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Joe Biden Says Trains Will Soon Be Almost as Fast as Planes. That's Ridiculous.

Advocates of high-speed rail have been overpromising and underdelivering for decades, but Biden just raised the bar.

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When it comes to his favorite mode of transportation, President Joe Biden apparently has a very active imagination.

"What we're really doing is raising the bar on what we can imagine," Biden said in remarks at the White House on Wednesday afternoon. "Imagine a world where you and your family can travel coast to coast without a single tank of gas on a high-speed train close to as fast as you can go across the country in a plane."

Yes, imagine that. You'll have to, because it's not likely to be something you'll ever experience in real life.

For context, the fastest speed that a train has ever achieved—not while carrying passengers, mind you, but just as an experiment—is 357 mph. Over long distances, while carrying passengers and making stops at stations, the world's speediest train is China's Beijing to Nanjing line, which runs at slightly less than 200 mph.

Meanwhile, the average speed of a commercial jet in the United States is about 500 mph.

That's not even close to being an apples-to-apples comparison. After all, planes carrying passengers used to routinely break the sound barrier (roughly 760 mph, though it varies based on atmospheric conditions), and experimental aircraft have gone far faster. Still, the world's fastest train still finishes a distant second when matched up against an average, boring Boeing 737.

In other words, "close to as fast" is doing a lot of heavy lifting in Biden's prediction about the future of transportation in America.

But the more important point has nothing to do with racing trains against planes. Biden's comments on Wednesday are part of a grand tradition of overpromising the potential of high-speed rail—though he might have set a new record for the widest gap between imagination and reality.

Such policy making is how you end up with expensive boondoggles like California's Los Angeles–San Francisco high-speed rail line that's now a Bakersfield–Merced high-speed rail line. In the 13 years since the project was first funded, the overall cost has ballooned from $33 billion to more than $100 billion even as the scope of the project has been downgraded significantly. Most Californians traveling between San Fran and L.A. will continue to fly.

It's also how you end up making decisions based more on marketing the speed of your trains than on the actual speed of your trains. When Amtrak announced in 2016 that its new fleet of Acela trains would have a higher speed of 160 mph, it was supposedly meant to provide passengers with "the experience of the future," according to Amtrak's then-president and CEO, Joe Boardman.

The only problem: There are just three short segments in the Acela corridor where trains are safely allowed to exceed 130 mph. Having trains that can go 160 mph is not the same as trains that actually go 160 mph.

And, of course, none of that is anywhere near the speed of a commercial jet.

There might be ways in which intercity trains can compete with airlines for passengers, but speed is almost certainly never going to be a selling point. Upgrading rail infrastructure might address some of the most common delays for passenger trains—like getting stuck behind a slow freight train, something that delayed Amtrak trains in 2019 by more than a million passenger minutes—so that a trip from New York to Chicago by rail doesn't take a full day. But there's simply no way a train will ever make that 1,100-mile journey in less than two hours, as planes routinely do. There is not a train on the planet capable of going that far in less than five hours while carrying passengers and making stops.

And that assumes that building a national high-speed rail network won't cost more and take longer to build than proponents say—which, as California's experience suggests, it definitely will. Determining the best way to deploy finite government spending on infrastructure upgrades requires a serious analysis of the costs and benefits of different projects—not daydreaming about how cool trains are.

But in Biden's imagination, anything is possible.

"We're going to talk about commercial aircraft flying at subsonic speeds—supersonic speeds," he said Wednesday, before suggesting that future planes would be about to "traverse the world in about an hour, travel 21,000 miles in an hour."

That's roughly 10 times faster than the fastest plane in human history.

There are two possibilities here. Either Biden is just pulling these numbers out of his butt, or the planes of the future are going to be so awesome that they make high-speed rail even more obsolete.

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302 responses to “Joe Biden Says Trains Will Soon Be Almost as Fast as Planes. That's Ridiculous.

  1. Don’t pounce on Biden too much. He thinks it’s still 1903 and planes are very slow.

    1. In fairness to Joe, he is a doddering idiot.

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      2. I like him better today than in the old days — when he was our simple, garden-variety idiot!

      3. “In fairness to Joe, he is a doddering idiot.”
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    2. Too bad we didn’t elect the other guy. You know the one who thinks there were airports in the Revolutionary War.

      1. Are you even capable of saying something bad about a Democrat?

        1. LOL, remember when I offered to say something bad about Biden, Harris, Clinton, whoever your want, on the condition you will henceforth acknowledge that I said it — and you wouldn’t agree to the deal.

          1. So you’ll only do it for an award? You won’t do it because a Democrat fucked up?

            Question answered.

            1. Reward*

        2. Isn’t saying ‘Democrat’ bad enough?

          1. It’s as bad as saying “Republican”. Both want to irresponsibly control your life, complete with unintended consequences, just in different ways.

      2. Many politicians get caught making gaffes (recall who was going to visit all 57 states). That doesn’t change the reality that Joe is not mentally viable anymore.

        1. He’s an old fart, with declining mental abilities. Trump is also an old fart, for whom it is not clear he started with much mental abilities.

          Put another way, I was doing a bothsides not a whatabout.

          1. Soooppp close. Almost were able to criticize the team you “obviously don’t belong to” without making it about your opponents.

      3. The real shame is that there were only two names on everyone’s ballot, and they had no alternative other than Biden and “the other guy”.

        Maybe all the hyperbole about having defeated some version of “Hitler” regressed Biden’s mind back to the post-WW2 era when the DC3 was the workhorse passenger plane that cruised at 150 mph (less than the speed a 737 needs to be moving to get its wheels off the ground).

        Even worse is a nomination process that somehow concluded with either of those two being seen as even worthy of consideration.

        1. Agree.

          1. I was actually trying to take a sarcastic shot at your “the other guy” remark.

            There were at least three names on everyone’s ballot for President, but far too many people have been conditioned to think that only one of those two could be “viable”. It’s amazing how hard it can be to explain to most people that if enough people rejected that paradigm, it would cease to be true.

        2. To appeal to the largest portion of he electorate, you must appeal to the lowest common denominator.

          That denominator has yet to be discovered, but they keep trying.

          1. All you need to do is pander to the half of voters who pay next zero taxes, by promising them some of the spoils from the top 20% of earners that pays 80% of income tax, but not their fair share.

      4. “Too bad we didn’t elect the other guy. You know the one who thinks there were airports in the Revolutionary War.”

        We did elect the lying who offered ‘the most transparent administration ever’, and then black-listed reporters. And who bragged about returning from a trip covering “all 57 states”, TDS-addled piece of lefty shit.

    3. They are both faster than a horse drawn carriage.

      1. I’m reporting you for anti-Amish hate speech.

    4. Perhaps he was referring to an inclined plane?

    5. Keep in mind that there are significant delays at both ends of a commercial airplane flight. It’s already usually quicker to drive 200 miles or so than fly, even though the car will go only 70 and the plane will go 500.

      Train travel is often faster by train in high density corridors than plane travel.

      Coast to coast is a stretch.

      1. If you’re going to raise this point, it’s rather cogent to point out that very little of the lag has anything to do with the actual vehicle and both trains and planes suffer intertia/mass constraints that cars don’t. You plainly need less linear footage to accelerate 2 tons of metal to 200 mph than you do to accelerate 50 tons and once a terrorists smuggles a shoe bomb onto a high speed train, lining up at the gate will take the same amount of time, whether it’s a plane or a train on the other side.

      2. There are significant delays involved at the both ends of train travel as well, unless you are a person who lives closely to the originating train station and your final destination is an area near where you disembark.

        The location of most train stations in high density corridors, and the fact most of their parking facilities get overwhelmed by daily commuters, don’t make sporadic train travel very easy for most people (and I think that is the type of traveling replacing airline flights would be talking about).

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    7. You’re just jealous that he’s already doing better than Trump ever did and he’s not out stroking his own ego every night on Fox and Twitter for everyone to see.

      1. “You’re just jealous that he’s already doing better than Trump ever did…”

        You’re just a lying TDS-addled piece of lefty shit.

