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Why Is This Beer Banned in 15 States?

Plus: Doctor admits to breaking Texas abortion law, why child care centers can't find workers, and more...

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A special edition Samuel Adams beer is helping to highlight silly state alcohol restrictions. Each fall, Samuel Adams puts out a new "Utopias" beer, with this year's set to be released on October 11. The 2021 Samuel Adams Utopias clocks in at 28 percent alcohol by volume (ABV)—making it illegal in 15 states.

"If you live in Alabama, Arkansas, Georgia, Idaho, Missouri, Mississippi, Montana, North Carolina, New Hampshire, Oklahoma, Oregon, South Carolina, Utah, Vermont and West Virginia, don't even look. Utopias is illegal in those states because of its high alcohol content," according to the Samuel Adams website.

Your typical beer used to clock in around or under 5 percent ABV. But recent years have seen an explosion of craft beers—especially India pale ales—with 6, 7, or even 8 percent ABV, and many companies rolling out even higher-alcohol-content brews. (For comparison, wine tends to have an ABV around 11 or 12 percent, and spirits above 40 percent.)

Many states have ABV-based rules around where alcohol can be sold. For instance, in Mississippi, only beer at 5 percent ABV and under can be sold in grocery and convenience stores, though beer up to 10 percent ABV can be sold in specialty stores. In Ohio, liquor at more than 21 percent ABV can only be sold in liquor stores, though groceries and other stores can sell lower ABV spirits and liqueurs.

In addition, many states outright ban beer above a certain ABV, even though it's perfectly legal to buy wine or spirits at that alcohol level.

"Such laws are largely holdovers from the demise of Prohibition, when states, concerned about the return of legal alcohol, imposed their own piecemeal restrictions as checks on drunkenness and alcoholism," explained The Week a few years ago. "Like many blue laws, they've since sat on the books, growing dusty, outdated, and forgotten. That is, until the recent craft beer explosion."

The good news is that a number of states have been responding to market forces and raising their limits for beer ABV. It's a trend that began in the '00s. "Montana raised its limit to 14 percent in 2008, while Vermont upped its cap to 16 percent," notes The Week. "Alabama and West Virginia followed suit one year later, increasing their ABV limits to 13.9 percent and 12 percent, respectively, from 6 percent."

In recent years, this trend has grown, with more states loosening ABV restrictions by locale or overall and some, like West Virginia, pushing them even higher. In 2019, West Virginia moved its ABV limit up to 15 percent.

Utah in 2019 finally let go of its rule requiring a limit of 4 percent ABV (or 3.2 percent alcohol by weight) for beers sold in grocery and convenience stores—though nonstate stores are still limited to selling 5 percent ABV beer. Kansas dismissed a similar rule back in 2017, allowing beer up to 6 percent ABV to be sold outside specialty stores. Minnesota now remains the only state where such a law is in place.

In 2017, Tennessee raised its overall beer ABV limit from about 6.2 percent to around 10.1 percent.

In 2016, Ohio said beer could go above 12 percent ABV so long as it's labeled "high alcohol beer."

But unlike Ohio, a number of states still cap their beer ABV limits in the mid-teens range no matter what sort of labeling it has.

This is especially true in the South. In Georgia, for instance, the ABV cap for beer is 14 percent. In North Carolina, it's 15 percent and in South Carolina, it's 17.5 percent.


FOLLOW-UP

A Texas abortion doctor seems to be inviting lawsuits against him, by very publicly announcing that he performed an abortion in violation of the new state law. The Supreme Court recently declined to block the law, on the grounds that a preenforcement challenge to it didn't fly. So the doc's admission could be a way to spur legal action that would allow the constitutionality of the law to be considered.

"On the morning of Sept. 6, I provided an abortion to a woman who, though still in her first trimester, was beyond the state's new limit," writes Alan Braid in The Washington Post. "I acted because I had a duty of care to this patient, as I do for all patients, and because she has a fundamental right to receive this care. I fully understood that there could be legal consequences — but I wanted to make sure that Texas didn't get away with its bid to prevent this blatantly unconstitutional law from being tested."

"I understand that by providing an abortion beyond the new legal limit, I am taking a personal risk, but it's something I believe in strongly. Represented by the Center for Reproductive Rights, my clinics are among the plaintiffs in an ongoing federal lawsuit to stop S.B. 8," he points out. More here.


FREE MINDS


FREE MARKETS

Child care worker shortage stems from strict regulations, state sloth. The Washington Post details a disturbing situation in U.S. child care. "The child-care services industry is still down 126,700 workers — more than a 10 percent decline from pre-pandemic levels, Labor Department data shows. While many industries complain they can't find enough workers, the hiring situation is more dire in child-care than in restaurants right now." Workers are quitting, or simply not returning, citing low pay and benefits. ("The pay is absolute crap for what's required for the position," one former child care worker, Tanzie Roberts, told the Post. "I can't afford to live on my own and work the child-care jobs that I am qualified for.")

Unable to find staff, many centers are shutting down or contemplating it. At the root of this conundrum may be the stringent regulations placed on day cares and other child care facilities.

"The reason child-care centers pay less than service sector jobs is tied to their business model. Staffing costs are by far the biggest budget item because many must abide by local laws that mandate one caregiver per three to five kids, depending on their ages and the area of the country," reports the Post. "Child-care labor costs can be as much as 50 to 60 percent of a day care budget, according to a Treasury report. By contrast, restaurant labor costs tend to be about 30 percent of their budgets."

"Another problem that child-care providers cite in hiring is increased difficulty in obtaining the necessary criminal background checks for workers during the pandemic, especially from state government offices," the Post says. "Some states have been especially slow to release background checks during the pandemic, numerous child-care directors and advocates told Post."

Strangely, a lot of the folks cited in the article (and the article itself) call for more government subsidies and involvement in the industry in order to save it. But isn't that only guaranteed to raise regulations, obstacles, and costs?


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CORRECTION: This post previously misstated the ABV limit for beer sold in Mississippi stores. The state allows beer up to 10 percent ABV to be sold anywhere that holds a beer permit.

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  1. The 2021 Samuel Adams Utopias clocks in at 28 percent alcohol by volume (ABV)—making it illegal in 15 states.

    And yet Bud Light flows freely. Where’s the justice?

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    3. With a name like Sam Adams Utopias, I wonder if the beer bottle sports Robbespierre’s Madame Guillotine?

      Or perhaps a collector’s set of Utopias would portray Thomas More’s same-named ideal society where every communal household had it’s own slave…

      John Calvin’s Geneva with the burning at the stake of Michael Servetus for arguing against the Trinity…

      The Mayflower Compact with starving Pilgrims…

      the 1848 Paris Commune with rioting Commies…

      Sociologist George Fitzhugh’s ideal society, which was the Southern slave plantation…

      Joseph Smith’s Nauvoo with hoodwinked Mormons in Magic Underwear…

      As well as contemporary failed Utopias such as The Former Soviet Union, Nazi Germany, Pot Pot’s Kampuchea, Rev. Jim Jones’ Jonestown, Occupy Wall Street, Seattle’s CHAZ/CHOP.

      Really, you could make a whole Collector’s Case of failed Utopias…and it might just drive you to drink them all!

      1. Everything Is So Terrible And Unfair! ™

        ……. And apparently always has been.

        1. Well, at least I included enough failed Utopias to make a full case and one to grow drunker on, so there is that.

          Good to see you again. I wondered where you had gone. 🙂

    4. A ban on hi-capacity beer. You can still have unlimited low capacity beer, you just need reload your coozie more often.

    5. You can lead a horse to water…

      Well, fizzy almost water in this case.

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  2. A Texas abortion doctor seems to be inviting lawsuits against him, by very publicly announcing that he performed an abortion in violation of the new state law.

    Is he vaccinated? (I want to fight my culture wars on several fronts.)

    1. The real question is if the mother was vaccinated. If she was, she was standing up for her Constitutional rights, if not, she should be brought up on attempted murder charges.

      The unvaccinated are the real baby killers.

    2. Maybe Dr. Braid can next perform abortions on Haitians underneath the bridge in Del Rio.

    3. It’s pretty fucked up that vaccination is seen as a cultural war issue rather than a medical issue.

      1. The left has demanded it be cultural. The right is reacting.

        1. Nah. It’s coming from the left and right. The right are not innocent victims of the left.

          1. The Right is saying “Do it if you want”

            The Left is demanding you do it.

            No, it is not coming from left and right.

            The Right does not give two shits if you do it. Knock yourself out.

            1. Yeah, I’m not sure how you can define this particular issue as being anything but instigated from one side.

              1. You can if you’re a lefty shill like Dee.

          2. You have zero awareness of reality.

            1. He’s aware of reality. He’s aware his team are the bad guys on this. He’s just trying to gaslight and make it about BOTH SIDES!!!!! so he doesn’t have to deal with the psychological implications of being the bad guy.

              He’s a typical narcissist. Can’t handle being wrong, so he throws the blame around, while making sure none of it lands on him.

              1. Throughout the thread so far, sarcasmic and Mike Laursen are doing their damnedest to throw as much chaff as they can and derail any talk of significant issues, like the rapidly accelerating totalitarianism we face.

                1. So now you’re bitching that I’m not being serious?

                  sarcasmic isn’t being serious?

                  Go murder someone. You know you want to.

                  1. No, they’re bitching that you’re back to trolling and shitposting again.

                    1. Not today. I left that job to you.

                    2. So you didn’t pole down below trying to get a response? Need a link?

                    3. Are you going to Ctrl+f again to see how many people are paying attention to you today, sarcasmic?

                    4. Are you going to Ctrl+f again to see how many people are paying attention to you today, sarcasmic?

                      No. I’ve been commenting. I only do that on days when you and JesseAz are guaranteed to talk about me more than I could talk about myself.

                    5. Except I didn’t mention you. People can go and look at the timestamps.
                      You were just desperate for attention so you brought yourself up.

                  2. Difficulty: you dont actually know what sarcasm is.

                    See Fist for an example.

                    1. Because having the name “sarcasmic” means I must be sarcastic all the time. Sure.

                      Does that mean JesseAz means you must be a moron all the time? I haven’t meant many people named Jesse, but I could beat them all at chess.

                    2. Your example doesn’t even make sense since I don’t have Moron in my name. This is why you’re terrible at humor just like you are at cooking and most likely beer making (the alcoholic’s false sense of confidence). And I would laugh at you trying to play checkers against someone playing chess.

                      The problem is what you claim is sarcasm is just stupid hyperbolic strawmen arguments. It is what you run to when people call you out.

                    3. This is why you’re terrible at humor just like you are at cooking and most likely beer making (the alcoholic’s false sense of confidence). And I would laugh at you trying to play checkers against someone playing chess.

                      You really enjoy saying mean things. Does it make you feel good?

                    4. Seriously. You list off everything I’ve given anecdotal knowledge of, then say I don’t know shit about any of it. That’s like Mean Girls 101.

                      It’s comical at this point.

                      Keep it up.

                    5. Sorry, but you’ve proven time and again that your self awareness is near zero and you have this superiority belief that is common among alcoholics. True things are true even if they are mean.

                    6. Oh wow! More personal attacks! Does it make you feel good to say mean things? I know it does! Say more!

                    7. — Cuban sandwiches enters the chat

                      — Medium well steak enters the chat

              2. ^VERY WELL SAID…………………………. Hit’s it right on the head.

              3. He’s aware his team are the bad guys on this.

                The entire problem here is trying to frame these issues in terms of “good guys” and “bad guys”. Knock it off with this black/white thinking. There are no “good guys” and there are no “bad guys”. There are only “guys” with various degrees of good ideas and bad ideas mixed in.

                1. Oh, come on. Ideas are judged by the politics of the person. Not on merit. Good and bad are functions of politics and nothing else. If you judge ideas based upon the ideas themselves then you’re not on a team, and that makes you worse than being on the other team. Haven’t you learned anything from these comments?

                  1. Sarcasmic pretends he is neutral in a response to Jeff pretending he is neutral. Is this just liars all the way down?

                    1. Like I said, anyone who isn’t on a team is assumed to be a liar on the other team.

                      Thank you for confirming my point.

                    2. No the fact that you believe you don’t have a team is what you are lying about. Ask anybody here if you have a team. Go ahead. They will all say yes. You aren’t neutral no matter the delusions you tell yourself.

