COVID-19 Vaccination Should Not Be Legally Required for Parenthood
Only in extreme circumstances should a court come between a parent and their child.

A family court judge in Chicago denied a mother the right to custody over her son until she gets vaccinated against COVID-19, the implication being that an unvaccinated parent is not a fit parent. The ruling didn't hold long—the judge himself quickly reversed course—but the initial decision will be chilling for thousands of parents across the country. Making parental or child vaccination a requirement for custody would be an enormous judicial and government overreach, setting a dangerous precedent for intervention into what has traditionally been the realm of the family. This case may be a fluke, but parents engaged in custody disputes across the country should be aware that their vaccination status might play a role in determining whether they have access to their child.
This is not the first time judges have tried to use judicial power to convince the unwilling to get vaccinated. In Ohio, at least two judges have made vaccination a condition of probation; the defendants will face jail time if they do not get vaccinated. These cases might not attract the sympathy of many. People who are facing probation have, by definition, been convicted of crimes and lost at least some of their autonomy to the state. There is a well-established history of judges using "creative" punishments to try to reform defendants (usually through public humiliation).
Reasonable people can disagree about the degree to which judges can, or should, try to impose creative sentences, including coronavirus vaccine mandates, for defendants. People who have been convicted of crimes are human beings, and forcing someone to choose between being vaccinated against their will or going to prison should at the very least raise eyebrows. But using COVID-19 vaccination as a factor in decision-making at family court erases the autonomy of parents who have committed no crimes and might otherwise be thoughtful, loving guardians.
Parents who are hesitant to be vaccinated aren't the first to face judicial pressure because of their perceived failures as a parent. Christian Scientists, for example, traditionally refuse to receive all but the most limited medical care. This has had dire consequences: Christian Scientist parents who have failed to seek medical care for their children have been brought before courts to answer in criminal trials for their child's injury or death. Even so, state law has explicitly protected parents who choose to forego medical treatment for their children in favor of prayer and spiritual healing.
By contrast, parents with some habits as common as smoking might find themselves losing custody of a child. While exposure to second-hand smoke is undoubtedly harmful, so is the disruption of the parent-child relationship. The fact that custody can be lost due to smoking, while the law often explicitly protects faith-healing, demonstrates the inconsistency of the government when it acts in loco parentis. Courts may have only the best of intentions towards children and families, but in the massive family court system, values become muddled.
The Jehovah's Witnesses are another minority religious group with practices that have put them at odds with the American judiciary for their failure to raise their children the "right way." In a 1944 case, the Supreme Court upheld the conviction of a Jehovah's Witness mother who was accused of violating a Massachusetts child labor statute by having her young daughter distribute religious pamphlets. The parents would have been perfectly free to distribute pamphlets; the issue was simply whether their daughter could do so. The court wrote that "parents may be free to become martyrs themselves. But it does not follow they are free, in identical circumstances, to make martyrs of their children."
But the mother in the Chicago vaccination case did not want to make a martyr of her son. While her choice to not be vaccinated against COVID-19 may be unwise, its connection to her ability to be a good mother is limited at best. Even if the judge feared that the mother might contract COVID-19 and pass it on to her child, this is not an adequate basis for damaging a familial relationship. COVID-19 poses about the same risk to children that influenza does, but parents do not routinely lose custody of their children for opting out of their annual flu shot. Besides, as has become obvious thanks to the delta variant, even a vaccinated parent could get their unvaccinated child sick.
One may find the mother in this case to be foolish for choosing to endanger herself by not getting the vaccine. Unfortunately, for those who would like to make vaccination a condition of parenthood, mothers and fathers are routinely permitted to make any number of seemingly foolish decisions without losing access to their children. That's because the legal system generally recognizes the enormous damage that can be caused to a child by removing a parent from their life.
Every day, parents make decisions that others might consider unwise. Sometimes, they do so to the detriment of their child. But most of these people are still fundamentally loving parents despite their mistakes, and only in the most extreme of circumstances should courts tamper with the bond between parents and their children. The choice by a parent to refuse vaccination against the coronavirus does not rise to that level.
