Policy

When It Comes to Policy, Biden and Trump Aren't That Different

The president's approach to immigration, trade, and industry may sound familiar.

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Several of my friends have expressed relief now that Joe Biden is president and Donald Trump is gone. They no longer have to watch the news constantly, declaring that they know "the country is now in good hands."

There's no way to defend Trump's poor behavior and insulting style. Yet, there is more to a president than his decorum. And on at least three signature Trump policies for which he'll be remembered the most, often with dread, the similarities between Biden and Trump are unsettling.

Take immigration. President Biden campaigned against separating migrant kids from their families at the border. But, sadly, such separations are still happening. In fact, February 2021 recorded a 61 percent increase over January. As The Wall Street Journal editorialized, "The Washington Post reports that more than 8,500 migrant children are at facilities run by the Department of Health and Human Services, while another 3,500—'the highest figure ever'—are stuck at [Customs and Border Patrol] stations waiting for a spot to open at the shelters."

While the Biden administration promised an end to Trump's immigration policies, the sheer number of kids effectively still locked up in deplorable conditions exposes the Biden administration's delayed action—or possibly unwillingness—to reform the underlying policies that drive migrant children to show up unaccompanied at the border.

For starters, families who show up to ask for asylum are sent back, while unaccompanied children who cross the border will get into the country. That's an incentive to send kids alone. Moreover, it's still the policy to separate children from their more distant relatives when they show up at the border. These rules, combined with the large population that has built up over time under Trump, explains part of the increase in these border detentions.

What's more, the Cato Institute's immigration expert David Bier wrote recently that the Biden administration's changes to the "remain in Mexico" policy make the situation even worse. Families that try to cross together are still sent back to Mexico; however, unlike under the Trump administration, they aren't given a court date to make their case for asylum, or any sort of asylum process, for that matter. They are just sent back to wait in Mexico. Wait for what? It's unclear.

Biden seems to have also embraced much of the same Trump trade agenda that many on the left used to criticize as protectionist, politically driven, and unnecessarily aggressive toward our trading partners. They were also rightfully critical of his abuse of Section 232 of the Trade Expansion Act of 1962, which authorizes the president to impose tariffs in the name of national security. Unfortunately, so far, Trumpian-style abuses continue under this new administration. The Cato Institute's Scott Lincicome and Inu Manak note that Biden's first trade action was to reinstate "tariffs on aluminum from the United Arab Emirates under Section 232."

While it's still too early in the administration's term to be sure what will happen next, there are reasons to worry that Biden will not do much to roll back Trump's cronyist protectionism. The new administration has yet to remove Trump's 25 percent national security tariffs on most imported steel. Other tariffs also remain in place at the expense of U.S. consumers. The administration says it's reviewing the levies, though there's no guarantee that it will remove them, as it has signaled that it may be as protectionist as the Trump administration. Powerful evidence on this from is Biden's nonsensical "Buy American" policy.

Finally, there's little daylight between the Trump and Biden administrations on industrial policy. While each may come at the issue from different angles, the support for industrial policy offered by Trump, Biden and their followers is very similar. They suffer from the same delusion that it's an innovative idea, or that it will yield different outcomes from when it was tried in the past. It also exhibits pervasive errors in economic thinking and demonstrates an arrogant confidence that bureaucrats have sufficient knowledge to steer the economy in whatever direction they desire.

Biden shares other traits with Trump, such as his fiscal irresponsibility, a willingness to bomb foreign countries, and a soft spot for defense spending. So yeah, Trump is gone, but for those still paying attention and still watching the news, we realize that many of his policies are still firmly in place.

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  1. So yeah, Trump is gone, but for those still paying attention and still watching the news, we realize that many of his policies are still firmly in place.

    So, at what point do they become Biden’s policies? Or, are we just going to continue to blame Trump for everything that happens from now until the end of time?

    1. C’mon, man! You can’t blame Biden for any of this shit, he has no idea it’s happening.

      1. He is technically lobotomized from his second aneurysm surgery. Age hasn’t helped.

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    2. We didn’t have a lot of trouble calling Obama’s policies ‘Trump’s policies’. So I suspect that any day now they’ll be Biden’s policies. Perhaps around the time he gives a press conference.

      1. So, never.

        1. No, he’ll give a press conference to announce he’s stepping down and Kamala Harris will be taking over. At that time, they’ll become Biden’s policies. See how this all neatly fits together?

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  2. There’s no way to defend Trump’s poor behavior and insulting style. Yet, there is more to a president than his decorum.

    Damn! That’s quite an admission there. Bravo!

