize that Drumpf deserves all the blame. And not just for the dead Americans. Orange Hitler is also personally responsible for the US attack that initially was claimed to have killed high-level ISIS-K planners, but which in fact killed children instead.
#DefendBidenAtAllCosts
turd lies. It’s what turd does. But turd’s dishonesty is only a symptom of a truly damaged mental condition.
turd is a pathological liar, not mentally equipped to understand that he’s lying and too stupid to know the rest of us have figured it out. turd's lame attempts at humor are but another symptom of his idiocy
If turd posts anything which isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s all he does.
Are you even trying anymore at this parody shtick?
You sound mad. Biden collapsing making you upset Chipper?
Are you going to try making an intelligent comment for once?
No. Why waste time?
Are you?
By the way, for anyone interested, Chipper Morning Wood is a sockpuppet of one of our much older resident Marxist retards called Episiarch. It was driving me nuts trying to place where the verbiage and idiocy came from. It's Episiarch. 100%.
He also thinks marxism and libertarianism have commonalities.
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Libertarians have more in common with Marxism than with modern conservatism. It’s sad that it’s come to that, but here we are.
I forgot he was shilling communism a while ago.
LOL
Biden is not in office to beg for the approval of middle-class registered Independents who are upset about rising grocery bills. He's there to reward the billionaires who supported his campaign by making them even richer. And by that crucial standard, Biden is already the best and most libertarian President ever — the 10 richest Americans have gained a combined $280,000,000,000 in just 9 months of the #BidenBoom.
#LibertariansForBiden
Of course! You'd never expect him to keep his promises, much less remember them. With sufficient purchases of Hunter's art, anyone can help shape Democracy, what a Progressive dream!
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#triggered
turd lies. It’s what turd does. Turd’s dishonesty is only a symptom of a truly damaged mental condition.
turd is a pathological liar, not mentally equipped to understand that he’s lying and too stupid to know the rest of us have figured it out.
If turd posts anything which isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s all he does.
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Hey Buttplug:
"COVID came from a wetmarket, Conservatives are all terrorists, Ivermectin doesn't work, HCQ doesn't work, Biden doesn't have dementia, Masks work, COVID passports, Cuomo didn't kill old people, Dominion systems were secure, Hunter Biden is an artist, Trump colluded with Russia, Jan 06 was an insurrection, Transwoman are real women, BLM is mostly peaceful, Trump had a pee pee tape, Antifa is an idea, George Floyd didn't overdose, Advanced coursework is racist, 1619 is real history, Hunter Laptop wasn't real, Trump caused asian hate, White rage is the problem, CRT isn't poisonous, All white people are racist, A pipe in ATL stopped the count, Jussie Smollet was attacked, China travel ban was racist, Words are violence, The military isn't woke, The FBI is apolitical, Shokin was fired for corruption, Obama didn't build cages, Iran never got cash pallets, The border is under control, Voter ID is racist, Biden is tough on Putin, Blasey Ford was credible, Swalwell isn't compromised, Kids should get the jab, Teachers had it the worst, WHO is an independent body, The Great Reset isn't real, Renting forever is just fine, Bailouts are necessary, Gain of Function wasn't funded, Hunter isn't incestuous, Double masking is best, Own nothing, be happy, Hillary had 98% chance to win, Melania was an escort, A video caused Benghazi, Ban fully semi-automatic guns, Trump camp wasn't spied on, Hunter was hired on merit, Hands up Don't Shoot happened, AR15s are weapons of war, Bubba Wallace noose was real, Covington Catholic kid is racist, Trump will start WW3, If you like your Dr., Keep your Dr., Trump said drink bleach, Assange is a criminal, Putin hacked VT electric grid, Trump threw out MLK, Jr bust, Kushner never got a Peace Deal, Trump banned Muslims, Mueller proved Trump-Cohen lie, Trump Jr had WikiLeaks access, Global warming is #1 threat, Arkancides are a myth,
"China stopped fentanyl export, Chauvin jury was impartial, Maxine Waters made no threat, Ed Buck was just a fundraiser, Schiff didn't leak classified info, COVID Spring break will kill you, Boulder shooter Alissa is white, Biden attended Delaware State, 2-Scoops was a Big deal, Weinstein shocked Hollywood, Guns owners don't stop crime, Brian Williams Heli was shot at, Hillary did land under sniper fire, Lauer's behavior was unknown, Joy Reid's blog was hacked, NY DA will take Trump down, You should report GOP family, Solyndra did nothing wrong, Prince Andrew isn't a Pedo, Kaepernick unsigned because racism, Avenatti will be great President, Coal miners: learn to code, No, Blackrock isn't to blame, Trump last-ditch war with Iran, Uranium One wasn't a scandal, Carter Page was Russian asset, Burisma did nothing wrong, AR15 used in all mass shooting, Trump stimulus is breadcrumbs, 1/6 riots planned assassination, Trump wants to Nuke North Korea, FISA warrants aren't abused, Democrats freed the Slaves, Tucker wasn't spied on, The GOP opposed Civil Rights, Biden never plagiarized, Trump hates the environment, The parties flipped, USMCA is a disaster, Biden didn't kill keystone jobs, Trump destroyed US leadership, Vince Foster committed suicide, CCP wont manipulate currency, Classical Music is Racist, Trump wont have magic wand, Paris Climate Accords help US, Trump is Anti-Semite, Math is Racist, What difference does it make, Manufacturing isn't returning, Trump will crash stock market, There is no deep state, Abolish gender pay gap, POC have trouble getting an ID, Seattle's CHAZ isn't dangerous, CNN townhall wasn't scripted, Trump hid in bunker, Ma'Khia was in schoolyard fight, The NC bathroom bill was evil"
Spoiler alert?
I hope one of those angry parents shoots you in the crotch with a 12 gauge shotgun.
Pepper Balls the second.
SleepyJoe is a failure.
Can Welch write an article that doesn't mention Trump?
Maybe his benefactor Charles Koch has mandated a quota of anti-Drumpf sentences per article.
No. Too soon.
No, constant public disdain for Emmanuel Goldtrump is a core tenet of party membership.
Welch’s penchant for incessantly referencing Trump is tweetering on the absurd.
To be fair, my town's daily has a Trump story on the front page almost every day. Yes, sometimes below the fold, but almost every day.
Huh, today they have two.
The TDS simps dress up in their Stormy Daniels costumes and saunter down to the newsstand to pick up their daily copy.
Yeah, it's so dumb that he compares the current president to the previous one.
Though not as dumb as you.
That concerns Biden's presidency? No, it couldn't have happened without Trump.
Because the news media has been so universally anti-Trump and pro-Democrat/Biden for so long, looking at the independents' faith in the news media to report the news fairly and accurately may be a useful proxy for their support of the Biden administration.
"Americans' Trust in Media Dips to Second Lowest on Record"
----Gallup, October 7, 2021
https://news.gallup.com/poll/355526/americans-trust-media-dips-second-lowest-record.aspx
As reported at that link, the percentage of people who have little or no faith in the media to report the news fairly and accurately breaks down like this:
Democrats: 32%
Independents: 69%
Republicans: 89%
Meanwhile, cable news viewership has declined dramatically at MSNBC and CNN. For goodness' sake, Gutfield's doing anti-Biden jokes on his latest iteration of Red Eye is beating the late night talk shows--making fun of Trump. It isn't just the survey results. It's faith in the news media. It's viewer ratings. And it's all trending the same way.