  2. There are two possibilities here.

    No there aren’t.

    1. Joe just says shit, he neither knows nor cares whether it has any resemblance to truth or facts or reality.

  3. No mean tweets though.

  4. Come on man! Obviously, his next move is to pass the next trillion dollar spending plan that will include money for regulations to slow planes down by a few hundred mph. This will allow trains time to catch up.

    1. The “No Train Left Behind” initiative.

      1. A+

  5. On top of that, it’s very doubtful that we’ll ever have high-speed rail tracks going to every destination you can reach by air. So you’ll ride Biden’s Magic Train to the station, and then have to rent a car and drive for hours.

    1. But, for a while, you will be traveling in the same direction, decided by the government, to an approved destination, with the people together. Perhaps, arm in arm into the red dawn!

      1. “…with the people together.”

        You seriously think social distancing is going to end anytime soon? Hell no, there is still far too much virtue to be signaled to demonstrate how “with the program” they are!

        1. A separate rail car for each household would be one hell of a jobs program.

    2. Knowing Biden he will mandate 2 tracks, and for safety all the trains going east will have to be on the right track and all trains headed west must be on the left track

      1. boom

  6. Maybe he’s thinking of Elon Musk’s hyperloop.

    In any case, he’s a senile old man who doesn’t even know what day of the week it is and is a stand-in front man for Shadow President Obama, so whatever.

    1. High speed trains are so 20th century.

    2. Maybe he’s thinking of Elon Musk’s hyperloop.
      He has no idea what that is.

      1. Neither does Musk.

        1. To be fair, brilliant people have a lot of ideas, most of which fail. Musk has more ideas than most, and the wherewithal to try to implement them. Fun to watch, in today’s world.

    3. If Joe rode ina hyperloop his Depends would overflow.

  7. So glad we fortified the election.

    1. I know, right? The man is a senile fucking fool. The world openly mocks us. POTUS Trump might have been an asshole, but he was an asshole nobody wanted to mess with.

  8. 21,000 mph is how fast planes go when you’re on fucking crack.

    1. So Joe got this idea from Hunter?

      1. The idea popped into their heads while dining at Olive Garden and OD’ing on Parmesan cheese.

    2. 21000 mph is 5.8 miles per second.
      Escape velocity is 7 miles per second.
      Hard to keep that sucker within the atmosphere.

      1. That’s gonna take a long runway to land on!

      2. You have to be damn near low Earth orbit anyway just to reach 21,000mph due to the air resistance.

  9. “”When Amtrak announced in 2016 that its new fleet of Acela trains would have a higher speed of 160 mph, it was supposedly meant to provide passengers with “the experience of the future,” according to Amtrak’s then-president and CEO, Joe Boardman.

    The only problem: There are just three short segments in the Acela corridor where trains are safely allowed to exceed 130 mph. Having trains that can go 160 mph is not the same as trains that actually go 160 mph.””

    So much this. I am a frequent traveler from NYC to Boston on the Acela. There are two sections of track where it can get up to 150. However it’s a kin to putting your McLaren on I-95 during rush hour because it’s on the same tracks as other trains. It’s about 20 minutes faster than the regular train, however the Acela is an express so some of that 20 minutes is due to not stopping at stations.

    1. There are only a couple of countries – that can have both freight rail and passenger rail infrastructure. Just can’t do it because they need different things. The US is a freight rail country. Always has been. Passenger rail was always subsidized and a loss leader.

      In theory, it might be possible to have some inter-city passenger rail east of the Mississippi. And not ‘high-speed’ but merely a bit faster than car. But there is never the will to have few rail stops and MANY other transit connections from those few stops. The (snouts in the trough)/passenger ratio is just too high.

  10. Yeah long-distance high speed rail that goes as fast as planes is difficult to imagine. But there’s nothing wrong IMO with considering high-speed rail that goes intermediate distances – longer than would be comfortable by car, but shorter than a plane trip which would on average be faster.

    For example, consider a trip from Houston to Dallas. Distance (according to Google maps) is 239 mi, and time by plane (according to Southwest) is 1 hr 5 min. So the average speed, overall, is about 220 mph. It is still faster than the 160 mph of Acela touted in the article, but it is much more competitive than the 500 mph average cruising speed of a transcontinental airliner. Of course the train would inevitably be slower as there would be stops along the way, but again it’s in the ballpark of consideration.

    Whether high-speed rail is a worthy investment of taxpayer dollars, in the form of infrastructure, is another question entirely. But the idea itself is not absurd on its face if its implementation is limited to manageable distances, and not trying to imagine a train trip from LA to NY in 5 hours or something silly like that.

    1. “”is 1 hr 5 min. “”

      Is that from gate to gate? That would also bring down the average of a train too. The Acela’s average speed would not be close to 160.

      1. That is what southwest.com said, so yes I imagine it is gate-to-gate. The point though is to show that the two speeds are not as wildly divergent as mentioned in the article (130 mph vs. 500 mph LOL!). They are competitive if restricted to intermediate-level distances. And, some people will undoubtedly pay a premium for not going through the hassle of flying by plane.

        1. Defending bidens obvious misstatements as usual. One might call you a cultist.

          Question really is…. is it the same having government subsidizing trains as allowing parents to mutilate their children’s genitals.

          1. There is no such thing as a polite discussion with you, is there? At least when it comes to people with whom you share substantive disagreements. It is either an echo chamber of self-congratulation, or merciless trolling and ruining discussions. Did you learn this skill on Twitter, or on Facebook?

            1. “There is no such thing as a polite discussion with you, is there?..”

              Shoveling bullshit is NOT polite discussion; expect to be called on it.

            2. Why would I have a polite conversation with you? Youre a full blown liar. You claim you are against welfare, and then advocate it constantly in defense of bidens plans. You lie about who you are.

              Ironically is respect Tony and lord strazzle more than you because they are at least honest.

          2. Lol. He really made a similar argument.

        2. 95% of the hassles involved in flying are government imposed security theater. It would take one terrorist incident involving fatalities to get all those “benefits” applied to rail travel as well.

    2. Incidentally, I have a lot more faith in projects like the Hyperloop project for rapid travel over intermediate distances, rather than government-funded high-speed rail.

      https://virginhyperloop.com/

      I haven’t been following it closely, but last I heard, they have had successful demonstration projects in Nevada, and are considering building a commercial system over this intermediate-range type distances, like Houston to Dallas, or Kansas City to St. Louis, or some distance along those lines. I hope they are able to complete their project on schedule.

      1. The main issue I see with hyperloop is that it functionally travels in a self-heating thermos bottle since each person is giving off ~100 Watts. Where does that heat go? They’d need some form of heat sink that will get progressively hotter as the pod(?) travels along and that clearly is not viable as distances increase. It will be an interesting balance of heat sink size and temperature to number of passengers to distance traveled.

        1. It’s not a total vacuum.

          1. True but they are still talking 0.2 millibar and assuming the tube diameter is 7 feet that’s only about 750 pounds of air in a 250 mile stretch or about the same amount as a 1250 sq. ft. house with 8′ ceilings. Now consider the limited surface area of the pod that it has to interact with and there isn’t much. For comparison a Gulfstream G650 at 40,000 feet has to displace roughly 284 tons of air for the same 250 miles. There isn’t much cooling to be had inside the tube and that’s doubly true in a tube that’s running under the desert sun of Nevada.

            Perhaps they’ve run the numbers but given they tout every little detail about the motors, maglev, etc. why aren’t they talking about the technology needed for climate control in the cabin? Perhaps they think that A/C is a solved problem but they’ll still need to pump the heat somewhere and it isn’t the air in the tube.