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In fact, its more likely that Americans would agree that there is a 9th Amendment protection of privacy, medical privacy, and requirement for voluntary consent to medical procedures.
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Don’t agree with the judges initial ruling, but come on people: just get the shots. I’d like to be past this goddamn pandemic and not prolong it for years.
I feel you, but it's kind of like smoking bans. As much as I may appreciate not having to quarantine my weekend laundry after a trip to the bars, I can't get behind government restricting private business and individuals from making their own choices. I would love it if everyone got vaccinated. But that's not happening, and the government coercing a medical procedure is something I can't stand for.
At this point I’m in favor of a national mandate. Smallpox and polio were only eradicated (in the US) by vaccines. Unfortunately the COVId vaccines have become politicized despite their efficacy and safety. Smallpox vaccine mandates have withstood legal challenges.
And while I don’t disagree with you about smoking mandates, unfortunately Covid is a lot different than second hand smoke.
The vaccines are garbage.
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Fk off.
This is an excerpt regarding the latest Smallpox vax. Less than ten percent asked to volunteer got the jab. The language: "is both safe and effective" and "due to the high rate of serious adverse effects..." Sound familiar?
Starting in early 2003, the United States government started a program to vaccinate 500,000 volunteer health care professionals throughout the country. Recipients were healthcare workers who would be first-line responders in the event of a bioterrorist attack. Many healthcare workers refused, worried about vaccine side effects, and healthcare systems refused to participate. Fewer than 40,000 actually received the vaccine.
In May 2007, the Vaccines and Related Biological Products Advisory Committee of the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) voted unanimously that a new live virus vaccine produced by Acambis, ACAM2000, is both safe and effective for use in persons at high risk of exposure to smallpox virus. However, due to the high rate of serious adverse effects, the vaccine will only be made available to the CDC (a part of the United States Department of Health and Human Services) for the Strategic National Stockpile.
Bob I assume that is regarding smallpox that exists in other countries, not the US. No one in the US is at high risk of exposure to smallpox.
No one in the US is at high risk of exposure to smallpox.
People that work in labs with smallpox certainly are. Oh, but lab leaks could never happen here.
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secondhand smoke entirely more dangerous ... and totally not dangerous.
Sure, the risks of Covid and second hand smoke are clearly different; the stakes are plainly higher. But the reason we let people make their own decisions (or should, at least) hasn't changed. If anything, aren't the justifications against a national vaccine mandate stronger than in the smoking example, where you can just go outside?
It's a new vaccine...using (mostly) new technology...to treat a new disease...developed under enormous pressure--socially, financially, politically...that does come with some (albeit, mostly rare) side effects. No one should be forced to take that. I get that you (and I) have both weighed the risks and come to the same conclusion. And yes most people will do that too. But the long term risk of harm from the covid vaccine is still not 'zero'. It's a medical procedure like any other. And you can't compel that because you (or the people in charge) believe it will benefit "the greater good"--or your perception of it, at least.
Yes, covid sucks. It kills people. But it's not the government's job to fix everything bad in the world. And even if it were, it should never be allowed to do so by force.
Addendum: Yes, the government can use force sometimes (like crime and punishment), but you get what I'm saying...
But it’s not the government’s job to fix everything bad in the world.
too true, too true...but in actuality, the government's real job is to FUBAR everything good in the world, so it can then be seen as fixing everything bad in the world...
Fuck off slaver.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/17CFjK6MEkz82cGY0FXbqOX7lBayqGFf3ae4prOodxok/edit
A much more detailed and well documented version of my argument. Thanx for posting, though the "fuck off" may not have been necessary.
Very necessary.
Smallpox and polio were only eradicated (in the US) by vaccines.
Eradicated in 1979 or 2005?
False equivalency between poloio/small pox vaccines to Covid.
Covid vaccines are leaky vaccines - they sterilize only a certain variant.
Covid vaccines do not prevent infections nor transmission. At best they may be more protective to the vaccinated user but even that narrative may change.
Vaccines themselves may be causing immune pressure or natural selection to create more variants.
And getting back to normal life by holding people hostage to take the jab or else, that is political tactic and not based on science.