The Democrats are in deep shit come November of 2022 if something doesn't change, and if Biden gets his budget reconciliation bill passed, he'll be in even bigger trouble with the voters than he would be without it.
Only morons and socialists believe the left wing media propagandists (which comprise >90% of the overall news media).
So it appears that 68% of Democrats are either morons or socialists.
Or? Betting there's a lot of overlap on the Venn diagram.
Does a perfect circle qualify as a Venn Diagram?
they throw a hell of a concert
Now come on... there are some morons who are not socialists!
[Insert "Fistful of Yen" joke here]
It's political pornography for them. It's like reality TV show where the events are staged to support their favorite characters--both the ones they love and the ones they love to hate.
Watching the mainstream news is also like going to church for some of them. They're watching a sermon by a preacher who already agrees with them and reinforces what they already believe.
This study always grabs me:
"The group who names MSNBC as their main news source is far more likely than the Fox News group to answer correctly that the coronavirus originated in nature rather than a laboratory and that it will take a year or more for a vaccine to become available. On both questions, the portion in the CNN group to answer correctly falls between the MSNBC and Fox News numbers."
----Pew Research, April 1, 2020
https://www.pewresearch.org/journalism/2020/04/01/cable-tv-and-covid-19-how-americans-perceive-the-outbreak-and-view-media-coverage-differ-by-main-news-source/
Since April 1, we've discovered 1) that not only could have emerged from a lab but also probably did and 2) that the vaccines became available in less than a year.
That study shows the exact opposite of what it claims. MSNBC viewers were far less knowledgeable than skeptics of the media narrative who watch Fox, and CNN viewers were almost as poorly misinformed as MSNBC viewers.
Incidentally, I don't there's anything about Fox viewers that makes them smarter about these things--other than their general skepticism of the news media. Fox viewers are like contrarian investors. If you can sell when everyone else is buying and buy when everyone else is selling, you'll do well over time. And being skeptical of the news media--for good or bad reasons, not believing what everyone else believes--pays off over time. The madness of crowds is a real thing, and, historically, being skeptical of what everyone else believes has a decent batting average.
Where "answer correctly" means "repeat the answer that CNN and MSNBC already gave them".
Nice work.
Fox viewers are like contrarian investors. If you can sell when everyone else is buying and buy when everyone else is selling, you’ll do well over time. And being skeptical of the news media–for good or bad reasons, not believing what everyone else believes–pays off over time.
I think this is a really good way of describing the current situation.
I'm keeping a link to this summary. Skepticism has an excellent historical record, indeed.
All that is framed rosily. It's catastrophic when the opponent picks up on the stunning degree of control he has over them and exploits it with reverse psychology.
Exhibit A: we're fighting about vaccine mandates right now. You know who hates them? Trumpkins. You know who hates anti-vaxxers, who its easy to paint mandate opponents as? Suburban housewives (who aren't themselves the OG anti-vaxxers of the OC)
They goaded the right into fighting on unfavorable terrain, and that's likely to have huge negative political consequences.
With proper fortification and adequate crises, all electoral challenges can be overcome.
Anecdotally, I have several ex-California lib/prog clients that I somewhat circumspently discuss politics with for perspective. The hardcore Dem voting base is not happy at all either, but they're big on the unified front against Reps. The danger of spoiler candidates will be huge for Team Blue next year.
There isn't enough fortification in the world to save moderate Democrats from what's coming for them in 2022 if their progressive brethren manage to pass the $3.5 trillion budget reconciliation bill.
Shut up Ken.
You GOP hacks gloated about the 2004, 2010, 1nd 2016 landslides too.
Problem is the GOP sucks too and you lost big later each time.
turd lies. turd is a pathological liar, incapable of telling the truth, and entirely too stupid to know he is lying, let alone understand everyone else knows it.
If something turd posts isn't a lie, it's totally accidental.
turd lies; it's all turd does.
Thank you for perfectly illustrating what I just said. The timing is spot on, and you've got no clue.
ROFL. And you shit your pants about it every day like one of the screaming toddlers you like to fuck. Some things never change. Like you being a stupid, sub-70 IQ sexual predator who fucks prepubescent children and posts hardcore child pornography on the internet.
I love it when Buttplug loses his shit like this. Ken and Salted Nuts hit a nerve.
Apologize to Ken you lying, molesting, goddamn shitweasel. You don’t even deserve to be allowed to continue breathing.
You're such a fucking moron.
"Sure, they cheated their asses off in 2020, but now that they've federalized the illegal and unconstitutional Pennsylvania changes to election law to all 50 states, we're really gonna get 'em this time!"
1) The Republicans gained seats in 2020.
2) Stuffing the ballot box has been a great American tradition since before 1789. There's nothing new about it, and historical trends all happened despite all the ballot box stuffing.
3) The median loss for the president's party in his first midterm is -26 seats going back to the beginning of the 20th century, and the Republicans only need nine to take control of the House in 2022.
4) The moderate Democrats are all behaving as if they're afraid of losing their seats in 2020 if they vote to pass Biden's reconciliation bill. What do you know that they don't know about fortification?
5) Pelosi apparentlt expects the Democrats to lose control of the House in 2022--which is why she's promised not to seek the Speaker's chair after 2022.
6) Biden's approval among swing voting independents is running 2-1 against him.
7) All of these things are true regardless of whether I'm a moron.
I will say that the Dems have taken the cheats to new levels.
All seats are not created equal. Shrinking the Democrat house majority was much less gain to Republicans than the loss of the Senate majority. The 2020 election was a net loss for Republicans.
I know why you were saying that, given your audience but, you should stop coddling the psychotic Trumpkins. You're getting their vote anyway, or you're not getting it because their cult leader will continue encouraging them not to vote. Either way, your time is better spent attracting swing voters to a winning platform, rather than letting the ass end of the elephant lead the way over this or that cliff.
All those facts stand on their own--regardless of how you, I, or anyone feels about them. Here are some more facts that are what they are regardless of how we feel about them:
These are all the first term midterms going back to 1910.
First column is House seats won/lost. The last column is what I see as the dominant issue(s) of that midterm.
+9 1934 Franklin D. Roosevelt Great Depression Response
+8 2002 George W. Bush 9/11
-4 1962 John F. Kennedy Cuban Missile Crisis
-8 1990 George H. W. Bush USSR Falls, Operation Desert Shield
-9 1926 Calvin Coolidge 1st Midterm in 2nd Term (Harding Died)
-12 1970 Richard Nixon Vietnam, Kent State
-15 1978 Jimmy Carter Energy Crisis, Inflation
-18 1954 Dwight D Eisenhower McCarthyism
-22 1918 Woodrow Wilson Broken Promise not to Enter WWI
-26 1982 Ronald Reagan Recession
-42 2018 Donald Trump, Donald Trump
-47 1966 Lyndon B. Johnson Great Society, Civil Rights Act
-48 1974 Gerald Ford Nixon Pardoned
-52 1930 Herbert Hoover Smoot-Hawley Tariff, Great Depression
-54 1946 Harry S Truman Labor Unrest, Price Controls
-54 1994 Bill Clinton Gun Control, HillaryCare
-57 1910 William Taft Republican/Progressives Split
-63 2010 Barack Obama TARP, ObamaCare
-77 1922 Warren Harding Republican/Progressive Split
There are exceptions to the rule, like the country unifying behind George W. Bush in the 2002 midterms after 9/11 and before we invaded Iraq. Generally speaking, however, the more radical the president's agenda, the worse the president's party does in the House during his first midterm.
