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Afghanistan: A 'Sudden Fall' Two Decades in the Making

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Afghan President Mohammad Ashraf Ghani fled the country yesterday as the Taliban entered Kabul and took control of the presidential palace. Images of the Taliban taking the city, scenes of chaos and crowding at the Kabul airport in an attempt to leave, and rumors of burqa shops booming have a lot of Americans pretending like it's not in spite—or because—of 20 years of U.S. occupation that this "sudden fall" is happening and that somehow, if we just stay a little longer, we can turn the situation around.

The delusional forever-war crowd has been joined by people who just want to slam the Biden administration whenever possible, creating a cacophony of voices advocating for continued U.S. lunacy in Afghanistan.

While acknowledging that "this was a disaster that was produced by four administrations, two Republican (George W. Bush, Donald Trump) and two Democratic (Barack Obama, Joe Biden)," Washington Post columnist Max Boot somehow concludes that "this is on Biden, and it will leave an indelible stain on his presidency."

But some rational thought has managed to prevail, thankfully.

Secretary of State Antony Blinken told CNN yesterday that "the idea that the status quo could have been maintained by keeping our forces there I think is simply wrong."

"After 20 years of U.S. effort, the loss of 2,448 soldiers and a trillion spent, Afghanistan was left with a corrupt government and an ineffectual military," tweeted Sen. Bernie Sanders (I–Vt.). "At this moment, we must do everything we can to evacuate our allies and open our doors to refugees."

One empty, Respectable Centrist line of commentary has been to say that the U.S. leaving is the right decision but that President Joe Biden—who has pushed back by months the withdrawal deadline former President Donald Trump negotiated—was somehow too hasty. It's unclear what some folks advocating this sort of mushy middle ground think could have been done to soften the blow of U.S. withdrawal.

Others suggest that the fault lies in waiting too long to evacuate.

"The rapid reconquest of the capital, Kabul, by the Taliban after two decades of a staggeringly expensive, bloody effort to establish a secular government with functioning security forces in Afghanistan is, above all, unutterably tragic," writes The New York Times editorial board, in a sentiment almost no one can deny. And "the Biden administration was right to bring the war to a close. Yet there was no need for it to end in such chaos, with so little forethought for all those who sacrificed so much in the hopes of a better Afghanistan."

USA Today contributor Daniel DePetris waves away criticisms that the pro-withdrawal crowd was somehow unaware that what's now happening would happen or could've taken steps to prevent it.

"Those who believe a full and complete U.S. troop withdrawal is the best course of action understood quite well what could happen on the ground once the U.S. military left. Removing the best fighting force on the planet from a civil war will inevitably have some impact on the fighting," he writes. But "from the standpoint of U.S. national security interests, which party was winning or losing Afghanistan's civil war at any given time is subsumed by a far more important consideration: after 20 years of backstopping the Afghan government and paying for the Afghan security forces, extending the U.S. troop presence in the country was unlikely to make much of a difference in the war."

This may be "hard to accept" for many, he adds. But it is the reality.

Perhaps worse than the mush-mouthed centrist critics is the pure political opportunism this has spawned in some corners, with partisans desperate to blame either Biden or Trump for what's happening now in Afghanistan.

The Republican Party, which bragged about Trump's negotiations with the Taliban, removed that portion from its website.

"The catastrophe is 100% on @JoeBiden. It would not have happened if Trump had been re-elected," claimed right-wing radio host Hugh Hewitt.

Biden and Trump themselves have even blamed each other.

Biden "ran out of Afghanistan instead of following the plan our Administration left for him," alleged Trump. "This is complete failure through weakness, incompetence, and total strategic incoherence."

Biden said it was Trump leaving the Taliban "in the strongest position militarily since 2001" that was responsible for current events.

But the Biden administration seems to remain committed to withdrawal, and to evacuating at least some Afghan refugees, even as the government sends in more American troops to help with evacuation efforts.

"When I became President, I faced a choice — follow through on the deal, with a brief extension to get our forces and our allies' forces out safely, or ramp up our presence and send more American troops to fight once again in another country's civil conflict," the president said on Saturday, promising not to pass on the war in Afghanistan to a fifth U.S. president.

"One more year, or five more years, of U.S. military presence would not have made a difference if the Afghan military cannot or will not hold its own country. And an endless American presence in the middle of another country's civil conflict was not acceptable to me," Biden said.

"Over the next 48 hours, we will have expanded our security presence to nearly 6,000 troops, with a mission focused solely on facilitating" the removal of U.S. personnel and Afghan allies from the area, the Department of State and Department of Defense said in a statement.

"We will accelerate the evacuation of thousands of Afghans eligible for U.S. Special Immigrant Visas, nearly 2,000 of whom have already arrived in the United States over the past two weeks," it continued. "For all categories, Afghans who have cleared security screening will continue to be transferred directly to the United States."


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  1. …a lot of Americans pretending like it’s not in spite—or because—of 20 years of U.S. occupation that this “sudden fall” is happening and that somehow, if we just stay a little longer, we can turn the situation around.

    I’m beginning to suspect it might not be the land as much as the people who could be the problem.

    1. Afghanistan is lines drawn on paper by the British a hundred odd years ago. Other than being contained inside the lines, the people of the country don’t have much in common. So there isn’t any sense of nationality or loyalty to an Afghanistan government. Most people don’t care. An army of such people isn’t very effective, which is why they fell so fast.

      1. That’s nonsense. Afghanistan is not Iraq. It is hugely multi-ethnic and tribal – but that has never really been the source of serious civil war type conflict.

        Afghanistan’s problem is that its institutions have been destroyed since 1980 and it has been at war – mostly driven by outsiders – since then. We completely failed to even try to understand the country and instead pulled in exiles to ‘run’ the place. And it was utterly corrupt

        1. Dude, the entire region is just lines draws by the Brits without any thought as to the people who live there. From what I’ve seen they can only be ruled by corrupt strongmen or monarchies, because the people only unify with a gun to their back.

          1. Dude – Britain never ruled Afghanistan. They were defeated twice – once with the entire army being slaughtered. And Afghanistan has been around as a multiethnic crossroads since long before Alexander the Great.

            ‘Unify’ is exactly what FAILS in Afghanistan – unless/until someone outside tries to conquer/occupy. What works is massive decentralization – even if that sometimes devolves to local warlords.

            1. sarc gets his ass handed to him by a jeffy after doubling down on lefty history-ignorant stupidity. My life is complete.

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              2. Then your life is very, very sad.

                1. At least he isn’t a broken drunk leftist shill. Not like you.

                  1. I keep challenging people to show just one comment of mine where I support leftists, and nobody can find one. Not a one. Sure I’m not a Republican and I was no fan of Trump, but I’m also not a Democrat and am no fan of Biden. Only a retard would interpret that to mean I’m a leftist. Which you do. So….

                    1. Everyone thinks that you’re a leftist because you continually run cover for the far-left.
                      You also troll people like Ken, who might favor a party but try to be fair and definitely are not just shilling.

                    2. I keep challenging people

                      LOL! You grossly over-estimate your abilities.

                2. Project much sarc?
                  Just another day of your drunk ass saying historically ignorant shit and then getting called on it.,

          2. Or a gun to their face. The longest period without a civil war or a coup in the last 50 years was during the Soviet-Afghan War, when all the disparate tribes and warlords were united in opposition to the Russians

        2. Uh, you might be missing the fact that most people in that area are fundamentalist, in religion and social philosophy, truly tribal down to the clan level, and are committed to an extreme honor society ethic.

          But I am sure there are some nice people.

          1. And both 5he government and the Taliban are practitioners oc “The Religion of Peace and Compassion” (TM) , so I’m thinking they were playing “good cop/bad cop” with the U.S. the whole time. What else could explain how easily the government folded?

        3. Please tell us, oh JFree…how does the overthrow of Zahir Shah then the overthrow of Daoud then the overthrow of Taraki then the overthrow of Amin equate with no “serious civil war type conflict”?

          In fact, when the Soviets invaded, it was at the behest of one of the many factions that were involved in, GASP, a civil war-type conflict.

          Afghanistan is just a region. It is a region with tribes that have been fighting it out for centuries. Sometimes those tribes had one of 3 or 4 cities under their control long enough to be recognized internationally, but their rule would be overthrown soon enough.

          The idea that there were any “institutions” prior to the 80s is just the culmination of a bunch of Noble Savage, Western Self Guilt.

          1. equate with no “serious civil war type conflict”?

            The first was a bloodless coup. A fight over who gets to sit in a palace and wave their hands around. The last three were all part of the Soviet attempt to turn Afghanistan into a puppet state. the only ‘civil war’ was internal to the Communist Party of Afghanistan. And the Soviet failure to turn Afghanistan into a centralized puppet state is what led to them invading instead.

            1. You are hilarious. I can almost see you doing your mad searches through wikipedia. But to be clear, you are now stating that you were wrong when you said:

              “Afghanistan’s problem that its institutions have been destroyed since 1980 and it has been at war – mostly driven by outsiders – since then.”

              All that conflict occurred prior to 1980. There were no institutions- and any that existed, such as their highways, was built by Outsiders. The West’s involvement in that region’s conflicts are unremarkable, as outsiders have been involving themselves in the region since the Silk Road.

              Just admit it- you tried to jump in with your snooty “I’m a worldly liberal who appreciates the complexities of the Orient” and made a fool of yourself. Sarc’s (and everyone’s) point remains- the region is a collection of loose tribes that have been beating themselves over the heads with sticks since the dawn of civilization. They weren’t free of civil strife before White Man came- Strife has been the default condition there for centuries.

              1. ” There were no institutions- and any that existed, such as their highways, was built by Outsiders.”

                Should read: “There was no long history of national institutions, and any that existed (such as the highway system) were built by outsiders.

                1. And don’t conflate ‘institutions’ with ‘national institutions’. I said decentralized and that’s exactly what I mean. The jirga has been around forever and is/isn’t ‘national’.

              2. All that conflict occurred prior to 1980.

                Oh FFS. THREE of those occurred in the year before the soviets invaded. And I repeat – the conflict was inside the Communist Party. Not a civil war.

                That area is not ‘just an area’. It was the major overland trade crossroads connecting India, lower Indus, Hormuz/Ocean, Syria/Mediterranean, Russian steppes, and China. That is why foreigners tried to invade/occupy. It is why it is multi-ethnic. And it is why internal ethnic/tribal war is NOT the way those living there have ever really resolved anything. War and trade caravans don’t go together.

                Hell it is a major reason why the Taliban is in control so fast. The Taliban have 20 years experience fighting the foreign occupier. The ANA spent 20 years drawing a paycheck from the foreigner. If they were truly into fighting each other based on a long history of that – then this would have been their chance to do so while heavily armed.

                1. Yes, please try to lecture me some more on the history of the region. After being wrong once before, I would love to hear more of your sage wisdom. Can you tell me how the fucking peasant revolts in the 40’s weren’t an example of “internal war”? How far do we need to go back seeing war after war after war before you’ll accept that it isn’t a nation.

                  Look, man- Sarc said the region wasn’t a real country, just a collection of tribes grouped inside arbitrary lines called a “nation”. You are the one who said that was nonsense, and suggested that there was some sort of Nation there whose institutions were destroyed in the 80’s. And you can get all your high brow, Westerner Self Loathing silliness that you want, but it isn’t true.

                  The fact is, the only time there was ever a “nation” in this region, was when an outside power came in and conquered it and installed some sort of leader. Periodically, those leaders would be supplanted by another great power. Less frequently, some tribes would arrange a tentative alliance and make enough trouble that the great power would leave. And then those small factions would devolve to fighting again until some other great power would move in and declare a kingdom.

                  It has been that way since at least Alexander.

                  It was that way all through the Islamic conquest and the middle ages.

                  It was that way during the era of colonialism.

                  It was that way in the 1900s up through the soviet invasion. And when the Soviets left, the country remained the same- a bunch of warlords fighting brutal wars with each other and the Taliban.

                  And it will be that way tomorrow. There is no nation of Afghanistan, just a region filled with tribes led by ruthless leaders who think they can be top dog and get some sweet narco-bucks.

                  1. Can you tell me how the fucking peasant revolts in the 40’s weren’t an example of “internal war”?

                    Rebellion against a monarch/etc who is trying to centralize power does not equal tribal civil war. I said they are tribal. So is 3/4 of the world. I said they want decentralization.

                    But at least I understand a bit why we fail so often. The world ain’t just Jeffersonian democracy or failed state – but you apparently think so.

                    1. “Monarch Etc” is just another term for the “Tribe” that currently has power. It was literally a bunch of tribes fighting the currently ruling tribe. It was a multi year civil war basically the same as has been happening in afghanistan forever.

                      And spare me the “you apparently think so” claptrap. I never called that place a failed nation. I said there never was a nation. You are the one who peddled some myth about an ethnically diverse nation with “institutions” that seemed to get along before the evil Soviet-American war came and corrupted them. It was utter hogwash.

                  2. “Yes, please try to lecture me some more on the history of the region. After being wrong once before, I would love to hear more of your sage wisdom. Can you tell me how the fucking peasant revolts in the 40’s weren’t an example of “internal war”?”

                    Weren’t you just lecturing me and, who was it SQRLSY?, on our manners.

                    1. I warned you, and SQRSLY off of needless baiting. Specifically diverting from the actual discussion.

                      In the case above, I was directly participating in the argument around what could happen in Afghanistan. JFree (incorrectly) was the one to start disagreeing with Sarc. I merely pointed out that he was wrong- and when he doubled down- I admit that I lost my temper a bit. Sorry if I offended you.

                      But I would rather people argue about the specific issues, even rudely, as opposed to the baiting that SQRSLY is engaged in lately.

                    2. No offense taken. The conversations today are quite interesting. I, as someone who doesn’t know that much about Afghanistan, don’t have much to say.

                      I often do take childish pleasure lately in poking Ken, and my only defense is I’m drawn to it by his ego and pretentiousness about being some kind of master of logical thinking.

                      What you have missed is that I often make substantial refutations of Ken’s arguments.

          2. Also, the Commies were divided between Parchami and Khalq factions. Theirs was NOT a peaceful disagreement.

      2. So zero fault on biden? I mean biden pushed an order that disallowed foreign contractors to work on the afghan air force vehicles they are largely useless now. But zero percent Bidens fault right? Going by your comment in the other thread too.

        1. I don’t think the fall of Afghanistan can be pinned on Biden. An army whose leaders just switched sides over night would have never made it. In fact, if that air force would be running, they’d be taliban airplanes now- which is probably why the Biden administration declined to repair them.

          On the other hand, any Americans dying because they got caught in country this week is pretty much on him. They were quite clearly not expecting this to fall over so quickly, and the inability to predict that is completely their fault.

