Surveillance

Apple Will Start Checking Your Messages for Dick Pics

For the children, of course

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Apple has seemingly capitulated to some degree in the encryption wars. This week, the company announced it will be implementing tools that will scan everybody's iPhone and iPad messages for porn (and especially underage porn), all for the sake of protecting the children.

The new systems announced this week may seem innocuous, but only to those who have not paid any attention to how tech surveillance systems can be abused.

There are a few main components to this week's announcement. First, Apple will be scanning photos on people's devices when they attempt to upload them to iCloud to see if they match known images of child pornography. If the scan comes up positive, the image will be reviewed by a person, and if it contains child porn, the account will be disabled and the report will be sent to the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children. There is an appeal process if Apple is mistaken.

Apple promises that nobody will actually be snooping on your photos unless there's a computer match via a complex cryptographic technological program designed to keep tabs on child porn images that circulate on the internet. Apple claims there's "less than a one in one trillion chance per year of incorrectly flagging a given account."

The second component seems a lot more expansive. Apple will be adding tools to its messaging app to warn children when somebody is texting them sexually explicit photos. In order for that to work, Apple's messages will use "machine learning to analyze image attachments and determine if a photo is sexually explicit." Apple says that this scan is designed so that nobody at Apple actually gets access to the messages.

The announcement of these new scanning systems has got privacy alarms ringing everywhere, and experts are warning about the very serious potential for abuse. The privacy-oriented Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) describes these new scans as a "shocking about-face for users who have relied on the company's leadership in privacy and security."

Apple has been extremely resistant to efforts by the federal government to add back doors to end-to-end encryption on its devices. This encryption keeps third parties (like Apple) from accessing data passed between users. The Department of Justice famously got into a legal spat with Apple over trying to force the company to unlock a phone and provide access to data of one of the terrorists responsible for the mass shooting in San Bernardino in 2015. Apple representatives have explained (as have many, many privacy and tech experts) that "back doors" that bypass device encryptions cannot be devised in such a way that only the "proper authorities" can get access to the data. Once there's a way to get through encryption, any number of bad actors—be they criminals or corrupt, authoritarian governments—will be able to figure out how to get through it.

These new tools are essentially a form of encryption bypassing, though it perhaps doesn't look like it because Apple employees won't be looking at most of the images unless scans for child porn trigger review.

But to be clear, this is an encryption back door of sorts. Apple will be using tech to scan the contents of your images when you are either uploading them for storage or messaging minors. And while this is all in the service of fighting child exploitation and abuse, there is absolutely no reason why anybody should believe that it will end here. EFF notes:

All it would take to widen the narrow backdoor that Apple is building is an expansion of the machine learning parameters to look for additional types of content, or a tweak of the configuration flags to scan, not just children's, but anyone's accounts. That's not a slippery slope; that's a fully built system just waiting for external pressure to make the slightest change. Take the example of India, where recently passed rules include dangerous requirements for platforms to identify the origins of messages and pre-screen content. New laws in Ethiopia requiring content takedowns of "misinformation" in 24 hours may apply to messaging services. And many other countries—often those with authoritarian governments—have passed similar laws. Apple's changes would enable such screening, takedown, and reporting in its end-to-end messaging. The abuse cases are easy to imagine: governments that outlaw homosexuality might require the classifier to be trained to restrict apparent LGBTQ+ content, or an authoritarian regime might demand the classifier be able to spot popular satirical images or protest flyers.

EFF notes that "mission creep" is already taking place. The tech used to scan child pornographic images is being used to create a database of what is defined as "terrorist" content so that it can be blocked from being published online. EFF notes that social media platforms have been, intentionally or not, flagging and removing critical content that has misclassified any sort of documentation of violence as "terrorism."

If the American government attempted to implement scanning systems like this, it would most certainly be understood as an unconstitutional warrantless search. It would violate the Fourth Amendment for the U.S. to scan all our images as we share them to make sure, in advance, they aren't pornographic.

Apple, of course, is a private company and so we do not have the same protections with the data we provide to them. We also know that countries across the world, including the United States, England, and Australia, have been constantly flogging this fear of child pornography as an excuse to try to pressure companies like Apple to compromise our privacy in ways that would probably be ruled illegal if the government itself did it.

Apple seems to have blinked here, and it's unfortunate. This is most certainly a "camel's nose under the tent" moment. What Apple's doing now is designed to appear unobjectionable. But it's creating a framework for serious abuse of surveillance tools down the road.

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  1. Won’t the person who has to view the pr0n be scared for life? What a dangerous job!

    1. Seems like any software that could identify inappropriate pics could automatically pixelate or black out the naughty bits entirely without human intervention.

      Not saying the government should be able to tell Apple what to do, but that would be a far less invasive approach.

      1. Maybe this is part of a new Captcha-Apple endeavor.

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        2. I’m a big time techy and my recommend is to NEVER use iCloud or anyone cloud for your files. Microsoft tries at every turn to get you to put your files on their One Cloud. Google does the same thing. No matter what their policy is currently, they WILL change it. It WILL get more draconian over time. They WILL take more liberties with your data over time.