In my estimation, Biden's $3.5 trillion budget reconciliation bill is more radical than ObamaCare and TARP or Bill Clinton's Gun Control and HillaryCare. If that $3.5 trillion budget reconciliation bill passes, we should expect the Democrats to lose more than the 63 seats the Obama's Democrats lost in 2010 and more than the 54 seats Bill Clinton's Democrats lost in 1994. Even if Biden's budget reconciliation bill doesn't pass, the median number of seats the president's party loses in his first midterm is 26--and the Republicans only need to gain nine to take control of the House.
Joe Biden would need to perform somewhere north of where George H. W. Bush performed in order for the Democrats to maintain control of the House--and there is no good reason to think there's enough fortification to make that happen. Meanwhile, stuffing the ballot box has been a regular feature of American politics through all these historical trends, and the trends emerged as they are in spite of the "fortification" of the past.
Anyone who seriously believes the Democrats retaining control of the House in 2022 is likely is simply ignorant of the facts--or telling us about their feelings for some reason.
You’re not factoring the forthcoming cheating, emboldened by last year’s success.
"If that $3.5 trillion budget reconciliation bill passes, we should expect the Democrats to lose more than the 63 seats the Obama’s Democrats lost in 2010 and more than the 54 seats Bill Clinton’s Democrats lost in 1994. Even if Biden’s budget reconciliation bill doesn’t pass, the median number of seats the president’s party loses in his first midterm is 26–and the Republicans only need to gain nine to take control of the House.
Joe Biden would need to perform somewhere north of where George H. W. Bush performed in order for the Democrats to maintain control of the House–and there is no good reason to think there’s enough fortification to make that happen. Meanwhile, stuffing the ballot box has been a regular feature of American politics through all these historical trends, and the trends emerged as they are in spite of the “fortification” of the past.
----Ken Shultz
Seems to be well accounted for there!
Regardless of whether you think the Democrats will need to fix the 45 races (54 - 9) or the 15 races (26-9) necessary to keep control of the House (depending on whether the $3.5 trillion budget reconciliation bill passes), you're making a wild assumption in the face of all the evidence against it if you think they can commit enough fraud to overcome that. All those races since 1910 had ballot box stuffing of their own, and the median still had the president's party losing 26 seats anyway--despite all the ballot box stuffing of the past.
Meanwhile, the surveys showing that Independents are 2-1 against Biden are national statistics--which include House districts in California and New York that won't swing no matter what. The anti-Biden, anti-progressive vote is much worse for Democrats when you look at Midwestern swing districts, where the chances of Democrats losing are much higher than they are in California and New York.
69% either disapprove of Biden or are unsure in Iowa, and there are far fewer progressives in the Midwestern states like Iowa than there are in California and New York--and Iowa is pretty typical of the Midwest.
"Just 4% of Republicans say they approve of his job performance as president, while 95% disapprove. Among Democrats, that number is largely reversed, with 86% approving and 7% disapproving. A majority of political independents disapprove, at 62%, while 29% approve."
https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/politics/iowa-poll/2021/09/21/president-joe-biden-job-approval-rating-plunges-after-afghanistan-covid-surge/8378224002/
The idea that the Democrats can stuff the ballot box in Midwestern swing districts so thoroughly that they can overcome a 2-1 deficit against Biden is absurd--and you think they'll be able to orchestrate that level of fraud, not just in one district, but in dozens of red and purple districts (in red states, mind you), all over the country?!
Even if there was ballot box stuffing in 2020, the Republicans gained 12 House seats in 2020. Meanwhile moderate Democrats are fighting like hell not to vote for Biden's $3.5 trillion budget reconciliation bill--for fear of losing their seats if they vote for it. Meanwhile, Pelosi's promise to the Congressional Progressive Caucus not to seek the Speaker's chair after 2022 is almost certainly related to the reasonable expectation that the Democrats won't be in control of the House anyway--so Pelosi promising not to seek the Speakership was an empty promise.
We haven't even mentioned that Texas and Florida gained three House seats at the expense of blue states like California and New York because of the census.
All the evidence points to the Republicans taking the House in 2022--and, yes, that's accounting for whatever shenanigans happened in 2020. And as Biden's approval rating continues to circle the drain, the chances of the Democrats being able to overcome the opposition through shenanigans get worse.
I tend to agree with your analysis. However, I’ve learned to never underestimate the potential trial for skullduggery whenever the democrats are involved.
Repeating the word "fortification" is continued Trumpkin coddling. It's just vague enough to make them think you agree with their idiotic lies, but not simultaneously itself an idiotic lie that discredits you in the view of all non-Trumpkins.
You do know their main "evidence" for the fortification narrative is that Time article where prominent politicos talked about working behind the scenes to make sure Trump didn't blow up the electoral college following his defeat, right? Admittedly, it mixes in the left's narrative about liberalizing voting procedures (which also opens them up to fraud), but the part the Trumpkins are really mad about is that Trump wasn't able to steal the election himself.
And *everyone but them* is on board with not letting a sitting president pressure his vice president into blowing the ministerial duty to admit the electors. The belief that the opposite was possible - that the vice president could just deny or substitute whatever electors he wanted and unilaterally rig the presidential election - is how (the politically ruinous parts of) January 6 happened.
So those of you in the peanut gallery who are Trump-at-all-costs loons, you should realize that your tactics are self-defeating. I assume my entreaty to rationality will fall on deaf ears.
The Republicans will take the House in 2022 regardless of whether Trump supporters believe the elections are fair and regardless of whether there was ballot box stuffing in 2020. The forces lining up against Biden's Democrats in 2022 are simply too deep and too strong. Biden would need to become about as popular as Kennedy was in the aftermath of the Cuban missile crisis, and unless Biden single-handedly defeats the Chinese over Taiwan between now November of 2022, that ain't gonna happen. Historical average may come into play, but Biden isn't likely to get much more popular than he is right now, and the 2022 midterms are likely to be a referendum on Biden.
Agreed. The midterms are always a referendum on the President, but the American penchant for divided government is much more powerful. The Dems will lose the House and probably the Senate in the midterms. There is almost zero chance of a different outcome, short of an attack against America.
The fraud/cheat stuff is bullshit. It's not just an extraordinary claim lacking extraordinary evidence, it is an extraordinary claim lacking *any* evidence.
But that won't change the outcome. The GOP will take the House and probably the Senate. Based on trends and political issues, if Trump runs in 2024 it should be a close race that will hinge on issues in late 2023 and the first half of 2024. If a more moderate, reasonable Republican gets the nomination, it should be a GOP blowout.
Don't worry, the media will be back to pro-Trump, or rather, Trump-amplifying if he has a shot at the Republican nomination in 2024.
What pro-Trump media do you speak of, and do they also carry Unicorn steaks? I like mine rare.