            1. “ Musk’s solution is to add to each pod a water tank that will capture that heat and turn it into steam to be collected at the next station. Although the thermodynamic calculations are correct, a small pod with only a few cubic feet of room for a heat exchanger leaves little space for an efficient exchange of heat. That means that the flow of water must be increased, requiring a lot more water on board. There may be an elegant solution for this challenge, but it’s not in Musk’s current paper.”
              https://gigaom.com/2013/08/13/heres-some-hurdles-the-hyperloop-could-face/

              1. Yeah, I’m thinking that just makes the problem worse. The steam chamber will need to be insulated to keep it from heating the cabin and the inefficiency in the heat pump will also have to be captured plus all the other electrical inefficiencies in the lights, motors, etc. The easy solution might be to start at the other end and put a cooling coil that freezes a giant block of ice in the pod when it’s at a terminal. Safer too since a rupture in the tank just drips water instead of ejecting saturated or superheated steam in a high speed jet ready to cook anyone nearby.

                1. Wow, look at this guy, smarter than Elon!

                  1. Hardly, ice comes with a big penalty in that you need almost 7 times the weight to store the same energy in the phase change so it’s far from ideal.

                    It might be possible to mitigate the problem by flipping the traction motors from the pod to the rail so the rail becomes the armature. It wouldn’t quite be railgun and there’s likely a considerable tradeoff in efficiency but it would significantly reduce the heating in the pod.

                    1. I should add that making the rail the armature would also be silly expensive so it might want to use some sort of slingshot technique where the windings are spaced a good way apart such that they pulse to give the pod a kick and let it coast to the next set of windings.

      2. The fastest hyperloop car designs that don’t take fundamental engineering issues like payload or failure modes into account only have a top speed of 288 mph.

        It’s astounding to lift the restraints of air resistance, payload, maintenance and stability and get *slower*. Like buiding a million-dollar custom drag car that doesn’t out-pace a stock camaro.

    3. I misread your example as a train traveling from Honolulu to Dallas!

      1. Don’t give Biden ideas

    4. The California-Las Vegas high-speed rail line is an example of one that might work:

      https://www.railwayage.com/passenger/high-performance/will-california-las-vegas-high-speed-line-construction-start-in-2q21/#:~:text=Brightline%20West%20hopes%20to%20begin,the%20second%20quarter%20of%202021.

      As far as I know, it is privately financed, although I wonder if it will remain that way if the Biden infrastructure bill hands them money.

      1. Railroads have never been privately financed for more time than it takes to sell the hidden subsidy. There is always a debt or land subsidy somewhere.

        1. You are no doubt right about that.

        2. Or nationalization of the NY subway system

    5. No. It simply isn’t workable. Because there is no place that is too far by car but too short by plane.

      And planes don’t need hundreds of thousands of square miles of infrastructure. Think of the environment.

      And when needs changes, airlines can reroute planes. Similar to how buses are better than light rail, planes are better than heavy passenger rail.

      Finally – if this were actually workable THE FUCKING GOVERNMENT WOULD NOT NEED TO PAY FOR IT ALL!

      1. Since the last international/big airport was opened 25 years ago (Denver DIA), I doubt there is really any ‘rerouting’ of anything based on changing needs. And there won’t be if this article is accurate.

        1. Sure, but there’s considerably more flexibility in air travel with increasing or decreasing numbers of flights or using larger/smaller capacity aircraft to meet changing needs, whether short term seasonal changes or longer term changes due to demographic shifts, etc.

    6. I think you are correct about intermediate distances being the niche for passenger rail service. What we have in this country is far to many airports. I know, I live in a community that has a pretty useless spoke airport. Madison is close enough to Milwaukee, Chicago and even Minneapolis to not require an airport. Good high speed rail service to these other three cities would be better than the airport we now have.

      As for time saving, rail services require far less time for advanced arrival. In Japan you can pass through automated gate and step onto a train that is on time in less than 15 minutes. The train is far more comfortable than an air line cabin. Station can also be significantly smaller making it easier to enter and exist them. All this means time saving at the start and end of your trip.

      1. The first time somebody plants a bomb on a train or takes hostages, train departures will slow down to what the TSA does for airline flights.

        1. Planes seem to be the preferred targets. There no reason not to attack a train but that rarely happens. Look at the number of subways and commuter trains in the US. When was the last time one was attacked? Part of it may be that trains have a defined route. You can not hijack a train to a neutral country and escape. You also can not fly a train into a building.

          1. “Planes seem to be the preferred targets. There no reason not to attack a train but that rarely happens…”

            You really should STFU as you continually make a public asshole of yourself.
            A ‘device’ in a normal passenger train might kill 50 people. The same in HSR would do FAR greater damage.
            Seriously, STFU. You are not nearly intelligent to converse with gov’t high-school kids. You should be embarrassed, but you seem too stupid to know that.

          2. ” When was the last time one was attacked?”

            Jesse James gang in the 1870s?

            1. Fuck off, troll.

          3. ” When was the last time one was attacked?”
            21 August 2015 – Thalys train to Paris for one.
            Not in the U.S. & not very successful, but attacks on trains by Terrorists DO happen – also on subways, elevated trains & buses…
            Mass Transit will always carry risks from assholes.

          4. You also can not fly a train into a building.

            You’re right! Hijacking a train, smuggling in bombs, and running it full speed into Grand Central or Penn Station would be sooooo much safer.

    7. Next up: Biden proposes high speed rail from San Francisco to Honolulu.

    8. there’s nothing wrong IMO with considering high-speed rail that goes intermediate distances

      So write up a business plan and see if you can get any private funding. I’d bet against it.

      -jcr

    9. Texas Central Railway is trying to build that very route with private funding. It will only have one intermediate station, near College Station. Will be interesting to see if they ever lay and track. It took them several years just to get their environmental impact report approved, but that is a whole different issue.

  11. Just the steel for just the new rails that would be required for the ~100,000 miles of new track that would be the bare minimum required to build enough new high-speed capable rail lines to even start to compete with commercial air travel: That’s the equivalent of 2 entire years of all the steel production in the US.

    Just the rail beams themselves – not including anything else that might be needed to be made with steel, just for the rail lines. Such as rebar, fasteners, structure for raised sections of track, signal posts, etc.

    And also not including all of the myriad other uses we typically have for the steel we produce, not related to new rail lines.

    1. That’s why we need to invest in steel mills that produce all that track in a few months! Dude, do you not even infrastructure?

    2. In Biden’s world there are no such limitations. Dream big, man! And as for deficit spending, MMT made that notion passe’. The government is not bound by the same rules as you and me; no they can print all the money they want, incur unlimited debt, and never have to pay it back.

      1. But for some reason they want to raise taxes.

      2. …..and the bitcoiners say thank you every single day.

    3. Guess you are saying that we just can’t do it. There was a time when the US won WWII, build a interstate highway system, sent a man to the moon. Now we are a second rate country with our best days behind us. We can add our names to the countries that were great powers, Spain, France, Germany, Britain, maybe more. Guess it time to step back and let China take the lead.

      1. “…There was a time when the US won WWII, build a interstate highway system, sent a man to the moon…”

        Yeah, why can’t we build an unworkable form of transport? Statist piece of shit here seems to think that making intelligent decisions is ‘anti future’
        Man, you are STOOOOOOPID!.

      2. Soviet Russia won WWII.
        It is what it is.

        High-speed jet travel is accessible to 80% of the world’s population. this was unimaginable mobility even 50 years ago. Who do you credit for making that possible?

        1. “mobility even 50 years ago”

          The Boeing 747 was introduced more than 50 years ago. Question for our aviation engineers: What have you done for us lately?

          1. Tired of it; What has asshole ‘clever’ troll ever done? Fuck off and die.

            1. Didn’t mean to offend aviation engineers. Some of them are fine people.

              1. Fuck off and die, troll

          2. The 737 Max which has been grounded for most of its working life.

      3. Yes, we used to be able to do big things in the pre-NEPA era.

  12. its cheaper and faster to fly than it is to take the train so why bother we have an efficient system in place now that also goes to more places than trains

    1. why bother

      You know why.

    2. “Most Californians traveling between San Fran and L.A. will continue to fly.“

      …or drive.

      It’s about 5 hours door-to-door to drive. When you compare that to the total time of a flight door-to-door, plus add in that you will have a car when you’re there (basically required in LA except for very well-defined business trips), a car is a pretty decent option.