          1. Yeah, the actual collapse of this government was inevitable, no matter when we pulled out. That in itself not Biden’s fault, or at least the fault of his handlers. This clusterfuck evacuation is certainly all them, though, especially when they’ve known since February 2020 that there was a withdrawal agreement in place.

            1. ^^^^^ Yep

          2. I didn’t say all. I asked if Sarcasmic could blame 1% on him. He has done nothing but deflect for 2 threads now.

          3. The Taliban was always going to take over once the US left because they had reach and organization that no other factions had, and were back by Pakistan (and possibly China).
            US invasion of Afghanistan was 1 year of punitive strikes/ops, then 19 years of corruption and embezzlement.

            What Biden can be blamed for is doing nothing to deter/delay Taliban advance, pulling troops out before all civilians were evaluated, leaving billions in weapons, equipment, and vehicles available to be taken, lying to American people that Kabul wouldn’t fall, and now hiding as the most embarrassing scenes of US foreign policy failure ever unfold for all the world to see. Oh, and also for focusing the state department and embassy in Kabul on woke messaging.

            1. Embarassing or not (and it is), I am glad to be out of there. When the mission changed 19 years ago, it was time to leave.

              The original mission I remember was killing the bastards who attacked us, and those who harbored them. Then it changed to nation building. What a mistake.

              1. The original mission I remember was killing the bastards who attacked us, and those who harbored them. Then it changed to nation building. What a mistake.

                It’s been an absolute scream watching Bush Republicans mainline copium and marinate in the sunk-cost fallacy. “Our allies won’t trust us! Honor demands that we stay there!”

                Fuck off. This is exactly why Trump snatched their party out of their venal, feckless hands–because they give more of a shit about some goat herders halfway around the world than they do the people living in their own country.

              2. 2 weeks to flatten the curve

          4. The vast majority of Americans (including most Democrats) will correctly blame the rapid collapse of Afghanistan’s government on Biden and his multiple mask wearing woke top general (who recently claimed racism by whites is the greatest threat facing America).

            Even TDS suffering Max Boot understands this (and more Americans will in coming days as horrifying videos and news stories come out of Afghanistan).

            ‘Washington Post columnist Max Boot somehow concludes that “this is on Biden, and it will leave an indelible stain on his presidency.”‘

            1. “Even TDS suffering Max Boot understands this (and more Americans will in coming days as horrifying videos and news stories come out of Afghanistan)”

              Don’t worry. The Dems will offer a nice distraction to discuss, and the media will be happy to oblige.

            2. Whether or not the majority of Americans blame Biden for this shitshow will not matter in a year’s time just before the midterms, because unless the Taliban are actively launching or supporting terrorist actions, Fall Of Saigon II will be replaced by whatever controversy/crisis/outrage is on the minds of the voters at that time.

              1. Does anyone think the fall of Saigon is what sunk Ford in 76? Thought not….

          5. I would say the evacuation shitstorm is 100% Biden. No destruction of military equipment. Not getting US citizens out first.

            Also, Biden is a weak, weak man and they completely recognize that.

      3. The “lines drawn 100 years ago” s probably the mideast following WW I, although they ad drawn other similar lines earlier too. But Afghanistan? No, those were much earlier, along with India+Pakistan, Kashmir, etc, and the India-Pakistan divide much later. The Russian Tsars probably did just as much to draw phony lines in the sand from the north, and their push into the region provided the British yet another excuse to push in from the south.

        It’s all lines in the sand, and over several centuries at least.

        1. I think the line in question is the Durand Line, which was first drawn in 1893 and later amended in 1919. It basically defines the southern border of Afghanistan with Pakistan. Additionally, it divides traditional Pashtun areas in half, which arguably is the source of the current madness.

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Durand_Line

          1. Thanks for the detail. All I knew is that in general, territorial lines drawn by the colonial powers had little to do with the natives. I doubt there’s a single international border in all of Africa that was informed by any Africans, the Mideast is probably a little better, and the central Asian -stans are remnants of long-lost kingdoms and feuds. Europe’s borders at least had the participation of the inhabitants, but only over centuries of kingly warfare. South American is probably as bad as Africa, North America is pretty decent only if you ignore the natives, and Asia may have the most “honest” borders of all, as far as languages and cultures, if you ignore the Chinese power-mongering of the last few decades.

      4. Actually this one isn’t Britain’s fault. Afghanistan started as a breakaway emirate from the Persian empire. In the 19th century Britain and Russia fought for influence and intervened militarily several times but it was never formally brought under British rule.

    2. Hey, at least in Afghanistan 20 years we outlasted those cut-and-runner Soviets.

        1. And we won the gold medal count, this year is shaping up brilliantly!

    3. You will never fix Afghanistan without removing all the Afghanis. All of them. Short of total unconditional genocide it will remain a flat dry spot in the middle of Asia that rich and/or smart people escape from and poor and/or stupid people remain trapped in. Until it becomes a place that rich and/or smart people want to go to it will never get better. You could say “Well, what if some enterprising Afghanis try to make it better?” and in theory (and only theory) that possibility exists. The reality is though that enterprising Afghanis usually prefer to go somewhere less awful and become enterprising Americans or enterprising Germans.

      1. So, just another fly-over country?

      2. Thought “Afghani” was the currency, and “Afghan” denoted an inhabitant of Afghanistan? Not a big deal.

        Your beef is properly with the Pashtun though, and they don’t all live in Afghanistan. Hazaras, Tadjiks, Uzbeks, Baluchis: all tribal, some more or less pissy on the whole than others, but Pashtuns are the stereotypically ‘four boilermakers in and looking to fight everyone in the bar,’ guys in that region. It’d be interesting to hear Swissy’s take on these events. I can’t imagine he’d be surprised. Or John’,s for that matter.

        You weren’t changing Afghanistan without, in the words of more than a few OEF vets, killing all of the men above seven years old, and half of the women. I said, back in 2004 or so, that nation building wasn’t going to work without invading Pakistan, and killing, or otherwise pacifying, about a million and a half Pashtun. Which wasn’t going to happen.

        You could though, go grab the hundred, hundred-fifty AQ types you had a problem with, kill everyone in the way, and go home. That probably was possible. No Imperial D.C. with that option though, and likely no movement for OIF either.

        Lot of people in and around D.C. got rich though, this way, and really, isn’t that the point?

        1. I don’t really concern myself with which crab in the bucket is doing the most pulling because in the end, it doesn’t matter. Half of the crab bucket problem isn’t just the propensity of some crabs to pull others down but the propensity of the other crabs to being pulled down. It sounds a little cruel to think about humans that way, and on some level… it is. No one should wish others to rot in misery simply because they can’t escape from evil, but what can you do? Spend another trillion dollars and another twenty years? I wish the Afghan (thank you for the correction) people the best but no amount of soldiers or NGOs or helicopter money or drone strikes will transmogrify the crabs, either the pullers or the pulled, into something more.

        2. “Lot of people in and around D.C. got rich though, this way, and really, isn’t that the point?”

          Not just that, a lot of kids coming out of school made an entire 20 year career out of that region. They went from nobodies to VIPs because they knew what tribal grievance Team A had against Team B. And now they will go to think tanks in DC where they can stroke their beards and discuss how important it is to stay engaged with the goat herders and fanatics…

      3. You will never fix Afghanistan without removing all the Afghanis. All of them.

        This is how the Romans solved the second Jewish Revolt in the 130s. Henceforth it became ILLEGAL for a Jew to be inside the borders of the Roman province of Judea, and the Romans renamed the area Syria Palestine.

        Long term consequences ensued…

        1. Yeah, the only safe bet is to kill all humans.

    4. Is it safe to call it a shithole country again? Not referring to the land, of course, but, respectfully, to the people.

    5. Hey watch below while a bunch of neocons who claim they’re for limited government make racist arguments about how the Afghan people just suck. Very illuminating.

      1. Are people bringing race into it?

        1. Sure. AS just did.

      2. No, societies organized as warring tribes suck, whatever race they happen to be.

        1. “Warring tribes”. Ah the reek of Western arrogance and racism.

          1. Whether you like it or not, some cultures just plain suck. Feudal monarchies, extreme theocracies, tribal honor societies, and socialists, just to name a few.

            1. Is American Social1st arguing that Islamofascism, woman-hating, goat-fucking, and child molesting are all matters of “race?”

          2. Ah, the reek of western self loathing.

            “OMG, won’t someone please bring race into the discussion so I can be offended? Fuck it, I’ll do it myself!”

            You’re pathetic.

            1. He’s trying to deflect from the disastrous results of Biden’s Afghanistan policy. Short of surrendering, I’m not sure this could have been botched much worse.

          3. No, you fucking retard, some societies are organized that way and it doesn’t work out well when they get modern weapons and try to interact with the modern world. Nothing to do with race, dimwit.

  2. …Washington Post columnist Max Boot somehow concludes that “this is on Biden, and it will leave an indelible stain on his presidency.

    The buck stops with the previous or next president?

    1. Trump got us out of Afghanistan. The Biden regime put us back into Afghanistan and then let the Taliban kick us out through (presumably) sheer incompetence. But yes, this is totally not Biden’s fault at all.

      1. Nothing is Dementia Joe’s fault; he doesn’t even know what’s going on. It is his administration’s fault, though.

      2. Trump did not get us out of Afghanistan. Under his agreement with the Afghanis, he was not going to have troops out until April of 2001.

        (I still think it was good that he was getting troops out, but one cannot deny that the job was incomplete when he left office)

        1. You’re right. A better way to summarize it would be that Trump was getting us out of Afghanistan and the Biden regime put a stop to that and got us back in, only to fuck it all up.

        2. Trump did not get us out of Afghanistan. Under his agreement with the Afghanis, he was not going to have troops out until April of 2001.

          Wow, that’s really ahead of schedule! So Trump had a time-travelling Delorean? 😉

          Sorry, I couldn’t resist. Yes, if the actual date I’m thinking of is correct, you are right.

          1. D’OH! Yes I meant 2021

        3. Trump was expecting to be reelected and got more votes than any other incumbent in history. The Taliban seemed willing to wait it out until Biden changed the timeline. Optics being what they are Biden owns this one for better or worse. The shitshow was inevitable but we might have had a more orderly withdrawal before the shit hit the fan.

      3. Not on Biden at all. He was on vacation at Camp David.

    2. Starts with Bush, ends with … Harris? DeSantis? Someone will be picking up the pieces for a while.

      Arguably, some made it worse than other, but the sum total is just consequence of stupidity and hubris, and all around depressing.

      1. We should totally let them run our health care.

        1. Sounds good to me!

        2. And tell us what paperwork we need to go to a restaurant. And what we are allowed to post on social media.

      2. Why would we give a shit at this point? Once we are out, the media will become significantly uncurious about what is going on, just as they were about Libya and Syria and Somalia and every other shit hole that mattered only as long as American blood could be put on some politician’s hands.

    3. All the blame should be on the mush head Bush. He failed to kill Osama and decided to bomb and bribe the assholes until they liked us. The failure to leave is shared with Obama who should have made plans when Osama was liquidated.

      1. Dropping bombs or writing checks. That’s the sum total of America’s foreign policy toolbox.

      2. I will say this, though: While there are a string of administrations with their dickprints all over this fiasco, Biden is currently president. Don’t campaign for the job if you don’t want it.

        1. Senator Biden voted for it and was VP for eight years of it. He owns this as much as anyone and more than most.

  3. After 20 years of U.S. effort, the loss of 2,448 soldiers and a trillion spent, Afghanistan was left with a corrupt government and an ineffectual military…

    But a lot of kickass US military equipment, which is btw verboten for actual Americans to possess back home.

    1. Except for police departments………

  4. Why is there no talk about Pakistan backing up the Taliban?

    1. Racist.

    2. China and Russia didn’t leave yet. China is salivating at the minerals.

      1. Don’t worry, China doesn’t have the aversion to genocide that the US has. So when China wants more minerals they will have no problem killing all of the afghans to get them. LeBron and Cena will issue statements saying that the afghans are too ungrateful for the Chinese help

        1. The Chinese may be willing to shoot people, but they won’t have to. They’ll pay the warlords off for access to the minerals and any warlord who doesn’t hold up his end, will be shot.

          1. And any improvement in the lives of the people will be credited to the Taliban.

    3. The new leader of Afghanistan was in a Pakistani prison (at the behest of Obama) until Trump had him sprung a couple of years ago as the man to deal with because he isn’t a puppet of the ISI.

      1. Guantanamo is in Pakistan?

        1. But he wasn’t in Guantanamo, you idiot drunk. He was in a Pakistani prison.

          1. he said he was in Guantanamo for 8 years.

    4. There is not any talk about what Afghanistan was before we invaded which was apparently only for shits and giggles, by ENB’s accoun.

    5. Especially ISI—Pakistan’s assholish military intelligence who played a large role in creating the Taliban in the first place.

  5. The Republican Party, which bragged about Trump’s negotiations with the Taliban, removed that portion from its website.

    Republicans unpounce.

    1. Trump had planned a gradual drawdown ending by May 1. Biden had to change that, for reasons, so we could call it Biden’s withdrawal, and get credit.

      The Taliban don’t fight between early October and late April. They go home to their villages for the winter, since it is too hard to operate in the mountains in the snow. They start massing after the thaw, and after the opium is planted, and fight hard from May thru September.

      So Trump had us slowly and methodically pulling our stuff out all winter and early Spring while the Taliban were hibernating, giving the Afghans a fighting chance to inherit a stable situation.

      Biden changed the deadline from May 1 to September 11, which was the single most idiotic decision in US military history. First, because it was have us withdrawing during fighting season. Second, it was like he was running PR for the Taliban, and not us. Thirdly, we had negotiated a cease-fire with the Taliban, which held for over a year, to allow for power sharing negotiations in Afghanistan, and our orderly withdrawal. We wound up breaking the deal first. Once it was pointed out just how idiotic this 9/11 deadline was, he moved it up to August. Which led to a scramble to get out, us leaving more equipment behind, or not destroying it, and us actually arming the Taliban.

      Whether you agree with the decision to invade Afghanistan or not, and 95% of Americans agreed in September 2001, and whether you wanted us to withdraw 15 years ago, 10 years ago, 5 years ago, or wanted us to stay indefinitely and use the giant bases at Kandahar and Mazar I Sharif to keep bombing the Taliban when they encroached on cities, and to have forward operating bases against China and any other regional threats – there are reasonable arguments that can be made for any and all of that – in no way can anyone claim with a straight face that Biden handled the withdrawal well. Just like the Mexico border. It is an unmitigated clusterfvck of biblical proportions brought about by stupidity and trying to bolster the narrative of the dumbest people in his party, leading to all too predictable consequences.

      1. I was about to express shock that Jeff posted something I so completely agree with, but then realized I misread the name.