                    3. Ask anybody here if you have a team. Go ahead. They will all say yes.

                      You’re right. They’ll all say I’m not on their team. My team is “Whatever you want to believe about me because I don’t have a posse.”

                  2. Merit is a subjective criterion and should not be used when judging the moral rightness of an action.

                    I can write you a LONG list of all the morally reprehensible ideas that have been thought to have “merit” throughout history.

                    1. I think of Bastiat’s “The Law”.

                      http://bastiat.org/en/the_law.html

                      Specifically:

                      No society can exist unless the laws are respected to a certain degree. The safest way to make laws respected is to make them respectable. When law and morality contradict each other, the citizen has the cruel alternative of either losing his moral sense or losing his respect for the law. These two evils are of equal consequence, and it would be difficult for a person to choose between them.

                      I chose morality.

                    2. What’s sad to me is that Bastiat and other thinkers are looked down upon by the current commentariat. Sowell, Friedman and other economists are just ignored because of partisan politics. I thought it was bad a dozen years ago. That was sanity compared to now.

                2. No, the people who want to force medications on people are the bad guys. Whatever their political associations.

                  1. Baloney. You may disagree with the mandates, as I do, but they are trying to deal with a very real public health crisis.

                    1. We’re also dealing with a serious and very real crisis of our rights being ignored and abused. I’m a lot more worried about that. Viruses come and go. It’s hard to get rights back once they have been lost.

                    2. So you’re willing to offer some flexibilty with regard to individual rights because of a public health emergency?

                      That’s not a smart position to take.

                    3. And, so, you’re gonna show them liberals what a freedom fighter you are by not getting vaccinated! That is, like I said, cutting off your own nose to spite their face.

                    4. Obesity is a very real health crisis and you have never crowed about that Mike. You only care about the politics of covid. You’d rather see kids in masks than note that for those under 65, covid isn’t the end of the world. Even those above 70 it isn’t the end of the world. You see an opportunity to push your beliefs through Covid.

                  2. I don’t think one can make such an absolute statement like that.

                    I also don’t think one should make the leap that if someone favors a bad policy, then that necessarily makes the individual a *bad person*. Good people can sometimes have bad ideas, and bad people can sometimes have good ideas.

                    1. My body, my choice. It’s nobody’s goddamn business.

                      I’m not saying they are all evil people, or that everyone who disagrees with them is good, only that on this question, they are the bad guys.

                    2. Oh now you are just being a pedant. Maybe people are decent guys, but they should be asking themselves, “Are we the baddies?”

                      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hn1VxaMEjRU

                      This isn’t just a question of good or bad policy, it is a question of real moral evil. It is morally wrong to force or even demand without force that other people to undergo medical procedure to protect you from a natural pathogen. It is wrong.

                      If one finds themselves on the side that is demanding a moral evil, they are on the bad team. They are a bad guy. They can solve this problem very quickly by not being counted among those people claiming a moral obligation to stick needles in kids arms. Then they will be “unaligned”.

                    3. “My body, my choice.”

                      What if someone’s body is infected with COVID-19 and every breath they are exhaling in a common area is spreading the COVID-19 virus?

                    4. Australian cops corralled and laid pepper spray among a few dozen citizens marching in protest last week. Mike and Jeff happily applaud.

                    5. What if someone’s body is infected with COVID-19 and every breath they are exhaling in a common area is spreading the COVID-19 virus?

                      If you are vaccinated are you not protected? If someone is medically unable to get the vaccine should they then be ostracized and/or not allowed out? What about children? They can’t be vaccinated, yet can still be infected. How do you resolve that dilemma? With the false security of a mask? What about the potential to die? Should your fear of death by infection by the unclean have more merit than another’s fear of dying by lethal injection?
                      The counter-arguments are all the reasons why the vaccine should be a choice and not a political argument. If you want it, get it. If not, nobody’s business but your own.

                    6. “If you are vaccinated are you not protected?”

                      No, not completely. Vaccines work best when most of the population gets vaccinated, therefore halting spread and mutation of the disease. This is elementary knowledge, that no educated person should be asking at this point.

                    7. This is a non sequitor from Mike, everyone. He knows the answer to this has been and always will be:

                      If you are *infected* knowingly, you ought to isolate and quarantine. If you are unknowingly infected by a natural pathogen, then it isn’t your responsibility. Vaccination has nothing to do with weather or not you choose to run around spreading a virus while infected.

                3. Just stop. This is not a “both sides” issue.

                  Using government force to make someone have a medical procedure that they don’t want is morally indefensible. It’s not just a “bad idea” of any degree.

                  Any time you have to use government force to compel a person to take action they don’t want to take, you’re the bad guy.

          3. “People” like Mike Laursen enabled the holocaust, and/or actively cheered it on

            1. He would point out how the Jews had been uncooperative and say that “there’s no evidence of massive death camps in rural Poland, and if the Nazis really wanted them dead they would have just shot them then and their”.

            2. *snort*

              Says someone who would cheerfully be a guard at a camp that was curing America of the Liberal Menace.

              1. And you just said you weren’t rolling right before.

                1. Here it comes. JesseAz laying a turd on all my posts.

                  1. LOL. Look at the timetags sweetie. You started it.

                  2. “I’m not shitposting, you’re shitposting!!!”

                    Sarcasmic expects you all to believe this.

                    1. Isn’t what you just did the definition of shitposting?

                    2. No you fantastic retard. Google shit if you don’t understand it.

      2. The right and libertarians want it to be a medical issue chosen by the individual. You and the left want to use societal pressure and laws to force people to get vaccinated.

        1. You and the left want to use societal pressure

          How is using societal pressure, INSTEAD of government coercion, unlibertarian?

          1. Because you are doing it as a means to harm others Jeff.

            “Doctors shouldn’t treat the unvaccinated”
            “Unvaccinated shouldn’t be allowed to go out of their house”
            “Unvaccinated should be fired from the jobs”
            “Unvaccinated should be evicted from their homes”

            Those are literal violations of the NAP. And you applaud it because you think your views are allowed to disrupt the free choice of others. You’re a statist. You don’t even hide it.

            1. I dispute all of the statements that you made, but let’s just take this one for example:

              “Unvaccinated should be fired from the jobs”

              Honest question Jesse, do you favor the concept of at-will employment, or not? That a private employer may fire an employee for any reason whatsoever, consistent with the terms of that employee’s contract? Because if you do, then firing an individual for refusing to get vaccinated is no different than firing an individual for refusing to abide by a dress code, or for showing up late, or for taking too long of a lunch break, or for pissing off the boss, or for any other arbitrary and subjective reason. And it isn’t a violation of the NAP because there was no aggression and no coercion – no one has any right to a particular job from a particular employer. It is generally the left-wing libertarians who tend to oppose at-will employment, and like to claim that there is such a thing as a “right to a job”. Is that where you stand, Jesse?

              1. Stop.

                This isn’t an issue of at-will employment. Not any more. The federal government has dictated to employers what they must do, so they no longer have a choice in how they operate.

                The vaccine mandate is wrong, supporting it makes you a bad person, and stop trying to pretend it’s about anything else other than government force.

                1. Jeff wants to ignore that point to try to get an argumentation win. That or he is too stupid to realize he is arguing from a fascist viewpoint.

                2. A vaccine mandate by government is wrong. A vaccine mandate imposed by a private employer on its own employees, is completely up to them and we as libertarians should support the employer’s right to do so.

              2. Hey look, Jeff deflects because he knows he is on the side of statists!

                Jeff, I believe at at-will. I do not believe in at-will at the behest of government which is the reality we are currently in, not the made up example you tried to push.

                It is government, see Biden’s declaration this month, that is pushing for business to force vaccinations. They are not doing it independently. You ignore this because you are a statist. You are basically pro fascism at this point.

                1. Ultimately you seem to have a hard time discussing an issue in the abstract, insisting instead of analyzing everything in terms of in-the-moment tribal politics.

                  It is government,

                  We were talking about SOCIETAL PRESSURE, not government coercion.

                  They are not doing it independently.

                  There were PLENTY of businesses pushing to mandate vaccination for their employees even before Biden’s declaration. See for example:

                  https://www.nytimes.com/live/2021/06/22/world/covid-vaccine-coronavirus-mask

                  This happened all the way back in June. Did you support the employer’s right to fire employees who refused to get vaccinated?

              3. Yeah, it’s way different, Jeff. There’s millions who won’t get the jab, including first responders and nurses.

                That’s a little different than “a dress code violation”, doncha think?

                Honest question Jeff, do you actually want anarchy and a collapsed economy?

            2. If strawmen had a police force they’d be hauling you in for assault.

              1. If strawmen had a police force they’d be hauling you in for assault.

                Except chemtard goes on to show that he supports number three, despite such a record for any other vaccine not being required for the decades up to this point as a condition of employment.

                Why is this one so particularly special?

                1. I’m not defending him. Just pointed out the JesseAz was, as usual, arguing with the voices in his head.

                  Number three: “Unvaccinated should be fired from the jobs”

                  Apparently I haven’t been paying attention because I haven’t seen that argument being made.

                  1. Umm, they aren’t strawman dummy. These are literally what has been said in government and on the news in the last month or two. Florida just had a large landlord start kicking people out for being unvaccinated. How is it a strawman when it is happening? Are you that desperate for a win that you deny reality?

                    You really are broken.

                    1. Are you so desperate that you announce some story nobody’s heard of, act like everyone’s heard of it, tell everyone what their views are, and ten declare victory?

                      Yep.

                      You have no interest in conversation. You’re just a troll who tells people what they believe about things they don’t even know about.

                    2. Shorter sarc: it’s not my fault I’m ignorant on the issue being discussed.

                  2. Honest question Jesse, do you favor the concept of at-will employment, or not? That a private employer may fire an employee for any reason whatsoever, consistent with the terms of that employee’s contract? Because if you do, then firing an individual for refusing to get vaccinated is no different than firing an individual for refusing to abide by a dress code, or for showing up late, or for taking too long of a lunch break, or for pissing off the boss, or for any other arbitrary and subjective reason.

          2. “How is using societal pressure, INSTEAD of government coercion, unlibertarian?”

            Because you are trying to pressure people to conform to a moral code that is not libertarian. You are insisting that people have a moral obligation to act on your behalf. And that is completely against the spirit of libertarian thought.

            Do you believe it is libertarian to use societal pressure to dissuade drug use? Should society pressure businesses to drug test all its employees to see if they use recreational drugs? Should businesses be firing people if they aren’t married and having kids by 25? Should we pressure businesses to test people for communist tendencies before working at the company?

            Ultimately, I have less problem with people who are just morally confused as you are. I think your opinions are founded on irrational fear and an inability to really think about who owes what to whom. But when you start trying to fear-monger other businesses and members of society to shame and potentially ostracize people who don’t live up to your confused moral code, then- yes- I see that as very unlibertarian. You have just substituted a formal government with a mob.

      3. Just shut up and do what we say.

        1. Pair that with, “I’m going to cut off my own nose to spite the Left’s face.” Pure stupidity on the part of right-wingers.

          1. “Pure stupidity” is “consult with your doctor to see if the vaccine is a good idea for you”?

            That’s a new one.

            1. At least he didnt scream horse dewormer this time.

          2. So…. you dont want people to make their own health decisions. Youre trying to get them to do what you want. And you seem to be doing it from a base of ignorance

          3. Fuck off, slaver.

            Cutting off my own nose to spite my own face, by my own free choice, is a far better option than “shut up and do what we say,” despite the consequences.

          4. I’m only spiting you is that kewl?

      4. Think back to the polio vaccination push. Okay, hardly anyone here is old enough to remember it. But the news reports are still around. Other than the anti-flouridation crowd, there was no controversy. No partisan politics. People got vaccinated and their children vaccinated because they could see the results of catching polio.

        Today, a year and half after COVID hit, people are STILL claiming it’s no worse than the flu. That’s the difference. The media is all big on reporting about infinitesimally small risks of vaccinations and mostly ignoring the real risks of COVID infections, which include long term debilitating hospitalization, and death. For a while COVID was the single largest killer of people in the US, and no one cared. Now health disease is back up on top, but that’s because most people got vaccinated.

        1. I can’t really look back, of course, because it was before my time. But even when I was a kid I still learned that Jonas Salk was a hero. I don’t even know where I learned it; it was just one of those facts one absorbed as a child.

          Nowadays, there would be someone on Twitter trying to cancel Salk for some reason or another.