    1. It took every ounce of self-composure to type that sentence without screaming.

    2. Don’t be fooled. Reason writers care about mean tweets 100x more than anything else. They’re a sad, shallow lot who will never actually stand against news-media Marxists.

  3. “Take immigration. President Biden campaigned against separating migrant kids from their families at the border. ”

    So according to @reason , if a military force crosses the border illegally with “their kids”, then @reason would call them immigrants.

  4. Yea that border crisis that isn’t happening sure seems similar.
    Yea those gun laws getting pushed sure seem similar.
    Yea those taxes sure seem similar.
    Yea Trump trying to pull troops sure seems like Biden sending more.

    If you close your eyes and pretend this whole publication isn’t filled with woke imperialists, it sure seems like there’s libertarians here.

    1. Keystone pipeline, selling our oil fields…

    2. Hear, hear. What the fuck happened to Reason?

      1. mean tweets man, mean tweets.

    3. And title IX due process under Devos looks similar in Biden’s paper shredder. And remember getting rid of 2 existing regulations for every new one? Biden’s team promises 2 new regulations for every existing one. Same as Trump they just do the math differently.

  5. Sadly, Trump’s status as King of Debt could well be followed by Sleepy Joe.

    1. Go ogle a toddler.

      1. Let’s hope that ogling is the extent of any such interaction Kiddie Raper has in such a circumstance.

    2. Plus, a trillion in new taxes.

    3. The king is not a king, but a queen. And the queen’s name is Pelosi.

  6. Except for immigration, voter / vote security, energy, Russia, China, Iran, use of US military to intimidate US Representatives, Having Press Conferences, racial preferences for non asian only for colleges, net neutrality, yada,

    Other than that, the play was great.

    1. Biden has had a press conference? Did you actually take questions? And, if he ever has one [supposedly on March 25] WILL he be allowed to take questions [I doubt it]?

      1. After four years of nonstop lies in presidential press conferences I don’t care if Biden never does one.

        This is another non-issue wingnuts keep bringing up.

        1. It’s been way more than 4 years.

        2. And your particular lie is how it doesn’t matter if he ever answers a single question. Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain…

        3. “”After four years of nonstop lies in presidential press conferences I don’t care if Biden never does one.””

          Is that because you know it’s going to be another four years of lies?

        4. The funny thing is the demand for Biden to do a press conference is a complete call-out of the same demands progressives and MSM made of Trump.

          But it is funny how you have now completely flipped 180 to claim that press conferences aren’t important. I wonder if you keep that same position when the next Republican president takes office? My bet is that I highly doubt it.

        5. Biden Cultists are weird.

          1. Buttplug idolizes the Bidens. Not only are they child molesters, but they fuck their kids. Or their siblings kids. Like Hunter screwing Beau’s underage daughter from age 14 or earlier.

            The forest democrat family.

          2. Especially since it is so fake. They were screaming to have a savior from Trump and this is all they got. Now they are having to do this remarkable level of stretching to try and claim Biden is this amazing person who swooped in and saved the county.

    2. Veronica phoned this one in I think.

  7. Policy aside, Trump inherited a robust economy and tranquil foreign policy.

    Biden inherited 10% UE, a $2.5 trillion deficit, a mismanaged pandemic, Iran nuking up in retaliation, an angry NATO, record low 4 year GDP record for any POTUS, civil unrest/right wing terrorist threats, and more internal political division since 1900.

    1. “[A]nd more internal political division since 1900 ….”

      You always have to push the bullshit all the way to 11, don’t you?

      1. So the mid 19th century was the most divisive.

        The 1960s and recnet years are vying for second place.

        1. So, in other words, you lied.

          1. No, it is debatable.

            1. It is not debatable that you lied. Qualifying your lies — in other words, backtracking — does not render the initial false assertion “debatable.”

              Get lost, paid troll.

              1. Fuck you. I didn’t lie. I still think recent years is the second most divisive in US history.

                The fact that I allow debate on another period doesn’t constitute a lie.

                But here is the part you can shove up your Trump-loving ass:

                Biden inherited 10% UE, a $2.5 trillion deficit, a mismanaged pandemic, Iran nuking up in retaliation, an angry NATO, record low 4 year GDP record for any POTUS, civil unrest/right wing terrorist threats, and more internal political division since 1900.

                1. “I still think recent years is the second most divisive in US history …”

                  I guess a sitting President getting his brains blown out on live television doesn’t quite make the cut.

                  Get lost, paid troll.

                2. “I still think recent years is the second most divisive in US history …”

                  I guess FDR’s internment camps don’t quite make the cut.

                  Get lost, paid troll.