          Getting rid of child porn is a good thing but this is the wrong way to do it and it is a clear slippery slope and surely other political and legal causes will be the next great reasons for them to debase their privacy policy even more. The problem is, if your files are already there, you are done.

          The moral is, their privacy policy and commitment means NOTHING. They will change it at any time they want. It’s like playing poker with people who change the rules while the hand is being played and we are being played.

          1. The only thing these drives are good for are things completely innocuous or for transferring large files too big for e-mail. Every other benefit can be given by a proper, encrypted backup by a dedicated company.

      2. … automatically pixelate or black out the naughty bits entirely without human intervention.
        Then it’s no longer pr0n.

        1. Tell that to Japan.

      3. Would it only warn of dick pics or would it also warn of p*ssy pics, titty pics, bare ass pics, democrat president pics(tho I suppose that would be included in dick pics) or other similar pornographic pics.??

        1. Yeah, to do otherwise would be both sexist and transphobic.

      4. I get it. Believe me, I do. The problem is that people are amazingly good at circumventing computer algorithms. Even a layman knows to write d1ck instead of dick on a typical message board.

        So you could be doing something that will yield very minimal benefits.

        1. So you could be doing something that will yield very minimal benefits.

          They’re already doing a lot of work for minimal benefits, my idea was to do less work for roughly the same amount of benefits (and maybe a little more).

          Additionally, while ‘d1ck’ and ‘pr0n’ circumvent simple algorithms, imaging algorithms actually require you to obfuscate the subject. Child pornographers could still send encrypted or stegoed photos back and forth to each other (like they can under this scheme), but who would send a dick pic if the recipient isn’t actually going to necessarily/knowingly see a dick?

        2. There’s also the TV production company called DIC… creepily enough announced in a kid’s voice.

      5. “automatically pixelate or black out the naughty bits”

        Mommy, why did the Washington Monument turn black?

        1. “I donno, honey! Hold my latte while me and your cuck daddy watch.”

    2. They find that the worst violators came from states that rank high on corruption indices. The average Kuwaiti diplomat, for example, had 246 unpaid tickets in 1998.

    3. Now damnit! First XTube goes belly up, now this! Is the Internet really forever or not??? Asking for many friends!

  2. The Department of Justice famously got into a legal spat with Apple over trying to force the company to unlock a phone and provide access to data of one of the terrorists responsible for the mass shooting in San Bernardino in 2015.

    A minor quibble: the couple were not terrorists. They were Muslims, not Republicans.

    1. Couldn’t they be all of the above, Muslims, Republicans, and Terrorists? Very possible with this Abraham Accords thing where Trump thought that anybody can be your friend with the right “deal.”

  3. If the American government attempted to implement scanning systems like this, it would most certainly be understood as an unconstitutional warrantless search.

    Because the phones and privacy of SCOTUS will be impervious to government snooping and extortion in exchange for the proverbial rubber stamp.

    Wishful thinking, Reason.

  4. Yeah I’m sure the 16yo is really gonna care about that warning that his GF is sending nudes.

    Comparing hashses against known illegal pictures, videos, to catch chomo’s is one thing, and is already being done. Scanning teens phones for their nudes is creepy and something only a creep would come up with.

    Also you shouldn’t be surrendering your data to the cloud anyway. Not when Apple or Amazon or whatever will ban you for saying a man is a man and a woman is a woman, or surrender to the leftist mob because you disagreed with them on twitter

    1. How are you scanning against known illegal media if you’re not *illegally* entering people’s datastores?

      1. because hashes are created of known imagery that is illegal. If someone shares a beheading video, abuse of a kid, etc, or if someone is found with that after they are arrested, etc.

        Saw some story of someone sending CP through gmail and gmail knew that the imagine hash was of one already discovered to be that

      2. Apple is a company and doesn’t have to care about “legality” because muh free enterprise.

  5. I recall an episode of Silicon Valley were one of the characters quit for a new job and ended up spending his time sorting pictures of hotdogs and dicks to help machine learning differentiate the two.

    I don’t know of the 4channers still do this sort of thing but it sure would be their sort of fun to send untold hotdog spam and screw with Apple’s system.

    1. Hot dog, not hot dog.

  6. Last I heard Apple is a private company and free to do whatever the fuck they want. That’s the libertarian view according to Reason.

    1. You’re free to switch to Samsung. Nobody’s holding a gun to your head and forcing you to use Apple products.

      1. Screetch thinks others won’t do the same. Pathetic.

      2. I don’t have an iphone or a twitter account or a facebook page and I don’t use chrome. I’m not saying that government should somehow intervene. I just think libertarians should oppose surveillance and censorship whether by state or private actors. Reason has chosen to mostly defend the oligarchs on private property grounds and 1A. I get that. But liberty involves a lot more than the US constitution spells out. The constitution as currently interpreted hasn’t done jack shit for individual liberty in the last 18 months.

      3. Hey sarcasmuc, was Apple spying on you part of the deal when you bought your phone or activated your cloud storage years ago?

      4. The same Samsung that listens in on you via your TV, just like in 1984?

    2. It still is the libertarian view. That doesn’t mean all businesses are always right, that view comes from old school conservatives, but it does mean we shouldn’t be clamoring for Big Government to “deal with” Big Business. Because as scary as you think Apple may be, the US government is much much scarier. With Apple we tell them to fuck off and go to Google. With the US government we’re just screwed.