          1. Yes this was the propaganda that the government put out. Despite the NIH screaming for him to stop, he was able to get his vaccine out ahead of Sabin whose production process was not as fraught with peril. Had Salk not used his clout to override the launch of the Polio vaccine, thousands of kids would have not been paralyzed and hundreds would have lived.

            This is a perfect example of how the government, when it heavily controlled most means of communication, could bring unspeakable damage on its population.

        2. “Think back to the polio vaccination push. Okay, hardly anyone here is old enough to remember it. But the news reports are still around. Other than the anti-flouridation crowd, there was no controversy. No partisan politics. People got vaccinated and their children vaccinated because they could see the results of catching polio.”

          You are fucking CRAZY.

          The (Salk) polio vaccine was initially rolled out in a massive experiment on children without parental consent- recruiting orphanages under religious/government control. This was despite the fact that the NIH had evidence testing on monkeys that suggested that the vaccine still had active viruses in it. Even though they observed about a dozen kids in this test trial get paralyzed, they went forward with broader testing (not telling parents the risks). This “caused 40 000 cases of polio, leaving 200 children with varying degrees of paralysis and killing 10.”
          https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1383764/

          The polio vaccine was a miracle, but it came with a cost. And if we can learn any lesson, it was that the government then was just as focused on broad policies at the cost of individual rights then, as it is today.

          1. This. Comparing it to the polio roll out is exactly why people are skeptical. It also took well over a decade foe the full roll put to occur.

          2. Like all our lefties here, Mike doesn’t know history.

            Also, my Dad was vaccinated and still ended up with polio. He wore leg braces a la Forrest Gump from 5 1/2 to 7.

            Furthermore, like smallpox, polio didn’t have many animal reservoirs to reinfect people from. It’s now looking like every mammal is a reservoir. Like with the flu virus, vaccination will ameliorate the symptoms but it will never eliminate Covid.

        3. Think back to the polio vaccination push. Okay, hardly anyone here is old enough to remember it. But the news reports are still around. Other than the anti-flouridation crowd, there was no controversy. No partisan politics. People got vaccinated and their children vaccinated because they could see the results of catching polio.

          Why do Boomers constantly bring up the polio vaccine? There’s literally no parallel that can be made here.

          Polio was a highly virulent illness that crippled nearly everyone who caught it, if it didn’t kill them outright. The polio vaccine was developed and tested for YEARS before it went on the market. It was designed specifically to treat kids and pregnant women in particular. It was developed as a traditional vaccine that lasts for decades, not 6-8 months. When a contaminated batch caused people to be infected with polio, greater oversight of its development was instituted.

          Hell, the 1976 swine flu vaccine was pulled after just 32 people died from it. There’s already been over 7,600 deaths attributed to the COVID vaccines in less than a year.

          There’s no valid comparison to be made between the polio vaccine drive and the COVID not-a-vaccines.

          1. And this. And not even a mention of only 8 deaths from children under 16 over the last year. Yet thousands of cases of vaccine side effects on trials on children. That is why Pfizer had to lower doses for their latest push for kids.

          2. Polio was a highly virulent illness that crippled nearly everyone who caught it, if it didn’t kill them outright.

            ^ Polio has a CFR of about 20%, i.e. about 100 times worse than COVID-alpha, and does permanent damage to survivors with high frequency. Nobody needed convincing that polio was a serious problem.

          3. I’ll add that Salk even refused to patent the vaccine so that it could be cheaply made and distributed. Have ANY of the pharma companies done the same with their “vaccines”?

        4. It’s political because it is being forced on people. It will inevitably be political if that happens. Use honest persuasion and kindness, not insults and coercion and there will be less resistance.
          And there is zero chance of eradicating this virus as happened with polio and smallpox. So the situations aren’t really comparable. Covid is a minor to moderate illness for most people and it’s not going away.

          1. The real concern right now is that hospitals appear to be completely uninterested now in modifying their protocols to provide preventative or mitigating treatment, versus “prescribe Remedisvir, stick them on a vent, and wait for them to die.” The data has been crystal clear that putting people with COVID on vents increases their chances of death, particularly due to sepsis or intubation-induced pneumonia. Having someone with COVID on a vent longer than 48 hours is literally risking their life even more than COVID. And then these assholes wonder why people are buying the vet version of ivermectin in a desperate attempt to stay out of the hospital.

            Hospitals are, quite literally, killing people right now to make a political point, as no real scientific institution would otherwise deliberately continue a practice that they know exponentially increases a person’s chance of dying.

            If anyone does catch the coof, their best bet at this point appears to be to stay away from the hospital as long as possible, because they don’t give a shit at this point whether anyone with COVID actually lives or die, vaccinated or not.

        5. “….the media…… mostly ignoring the real risks of COVID.”

          Dude. Really? Lol. Parody?

      5. “It’s pretty fucked up that vaccination is seen as a cultural war issue rather than a medical issue.”

        For the benefit of the thread, here is Mike on another disingenuous posting spree. He loves to drop into a thread and make some sort of “Fence Sitter” statement- most especially when the Left is looking real bad, like forcing people to stick needles in their arms.

        But make no mistake, in the next posts it is all criticism of the right. For some reason, it wouldn’t be a culture war issue if those stupid right wingers would just vaccinate. He of course ignores the fact that blacks and hispanics are also not getting the jab- because that would detract from his “fence sitter” facade. And he has nothing bad to say about the Left, or how he thinks they made this a culture war issue- he just criticizes the right.

        This is what will eventually frustrate you about arguing with Mike. He is lying to your face, appearing to be reasonable and get you into a conversation when all he wants to do is get more people he can bag on the right with. It is nauseating.

        1. when all he wants to do is get more people he can bag on the right with. It is nauseating.

          Even if your portrayal of Mike is accurate, why is it any more nauseating to “bag on the right” than it is to “bag on the left”?

          Why are we, at a libertarian site, supposed to heap nothing but scorn and enmity against one team, but give the other team a sympathetic hearing and the benefit of the doubt?

          1. Even if your portrayal of Mike is accurate

            There’s no “if” about it, fat boy.

            why is it any more nauseating to “bag on the right” than it is to “bag on the left”?

            Besides the fact that he never does the latter?

          2. “Why are we, at a libertarian site, supposed to heap nothing but scorn and enmity against one team, but give the other team a sympathetic hearing and the benefit of the doubt?”

            Who is saying Mike needs to heap scorn on anyone? I am calling him out for disingenuously posing as having a balanced view when he is in fact a standard lefty.

            One can read these comments pretty quickly to understand who is a partisan shill, uninterested in anything but their echo chamber, versus the people interested in a good faith debate. Mike pretends to be the latter, as this thread shows. He pretends to be open minded and middle of the road when in fact he is just a shrill lefty.

            Not only that, but every day he parachutes into the threads with lies.

            https://reason.com/2021/09/09/california-is-set-to-outlaw-unannounced-condom-removal/#comment-9091773

            That is Mike insisting that he “would never look to Rolling Stone” for news, after spreading their bogus ivermectin story only days earlier. Consider that: He didn’t apologize. He didn’t even try to ignore his mistake. He brazenly tried to dunk on Rolling Stone to make himself look like an arbiter of truth.

            1. Who is saying Mike needs to heap scorn on anyone?

              Have you seen the comments around here from the Team Red folks?

              Either you believe Democrats are evil baby-eating monsters, or you are on the side of Team Blue. It is that black and white. Objecting to a ridiculous caricature of Team Blue is “deflecting in favor of the Left”. That is the reality among the Team Red shills around here.

              1. And jeff throws in some strawmen to justify his leftism while declaring himself neutral. LOL.

                You do nothing but shill for the left Jeff.

              2. Objecting to a ridiculous caricature of Team Blue is “deflecting in favor of the Left”.

                Where does whining about a judgement against a malicious liberal arts college fit in here?

              3. Well, regardless of the merits of Team Blue vs. Team Red, on this issue in particular:

                The Right: You should probably get vaccinated but it’s ultimately your choice; talk to your doctor.

                The Left: Get vaccinated or we will destroy your ability to earn a living, see your loved ones, attend religious services, or otherwise interact in society!

              4. “Have you seen the comments around here from the Team Red folks?”

                Pardon my French, but so fucking what?

                You replied to me, not to JesseAZ or ML, etc. What do you want me to do about it? I’m not Jesse’s keeper. If they want to be partisan, I’m not going to stop it- I in fact did protest last year before learning my lesson.

                So I have shifted to dealing with people who are interested in a real conversation. Which is why Mike’s behavior galls me so much- he pretends to want a conversation and then pulls a bait and switch.

                1. I am simply presenting how things look from my point of view. From where I sit, one must either support every ridiculous right-wing caricature of “the left”, otherwise, one is actively supporting the left. That is, if one does not believe and actively support and promote the idea that Democrats hate America and want to create death camps for conservatives, one might as well be an AOC devotee. That is the level of insanity around here. I’m not saying you are a part of it, you are not. It is just frustrating to be told over and over that I am some sort of “leftist” when I don’t espouse any leftist ideology and what I mainly do is criticize the right. They are trapped in black/white thinking, tribal duopoly. They create far too much noise for this site.

                  1. “I am simply presenting how things look from my point of view. From where I sit, one must either support every ridiculous right-wing caricature of “the left”, otherwise, one is actively supporting the left.”

                    Then look harder. I never said that anyone had to support anything.

                    Look at Mike’s posts on this thread. Really look at them. He starts with a “yes both sides have issues” statement and then proceeds to only talk about the problems with the Right. He is trying to rope people into a “conversation” so that he can attack those people on the right.

                    “They create far too much noise for this site.”

                    Yes there is too much noise around the world right now. Do you think you can be an agent of change?

                    I’ll say right now, I see one cultural divide right now. It is the Elite vs the rest of us. And the elite knows that they can forever win that war by keeping team red and team blue at each others throats. Do you want to know why we are talking about a Vaccine mandate right now? Because the Elites wanted us to stop talking about how incompetently the government has handled Afghanistan (for 2 decades, not just Biden) and the Border (again for 2 decades).

                    To the extent that it is Leftist elites in charge right now (and Elites tend these days to be lefty anyway) you are going to hear me calling out Lefties quite a bit over the next year. Sorry.

              5. jeff, unlike JesseAz, Red Rocks and whatever else, Overt is interest in conversation.

                Don’t let the trolls derail you.

                He’s old school.

                1. Why didn’t you include “unlike myself” Sarc? You are one of the primary ones here to derail. I’ve had far more back and forth conversations with people here than you have. Is it your lack of self awareness again?

                  1. You’ve never tried to have a back and forth with me. You just snipe at this or that. If I say something you agree with you ignore it because to reply would give me legitimacy. Please, JesseAz. You’re the troll of trolls.

                2. It’s odd because I *have* had these conversations with Chemjeff in the past.

                  1. And I apologize for defensive troll-repellant I’ve used on you.

                    You’re one of the good ones.

                3. jeff, unlike JesseAz, Red Rocks and whatever else, Overt is interest in conversation.

                  I’m fine with conversation. It’s whining I find to be contemptible.

          3. You’re not a libertarian jeff. You just claim you are to hide the fact that youre a far leftist. You even call yourself a libertarian socialist which just means leftist.

            1. I have never called myself a “libertarian socialist”. That is a lie that you invented.

              If you think I’m wrong, then I expect you’ll pull a quotation from your dossier on me that proves otherwise, right? Right? Oh wait you don’t have a quotation from me making this claim in your little dossier because it doesn’t exist.

              And to you, “far leftist” only means “someone who doesn’t believe in the idiotic right-wing caricature of the far left”. It’s just a puerile insult like “doodyhead”. Not to be taken seriously.

              1. And now Jeff resorts into lying again.

                You have defended yourself as both a libertarian socialist and a globalist libertarian. This is your problem, same with Mike. You simply lie about what you’ve said in the past.

                You’re just a liar.

                “far leftist” only means “someone who doesn’t believe in the idiotic right-wing caricature of the far left”.

                No, it means you openly push support for the left non stop.

                1. All you do is reply to things nobody said and call them a liar when they point out that you’re flailing at a strawman.

                  Give it up.

                2. You have defended yourself as both a libertarian socialist

                  Put up or shut up. Present your alleged proof of this claim. If not then STFU. I’m not a libertarian socialist. I never claimed to be a libertarian socialist.