Also a bit fallacious to say it was eradicated and kept so by vaccine. We didn't vaccinate every last American for smallpox or polio. Not when we eradicated it, not when subsequent outbreaks occurred. If there were another outbreak of smallpox or polio, we wouldn't simply say everyone was vaccinated and let them wade in to treat the sick without PPE. Of course, we wouldn't (and didn't) lock everyone down for "two weeks" either.
At this point I’m in favor of a national mandate.
What should happen to those who resist any such mandate?
Leftists seem to think State Agents breaking into their homes and holding them down while someone jabs a needle into their body is entirely reasonable policy, and will be irresistible.
so you're a tyrant. you want to force me to take a drug that i don't want or need. if you're vaccinated and the vaccines work, which they don't, then why do you care about my status. presumably you're safe. what about the 39 million people who were infected and absolutely don't need the vaccine? how about the 73 million children who absolutely don't need the vaccine? what about the people under 70 who are healthy and don't need the vaccine? do you just enjoy government forcing people into unwanted behavior?
WRONG ANSWER!!
First, all previous mRNA vaxxes resulted in the deaths of test animals. It is hardly reassuring that that stage of testing was skipped. WE are the guinea pigs.
Second, this vax is not a vax at all, but an experimental gene therapy, injecting foreign RNA material into our bodies.
Third, MORE PEOPLE have died from C19 shots than ALL OTHER "vaccines" put together in the last 20 yrs.
4th. There are considerable side effects. Many now experience elevated risk of heart, lung, nervous and blood conditions as well as a marked increase in inflammation of all types. Get the vax while pregnant? Chances of miscarriage zoom to 80%, and there is risk of reduced fertility. ANd cancer rates among the vaccinated are soaring.
5th the vaxxes DO NOT stop you from getting C19. So what good are they? ANd if YOU are protected by your shot, why are you so afraid that I am not?
Today you may call us "anti-vaxxers." Tomorrow you may call us "The Remnant."
What is being done re: this vax is criminal. Suppressing effective therapies, prescribing the poison remdisivir as the ONLY approved drug for hospital patients, falsifying data to promote the shot. FRAUDCI needs to die in prison.
A national mandate - maybe in a few years once we see if they are truly safe. I mean, that’s what everyone is holding out for. Hell, it might take 40 years to get people on board. Forcing them at this point is worse than just minding your own business and dealing with the fact that it’s here to stay.
"Smallpox and polio were only eradicated (in the US) by vaccines"
Repeat after me. "Covid is not smallpox. Covid is not smallpox. Covid is not smallpox".
"Smallpox vaccine mandates have withstood legal challenges"
The "mandate" in the smallpox case was a $5 fine. Also, note:
Covid is not smallpox.
Covid is not smallpox.
Covid is not smallpox, fer cryin' out loud.
I lost a job thanks to smoking laws.
I was working as a cook in a non-smoking restaurant, then the city passed an ordinance prohibiting tobacco smoking in bars and restaurants. Now all the snooty folks who ate at my employer found they could go anywhere in town without breathing in smoke. So they did. And the place went under.
This was Boulder, and the law made smoking a misdemeanor on the second or third offence. Meanwhile marijuana was a ticket. So I started lighting up joints at the bar. Less penalty than a cigarette.
Blaming the laws is kind of a reach. Maybe the restaurant sucked and the only thing it had going for it was the lack of smoke. Not sure how you blame others for that.
That's not how this works....
I’d like to be past this goddamn pandemic and not prolong it for years.
What makes you think the government or their media cheerleaders and enablers want to get "past this goddamn pandemic?"
They've found a perfect formula for keeping the populace in a constant state of fear begging for "daddy government" to make the boogie man go away. The only way past this shit is for people to stop giving in to the fear mongering and I don't see that happening anytime soon. And when/if that ever happens, they'll just find some other thing to keep people cowering in fear, begging to be "saved."
Heh, the criteria for "ending the pandemic" is changed by the "experts" on almost a daily basis.
No sorry I don’t believe the government is engaged in a massive conspiracy to keep Covid around forever.
Not the pandemic, just the restrictions it permitted. For safety.
There's no getting past COVID. It's here, forever, like its cousins. The only thing to get rid of is the "emergency" measures that rapidly metastasized into government by bureaucratic fiat, coincidentally the form of government that progressives have been pushing for 120 years.