      1. According to conservatives any company that does any government bidding is de-facto government. So now Apple an arm of the government, just like Facebook and Twitter.

        1. According to conservatives any company that does any government bidding is de-facto government.

          It’s not just conservatives. Doing someone else’s bidding is what ‘an agent of’ and ‘acting on their behalf’ means. It’s hardly just conservatives that think “I was just collecting a paycheck and following orders.” isn’t a valid defense.

          Oh, my mistake, I forgot that you’re so transcendentally apolitical that the ‘both sides!’ argument is a forgone conclusion with you. Weird how once you ascend to that level you make explicitly partisan comments when it’s obvious that both sides, as well as many people not on any side, believe and engage in the practice. It’s almost like you haven’t transcended anything and are just a lying sack of shit.

          1. Oh come on. The last few weeks have been full of conservatives calling for Facebook and Twitter to be treated as arms of the government. Or maybe you weren’t paying attention.

            1. Incorrect, of course you would not pay attention closely enough.

              Go ahead, be a slave of the state and big tech. Nobody here cares enough, screetch.

            2. Glad you’re back to full troll mode. It does things like letting you ignore Prof Volokh citicing precedence from the 9th circuit over the very same legal issue. Not really a conservative circuit.

              I mean why bother learning things or reading a 19 page CDC justification on evictions when you can just blame conservatives instead.

            3. Oh and I do enjoy how you claiming that asking SV to only have extended legal protections if they protect free speech makes them an arm of the government.

              It seems to be what the idiots have settled on for rationalizing private corporations working in collusion with democrats. So you have that going for you.

        2. You claim to read books. Read some books on fascism and corporate capture by government through funding.

          1. Sarcasmic’s a little fascist anyway, so he probably would just think that they’re really good ideas.

        3. I’m not sure if they’re an arm of the socialist govt but they certainly are the propaganda arm of it.

      2. That doesn’t mean all businesses are always right, that view comes from old school conservatives

        When you say “old school conservatives” do you mean ‘old shool’ like when Microsoft lost their antitrust case under the Bush Administration, when the Sherman Antitrust Act passed under Benjamin Harrison’s Administration, or when Lincoln was jailing members of the copperhead press?

        1. Shoot. Forgot to mention that Sherman himself was a Republican.

          1. And the guy who got Lincoln to go along with making war on civilians.
            His forces followed a “scorched earth” policy, destroying military targets as well as industry, infrastructure, and civilian property.
            Sherman’s decision to operate deep within enemy territory and without supply lines is considered to be one of the major campaigns of the war, and is considered by some historians to be an early example of modern total war.

            1. Different Sherman, the Sherman anti-trust act was General Sherman’s brother.

              1. Applying scorched-earth strategy to a new area.

      3. “It still is the libertarian view”

        The fuck it is.
        The libertarian view is that nobody, not a church, social club, government or corporation should try and silence people, burn books, censor thought or spy on you. If some church was doing what Facebook does to people, you’d be calling it an insidious cult.

        1. If some church was doing what Facebook does to people, you’d be calling it an insidious cult.

          *I’d* be calling it an insidious cult.

      4. Apple didn’t just volunteer one day to start scanning everyone’s images and turning them over to the Feds for the agents who volunteered to check out your daughter’s pictures. The government has been pressuring them to “cooperate” with law enforcement, for the good of the children. Or else.

      5. What I find most interesting is that to do this, Apple is going to have to be in possession of the largest (?) child porn collection. That’s taking “it’s a private company” a bit far, even for this rag.

    3. Last I heard Apple is a private company and free to do whatever the fuck they want.

      But they aren’t “free to do whatever they want”; they don’t want this, the government is forcing them to do this.

      That’s the libertarian view according to Reason.

      Reason is not a libertarian magazine anymore; Reason advocates for technocracy and progressivism, they just differ on a few policies from mainstream progressives.

    4. The other actions taken by silicon valley the last few months..

      July 26, a consortium of tech companies including Facebook, Google, Microsoft, Twitter, Reddit, Verizon, Airbnb, and Mailchimp announced it would shift the focus of their joint counter-terrorism program, the Global Internet Forum to Counter Terrorism (GIFCT).

      Previously dedicated to tracking Islamic extremists, the coalition would now focus its attention on material shared online by “white supremacists” and “far-right militias.”

      The next day, PayPal, the leading online payments processor, announced a partnership with the far-left Anti-Defamation League to uncover and disrupt payment flows to those who are allegedly profiting from, according to Reuters, “antisemitism, Islamophobia, racism, anti-immigrant, anti-Black, anti-Hispanic and anti-Asian bigotry.”

      Of course the democrats and these companies tie and accuse all non subservient conservatives as associated with these groups. It includes religious groups, groups like the FRC, and even libertarian groups.

      This is nothing but coordinated censorship. But the left leaning big Ls here seem to be just fine with it. Including when they collude with government.

      It takes a complete degree of ignorance to not see the mirror tracking of the rise of authoritarian states and these actions.

      1. Synchrony Bank has taken control over paypal and many other large credit organizations. It controls a large percent of credit companies and it dictates what their business plans are.