                  No, it means you openly push support for the left non stop.

                  criticism of the right =/= support for the left

                  1. They won’t put up. They tried with me but accidentally showed me being impersonated.

                    https://reason.com/2020/10/04/the-case-against-trump-donald-trump-is-an-enemy-of-freedom/#comment-8500159

                    And they still stick to their guns that that was me.

              2. And the irony here is Jeff, I’ve dismissed and been outspoken against far more members of the GOP political class than you have ever been of the DNC political class.

      6. it is not “seen” as a culture war issue. It was turned into one. by the democrats.

        1. Baloney. It takes two to tango. The Left and Right work together to create these culture war issues.

          1. “get the vaccine”

            “no, i don’t think so”

            “why are you making this so political??!?!?!”

            1. “I’m gonna force you take it!!!”

              “that seems fascist”

              “Why are you making this a political issue?!?!”

              1. “the average age of death for a wuhan virus victim is the same as the average age of death. Not one single healthy person under the age of 18 has died from this”

                “hmm seems like no big deal for me. I think I’ll pass on this emergency rush-order vaccine using new technology. I’ll just wait and see”

                “Why are you making this so political!?!?!?”

            2. “I chose to take this vaccine that is only authorized under emergency use and the producer of the vax can’t be held liable for any side effects”

              “Good for you. I’ll pass for now.”

              “WhY aRe You maKIng tHiS so POlitiCaL!?!?!”

              1. It has normal authorization now.

                1. so? Why are you making this political?

          2. “It takes two to tango. The Left and Right work together to create these culture war issues.”

            Then why is it in this entire thread all you can do is point to the Right’s intransigence? About the only thing I’ve seen from you is one or the other play on “it is wrong for the right to refuse vaccinations.”

            Again, for the benefit of the thread, this is Mike being disingenuous. He doesn’t like the right. He thinks people on the right are wrong to refuse the vaccinations. The only reason he laments “Left and Right Culture Wars” is so that he can bait people in and allow him to complain about the Right. Even if you get him to criticize the left it will be an anodyne, “I don’t support the mandates, but…”

            Don’t feed it.

          3. “the new world order is going to create a vaccine passport requirement,because they can. mark my words”

            “you’re an insane Q-anon conspiracy theorist”

            “woopsie daisy look at that, they are doing it!”

            “why are you making this so political?!?!?!”

  3. I acted because I had a duty of care to this patient, as I do for all patients, and because she has a fundamental right to receive this care.

    Also a duty to broadcast her medical status all over the news.

    1. It is kinda creepy how these Gosnell types all want to not only perform their baby killing, but brag about it to the world.

      1. You don’t get on the speaker circuit by keeping a low profile.

      2. Serial killers are always bragging to the press, that’s how they get caught. And make no mistake, abortionists are definitely serial killers, with all the peccadillos of their illegal counterparts.

    2. Well…. not all patients. Some of course die.

      1. When you’re definition of “care” means ripping a kid to shreds, you’ve definitely expanded that definition.

  4. “If you live in Alabama, Arkansas, Georgia, Idaho, Missouri, Mississippi, Montana, North Carolina, New Hampshire, Oklahoma, Oregon, South Carolina, Utah, Vermont and West Virginia, don’t even look. Utopias is illegal in those states because of its high alcohol content,” according to the Samuel Adams website.

    “And don’t even *think* about using *any* of our beers for a boilermaker!”

    1. “And don’t even *think* about using *any* of our beers for a boilermaker!”
      That would be wrong (wink, wink).

    2. In the cases of North Carolina and South Carolina chalk it up to Southern Baptists in the State Legislatures.

    3. At 100 bucks plus for a bottle of Utopias, it’d be a hell of a boilermaker.

      Tasted like Madeira (the wine, not the Central California Ag town), the time I tried it. Caramel-y, rich, like an OK Malmsey. Not worth the money, IMO, but I appreciated the hospitality of the friend who shared it. Neat to try if you’re a beer geek.

      1. Drop a shot of Pappy in it. If you’re gonna go big, might as well go really big.

        With the circles I run in, I’m amazed that I’ve never even seen a bottle of Utopias. Certainly one of those things I’d like to get once.

  5. A Chinese student studying in Canada shared just three posts on Twitter — using a fake name and location — critical of Xi Jinping and government corruption. He had two followers. And then the police started contacting him and his family.

    To be fair, General Milley was one of those two followers.

    1. LOL.

      And Milley was using the handle “Winnie-the-Pooh”.

      1. Comrade Milley would never (even in deep cover) use that derogatory name.

    2. One of your best. Eric salwell also acceptable.

    3. The best Milley can hope for is the Marshall Petain position.

      1. More like Marshal Poontang, amirite?

        1. Is there a medal for that?

      2. Locked in a cell on a tiny island, until he dies of senility?

  6. A Chinese student studying in Canada shared just three posts on Twitter — using a fake name and location — critical of Xi Jinping and government corruption. He had two followers. And then the police started contacting him and his family.

    So, he has more followers now?

    1. ENB is appalled! She would have doxxed him.

  7. Strangely, a lot of the folks cited in the article (and the article itself) call for more government subsidies and involvement in the industry in order to save it.

    There ain’t no solution but a more government solution.

  8. The Pentagon admitted that the people killed in its most recent Afghanistan drone strike were innocent civilians, not terrorists.

    Knowing full well the imminent lack of legal or political repercussion.

    1. Mistakes were made…

    2. C’mon man, that was a couple of days ago.

  9. “Strangely, a lot of the folks cited in the article (and the article itself) call for more government subsidies and involvement in the industry in order to save it.”

    Most of us would be shocked if the far left wing WaPo advocated free market solutions for ANY of the problems created by WaPo’s (and other left wing propaganda outlets) decades long advocacy for far left wing policies.

    1. And certainly not for State Media.

  10. Coinbase has inked their largest deal with the Feds yet, signing a $1.36M contract to provide ICE with financial surveillance software.

    Paid in cash?

    1. It comes out of Satoshi’s wallets.

    2. In God We Trust. All others…

      1. …get vaccinated, wear a mask, and provide all your financial records to the IRS and your phone records to the FBI, damn it!

        1. Need to return to “MIND YOUR BUSINESS”

          1. A Secular “Amen” to that…That plus “IN GOLD WE TRUST.”

        2. I’m trying to fathom the mind that sees that first one, “get vaccinated”, as even being in the same league as the other two. Getting vaccinated is just common sense

          1. Such common sense there ought to be a law, just like trusting in God.

          2. Kinda like “common sense gun control”?

            Leftist “common sense” argument – Do what we tell you.

            1. They use the term common sense when they have complete ignorance on a subject and can’t talk it over even at a facial level.

          3. Losing weight is just common sense yet you’ve never scolded jeff on the issue. Why,m

          4. Get vaccinated to protect the vaccinated

            1. Get vaccinated to make sure your local hospital doesn’t run out of beds and have to start rationing care. Idaho Bob can tell you all about that.

              1. TwO wEeKS to fLaTTen tHe CurVe!!!!

              2. Just one more shot!

            2. “we need to get to 60% vaccinated to go back to normal”

              *get to 60% vaccinated*

              “We need vaccine passports to restrict people from living their lives unless they submit!”

  11. “The reason child-care centers pay less than service sector jobs is tied to their business model. Staffing costs are by far the biggest budget item because many must abide by local laws that mandate one caregiver per three to five kids” … “Another problem that child-care providers cite in hiring is increased difficulty in obtaining the necessary criminal background checks for workers”

    Hmm. Now do *parents*.

  12. “I can’t afford to live on my own and work the child-care jobs that I am qualified for.”

    A job most 13 year-olds are qualified for needs to pay enough to live on their own?

    The Babysitters Club needs to unionize.

    1. Thats the standard cost of living that democrats rant about. Live by yourself, new car, cable internet, going out every weekend, etc.

      Remember when people had room mates when they had entry level jobs?

      1. Anything less than your own apartment and high speed internet is oppression.

        1. don’t forget the yearly iphone upgrade

        2. This is the first time I realized how oppressed I’ve been most of my life. I didn’t realize that roommates made me into the oppressed class.

      2. Remember when people had room mates when they had entry level jobs?

        Room mates? My first entry level job my room mates went by the names ‘Mom’, ‘Dad’, and ‘Brother’.

    2. That’s the problem- 13 year olds are no longer qualified to do the job because .gov and rich white Karens have decided that babysitters now need to gave advanced qualifications, and day care programs need to be “educational.” Day care workers need to be certified in all kinds of shit that’s not really necessary to wipe boogers and make sure kids don’t die. MAYBE child and inflant CPR and first aid is a good idea, but I give two shits if my kid’s day care ladies are up on the newest fads in early childhood education.

      1. The idea that a layperson could properly perform infant CPR is laughable. I did hear a story from an eight year-old recently about clearing her choking baby brother’s obstructed airway, and that is about the limit of medical intervention I would want any daycare worker to attempt on my child.

        Certification never prevented a child from falling off a swing and hitting their head. But thinking that they knew how to diagnose a concussion may have lead a daycare worker not to immediately call a parent or get the child to a doctor.

  13. O’Rourke has been making calls to Democratic leaders across Texas to inform them that he is seriously considering taking on Gov. Greg Abbott

    “Oh, and I’d like your advice about using the ‘Hell, yes, we’re going to take your AR-15, your AK-47’ stuff again.”

    1. Like I pointed out last year, Robert O’ Rourke’s career is a lot like his dad’s–someone with no particular gifts who married into money and had a lifestyle subsidized by well-off relatives, and who ended up becoming a professional politician because he wasn’t doing anything particularly productive with his life.

      His only real skill seems to be acting like a college spastic despite pushing 50, which is why he’s so popular with Texas Democrats.

      1. His only real skill seems to be acting like a college spastic despite pushing 50

        Beautiful.

      2. Wacky waving inflatable tube man gesticulates less wildly than that idiot Beto.

        1. Even calling him “Beto” is such a stupid enabling of his “how do you do, fellow Mexicans?” earnestness. The dude’s a fucking potato-muncher, not a Latino.

          I’m pretty sure the only reason he got a national profile is because he has a vague physical resemblance to the degenerate Kennedy clan.

    2. You’d like to think he has no shot, but the way things have been going here lately….ehhhhh, who knows? The Cruz-O’Rourke fight shouldn’t have been a fifth as close at it turned out (Cruz +2.5). Yeah, Cruz didn’t really campaign.

      Yes, the Governor’s race is different. So are the times we live in. So is Texas

    3. Sooner or later he will run out of his wife’s money.

  14. “Incarceration rates are down. Is that a sign of progress, or the pandemic?”

    No and no. The reason incarceration rates have declined is because George Soros and other woke lefties financed election campaigns of many far left wing Democrat prosecutors (i.e. DAs and AGs), who have refused to do their jobs (i.e. prosecute criminals).

  15. Incarceration rates are down. Is that a sign of progress, or the pandemic?

    Maybe it’s a sign that all the prison industrial complex workers are getting fat unemployment checks.

  16. Anyone else following the van girl story? That’s some messed up shit.

    1. Good morning, and, “Fuck Tulpa!”

      1. Good morning, and, they’re not being dicks yet so don’t start shit.

        1. Then again I haven’t invoked their ire by talking about the teams.

          1. You mean you haven’t tried to crap all over the thread with strawman as a distraction from your team. You were trying to hard and then you have to start poking, even after scolding Mike.

            1. Fuck off, child.

              1. Lol. You can’t help yourself. So much delusion in you being the victim when you are almost always the instigator.

                1. Here come the turds.

                  1. You literally instigated it dummy. Time stamps are available.

                    1. “But Mom! sarc started it!”

                    2. So you admitted it. Step one. Now stop acting like a victim when you are the one who initiates, that is step 2.

                2. C’mon, child.

                  Aren’t you going to say “HE BURNS STEAKS WAAAAAH!” with a link on my recipe below?

                  Or say “HE’S A DRUNK WHO FUCKS HIS DAUGHTER!” in my conversation about brewing?

                  You disappoint me, child.

                  1. A) You’ve admitted to doing that, so not sure why you are upset. You seem angry.

                    B) I’ve never done that, so that’s a lie.

                    C) Who is the child here sarc? You give middle school jokes as a 60 year old and it comes off creepy AF. You can’t argue anything in good faith. You feel a complete need to always be a victim. You are a literal child in behaviors.

                    1. If you’re going to say my failure to condemn xyz equals support for xyz, then your failure to condemn those who say I have sex with my daughter equals support for those statements. You’re in complete agreement with every nasty thing that’s been said about me because you never said otherwise.