        1. Logic instead of sophistry was the give away.

      2. iden changed the deadline from May 1 to September 11, which was the single most idiotic decision in US military history. First, because it was have us withdrawing during fighting season. Second, it was like he was running PR for the Taliban, and not us. Thirdly, we had negotiated a cease-fire with the Taliban, which held for over a year, to allow for power sharing negotiations in Afghanistan, and our orderly withdrawal. We wound up breaking the deal first. Once it was pointed out just how idiotic this 9/11 deadline was, he moved it up to August. Which led to a scramble to get out, us leaving more equipment behind, or not destroying it, and us actually arming the Taliban.

        This can’t be emphasized enough, and I’ve brought it up here and at other blogs dominated by 2004-era conservatives.

        The Taliban kept their end of the bargain. We did not. And when they launched their offensive on May 2nd, what did we get from our “betters” in the DC/Coastal political/media class? “Holy shit, how on earth is this happening?”

        I’ll say this: I’m not happy about our country being humiliated like this. It’s fucking embarrassing to know that I live in a nation led by feckless, infantile, Me Generation/Gen-X morons who’ve done their level best to degrade our history and sense of civic nationalism in favor of cultural Marxism and world government fetishism. I am happy, however, that the class of people who are responsible for all this are crying the blues about it and don’t have the self-awareness to realize that this fuckup is all on them.

        In a nation that had any balls, these people would all be fired, their cancerous ideology confined to the dustbin of history, and they’d have to make their living at McDonald’s. But that’s not what’s going to happen. This massive security state that was established in the wake of 9/11 and just got rope-a-doped into submission by the Taliban, is going to need a new mission to try and restore its reputation. And that mission is going to be focused squarely on us.

        1. Obama should have withdrawn US forces after Bin Laden was killed.

          1. I said that back in 2011 during one of my deployments, but knew damn well we weren’t going anywhere. Even the O-6 I worked with at the time made a sarcastic joke about it, going “woo hoo, can we go home now?”

        2. Well it is people with your ideology that constitute a domestic threat. Not the Taliban. Just look at the number of people killed over the last 10 years by right-wing violence. Look at the number of commenters here calling for civil war. Now, I give you the benefit of the doubt and probably believe that the vast majority of you are cosplaying fucking morons, but not all. We’ve seen what you do when you lose. It a’int pretty.

          1. Pay your mortgage, shithead.

            We’ve seen what you do when you lose. It a’int pretty.

            Setting aside the fact that you’re not inherently worth destroying, I’m having a lot more fun watching your blue cities devolve into crime-ridden, violent shitholes while I sit in my safe, high-trust, low-crime red voting area. The only thing you have to worry about is whether you and your ofay wife decide to import your dysfunction outside said shithole. Just getting pantsed by a biker and getting thrown out of town like those shitheads in Fort Collins last summer will be the least of your worries in that case.

            1. LOL… you seem a lot unhappier living where you do then where I live. Let me know when the civil war is going to start so I can a.) laugh at you guys and b.) call the police. I’m not a defund the police guy. We need them.

              1. LOL, not at all. I can pay my mortgage, after all.

                Let me know when the civil war is going to start so I can a.) laugh at you guys and b.) call the police.

                Why would I even want to invade or occupy your blue-voting shithole? It’s a lot easier to sit back and laugh while some POCs play the Knockout Game with you and your wife.

              2. I have absolutely no problem believing that you are very happy to live in a crime-ridden blue shithole. Cockroaches will tell you they are genuinely happy to live in the sewers.

          2. Don’t attack us, try to take our stuff, or tell us how to live, and we’re no threat to you.
            But you’re currently doing all those things, and if you do them in my presence, I’ll obliterate you.

            1. Misspoke.
              Tell us how to live all you want, just just don’t try to make us live that way.
              You’re in for a rude awakening when your bubble pops, and for the first time you’re faced with a world that includes consequences.

              1. “You’re in for a rude awakening when your bubble pops, and for the first time you’re faced with a world.” So Woke is rude?

            2. Amen.

          3. Just look at the number of people killed over the last 10 years by right-wing violence.

            How many is that? I’m having a hard time thinking of any really.

        3. Red, I agree with you.

        4. Yep, DHS is already laying the groundwork. Anyone opposed to government policies for any reason is a terrorist.

      3. Wow. I finally agree with something posted by Jeff.

        1. Oops. Wrong Jeff.

        2. Time for another username change, since that one was too close to the source.

          Any ideas?

            1. receptivist

      4. The US couldn’t leave until after June as it had unfinished business.

        https://twitter.com/USEmbassyKabul/status/1400060130243362816

        1. We’re GREAT at winning hearts and minds.

          Even woke companies know where to cut that shit out.

      5. Meh- I don’t think there is any doubt that when the Fight’n Season started, the Taliban would be waltzing in to essentially the exact same effect. The fact that these military leaders just welcomed the Taliban into their cities without a single shot fired says that they had likely been on the take since last year when it was clear that Trump was going to leave.

        Seriously, put yourself in one of these Afghani leaders’ positions. The only reason you aren’t in a forever civil war (i.e. the status quo circa 2000) is that the US troops would rain down hell on any regular fighting forces. As soon as they were gone, what were you going to do? Continue to hold your northern city for some government in Kabul that you’ve seen once, that sends you no money? All while waiting for the day when a suicide bomber walks into your office? Of course not, you are going to cut a deal with the Taliban. This was always going to happen.

        But Biden should own up to the cost of his delay. By failing to pull out before fighting season began, he has left american personnel and materials behind for the Taliban and that is a complete disgrace on top of the embarrassment of seeing what utterly inept charlatans were left after 20 years of “government building”.

      6. Perhaps the fall of Afghanistan was inevitable, what ever the Trump Adminstration’s original plan was. Biden did add his own unique brand of boneheadedness to his version of it.

      7. Very well said.

  6. Hey, Reason gets results! Now, let us see if they get their deepest wish: cheap opium under new management. It’s not like they’ll get an in crease in liberty or freedom out it.

    1. Since when has Reason cared about liberty or freedom?

      1. Recently, I have come to understand not lately.

      2. Before May 2015, there were some gestures in that direction.

      3. They were mean to Trump, so never.

        1. So broken.

          Youre free to criticize the democrats any day now you said you would last November. They are in power. Instead you rage at trump and deflect from any story negative of Biden.

        2. No one can remain libertarian when faced with mean tweets.

    2. I say we here in the U.S. should be growing the opium, genetically modified to kill pain without killing people, and spliced with the kudzu growth gene to make it as plentiful and cheap as candy!

      Then make it available worldwide and thereby destroy Afghanistan’s opium market and every damn last organized crime cartel that deals in the stuff! Then we get a peaceful but bighly effective comeuppance over our enemies, the infirm and hurting get their pain relief, without turning into criminals, and our streets are at peace!

      Now that’s a real plan to “Make America Great Again!”

    3. Actually I remember when I first discovered Reason in the mid-80s they did an article on hashish being sold by the mujahadeen fighting the Soviet invaders. Some was being sold domestically with a “Smoke Russia Out” slogan

  7. One more year, or five more years, of U.S. military presence would not have made a difference if the Afghan military cannot or will not hold its own country.

    Someone should have thought to train them while we were there.

    1. Someone should have thought of this when they decided to renege on the Afghanistan withdrawal deal because the Afghan forces were so well trained and equipped.

    2. I’m to understand, their Diversity / Equity / Inclusion training was all up to date.

      1. Pelosi statement was mesmerizing. It was all about the progress lost by afghani women. Nothing else.

        1. Give Nancy a break. She still has to decide how to sell a police state as a means of promoting civil rights.

    3. That is the biggest clusterfuck of the US foreign policy establishment since Vietnam. Bigger actually since the Taliban ain’t remotely the same opponent as the NVA and VietCong.

      Good article on the failure

      1. When did the NVA or vietcong attack the US mainland?

        1. When did the Taliban?

            1. They even offered them practice on how to do an attack on the US mainland. JFree seems to be ignorant of the fact.

              https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2011/9/11/taliban-offered-bin-laden-trial-before-9

              1. Do you even understand what that article says?

            2. I’m very aware of that. But there was afaik not a single Afghan in alqaeda (or more recently ISIS).

              Meaning – that our failure started on day one. With the failure to understand the difference between Afghanistan as the enemy and Afghanistan as the battleground. And our military and foreign policy establishment are totally incapable of really getting that

              1. The Taliban were aiders and abetters of Al-Qaeda both before and after the fact of 9/11, so the problem wasn’t the invasion of Afghanistan.

                The problem was not annihilating both Taliban and Al-Qaeda, then getting the Hell out, no rebuilding, no “winning hearts and minds,” no “nation-building.”

                1. Yes we could have done it with conventional weapons, but that would have taken years and cost millions of lives. No, I agree we had to go all out. That situation absolutely required a really futile and stupid gesture be done on somebody’s part.

  8. 10 AM Monday morning Eastern time, and our so-called “president” astonishingly is still cowering and hiding in a secluded cabin at Camp David.

    He’s finished. His dwindling credibility is gone, and it won’t come back from this. To my amazement even CNN has been occasionally showing pieces of his July 8 press conference shown here:

    https://twitter.com/JerryDunleavy/status/1426729833296506888?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

    Obama had it right:

    “Don’t underestimate Hoe’s ability to fuck things up.”
    -Barack Obama

    1. I dont remember BO bashing Harris.

      1. He’s waiting for his chance to fuck her.

        1. He’s more interested in Brown,Willy.

    2. https://twitter.com/iowahawkblog/status/1427243516934172684

      Frankly, if I’m a Biden advisor I’m telling him to ignore the whole thing and hope it all blows over. There is literally nothing he can say at this point that won’t be another messaging disaster.

      1. The only way this blows over is if something bigger takes its place. He’s going to have to face it sooner or later.

        1. Isn’t it about time for hurricane season to start kicking into gear? Seems like an excellent time for a pivot to climate.

          Also, we’re still at least a week from the current COVID peak. So many potential distractions!

          1. Shark week.

            1. If only there were a large gathering of predominantly R voters that took place in a Red State that we could focus on…

              1. I think you mean insurrectionists.

              1. That’s for our upcoming California recall…

              2. Now that’s a superspreader.

        2. “The only way this blows over is if something bigger takes its place.”

          This. I’m not excited to learn what it’ll be, either.

          1. doesnt have to be ‘bigger’ – just ‘something’ to offer a fig leaf to the press so they can memory hole this debacle in aide of the party

    3. When the Bay of Pigs went down, Kennedy immediately held a presser and, despite the plans for the operation having been crafted by some of Ike’s people, took hard questions and said, “this is on me, because I’m the guy in charge.” That drug-addicted poonhound showed more backbone and accountability in that moment than any politician really has in the last 60 years, and it increased his credibility.

      We are a nation of peurile citizens led by corrupt, risk-averse assholes, and we’re getting EXACTLY what we deserve because these are the kinds of leaders we want.

      1. Government by McKinsey.

  9. AMERICA IS BACK!

    The 10 richest Americans have gained a combined $225 billion this year.

    If the mess in Afghanistan — which is 100% Drumpf’s fault by the way — results in more refugees entering the US, expect that number to go even higher. Recall the fundamental principle of Koch / Reason libertarian economics: more foreign-born labor means more wealth for billionaires.

    #LibertariansForBiden

    1. Always here to bring a little joy into our lives.

  10. “In a healthy country, our senior ranking military leader (Mark Milley) and our Secretary of Defense would resign in shame. In America, both will retire when they wish and then make millions sitting on defense contractor boards” – JD Vance

    He’s not wrong

    1. A lot more generals than just Milley should resign or be fired.

    2. The books General, don’t forget the books.

      1. Only if you’re All In.

    3. He’s not wrong at all. Milley and Austin have been neck-deep in this the entire last 20 years. Austin was the goddamn CENTCOM commander who got caught flat-footed by ISIS’ rapid breakout back in 2014, and was probably responsible for Obama initially calling them the “JV team.”

      A lot more generals than just Milley should resign or be fired.

      This too, but most of these guys are making fat bank as contract consultants, and won’t be held accountable for their own fuckups and fecklessness at all.

    4. They shouldn’t resign.

      They should be FIRED. Removed for sheer incompetence. Fire virtually every single general.

  11. https://twitter.com/TimRunsHisMouth/status/1427087631339376642?t=svTw6Khcx83qxIu0ESo89A&s=19

    Can’t wait for the White House “journalists” to ask Joe what flavor ice cream goes best with a Taliban takeover.

    1. Medication.

    2. Opium walnut ice cream.

      1. If it’s GMO to kill pain and not people and grown cheap a d legal in the U.S.A., Hell yeah!

  12. As citizens and lawmakers ponder competing approaches to the sex trade, focusing on the welfare of sex workers would allow for a rethinking of policies that have done damage for more than a century…

    Voting soccer moms, assemble!

    1. With knee pads and swim goggles?

    2. New York lawmakers are engaged in a “bloody ideological battle” over prostitution policy.

      Must be on the rag or virgins.

  13. Some 400 counties in America are now minority white.

    Minority business status; we have arrived!

    1. Skin color is the most important thing now.

      1. Even libertarians seem to think this.

      2. Does that mean CRT has to promote White values?

        1. Only in the specified counties.

    2. Well, at least where a minority will admit to being white.

  14. https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1427260046925340674?t=xgfsanQIbjOPyQLdf3KFPA&s=19

    The Biden Admin in now saying Kabul was unavoidable after last week telling us it was impossible

    1. Hell of a change from his confident press conference on July 8th, about the Afghan Army holding the country, isn’t it?

      What a difference a month can make.

  15. It’s all Reason’s fault because they were mean to Trump.

    1. Oh man, that’s so clever. I bet if you keep repeating it, it will get funnier each time.

      1. Yet you bow your head and say “Amen” when someone says the same thing and actually means it.

    2. Just a troll at this point. Hurry sarcasmic someone is criticizing Joe.

      1. “Leave poor old Joe alone. JUST LEAVE HIM ALONE!! He inherited all these problems, you can’t hold him responsible for anything!”
        -Sarcasmic (actually a sockpuppet for a Reason staff writer)

        1. Now be a dear and show just one comment of mine where I actually said such a thing. Oh, you can’t.

          1. Every post in this thread is you deflecting from the democrats. Are you really that unaware of your own actions?

      2. Doing what Bidettes do best.

    3. bootlicking the bootlickers is some funny shit

      1. No, watching you lick Trump’s boots was not funny. It was sad. And to see you still doing it….

        1. Reminder that red-diaper-doper-baby sarcasmic admitted to being a troll:

          sarcasmic
          August.12.2021 at 4:45 pm

          I so don’t care anymore. I only show up to watch the clowns duke it out, while tossing in this or that provocation. Bread and circuses. This is a circus.

          https://reason.com/2021/08/12/cdc-took-mistaken-data-on-delta-variant-transmissibility-from-a-new-york-times-infographic/#comment-9044167

    4. If Trump was in you can bet your bottom dollar Reason would be blaming him. Eventually they will be blaming him while they cheer for a peace prize for Old flack Joe.