The media was 100% in the tank for Trump in the 2016 Republican primary because, like Hillary, they (correctly) viewed him as the weakest candidate. They talked about him constantly and boosted his campaign. My schadenfreude at the irony inflicted on the media after Trump won is exceeded by my disappointment in your orange retard's performance.
Actual "pro"-Trump media is limited to OAN and the other moonbat networks, but the liberal media itself is a huge boon to Trump running against Republicans, and will continue to be.
"Gary Johnson's voters"
So you're argument is that he owes libertarians for winning the presidency and that's the real mandate here.
*Your
Yes, this is a wildly imaginative argument that is more about the Reason editorial staff's political preferences than reality.
No one is beholden to most 2016 libertarian voters because so many of them aren't libertarians, just people who couldn't vote for either Hillary or Trump. They went back to their respective parties or skipped voting in 2020.
Biden ended the war in Afghanistan. He defends reproductive freedom. He supports and defends marriage freedom. He's better on immigration. He's better on the drug war. His judges are better on substantive due process rights and procedural due process. Biden is better than Republicans from a libertarian perspective.
Biden ended the war in Afghanistan.
He actually delayed it from the May 1st withdrawal that Trump set to get his 9/11 photo op before the Taliban embarrassed him.
He defends reproductive freedom. He supports and defends marriage freedom. He’s better on immigration. He’s better on the drug war. His judges are better on substantive due process rights and procedural due process.
LOL, literally none of this is true. Try harder, Blue Balls.
Weird. Biden himself said that he had no choice on Afghanistan because of the agreement trump made.
What the fuck is marriage freedom?
2 million arrested at the border isn't better. Letting them enter unvetted or documented isn't better. It is idiotic.
He wrote/voted most of the drug war laws. Trump actually signed the first step act. So what the fuck are you even saying here?
The same judges that are holding j6 paraders in jail over misdemeanor and doubling sentences? Again, what the fuck are you talking about?
And you forgot... mandates, increased spending, increased taxes, going after political citizens like Bannon, doj issuing directives against parent protests, militarization of d.c. and Capitol Police, destroying energy independence, ending pipelines, etc. I mean the fucked just dismissed freedoms at last night's townhall dummy.
What the fuck drugs are you on?
Not on drugs... he's just solidly team BLUE
Living a Poe's law lifestyle.
Average CNN viewer. No drugs required.
But in fact, Joe Biden has advocated, enacted and financed the disastrous War on Drugs for the past 3 decades, which has incarcerated more than million Americans and has greatly expanded the wealth and power of illegal drug gangs (whose activities and guns have been responsible for many/most shootings and murders in Democrat run cities).
Biden has also greatly increased illegal immigration in the past year, which cannot be truthfully or honestly portrayed as "better on immigration".
5 decades, but who's counting anymore . . .
“Biden is better than Republicans from a libertarian perspective.”
The more you stupid leftist dick sucking statists post the more I sympathize with and understand Sevo’s mocking and venom filled posts. You are a hilariously bad liar and are beneath contempt. Btw, your articles are trash too.
“Biden is better than Republicans from a libertarian perspective.”
That is no doubt too kind of a perspective.
How about -
Biden is better than a lying corrupt twice impeached New York con man with seven convicted cabinet cronies that turned traitor when he lost his reelection bid.
Except... He's proving otherwise. Progressively worse!
turd lies. It’s what turd does, always.. But turd’s dishonesty is only a symptom of a truly damaged mental condition.
turd is a pathological liar, not mentally equipped to understand that he’s lying and too stupid to know the rest of us have figured it out.
If turd posts anything which isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s all he does.
How about -
Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2 got his original Sarah Palin's Buttplug account banned for posting hardcore child pornography at Reason.com and has an odd affinity for a president who has been caught on camera finger fucking a little girl and whose son has confessed in verified data from his own laptop computer to fucking his underage niece.
It's OK, they're Democrats.
I know I brought this on the commentariat and I'm sorry. I should never have said anything to encourage it.
a: He has no respect for body autonomy. So his 'reproductive freedom' is being used as a wedge issue to placate the progressive wing of his party-- which also doesn't support body autonomy.
"Marriage freedom". Ok...whatever.
He's worse on immigration. Way worse. This crisis was created by him and his party.
He's worse on the drug war.
Biden is worse than Republicans from a libertarian perspective on almost every metric. He's anti free speech. He's anti gun. He's anti body autonomy, he's pro open-ended welfare for anyone who does an end-zone dive across the border. He's anti capitalism, he's anti privacy. That's just the short list. I could go on.
The irony is that Trump was pro gay marriage before Biden or Obama.
But a libertarian perspective on marriage is that it shouldn't be involved outside of contract law. Instead it inserts itself with vague definitions of contracts it decides on at dissolution.
Biden is 'better on the drug war'?
WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK
Nope. More progtard bullshit.
Biden is NOT better than republicans from a libertarian perspective.
Why do you think the first and second amendment are on the very top of the bill of rights? Because free speech and an armed public with a spine are THE most important pillars of freedom.
And that is why Biden isn't fond of them. His party tries to censor and disarm the people whenever they can.
NO, Biden is NOT better from a libertarian perspective. He is the head of a movement that tries to take away the very fundamentals of freedom in this country.
No, Trump did that; Biden merely executed the withdrawal and did a piss-poor job at it. (Just like Biden inherited COVID vaccines and economic growth and screwed up.)
Everybody supports reproductive freedom: whether you have children or not is your choice.
Biden was opposed to gay marriage for most of his career, when it actually mattered. Now that it is politically safe, he pays lip service to it. Biden has been useless for gay rights.
Biden has done shit for immigration. And his push to give amnesty to millions of illegal aliens is a slap in the face of actual immigrants who often spent decades going through the legal process. And Biden has made no substantive proposals to reform immigration.
What are you talking about? Biden has been pushing draconian anti-drug laws, mass incarceration, and draconian punishments for most of his career. Biden literally coined the term "drug czar".
Biden has always been an authoritarian and opportunist, and in recent years, he has gotten into bed with the radical left.
Or they voted for the best qualified candidate, a successful two-term governor who had a plan to balance the budget.
I volunteered (and voted) for both both Gary Johnson and Jo Jorgensen and I agree they would both have made significantly better presidents than any of the other candidates. Anecdotally, there was a lot less enthusiasm to avoid the major party candidates in 2020.
I voted for Gary Johnson in '16, enthusiastically, but JoJo didn't really do much for me.
I would have voted for Trump over Biden if Trump's lead in my state got closer than 10-15% points. I think he won by nearly 20%.
Jo Jorgensen
@Jorgensen4POTUS
It is not enough to be passively not racist, we must be actively anti-racist.
#BlackLivesMatter #VoteGold
Better than the alternatives for me. You could dig up plenty of anti-libertarian tweets from Trump and Biden if you were so inclined.
Gary Johnson and Jo Jorgensen had the same problem Trump had: they were outsiders with very limited ability to recruit the kind of people who can stand up to career bureaucrats. Trump at least could rely on his business connections and wealth, as well as his ability to stand up and fight; Johnson and Jorgensen would have been pushovers for the bureaucracy.
I'm not sure most Johnson voters were actually libertarians. I think a lot of them were center-left Democrats who didn't like Clinton, but liked Trump even less, and they voted for Johnson figuring Hillary would win anyway. They did not make that mistake a second time.