      2. Indeed. No mention of other terrorist groups such as Black Lives Matter or ANTIFA, both of whom are responsible for billions in damage, looting, loss of lives and arson .
        Soon, though it will be unlawful to criticize St. Fauci.

  7. This is not occurring in a vacuum. Remember, the White House recently announced that in addition to scrubbing social media like Twitter, Facebook and YouTube of “misinformation” at their direction, the telephone carriers will be working with them to identify “misinformation” being sent via text messages…. Removing violating information before it can be read.

    1. Nate The Lawyer published a video analyzing the oft repeated claims of Meghan Rapino and the US women’s soccer team that they are paid less than the men. Using court documents he detailed their claims and what the evidence from the case shows.

      YouTube put a “misinformation” flag on his video, linking to an “authoritative” source where you can get the real facts from the Washington Post.

      5 years ago when conservatives were complaining about “shadow banning” the Libertarian press called them cranks and said they were making stuff up without any proof, but even if they were, no big deal. Any argument that you might be next was a slippery slope fallacy.

      Well…. Turns out that slope is pretty damned slippery. Even a Democrat, left libertarian adjacent black former police officer lawyer who is literally reading from a court decision and court filings is labeled misinformation.

      1. Yeah I saw that vid. The women were offered the exact same contract as the men and turned it down. Now they’re claiming gender discrimination. You can’t make this shit up.

        1. But idiots above like sarcasmic can freely believe and cite it.

      2. The fun thing about that video was that the women might have made more under the men’s contract (but lost all their benefits) BUT the men would have made more under the women’s contract.

  8. Oh, come on Scott! They’re a private company! If you want to be able to have your e-mail not get snooped on, you can just go out and start your own cell phone company. Easy-peasy! If you have any problem at all with Apple doing this, you have absolutely no respect for their freedom of association!

  9. I have to blame Nokia. Microsoft infiltrated them and killed their smartphone project. Smartphones that would compete with both Apple and Google. Smartphones that were a partnership of many disparate corporations. Smartphones whose major components were open.

    With a year and a half Nokia went from THE major cellphone company to being ancient history. So now all we have left are two smartphone manufacturers who have demonstrated time and again that they genuflect in the direction of Big Government.

    p.s. Granted, Nokia was pro Big Government too. But at least it was the Finnish government, not quite as scary a world power as the US and China.

    1. Yeah but. The Finns are white supremacists. They’ve been marrying their cousins for centuries to maintain their Aryan bloodline. I’m not buying their racist phone.

    2. I’m not sure that was an intentional crash of a potential Google / Apple competitor as much as just typical Microsoft Levels of Competence.

  10. Apple’s messages will use “machine learning to analyze image attachments and determine if a photo is sexually explicit.”

    My smoldering good looks will trigger this machine every time.

      1. 403 forbidden.

    1. aols’ “doesn’t agree with our community standards””

  11. governments that outlaw homosexuality might require the classifier to be trained to restrict apparent LGBTQ+ content

    Sure, they’ll drop you off a roof for being gay, but at least you’ll be able to watch gay porn on the way down.

  12. Into the mix of private corporations coordinating with government entities to monitor private communications, we also have the specter of foreign governments controlling the US media.

    It turns out that many US outlets were being paid millions by the Chinese government to write stories at their direction. Where did the “covid did not escape from a lab” narrative come from? Apparently not the DNC. China paid places like the NYT to write that.

    How is the NYT responding?

    After scrubbing their website of all the articles in question, they turn their coverage here

    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/09/business/media/china-beijing-coronavirus-media.html

    Oh, look! China is planting stories all over the world to combat CNN and the BBC. (No mention of US outlets).

    Remember when you could tell the difference between the Soviets and the Americans?

  13. They’ll be checking? Well hell, obviously I’m going to have to put some dick pics on my phone!

  14. One upshot is that transitioning teens will have to get approval from Apple to send pictures of their affliction to a doctor.

  15. Screetch above wants you to know that you can buy Samsung. The same company that makes military weapons but clearly has no interest in working with the authorities to scan your device.

    He also denied that dems were working with big tech, and then accused conservatives of it. Screetch is a fucking liar.

  16. And if you don’t put photos on your phone or send texts, that will be “proof” that you’re guilty of something.

  17. Dick pics aren’t porn. Last I checked porn had to provide some kind of arousal. I don’t know anyone that wants dic pics.

    Dick pics are comedy. Why does Apple hate comedy?

    1. Maybe your dick. There’s nothing funny about mine.

      1. I heard it was just sad.

        1. “…a thick, veiny, triumphant bastard.”

          #superbad

    2. Back when only 4000 people voted for the Libertarian party ticket, Denmark shocked the Baptist, Quaker and Methodist White terror by legalizing French postcard pictures. Then, as now, instead of plucking their own offending eye, they whine for men with guns to blow on it and make it better.

      1. You’re a special kind of moronic weirdo.

  18. This is going to be a big problem for so many politicians, I have no idea how they will survive this. Everybody knows our ruling overlords generate the most porn and dic pics.