      Certainly a train has a lot of downsides and no upsides between LA and SF.

      The ongoing fascination with high speed rail is really confusing to me. Is it just because the Chinese have it? Or because Biden has lived his life in the Acela corridor where train travel is semi-rational?

      1. The ongoing fascination with high speed rail is really confusing to me.

        It involves massive government spending. Full stop.

      2. “Most Californians traveling between San Fran and L.A. will continue to fly.“
        …or drive.”

        I haven’t flown that distance in 20 years; hope I’ve cost TSA several paid positions.

      3. I fly between San Diego, Las Vegas, and Los Angeles a lot, and it used to be the case that the trip to the airport took longer than the security theater, especially if you wanted to use public transportation or a taxi cab. Ride sharing has cut those times down tremendously, but getting to the airport still takes longer than going through security. In both LA and Las Vegas, you’re taking the bus to a tram or you’re taking an Uber to the tram. In Las Vegas, they have a monorail that takes you to different parts of McCarren airport–but it doesn’t connect to the monorail that goes to the Las Vegas Strip!

        In Los Angeles, if I’m near downtown, rather than in the Beach Cities, and I’m going to San Diego, I’ll take the Amtrak down to Del Mar before I’d fly to the airport, but Union Station (Amtrak) has the same issue–the rapid transit connection to Union Station isn’t anywhere near where I’m likely to be. It takes me as long to get an Uber to the nearest transit station as it does to get an Uber straight to Union Station to catch a train.

        If I’m neither near the airport nor Union Station, I might as well just drive. They have myriad mass transit opportunities between Los Angeles and San Diego, and in most cases, none of them can compete on a time basis with a two and a half hour drive. And driving costs less! And it isn’t because the hubs aren’t already in place. It’s because getting to the hubs takes so long. And that isn’t going away.

        They want to build a high speed rail between Los Angeles and Las Vegas, but that won’t make any difference if the high speed rail doesn’t go to a major transportation hub, in Los Angeles, AND doesn’t connect to the Strip in Las Vegas. And the reason they don’t connect is because various interests don’t want them to connect. And that isn’t going away because Biden builds high speed rail between hubs. The issue isn’t getting between hubs.

        1. The issues you mention are the ones that are always the problem. Public transport always needs to connect to other transport to cover the last mile stuff. But that particular connectivity is what govt sucks at doing. Govt can do the roads/land that is infrastructure. It cannot even begin to do the transport ON that infrastructure – and shouldn’t try.

          And the major underlying problem with ALL transport options is the rent-seeking and subsidies re land. That problem is not even remotely solved by private transports just because private transport solves the last mile stuff. Because everything other than last mile is about using public land when there is always some element of monopoly with that. And every transport option will look to steal that monopoly advantage with a bunch of flimflam

          1. “But that particular connectivity is what govt sucks at doing.”

            The reason they suck at doing it is because various interests don’t want that last mile stuff connected.

            In Las Vegas, if the monorail connected the casinos to the airport, all the casinos would be connected to each other. They don’t want people going from casino to casino. The monorail that connects some of the casinos to the convention center–all those casinos are owned by the same company. Once you’re in their casino, they don’t want you to leave. Nothing gets done in Las Vegas unless the casinos want it to happen, and if the casinos don’t want it to happen, it won’t. They don’t want the monorail to connect to the airport, so it doesn’t.

            In Los Angeles, it’s about the taxi companies, the ride share companies, the limo drivers, and the private parking lot companies. Most of their business only exists because rapid transit doesn’t connect to the airport. So, they got together and made sure it stopped a mile short. And that won’t change because of anything Biden does–especially with California’s ability to gum up the works with the CEQA process. It’s just not going to happen for the same reasons it hasn’t happened already.

            1. The reason they suck at doing it is because various interests don’t want that last mile stuff connected.

              That’s true but that’s probably not the reason. Govt just doesn’t do operations well at all. Govt can do the things that are an inevitable monopoly but that’s it. The analogy in transport is actually airports or highways. Govt doesn’t operate airlines or trucking companies but somehow munis are expected to run choochoo trains.

              The right business model is airports. Have govt own the land and lease the various slots to private operators. In the case of rail, that means loading/unloading times at stations and leasing sole usage of track time between stations. That’s it. Enough problems even with that limit on what they do but if that part was privatized the result would be a private monopolist which is worse. But there is a quantum leap forward with what private sector can do with operating modes of transport and connecting to other modes at those connection points.

              Same thing is true of urban road transit. Stop operating buses or allowing free parking everywhere and stop with mandating that every road be used for cars. The velocity of cars eliminated that modes ability to play nice with others the moment the Model A became obsolete.

          2. “…And the major underlying problem with ALL transport options is the rent-seeking and subsidies re land…”

            I know this will be tough, so take your time. You can get back to us next week:

            Perhaps if the government weren’t granting permission, there would be no rent-seeking!

        2. The biggest problem I see with the LA train network is it’s based on a hub and spoke model but LA has a dispersed business district. If I want to travel from the Valley to West LA by train (8-9 miles by road) I have to get a train downtown and then back out again. I’ve only ever used the train once in LA and that’s when an ex loved in the apartments right next to union station. Much easier to just drive.

          1. The reason it’s a hub and spoke network is because the interested parties that local and state government answer to don’t want it to be efficient and usable.

            On a per square foot basis, do you have any idea how much those pay to park places by the airport rake in every month? The city gets a cut of that money, and even if they didn’t, those parking lots are willing to spend a tremendous amount of money on lobbying, donations, lawyers, and charity in order to make sure the hub and spoke system to nowhere stays just the way it is.

            And that’s just one industry.

        3. I fly between San Diego, Las Vegas, and Los Angeles a lot

          And boy, I bet your arms are tired….

            1. Damn…I need to find a way to embed that in posts…and everyday life for that matter.

  13. Imagine a world where you and your family can travel coast to coast without a single tank of gas on a high-speed train close to as fast as you can go across the country in a plane.

    At what cost? And 99% of the people on either coast would need a few tanks of gas to get to the train station and another few tanks of gas to get to their destination on the other coast from the train station. And burn their vacation doing so.

    Or does this drooling moron think there are going to be 500 east-west lines spanning the country? And at what cost?

    1. The problem is people go on vacation to Europe or Japan and say to themselves this is nice why can’t we have this at home. Not realizing that yeah when you are on vacation and leisurely going from point a to point b to do some site seeing it is nice. But when you have to use them daily not so much.

      1. They also forget that Europe and Japan have significantly higher population densities than the US.

      2. Most people don’t realize how big the US is. Europe is not only much smaller but much more densely populated.

        I had Europeans visiting try to make a day trip from New Orleans to Houston and are astounded to find Houston is 560 km away. That’s farther the Paris to Brussels.

        New York to Los Angeles is 4,500 km. New York to London is only 5,500 km.

        1. “Most people don’t realize how big the US is…”

          Nor how small Europe is. Starting from Paris, one day’s drive in any direction will likely land you on the shore of a known body of water, or at the border of some former Soviet bloc country where you may not want to go (or, if you head SW, at the Spanish border, but you get the point). It’s possible to ‘get lost’ in Europe, but you have to work at it.
          The fantasy of Euro HSR applicable in the US assumes that an inter-urban rail line (economic failures all) would work across 5 thousand miles. And become economically workable.
          TDS-addled lefty ignoramuses like M4e fantasize that those intelligent enough to make those distinctions are somehow ‘anti-progress’, attempting to frame the issue in something other than M4e’s abysmal stupidtry; far too stupid to realize that there is an objective reality.
          There is neither the need, nor the possible utility of such in the US, nor in CA and the lot is nothing other than an attempt to buy union votes with taxpayer money.
          M4e? Please make your family proud, your dog happy, and the world a measurably more intelligent place.
          Fuck off and die. Soon. You are too stupid to continue to waste oxygen.