Trudeau up in Canada has already said the quiet part out loud: that the government response to Covid will be used as a template for approaching other issues like climate change. So in that respect they do indeed plan for Covid to be around forever.
There's no "massive conspiracy" required, just "don't let a crisis go to waste." This is what they always do, use fear and paranoia to expand their power during times of crisis in ways they couldn't normally do. And then when the crisis is over they won't give up their new found power, they'll just move on to the next "big scary thing." We've seen this play out multiple times, how many more times do you have to see it before it sinks in? The government is not your friend, and they sure as fuck don't have your best interests at heart.
This is what governments do, over and over, when accumulating new powers over the populace, whether "legitimately" or through pretense: they refuse to cede anything back to citizens. But people will still pejoratively label the idea that it could be happening this time as a conspiracy theory.
"It totes can't happen here"
They know covid is going to be around forever regardless of what we do, so they only want the power.
No sorry I don’t believe the government is engaged in a massive conspiracy to keep Covid around forever.
not forever; just until something better comes along...does 'climate change' ring a bell...?
Einstein got it right: 'Three great forces rule the world: stupidity, fear and greed.'
In this C19 debacle, we see all 3. America, YOU FAILED! (or some 50+% anyway.)
How do you planning on dealing with COVID's animal reservoir? It's not going away. If you got the vaccine, good for you. You're protected. You're past the pandemic.
If you don't like the restrictions, blame the government, not the unvaxed.
Plus there's the simple fact that this disease is global. Whenever somebody slags on the unvaxxed (say, to blame the variants on them), the assumption is always that it's some MAGA-hat wearing redneck in Iowa. But is the U.S. the only country with significant numbers of unvaxxed? I don't think so.
This redneck from Iowa resents that. I don't wear a hat.
Have any of the variants even originated in the US yet? Not as far as I know.
I don’t have a plan for the animal reservoir. However the vaccines are by far the most effective tool we have so far.
I’ve seen the stories of animal infections but I’m not sure anyone knows if that is significant or not yet. The genetic testing on the virus has indicated most people are still getting it from other people.let me know if you know otherwise
Well except for the initial cross over from bats/pangolins/pigs or what ever was the original host because all the news services ~know~ that the conspiracy theory that it came from a lab in the Wuhan province of China has been thoroughly debunked. Totes-for-sure.
" ....most effective tool...."
BULLSHIT!! That would be ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine.
Dr. Pierre Kory to the US Senate: "if you take it (ivermectin) you will not get sick!"
More here on HCQ, also effective, and other related info being suppressed by both digital and the old guard media:
aflds.org
They won't let us get past the pandemic even after 100% of the population is vaccinated.
Huh? Whos “they”? The only people prolonging the pandemic are the people who are unvaccinated but could be vaccinated and the people who are sick and going out and interacting with others.
It will never go away. Your are living in a fantasy.
What do you consider "ending the pandemic"? And what assurance do you have that the government will accept your criteria?
so you're completely clueless. the libtards running the blue states and the fed are "they". they are the ones locking down the economy, instituting mask mandates and forcing vaccine mandates. wake up to current events. here's a news flash for you: no matter what government or the woke corporations do there will always be unvaxed people. there is nothing anyone can do to force people to take an unwanted drug, short of the muzzle of a gun to the head. this pandemic has ended in many states already. the only reason it continues where it does is because "they" want it to.
So you believe that the vaccine which was going to end this, which now, 8 months later requires ~another~ Bullwinkle booster (because "This time for sure!") will ever be gotten past? Even though the 'science' now admits that the anti-bodies gained by exposure to the disease far outstrip that provided by the vaccine? That POLITICIANS will ever give up power?
I’d like to be past this goddamn pandemic and not prolong it for years.
We're not getting past it. It's a virus that's endemic to humans as well as several other mammalian species. On a global scale, it mutates faster than we can develop, manufacture, and distribute vaccines to it.
If you're going to wish for things that won't happen, might as well wish for things that won't happen that would benefit more people. Might as well wish we'd get past cancer, heart disease, and world hunger.