    1. Different rules for the ruling classes and the plebs.

    2. Why do you think they’re trying to get rid of Cuomo now?

  19. Apple CEO Tim Cook is gay so maybe he just wants an easy way to find what he wants. Perhaps a size queen…
    “Siri, find me long, girthy and uncut.”

    1. Tim Cook is wealthy enough, he can have home delivery of whatever turns him on every night.

      But Tim Cook isn’t sex obsessed, he’s a dull, shriveled up workaholic with a penchant for authoritarian government.

      1. …and the hammer.

    2. Apple is Orwell’s “most useful dog.”

  20. >>to see if they match known images of child pornography

    whose fucking job is that? ick.

    1. my roommate does content review, but luckily that stuff goes to a separate department (and beheadings, etc). They need constant counseling, etc. That’s got to be one of the worst jobs out there

      1. no gracias.

      2. Some Police SVU departments are only allowed short rotations through the unit because of how it destroys the people investigating the crimes.

    2. Jared’s Buttplug filling out an Apple job application.

  21. Apple has seemingly capitulated to some degree in the encryption wars. This week, the company announced it will be implementing tools that will scan everybody’s iPhone and iPad messages for porn (and especially underage porn), all for the sake of protecting the children.

    By the way, this doesn’t sound anywhere near as creepy as it would have in 2019.

    1. Apple press release from 2025:
      Apple is announcing that its iVote app will no longer allow users to vote for Republican or Libertarian candidates.
      Apple is also auditing reports that iVote allowed for millions of additional votes to be cast last year for Cuomo-Harris. Being a publicly-held private company, Apple will review the findings with it’s Board of Directors and make any necessary improvements.

      1. Looky there! A Gee-Oh-Pee scat flinger trying to associate libertarians with brainwashed republican nationalsocialists. THAT is a smear job that stinks even from upwind of it. The FuehrerTrumpen actually did that in their 2016 platform, yet Gary tripled the vote share just the same. With friends like zeese…

        1. Of course the democrats and these companies tie and accuse all non subservient conservatives as associated with these groups. It includes religious groups, groups like the FRC, and even libertarian groups.

          He may not think these groups are in any way related. He may not even want them to even be considered as being related. Neither of those matter because other people will lump them together and ban them as they have done in the past. Much the same way they lumped a Jew like Ben Shapiro in with Neo-Nazis and Blacks and Mexican-Americans in with White Supremacist groups. There are no Libertarians and Republicans from the other side of the aisle. There are only people who will obey and people who won’t.

        2. With Nazis like you, who needs enemas?

  22. If the scan comes up positive, the image will be reviewed by a person, and if it contains child porn, the account will be disabled and the report will be sent to the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children. There is an appeal process if Apple is mistaken.

    Something something outsourcing something agents of the state something. Something private corporation, doing whatever it wants something.

    1. The irony is that NCMEC is funded by the government, so it’s being outsourced to the government.

    2. What happens when the person gets lazy and just clicks OK without looking at the image?

  23. Remember when the internet was supposed to make it so… yeah, not even going to finish the thought.

    1. yeah, not even going to finish the thought.

      Oh great! Now I’ll never know if you were gonna finish that sentence with ” it’s impossible for tyrants to tyrannize.” or ” you could look any porn that falls under rule 34 any time you like.”!

      1. Rule 34, most recent example = littlefoot and ducky in a 69

        1. #trevormoore

    2. Some people were way to optimistic. Tech makes it EASIER for governments to control the population. Let me know how difficult it is for King Richard to find a Hermit in 100 acres of wood vs the government to find me in 100 acres of suburbs?

  24. If the American government attempted to implement scanning systems like this, it would most certainly be understood as an unconstitutional warrantless search. It would violate the Fourth Amendment for the U.S. to scan all our images as we share them to make sure, in advance, they aren’t pornographic.

    Do you seriously think that Apple is doing this because it’s in their private interest as a corporation? Do you think Tim Cook woke up one day and said to himself “let’s see whether we can destroy our hard work on appearing to be more privacy conscious than the other guys by announcing that we are going to scan all of our users’ photos”? How naive can you be?

    The government likely has been pressuring and threatening companies to do this. You can bet that Google, Amazon, and Facebook are doing this too, they just don’t talk about it. You can bet that all the major online services are scanning your E-mail and messages for keywords and notify the authorities if anything gets triggered. That’s also why the Biden administration was recently suggesting to “counter misinformation in text messages”.

    1. That doesn’t make it ok. Tim Cook should tell Biden to go fuck himself. Them he should send a picture or his dick to Bidens iphone.

      1. I meant “of his dick” not “or his dick”

      2. I didn’t say it “made it OK”. To the contrary, I’m pointing out that Shackford’s analysis is absurd.

  25. They’re going to get alerts every time Jeff Bezos launches his rocket.

  26. https://www.apple.com/child-safety/

    It sounds like they don’t scan images on the cloud, they scan them for matches on your device, and encrypts the result in such a way that they can’t read the encrypted data sent to the cloud, but they can tell if there was a match.

    Since people need to decrypt their own data on the device, I don’t think this opens a new back door to encryption.

    If the government wants to get into decrypted device data, then I think they’ll have to do what they’ve been asking for the whole time. At that point, I think our security will have a big hole, regardless of what this service does right now.