    2. “At what cost? And 99% of the people on either coast would need a few tanks of gas to get to the train station and another few tanks of gas to get to their destination on the other coast from the train station. And burn their vacation doing so…”

      Yep. HSR: Taking you from where you aren’t to where you don’t want to be!

      1. HSR: Taking you from where you aren’t to where you don’t want to be!

        But at high speed.

    3. “…at what cost?”

      Modern economists have decreed that notions such as “cost” are simply no longer true. At least not where big government and progressive agendas are concerned.

    4. Interestingly enough, I worked in public transit in the SF Bay Area for twenty years. The HSR advocates then and still, think it will be as simple as walking into an HSR station and walking into the train and sitting down. Like on BART.

      How soon they forget the logistics in plane travel. Particularly the TSA lines and process.

      But, when you suggest that those same limitations would apply to HSR travel, they insist that they won’t.

      Hey, if you were a terrorist bent on “demonstrating” your religous fury for all to see, would you rather blow up a 747 full of people where no one sees it or, blow up an HSR train at 200 MPH out in the open terrain where you could film it and everything?

      1. Dunno how long you’ve been in the Bay Area, but when I got here, you walked up to the PSA counter, put down $25 and got on the next plane to LA at 30 minutes after the hour.
        The return meant you got the plane on the hour; same deal.
        I ask anyone to tell me, in specific numbers, that I am now safer than I was at that time.

      2. If a terrorist wants to cause mayhem, the TSA gives them ideal targets consisting of hundreds of people in serpentine lines waiting to get to the obedience ritual in every major airport. (Well, once the COVID thing is over, anhow.) Rollaway bag full of ANFO and scrap metal, and they can thank Allah for the stupidity of the US government.

        -jcr

  14. Air travel uses a lot less eminent domain that rail. Eminent domain is racist, so naturally Biden thinks it’s a good idea.

    1. That = than.

  15. Joe Biden is a lying sack of shit, and the White House press corps is a laughing stock.

    1. Racist!

    2. Can we resurrect Helen Thomas?

      1. Why would you want that Nazi bitch back? Got something against Jews?

        -jcr

  16. In fairness, you’re still not comparing apples to apples because the article is only comparing travel time, not the total time a passenger has to spend in the process. Add the 2-3 hours before check-in and the hour at the other end getting your bags back from the luggage carousel and nobody realistically gets from NY to Chicago at the speeds described above.

    Of course, the argument that you should include the airport security checks and waiting times to make a fair speed calculation assumes that Biden won’t impose that same security theater on the proposed high-speed rail.

    1. Yes, exactly. Comparing just the average cruising speed of a transcontinental airliner to the maximum speed of Acela is not a fair comparison. There probably will be layers of security theater at any high-speed rail (or Hyperloop, or whatever) transportation hub. But, if significant passenger traffic is diverted from air-based transportation to ground-based transportation, it should make the security theater faster at both ends, one would think.

      1. Speaking of security, it seems high-speed rail would be vulnerable, not just at the terminals but anywhere along the tracks.

        1. Build a wall!

    2. “Of course, the argument that you should include the airport security checks and waiting times to make a fair speed calculation assumes that Biden won’t impose that same security theater on the proposed high-speed rail.”

      You have to pass ‘inspection’ to get on the ferries on the SF bay; if you think HSR won’t have TSA lines, I got a north anchorage of a bridge you can buy.

    3. They still get there in less time than the train takes.

      1. And buses are more efficient and cheaper to implement.

    4. “assumes that Biden won’t impose that same security theater on the proposed high-speed rail.” This. Plus the fact that widely built and used high speed rail that replaces autos and planes is a Leftist pipe dream.

    5. Biden won’t half to. It’s already assumed.

  17. One of the ways they try to claim time savings for trains over planes is in security.

    However, think about it logically. Due to greater mass, a high speed train derailment in a populated area would be far more destructive than a airliner crash.

    If they do ever build high speed rail in this country, security will be as bad or worse (in terms of time delays) than airport security.

    1. High speed trains have to slow down when in populated areas. That’s another reason why the Acela rarely hits top speed.

      “”If they do ever build high speed rail in this country, security will be as bad or worse (in terms of time delays) than airport security.””

      They have been pushing for TSA type security on Amtrak for years. Going big with high speed would give them the leverage to make it so.

      1. I don’t consider Acela to be “high speed” rail. I put the lower end cut off for that at 200MPH.

        Why 200 MPH? Because they achieved 200 MPH with steam locomotives.

  18. Imagine a world where you and your family can travel coast to coast without a single tank of gas on a high-speed train close to as fast as you can go across the country in a plane.”

    I can fly across the country using established infrastructure (drink!). High speed rail requires it’s own track, or it’s going to crawl with the freight traffic.

    1. And airplanes do not use a single tank of gasoline either.

      1. It’s actually just a very big single take of gas [fuel].

        1. Jet fuel is not gasoline.

        2. You burn more hydrocarbons in your car than in an airplane.

          Fun fact, the carbon footprint of tomatoes from Chile is far less than the “buy local” tomato at the farmers market from only fifty miles away.

          1. Lol

      2. That’s right planes use kerosene.

  19. And this article is just one more article that is little more than bitching about a proposed idea. When Trump or Team Red proposes something, then the idea is racist, expensive, horrible, coercive, etc. When Biden or Team Blue proposes something, then the idea is racist, expensive, horrible, coercive, etc. I’m beginning to think that mainstream libertarianism is little more than endless critiques of everyone else’s ideas.

    1. Says team blue members. You never complained about this shit until they went after Biden’s idiocy. Youre not neutral dummy.

      Based on your last 4 years of posting, since you aren’t attacking everything Biden does and criticizing him over stupid shit, you’re a Biden Cultist.

      That was your definition the last 4 years.

      Own it buddy.

      1. And here you are, with your tribal warfare games. You really are a brain-dead moron.

        1. ZOOM! Over his head.

          1. Ah, the CACLL thing where you try to gaslight people into thinking they missed some brilliant point that was made. R Mac attempts this all the time.

            1. Did you coin that? Jeff completely doesn’t understand the point. And neither do you. You both claim to have no teams and act as if you’re neutral when you’re not. Neither of you can even admit you have a bias let alone describe it. Youre fucking children.

              1. C’mon. Unfair to children over the age of 10.

                1. Like Trump?

                  1. No, like TDS-addled assholes, TDS-addled asshole.

            2. I thought that was the thing where you tone up your private parts.

    2. “And this article is just one more article that is little more than bitching about a proposed idea.”

      That’s no “idea”, you ignoramus; that’s raving.

      1. Believe it or not, Sevo, other people have ideas that you may not share. Sometimes they express those ideas, and other people enter into a debate or discussion surrounding those ideas. This does happen from time to time.

        1. “Believe it or not, Sevo, other people have ideas that you may not share…”

          Believe it or not, claiming train travel might be as fast as air travel is not an “idea”; it’s bullshit.

        2. Now do Trump’s ideas.

          1. “People are really surprised I understand this stuff. Every one of these doctors said, ‘How do you know so much about this?’ Maybe I have a natural ability.”

            1. I think you think you made a point. You did not.

              1. Well, he again showed he’s a TDSS-addled asshole.

                1. LOL, I said nothing more in my comment than directly quoting Donald Trump. It’s quite a confession on your part that you consider that my quoting from Trump, with no other commentary added on my part, constitutes an attack on Trump.

                  1. I see you got banned again; kiddie porn, like your best bud turd?
                    Yes, a random bit of cherry-picking again proves you to be a TDS-addled asshole.

    3. Or . . . *or* – stay with me here – all these ideas are racist, expensive, horrible, coercive, etc.

    4. Every idea, even the ones that are nonsensical, flat out lies, or have been tried before are good ideas.

      I’m beginning to think chemjeff will support superficially stupid ideas in spite of conclusive proof in order to slight libertarianism.

  20. Simple, going cross country go to the 5 hour wait TSA line, commuters get the quick TSA line, problem solved.

  21. Biden is likely vaguely remembering speculation about hypersonic aircraft which are basically suborbital spacecraft.

    Also, I love how Biden is talking about trains not using single tankful of gas, without mentioning the energy source it would be using and how much. He is a politician with a mediocre mind for even that kind when he was at full cognitive ability, so its no surprise he does not understand what he is talking about.