  16. Okay, I guess I’ve been too hard on absentee Joe. Turns out he’s been trying to sneak into Martha’s Vineyard. He’s still licking his wounds from not being invited to Obama’s birthday bash. We all know how much he loves to dance mask-less and pant-less with his “Bull”…. Michelle.

    1. He wasn’t sophisticated enough.

      1. Obama cementing his status as a star-chasing fame whore has to rank where on the list of least surprising things that have happened since 2016? Bottom three?

        1. Taibbi’s piece on Obama disinviting his long-time advisor team in favor of his stupid Hollywood buddies was just too delicious. People like to bag on Trump for discarding people he gets in to snits with, but at least you can’t say the man isn’t dedicated to people who stay loyal to him. Obama’s brigade of political bootlickers, who put in countless hours working to get him the power he craved and craft his bullshit “hope and change” image, getting kicked to the curb for his birthday sums up his entire career in one stroke.

          1. It is who he is.
            Obama portrayed the grandma who raised him as racist when it suited him, wtf would anybody else expect to be treated decently?

          2. Taibbi started off with “Obama fooled us all” which is pretty much bullshit. He came in as an empty suit that people like Taibbi pinned all their hopes and dreams on.

            1. True, it was clear as a summer day that the media were positioning Obama for a future presidential run as early as the 2004 DNC convention where they called him a “rock star.” Basically anyone they are gushing over is someone they’re trying to set up to take charge; there’s no sincerity to them whatsoever.

              Like a lot of liberals and neocon conservatives, Taibbi got dazzled by the light show and didn’t bother looking at what the guy was actually made of, which was complete fluff. But at least he can acknowledge now that Obama is full of shit, unlike the current media enablers talking about sophisticated vaccinees.

        2. Has ANYONE in the MSM asked how Obama affords this mansion? How did a Community Organizer become a multijillionaire after 10 years of “service” in DC?

      2. Nah. Biden was not a big enough celebrity for Barry’s shindig.

  17. In an August 15 order, the Court issued a temporary stay order to two counties (Dallas and Bexar) that had planned on defying Abbott’s anti-mask order and requiring students to wear masks.

    Students can still wear masks without punishment? What if schools initiate a mask mandate in defiance of state government? Is that enforceable at the school district level?

    1. Right now no. The ban is that no Texas government entity can require them so not the county or the school district. A lot of school districts are stuck in the middle of the fight, especially if they do not reside entirely within one county.

    2. According to my kid’s high school principal, it’s “strongly encouraged”, but not mandatory.

      1. So, everyone for himself or herself? If you think the masks work, feel free to wear one. If you think everyone else needs to wear a mask, take your kid out of school and set them up for online classes. The teachers are likely better anyway.

        1. Mine don’t mind wearing them, are both vaccinated, and suck at online school so they will keep going even if Hildalgo(Harris County Judge) gets her way. It’s the activities that are the biggest issue. I really don’t want them messing with those because that is what leads to kids becoming isolated and depressed.

        2. If the teachers aren’t vaccinated, they shouldn’t step foot in the school.

      2. Mine is giving the monitoring of the legal battles as the official line. School starts Wed. We are in a reddish-purple area within Harris county. It covers 5 high schools with about 3600 kids each, plus all the accompanying Middle and Elem.

  18. Oklahoma is seeking a do-over in a case questioning whether much of the state’s land falls within a Native American reservation.

    You know who else wanted to reclaim lost ground?

    1. The Taliban?

    2. The developer in the Poltergeist movie?

    3. MacArthur in 1942?
      The British in 1812?
      The insurrectionists on January 6th?

    4. The peoples of Doggerland?

  19. https://twitter.com/catturd2/status/1427249537710764035?t=30_HxuPkIxiWhEWroU-9gQ&s=19

    People are literally falling from airplanes to their deaths trying to flee Afghanistan – and Joe Biden is hiding on vacation, Kamala is yammering about Haiti, and Jen Psaki took a sudden week off because she’s too cowardly to take a few hard questions.

    This is a nightmare.

    1. This was expected.

      1. It can be both…

        1. Instead of floor wax and dessert topping, it’s banana peel and Syrup of Epicac.

    2. When it comes to significant current events that can’t be censored away, it takes a bit of time to run official responses by the appropriate focus groups to ensure no one important suffers politically.

      Some would consider this the opposite of real leadership, but what the fuck do they know?

    3. I just saw a twitter thread full of lefties gloating that Kushner didn’t bring peace to the Middle East after all.
      https://twitter.com/NotHoodlum/status/1426942780765573127

      Apparently it’s not Biden’s fault for fucking with the agreement, but Kushner’s for… well, I can’t figure out the connection their implying, but they’re pretty damn pleased.

      I wonder which one is Mike Laursen?

      1. I wonder which one is Mike Laursen?
        The stupid one.

        1. That would be all of them. In fact, the vast majority of social media users.

      2. The talking points were sent out – it’s Trump’s fault because:
        1. He negotiated with the Taliban, so it was all his idea.
        2. He wanted to leave even earlier!
        3. He let out (really made the Afghan govt release) 5,000 Taliban prisoners.
        4. This was all Trump’s plan that Ole Joe is following exactly.
        5. We’re out (not yet though) thanks to Biden, so it doesn’t really matter how the withdrawal is executed. Because we’re imperialists and evil.

        They’re, uh, flailing a bit.

        1. They diversity, pun intended, of the talking points, is pretty great. I don’t want to see the murder, torture, and rape of the civilians the administration of adults led by Mr So Presidential abandoned. But I suspect that it is going to occur, and somehow will be Trump’s fault.

          1. In a few weeks or months while that massacre is occurring (and they’re already looking for people door to door), the revised myth will be that it’s all Trump’s fault the Taliban took over, and if it weren’t for him negotiating with them, Afghanistan would have a stable, secular democratic government.
            Just watch.

            1. Hell, ENB kind of insinuated that at the top, already.

      3. Afghanistan isn’t in the Middle East.

      4. LOL, total cope in that thread.

    4. “Sudden fall”: how ironic.

      1. Touching portrait of one generation of Democrats passing the torch of power…

        … to the same generation of fucking Democrats.

  20. Afghanistan was never going to be a success. The willingness to leave suggests everything useful has been milked. Perhaps the CIA, the largest organized criminal enterprise in the world, has already had its fill of the poppy fields.

    1. We’ll find out if the Chinese sweep in over the next couple of years, which seems likely. My take is we are unwilling, and therefore incompetent, colonizers.

      “NO WAR FOR OIL!” is a nice principle, but if you do go to war you might as well take the oil.

      1. China will move on Taiwan within the next 3 years. They have no reason not to.

        1. You think they can build enough landing craft in just three years?
          Communist China can destroy Taiwan with missiles, but not physically take over until a lot changes.

          1. They won’t need to land more than a token force. After Taiwan gets blasted by long range missiles and air strikes, Taiwan’s government will find reasons to come back into the fold with the mainland. Any Chinese forces will be there to accept the handover, not fight on the beaches.

        2. Yeah, the Russian and American examples are just one-off cases.

      2. But the generals, politicians, and other oligarchs made out like bandits

      3. And unlike Britain, Russia, and the USA, they have no interest in nation building, so they might succeed there when others have failed.
        But….. Here’s a set of questions – would the Taliban refuse to cooperate with the Chinese over the treatment of the Uighurs. And with that, would they actively fight the Chinese over that cause?
        And since US foreign policy has been largely an “enemy of my enemy is my friend” approach since the Cold War, does the CIA, State Department, etc, establish some kind of covert alliance with the Taliban in order to fight a proxy war vs the Chinese? I certainly wouldn’t put it past those bastards to do something like that.

      4. Let Emperor Xi and the Butchers of Beijing have their Vietnam in the Hindu Kush! Xi and the People’s Liberation Army and the Taliban deserve each other!
        Plus, Xi and the PLA Gang deserve a Vietnam after the Wuhan shit they’ve realeased on our world!

    2. If we grew our own, GMO to kill pain and not people, cheap and legal in the U.S.A, Afghanistan would have nothing going for it at all. And the faster we can start growing, the quicker we can get our comeuppance!

  21. U.S. senators are questioning the FBI on the way they used female staff photos as bait in sex trafficking investigations.

    Like Fox lured 90’s geeks with Gillian Anderson.

    1. The truth is out there…and in there!

  22. The Department of Homeland Security warns about the terror threat posed by “grievances over public health safety measures and perceived government restrictions.”

    “Why do you make me hit you, baby?”

  23. The Biden administration is announcing a large boost to federal food benefits, with average monthly benefits to be raised 27 percent in October.

    The Biden economy is booming that much, eh?

    1. Got to fatten them up for the slaughter.

    2. Not coincidentally timed to match the expiration of federal unemployment benefits. Gotta keep the teat available for all those Democrat voters.

    3. The monthly ration has been increased!

    4. SPB assures us inflation isn’t happening.

    5. Those votes will not buy themselves.

    6. We were told this inflation was temporary. Do you mean to tell me that Biden…lied?

      1. To be fair, I don’t think we can count it as a lie when he doesn’t know what he is saying.

    7. Great! More grocery lines of ungreatful shits who still take stores for granted, even after over a year of riots!

    8. In SF you can walk out with 899 bucks worth of groceries no questions asked.

      1. Missing Persons said: “Nobody walks in L.A.” So if they try that policy over there, they drive their $899 of “free” shit home

  24. People will not let go of the idea of an outdoor motorcycle rally as a COVID-19 superspreader.

    The science says that people on the other side of my politics who gather together outdoors is the problem.

    1. The science says that people on the other side of my politics are the problem.

      FIFY

    2. Chanting and shouting and burning stuff down in large groups at mostly peaceful political rallies has caused no mass infection events at all. It’s so safe the doctors weren’t allowed to ask.

      Maybe riding a bike on the open road is worse.

      1. It was a more sophisticated sort of peaceful protest.

    3. Sturgis? Again, no big loss.

  25. https://twitter.com/PalmerReport/status/1427050227203289098?t=8Le9u3WHHlpzltOL9gVQAA&s=19

    President Biden isn’t on “vacation.” Anyone tweeting that false claim should be suspended for it.

    1. “Anyone tweeting that false claim should be suspended for it”

      This overweening passion for censoring and silencing others is now totally cool with the chattering classes, and rather than opposing it, Reason makes excuses because it’s not the government (directly) doing it.

      1. If it were the ‘wrong’ sorts getting silenced by these “private” companies then Reason would be howling in protest.

    2. Bill Palmer is nuttier than Alex Jones, except Jones gets things right every so often.

  26. Some 400 counties in America are now minority white.

    Victim class, hell yes!

    1. That’s more (or almost as many, don’t remember offhand) counties than “voted” for Joe

  27. Starting last Friday, “Minneapolis Police Officers will no longer be conducting pretextual [traffic] stops for offenses like expired tabs, an item dangling from a mirror, or an expired license…”

    Sure they won’t.

    1. Headline soon: “Why is nobody renewing their license plates?”

    2. They will, presumably, still stop people with outstanding warrants who fail to appear in court.

      1. How do you think cops will know that occupants of the vehicle have warrants or not? You can’t go by just the registered owner—IIRC, there’s a very reason Circuit case that says just because the owner has warrants, isn’t by itself P.C. to make an arrest, or RS to make the initial traffic stop.

        Besides, how many of these guys are driving their cousin’s/baby mama’s/just some guy I know’s car anyway? Expired tags/license, etc…give the officer RS to make the stop, after which, the officer can find out all of the rest.

        1. yess, yesss, feed the police state! Feel the power!

  28. This is the problem with nation building. No matter how many more years we would have spent there, nothing would have changed because occupying military forces do not build nations.

    The right response, decades ago, would have been to topple the Taliban, execute Bin Laden, provide some arms to the new government, then leave. Leave. In and out in less than two years.

    1. Bin Laden died in December 2001.

    2. Now do Japan, West Germany and South Korea.

      Or, read a fucking history book. Israel is the only “nation” in the region. The rest (and the entire continent of Africa) is all tribes, factions and the enclaves of the super-rich. Let the Chinese exterminate them.

      1. Postwar, we had the support of those countries. I don’t know of a 20-year long low-level insurgency in any of them.

        That’s the problem. We had buy-in with them that never really existed in Afghanistan.

      2. Japan, Germany and Korea already had nations. They didn’t need to be built, just some government reorganization.

        1. Bingo!

      3. Oh come on. Those situations are not remotely comparable to Afghanistan. Even South Korea, as poorly developed as it was from a modern infrastructure standpoint, was still an ancient, well-established culture with a strong ethno-nationalist identity that was amenable to having a representative-style democracy installed.

        Brandybuck’s right on here, except I wouldn’t have even left the arms behind. If the Northern Alliance boy-fuckers wanted to fight it out amongst themselves, let them. Maybe China or Iran would have done the stupid thing and wasted trillions over 20 years instead.

        But that shit doesn’t enrich contractors and local warlords. If you want to find out just how corrupt and fucked up our efforts have been there, pull up the last 12 years of SIGAR reports from their website.

        1. Brandybuck’s right on here

          No, he is not. What has happened over the last 40 years has never been about nation building. It is a travesty to associate those words with Middle East politics.

          You and Ken and others clearly understand what went right in Japan and Korea and Germany. Don’t let the lefties change the history to bury those successes under their giant lie that this is all the tainted fruits of the imperial dreams of Republican administrations.

          America needs partners now more than ever.

          1. What has happened over the last 40 years has never been about nation building. It is a travesty to associate those words with Middle East politics.

            Just because a policy was incompetently executed and turned into a corrupt pig trough doesn’t change the ideology behind it. The neocons might be grifters, but there’s no question that they truly believe the entire planet wants Enlightenment-style representative democracy, and that the US should ensure that happens, at the point of a gun if necessary. They basically drove our entire foreign and economic policy from 1989-2016.

            It’s certainly arrogance fueled by stupidity, and that’s why these people are effectively neutered as a political force now. The right doesn’t want them anymore after having a conniption about Trump, while the left can’t stand them and only care about them helping the left to beat Republicans. All they can do is parrot whatever neoliberal narrative is handed to them, because that’s who’s paying their checks now. It’s the same intellectual and civic sclerosis that’s settled in to most of American society since the rise of the counterculture.

      4. Japan and Germany unconditionally surrendered after nuclear bombs were dropped on them and we subjected their civilian populations to carpet bombing campaigns like those in Dresden, Hamburg, and the firebombing of Tokyo.