"I think a lot of them were center-left Democrats who didn’t like Clinton, but liked Trump even less..."
Come to think of it, that's an apt description of Johnson except that he is not a registered Democrat.
I voted Johnson in 2016 wasn't sure about Trump and never Hillary and was summarily called a racist and yelled at in my social circles for not voting Hillary here in the liberal part of MT. I've distanced my self from them as that was the first I noticed cancel culture in action.
The Biden administration is tanking. With humility.
Humility is in short supply in the Biden Administration. Must be stuck on the cargo ships like everything else.
Utmost humility in pointing out it was Trump's fault, of course.
Yeah, "The Buck Stops Here" Biden touch.
Needs moar admirals.
Just curious.
I noticed this newly minted sailor has four ribbons on his uniform. Yet I cannot find a match in the Navy awards listing for any of them.
Anyone know what those pretty pieces of cloth are supposed to represent?
Gender. He is 4.
Careful now, you'll get shreek all hot and bothered.
From what I can tell:
Public Health Service Presidential Unit Citation*
Public Health Service COVID-19 Campaign Medal (I can't make this shit up)
Public Health Service Regular Corps Ribbon
Commissioned Corps Training Ribbon
*compare the requirements of this to the Presidential Unit Citation of the US Military.
Awards and Decorations of the Public Health Service
I... Wow.
Do they also have their perfect attendance ribbon and that pretty rainbow one from the spelling bee last Autumn?
Affirmative action needs to be severely beaten.
I'm taking a random guess here: the "Best Benjamin Franklin Lookalike in Public Service" ribbon?
"Biden's Support Among Independents Has Crashed"
Looks like Democrat activists will have to manufacture and count tens of millions more votes next year (than they did last year) to prevent the GOP from retaking the US House, US Senate, several Governor's offices and state legislative bodies, and hundreds/thousands of local school boards.
I wish man. Unfortunately you're just delusional.
Strudel, you really are a shitty excuse for a human being. You WANT corruption in voting to help your team (vote Independent lol) win?
Progs are totalitarians and need to be purged.
You're so fucking stupid. I was being sarcastic because Bill believes crazy shit.
You’re so fucking stupid.
Speaking from experience, Blue Balls?
And he claims an idiotic post is "sarcasm." Why is this a go to for leftists?
Because feelings. And it's never their fault.
Because it worked for Jon Stewart for 15 years and most of them are still stuck in 2004.
based on your previous comments its hard to tell that you were kidding... or hard to believe...
Now tell us about Alfa Bank and Trump's pee pee tape, Jakie.
You are 100% correct. They have to go.
They'll certainly try. They've become incredibly brazen about it.
One consequence is that far left states aren't going to be smacked back into some semblance of sanity as they would be when cyclical politics were at play. They'll be stuck purity spiraling further and further left.
I don't see it ending peacefully. Progs won't let it.
As Tim Pool has pointed out, media keeps claiming GOP has gone far right but, in reality, they've actually gone a little left. The Dems, however, on an issue by issue basis, have gone DRAMATICALLY to the Left over the last 20 years.
Obama, as leftist as he was, would be a very conservative Democrat now if he ran on the same nonsense he professed to believe in 2008.
I think you give American voters too much credit; after decades of indoctrination in public schools, the majority of those under 40 see no problem with democratic socialism and will vote for it no matter what. Election manipulation may accelerate the process a little, but the outcome looks inevitable at this point.
To boost his support among independents, Biden will now sing Johnny Cash:
I've been ev'rywhere, man, I've been ev'rywhere
I've been to Washington Wilmington Washington Wilmington
Washington Wilmington Washington Wilmington
Washington Wilmington Washington Wilmington
Washington Wilmington Washington Wilmington
Washington Wilmington Washington Wilmington
Scranton Scranton Washington Wilmington
I've been ev'rywhere...
Fuck Joe Biden.
Let’s Go Brandon
Let's let Brandon go fuck Joe Biden
At least Dr. Jill has gone down.
Last football game, we decided to drink every time someone said, "fuck Joe Biden", I don't remember the game.
Biden naps every time he hears it.
I'd be interested in knowing where Libertarian Party voters stand on issues and demographics, by the same exit polling that showed most of them in 2016 would've taken Biden over Trump. We know that the great majority of LP voters aren't radical libertarians; are they even moderate libertarians, compared to the average voter? Let's not conflate them as £ibertarians.
I meant 2020, not 2016.
Maybe they're just for "the craziest motherfucker in the room", as Amash(?) said. And absent the choice for president of — I forgot who the LP nominee was in 2020 — they'd've chosen Biden because they knew he was demented.
JoJo.
"We should all be anti-racist" jo.
She didn't know what the fuck she was saying.
She was hugely disappointing by the end of it, I agree.
Supporting Black Lives Matter is an automatic deal breaker. And now that we know even more about how shady that organization is, it's a positively toxic waste dump of a deal breaker.
BLM wasn't (and isn't) very organized, and there were parts of the initial messaging I could agree with. Then... Wingnuts galore.
Now it's a great signal to gtfo.
BLM wasn’t (and isn’t) very organized
^ I suspect they got scammed as much as anyone. I couldn't help but notice at the time the strange coincidence that after ActBlue volunteered to handle their donation-gathering operation pro bono right about when the BLM folks started saying they feel like they didn't get very much money for how much apparent interest there was, a bunch of money from "millions of small, anonymous donors" showed up out of nowhere in Biden's campaign coffer, supplied by ActBlue.
And the founders bailed with their new mansions. Pretty obviously a farce to anyone not snorting the CNN dust.
Well, most of the commentators here would disagree, despite how hard Reason pushed propoganda.
Disagree with what? Or whom? Disagree with something I wrote? Or with each other? Or with Reason's propaganda?
Yes.
The great majority of LP voters seem to be progressives who don't happen to like the Democrats for some reason.
The LP is worse than useless: they give libertarianism a bad name.
It's almost like, generally, libertarian ideals are culturally liberal and fiscally conservative. But since culture war issues are emotionally resonant and fiscal issues like balanced budgets, decreasing regulations, and decreasing spending are, while ultimately more important, a snoozefest to most people, libertarians look more like "progressives" to right-libertarians like the Austrian school folks.
But independents have an outsized influence on matters involving the current and former presidents in particular. That's because without those partisan free agents, Donald Trump, who won the cohort over Hillary Clinton in 2016 by one percentage point, might still be president.
Yeah, but they aren't the be all/end all, either. Romney actually won more independents in 2012, and Obama still kicked his ass.
The unpopularity of recent Presidents with independent voters centers around failures to get things done. While partisans want things done their way, I think Independents just want things to get done. The problem is likely to continue with the large partisan divide and the unwillingness of one party to do anything that could be seen as helping the other party. In the end the best course of action for the independent voter is to look not at the candidate's party but at the most moderate/centrist candidate.
And many of them in 2020 though Biden was a moderate centrist, based on his prior career in politics. And never bothered to read his campaign platform, or didn't believe it was genuine if they did.
I think a lot of them indeed didn't believe it was genuine, because they thought him demented. They knew someone else would be pulling the strings, didn't trust that they'd laid their cards out in the campaign, and were willing to take the pig in the poke as to who it would really be. That would've been my own assessment had I been voting and not liked Trump enormously.