    1. Yeah, but he’s good with his hands.

  22. “Imagine a world where you and your family can travel coast to coast without a single tank of gas on a high-speed train close to as fast as you can go across the country in a plane.”

    Imagine a POTUS who isn’t demented.

  23. IT’S A BANANA !!

  24. You’re forgetting Joe is planning on outlawing air travel – do you know how fast a plane can go when you have to push it by hand?

  25. My favorite presidential comment in this vein was on July 4, 2019 when the then President informed us that the American revolutionary troops “took over the airports.” What a genius he was, eh?

    1. Gee, how about the one prior to that mentioning he’d toured all 57 states, TDSs-addled shit?

      1. Really scraping the bottom again, there. No doubt you brought that one and only flub up every time Your Dear Trump was caught lying (which was multiple times daily totalling ~50,000 by the end of his disaster) or saying something completely batsh*t insane.

        1. Nope, just pointing our we have a brand new TDS-addled shit.

        2. Obama has said plenty of dumb shit. Are you denying that?

        3. Seems the same bottom you are scraping.

          Who really cares about the gaffes of presidents other than for humor?

    2. I really need to put out the entire brilliant comment as it is so rich and full:
      “In June of 1775, the Continental Congress created a unified army out of the revolutionary forces encamped around Boston and New York [nope: Valley Forge, PA] … The Continental Army suffered a bitter winter of Valley Forge, found glory across the waters of the Delaware [to attack Trenton, not Yorktown], and seized victory [!?!?!] from Cornwallis of [at, maybe?] Yorktown.
      “Our army manned the air, it rammed the ramparts, it took over the airports, it did everything it had to do, and at Fort McHenry, under the rockets’ red glare [nope: War of 1812], it had nothing but victory.”[yeah, five years of nothing but victory, that war was].

      1. “You’re likable enough, Hillary.”

        Is much more idiotic.

    3. You must be pretty young if that’s your favorite, because there were some lulus in the 80s, 90s and 00s.

  26. No friction & no contact equals expectation that trains can travel as fast as airplanes.

    Superconductors and mag-lev trains seem to fit together like wings to bouyant air.

    And with newer generations of superconductor materials requiring less applied cooling, then it probably won’t be long — nor the Biden Presidency itself — before this travel prediction reaches viability.

    1. Yep, just like fusion; the wave of the future and always will be!

      1. The world’s fastest train travels at 357 mph in France.

        America’s fastest train at 160 mph, the Acela, will serve, such as, between Boston & DC and have wi-fi, cafe & restroom.

        American rail infrastructure has never served high-speed transit.

        Perhaps the US-Mexican border would be easiest and cheapest to build the fastest train infrastructure because both nations could run stations, virtually from it.

        1. Fast rail is not supported by American rsil infrastructure today.

          Amtrak proposes this map of what cross-country rail may look like:

          https://media.npr.org/assets/img/2021/04/05/proposed_amtrak_routes_april_2_2021_v4_custom-720fe00d7655d42e2a1aa70542d832af3aaade68-s600-c85.webp

          1. Yes, lefty shits hope to use my money to support their choo-choo fantasies. Fuck off and die.

    2. The Shanghai mag-lev cruises at 267 mph. Pretty close to the cruising speed of the old DC-6 (311 mph). Nobody with any sense would think that Biden was talking about current jet speeds of ~500 mph at 40,000 feet.

      1. So you admit SleepyJoe is living in the past?

      2. Nobody with any sense would think that Biden was talking about current jet speeds of ~500 mph at 40,000 feet.

        I’d be nice, in that case, if he said ‘almost as fast as airplanes were 70 years ago’, instead of lying, right?

      3. Wait… brand new technology is only 15% worse than 50 year old technology? Where do I sign up??

      4. So, how many different cities can that train be directed to?

      5. “””Imagine a world where you and your family can travel coast to coast without a single tank of gas on a high-speed train close to as fast as you can go across the country in a plane.””

        I think you made some bullshit up. Clearly he is referring to what will be available at that time.

  27. High-speed rail is just so 20th Century.

    Much better is to consider airliners powered by low-cost, carbon-based, environmentally-friendly, high-capacity batteries, with the electricity provided by extensive solar and nuclear plants, and those backed-up by plants powered by super-clean petroleum-derived fuels.

    And, frankly, that isn’t that far off. Especially when one considers that it would take the feds at least 50 years to build any kind of meaningful, national, “high-speed” rail system.

    1. Southwest Airlines gets you a couple dozen flights each day between LA and SF. For fifty bucks and forty minutes. (Pre-pandemic pricing, and not counting TSA groping line).

      If one measures resources by prices (Julian Simon was right) then, absent any subsidies, airplanes are a demonstrably more efficient use of resources.

      1. Given the probability of increasing numbers of people working from home, the actual number of people who have to travel daily more than 20 miles to get to work will not be increasing much, if at all, in the coming decades. In other words, if it took the feds 50 years to build a high-speed network, it would probably be basically obsolete before it was even finished.

  28. Why bro, That’s no “idea”, you ignoramus; that’s raving Best Schools in gurgaon

  29. Clearly Biden is feeble and senile, and he is being railroaded into saying stupid shit. If Trump had said this the major media would be going apeshit saying he should be removed by 25th amendment. Democrats are playing into radical hysteria and ridiculous ideas. That won’t end well.

    Also Jeff, you can just fuck right off you non libertarian shithead.

    1. Aww. Someone has to spoil the right-wing echo chamber around here. Might as well be me.

      1. “Aww. Someone has to spoil the right-wing echo chamber around here. Might as well be me.”

        Yep, show up and make a public ass of yourself. You’re VERY GOOD at that.

      2. Lol. You really can’t help sticking up for team blue.

  30. If Joe regresses further he’ll be proposing high speed stage coaches.

    1. In his mind… what’s left of it… he’s thinking the speed of trains as compared to biplanes.

  31. “Imagine a world where you and your family can travel coast to coast without a single tank of gas on a high-speed train close to as fast as you can go across the country in a plane.”

    Let’s pretend for a moment that the singular figure of ‘speed’ is correct. From what city on the west coast to what city on the east coast will you travel? Or will there be a train line from every city on the west coast to every city on the east coast, kind of like Airplanes already have.

    1. Oh, and how many stops will the train have vs the airplane?

      1. math is hard.

      2. The last time I tried to take a train any distance – about 10 years ago, from St. Louis to DC.

        Amtrak wanted to send me from St. Louis to Chicago (layover), to Toledo, to Cleveland (layover) to Pittsburgh, to Philadelphia (layover), to Baltimore to DC. The ticket cost $300 each way and took 24 hours.

        The cost of a flight was about $200 round trip and it was a two hour direct flight each way with no layovers or stops. Commercial air travel was 3x less expensive and 12x faster than the train. If the trains were 3x faster in the future than they are now, it would still be 3x as expensive and 4x slower than air travel.

        Currently, you can take a direct flight from New York to Los Angeles in about 6 hours. If you take a train, it’s about 3 days and 18 hours, with 19 stops on the way to Chicago, 20 stops on the way to Dallas, and 20 more on the way to LA. Even if you eliminated the intermediary stops (supposing express service HSR) so you only stopped in Chicago and Dallas, and sped up the trains to HSR speeds, it would still take well over a day to arrive in LA.

    2. Racist!

    3. I’m kinda wondering what kind family travels coast-to-coast often enough to necessitate a train to do so. Then it occurs to me; the real problem with Trump shipping immigrants to concentration camps in box cars is that the trains weren’t going fast enough.

  32. imagine dragons. imagine all the peoples. idiot.

    1. SleepyJoe wants to be the modern day John Lennon.

  33. > that’s now a Bakersfield–Merced high-speed rail line.

    Not even! Some sections are build, most sections are still under construction. There certainly are NO trains running on that line between Bakersfield to Merced.