                3. “I still think recent years is the second most divisive in US history …”

                  I guess southern Democrats threatening to kill blacks for going to white schools doesn’t quite make the cut.

                  Get lost, paid troll.

                  1. Notice how geiger and other cultists employ this tactic: he spots the one item in Palin’s 8 item list for how Trump fucked up the country in many ways. 1 out of 8 of those items is somewhat up for debate. Thatt is the one item Geiger chose to make the argument about, and ignored the rest of the verifiable, mathematically certain items Palin also listed.

                    He then narrows the focus down to that item, employs personal insults, and refuses to acknowledge the rest of the argument, especially the main point. He never actually refutes Palin’s point about how Trump fucked everything up prior to Biden. Go ahead and read it again. He never does.

                    Once you recognize this pattern, you will notice this misdirection and pedantism in nearly every cultist argument.

                    1. He never actually refutes Palin’s point about how Trump fucked everything up prior to Biden.

                      Are we calling that a “point” now?

                      P.S.

                      Everybody knows it’s you, Jeff. Back in the water, little sea lion.

                    2. didn’t you but get called?

                      and then you ran?

                    3. [I]gnored the rest of the verifiable, mathematically certain items Palin also listed.

                      Jesus, Jeff.

                      I guess I’d better brush up on my calculus, Professor Sea Lion.

                    4. “didn’t you but get called?

                      and then you ran?”

                      No and no.

                      Everyone says yes until I start talking turkey, then it’s ghostville.

                      Read up the whole thread and notice a few things:

                      1. the wager was offered to Jesse, repeatedly, for probably a year now. Jesse has been offered this wager where he can win unlimited money, but for some reason doesn’t seem so certain once a few shekels are on the line.

                      2. Jesse is more than willing to let another man take his place to defend his honor. Jesse is holding Talcum’s inside-out pocket right now, as a matter of fact.

                      3. Floridaman said he’d take the wager, then disappeared when I started talking turkey. Talcum said he can verify, but also never responded to terms or with any sort of logistical communication.

                      https://reason.com/2021/03/16/the-public-has-no-real-way-of-knowing-how-many-troops-are-actually-in-afghanistan/#comment-8812675

                    5. “[W]in unlimited money …”

                      Who do you think you are? The Federal Reserve?

                    6. “. the wager was offered to Jesse”

                      Who fucking cares?

                      “2. Jesse is more than willing to ”

                      Who fucking cares?

                      “3. Floridaman said he’d take the wager, then disappeared”

                      After you suggested he “trust” you. If we fucking trusted you this wouldn’t be an issue.

                      And and anc, OTHER PEOPLE ACCEPTED.

                      SO WHO FUCKING CARES?

                      No SF operator would EVER EVER EVER make the limp dick FUCKING excuses you are passing off right here.

                      “Talcum said he can verify, but also never responded”

                      You went dark and didn’t show up again in that thread until a fucking day later after making appearances elsewhere. You were here, and hiding until they were gone.

                      De Oppresso Liber
                      March.16.2021 at 7:12 pm
                      I was promoted ahead of my peers

                      Talcum X
                      March.17.2021 at 1:18 pm
                      I’ve never met an SF guy that brags about his awards and promotions except two losers that put each other in for fake silver stars after the battle of Halabja.

                      De Oppresso Liber
                      March.17.2021 at 11:01 pm
                      What is your wager

                      Then you give out some rando fucking email address because you’re out of excuses and it took you two days to show the fuck back up. 15 minutes before 15 minutes before doesn’t mean shit to you does it stolen valor?

                    7. Yes, that must be it. I’m “making excuses” for only checking a reason.com thread three times in one day.

                      The email address is there, so now there is no excuse from anyone else. Put up real money, give your word, agree to terms, and actually show up. That’s it.

                      I’ve made myself available and done all the leg work so far to make this happen. Again, I’ve been offering this bet for over a fucking year, no one has followed through at all, so don’t try to blame me for it not coming to pass.

                    8. I emailed you.

                      Terms enclosed.

                    9. I emailed you.

                      Terms enclosed.

                      Jeff’s mom must be checking her e-mail like: “What the fuck are all these e-mails and deals? JEEEFFFFF!!!!”

                      ????

                    10. Talcum said he can verify, but also never responded to terms or with any sort of logistical communication

                      You snuck that in eleven hours later and not on the thread where everyone was accepting your offer. What a disingenuous slimebag.

                    11. Because his other 8 items have been refuted constantly. He is an idiot, and so are you. Yet he hasn’t ran away from a bet he made yet like you have.