                      So… Aren’t you going to call me a pedophile? No day at Reason is complete without someone saying something disgusting like that, and you implicitly egging them on.

                    2. Are you a pedophile? Why’d your ex take you to court and your kid cut off contact?

                    3. There we go. No day at Reason is complete without someone dredging up the narrative and expecting me to correct it.

                      The lies about me are so much more entertaining than the truth.

                      So lets just stick to the lies. Not like anyone cares about making judgments on accurate information. Politics is all that matters.

                    4. “The lies about me are so much more entertaining than the truth”

                      You’re the one who said your ex took you to court and your kid cut off contact.
                      Were you lying?

                    5. My ex and me went to court. Yup. It’s called divorce.

                      The rest is fiction. But keep on telling it. Much more interesting than anything that actually happened.

                    6. So when you said your kid had broken off contact, were you lying?

                    7. Broken contact? Must be the voices in your head again.

                    8. Did you or did you not tell us that your kid wasn’t talking to you? Yes or no?

        2. Sorry. Too late, I think.

          Idaho Bob made a claim that the left is solely to blame for vaccination becoming a culture war issue, and I couldn’t let that whopper of historical inaccuracy pass without comment.

          1. I tell my kid it’s ok to let people believe stupid shit and it’s not her job to correct them.

            I’m trying to be an example.

            1. Sarcasmic’s daughter is in the special ed program because of behavioral, not cognitive, issues.
              Sarcasmic told us this himself long ago, and hasn’t once thought about how this reflects on him as a parent.

              1. So you’re saying that the way you turned out is a direct reflection of your parents’ incompetence?

                1. The psychological disfunction sarcasmic’s response reveals would be pitiful had sarcasmic not burned up any reason justifying sympathy over the last months/year.

                  1. I will take that as a yes.

            2. You believe almost exclusively stupid shit.

              1. Another turd. Child just can’t resist.

                1. LOL. Says the guy who scolded mike for “Starting it” and then immediately starts it so he can cry out as him being the victim. You’ve responded to more of my posts than I have yours. Weird. Even have a nice double reply above begging for a reply.

                  Are you completely self unaware?

                2. Remember folks, sarcasmic never starts shit. It’s all the mean girls. He’s an innocent lamb.

                  And if anyone wonders why sarcasmic got banned at glibs a few months ago…

                  1. I heard he set a record for the banhammer coming down.
                    Hi I’m Sar. KABOOM!

                    1. I fart in your general direction.

                  2. And if anyone wonders why sarcasmic got banned at glibs a few months ago…

                    Seriously? That didn’t take long.

                    I fucking said that the political environment at that site wasn’t much different than it is here. That would have been obvious to anyone who actually reads the comments there, which is probably why shithead Laursen or chemfat never bothered migrating at sarc’s recommendation. The banning would have set a land speed record.

                    1. I’m banned from the Glibs? That’s news. Let me check. Nope.

                    2. If that’s the case, it really makes your daily slapfights with Jesse here all the more pathetic.

          2. Yes, you do say a lot of stupid shit.

          3. Refute my statement, without bullshit hyperbole like “whopper of historical inaccuracy”.

            1. OK, to give me something concrete to work with tell me which action on the Left started COVID-19 vaccination as a culture war issue, and the approximate date (month and year good enough) they took this action.

              1. OK, to give me something concrete to work with tell me which action on the Left started COVID-19 vaccination as a culture war issue

                Note how White Mike deliberately leaves out his lefty boos deeming slagging the “Trump vaccine” up until Biden took office.

              2. Lock Downs, Mask Mandates, Evictions in Florida… need more?

              3. “tell me which action on the Left started COVID-19 vaccination as a culture war issue,”

                You of course will not reply to this because you actually are not interested in real conversation.

                That said, who cares if Conservatives were unlikely to get the vaccine. That didn’t make it a culture war. What made it a culture war was when the Left started demanding that there was only one “right” choice. You either got vaccinated or you were wrong. That is what creates a culture war.

                Had these the left just said, “you do you” it would have been as remarkable an issue as people who get botox or eat organic. No one would be screaming about it on Twitter.

            2. While I’m waiting for that:

              https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/27-vaccinated-coronavirus-republicans-conservatives-poll/story?id=70962377

              “Unpersuaded by more than 100,000 pandemic deaths in the United States, 45% of strong conservatives, four in 10 Republicans and nearly as many evangelical Christians say they’d be unlikely to get vaccinated against the coronavirus, even for free.”

              1. While I’m waiting for that:

                I already pointed that out, you disingenous, lying fuckhead.

                You really do deserve a fire extinguisher to the skull.

              2. An ABC poll from June 2020? Geez.

                What you continue to ignore is the left’s mandates…masks, vaccines, vax passports, etc.

                There’s ten stages of genocide. We are getting very close to #7. Conservatives and libertarians recognize the signs. This should explain the resistance to the fucking left’s mandates.

                1. The June 2020 poll clearly pre-dates any COVID-19 vaccine mandates.

                  1. Do you want links to all of the prominent democrats talking about not taking Trump’s vaccine?

                2. What you continue to ignore is the left’s mandates…masks, vaccines, vax passports, etc.

                  What he’s leaving out, because he hopes you won’t remember, is his side, such as Joy Reid, slagging the “Trump vaccine” until Biden took over.

                3. There’s ten stages of genocide. We are getting very close to #7.

                  This is part of the problem – the hysteria comparing a vaccine mandate to GENOCIDE. Are you fucking kidding me?

                  I don’t favor a vaccine mandate, but I certainly don’t think it is a type of genocide. You are interpreting their actions in the most histrionic and evil manner possible. That is not reasonable. Or maybe we should go back to describing what everything Trump did as “Nazi fascism” as reasonable intelligent discourse.

                  Here is the bottom line. There has never been this level of Team Red resistance to any other vaccine – polio, tetanus, MMR, etc.
                  Most of these are mandated in some form or fashion – for going to public school, etc. It was only anti-vaxxer nutbars like Jenny McCarthy and a bunch of fringe whackos who raised objections. But now, with this COVID vaccine, suddenly it has become this huge deal on the right. And ESPECIALLY coming from the team which has NEVER been even remotely consistently libertarian when it came to issues of bodily autonomy. From abortion, to the drug war, to mandatory drug testing of welfare recipients, to the surveillance state, to their perpetual skepticism and undermining of the Fourth Amendment. NOW we are expected to believe they have become a bunch of radical libertarians who reject all vaccine mandates on principle? I’m sorry I don’t buy it.

                  1. There has never been this level of Team Red resistance to any other vaccine – polio, tetanus, MMR, etc.

                    Who knew that so many minorities were Republican voters? Because we all know that when chemfat brings up Team Red #Resistance, what he really means is “blue collar whites that don’t live in my blue-voting suburb.”

                  2. From abortion, to the drug war, to mandatory drug testing of welfare recipients, to the surveillance state, to their perpetual skepticism and undermining of the Fourth Amendment.

                    Other than abortion, there has been partisan agreement on every single issue you list there. Now, how about all the issues you left out: entitlements for health insurance and healthcare, health mandates (i.e., soda taxes), business mandates, employer mandates, and their perpetual skepticism and undermining of the First and Second Amendment?

                    You always try to both sides shit where one side is consistently much, much worse than the other. The people who were against lockdowns are now against mandates for what are being proven to be more akin to flu shots than a preventative vaccine. That is consistent. It is also much more libertarian.

                    The fact that the left and its lackeys are completely ignoring the much more effective natural immunity of those who have recovered from COVID tells me everything I need to know about their mandates.

                  3. I really don’t think that it’s as much a team red thing as you think. Most republicans I know are vaccinated. Almost all of the people I know who are pretty strongly against getting vaccinated (for various reasons, not all anti-vax) are definitely not what anyone would call team red.
                    I’d say it’s driven by lack of trust in media and other institutions. People who were already inclined to doubt those institutions two years ago have had whatever faith they may still have had destroyed under the present public health tyranny.

                    1. “I really don’t think that it’s as much a team red thing as you think.”

                      Look at which states have the lowest vaccination rates.

                    2. Look at which states have the lowest vaccination rates.

                      “Ignore the ethnic demographics, though, because it doesn’t fit my narrative.”

                    3. My god, rural people didn’t rush to get a vaccine mostly spread in dense urban centers?!?! The horror mike!

                    4. +100000

                  4. “Most of these are mandated in some form or fashion – for going to public school, etc.”

                    Here is the bottom line: you are 100% wrong about this. Show me a public school in all but one or two states where you are “required” to have a vaccination, and I will point you to the simple form you sign to get out of it.

                    “But now, with this COVID vaccine, suddenly it has become this huge deal on the right.”

                    In the first week of June, the liberals turned this into a culture war by sending a letter and mouthing at the highest levels that “Anti Racist Protests” were allowable despite COVID. That one week is when all the cultural divides were set in stone around COVID.

                    We went from 2.5 Months of general shaming of anyone who broke curfew- including folks on the right protesting lockdowns in places like Michigan- to HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of people gathering in the street, cheered on by the same governors, health officials and pundits that had been doing the shaming mere weeks before.

                    If you don’t understand how this turned COVID in general into a culture war issue, I don’t know what to tell you. Yes, Conservatives then dug in to say that COVID was not as big a deal as the left felt- because as far as the right could tell, the Left didn’t believe it was a big deal either, unless it was to shame people on the right.

                    Flash forward to this year, and the EXACT SAME fucking thing is happening. I have not seen you or really anyone on the left condemn the blacks and hispanics who are declining to vaccinate. It is constantly “well its mostly folk on the right!” When folks on the left are forced to talk about minority vaccination, they suddenly changed their language from “Anti-Vaxxer” to “Vaccination Hesitant”.

                    When the left treats lock downs and vaccines as an opportunity to demonize political opponents while giving a pass to political allies, you get a culture war.

                    1. When folks on the left are forced to talk about minority vaccination, they suddenly changed their language from “Anti-Vaxxer” to “Vaccination Hesitant”.

                      What is hilarious is that it is the inherent racism in the Progressive agenda that creates what the rest of perceive as cognitive dissonance. The Progressive sincerely believes that blacks, natives, and anyone who speaks Spanish in the western hemisphere can be forgiven the transgression because they lack intelligence and education, being particularly susceptible to superstition and religious dogma.

              3. And now why don’t you disparage the PoCs who remain the most unvaccinated Mike? What about PhDs who also are more unvaccinated than those who identify as conservative? Why do you ignore it?

              4. The right is willing to be live-and-let-live on this issue while the left is not, so the right is the obvious aggressor. Seems legit.

                There’s no one action that triggers a culture war involvement. That’s not how these things work, and you know it. “Strong conservatives” have been consistent in their skepticism of the vaccine’s necessity from the outset. It became a culture war issue after a year of anodyne PubHealth hectoring on the matter failed to move the needle.

                Once cases began to rise in the south the nation was treated to a bevy of “WHYCOME STUPID HICKS NO GET SHOTZ?!” stories on a daily basis, implying that “strong conservatives” were the only possible problem there and causing a reaction among them in turn. It’s bad persuasion, but for some reason the establishment is sticking with it. It’s almost like they don’t actually care.

                1. jeffy has been peddling the idea that breathing the same air as him without a mask or vaccine is a violation of the NAP since early in 2020.

                  Of course, nobody is forcing him to do anything, but that is completely immaterial. Everyone must either submit to masking and vaccines or avoid all human contact to be in harmony with the NAP.

              5. ““Unpersuaded by more than 100,000 pandemic deaths in the United States, 45% of strong conservatives, four in 10 Republicans and nearly as many evangelical Christians say they’d be unlikely to get vaccinated against the coronavirus, even for free.””

                The poll that Mike points to was taken right at the time liberals were giving a pass to hundreds of thousands of people participated in the Floyd Protests around the country.

                COnsider that. Mere weeks before, COVID was the most important issue in our lives. The left was solemnly insisting that if some blue collar worker in the suburbs or rural america had to lose his job, so be it. And then a few weeks later they were staring into that same camera and insisting that COVID restrictions weren’t as important as people protesting and burning down buildings.

                Yet Mike cannot, for the life of him, figure out why Conservatives might think that those same “authorities” are full of shit when they demand that COVID is so important that they need to lose their job if they won’t stick a needle in their arms.

                What a fucking shock.