    Regardless, even if trains COULD go as fast as Biden imagines, they would still have to stop in every Congressional and state legislative district. Because politicians are in charge. Why the hell is the bullet train from LA to SF going through Bakersfield and Merced (and Tulare/Kings and Fresno in between) in the first place? Because it has to stop in all the political districts. Because bullet train riders have to be able to wave at McCarthy and Nunes on their way. Otherwise it would head straight down parallel to I-5 on the west side and skip every Central Valley city and whistle stop. No avoiding Gilroy I suppose, but otherwise would have to eminent domain vast swaths of Silicon Valley as it nears SF.

    Fucking boondoggle.

    1. It used to be that you would one day be able to take the high-speed rail to visit Charles Manson in Corcoran, but then he went and died before the high-speed rail project was completed.

    2. No avoiding Gilroy I suppose

      Although it isn’t a central valley town like Los Banos or Coalinga, why would you want to avoid Gilas? With it’s world class shopping at the Gilroy Outlets, the most exclusive Cherry/Garlic stands AND Christmas Hill Park, I cannot imagine why HSR wouldn’t be magnetically drawn to the jewel of South Santa Clara County that is Gilroy

      1. excuse my incorrect use of the contraction

  34. It’s always amusing to read articles of this sort. They are written by people who haven’t flown in decades. The writers are unfamiliar with 2 to 3 hour security hurdles, late flights, circling destination airports multiple times while waiting to land, delayed disembarking while the wheelchair bound are given priority, baggage claim waits, and all of the other nightmares that turn your average 500 mile flight into an all-day ordeal.

    1. It’s always amusing to read comments of this sort. They are written by people who haven’t ridden a train in decades.

      Am I doing it right?

      1. Does ‘A Day Out With Thomas’ count?

    2. Pick them cherries, Ed!

    3. It’s always amusing to see commenters who think trains aren’t going to have those problems.

      “A is not perfect, therefore B”

    4. “2 to 3 hour security hurdles, late flights, circling destination airports multiple times while waiting to land, delayed disembarking while the wheelchair bound are given priority, baggage claim waits, and all of the other nightmares that turn your average 500 mile flight into an all-day ordeal.”

      The ordeal can last weeks if your plan includes putting pets on board. It is a truly hellish experience and that doesn’t even take into account the pet’s point of view. (mandatory RFID chipping etc)

      1. There is only a certain amount of bullshit from this troll, hoping someone will (by mistake) click on the name and thereby double the click rate for the week, which is acceptable; you lose, shitpile!

        1. “There is only a certain amount of bullshit from this troll”

          Incorrect, There is no limit.

          1. Fuck off, troll.

            1. That’s more like it.

              1. Tiresome trolls get flagged.

  35. The “HS” in “HSR” stands for horseshit.

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    1. Not surprised. This is a “president” that is so senile he is napping by noon.

      1. Wave a bottle of Gee Your Hair Smells Terrific under his nose and see how fast he wakes up.

        1. That was good….ha ha

  37. “Imagine a world where you and your family can travel coast to coast without a single tank of gas on a high-speed train close to as fast as you can go across the country in a plane.”

    I don’t know about you guys, but I am over
    joyed that we now have in the White House a fact based, science loving rational man as opposed to somebody who makes ridiculous promises and exaggerates!

    1. You just need to imagine harder!

  38. Easy fix, add more airport security theater and trains will be faster.

  39. So, at this point, SleepyJoe has conclusively failed the proverbial 7th grade algebra story problem about two Eastbound and Westbound trains, right?

  40. Fact Check!

  41. If it weren’t for hyperbole, misinformation and lies then Mr. Biden would have to be silent as these are his only rhetorical weapons. He had accomplished nothing of meaning or significance after five decades in government. If you voted for him expecting high-quality leadership and performance then *you* are not smart.

    1. A lot of people voted for him because Orange Man Bad.

  42. Imagine jet packs, flying cars, transporters ala Star Trek and worm holes like in Contact. Humans can imagine a lot of things. Now imagine minding your own damn business and leaving us the hell alone.

  43. One more time.
    Where are the flying cars I was promised in the 1950s.

  44. Is he looking to replace Mayor Pete already and make Wile E. Coyote the new Transportation Secretary? A chicken in every pot and a rocket-sled in every garage?

  45. While New York to LA is never going to be competitive time wise, other routes certainly could be competitive. New York to DC is ~3 hours by train, about an hour and a half by plane. However, If you’re showing up at the airport 90 minutes ahead, and only 30 minutes ahead for the train, most of that time advantage disappears.

    Trains also have the advantage of being more spacious, generally cheaper, and on some lines you have options like private rooms.

    1. “…However, If you’re showing up at the airport 90 minutes ahead, and only 30 minutes ahead for the train, most of that time advantage disappears…”

      How about if your watch runs backwards?

  46. Trains will be as fast as planes! Imagine that, will ya’!

    Maybe we can re-start construction on the C & O Canal before winter sets in, too

  47. Those 21,000 mph planes can go that fast because they’re……electric. And they’ll have solar panels on their wings so they’ll be……sustainable.

    1. Batteries are prohibitively heavy for long distance mass transport. If electric planes become a thing, expect smaller, short range personal vehicles, perhaps even replacing family car and commutes.

      1. Brains are prohibitively expensive for this assholish troll.

  48. But, but, but, but…………………….

    Europe, China and Japan have HSR. Why shouldn’t we?

    Obviously the U.S. is deficient in some way.

    I wonder if people in Europe, China or Japan are clamoring to put a man on the moon. I mean, the U.S. did it after all. They certainly don’t want to be left behind.

    As everyone’s mother said: If they all jump off the bridge are you going to jump off the bridge?

  49. And let me guess…these trains ALL RUN ON TIME!!!! (You know who else…?)

  50. Does this site simply have a lot of numbskulls working for it?

    Yes, for the distances that high-speed rail is intending on servicing it WILL be nearly as fast as flying, if not faster!

    When you take in to account the overhead involved in flying (outside of the actual flight time itself), if you’re interested in travel time, you would likely be better off taking a fast train (or even driving yourself).

    At this level of “reason”ing, It’s little wonder so many have been completely scammed by Trump and the Republicans.

    1. By-the-way, Biden was likely told that high speed rail will be nearly as fast as flying. Not understanding that’s for relatively shorter trips between large metropolitan areas on the east and west coast.

      And so, he mispoke there and is certain to be informed by his people about it. Here’s what you WON’T see from Biden (and you didn’t see from Obama either) that you regularly saw from Trump….. Once Biden’s told that this ‘fast as flying’ travel doesn’t apply for lengthy cross country trips, he will STOP saying it. Unlike Trump who said utterly wrong and false things all the time, even after being repeatedly told they were wrong. In fact he would double, triple, and quadruple down on wrongful information just because someone pointed out he was wrong.

      Obama, once it was pointed out to him that not everyone will keep their existing insurance plans that they may like (yet were completely outside the new, better, more protective of consumers rules of the ACA), he stopped making that statement.

      1. Obama, once it was pointed out to him that not everyone will keep their existing insurance plans that they may like (yet were completely outside the new, better, more protective of consumers rules of the ACA), he stopped making that statement.

        First, until the end of his administration, he vocalized that it would cut insurance and healthcare costs. But even setting that aside, no more dumb tweets but still saddled with the ACA entirely premised on the idea of the dumb tweets? How stupid/libertarian!

      2. Gee, one more TDS-addled asshole!

    2. “Yes, for the distances that high-speed rail is intending on servicing it WILL be nearly as fast as flying, if not faster!”
      Biden’s quote clearly says “coast to coast.” So you want to move the goalposts from “the coast of Boston Harbor to the Hudson River/”

      1. If high speed rail is introduced, it will certainly be along coastal corridors, and not cross country. At least for the foreseeable future. You can safely disregard what the quote clearly says. Nobody ‘wants to move goalposts.’