Surely you know by now that the jab doesn't stop you from getting or spreading the virus.
She doesn't. She's really that stupid.
" I’d like to be past this goddamn pandemic and not prolong it for years."
It is no more my responsibility to inject chemicals into my arm to protect you from a pandemic than it is my responsibility to buy you a coat to protect you from the cold.
Vaccinating yourself protects you from the pandemic. So now you can go enjoy life. The idea that you have to wait until everyone else protects themselves is silly nonsense cooked up by a draconian government.
If you want to get past the pandemic, deal with the nanny state, not anti-vaxxers. The former is causing your problems, not the latter.
The irony is that if one is really interested in "not prolonging the pandemic for years" then they should be advocating for the removal of any and every restriction, immediately.
Relatedly, I suspect that vaccine uptake in a given market is most closely correlated with prior exposure (i.e. higher rates of hospitalizations/deaths) with politics as a secondary concern. The great lesson of the hermit empires of Asia/Oceania is that successful avoidance creates complacency.
Vaccines are a public health measure as much as a personal health measure. Your post shows how little you understand about vaccines.
these drugs are by definition not vaccines. as Alex Berenson said: "It doesn’t stop infection. Or transmission. Don’t think of it as a vaccine, Think of it — at best — as a therapeutic with a limited window of efficacy and terrible side effect profile that must be dosed IN ADVANCE OF ILLNESS." he is 100% correct.
We're never getting past this pandemic, no matter how many shots you take. Pandemic emergency measures are the new TSA grabbing your junk whenever you go to the airport.
Except much, much worse
Rectal temperature taking
Don’t agree with the judges initial ruling, but come on people: just get the shots. I’d like to be past this goddamn pandemic and not prolong it for years.
Two weeks to flatten the curve.
You again! The guy/gal who couldn’t understand that the fda fully authorized vaccine is the same as the one that’s been given out under the EUA.
Now you’re wondering why we have a pandemic? Well a lot of people were transmitting the virus in those first two weeks and a lot of people were still flying here from other countries. Its not rocket science
Diane was right. Comirnaty is a BioNTech product, and is not the same as the current Pfizer vaccine that's inder EUA. It's "substantively similar," meaning it's pretty much the same, except for a few differences that don't make much difference. Comirnaty- the BioNTech vaccine that's approved by the FDA- is not currently being produced or marketed. The Pfizer vaccine that's under EUA is the one that's available.
Comirnaty is probably pretty much the same as the Pfizer shot. But it's not "the exact same." Quit being retarded.
She can't help it.
I don't hear much about "herd immunity" anymore, either. Our feckless leaders appear to have lost their minds and freaked out completely, insisting on "zero COVID", completely eliminating COVID-19 no matter what the cost.
Come on people, pass it to see what's in it.
You are aware the vaccines already are ineffective against a rapidly mutating flu virus, right?
Since when do pandemics last years?
Sad thing is, when I first saw the headline I thought this was going to be a story about a state requiring expecting mothers and fathers to get vaccinated before they would be allowed to have children.
The sadder thing is that doesn't seem all that far fetched anymore.
Satire today, policy tomorrow!
Sadly, working around the court system for the last 5 years has provided me with more insight to piss poor parents than I will ever be able to forget. I wouldn't want the government to be in the business of licensing people to become parents (because government can fuck up anything) but I can't say that there aren't people who should never be allowed to have children.
"Courts may have only the best of intentions towards children and families,"
This is a straight up lie. The courts don't care one bit about you, your children, or your family. Courts have become more totalitarian activism than judges. California CPS fought to be legally protected from perjury when testifying to take children away from parents. The are not good people with good intentions. Stop acting like the government is benevolent and wants the best for people, and start thinking and writing like a libritarian
Yeah, when I fist saw that line my immediate reaction was "citation fucking needed."
How dare you?! All the writers here write from nothing but a libertarian perspective!!!11!
Like driving their child to school (or anywhere else) in a car. Or allowing their child to do anything but hide under their bed where it's "safe." It's a dangerous world out here, get over it.
You damn fool! Under the bed is where the monsters hide!!!
The dust bunnies breed.....