        If were were willing to go that far, nation building like we did in Japan and Germany might be possible, but how likely are the American people to support that these days?

        Meanwhile, Germany and Japan were among the most highly industrialized powers of the day. When we rebuilt their governments, they rebuilt their industries. Nothing helps nation building like a vibrant economy.

        Rebuilding an industrialized economy with a new government like that is probably easier than creating an industrialized economy in the developing world from scratch under the thumb of an occupation army.

        1. Agree completely. You can’t build a nation if you haven’t actually defeated your enemy.

          Either win the war or shut the fuck up and stay home.

      5. Yeah mass extermination is cool as long as it’s not the chosen race.

    3. US forces are still in Japan and Germany, 76 years later.

      1. Get out of there too. Let the 76 years be a warning to all who want to bring back The Schickelgruber Fan Club and good ol’ Buddheo-Shintoist Values!

    4. My thought almost exactly. Destroy both the Taliban and Al-Qaeda, bocking the borders so they can’t escape to Pakistan, then get out and don’t rebuild.
      And don’t try “winning hearts and minds” of people who may not have either of them.

    5. Seriously though. Look at what shit holes south Korea, Japan and Germany turned out to be!

  29. The photo released of Biden from camp David seems to be an old picture as Moscow and camp David are showing a delta of standard time. Clocks are an hour off.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/AF632/status/1427092332671684608

    1. Totally incompetent photoshopping.

    2. Well of course it’s photoshopped. This junta gets some sort of sexual kick out of showing how they don’t really give a fuck and you’re all powerless to do anything about it.

  30. Business Insider maps out the fastest and slowest growing cities over the past decade.

    Next to meaningless if it doesn’t include the COVID migrations.

  31. The Biden administration is announcing a large boost to federal food benefits, with average monthly benefits to be raised 27 percent in October.

    Someone didn’t get the memo about inflation being transitory.

      1. Reminds me of when the Scots and Irish met in the middle of the battlefield.

  32. When has Afghanistan not been a failed state?

    1. Somebody gets it.

    2. Hey now. The UN, and biden, just waived their fingers at the taliban and warned then about isolation.

  33. We got our mail-in ballots today (signed up for them years ago, fogged mirror, signature/address required) and our “Voter Information” brochures last week.
    The VI brochures allowed space for Newsom’s handlers to claim that this is merely a “R power grab!”. Not one response from the 46 candidates or other interested agents was included. We CA taxpayers provided the incumbent grease-ball asshole a (US tax-payer) distributed brochure claiming that some one is trying to ‘grab power’.
    So we get the ballot yesterday, and all 46 alternative candidates are listed, and none are given the opportunity to present their views.
    A look though the lot has removed Ds, Greens, ‘educators’/’teachers’, ‘entertainers’, ‘activists’, ‘retail store workers’.
    Knocks out 16 – any comments on the remaining 30 folks?

    1. Newsom gets a whole page. Alternate candidates get 250 words, at a cost of $6500. And they can’t talk about Newsom.

  34. The video footage at Kabul airport is really mindblowing.

    1. Yeah, they’re fleeing the wu flu, cowardly piece of lefty shit.

    2. But were they wearing masks?!?!?

      1. …they were being required to test negative for covid, at least as of 24 hours ago

  35. https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1427252292361723909?t=5YUw07e9r68HoIRcaRp5-A&s=19

    A picture is worth a thousand words. Two pictures add infinite context. [Pic]

  36. Last week we discussed nine moderate Democrats in the House, who wrote a letter to Pelosi insisting that the $1.2 trillion infrastructure bill be put to a vote before the $3.5 trillion reconciliation bill. Pelosi and the progressive Democrats in the House have repeatedly stated that they won’t put the $1.2 trillion infrastructure bill up for a vote until after the $3.5 trillion budget reconciliation bill is passed. That’s because they’re worried that if they pass the infrastructure bill first, the moderate Democrats will turn around and say that the price tag on the $3.5 trillion reconciliation bill is too high.

    So, over the weekend, Pelosi promised to move the infrastructure bill ahead procedurally, so that the two bills can be voted on at the same time. Turns out . . . um . . . that wasn’t enough.

    “In a statement Sunday night, the nine centrist House Democrats indicated Mrs. Pelosi’s suggestion didn’t go far enough and they wanted to see the infrastructure bill passed before voting on the budget framework . . . .

    “While we appreciate the forward procedural movement on the bipartisan infrastructure agreement, our view remains consistent: We should vote first on the Bipartisan Infrastructure Framework without delay and then move to immediate consideration of the budget resolution,” the nine Democrats said in the joint statement.

    In the House, Democrats can afford no more than three defections on legislation opposed by all Republicans. If the nine Democrats who signed the letter all vote against the budget framework, they could block its passage in the House.

    —-WSJ

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/nancy-pelosi-looks-at-advancing-infrastructure-and-budget-framework-simultaneously-11629042587?

    I’m not saying that the $3.5 trillion budget reconciliation bill won’t pass, but I am saying it’s in trouble. If the Democrats pass the infrastructure bill first, it will only take one Democrats in the Senate or four Democrats in the House to kill the budget reconciliation bill.

    The only reason those nine Democrats in the House want to vote for the infrastructure bill first is because they don’t want to go on the record voting for the $3.5 trillion budget reconciliation bill. If they wanted to vote for both of them, they wouldn’t care which one went first.

    Meanwhile, the only reason Manchin, Sinema, or Tester (Democrats in the Senate) may be voting for the budget reconciliation bill is because they think it’s a prerequisite for getting the infrastructure bill. If that’s no longer true, their support for the $3.5 budget reconciliation bill may no longer be there.

    IF IF IF we see Nancy Pelosi concede to letting the House vote on the infrastructure bill before they vote for the reconciliation bill, odds are that the reconciliation bill won’t pass.

    Meanwhile, time is running out for big action. Biden and the Democrats are facing some really tall orders, and whatever political capital they had to spend may already be spent at this point. The Democrats are thoroughly associated with lockdowns and face mask requirements, which are so unpopular, the governor of California is facing a serious threat of recall over them. Meanwhile, Joe Biden is being blamed for the sudden collapse of the Kabul government in Afghanistan, and our southern border is collapsing almost as fast as the Afghan military.

    Time is not on the side of the $3.5 trillion reconciliation bill. It’s full of Green New Deal spending and welfare programs. If it isn’t done soon, it may not get done at all. I wouldn’t necessarily bet against it at this point, but you’d be a fool to assume it will pass, at this point, too. Is it not enough for moderate Democrats in Congress to be associated with lockdowns, mask mandates, a lack of border security, etc., they need to volunteer to be responsible for worsening inflation and $3.5 trillion in Green New Deal spending, too?

    1. Sinema and Manchin are only playing lip service. They can’t spend 3.5, but it will be well over 2T, probably closer to 3T.

      1. One the opportunity passes, it will be gone–like the repeal of ObamaCare. Time is running out if it hasn’t run out already. Waiting until September 15 is probably too long. Their political capital is spent.

        “Political capital is a metaphor used in political theory to conceptualize the accumulation of resources and power built through relationships, trust, goodwill, and influence between politicians or parties and other stakeholders, such as constituents. Political capital can be understood as a type of currency used to mobilize voters, achieve policy reform, or accomplish other political goals. Although not a literal form of capital, political capital is often described as a type of credit, or a resource that can be banked, spent or misspent, invested, lost, and saved.”

        —-Political Capital

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_capital

        If the Democrats pass the infrastructure bill first, they won’t have enough political capital left to pass the reconciliation bill–and that’s why the leadership is resisting the push to vote on the reconciliation bill first.

        Meanwhile, Biden just lost a bunch of political capital with the implosion in Kabul. Meanwhile, Biden continues to lose political capital over the situation at the border and with Covid-19 policy.

        Things are not going well for Biden and the Democrats right now, and that will have a real world impact on the willingness of their more moderate members to toe the progressive line. They don’t want to vote for Green New Deal spending. Vote to increase the cost of energy? That’s almost as stupid, in this environment, with Green New Deal spending–ahead of winter–is almost as dumb as shutting down the Keystone pipeline. This shit accumulates and makes it harder for the party in power to get things done, especially when we’re talking about a one party government.

        1. “If the Democrats pass the infrastructure bill first, they won’t have enough political capital left to pass the reconciliation bill–and that’s why the leadership is resisting the push to vote on the reconciliation [infrastructure] bill first.”

          —-Ken Shultz

          Fixed!

        2. “One the opportunity passes, it will be gone”

          I’m curious as to what other things you’ve said this about.
          You don’t have to say them, just think to yourself and try to remember.
          Then check on your absolute faith in the system.

          1. Not sure what you’re going after here.

            1. Your absolute faith in the system.

              1. To be clearer, you still retain some denial that things have fundamentally changed, and that a corrupt system may not operate in accordance with ideal market structure

                1. Things can fail in the short term, but markets don’t require an ideal structure to function. In fact, any structure that gets in their way is doomed. You saw what happened to the USSR, right? That’s what happens when you stand in the way of markets in an extreme case. In more moderate cases, the negative consequences are less but still significant, and the negative consequences pile up.

                  I don’t believe the system today is more corrupt than it was in the past. I think we find out more than we have in the past and that technology does subject us to some different concerns, but sooner or later, the people in power are still subject to the same forces. It may not happen this year or next year, but the negative consequences of bad policy will become apparent eventually, and people will hold their leaders accountable for a shitty economy.

                  Some politicians choose to swim against the current and claim they can defy gravity, but the current is going where it wants whether some corrupt, socialist bastard likes it or not and gravity is pulling against them anyway. They can make bad things happen as a result of their terrible and delusional policies, but we can’t escape the negative consequences of those terrible policies.

                  People get mad. Trump was elected like that. So was Reagan. It’ll happen again. Leaders in more unassailable positions have ended up with their heads on pikes. Ever watch the trial of the Ceausescus? She was indignant until the end. She thought they were still afraid of her! She thought that right up until the moment they gunned her and her husband down. Ghaddafi had it made for a long time, too.

                  I have faith in the path of least resistance–over time. You can go against it if you want, but gravity will have its way in the end. Hugo Chavez can nationalize food distribution under the delusion that his people won’t starve as a result, but he can’t change reality. I have faith in reality, and the reality is that you can’t nationalize food production and distribution like that without starving your people to death. Even Lenin had to deal with reality through the New Economic Program.

                  Reality is inescapable, even for the delusional, the progressive, and the insane–not that those are necessarily three distinct groups of people.

                  1. But people did starve, and the Soviet Union lasted 75 years…

              2. What system are you talking about?

                P.S.

                “I wouldn’t necessarily bet against it at this point, but you’d be a fool to assume it will pass, at this point, too.”

                —-Ken Shultz

                That isn’t an expression of absolute faith in anything.

                1. Our system of government, especially checks and balances.

                  1. Oh, and legitimate elections.

                    So basically all of it.

          2. Then your life is very, very sad. Visitsystemauni

        3. 2022 will be an historic defeat for the party in power. You left out inflation.

          1. That’s my bet.

          2. It will only be a historic defeat if the R’s can resist the impulse to fuck it up. I have little confidence value in that.

            1. If they hire Biden as their chief strategist, that would be a distinct possibility.

        4. You’re the smartest guy here (soldier medic maybe), but I agree with the zero hedge guy about your faith in the system.
          How much longer before the system brings some relief for native east Africans and sw Asian Christians?
          If you’re right, then so was Obama with his arc of history bs.
          And over the long long long term youze may be right. But it’s a small comfort if your people have to wait 200 more generations.

    2. Bi-partisan, right?

  37. “The legislation would, among other things, require the companies to permit third parties to install their own app stores, allow users to bypass app stores, and permit third-party payment systems.”

    Doesn’t Google already allow all those things? I have at least 6 different app stores on my Android phone, and probably a dozen apps I installed outside of app stores (not counting the extra app stores themselves)

    1. Doesn’t it void warranties with google if you go outside the store?

      1. The warranty is provided by the device manufacturer, which for the vast majority of Android devices is not Google. In fact most devices I’ve had come with a manufacturer app store out of the box. Google’
        s first party devices might have some sort of warranty provision, but if you don’t like it you can buy any other device on the market

        I think that is the main problem people tend to look at the Apple market and the Android market as two separate marketplaces, each being its own monopoly, when really they are same market and competing with each other. If you don’t like Apple’s lockdown (but curated) app store, switch to Android. If you don’t like Android openness (and potential vulnerability) switch to Apple

        1. What if you like androids openness, but not the pervasive spying?

    2. Yeah, you can with Android. Apple likes to control everything, though.

      1. See the second paragraph in my comment to JesseAZ above

        1. Yup. And that’s why I don’t buy Apple products.

  38. “Some 400 counties in America are now minority white.”

    And therefore assumed to be 100% in favor of Democratic policies and candidates, so no need to burden those black and brown people with actual voting (or at least the hassle of counting their votes). Just allocate all those numbers to D.

  39. has been joined by people who just want to slam the Biden administration whenever possible

    Nice white knighting, ENB.

    But;
    If the House Democrats hadn’t stopped Trump’s withdrawal plan back in August 2020;
    If the media hadn’t covered up the bureaucratic and military foot-dragging and insubordination;
    If Biden had kept to the schedule in the peace agreement without messing around, delaying and ignoring promises;
    a lot of what’s occurring now, wouldn’t be.

    This mess is solely the fault of overwhelming Orangemanbad in the American Media, the bureaucrats, the House Democrats and Joe Biden.

    1. Senator Inhofe said it best:

      “President Biden did not inherit the current withdrawal from President Trump — in fact, he has deviated from the previous administration’s plan and set his own disastrous course.”

      But of course ENB says people are just “slamming” Joe.

      1. ENB says people are just “slamming” Joe.

        There is no Pundit but ENB, and sarcasmic is her Cockholster.

  40. A sudden fall that sleepy Joe said wouldn’t happen.

    What a mess.

    No telling if it would have been any different under Trump but I’m damned sure ENB wouldn’t be going out of her way to defend his incompetence at managing our withdrawal.

  41. “U.S. senators are questioning the FBI on the way they used female staff photos as bait in sex trafficking investigations.”

    This story is useless without pictures.

    1. Not questioning the use, but the way they were used.
      Like it matters.

  42. “One empty, Respectable Centrist line of commentary has been to say that the U.S. leaving is the right decision but that President Joe Biden—who has pushed back by months the withdrawal deadline former President Donald Trump negotiated—was somehow too hasty. It’s unclear what some folks advocating this sort of mushy middle ground think could have been done to soften the blow of U.S. withdrawal.”

    So you can agree with the decision to withdrawal, but not take issue with the execution? Is that ENB is really saying?