    1. The government can tell whether you’re Jewish from space. It may not be able to get around the 4th amendment in a court of law, but freedom from technological intrusion is never going to be a thing ever again. At least not until you people reduce us to sticks and grunts.

      1. You’re a ducking retard. Go back to your glory hole.

    2. so totes okay then, they’re just reading your personal phone

    3. NCMEC is funded by the government. They report to the government. Apple’s partnership is with the government, indirectly.

      Expect none of these cases to survive the courtroom.

  27. Thank goodness in a free market we can all get rid of those nasty Apple phones and switch to Android, run by that freedom loving company Google.

    1. What’s that, you’re installing curtains in your home? What crimes are you committing behind those?

  28. Why is the title specific with “Dick Pics” considering women send nudes all the time, including Pussy Pics? There are also female predators (look at how many articles about these incidents there are where many have sent pussy pics to underage boys). I think just generalizing it as nude or sexually explicit pics would encompass all and not be so one sided.

    1. As mentioned above, dick pics don’t exactly mean ‘pictures of male genitals’ as much as a more the general ‘unsolicited or unwanted pornographic images’. Similar to how ‘Netflix and chill’ or ‘Do you want some coffee?‘ (in a certain tone) doesn’t mean actually watching Netflix or drinking coffee.

      Decades ago, when ‘bitch’ was suddenly derrogatory to the female gender as a whole rather than just derrogatory to the recipient, I would point out that nobody gave two shits about the gender ‘You motherfucker!’ was “targeting”.

      Obligatory: It’s the 21st Century. Women have penises now. And if you think nobody, but nobody wants a cis-male dick pic…

    2. where many have sent pussy pics to underage boys)
      where were all these women when I was an underage boy. please, please consider me underage.

      1. When I was an underage boy, they’d have had to take a Polaroid and send it by USPS mail. Never happened, damn it. I could only steal Dad’s Playboys.

        But my three grandsons (now young adults) have never complained about receiving unsolicited pussy pics. The only complaint – ones girlfriend took a dick pic of him and posted it on social media without his consent. It’s not clear if he’s complaining about that getting too much attention or no attention.

  29. For the urologists, of course.

  30. What about grownups with kid dicks? Asking for Ken Schultz.

    1. Been sending him a lot of pictures of your junk?

      1. Only because he wants to know what pubes look like.

        1. Wow, I was just jokingly conjecturing, I didn’t need you to confirm the conjecture.

          1. You and I both know Ken is still on Blackberry.

            1. now that part was funny

    2. When you close your eyes, it is ok that you pretend you are Ken.

      1. nope, progressives never fantasize about having command of facts and logic, they see them as the obstacle

  31. As usual, the first thing censored will be child porn and terrorist propaganda, and inevitably it will encompass any criticism of the Party’s point of view.

    1. I don’t think the Terrorist Child Porn party is going to get many votes in any case.

      1. Democrats don’t need votes, they print their own ore Cuomo,Reed ballots as needed.

  32. Not only does the emperor have no clothes but also a blurred out penis.

    1. Is this really the mound you want to die on?

      1. Tony, you are an idiot.

  33. “Apple Will Start Checking Your Messages for Dick Pics”

    But pussy pics will still be okay? Asking for a friend.

    1. Yes, pics of Tony are still allowed.

  34. We’re screwed. All of us.
    And yes, you too.

  35. Apple products in the chipper.

  36. What’s great about free markets.
    It may take time; but ‘Big Tech’ players will loose their mountain.
    It wasn’t that long ago that Apple was almost a thing of the past.

    WHO will be the next ‘Big Tech’ player Billionaire. Stunts like this is the opportunity door knocking for anyone willing to *create*/*earn* the Billion they’re so envious of.

    1. The time of competitive startups is over. Companies like Apple, Google, Microsoft, Amazon, Facebook, etc. buy their startup competitors before they become a threat. And those companies have their fingers in everything. Also, those companies have ensured an increasingly high cost of entry into tech markets, if not by other means, then by ensuring that software tools and standards are unnecessarily complex and bloated.

      1. Yeah, engineers used to have to decide between working for a big company for a steady paycheck and good benefits, or working longer hours for a startup with the chance of hitting it rich or being out of work in 6 months.

        Now the big companies like Google, Facebook, Apple, etc. pay the highest salaries, and have the best benefits, and are more secure, and still give you a pile of RSUs. The advantage to working at a startup is only to avoid the big tech monoculture, or to get to work on the really interesting stuff right away.

  37. Seems like an intersection between shot detectors adjusting algorithms for positive results and Google firing people for improperly accessing user information – mostly for attractive people. Hopefully there won’t be a Marine United via Apple.

  38. Apple has never been on the users’ side, the refusal in the San Bernadino case notwithstanding. Apple exists for one purpose, making money, thus the use of slave labor and sweatshop labor. Apple is not a privacy-friendly company because of a single action.

  39. Human trafficking panic. The prison-industrial-government complex needs something to replace the drug war as it winds down.

    Good intentions to protect children, but most of the enforcement will crack down on teenagers uploading their own risque photos, allowing the local cops who volunteered to check the photos to pass them around the station.