              6. And how many of those people have already had it and therefore have no use for a vaccine? There’s another thing that keeps being ignored. How many people have had it now? Probably at least 20% of the country, no?

                1. Not enough for the state of Idaho to not be rationing hospital care right now.

                  1. The idiots probably shouldn’t have laid off half their staff last year, then.

          4. Idaho Bob made a claim that the left is solely to blame for vaccination becoming a culture war issue

            And he’s right. The vaccination rates across the political spectrum versus the narrative coming from you and the rest of the Democrats are hard evidence of that.

            1. Your linked article says absolutely nothing at all about vaccination rates across the political spectrum.

              1. So minorities and secular youth aren’t the Democrats constituency, and the high rates of white evangelicals who are getting vaxxed, are?

    1. China builds whatever the fuck they want and threatens the shit out of everyone but we’re the assholes for building submarines. The idea that defending yourself is aggressive is propaganda.

      1. I think the current row is over sharing nuclear sub tech with Australia.

        1. It’s green tech. It’s not a nuke. No one’s invading China with a sub. China is already building a war machine. This is us defending ourselves.

          1. I think we’re in agreement. Australia doesn’t want nuclear weapons. We’re giving them subs that can operate defensively and only need to surface when they run out of food. And yeah China’s been waving its dick around.

            But does that mean we need another Cold War? Perhaps the guy’s point is that we should try to avoid another one. Spending shitloads of money on the military isn’t an economic winner.

            1. Predators are emboldened by weakness. We’re the arsenal of democracy. At least we’re selling the weapons instead of giving them away. Some Washington Examiner opinion dude suggested we should buy France’s diesel subs and give them to Vietnam. Maybe we should?

              1. Jeez whenever shitstain and screetch get talking the real crazy ass crap comes out.

              2. I draw the line here. If France and Vietnam want to collaborate, fine. We ought not be in the business of giving away weapons. We should be selling them.

                1. Biden has a track record of giving away weapons.

        2. Then that should be even LESS objectionable shouldn’t it? The US isn’t attacking Russia. It isn’t even building subs. It is just giving Australia the technology to defend itself.

          1. They’re talking about a new Cold War with China, not Putin. China has a much bigger dick. Well, probably not literally.

            1. I’m now picturing South Park’s Chinpokomon episode.

              1. I remember that. Funny.

          2. Australia should have stolen the tech like China.

        3. Australia already had a contract with France for a sub but teh french decided to take a month long break hence the new aggrement with the U.S. nothing really changed just different supplier

        4. You mean white China?

    2. So, like any other prominent socialist leader of the last hundred years, António Guterres (secretary-general of the Socialist Party of Portugal 1992-2002, president of the Socialist International 2002-2005) is advising that the West build a relationship with a murderous totalitarian regime that flies a red flag rather than resist its ambitions.

      And like any good foot soldier for socialism of the last hundred years, sarcasmic is suggesting we follow that advice with a vague invocation at the financial cost of resistance.

      (Of course, sarcasmic will soon be along to deny being a socialist foot-soldier, instead claiming to merely be a useful idiot who unknowingly parroted the fossilized propaganda of a prominent socialist.)

      1. So when a guy who calls himself sarcasmic makes an absurd statement like “Hooray for defense spending” in context of a hugely wasteful new Cold War, you take him at his word.

        Cool story brah.

        1. The whole ‘it’s right there in the name, buddy’ defense is tedious. It is nothing but a preconstructed fallacy.

        2. Just because you were too stupid to understand my post doesn’t mean I was too stupid to understand yours.

          If I’d taken you “at your word”, I wouldn’t have called you a socialist foot soldier. Resisting murderous totalitarians is expensive. Socialists accordingly have spent a century making disingenuous appeals to fiscal rectitude in order to justify a policy of appeasement.

  17. Texas mom hijacks school board meeting to rage about young adult novel in school library about love affair between black boy and Mexican girl that features anal sex

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10007439/Texas-mom-complains-descriptions-anal-sex-appearing-school-library-books.html

    Soooooo definitely not a Reason staff. They luvs the Mexican anal sex. What’s missing? Hookers and blow?

    1. Just think about how angry she would have been if the girl was white.

    2. And I’m sure ethnicity was integral to her complaint, and totes not a totalitarian tactic meant to be spread by mindless parrots in order to distract from growing totalitarianism and condition the audience to view people as units of identity rather than individuals.

      1. Shouldn’t you be hanging out with Sevo and planning a mass murder?

        1. How many cars has your daughter vandalized today?

          1. Unlike you she learned her lesson.

            1. Curious response.
              From what event and my behavior am I supposed to have learned a lesson from?

                1. And here sarcasmic demonstrates the response of a low IQ troll who clearly does not understand what’s happening.

                  1. Right here is someone who has never learned a lesson from his own behavior. There are wise people who learn from the mistakes of others, smart people who learn from their own mistakes, and stupid people like Nardz who have never made a mistake.

                    1. No mistake on Nardz behalf. You really are a low IQ troll who clearly does not understand what’s happening.

                    2. Calling me low IQ is funny. It’s only an insult if it’s true. And it’s not insulting. So….. that leads me to believe you’re projecting. Do you know what that means, with your low IQ and all?

                    3. Middle-school sophistry like that isn’t exactly selling the case that you’re an intellectual titan, sarcasmic.

                    4. I never claimed to be a titan. But it’s cute when you call me low-IQ. Keep doing it.

                    5. Sure.
                      I honestly think that your IQ is in the 85-90 range.

                    6. Good for you. Project more, will ya?

                    7. And sarc doesn’t understand what projection actually is.

                      FFS can’t you just google this shit before you misuse it?

                  2. Obviously my daughter isn’t wise. But she’s smarter than Nardz.

                  3. And being that I haven’t murdered anyone over politics in an imagined civil war 2.0, I’m wise compared to Nardz.

                    1. Do you ever get a glimpse of just how stupid your posts make you seem? The contrast is even greater when compared to your occasional cogent posts. The fact that you’re sometimes reasonable makes you worse than chemjeff and white mike.

                    2. I thought we were all the same person?

                    3. Lol, no. Nobody thinks you’re a fifty-center.
                      Just an attention-seeking retard who acts out by trolling, shitposting and running some socks.

                      Now the fact that you’re trying to make IRL friends with the fifty-centers is the funniest part. That’s like suckholing to the spambots.

                    4. Keep changing the goalposts ML.

                    5. Keep changing the goalposts

                      Lol, that’s not what ‘moving the goalposts’ means, sarc. And “changing” goalposts too.

                      You’re a treasure for lolcow herders. someone should make a cartoon featuring the shit you say here.

                      You’re like the Reason comments version of Christian Weston Chandler.

        2. I mean, this is you claiming above you don’t instigate… yet here you are. You can’t help yourself can you?

          1. *plop* goes another turd

            1. I mean, this just further proves your only intent here is to start fights and then claim victimhood.

            2. I unmuted and this is what appears. MENSA won’t be calling.

  18. The 10 fastest-growing large cities in the U.S. are all suburbs.

    Soon it’s going to be suburbs all the way down.

    1. Megacities One through Ten.

      1. Maybe there is room for 2 more? And maybe we rename them “Districts”- except for the DC area. We can just call Capitol or Capitol City. What do you think?

  19. Arbitrary and strange rules on alcohol are nothing new. I’m more interested in how they got to 28% without distillation.

    I thought natural fermentation maxed out well below that. Or have there been advances in yeast engineering?

    1. You can do this with constant replacement of yeast and a high sugar content. Many belgian beers have a good history of getting pretty high, and they have some really hearty yeast strains. That said, Now a days I wouldn’t be shocked to find that some brewers are mixing in distilled spirits to cheat.

      1. There has been an ongoing competition the last decade to brew the highest proof beer with some of the major brew masters. Some of them selling a single bottle for upwards of $100. Prefer to drink and not chew my beer so generally don’t go for any above 15%, but getting some crazy high ones out there.

    2. Possibly they used freezing. This is the German process for making eisbier, which has a higher alcohol percentage than other beers. The process is used in making some U.S. brands like Ice House.

      The freezing point for alcohol is much lower than that of water, so freezing the water in the beer and picking the ice off the top means a higher concentration of alcohol is left.

    3. When I went on the brewery tour some years back, they specifically pointed to having a special, high-tolerance yeast.

      Checking the website, they’re sticking with that:

      THE BREWERS UTILIZED SEVERAL YEAST STRAINS DURING FERMENTATION, INCLUDING ONE TYPICALLY RESERVED FOR CHAMPAGNE, AND A “NINJA YEAST,” CREATED FOR ITS ABILITY TO SURVIVE AND CONTINUE FERMENTING IN AN ENVIRONMENT THAT HAS SUCH A HIGH ALCOHOL LEVEL.

    4. Thanks everyone for the information. It does seem that what I learned in my youth is now outdated.

  20. A swarm of honey bees has killed 63 endangered penguins in South Africa by stinging them in the EYES

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10008295/A-swarm-honey-bees-killed-63-endangered-penguins-South-Africa-stinging-EYES.html

    Now that’s a shitty way to die. I wouldn’t even wish that on my fan club.

    1. Good, those penguins had it coming from what I know about those sick fuckers.

      1. Bruce? Is that you?

      2. Now what did poor Opus from Berk Breathed’s “Bloom County” ever do to you?

        1. You know the size of his nose varied with the author’s libido?

          1. Then Burke’s libido must have grown with age. Lucky guy! Breathed is certainly a fitting name!

    2. It has not yet been explained by officials why the bees may have stung the penguins

      Nancy Pelosi’s calling for an investigation.

      ‘The penguins … must not die just like that as they are already in danger of extinction. They are a protected species,’ Roberts said.

      ‘We are therefore mandating each remaining penguin get a honeybee-venom vaccine.’

      1. And a bridge in Del Rio.

      2. Just blindfold all the penguins.

  21. In recent weeks, Mr. O’Rourke has been making calls to Democratic leaders across Texas to inform them that he is seriously considering taking on Gov. Greg Abbott…

    He might want to wait for a few more blue state immigrants to take root before trying it.

    1. The problem is the blue immigrants are turning red in Texas. Only the white Californians are blue.

      1. Let’s see whether these immigrants were pro-Trump, or pro-Republican first. As far as blue state newcomers voting Republican here, personally I’ve seen too many CA/IL/MD/NY license plated cars in front of houses with Biden/Harris or Beto signs (or have stickers on the cars), to give that much credence.

        The ones I see are missionaries of blue states, not refugees from them.

        1. You have a good point, the big pro-Trump swing along the border was smaller for down-ballot Republicans.

          But I’m pretty sure Beto O’Rourke himself isn’t viable. Back in 2018 he was something new and exciting (at least for the easily excited). Now that he’s fizzled multiple times the buzz is off. It’s not clear he’d even win the Dem primary if he gets significant competition.

          1. Here.

            https://www.texasmonthly.com/news-politics/democrats-losing-texas-latinos-trump/

            It isn’t just trump voters. The hispanics are growing more and more into the GOP.

            1. Yeah, I thought you’d bring up that story. (And I cleverly deleted mentioning it in my earlier post.) I’m still not convinced.

              I can buy Mexican/Tejano disgust for the increasingly depraved social policies of the Democratic Party, as well as wanting some control on the rise in violent crime. I can’t see them throwing out stalwarts like Chuy Hinojosa, Henry Cuellar, or the Castros. (I guess Silvestre Reyes retired. Thought he’d never leave…) Quite a few new Hispanic-sounding names with ’21 start dates in the GOP rolls though.

              Immigration is—despite the Monthly story lalala’ing it away—still going to be a big deal. Those who’re here, want Tio/Tia and Abuela here too, and don’t look kindly at efforts to keep them out. (This emphatically does not apply to anyone who has gone through the US multi-decade legal immigration process. Those people hate line jumpers with a passion.) And immigration is one of those issue the GOP has been perceived to be harsher on than the Ds.

              It read to me like another paean to Latinos as natural conservatives, which is both bullshit if we’re discussing recent immigrants (Tejanos here since Spain are different) and an argument I expect the GOPe to make. So when Texas Monthly, who definitely aren’t right-wing, start making it, I get suspicious.

              In any event, that’s the influx into South Texas. The blue state migrants aren’t moving there, for the most part. They’re going to Austin/DFW/Houston. And most aren’t conservative. At least, IME, in Houston.