    There’s nothing different that could have been done?!?

    1. ENB is a pathetic leftist bitch

    2. President Joe Biden—who has pushed back by months the withdrawal deadline former President Donald Trump negotiated—was somehow too hasty

      It’s a strawman. Nobody is saying that the “withdrawal” was “too hasty”, it’s that there was no withdrawal. The Biden regime was continuing to send more troops to Afghanistan even just last week, and only through their sheer incompetence did they let the Taliban win.

      Again, Trump had a proper withdrawal plan in place since last year, complete with a peace treaty with military consequences for breaking the terms of the treaty. Had we stuck to the plan, we would have been out completely before May. Instead, the Biden regime completely shredded America’s credibility to prop up a corrupt, ineffectual puppet government and has lost billions of dollars worth of military equipment in a massive shitshow of a flight that makes the US look weak and pathetic.

      But oh no, we can’t blame this on the Biden regime because those Toppest of Top Men can make no mistakes. This is purely the fault of that Bad Orange Man that had us withdrawing from Afghanistan too hastily.

      1. The Biden regime was continuing to send more troops to Afghanistan even just last week

        I will say it if no one else will: cover for the CIA to get another season’s heroin harvest out of country. Joe has always been Deep Alphabet.

      2. Again, Trump had a proper withdrawal plan in place since last year, complete with a peace treaty with military consequences for breaking the terms of the treaty. Had we stuck to the plan, we would have been out completely before May.”

        This can’t be stressed enough. There was a mutually-agreed-upon plan in place, that the administration treated like toilet paper because orangemanbad; and now it’s suddenly not their fault.

        1. He thought 9/11 would be cute until the focus groups told him otherwise so he pulled a date out of his ass. The decision was hasty. The withdrawal was too late.

      3. Biden couldn’t stand to give Trump a win, so instead he took a huge loss.

        It’s perfect.

    3. “It’s unclear what some folks advocating this sort of mushy middle ground think could have been done to soften the blow of U.S. withdrawal”

      Let me clarify that.

      The withdrawal should have happened on the timetable in the withdrawal deal Trump negotiated and signed with the Taliban. We should have been out of Afghanistan completely by May 1st, and we would have been in the process of pulling out of Afghanistan for all of January through April if Trump had been reelected of Biden had stuck to Trump’s timeline.

      1. It’s hard to tell whether people are ignorant of the facts on purpose of whether it’s by accident, but here’s a little refresher in two parts”

        1) Biden decides to review Trump’s deal with the Taliban to withdraw from Afghanistan and criticizes it for failing to require the Taliban to guarantee the rights of women.

        Notice the date!

        “The Biden administration has said it will review a peace deal that ex-President Trump made with the Taliban.

        The White House wanted to make sure the Afghan militant group was “living up to its commitments”, including reducing violence and cutting ties with terrorists, a spokeswoman said.

        . . . .

        She also confirmed Mr Sullivan had discussed US support for protecting the “extraordinary gains” made by Afghan women and girls.

        Under the Taliban’s rule in the 1990s, women were not allowed to attend school or work. The militants say they no longer oppose women’s education, or them working, but many in Afghanistan remain sceptical (sic).

        —-BBC, January 23, 2021

        https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-55775522

        When they were saying, “We can’t leave until the Islamic fundamentalists that run the Taliban agree to renegotiate Trump’s withdrawal agreement to guarantee the rights of women”, it might as well have equaled, “We’re never leaving!”

        Biden was taking social justice to the battlefield. We can’t leave until the feminists win!

        1. He really is an idiot. His career proves it, but not understanding that when one is leaving, and the deal has been made, trying to renegotiate while talking down to the group who will be in charge is not likely to be effective. Changing up the deal to include any social ‘justice’ themed concepts would not be considered insulting, talking down to the Taliban, right or wrong. I support women’s rights, but this was both a stupid and ignorant decision on Biden’s and his administration’s part.

          1. He was making excuses for staying. He had no intention of leaving at that point.

            1. Does he have any intention of leaving at this point, or is the entire shitshow just an excuse to go back in?

      2. Now notice the date of this announcement–when Biden’s review of Trump’s peace deal was finally through.

        “President Biden will withdraw all American troops from Afghanistan over the coming months, U.S. officials said, completing the military exit by the 20th anniversary of the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks that drew the United States into its longest war.

        The decision, which Biden is expected to announce Wednesday, will keep thousands of U.S. forces in the country beyond the May 1 exit deadline that the Trump administration negotiated last year with the Taliban, according to a senior administration official who briefed reporters Tuesday under rules of anonymity set by the White House.

        —-The Washington Post, April 13, 2021

        https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/biden-us-troop-withdrawal-afghanistan/2021/04/13/918c3cae-9beb-11eb-8a83-3bc1fa69c2e8_story.html

        Before that announcement, everyone in foreign policy circles—and Afghanistan–assumed that Biden would keep several thousand American troops in Afghanistan indefinitely.

        Notice the time frame. Between January 25 and April 13, 2021, Biden could have been concentrating on getting American troops–and all of our interpreters, out of Afghanistan. Instead, he dithered. It isn’t just that he could have had those people out of there by August 15, 2021. It’s that he should have had them out by May 1st.

        The Taliban spent all that time gathering their forces–without much threat of engagement from American air power–to supply, move, and prepare their forces to take over the country. And that is all the Biden administration’s fault.

        1. “President Biden will withdraw all American troops from Afghanistan over the coming months, U.S. officials said, completing the military exit by the 20th anniversary of the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks that drew the United States into its longest war.

          They broke the deal because they wanted to do some stupid photo op so the press could lick their taint about the “historic” end to the war. I guess they forgot, despite nearly 20 years of operations, that May kicks off fighting season and the Taliban would have no incentive to not let them out on the planned timeline after breaking our agreement.

          They could have avoided all this, but they needed their little Oscar scene for Hollywood to memorialize with a gauzy, sun-soaked camera filter, and now they have egg and a rainbow pride flag on their face.

    4. Yeah that’s a bad take. It’s ridiculous to assume that our best plan here was no plan at all.

      1. Even our generals admitted they had no idea what our strategy there was. And it’s been that way from about Tora Bora up to yesterday.

  43. I wonder what would happen if we could replace war with violence targeted exclusively at the leadership class. Say, in 2001, we focused 100% of our military and intelligence resources on killing Bin Laden and other conspirators and direct supporters, regardless of where they were, and ignored all those who merely endorsed them. Or, in the lead up to WWI and WWII targeted the heads of state of belligerent nations. Of course, that might have required cousins to kill cousins.

    1. Like taking out Suleimani?
      Remember how much Reason screeched about that?
      Same as Reason’s stance that riots destroying shops in poor neighborhoods or burning people alive in liquor stores is all good, but a brief riot in the capitol is the worst thing to ever happen in this country.

      1. Cite please.

        1. Look it up yourself

          1. You’re the one making the assertion that Reason had articles praising the summer rioters. The burden of proof is upon you to provide such articles or admit to being a liar.

            1. Then don’t believe me, you fucking moronic pussy.

              Anyone else is free to use their memory or check for themselves.

            2. Black Lives Matter Is Not Responsible for Four Black People Abusing a White Man in Chicago
              “The #BLMKidnapping is another frustrating example of assigning moral culpability to an entire group.”

            3. Narrator’s voice: “But the real liar was sarcasmic”

              Black Dignity Matters

            4. If sarc had any shame, he’d be embarrassed right now. But he’s just an admitted troll.

          2. Oh, I forgot. You don’t need proof because “it is known.”

            You really are a sucker for the Big Lie. You’ll believe anything if people repeat it enough times.

            1. Does sucking totalitarian collectivist cock actually assuage your resentment at all, or is it just pathological behavior you endlessly repeat without ever reflecting on what it gets you?

              1. But the Glibs like him!

                1. Didn’t the walking fallacy say he was leaving because ‘mean girls’ and never coming back? I definitely remember him saying that.

                  Oh, right, he is a disingenuous cunt. I forgot for a second.

                  1. Yeah it lasted about a week.

                2. The Glibs banned him. That’s why he’s back to trolling here.

        2. Bruh, ENB actually had a tweet-rage about it, complaining that anyone who supported it needed to question how good of a Christian they really were. I don’t remember who posted it (either Tulpa or WCR), but it was something else.

          This was her headline in the January 3rd Morning Links after it happened: “Does Trump’s Strike Against Iran Mean We Are Going to War?” Boehm did one on January 8th with similar kvetching.

    2. That type of warfare certainly would have a place, but in some situations might just lead to more instability, conflict, and violence. Think of the comparable situation when the cops concentrate on locking up gang leaders, what happens.

    3. I think that targeted official violence against politicians would certainly solve the problem of ‘forever wars,’ and if televised, would be very popular. The latter would require an objective journalist class, which has largely long since died out.

    4. Targeting political leaders sets a bad precedent. They might try the tactic on you.

      1. Which is ultimately why it’s not done.
        The British were absolutely appalled that the American revolutionaries started targeting their officers, thus putting gentlemen in danger.

        1. Top men?

    5. That, I believe, was the idea behind drone strikes. The idea that you can use violence cleanly against only the bad guys is a theoretical pipedream.

  44. The war on Afghanistan was originally won by raining death on the Taliban.

    Then the goalposts moved…

    1. Obviously not enough death rained.

  45. Malcolm Nance Suggests ‘Bot Tweets’ Behind Ben Shapiro Praise After Clash

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/malcolm-nance-suggests-bot-tweets-behind-ben-shapiro-praise-after-clash/ar-AAN2V5V?ocid=uxbndlbing

    “It shared several posts defending Shapiro’s appearance on Real Time on Friday but those posts did not resemble the repetitive messages bot accounts frequently share.
    The tweet in question said: “He [Nance] lost entirely lmao.
    “I don’t like Shapiro, but he schooled him.”

    Looked up the conversation, and it is painful to watch Nance using every disingenuous argument to defend CRT. Basically relies on the same emotional, substance free appeal that we have seen so many people use already. Watching shapiro call him out on his bullshit was great, even with a lefty audience blindly cheering anything nance said because he said the appropriate race baiting crap.

    To get that owned and have to cry “bots!”, on Twitter of all places where the lefties run the place with mob rule & their witch trials…just sad.

  46. The problem for Biden isn’t getting out of Afghanistan so much as the way it happened. It seems as if reality was completely unpredictable by the Biden administration, which strongly suggests they’re incompetent.

    At some point, we have to come to terms as a society that we’ve embraced central planning by leaders who have no idea what they’re doing and little incentive to figure it out.

    1. With apologists like ENB what incentive do they have to change?

    2. The problem for Biden isn’t getting out of Afghanistan so much as the way it happened.

      THIS.

      And Sleepy Joe has now become Hidin’ Biden.

  47. This is sad, but inevitable. What President Biden did is decide to take the hit. I am sure he new that the pictures would not be pretty, he may have misguessed how bad. But he knew it had to be done and he made the decision. He knew there would be flack and second guessing, but he decided to accepted what was coming. Americans have been asking for an end and President Biden provided it. That part is good.

    1. He ended it by pushing back his predecessor’s timetable?

      1. Dems miscalculated by stalling Trump last year. They could have pinned this on him instead of Biden, if we were going to get out anyway.

    2. So Biden was totally planning out this entire shitshow “withdrawal” from Afghanistan, even as he was sending thousands more troops to Afghanistan?

      1. This shit show was going to happen. Look back on my comments earlier in the year and I said this would happen. And yes I think President Biden knew he would have to accept this happening. The extra troops are not there to fight they are there to evacuate people. That kind or work takes troops, always has and always will.

        1. The Taliban taking over was going to happen. The utter clusterfuck of a withdrawal could have been entirely avoided.

          1. Exactly. I’m not upset about the Taliban takeover. It was ALWAYS going to happen. But to be so publicly inept at withdrawing is unforgivable.

        2. This shit show was going to happen.

          No it wasn’t. Trump had us scheduled to leave in a systematic and orderly fashion before May and started drawing down our presence after the agreement was signed last year. The Biden regime tossed out the agreement, kept US troops in Afghanistan indefinitely, and then sent even more troops to Afghanistan while Kabul falling was still “impossible”.

        3. “…Look back on my comments earlier in the year and I said this would happen…”

          Yeah, I’m sure you were all ready to blame Trump a year ago. Well, TDS-addled asshole, you managed to get who you wanted for POTUS, now point to where you said this would happen under droolin’ Joe.
          Or STFU and die.

    3. His absence as the disaster he planned unfolds shows real leadership

    4. Totally lame.

      1. You have better answer? Maybe keep troops there for 100 years or make Afghanistan the 51 state.

        1. Yeah, the better answer is for you to quit lying, asshole.

        2. The better answer was to follow the plan that was negotiated.

    5. “…What President Biden did is decide to take the hit…”

      Now, you would be justified to assume this is jsimple dishonesty on M4e’s part, but you would be wrong.
      m$e is an asshole badly afflicted with TDS. So addled is he that it makes him stupid almost beyond measure. Yes, the comment is dishonest, but that dishonesty is driven by that abysmal stupidity; this TDS-addled shit BELIEVES the lies he post!

    6. Oh, please. Biden is barely aware of what flavor oatmeal he had for breakfast. He wasn’t taking one for the team, he and his handlers are just stupid.

    7. Are you drunk?

  48. An argument can be made for invading Afghanistan immediately after the events of 9-11. The USA accomplished the initial goals within a year or two.

    The problem is President Bush move the goal posts. We should have left after accomplishing the initial goals. If the Taliban had come back into power afterwards and attacked the USA then we could always pound them into the sand again.

    Subsequent presidents continued the farce, so Yes President Biden has his share of disgrace along with Presidents Bush, Obama, Trump. With 20 years the USA and allies have worn out their welcome. We should offer to evacuate to afghans who aided us.

    1. Punitive strikes/ops. Should’ve been it.

      The Suleimani hit was an A+ move. Occupying Afghanistan an F

  49. Someone tell me why the is exit strategy is bad:
    1. Deploy US military in Afghanistan to bolster propped up Afghan government
    2. Gradually transfer security responsibility to US forces
    3. Remove all US military equipment from Afghan forces
    4. Announce withdrawal plans and allow for asylum and evacuation for all Afghans who helped the US
    5. Remove US forces

    1. Because Orange Man.

    2. It’s so obvious even a 5 year old who knew nothing about the situation beforehand would’ve said that’s the way to do it

  50. It was going to be a shitshow at some point, but the buck stops with the guy giving the orders. So its on you dementia Joe.

    The place is one of the biggest shit holes in the world, and it isnt possible to control it without permanent military takeover (and it isnt worth controlling). Might have been a better way to get out, but clearly ol Joe fucked it up. This massive multi-decade debacle should (but probably wont) be a lesson against future pointless mistakes.