  40. Here’s an interesting video of what happened when they tried to blast a pedophile into space.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/InterdimensionalCable/comments/lz15jc/brass_eye_paedophile_blasted_into_space/

  41. I had this conversation with my 8th graders teacher about searching his phone. In an instance where a private citizen is looking through pictures on a 13 year old private data, and they come across a lewd picture of said 13 year old. Are they not breaking the law by viewing child pornography? Sheila in HR at apple could be committing a crime simply by thumbing through these photos because she is in possession, so could apple by isolating and viewing said photos.

    1. But Apple doesn’t look at the pictures. They just scan them against whatever the government tells them to scan for, then turns them over to the authorities so the cops can look at your kids’ pictures.

  42. Hearing more about Apple’s tech, it’s far worse than it looks initially.

    First, they are not looking for child **** among your photographs. What they are actually doing is scanning all images against signatures supplied to them by third parties like governments and other organizations. It looks like given the way the technology works, Apple couldn’t tell what those signatures are for even if they wanted to. And if you think about, as a private company, Apple can’t legally be in possession of matching photographs and can’t legally look at those photographs.

    There is no “slippery slope” here: Apple has jumped off a cliff on privacy.

    1. Yup, give a stated reason that most people would hesitate to argue against, then don’t mention the details. Or the fact that the cops will be the ones checking your 16 and 17 year old kids’ phones once Apple flags the pictures for them.

      Or when the Chinese/DC government decides to look for pictures of people visiting the Capitol building, or demonstrating in Hong Kong, or having pictures of guns, or whatever is deemed off limits….

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  44. Wait, Apple can check my dick for messages from a cloud? This newfangled technology really has me confused.

  45. After scanning our phones for all these private lives of ours down to our x rated photo lol a lot of you. I am going to android because this absolutely violates my right to my own privacy in my own phone I bought with my own money. No one should ever have their photos scanned in their own phone they payed for with their own money. Who also puts their own credit card
    On their own iCloud account they they personally paid with their own credit card. I’m moving to Samsung Global and Andriod and literally smashing my old and current iPhone I don’t care if I paid using my own money. Sorry Apple your out of my life after being with you for 10 years. Goodbye also anyone who agrees also purge and scrub your iCloud and transfer your stuff to google cloud apps or cloud apps based in Switzerland and get rid of any iPhone devices and services and let apple loose many of thousands of iPhone and iPad users in the US. Watch late this year their quarterly earnings will absolutely dive i guarantee you. There asking for loosing their most valued customers even though their is a tag or hash out into your photos is absurd and having their technology really mess the wrong people up. Their asking for May class action lawsuits for the scanning of iMessage photos too. Your making one of your worst decisions right now in apple history.

    1. It’s worse than that. Apple isn’t looking for X rated photos. What Apple is looking for is whether there are any images on your phone that some third party deems as hateful or illegal.

      China and Germany use this technology directly for finding people speaking out against the government and throw them in jail.

      Apple couldn’t stop this even if they wanted to. All they are doing is matching signatures. They have no idea what those signatures are for.

    2. Google and Samsung don’t encrypt your photos; they are likely already scanning them directly on the server. That’s even worse.

      Apple is doing client side scanning because they (supposedly) encrypt your images.

  46. I just bought the top top top of the line galaxy fold Z $1500 so I gave to Samsung and getting rid of my iPhone pro max and using a hammer now and a galaxy note 10 + 5G with 512 GB for another $1400. So apple. See ya.

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  47. ….Apple claims there’s “less than a one in one trillion chance per year of incorrectly flagging a given account.”….

    ==>that is possibly the most spectacularly dumbest thing I’ve ever heard. Are American’s so gullible that kind of preposterous statement can stand?

    1. I give you 2020 – – – – – – – – – –

  48. Cloud apps based in Switzerland are the most secure servers in the world with the most restrictive laws for Privacy because Swiss law also prevents any other country in the world for a subpoena say from US government orders to produce any info at all. All their servers are based on a military base in bunkers and because they don’t belong to the EU which changed their privacy laws. Switzerland is the best country for any country to use their cloud services because law enforcement can’t and will never be able to obtain a warrant for you or your documents or whatnot. Switzerland is then only country that purges your info once you upload to their servers. Also for email with absolutely the most tip grade security is using the Switzerland based company swissmail and swissmail apps for communication it needs to have other users use the safeswiss servers for absolute security. Get rid of WhatsApp abs you’ll be glad your using safeswiss for being complexly private with no being snooped on. I use a vpn based out of Switzerland too. It’s just me being cautious because of surveillance going on and Switzerland based cloud apps and communication apps are what I suggest to be user. Any app you can find from Switzerland use it. That’s your best bet for the absolute security in the world. It’s safe secure and law enforcement proof and government proof. Just when you use safeswiss communication apps make sure you tell your other user to sign up. There’s no identifying info you put in. It’s all based on a user name and just a password. And then you connect to Switzerland servers based in military bunkers and WhatsApp will be obsolete. This is a hidden secret to the most private and sensitive info is using Switzerland for app or cloud. Turn off auto backup in iPhone settings so that way nothing else is being uploaded. Doesn’t matter if most of us are normal everyday law abiding citizens it’s best to turn ide auto backup for now then transfer you stuff to a Switzerland cloud based service. This is something most of US users need to do is switch to any cloud or communication based apps in Switzerland do not use any other cloud based apps for uploading photos or documents unless it’s in Switzerland. Switzerland is your diamond to privacy and law enforcement proof and government proof where their out of power and their basically stuck besides a denied subpoena. Void-Dull subpoena. Switzerland law protects every other countries privacy at the max a law can get and the most tightest security of all in the world. Disable any other uploading functions on iCloud if send or log out of iCloud completely. Then transfer to an android and Swiss apps. Email and their messenger app with calls too. Free of charged. And you’ll see your connected to Swiss servers