        1. Troll, Biden clearly made that claim.
          Please make the word a better place; fuck off and die.

          1. “Biden clearly made that claim”

            It’s clearly not important.

            1. Fuck off, troll

  51. Is it a train or a plane? It’s a maglev (magnetic levitation) train that runs inside a vacuum tube. The engineers (not the train driving engineers but the builder type) working on this claim that top speeds may be as high as 4000km/h. (very fast)

    1. Vacuum trains don’t exist even on a prototype phase. No vacuum tube three orders of magnitude below the necessary size has ever been built. Maglev trains don’t exist in any passenger use.

      When you need Star Trek levels of technology to make it possible, it’s science fiction.

      1. When you need Star Trek levels of technology to make it possible, it’s science fiction.

        This was my thought. Despite a century of powered rail *and* flight, the engineers tell us they can go as fast as 4000 kph even though they have yet to get anything resembling a working prototype going near that fast. The way the engineers are talking, fast and energy efficient HSR will be a viable option sometime shortly after cold fusion is perfected and shortly before faster-than-light travel is.

      2. Maglev trains operate in Shanghai, Inchon and Tokyo connecting airports to downtowns.

        The vacuum trains are in the planning stage. It’s hardly worthy of Star Trek. Vacuum powered transport of documents within buildings was common in the 19th century.

        It’s interesting to note that Daryl Oster, the American who owns a patent on vacuum train travel, is now working for CAE. (China Academy of Engineering)

        1. Fuck off, troll

          1. Since you asked, no, I don’t mind pasting a link to my favorite train song video.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17cr_WVdWmo

            1. fuck off troll

    2. Fuck off, troll.

  52. This is known as “misinformation.”

    1. In the case of trueman, it’s known as bullshit.

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  54. Hey Biden, imagine THIS: A train traveling at 400+MPH (an absurdly unrealistic speed), approaching a C-4 bomb on the track just before a river crossing. The bomb is triggered by a simple cell phone call.

    Nobody talks about this threat. No one but me.
    https://sites.google.com/site/hsrrealdeal/home/rider-terrorists-high-speed-rail-target

  55. And here I thought that the Democrats were the ‘educated’ ones…

  56. For God’s sake, someone pull Slowjoe’s stash of Iron Man comics out from under his mattress and toss them. The feeble, doddering old zombie stumbling up the White House stairs won’t survive much extra stimulation.

  57. Biden was a candidate for over a year, Boehm finally found something he said that’s ridiculous . Politicians remind me of what someone (can’t remember who) said about Lillian Hellman—“everything she says is a lie, including ‘and’ and ‘the’.”

  58. Improved facts … to go with my train speed cotations, above.

    History lesson in flight speed
    =====================

    The speed of sound at sea level: 761.2 mph.

    In late 2004, NASA’s X-43A aircraft flew more than nine times as fast as MACH 1, at around 7,000 mph.

    Typical commercial airline speed: 460 – 575 mph.

    Common single-engine plane speed: 166 – 270 mph

    Cropduster speed: 147 – 180 mph

    So, little people of Biden’s administration do not need to keep up with fancy tech on the cutting edge, but I’m hunting it down.

    If the President has a folksy story to tell about airplanes and trains, then he probably phrases it in commercial terms that people who deserve the government outlined in the US Constitution, however reined, can relate to.

    And that would be commercial domain, the closest concept we have to a free market, itself regulated by the commerce clause of the same constitution — and thus by federal administration.

    Flight as well as trains each represent the status of commercially-available transit options for anyone legally in the states, because anyone else has to get past security checkpoints (is it too loud in that body bag??!)

    Commercial flights apparently do well to avoid breaking the speed of sound.

    The fastest commercial jet ever was MACH 2.2. T’was said that you could eat lunch in London and get home to New York for dinner. The Concorde has since been retired.

    No commercial flight exceeds to speed of sound today, and neither do private jets. The fastest-ever private jet traveled MACH 0.935 — the Cessna Citation X+.

    Also, any plane that breaks the sound barrier can break glass windows Below.

    Any flight vehicle that surpasses MACH 1 qualifies to be called supersonic. Thus, commercial flights would all be sub-supersonic (actually called subsonic, as in subsonic ammo as opposed to supersonic ammo. AR-15s fire supersonic ammo, for example, which shows to make them proof of assault).

    However, Virgin Galactic has a plane, or rather a type of rocket, that travels at MACH 2.47. This is not, however, a commercial flight but rather more of a novelty form of travel.

    So, I think the President generalizes the issue thus, that commercial flight does not meet nor exceed mach speeds. And saying that trains shall be reaching near airplane speeds, this very much so matches the most modern American Acela train speed at its present 150 mph.

    If the reader accepts these facts as being more or less accurate, then both writer Eric Boehm’s as well as President Joe Biden’s seemingly unreconcilable claims about train speed catching up with airplane speed can be appreciated, remarkably enough, as not in contradiction of the facts presented, respectively, by either’s rhetoric.

    “These are our facts — we have others.”

    Nonetheless, if looking at representative means in lieu of all-the-facts, then many readers would be looking at the cropduster as a financial prospect more readily within one’s own means and admiring single-engine transit flight vehicles as not-impossible (multi-seaters), whilst some of us would be willing to settle simply for just a good, simple hobbyist-type, cam-equipped drone.

  59. i’m sure Biden is right. Currently you spend about 5 minutes after arriving at the train station waiting to board, and an hour (or more) at the airport thanks to security and boarding requirements. What Biden is really saying is that TSA will be inserting additional delays to make sure the train trip would have gotten you there faster.

    1. Unlike a plane, a train is equally subject to outside terrorist attack as inside. So whatever TSA security policies are put in place for “airline” trains traveling in excess of 300 MPH, the real danger is C-4 on the track. With his HSR, the deaths from such a derailing would be horrific, and end 200+MPH “HSR” travel in America.

      1. Clearly plane presents the least disruptive delivery proposition over that of road or rail-road. Roads & rails can be re-built quickly, but bridges take feats.

        Terrorists seem to be very to-the-point about their choice of targets and seldom but rarely act to sabotage an obvious “one & all” proposition plausibly used by anyone, mom & dad & kids.
        Guy sets bridge on fire … I read of.
        Popularity evidently drives most terrorist motive, and media’s bias skew recurrent theme saturation can convey, alas, that sort of pivotal notion that one man’s action would be felt by “all pro & con involved” alike. Such illusions, or hype, can have divisive effect on incipient minds not knowing of, or perhaps not yet realizing, subordinated roles of technological artifice.

        Economically, however, trains can hope to ship the most goods at the least cost — sans C4 litter — and in reliably timely manner.

        Did anyone ever consider that the major reason that public transit budgets typically sink into deficit is not management so much as exclusion of cargo that could, for example, be loaded specifically for shops located exquisitely near metro ports? Simply add a cargo bus to the metro train and see if funding rises! (Likewise, deliver postal service by metro where possible and forego postal trucks.)

  60. Just another “short on delivery” scam. Much like alternative energy scams of the last 50 years that suck money from hard-working American Taxpayers, high-speed rail is being set up as another of these money holes to suck more money and deliver virtually nothing!

  61. The White House is the new home of Looney Tunes… “that’s all, folks.”

  62. Sure. He’s actually right about hat, as far as pure speed is concerned. Of course they have to go around all sorts of obstacles, like roads, cities, towns, hills, valleys, and bodies of water.

    Then they will run into all sorts of budget overruns, into perpetuity and never actually go anywhere.

    So even though I don’t like flying…

  63. I’d wager a hefty amount on this, at least for me.

    If you’d put Biden in a room without any of his handlers or teleprompters and ask him these 2 questions with multiple choices:

    How fast do today’s fastest trains travel?
    a. 60 miles per hour.
    b. 100 miles per hour.
    c. 300 miles per hour.
    d. 800 miles per hour.

    How fast do today’s commercial airliners travel?
    a. 100 miles per hour.
    b. 300 miles per hour.
    c. 600 miles per hour.
    d. 2000 miles per hour.
    There’s at least a 75% chance he gets both answers wrong.

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