    1. He’s going to try to pass the blame. Might be tough for someone who was a senator for the 1st 8 years of occupation, then a VP for 8 years, and now president.

  51. By the way, in his infamous July 8 press conference, which is already guaranteed to be one of the most shameful and disgraceful press conferences of all time, Sleepy Joe claimed in no uncertain terms that the intelligence community told him straight out that the government would be able to hold out against the Taliban.

    What I would like to know is: is this really true, or was Sleepy Joe telling the American people a bald-faced lie, or was he having a Senior Moment?

    I feel like we deserve to get an answer to this question, but I have little confidence that we ever really will. The ass-covering is about to begin in earnest.

    1. No intel bubba I know thought anything but that Afghanistan was going down. The leadership, though, has an agenda and changes assessments. What Biden hears has been filtered thru at least a dozen layers.

  52. You can argue all you want we should have never been there–I’d probably agree with that. But that doesn’t excuse fleeing without any plan whatsoever, effectively handing an entire country over to a terrorist organization and enemy of the state. It is precisely these kinds of political views–for example, views that dismiss massive amounts of human suffering to an “oh well,” or that think that it’s OK to cede a country to the Taliban in the name of libertarian principles–that make it impossible to elect a “Libertarian.” There’s a reason why some of the most well-known free thinkers avoid the libertarian moniker when being interviewed.

    1. What kind of plan do you have in mind?

      1. The point is not that I’ve got some better plan in my back pocket; as a civilian, how could I? But he’s the commander in chief. More is expected. And it’s safe to say that when withdrawal results in a worst-case-scenario outcome, his plan was a bad one. Even if you’re not an expert in baseball, it’s fair to gripe about your team’s performance when they lose 22-0 to the team in last place.

        1. We should also note that Biden violated the terms of the agreement Trump signed with the Taliban. They largely abided by the terms of that agreement. The Taliban kept fighting against the Kabul government, but our peace agreement was with the Taliban–not between the Kabul government and the Taliban.

          If Biden had cleared out by May 1st–instead of violating the agreement by staying beyond that point–this might have ended differently. This could have been more like the way the British handed over Hong Kong to China. We’re leaving now. Here you go.

        2. “…And it’s safe to say that when withdrawal results in a worst-case-scenario outcome, his plan was a bad one…”

          Bullshit.
          It’s not up to you or me or Biden to choose for the Afghans; whatever result they get is their business.

          1. Bullshit? How so? Do you believe that there was not a preferable alternative to the chaos ensuing now? Do you believe the president ignoring the warnings of just about everyone was the way to go about this? Moreover “whatever result they get is their business” ignores the reality that we spent 20 years and trillions of dollars there only to concede an entire country to one of the country’s worse enemies; it absolutely is OUR BUSINESS.

            Still, the point is not to debate whether to get out (I agree we shouldn’t have been there and should have been planning our withdrawal), it is to debate how effective a job Biden did in getting out. And I don’t see how it could have gone worse.

      2. Any kind?

    2. Taliban = freedom fighters

  53. If you want us to stay send your kids not mine.

    1. It’s not as if there was a draft, so if your kids are there, they are adults who chose to sign up for military service.

      But that misses the point anyway.

  54. 38 million people with 180 thousand soldiers capitulated to 80,000.

    It’s almost like this is what the people actually wanted.

    At what point do we recognize the right of self-determination and local sovereignty?

    1. Maybe, just maybe, the US has finally learned

      NO MORE GD NATION BUILDING!!

      Post war Germany and Japan were already functioning nations; this is not a model for places like Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, South Vietnam…

    2. ^+1
      Nine of my business.

    3. I’m not sure what they wanted.

      Because they were apathetic towards the Kabul government doesn’t mean they wanted to be overrun by the Taliban.

      What they probably wanted was to be left alone, and that wasn’t one of the choices on the menu.

    4. The Taliban is immensely preferable to the people who fly the rainbow flag.

      1. Then go away with them and be their wife/goat proxy/chai boy! You know you want it!

  55. Biden’s immigration problems are just getting worse and worse:

    “Until about seven years ago, nearly all the people crossing into the U.S. were Mexicans in search of work. In 2014, for the first time, the majority of those crossing the southern border became children and families from the Central American countries of Guatemala, Honduras and El Salvador arriving to claim asylum, a dynamic around which the current administration has formed its migration policy response.

    But recent political turmoil across Latin America and the Caribbean, along with the continuing economic fallout from the pandemic, have sent people fleeing to the U.S. border in larger numbers than previously seen.

    Tens of thousands of migrants from Brazil, Venezuela, Cuba and Haiti have come to the border since October, the start of the government’s fiscal year, far surpassing previous annual records. About 3,700 Romanians—most of them believed to be of the Roma ethnic minority—have crossed, nearly double the previous annual record. And so many migrants have been coming from Ecuador that for the past three months, they have eclipsed migrants from El Salvador, one of the three Central American countries at the center of the administration’s policy response.

    —–WSJ

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/growing-share-of-migrants-from-outside-mexico-central-america-poses-challenge-for-biden-11629122385?

    The flood of asylum seekers, most children traveling alone or families traveling with children, really started in the wake of Obama’s DACA order, but Cubans and Haitians are coming to escape the political turmoil–and the economic devastation caused by the pandemic. And that was before the earthquake in Haiti yesterday.

    We set a record of over 200,000 crossing the border in July. Expect that trend to continue. It’s just going to get worse and worse. It’s going to become a global humanitarian issue. The Europeans will be sending us aid. The international Red Cross will be demanding access to our camps and shaming us by establishing camps across the border in Mexico. It’s a nightmare, and the Biden administration isn’t doing anything but trying to offer amnesty to those who are already here.

    1. I think they meant Romani, not Romanians. How many Romanians are there in Latin America?

      1. Yes.

        And I believe there are still lots of Romani in Romania.

        1. There are. Much as a separate culture. Have seen more between Bucharest and the Black Sea than the other places I visited. Their manele music reminds me of Mexico’s banda.

      2. Are there a lot of Romani in South America?

        1. Or is Romani being used as a general word denoting gypsy, rather than the specific ethnic group?

        2. Yeah, there is a pretty good Romani population in South and Central America.

      3. Roma is the term Europe uses. If they are Romanian citizens they would also be Romanian (by citizenship).

  56. Biden was saying this wasn’t going to be like Saigon with people trying to climb on to a helicopter on the roof of the embassy, and he’s right.

    A Chinook couldn’t fit on the rooftop like Hueys could.

  57. So the intelligence agencies knew about Russian meddling at the DNC, but couldn’t predict the Afghan army’s complete capitulation to an outnumbered Taliban?

  58. Biden must be counting on a few years between now and 2024 and a short memory/attention span of the media.

    I think he has a shot.

  59. > It’s unclear what some folks advocating this sort of mushy middle ground think could have been done to soften the blow of U.S. withdrawal.

    Well, for starters we could have made an effective effort to get people who are in direct danger of Taliban reprisal due to their involvement with U.S. troops out of Afghanistan. We put them in danger by asking them to help us, and now we abandon them? It didn’t have to be that way.

    1. people who are in direct danger of Taliban reprisal

      Islamic fundamentalists in Afghanistan? Must have escaped from a zoo.

  60. This is pathetic, even by ENB standards. Biden has now managed to put 7000 troops into a country we are “leaving.”

  61. Is someone going to point out how most of the people who are dying in Afghanistan are POC?

    Biden: racist.

    1. I was in college prior to 9/11 and there must have been a women’s group flyer every week discussing the situation in Afghanistan for women and girls. Jay Leno’s wife was a speaker at one of the events, it was a pretty big deal. Women wanted the US government to “do something” up to an including military intervention.

      The only thing I can conclude now is that the hair-sniffer in chief is a misogynist.

  62. Afghan President Mohammad Ashraf Ghani fled the country yesterday as the Taliban entered Kabul and took control of the presidential palace.

    It takes f-15s and tanks to beat the US military.

  63. The left wants to blame Trump, but it was Biden that pushed back the negotiated May 1 exit date. Some commenters said it was asking for additional concessions in such areas as women’s rights, which are not part of the Taliban theology. Regardless, it was yet another agreement from the prior administration that the left needed to break, as they are determined to erase anything done by Trump (Nord Stream II, XL, stay in Mexico, Embassy in Jerusalem, etc.).

    Even with the push back of the timetable, there is no reason the interpreters and others that assisted the US were not processed and ready for evacuation by the May 1 deadline. The Atlantic has good articles posted on the tragedy of the Administration’s treatment of these people that assisted us.

    Biden abandoned the Bagram airfield military base without even contacting the Afghan government or military. It is not believable that the military under Trump would make that decision.

    With full knowledge the Taliban would take back the country, why so much high tech military equipment was left behind is incompetence beyond belief. After seeing the rise of ISIS when Obama/Biden removed all of the troops from Iraq, could anyone advising Biden believe his comment that there were 300,000 well-trained Afghans that would defeat the Taliban?

    1. It’s my understanding that the Trump administration had the support of Afghan Government and the local warlords, and Biden shredded that.

  64. In other news last week, Dead & Company (John Mayer and 3 original members of the Grateful Dead) and Phish announced that covid vaccine cards (or proof of a recent negative covid test) will be required for everyone who attends their upcoming concert tour.
    https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/dead-and-company-vaccination-2021-tour-mandate-1211092/

    Dead & Company is requiring evidence of a vaccine for everyone who has tickets to the pit area near the stage.

    Although opposing government officials or agencies mandating vaccines (except for government employees), I support the policy announced by the original hippie band of the 1960s, and I have a ticket for the 8/28 concert in Hershey, PA.

    This may be the last time Bob Weir, Billy Kreutzmann and Mickey Hart tour together).

    1. Tickets are still available for many shows
      https://deadandcompany.com/#covid_protocols

    2. Jerry would have smacked Bobby across the face for making anyone prove anything to get into a Dead show.

      also I got in four phish shows *before* they implemented their “papers please” nonsense this past weekend in Atlantic City.

    3. Why in the blue hell would any self-respecting person buy tix to a show featuring a couple of washed-up, geriatric jam bands (these guys are, what, in their 70s and 50s, respectively), let alone one that requires you to show you got some experimental pox prophylactic?

      1. If it’s not your thing, fine, but those groups both still perform well. I’d say the quality of the performance for Dead & Co. with Mayer is a lot better than most of what you’d get from the Dead in the 80s, for example.

        1. To be fair, Mayer hasn’t had to get any knee or hip replacements yet.

          1. Yeah, and probably more importantly he’s not nodding off on heroin for half of the show.

          2. Dunno. People who fall into the Dead pool seem to disappear. Heard from Bruce Hornsby lately?

      2. Yeah, that show sounds awful, even without the pandemic porn.

    4. Do you need the vaccine card, or can you just show the needle mark?

    1. That guy’s hilarious.

    2. He did a positive history of Stryper with a straight face, and his favorite band is Bathory.

      1. I’m not a metal guy, but I do watch his metal mythos series, because I enjoy watching knowledgeable, passionate people talk about their passions– when done well.

    3. I like the closing credits.

      “Organized Tactical Retreat” by:
      Mark Milley’s Military Career

    1. “They’re just chanting ‘Death to America,’ but they seem friendly at the same time.”

      It is no longer possible to parody the stupidity of CNN.

    2. Same ditz who, that day, got told by the Taliban to move the fuck out of the way, because she’s a woman. https://www.yahoo.com/news/taliban-tells-cnn-reporter-kabul-132527995.html

      There’s a hilarious meme of her doing her reports the day prior, in Western garb, hair uncovered, and how she appears today. At least they didn’t make her wear a veil.

      Or treat her like Lara Logan.

    3. Baghdad Bob looks great after transitioning.

    4. Every tyrannical ruling group is mostly peaceful, if you comply.

  65. “Can anyone even imagine taking out our Military before evacuating civilians and others who have been good to our Country and who should be allowed to seek refuge?” Trump said Monday. “In addition, these people left topflight and highly sophisticated equipment. Who can believe such incompetence? Under my Administration, all civilians and equipment would have been removed.”

    On Sunday, Trump called on Biden to “resign in disgrace” over the rapid collapse of the U.S.-backed Afghan government following the pullout of American troops.
    https://www.newsmax.com/politics/trump-biden-surrender-taliban/2021/08/16/id/1032522/

    Looks like Biden’s ratings will continue to fall (as even most Democrats will blame Biden for his disastrous exit strategy).

    1. Naah. You’re expecting honesty and a degree of intelligence. See M4e above; TDS-addled assholes will find a way to blame Trump.

  66. Two decades ?

    Make that four.

    The first time round , we were on the Afghan side in ‘Stans versus Evil Empire, and the Empire lost so bigly it imploded.

    16 years later,Hekmatyar Gulbudding, the dude who’d delivered napalmed afghan kids to the Shriner’s Burn center but refused to meet with Reagan, asassinated America’s last significant Reagan era Afghan ally, Muhammad Shah Massoud of the Northern Alliance, on the eve of 9-11.

    Now he’s back in the saddle in Kabul.

    https://vvattsupwiththat.blogspot.com/2021/08/the-afghan-decadal-overtuning.html

  67. >>(Dallas and Bexar) that had planned on defying Abbott’s anti-mask order and requiring students to wear masks.

    fuck Clay Jenkins. Child-abuser.

  68. >>Some 400 counties in America are now minority white.

    define white or stop with the race bait.

    1. I like how all the race baiting articles about the census were basically: white people are fucked! Relative white population declining! New census is terrible news for whites!

      As if “white” is a football team, in a zero sum game, that I want to crush all the other football teams and I put on a jersey and root for it. Can you imagine how racist one has to be to actually think this way?

      Of course, the left does think this way because they are absolute racist pieces of shit.

      Prediction of what is coming next: Mixed race people were on the rise this census. They will be the next targets. Children of whites trying to “appropriate” race, culture, and now skin color. The hardcore leftists are already going this route and accusing people of “just wanting darker skinned babies”. They are really just mad that their victim status is getting diluted.

      1. Also see: Asians. The social engineers don’t know what to make of a minority that doesn’t need help and seems to be beating the pants off of even the majority with nothing but a culture that rewards a strong work ethic. Also why white/asian marriages are often described as “problematic”. Imagine saying that about anyone else’s marriage.

        1. Also why white/asian marriages are often described as “problematic”.

          Do you have evidence or is it just your wife’s family that is saying that?

            1. Kellie Chauvin and a history of Asian women being judged for whom they marry

              Well, to be fair, when some Pakistani’s killed some people in England, the British press referred to the attackers as “Asian”. So… yes, Asian women have a long history and PRESENT of being told whom they should marry.