    1. Cloud apps based in Switzerland are the most secure servers in the world with the most restrictive laws for Privacy because Swiss law also prevents any other country in the world for a subpoena say from US government orders to produce any info at all.

      As recent cases show, that’s clearly not the case. Swiss companies will comply with US subpoenas.

      1. Yep. The days of the vaunted Swiss privacy in banking are gone. They can, will, and have rolled over for the US gov hunting money for taxes.

  49. Wow! So many parents are going to jail! Taking videos of their newborn’s first bath or of their first tub bath with their tub toys or of their toddlers running naked on a pool deck (they love to do this, giggling all the while).

    All l can say is WTF????

    If it really goes into effect, I will simply not use my iphone for anything other than calls. More likely, I will switch to a phone other than Apple or just take pictures with a camera (what a thought). Not that I have small children anymore, but just on the principle of it all.

    Government intrusion via force or blackmail is accelerating at an exponential rate and there is nowhere to run. Luckily, my wife and I are old so, hopefully, will be gone before the totalitarians take full control. I grieve for my adult children and their progeny!

    Tanstafl

    1. Wow! So many parents are going to jail!

      According to the announcement, Apple is looking for photo signatures of known photos, not for generic content. Pictures you take with your own camera won’t (usually) triggers this; browsing the wrong web sites will. And while they frame this in terms of child ****, the technology can search for any images: memes, people, leaked government docs, etc. Apple doesn’t even know what images they are searching for or reporting to authorities; the signatures come from the government and third parties.

      1. NOYB2,
        OK, I feel so much better. What could go wrong with this policy? Government takes over our lives in dribs and drabs. They kill us with by a thousand cuts. They will blackmail Apple into this and then later change the game rules without our knowledge, for the ‘children’. Who could not want to protect the ‘children’.

        1. Government needs a hard reset, just like a smart phone.

        2. NOYB2, OK, I feel so much better.

          Well, then you are an idiot.

          Clearly, Apple searching for arbitrary pictures on behalf of third parties is a whole lot worse than looking for specific types of porn.

          They will blackmail Apple into this and then later change the game rules without our knowledge

          Didn’t you read what I wrote? They don’t need to “blackmail Apple”. Apple already is giving governments and non-profits the ability to search through your phone for arbitrary targets.

  50. What’s the difference between this and some private mail delivery company tearing up envelopes to check for adult images? What if consenting adults agreed to exchange nude pictures of themselves (not kiddie stuff)?

    What exactly do we own on these devices or platforms? I’m just about ready to support laws that require tech companies to ask my permission before they can do a thing with anything I upload onto their site. You want to sell my browsing activity and metadata to advertisers? Not without my consent.

    They can charge me a monthly or annual fee to use their services if I decline to let the sell any of my info. I would pay around….. 50 dollars a year for basic Instagram plan that lets me upload 50 photos a month. 100 dollars for unlimited capacity maybe. Oh no, some people won’t be even able to afford that. We’ll have less selfies of people showing their abs in gardens and bathrooms.

    Youtubers may have to charge subscribers. Oh no, they’ll need to come up with something other than reaction vids to Taco Bell lunch box to draw customers. Jeremy from the Quartering puts outs 12 min vids where he reads online articles. For that I’ll pay… 2 dollars a month?

  51. Has anyone warned Sullum that he should probably delete at those screenshots from Cuties.

  52. Ah, well, since I don’t have an Iphone or any cellphone at all, nor do I use Google, Facebook, Twitter or Chrome. I don’t use cloud storage, have anything to do with Apple, Amazon or any of the other popular tech companies, does this make me a person of interest?
    I wondered why state police helis were circling above my house when Pres. XhiDung was in town.
    Now I know why. If you use unapproved news sites, this make you an extremist.
    At least I’m not a dick pix.
    Real dicks are people like Cuomo, DeBlasio, Newsom, Garcetti, Hunter Biden, Mitch McConnel, Lindsay Graham, Mittens Romney and the entire Democrat party congress.

    1. True, any pictures of the aforementioned are truly dick pics.

    2. So the only good people are the illiterate fentanyl-heads of Trump country. Matt Gaetz–the moral philosopher of our time.

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  54. The problem isn’t rooting out child porn or any specific item. The problem is the normalization that companies and government are spying on our information and . The question is not if this will be abused, but how soon before it is abused and is how we prevent it.

  55. Perhaps more worrying are those unsolicited dick pics from those desperate to show you how they measure up.

    If there’s one thing worse than an unsolicited dick pic, it’s probably that same dick pic with an AR ruler next to it.

    It’s just another point of view —-> Indihome Bandung

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