President Biden is a centrist. Most of the modern President have been centrists, usually to the right or left of center. Trump did not really have a political ideology and was more of a populist.
Most of Biden's agenda is quite popular on the face. I suspect that the details would result in less popularity. I don't think independents are losing interest in Biden because of his agenda but rather that he doesn't seem able to get things done. Independents, like many Progressives, fail to see that the Democrats while in control do not have enough of a majority to accomplish very much. Also Biden promised unity but can not deliver that unilaterally.
Most of Biden’s agenda is quite popular on the face
Ignorance or lie?
Because you can't say people are for something without including the cost side of it. And 70% of voters are now against the spending he is proposing to pay for said benefits.
"President Biden is a centrist..."
You.
Are.
Full.
Of.
Shit.
Independents don't want $4 gas, inflation higher than GDP growth, and a bunch of worthless, overstepping mandates.
Or there's always the possibility that you're a knuckle dragging fucking retard who has been consistently wrong about everything for more than a decade, shreek.
Biden used to be a "centrist" in the sense that he was a political opportunist who would do whatever seemed to advance his career; war mongering, big spending, pork, and throwing people into jail were some of his "centrist" policies.
These days, Biden is a figurehead; he'll just do and say whatever his handlers tell him to.
If he can get all the words they feed him out to the public in the right order.
Or identifying as independent is a vanity play for those who think their hyper partisan political views are just so incredibly genius, they are not based in politics at all, but just brilliant (un)common sense.
Which is also why liberals identify as libertarians, too.
“Listen to me! I’m not partisan and I’m S.M.R.T. Smart!”
So you are saying that independent voters are really progressives who are unhappy that Democrats don't pass enough laws? Well, maybe some of them.
As an independent, I want the federal government to do less, the very opposite of "getting things done".
I don't think the "recent Presidents" reference was just Trump. Even though Obama enjoyed widespread popularity through most of his Presidency, it decreased as political gridlock froze the government. Bush had higher highs due to 9/11, but he also slipped as his Presidency went on. Same with Clinton and Reagan. George H. W. Bush never was very popular, which is why he was a one-term President. I've always thought the irony is that independents dislike gridlock, but invariably vote for divided government. So they are the cause of their own discontent.
I am with you that the federal government should do less. More specifically, it should decrease business regulations to protective elements, protect the basic rights of citizens (which doesn't include a chicken in every pot), and balance the budget.
However, I'm not an anarchist so I can't get behind opposing government getting things done. There will always be things that need to be addressed by government and paralyzing government based on an unwillingness to compromise is cutting off your nose to spite your face.
Hey, Newsom was polling at 52% approval heading into the recall, but it didn't stop him from getting 65% of the reported vote.
He was potentially capable of getting well over 100% of the vote. Given that democrats count the ballots there.
1. Trump is no longer in politics.
2. The polls are full of shit.
Trump's as much in politics now as he's been since 2015.
Just the media not covering him now as they did then, now that they've seen what he can do.
The coverage in 2015 consisted of making fun of him.
He's probably still getting more coverage than that today. Now they are afraid of him.
Even left wing CNN criticized Biden for telling lots of lies last night.
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/spencerbrown/2021/10/22/cnn-forced-to-fact-check-joe-bidens-cnn-townhall-n2597864
But of course, the pathetic left wing ass kisser Anderson Cooper failed to challenge or correct any of Biden's many false claims (and instead attempted to cover up Biden's disastrous peformance.
His own white house released almost a dozen fixes to his statements in real time.
I'm just shocked they let him on live tv again.
Did you see the video I posted of his hands? This dude is in major trouble.
Nope. Was it as funny as him saying he hasn't been to the border, but Jill has gone down?
The internet is calling Biden's pose "The Cornholio Pose"
Excited for his new jetpack.
Finding ANY group which give droolin' Joe a 97% approval rating says more about that group than it does about droolin' Joe.
While the Democrats and their left wing media ass kissers continue to refer to the mostly peaceful protest on Jan 6 as an "insurrection", AG Garland acknowledge to Congress that NONE of the protesters at the Capitol on Jan 6 have been charged with "insurrection".
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/spencerbrown/2021/10/21/ag-garland-debunks-democrat-insurrection-claims-about-january-6th-n2597813?utm_campaign=rightrailsticky3
Has the Twitter crowd started calling independents "fascists" yet? If not it's probably coming soon.
Fuck Joe Biden.
I said it.
Because it is so fucking witty and meaningful! It says a lot about the greasy-haired rednecks who chant it in public.
turd lies. It's what turd does. turd is a pathological liar, not mentally equipped to understand that he's lying and too stupid to know the rest of us have figured it out.
If turd posts anything which isn't a lie, it's totally accidental.
turd lies; it's all he does.
That's another thing Drumpf supporters will never be able to match — your wit. It's a stroke of creative genius to write "Con Man" with capital letters like you've been doing for 5 years.
And the signature genitalia- and toilet-based humor: Buttplug! Moneyshot! Tiny mushroom dick! SLOPPY PULLOUT!!!!!!!!!! Truly the products of a mature intellect.
#DefendBidenAtAllCosts
That's GOOD!
Hey, I am a Howard Stern fan.
Stern knows him some Trump too.
turd lies. It’s what turd does. But turd’s dishonesty is only a symptom of a truly damaged mental condition.
turd is a pathological liar, not mentally equipped to understand that he’s lying and too stupid to know the rest of us have figured it out.
If turd posts anything which isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s all he does.
Hey, I am a Howard Stern fan.
You mean the guy who went from an in-your-face shock jock to an establishment boot-licker because he's too terrified to leave his own Manhattan penthouse how?
All of the radical leftists around here have to idolize comics and shock jocks from 30 years ago since their own ideology killed comedy. See also: sarcasmic and his continual love affair with Jon Steward and strangely creepy obsession with a Lindsay Lohan jailbail flick from 2004.
Their team runs every single cultural institution now, and corporate America parrots their shibboleths, but they still want to pretend that they're the underdogs.
No wonder they want to declare parents who don't agree with their agenda as "domestic terrorists."
Lol
Now compare and contrast negative news coverage between the two and tell me this is an apples to apples comparison.
Right, because reporting on convicted sleazebags like Roger Stone, Cohen, Manaport, etc was just media bias showing.
turd lies. It’s what turd does. But turd's dishonesty is only a symptom of a truly damaged mental condition.
turd is a pathological liar, not mentally equipped to understand that he’s lying and too stupid to know the rest of us have figured it out.
If turd posts anything which isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s all he does.
Yeah, pretty much. Did any of them do anything like Sandy Berger stuffing state secretes down his pants to sell to the chinks? Or, you know, fuck their own underage niece?
Have a closet full of misplaced fbi files?
"Now compare and contrast negative news coverage between the two and tell me this is an apples to apples comparison."
Probably more accurately "propaganda".
Four years with the constant drone of 'the walls are closing in', the tipping point', 'the beginning of the end' compares to 'well, Joe didn't do too well getting out of Afghanistan'.
Interviewing him every day in his pajamas? Wall to wall coverage?
Sorry they reported on some of his foibles too.
Back from the bathhouse early?