              1. Since Pakistan is in Asia, a Pakistani is Asian. Why wouldn’t the British press refer to the attackers as Asian?

                1. In the UK “Asian” is standard when referring to India/Pakistan.

                2. It’s purposefully non-specific in a blatant attempt at obfuscation.

                  Where were the attackers from?

                  *shrug*

                  Japan, China, South Korea… hard to say. But somewhere in Asia.

                  But I get it, technically correct is the BEST kind of correct.

        2. DOL, FYI, your observation from a few weeks ago about the inbred Afghan army troops finally came home to roost in the last couple of weeks. Plus, we got to see an actual, real-time Boyd-style OODA loop moral collapse yesterday as the US administrative complex was essentially struck deaf and dumb.

          What a time to be alive.

          1. Not really enjoying it, but I’m sitting in a vastly more comfortable seat than some of my friends. I knew it would happen, but I did not think it would happen this fast. Corruption from the top down permeated everything completely. Ashraf Ghani fled before the taliban even entered the city. What a POS.

            Who taught you about OODA loops? That was introduced to me in an urban warfare course. You’re correct there; interesting way to think about it.

            1. I actually learned about it 13 years ago from John Boyd’s hagiography by Robert Coram, where he explains it in some detail, after coming across an article about Boyd online somewhere (I think it was Bill Whittle’s old site). The stuff in that book on the Acolytes then led me to buying copies of The Pentagon Wars and Defense Facts of Life/Plans-Reality Mismatch. The former is a fascinating piece on military acquisition; the latter is interesting from a theory perspective, but from an equipment standpoint I think time has rendered the specifics that Spinney talked about in there to be mistaken. The Acolytes tend to promote a “simpler is always better” approach to warfighting, and while it certainly has its merits, the record of the 70s generation of fighters (which were designed on Boyd’s theories, but developed outside his specs for a single-mission fighter to provide multi-mission capability) in combat speaks for itself. Important people, though, who did the necessary thing of forcing the DoD to grapple with its own presumptions on the public stage, even they lost the ideological war in the end.

              You can find copies of Boyd’s various lecture slides and essays on accessible websites, but they aren’t for casual reading. You have to really sit down and engage with it to get a handle on the content. I even found a declassified copy of his fighter training manual that he wrote at Nellis.

              1. Incidentally, the HBO movie “The Pentagon Wars,” based on the book, is fucking hilarious and sad at the same time, and I highly recommend anyone to pick that up if they haven’t seen it.

                1. I saw the movie, but I have not read any of the underlying material. OODA loops is how we were taught to plan and execute high risk raids in urban environments. The idea was to move rapidly and use lots of explosives and distraction devices to interfere with the enemy’s decision making, and beat them to getting front sight posts on people. Made for some very exciting raids in Mosul in ’09. Eventually that training was favored less, replaced by a slow and methodical, frag every room, move, listen, wait, frag again, then enter. Rinse and repeat.

            2. but I’m sitting in a vastly more comfortable seat than some of my friends

              Sounds like you act in direct support of the Forever War totalitarians. Of course you get a comfortable seat.

              Did they let put the black bags on the heads of the “enemy combatants” before they trundled them off to be shot as well?

      2. I just read an unintentionally hilarious article in my local rag about how all the neighborhoods are less white (except the traditionally black neighborhood- because gentrification) and noted the high Asian populations moving in… something something Amazon.

        Then a very careful journosplaining sentence instructing the reader that “Asians” are not a monolith. That’s rich.

        Black people: Monolith.
        Whites: Monolith.
        Asians: Not a monolith.

        Journalism beclowns itself in new an interesting ways every minute of the day.

    2. define white or stop with the race bait.

      Anyone with less than one drop of any other blood that’s widely agreed upon to not be white.

      1. I’m the whitest man alive, and yet somehow still not fully white.

        Mischling privilege is the cagiest of all systemic advantages.

        1. This means that many among the coming generation of American Jews have no use for obscene formulations like “Jews are white.” They have only one identity marker, the only one they ever had, the only one that matters: Jews are Jews.

          So Jewish IS a race then.

      2. 1/32 may get you sold down the river.

      3. Well, no one has any drops of their ancestors’ blood in them (unless they got a transfusion recently), so race isn’t a thing. QED.

        Or, let’s flip the one-drop rule and take it less literally than I just did and declare that anyone with any white ancestry is white.

        1. Well if we can believe the DNA enthusiats we all have African roots. That’s why I identify as African American even though my ancestors are mostly Euro trash. First in line for those contracts bitches.

  69. Predicted questions to Biden or his press sec about this debacle:

    – Sir, in light of this not completely successful withdrawal, how can the media responsibly cover this story for the public?
    – Sir, in what ways did any move made by prez Trump make it impossible for you to succeed in Afghanistan
    – Sir, tell us why this was the best, and really only, move that you could and had to make
    – Sir, was the US just too distraught over the riot / insurrection of 1/6 to focus on Afghanistan?

    1. How do you propose we stop the spread of disinformation and misinformation about your responsibility for the catastrophe that was Trump’s fault?

    2. – Sir, in what ways did any move made by prez Trump make it impossible for you to succeed in Afghanistan

      – Sir, you were at the right hand for the failed withdrawal and ‘surge’ in Iraq, how is it that Republicans managed to trick you twice?

    3. I guaran-fucking-tee they’re coordinating the talking points and questions before hand. The DNC email leak already confirmed that they do this.

    4. Are you concerned that this might distract us from the far bigger threats of white supremacists and anti vaccine misinformation?

  70. The Taliban is one of 20 Islamic terrorists groups who want to make the entire world a caliphate. Our (the civilized world) beef is with all of them, regardless of the country or region in play. Their only approach is win or die trying. 20 years ago we could have wiped them out in Afghanistan. Now back to square one. Shame on the 4 US presidents who lacked the balls to do the right thing.

    1. Next time vote for Tamerlane, he gets the job done.

      1. Tamerlane was Muslim too.

    2. So McCain was your candidate then. So glad he never won.

  71. I’ve got two of my previous interpreters messaging me frantically. One is hiding in Kabul and was part of the rush at the airport last night. The other is traveling in women’s clothing, trying to make it to the airport before it all goes to hell. They’re both sending me pictures of their kids that they have had in the decade since I knew them, pleading. I’ve written my congressman and was briefly on the phone with someone from the US at the airport when my friend handed it to him, but it was too noisy and the connection too bad to say communicate anything. What can else can I do? Nothing.

    This is personal. These guys are in real danger of being beheaded. Their daughters are going to be raised as property in a society that places their value as equal to livestock.

    Whatever your opinions, try to remember the human element.

    1. I hope your associates get out ok.

      1. Me too, but I don’t see much cause for hope. I know of three who have come to the states in the years since we worked together. I made statements for two of them. That’s something. I saw one a few months ago in person. I’m happy for them. They did the smart thing and worked on their visas for literal years to get out. But it should not take that. It should not take a multi-year process of bureaucracy that is indecipherable even to native english speakers.

        There was no reason to leave our interpreters to the last minute like this. People are going to die, horribly. And it was preventable, if nothing else was.

    2. Whatever your opinions, try to remember the human element.

      Your friends are fucked, boo hoo. Maybe they shouldn’t have fomented insurrection?

      5 million Uighurs are being systematically extinguished by bureaucrats who kill on a scale magnitudes greater than religious fundamentalists. Religious intolerance sucks, but socialism is an unparalleled evil.

      1. The “it was too noisy and the connection too bad to say communicate anything” line was too funny.

        Junior Aid (read literally): I’m skzzt sir. There’s to-skzzt skwaaaaah noise. I shzzzt hear you!
        “Green Beret”: *shrugs* Welp, communications are sketchy, nothing else I can do.
        Nearest teen: *Doesn’t even remove headphones* You can’t text? Boomer.

        1. Been texting dumbass. He handed his phone off to someone at the airport in a vain attempt to get through. Way to show your small mind and petty indifference to real people and events though.

          1. I would’ve replied sooner, but I was going through a tunnel and my chaffeur was helpless to stop the car or turn the radio down. What else could we do? Nothing.

            As far as indifference, these translators supposedly were helping you kill Taliban fighters, no?

          2. Seriously, was your congresscritter on the tarmac in Bogota? Every airport I’ve been at in the Western World for the last decade is blanketed in at least 4G LTE to the last square inch (inluding runways), with dozens if not hundreds of people carrying on functional phone conversations (and texts, and streaming movies, and gaming…) in multiple languages, 24/7.

            Even if I were wholly sympathetic to your translators’ issues (despite the fact that, as you said, there’s nothing to be done) the idea that your congresscritter couldn’t have a phone conversation in the airport is unbelievable. Much more credible that you got snubbed.

      2. You’re a real piece of shit. Thanks for making that clear.

        1. Ranger up Specialist Mitty! Put on your battle rattle, HALO in, and lead them all to safety!

        2. This is personal. These guys are in real danger of being beheaded.

          After 8 months of messaging “traitors get what they deserve”, it’s a little late to add the caveat “except those that betray their countrymen in support of the War Machine”. Brave men stand and fight, they don’t text their handlers disguised in a fucking hijab. 32 million people in thrall to 180k is a people begging to be fucked over by one State or another.

          What are you going to do with them once they and their cousin’s anchor kid get over here? Get them good paying government jobs translating Social Security pamphlets into every shithole provincial dialect so they all can collect their minimum income checks? Following GIs around making sure they know where the best brothels are is not a full time job. They sure as hell aren’t going to pick our lettuce.

          You are the worst fucking hypocrite of all the jeffys.

          1. “After 8 months of messaging “traitors get what they deserve”

            This. Eat a bag of dicks Dee, you sanctimonious poseur.

            1. So you guys are basically on the same level as the OJ jury.

              1. You said it, cunt. Reap the fucking whirlwind.

                1. While I do not believe Dee one iota, I have no doubt there are thousands of Afghans facing certain death. I also have no doubt that Biden doesn’t give a shit.

                  My advice to them would be don’t wait for them to come calling. Arm up however you can and take at least one of them with you. Right now, while things are still fluid.

                  1. Get an AK, put on your burkha, blend in with the crowd and head for the nearest checkpoint…

        3. Except they were literally insurrectionists, and you literally think insurrectionists should be murdered.

          I know being a sociopath makes this a hard connection to make though.

      3. You’re a demon Chuck!

        I know they don’t matter to you because they aren’t white or Christian, but their lives are worth more than a morally bankrupt Mormon like you.

        Shame on you scumbag.

        1. I know they don’t matter to you because they aren’t white or Christian

          That is quite the cogent defense of backwater tribalism, corrupt provincial government and centuries of suppression of the most basic human rights you have going there. They would certainly feel right at home in your dream for Portlandia.

          1. Tribalism? Try getting treated fairly in Utah if you aren’t LDS.

            You’re perv Heavenly Father is a crock of shit and you know it.

      4. “ Your friends are fucked, boo hoo. Maybe they shouldn’t have fomented insurrection?”

        Yet you defend your fascist pals who attacked the capitol?

        I’m against the death penalty, but Mormons aren’t people so I’m fine with you being executed you traitor.

        Your allegiance is to your pervert con man prophet and not to your own country.

        Die you evil traitorous scum.

        1. Whatever, NoisyBoy217@antifapdx.com.

          I would bet there was more wealth generated by the 12 million members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints last year than the entire country of Afghanistan, where the church is not allowed to exist and proselytizing can be punishable by execution. Except gambling is frowned upon and I try to keep the faith.

          Your lies and threats are meaningless to anybody that knows anything about anything.

          1. Uh oh. Magic underwear man doxed me.

            Your powers of deduction are impressive. I simply can’t allow you to waste them here when so many crimes are going unsolved.

            GO GO! For the good of the city!

            1. Weak. You lose.

              1. I don’t mind being declared a loser by a guy who worships a discredited charlatan.

                You Mormons are evil, evil creatures.

                The arrogance is what makes you dangerous. Despite believing a bunch of discredited nonsense you are never wrong!

      5. Your just like every other goddamn evil Mormon. You ignore all the bigotry I encountered in Utah. I’m either lying or they weren’t Mormon. They were all LDS. They’re scum like you.

        Fat traitor Mormon scum.

        1. You really have not encountered scum like me. I tend to leave a mark.

          1. So fatty Mormons like you do leave skid marks on your pagan garments…

            I’ve always been curious.

            1. Feel free to come visit. I can can pop out that dent in your skull from when your mom dropped you as a child. I just have to make a hole to get the hook in…

              1. If I’m ever in shithole redneck Texas I’ll let you know traitor.

                Anti-American scum.

  72. “this is on Biden, and it will leave an indelible stain on his presidency.”
    In 8 short months, Biden’s presidency is leaving an indelible stain on America, that will last forever.

    1. 8 short months? Try 120 yrs.!

      But seriously, between Bush, Obama, Trump, and Biden, pricisely one of them has been on this ride start to, if there is one, finish.

  73. On the plus side, the Afghanistan disaster has made Reason finally stop talking about Hunter Biden’s latest laptop scandal.

    Oh, wait….

    1. That’s where all of Biden’s Afghan intel was stored.

    2. They devoted more ink to the Bush daughters have margaritas while underage.

  74. Maybe they can assign the troops to patrol a different war zone, much closer to home, on the shore of Lake Michigan.

    https://chicago.suntimes.com/crime/2021/8/16/22626709/weekend-shootings-gun-violence-across-chicago

    No, that’s a bad idea too.

    1. Why a bad idea? It would at least give Americans a chance at acquiring some military-grade hardware. We’ve been paying trillions of dollars for it, why should Islamic terrorists be the only ones that get to play with it?

    2. Shouldn’t have clicked the link. 7 year old shot and killed,6 year old sister in critical condition. Just fucking depressing.

  75. Did the Taliban members that stormed the US embassy confirmed to be carrying a COVID before they entered?

  76. Clearly what Kabul needs are social workers deployed to talk to the Taliban about their feelings and why they are backwards 12th century cretins. Maybe talk about how they were raised. This really should take care of it all. #defundtheevacuation

  77. You know who else had a DOWNFALL many years in the making?

  78. Who gives a shit what faction of towelheads runs Kabul? Can we just agree we don’t want them here? What’s that, you want to top off our failed occupation by inviting the towelheads here?

  79. rip poor people . Taliban You’re a demon หวยหุ้น

  80. Withdrawing made sense, but how did we manage to leave over 10,000 Americans behind? And the vetted translators etc who are now marked for death? And in what world does it make sense to leave helicopters to the Taliban?

    Somebody at some level totally F’d up. Given how professional our military is, our generals ought to have been able to orchestrate an *orderly* withdrawal with women and children first (and other civilians).

    I look forward to a future Reason Magazine hindsight article that soberly picks apart how it all went wrong, but without the demagoguery coming from Fox News.

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