              1. My wife is second generation and her whole family was democrat as recently as 10 years ago. There are only 2 strong democrats left in her family. Most are tired of the paternalism and have actively switched their party registration. Anecdote, but it seems to be happening more and more.

                1. That’s fantastic, Jesse. I hope it’s catching. Not that the GOP half of the Uniparty is that great, at least they don’t have their gas pedal shoved to the floor.

              2. If you look back at previous elections, Bush on his second term took a rather large proportion of hispanic votes, and most especially in Texas. You’ll note that the same election, one of his planks was immigration reform which was unsuccessful.

                If the GOP were to offer a solution to the immigration mess that did not include full open borders but still provided some mechanism for support, they would probably go a long ways in capturing the hispanic vote for a long term. It worked for Bush, and it worked for Reagan before that.

                The problem will be a solution that navigates multiple parties. There are nativists who want to protect their culture. There are laborers who want to keep salaries high by centrally controlling the labor supply. There are political strategists who are concerned about how this changes voting dynamics.

                I think any solution will only please two out of the three. You could work out a guest worker program that allows cheap labor, but doesn’t encourage people to bring families (importing culture) and doesn’t get citizenship. Or you could find a route to citizenship that encourages assimilation, but you would still see demographic changes in voting.

                It will be tricky either way, and I don’t trust the GOP to be successful at anything mildly tricky.

    2. If Texas Democrats had a chance of winning, they wouldn’t let Beto be the nominee.

  22. “Facebook calls fake news on The Wall Street Journal.”

    Company says criticism is false.

    I am so glad Reason is covering this completely unheard of and exceptionally unusual news.

    1. Facebook is attacking the free abd open press?!? Impeach!

      1. No, it’s OK as long as it is not a non-progressive doing it.

  23. “The Pentagon admitted that the people killed in its most recent Afghanistan drone strike were innocent civilians, not terrorists.”

    Whatever.

    Mr. Buttplug showed me the ideal sarcastic response to neutralize any criticism of Biden’s handling of Afghanistan. Are you ready? Here it is:

    SLOPPY PULLOUT!!!!!!1111111

    #LibertariansForBiden
    #BidenIsAsSharpAsEver

    1. Buttplug was right!

      Nothing sloppier than the blood and guts of civilians plastered everywhere.

      1. Like there hadn’t been hundreds of suicide bombers in the Middle East since 2001?

        The SLOPPY PULLOUT! will be forgotten and rolled up into the hundreds of similar ones in a blink of historical time.

        1. That wasn’t a terrorist attack you paid DNC shill. That was a drone bombing by the senile <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XqF4wA-dco"child molester you simp for.

        2. War crime =/ act of defense

    2. SLOPPY PULLOUT! adds the proper context to the wingnutteri who caterwaul about the “BIGGEST FOREIGN POLICY BLUNDR IN OUR LIVES!!!”.

      It’s like the $3 trillion Iraq War disaster never happened.

      Because Republicans don’t make foreign policy mistakes in Wingnut Bullshit-ville.

      1. The Iraq war that Biden also voted for? The fella will botch anything he touches.

        1. Yeah, the Iraq War was Biden’s fault. You wingnuts never disappoint.

          1. Did he vote in favor of it or not, you hicklib pederast?

            Sorry your lefty boo made a bad decision.

          2. Biden was a sitting senator and supported it. He takes some of the blame fir that debacle. Most goes to Bush/Cheney.
            The entirety of the botched abandonment of Afghanistan goes to Biden. As does the war crime drone strike on the way out.

            1. After the Bushpigs built up a pack of lies. Like Saddam harvesting yellowcake from Niger and putting nukes on speedboats to detonate in US harbor cities.

              Dickless Cheney lied his ass off then when caught told a subordinate to out a covert CIA agent.

              That was the time period I really began hating Republicans. You all kept telling me I couldn’t be a patriot and not vote for Bush and Cheney.

              History is shitting all over Bush the Lesser. Repubs have even turned on him.

              1. Wasn’t it a few days ago you cited Bush dumping on Trump as support for dumping on Trump?

                1. Yes, I like party infighting because I hate parties.

                  The far-left/progressive vs centrist Democrat infighting is like catnip to me.

                  1. If that is your catnip, then Subway Jared and Jerry Sundusky must be your crack.

                    1. No, they were his mentors. The kids section at the local water park is his crack.

                  2. Yes, I like party infighting because I hate parties.

                    Parties that the hicklib pederast doesn’t hate include kids birthday parties at the local Chuck E. Cheese, if he didn’t have a restraining order to worry about.

                  3. *simps for Soros and the DNC*

                    “Oh noes, I’m totes not a Democrat”

        2. Let’s not leave out his former boss starting up a region-wide color revolution in the Middle East that didn’t bring about any sort of “democracy,” but did bring the slave markets back to Libya, exacerbated a refugee crisis, deepened the divisions between Qatar and the GCC, and led to the rise of ISIS.

          1. I really don’t give a shit about the people of the Middle East.

            In fact when religious wackos start killing each other I want to pour a drink and watch.

            1. The hicklib pederast deflects from his lefty boos fucking up.

            2. Remember when ISIS took all those Christian Copts in their orange prison garb to the beach, made them kneel and slit their throats for the camera? Did you enjoy your popcorn?

              Remember when ISIS beheaded all those Yazidis and Marionite Christians, and then aired video of them selling their daughters in the marketplace? Did that give you a chub?

              Thanks for reconfirming that you’re utterly fucking evil, anyway. As expected from one of Soros’s mouthpieces.

  24. At 28% ABV, barley any will put you over the limit.

    1. What a spirited pun you make there.

      1. It was brewing for a while.

  25. Utopias is at lagerheads with many state beer laws.

    1. the states put forth a stout offensive

      1. Those that can’t get it legally will have to resort to w(h)ine.

        1. Irish Amber needs Utopias to take her pils.

          1. Sam Adams is a liter in craft brewing.

        2. It always gets Carolina Blondes what they want.

    2. Utopias is a porter in a storm of bad alcohol laws.

      1. Some of those alcohol laws are pourly written.

  26. “Democrats can’t use the budget bill for immigration reform”

    That’s not exactly true. The Democrats could sell green cards to these immigrants for a fee then it would involve the budget and money.

    1. Kinda like an oil lease in Alaska except you’re buying access to America.

    2. No they can’t. That would require changes to immigration laws. Literally what they can’t do per the parliamentarian. DACA has registration fees dummy.

      1. I’m not talking registration fees. I’m saying straight up selling green cards for money to pay down the budget. It would be exactly the type of legislation permitted by reconciliation.

        1. Like Canada?

      2. I realize the law doesn’t presently permit the selling of green cards to pay down the debt. That’s what the law passed by reconciliation would change.

        1. Please read the parliamentarian ruling. It is very difficult to change passed law through the process. Just adding a fee to it does not pass muster.

    3. You are wrong, as usual lard of shitstain.

      Democrat fail again.

  27. Your typical beer used to clock in around or under 5 percent ABV. But recent years have seen an explosion of craft beers—especially India pale ales—with 6, 7, or even 8 percent ABV, and many companies rolling out even higher-alcohol-content brews.

    I used to make my own beer, and got pretty good at it. Looked into doing it professionally but the pay averages around $40K. Can’t live on that. Looked into it more. Even visited some local breweries. Turns out the job is mostly cleaning. No wonder pays crap.

    Anyway, like most homebrewers I naturally tried to make the strongest brew I could. Biggest bang for the time spent. It tasted like crap. My best brews were in the 4-5% range. Session ales and Eastern European lagers.

    So I’ll definitely pass on this one and recommend others do the same. Especially since the bad alcohols, the headache makers as in methyl and fusel oils, tend to be in higher proportions the longer the yeast works.

    1. Turns out the job is mostly cleaning

      Same thing with cidermaking. You may think the hardest part will be keeping the yellow jackets at bay while you run the press, but in fact it’s cleaning, cleaning, cleaning. Worse in fact with cider since it relies on multiple rackings to get fermentation to quit before the sugar is all gone. And then there are the bottles…..

      But seriously, why all the focus on killer ABV? If one wants alcohol for a painkiller, there are plenty of options, all of which will be cheaper than anything you can produce yourself.

      1. Oh boy. Them hornets love the sweet stuff. Doesn’t sound like fun.

        Best batch of anything I ever made was a cider. I used local cider. And in Maine there’s no shortage of that. Beefed up the specific gravity with some malt extract to get an expected ABV of 5%, and fermented with lager yeast. When all was done I added some potassium sorbate to stop the honey I added with it from starting a secondary fermentation. Force carbonated it in a corny keg.

        Holy fuck that was good.

        1. Know what? That’s not true. The absolute best brew I ever made I used maple sap instead of water for the entire process. Mash and sparge. Made a brown ale. Had a wood-like flavor as if it had been aged in barrels. Sublime.

          But like the honey cider, the ingredient cost would make it too expensive to sell as a commercial product.

          1. Interesting idea to use sap rather than water for brewing. Cool that you got a woody flavor. I can’t taste anything except sweet in raw sap, but my experience has all been with swamp maples – maybe different intensities from sugar maple?

            But I’m one of the unlucky ones that can taste sorbate. Of course, since bitter is what hops brings in, why not?

            I tried doing mead last year with quality farmstand honey, using apple “cider” (UV treated apple juice from the same place) to dilute it with rather than water. I figured the juice would bring in the nutrients at a low lever, and maybe cause it to stop early. Anyway, it was just wicked hot, like a bad Columbia river white wine; most of the fragrance of the honey was gone. I’ve got it bottled, and am hoping it will soften over time, but I’m not wasting money on honey for something like again without some more info.

            (Headed way downeast later this week, hoping to come back with a car full of feral apples for pressing! Wahoo!!!)

            1. I never had much luck with mead. The sugar ferments out, leaving behind the flavor of whatever the bees visited. So when I made beer and beefed it up with commercial honey, all it did was make it taste like clover stems. And when I made mead with commercial honey it tasted like clover stems. Because the sweet fermented out. The cider was different. I halted fermentation with the potassium sorbate and the honey kept it’s sweet. Tasted good.

              Same idea with the maple sap. The yeast ate the sweet, and only the maple flavor was left.

              1. Perhaps mead just tastes bad. There is probably a reason that beer almost entirely replaced mead once barley became widely cultivated in northern Europe.

    1. True. I thought champagne yeast, which poops out at around 18%, was the master.

      28%? That must be cranking out some nasty byproducts by the time it gets there.

      1. I’ve only made beer once and wine twice, so I’ve only dabbled in this stuff.

        Couldn’t it be that they simply dumped in some additional alcohol after it was done brewing?

        1. Nope. Against the rules. That would make it “fortified” like vermouth or madeira. Stuff that’s best left for cooking.

            1. Pound out a chicken cutlet, dredge it in seasoned flour, and drop into a hot pan with some olive oil. Add some artichoke hearts and some roasted red peppers or whatever feels good. When the chicken is mostly cooked, add some fortified wine. Vermouth. Marsala. Whatever. Finish with some stock to make a gravy, then put on pasta. Yum.

              1. Sounds good.

                Kinda off-topic. I mentioned that I dabbled in fermenting beer and wine.

                I’ve just taken up a different kind of fermenting: making my own sauerkraut. As well as making my own pickles, and whatever you call the pickled carrots/peppers that you get in Mexican restaurants. Almost no learning curve, but delicious results.

                1. Sarcasmic combines both and pickles his liver.

                2. there is no off-topic

                  Interesting. Not a fan of angry Germans or that Chi chick named Kim.

                  Do you have a garden? I don’t. To me it isn’t worth it unless you’ve got a garden or a friend with a garden surplus. Even then it’s a lot of work. Helped my mom can some tomatoes this last weekend. That was fun.

                  1. Nah. I tried gardening. The birds and snails, etc. would always get to whatever nice stuff I grew before I did.

                    1. My problem has always been lack of sun. If I had a snail problem I’d get some chickens. My ex has some. I get a dozen of fresh eggs every other week when my daughter visits. Good stuff. I save them for breakfast eggs instead of using them for baking or whatever.

                      Kinda like how I’d save them for over easy and over medium, while using the old ones for over hard.

                      Cue JesseAz shrilly telling the world how I burn steaks.

                3. If I win the lottery (which I don’t play, but I figure the odds aren’t much different) I want a small house on a large piece of land with a fucking garden. That’s one thing I hate about Maine. It’s a huge forest. Want to grow vegetables or whatever? Need to clear an acre or more, otherwise you’re like a mole in a beard.