Looks like more bad news for Democrats in Virginia, as the Loudoun County Superintendent sent all school board members an e-mail (back in May) informing them the sexual assault had occurred.
https://thefederalist.com/2021/10/22/loudoun-superintendent-notified-school-board-of-alleged-bathroom-sexual-assault-in-may/
Is it really bad news if nothing happens?
WOW
>>As Democrats wrangle over his domestic agenda
in-depth first-sentence baloney is half the reason I do Reason lol
"Biden's Support Among Independents Has Crashed" is a understatement. I'm an independent, despised Trump, disliked Biden, but feel that Trump as disgusting as he is, was a better President than Biden. Don't get me wrong, neither should have ever been President.
I don't advocate Trump being President again, but would not shed a tear if Biden was no longer President. The mere notion of Kamala Harris as President does invoke a Halloween Horror show in my mind; where you scream at the screen at the idiots to stop hiding in the dark room with all the chainsaws hanging from the ceiling.
We have extremely poor choices from the two major parties. Both of the major parties are disgusting and corrupt. We need to breakup the duopoly to restore the soul of the nation and cast out the corrupt authoritarians.
Yes, Biden has lost many independents, but the problem is much, much worse.
What's your problem with Harris? Has she even articulated a political position this whole time?
She’s incapable of that level of competency or coherence.
Veep is only funny while the egomanical entitled authoritarian bitch is fictional.
That's the problem with Harris. See, even you realize it.
That's why you line up behind noted policy wonk Donald Trump.
Example... everyone stands stony-faced, pretending like NOTHING is going on.
Damn Reason flags. Placeholder reply while I click the link.
Ahahahhahahahaaa, that was great. Anderson was so uncomfortable.
Poor Joe thinks he’s standing at a podium. Senior abuse.
I cannot fathom the idiocy of Republicans that want Trump to run again. What do they think is going to happen? He has zero chance of being elected. Get your head out of your ass.
The vast majority of Republicans agree. Even ignoring his unpopularity, Trump is just too old. The only problem is that there doesn't seem to be any central leader.
Abbot and DeSantis are the two clear choices, but I don't think either of them have any desire to leave their states. The only other large scale leader that I can think of would be Clarence Thomas, and he's certainly not leaving the bench. All the other choices I can think of would be like running McCain again.
60% think he should remain a key figure.
https://m.jpost.com/american-politics/gop-support-for-trump-2024-is-growing-poll-681255
I honestly don't understand the mindset that can't see the media was hostile and buy in to half the lies. Or the mindset that can't separate things that matter, policy, from behavior.
I have just one word for you ....
Kristi Noem
True, he'll be nearly as old and senile as Joe Biden was in 2020 by the next election. What is he, out of his mind?
The fact is that Donald Trump is making money and he will likely milk it for all it worth. If that means running and losing so be it. Problem is that he will likely wait long enough to screw any other potential Republican, if he does drop out. Trump is the gift that keeps on giving to Republicans.
He's currently telling them not to vote if he doesn't get his revolution.
He was more shocked than Hillary in 2016. He might as well have been a plant the whole time, with some unfortunate outside intervention helping him fail upward.
You better hope that you leftist fuckers back down. Or their will indeed be a revolution. One you will likely not survive.
Hi, PG, infect yourself with a deadly disease because some mantits on FOX News told you to lately?
No. I make my decisions based on scientific analysis. Something you are too stupid to understand.
Out of curiosity, can you name any scientists who aren't Charles Murray?
So the extreme right will start a civil war because the left won't become conservative? Or, I guess, that the left won't stop pushing for their priorities and let the right win?
Now tell me how if there is a civil war the left will start it.
He has zero chance of being elected
Yeah, that's what all the lefturds thought when they decided to make him the only Republican candidate who would get any press coverage at all, since Hillary was sure he'd be the easiest one to beat.
-jcr
Go Woke, Go Vote Broke.
But if Republicans can capitalize on Biden's weakness among these groups, that could be their ticket back to controlling Congress next year."
Are there people who think this isn't happening?
Not anyone who has a passing familiarity with the history of midterm elections.
As for me, I will be voting for Brandon. Let's go!
long live independent society
The real poll asks "How's Biden doing among the vote counters in swing state urban areas"?
On election day: 27%
After election day: 98%
Presidents that are elected on a negative case don't sustain support. Why is that surprising? Trump (barely) won by being not-Hillary. Biden won by being not-Trump. The last president who won on an affirmative case was Obama and his affirmative case was utterly vapid.
But it undeniably helps to give voters something to cloak their own hatred of the incumbent, hatred of the incumbent, and white guilt, respectively.
Nah. The teleprompter-in-chief got nominated because he wasn't Hillary.
-jcr
Obama won because Bush was a disaster and voters were tired of stupid people in the White House. Palin was a big mistake.
But I can think of worse things than a country that elects a black president to feel good about itself.
Yes, Biden.
True. And then Obama demonstrated that smart people are even better at being incompetent, corrupt, and dishonest than stupid people.
Not a single indictment in 8 years. Quite possibly the least corrupt government in American history. You're just saying lies and expecting people who aren't toddlers to buy them.
The only reason Trump ‘lost’ is because the democrats were able to sow chaos and fraud because of KungFlu. If not for the ‘pandemic’, he almost certainly would have overcome any democrat fraud.
The only reason Trump ‘lost’ is because the democrats were able to sow chaos and fraud because of KungFlu. If not for the ‘pandemic’, he almost certainly would have overcome any democrat fraud.
The persistence of believe in voter fraud by Republican voters is really odd. Election fraud of any kind is a crime. And people usually only believe that a crime has been committed when there is evidence that is sufficient to sustain prosecution, even if not a conviction. How many people are being prosecuted for fraud in the 2020 election? How many were prosecuted for fraud in 2016 or 2018? As far as I can tell, the numbers in individual states are all in the single digits, if there are any.
To believe that there were even just 42,000 fraudulent votes cast in three states* in 2020 is to believe that it is so hard to find the fraud that less than 0.1% of the fraudulent votes will ever be discovered. If it was really that easy to get away with election fraud, then we couldn't trust any election result, not just for President. But over 100 Republican Congressmen objected to certifying the results that had put many of them into Congress. Or did the Democrats rig the presidential race through fraud and forget to do the same for Congress?
*This was the total margin of victory by Biden in Arizona, Georgia, and Wisconsin. If those three states went for Trump instead, it would have been a 269-269 EV tie, and the GOP had the majority in more state delegations in the House to provide Trump the needed votes to prevail there. Of course, some Trump fans believe that Biden's 7 million popular vote lead was entirely due to fraud, just like Trump claimed 3 million illegals voted for Hillary in 2016.
Of course there was fraud. The lost chain of custody documents, ballot harvesting, etc. across multiple states is breathtaking. That doesn’t even take into account the unconstitutional changes to voting laws in said states, or the unconstitutional legal decisions made by activist judges in court.
If you still think the 2020 election was kosher, I can’t help you. You’re either willfully obtuse or just don’t give a damn.
Of course there was fraud. The lost chain of custody documents, ballot harvesting, etc. across multiple states is breathtaking.
I don't know what chain of custody documents were lost in which states, where ballot harvesting occurred in states that don't allow it, and what qualifies as ballot harvesting anyway where the risk of fraud is significant. Someone that you know dropping off your ballot certainly shouldn't be seen as more risky than putting it in a mailbox, but some states only allow people that live with you doing it and for a very limited number of ballots.