The problem here goes beyond just the judge's blatant error in equating 'unvaccinated' with child neglect. He sua sponte issued an order keeping a woman from her child without a hearing or evidence on the issue apparently because he felt empowered to do so. And he only reversed the decision once it got out in the press. If a judge only feels constrained by the rule of law until he's confronted by some other form of lawlessness (doxxing, death threats, etc.), that's an issue.
Stop voting for Democrats, and you will get less of this.
In Cook County, you often don't even get the option of voting for a Republican judge.
"Only in extreme circumstances should a court come between a parent and their child."
Where the hell have you been the last two decades?
Reason writers have had some serious issues with reality since the bad orange man broke them.
It's nice to get some of these mildly libertarian takes from time to time.
Not so much mildly as an unqualified barely.
I wish Reason had done a story like this when Justina Pelletier was kidnapped and experimented on by the government. But I guess that just wasn't in vogue then.
Unfortunately, custody disputes are power struggles. Mom enjoys a glass or two of wine after work, she’s an alcoholic! Dad enjoys a cigar on the porch-he’s exposing the kids to toxic chemicals. Of course now, vaccination status is fair game.
This also struck me as a question. The article did not mention if the vaccination requirement was the judges or the other parent. Some people have failed marriages which they then moved into failed divorces. I like to know who originated the idea for vaccination and if it was not the judge, was it the other parent. If it was the other parent what was the basis for the request, was there a reason or was it spite?
The other parent never even brought it up, the judge did.
In fact the Dad hadn't even been aware of this ruling until someone told him about it, at which point, of course he believed it was sensible.
A libertarian-ish morsel to keep up the facade that Reason is still a "libertarian" magazine.
While her choice to not be vaccinated against COVID-19 may be unwise,
[...]
COVID-19 poses about the same risk to children that influenza does, but parents do not routinely lose custody of their children for opting out of their annual flu shot.
I'm trying to square these two statements.
You can square them by saying that it's also unwise to not get the flu shot, I guess.
What proportion of Americans are "unwise"?
"While her choice to not be vaccinated against COVID-19 may be unwise, its connection to her ability to be a good mother is limited at best"
really? says who? unless you're over 70 and in poor health you don't need the vaccine. i would say that getting the vaccine is unwise for the vast majority of people.
Absolutely. Let's end all these vaccine mandates: polio, MMR, whee!! Free Delta!! The level of insane anti-science in this article is unreal.
If you think that science can tell you what to do then you understand neither science nor society.
Wow! I never thought of that. Do you think that I'll have a better chance of scoring with my girlfriend if I show her my vaccination card?
Or maybe the opposite. You've heard about the bad boy attraction syndrome.
Maybe the moral of the story is to marry the right person, so you don't wind up in ugly court battles over divorce and custody.
A friend of mine told me to marry a nice person and forget religion, politics, and other traits.
I'm glad I ignored that advice. I married a woman who was the same religion, politics, and even car make loyalty (anything from GM) 25 years ago. We've dealt with a host of tough issues, because we're crazy about each other.
THe irony of the very suggestion is that if you get the shot, your chances at parenthood are greatly diminished. FIrst, you could die (roughly 50K already have) Second, shots make for 80% rate of miscarriage, and third, long range fertility is reduced.
Cite? VAERS reporting ~8k dead and 13-20% miscarriage rate.
Pardon me, 14k dead from the vaccine, which is about 50% higher than all other vaccines put together, and disproportionately impacting elderly.
405 birth defects reported, almost triple all other vaccines...
Safe! Effective!
Yes it should. Allowing people to be unvaccinated risks lives. That's insane.
And those deadly cars should all be banned too. Not only do they release toxic smog, you can get run over and die!
They won’t let us get past the pandemic even after 100% of the population is vaccinated.visit systemauni
The damned deadly covid-19 vaccine should never be mandatory for any human to take ever
Yet you undoubtedly insist on the right to breathe a deadly virus on perhaps hundreds of people a day, correct?
"setting a dangerous precedent for intervention into what has traditionally been the realm of the family"
A world were everything wasn't a granted blessing from the Gov-Gods?
Who could imagine such a thing! /s
Vaccination should be mandatory.
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