                  1. You’re gonna hate me, but I’ve spent most of my life living in a small house on a large piece of land, with lots of sun.

                    1. Why would I wish you ill for that? I’m not one of the Mean Girls.

                4. The process for making kombucha is interesting, if you are interested in fermentation.

                  1. Maybe next. My nephew used to make his own kombucha.

      2. I was wondering if it is GMO.

    2. Hey now! No derrogatory language! You won’t get your label approved that way! 😉

  28. 414 days to midterms.

    1. Based on Biden’s amazing success so far, Democrats will make gains in both the House and Senate.

      #BlueWave2022

      1. Based on the unusual and magical nature of the last election, Democrats will make gains in both the House and Senate.

        1. You’ve figured out the plan! Have you thought about sharing your insight with the GOP? Because I’m pretty sure they don’t have a clue about what the Democrats have planned. They think these new anti-fraud voting laws they’ve passed are going to keep them safe, they have no idea the Democrats are going to get a shitload of lawyers to file lawsuits that argue, thanks to the pandemic, we’re going to need special temporary rules to relax the normal standards for elections and they’re going to win those suits. And the GOP is going to be standing there after the election wondering how the hell that happened.

          1. The GOPe want to be the gallant losers. They imagine themselves standing on the bulwarks shouting “Wait, let’s think about this first” to the tide.

  29. Rules are for little people, example N:

    “UN using honor system to check vaccinations for big meeting”
    […]
    “The U.N. General Assembly is relying on an honor system — and only an honor system — to ensure that world leaders have been vaccinated before they speak at next week’s big meeting, the assembly president said.
    Presidents, premiers, monarchs and other dignitaries won’t have to show vaccination cards or other proof of inoculation — they’ll simply attest to it by swiping their ID badges at the assembly hall, G.A. President Abdulla Shahid said in a letter Thursday….”
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/un-using-honor-system-to-check-vaccinations-for-big-meeting/ar-AAOz1na?ocid=uxbndlbing

    1. They also drive and park like assholes.

    2. Just like with climate change, I’ll believe Covid is a threat to humanity when the people who are claiming it is, start acting like it.

      And if Presidents, premiers, monarchs and other dignitaries won’t show their proof of inoculation, why should Joe Lunchbucket believe that they even are?

  30. Scott Adams got commie shit’s number:
    https://dilbert.com/

    1. Scott’s been giving it good to the socialists and covid fear mongers laterly.

    2. Whoa!!!!!

      Direct hit at the waterline!

    3. What’s hilarious about that particular strip is 1) Wally’s always been a slackoff, so nothing’s really changed; and 2) it’s a direct hit on a lot of office cubicle environments as well. Anyone who’s been in one knows of at least one person whose work attitude is exactly like this.

  31. “I acted because I had a duty of care to this patient, as I do for all patients, and because she has a fundamental right to receive this care. I fully understood that there could be legal consequences — but I wanted to make sure that Texas didn’t get away with its bid to prevent this blatantly unconstitutional law from being tested.”

    Of course, as is always the case, the procedure resulted in death.

  32. Can’t imagine wanting to drink 28% abv beer, sounds gross.

    If you have that kind of need for alcohol, start drinking bourbon or scotch.

  33. SF Mayor Breed caught dancing without a mask.

    Her response:

    ***”We don’t need the fun police to come in and micromanage and tell us what we should or shouldn’t be doing,” said Breed during an interview to address the controversy.***

    Irony that she IS the fun police, literally, was lost on her, naturally.

    1. Some nasty scenes have bee reported regarding patrons refusing the host/tess request for ‘papiers, bitte’, and that’s blaming the messenger.
      The city should put a city employee in each establishment, wearing a sign noting that they are enforcing Breed’s edict; let government workers take the heat for government fuckups.

      1. Part of the propaganda is showing videos of some asshole making a teenaged grocery clerk cry because he doesn’t want to wear a mask. If they’re yelling at government employees, it’s much less sympathetic.

    2. “I’m the fun police and am making it illegal to dance without a mask.”
      *get’s caught dancing without a mask*
      “I don’t need the fun police telling me what to do”

      San Francisco politics – Not even once

  34. “I slaughtered her kid because I had a duty of care to this patient, as I do for all patients”

    I’m against the death penalty, but I hope that this murderous psychopath gets the death penalty. There’s no compassion in offing children for irresponsible sluts. Ted Bundy in a lab coat.

  35. Beers above 15% ABV are mostly undrinkable, and entirely novelty items. One of the few exceptions are icebocks, which start out as good beer but then get ice distilled. But a naturally high ABV means an extremely cloying and syrupy beer. That Sam Adams chooses to make their novelty beers with funky ingredients only adds to the taste abomination.

    Sure, go buy one of these oddball beers, and display it in your collection. But by gawd don’t drink it!

    p.s. Truth in advertising means that I must admit I once made a 13% wee heavy scotch ale. It was primo. Won an award! But it was at the ragged edge of drinkability and rust remover. Yeasts and techniques to bump up the ethanol would only have given it more of those nasty higher alcohols and funky flavor notes.

    1. There’s already a conversation about that.

      https://reason.com/2021/09/20/why-is-this-beer-banned-in-15-states/#comment-9112701

      Feel free to join in.

      1. Lol, he’s advertising his own thread.

        1. advertising his own thread

          Smells of desperation. And yeast.

          1. That smell is your mom.

          2. Given his alcoholism and other serious issues, advertising his own thread is the yeast of his worries.

        2. Yep. I’m inviting him into a conversation. That’s where civilized people exchange ideas instead of insults. You should try it sometime.

          1. *Calls me uncivilized and then says “no insults”*

            Oh sarcasmic you lolcow, never change.

            1. When was the last time you exchanged ideas (other than theories about me) with anyone?

              1. With anyone? Fifteen times in this thread.
                With you? Not for years. You’re a dishonest troll and a whiny attention whore, and quite honestly when I’m not laughing at you, I’m disgusted by you.

                And if you had two brain cells to rub together, you’d realize that you’re the author of your problems here and not anyone else. Stand back and question why perfectly reasonable and judicious posters here like Ken, Soldermedic and Overt blocked you or declaimed you.

    2. Beers above 15% ABV are mostly undrinkable
      Yup.
      Just like the ones who use too much hops or taste too yeasty. It’s all about balance.

      Now if somebody wants to sell a yeast-flavored hops extract with 50% abv they can go right ahead, but I can understand the urge to ban it.

      1. It is best for a beer to have a hoptimal balance.

        1. Cha-chic!
          *finger gun and wink*

          1. With minimalt imperfections.

        2. It is best for a beer to have a hoptimal balance.

          Yep, even if the balance is barley off, that can ruin it.

  36. Alan Braid seeks to be the next dead baby joke.

  37. https://twitter.com/Stephe96/status/1439751918537125889?s=19

    Cops in Australia had to kill the old woman to protect her health. [Link]

    1. And when people point out that she’s literally a martyr there, watch all the usual suspects make comparisons to Horst Wessel.

      The establishment is fucking evil. Nobody with a Harvard or LSE degree should be allowed within 100 feet of a government building worldwide.

      1. “The establishment is fucking evil. Nobody with a Harvard or LSE degree should be allowed within 100 feet of a government building worldwide.”

        I’ve argued here before that it might be time to stop the Ivy League fetish, and let the kids from the land grant colleges take a crack at government. I’d think they’d be bitten less by the Good Idea Bug, at any rate.

    2. Did they bash her head in with a fire extinguisher or did she have an aneurism after being hit with bear spray?

      Inquiring White Mikes want to know…

      In all seriousness, what they did do was a full on body check from which she didn’t get up and then 2 of the ‘peace’ officers cap sprayed her directly in the face at the same time while she lay prone.

    3. Thank God Australia is a liberal democracy.

      1. Their government has oztracized itself from the citizenry.
        (ostrichcized was second place).

  38. Why Is This Beer Banned in 15 States?

    Because your government hates you.

  39. “The US [knew] that inside this area, inside the car, [were] children, why [did] they target innocent [people] in this area?”

    These brave children gave their lives to prop up the narrative.

  40. “In recent weeks, Mr. O’Rourke has been making calls to Democratic leaders across Texas to inform them that he is seriously considering taking on Gov. Greg Abbott, a Republican who is up for re-election next year,”

    Upon hearing this news, Democratic leadership to scrambled to find a candidate that could beat Beto in a primary.

    1. ya dude. “Please no, Robby.”

    2. Hmm? Why would they waste a decent candidate on a no-hope election?

  41. “Restrictions on women’s free choice is anathema to freedom and liberty” — @Ella_M_Whelan argues one of the greatest battles for women in the 21st century is the fight to make decisions about their bodies https://t.co/pFifN0MEqp

    now do everything else you can do to your own body

  42. So, Trumpists are challenging election results even in counties where Trump won bigly.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-won-these-counties-big-his-supporters-question-results-there-n1278653

    Well I do have to give them some credit, evidently their skepticism isn’t completely because they are mad Trump lost.

    But, it does beg the question. What type of election security would be good enough? What procedures would they require in order to think that the election was at least ‘secure enough’?

    1. Your begged question has already been answered to you dozens of times here, you paid party shill.

      What you’re attempting to do is imply that nothing will ever satisfy “Trumpists” because you want to portray their beliefs as baseless. Just more bad faith from you as usual.

      1. The Canadian who won’t accept the results of an American election unless Trump wins is accusing someone else of arguing in bad faith?

        Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! Too funny.

        1. “You’re Canadian so you can’t question us”

          Annnd sarcasmic apparently doesn’t know what ‘bad faith arguments’ are either. Did you think it’s the same thing as “changing” goalposts”, sarcasmic?

          I’m not sure if chemleft wants a literal retard to white knight for him.

    2. They will only accept the results that they want. So I imagine cheating to their advantage is the only thing they’d consider to be fair.

  43. A Chinese student studying in Canada shared just three posts on Twitter — using a fake name and location — critical of Xi Jinping and government corruption. He had two followers. And then the police started contacting him and his family.

    Looks like Twitter is sharing info with the CCP again.

    1. Say it ain’t so!

    2. Hopefully the student will be able to duck peeking officials.

      1. Like General Tso?

        1. If he can keep his head lo, mainly when online, he should be ok.

  44. Beto taking on a guy in a wheelchair? Doesn’t he know that under Identity Politics Rules, that makes him Literally Hitler?

    1. Democratic politicians are exempt from Identity Politics rules

    2. Wheels is a weathervaning piece of trash, whose saving is he’s marginally better than John Cornyn. I think he’ll beat O’Rourke soundly, but I don’t know. After 11/2020, I don’t trust that he will either.

  45. Beto O’Rourke is back. “In recent weeks, Mr. O’Rourke has been making calls to Democratic leaders across Texas to inform them that he is seriously considering taking on Gov. Greg Abbott, a Republican who is up for re-election next year,” reports The New York Times.

    WHO?!!

  46. Libertarianism if a gay Mexican with a craft beer in one hand and a joint in the other.

    1. is not if

    2. Gay is so early 2000s. It’s an unvaccinated trans Guatemalan Dreamer with a mask and a hijab on.

    3. Where does the mop go?

    4. …craft beer sold from a food truck…and a joint being smoked by a ferret….

  47. How the heck can you make 28% ABV beer?!! That’s like…port beer! It’s gotta be fortified. If they’re distilling mash and adding it back, is that beer or…brisky? Whale?

    1. They add caramel in the brewing process.

  48. Wow…. 15 states ban it and California’s not on the list? The Cali-Ban are lager-lagging! (Don’t you just love word play involving the word “lager?” It’s just so campy!)

  49. The end of every day is the perfect time to let your imagination run wild and declare yourself to that special someone. A simple goodnight message can bring a smile, but a very passionate and romantic phrase is even better!
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  50. Sam Adams Utopia is an instant DUI and you can honestly tell the police you only drank one beer.

  51. While I think 28% beer should be allowed, I also think that something that high must be labeled. You can drink and drive after 2 beers, but not 2 of those. Also, the high ABV beers like Belgium Tripels don’t taste like beer. I don’t think they are anything special.

  52. It is utter injustice baning a beer brand! Anyways you can substitute any beer with the wonder drink called as Kombucha I think the foreigner’s governments are pretty lenient while baning any stuff.

  53. When I read the headline, I thought must be Democratic-run states banning Corona beer.

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