Besides, none of that is evidence that fraud actually took place. You just think it has a higher risk of fraud, for reasons you haven't explained yet.
That doesn’t even take into account the unconstitutional changes to voting laws in said states, or the unconstitutional legal decisions made by activist judges in court.
That is purely your opinion that these things were "unconstitutional". (Cue the meme from The Big Lebowski) Those "activist" judges you mention are the ones empowered to decide what procedures are following the laws and constitutions, not people like us arguing on the internet.
This is exactly why I made this comment. You and I alone don't get to decide whether there was significant fraud. And elected governors and legislators with more than obvious partisan biases shouldn't be making a decision alone to toss the certified results as if it isn't necessary for them to convince anyone but their equally partisan base that those results can't be trusted. That is doing away with the whole idea of consent of the governed if the current group in power can simply ignore elections that would throw them out.
If the "stolen election" crowd, which apparently includes you, can't even convince some elected Republicans that there is significant fraud, let alone a majority of independent voters, then it doesn't matter if 70, 80, or even 90% of Republican voters are buying into what Trump and his acolytes are saying. We don't put people in jail based on a minority of the general public being convinced that someone is guilty. It takes a verdict from a neutral jury to do that. (And most states require the jury to be unanimous, at that.)
I'm not being "willfully obtuse" and I certainly "give a damn". I just require objective and verifiable evidence before I'm willing to believe that fraud swayed the 2020 election results. Neither you, Rudy Giuliani, the Cyber Ninjas, Trump or anyone else on that side has been convincing. As an example of why I am so unconvinced, see this case. The Nevada GOP played up a man saying that someone cast a ballot in his deceased wife's name. (She died in 2017.) Well, they are prosecuting someone for that - the husband.
There was fraud. I think I've read about a dozen cases of it from 2020.
Every single one a Trump voter.
When we find a dead body with a gunshot wound, we know that a crime has been committed., whether or not anybody ever gets charged with that crime.
In the 2020 election, all other fraud and manipulation issues aside, the people committing the fraud successfully covered their tracks. That's why audits yield nominally correct counts, but cannot actually verify that the votes that were cast were valid.
Correct: voting in the US isn't trustworthy and hasn't been for decades. Remember the hanging chads? Election procedures in the US are a joke.
When we find a dead body with a gunshot wound, we know that a crime has been committed., whether or not anybody ever gets charged with that crime.
So where's the dead body? Why should I believe that anyone was murdered when there is no body and no blood trail and no one is even verified as being missing?
In the 2020 election, all other fraud and manipulation issues aside, the people committing the fraud successfully covered their tracks. That’s why audits yield nominally correct counts, but cannot actually verify that the votes that were cast were valid.
I'm going to break civility here. This is a complete bullshit argument. There is no evidence of fraud because the fraudsters were just that good at covering their tracks? That's a heads I win, tails you lose argument if I've ever seen one. You are using a get-out-of-having-to-provide-evidence-free Monopoly card.
Correct: voting in the US isn’t trustworthy and hasn’t been for decades. Remember the hanging chads? Election procedures in the US are a joke.
Great. Florida has come a long way since then, with the GOP that has completely controlled the state government since 1999 declaring that the 2020 election here was a roaring success. But that didn't stop them from making all kinds of changes aimed at putting obstacles in the way of voters that might pick Democrats. How about you be specific about what voting procedures you think are so poor and name some countries that do things better? Please be specific, so that I know whether you know what you are talking about rather than just repeating what you want to believe.
"In the 2020 election, all other fraud and manipulation issues aside, the people committing the fraud successfully covered their tracks."
So there's no reason to believe that fraud occurred, but fraud definitely, without a doubt, occured? By that logic, anyone can claim anything and insist that it's true.
Welcome to the internet, where your crazy aunt gets 100% of her "news."
The State will never allow for investigation and prosecution because if fraud was ever proven to the extent that even you would believe it, we would be long past the point of criminal trials.
At all levels, the State has every reason to suppress all inquiries into elections. That's the real Deep State. The current form of government that refuses to jeopardize its own existence, even if that government is corrupt and does not deserve to exist.
Also, your claim about illegals voting is a gross misrepresentation of the issue.
The first problem is that California provides the documents required and creates an environment where an illegal immigrant could plausibly vote. CA creates risk and does nothing to track or mitigate it. I don't think anybody here wants the sort of government where Trump could have investigated California, but to say there is zero reason for suspicion is a bold faced lie.
The second problem is the theft of representation via illegal immigration. Blue states like CA, IN, and NJ are now losing seats due to their failed policies, but since Reagan amnesty, these states encouraged and facilitated illegal immigration to pad the census rolls. This enabled states to overstate their citizen population and steal seats in the HoR and electoral votes from states that complied with federal immigration enforcement. This argument will never fly legally because the repercussions are too severe for the State to enforce, but morally speaking, the perpetrators who benefitted from illegal immigration committed treason by creating rogue states with themselves serving as executives, destroying and subverting the citizen population for their own personal and political gain. Fortunately, their gamble is self destructive. Citizens are waking up to this reality and fleeing these states. Their empires will crumble once they have no tax revenue and no legal residents to prop up the scheme.
I have to hand it to Republicans. Infecting themselves an their voting base with a deadly disease in the hopes that independents would blame Biden? I knew they were good, but I didn't think they had such strategic genius in them.
Now apply that logic to the group with the lowest vaccination rates and highest COVID rates: African Americans and Native Americans!
Now diss Jews, soccer moms, Hispanics, and Asians. Because none of them vote.
Kaiser foundation has led the way in demographics and vaccination status. Judge for yourself.
https://www.kff.org/coronavirus-covid-19/poll-finding/kff-covid-19-vaccine-monitor-profile-of-the-unvaccinated/
That liberals still support Biden, a cognitively disabled liar, a puppet of the socialist, shows they are brainwashed fools. Yeah, Biden is going to bring them utopia. LOL
Yes, they are brainwashed fools: public education turned them into that. And public education is producing more and more of those brainwashed fools, which is why I don't have high hopes for the US.
By that you mean to contrast public education with that provided by religious institutions?
As long as we protect the kids from brainwashing.
i think tulsi needs to run for president as non democratic candidate. people from dem-rep-ind, all will vote for her to some extent. i dont know if she would win or not, but she would certainly be better and more respectable candidate against current leadership.
Bi-party system has some drawbacks, it sort of provides immunity to corruption.
Tulsi doesn't have a chance. She would split the moderate vote, possibly helping some left wing radical win.
I love it that Putin has like one guy on Reason. I don't know if that means they made it or what.
Come to think of it, the bots are doing a shitty job lately. Real rote stuff. Must be the death and chaos in Russia that's got his attention.
Just a lonely Tulsi bot in a basement somewhere. They forgot to cut off his checks and he just keeps going.
We love it that shitstain proves to be a lefty fucking ignoramus.
Fuck off and die, asshole.
Imagine Biden's ratings if journalists, celebs, and entertainment weren't waving their pom poms for him.
Imagine Trump's ratings if all the whiny sad boomers succumbed to their greasy shit diets at once.
Imagine if shitstain had a brain cell!
Naah.
Fuck off and die asshole.
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