                      Again, you and him blaming Trump for a pandemic whose economic and UE numbers were caused by lockdowns issued by Governors and Mayors shows you two to be partisan halfwits incapable of even simple discussion.

                    12. 2. Jesse is more than willing to let another man take his place to defend his honor. Jesse is holding Talcum’s inside-out pocket right now, as a matter of fact.

                      LOL. What honor could you possibly impart on anyone. You have stolen valor on your side. I have offered multiple times to look up your service records if you gave a name and you refused to. I don’t trust liars like yourself. But others are willing to call you on your BS more than I am. So you ran. You ran away every time you are confronted. You are free to say who you are. Multiple people including myself are more than willing to look up your service record and verify for you. You have refused every time idiot.

                    13. Damik, no email received. Try again.

                      DeOpressoLiber42069@gmail.com

                    14. fucking edit button.

                      DeOppressoLiber42069@gmail.com

                      2 p’s.

                  2. Jesse, you keep asserting stolen valor, but you have not earned that right. You are speculating and you are libeling.

                    Tell you what, since you are such a fucking disingenuous pussy, how about you at least commit to apologizing when whoever has an ounce more courage than you eventually comes back here and confirms I am truthful? Or are you going to continue your childish and cowardly ways? I think I know the answer, but it would be nice to get you to commit before confirmation.

                4. Your failure is your continued insistence that Trump was the cause of the pandemic and Biden is the cure for said pandemic. You’re an idiot.

              2. Buttplug should be lawfully executed.

    2. tranquil foreign policy” you mean Obama bending over and letting Iran build a nukes. being a sheep is tranquil but being a sheep that lets the wolf(iran) in the gate is just stupid retarded but then we never did see Obama’s Transcripts

    3. LOL. So you didn’t bother to look at CBO projections on debt due to growth in ACA and entitlement costs from 2014-2016. Can’t say you aren’t persistent in your ignorance.

    4. Tranquil foreign policy? You’re kidding with this, right? What about the JV team? What about Syrian war? What about China’s movements in the South China Sea? What about the Russian interference in our elections that didn’t matter until Dems needed it to delegitimize Trump’s presidency? What about Russia talking over parts of the Ukraine? Etc. Good lord.

      And seriously, are you going to be intellectually dishonest about UE, deficit, and low GDP due to the pandemic. How about you end your time period January 1, 2020 for a more honest assessment about the economy?

      And Iran was backed into a corner so much that Middle East Peace deals were beginning to occur left and right because everyone realized isolating and not giving in to Iran was the proper approach. The loss of Trump’s Middle East foreign policy is going to be a real shame.

      And NATO should be angry. Sorry that they were called out and required to pay their fair share. Diplomacy doesn’t always mean being as nice, tranquil, and as much of a pushover as possible in order for people to like you rather than fulfilling their obligations.

      And mismanaged pandemic? Everyone mismanaged it, including the current Biden administration. Yet, the vaccine portion is kicking ass, and that’s all thanks to the Trump admin.

      And l civil unrest? Did you miss the Obama years?

      And internal political division? You mean that division that started under Obama that resulted in Trump’s election. That has then been amplified by the left to the highest order to sow division across the country? I like how the left creates the massive amounts of division in this country over their temper tantrum about Trump and then turns around and blames Trump for all the division. It reminds me of the Menendez brothers claiming leniency because they lost their parents.

      And threats of right wing terrorism? I actually laughed out loud thinking about that. You know that right-wing terrorism is as common and abundant as a political who doesn’t lie, right? This fantasy boogeyman that the left keeps hammering on is so pathetic at this point.

      Honestly. The gaslighting and intellectual dishonesty in your comment is so astronomical at this point that you can’t really be serious with it.

  8. I have lefty friends. It was never about policy.

    When Biden does the same shit they will take comfort in that fact nothing else could really be done. But at least now they don’t have to read about it.

    1. Gangster affiliation mentality.
      The [WE] mob.
      Policy, Reason, and Reality never did matter to lefties.

  9. Koch / Reason libertarianism provides one key metric with which to judge the effectiveness of Presidents: the net worth of our benefactor Charles Koch.

    In 2020, while Drumpf was President, Mr. Koch lost over $5 billion.

    In 2021, with the Biden Administration just several weeks old, Mr. Koch has already gained almost $5 billion.

    This isn’t a coincidence. It’s because Biden knows his base consists of billionaires, Wall Street, and multinational corporations, and he’s doing exactly what those groups want him to do.

    #LibertariansForBiden

    1. PS — Of course Biden also deserves credit for shutting down the virus as he promised during the campaign.

      1. Over 100,000 were murdered by the China virus in his first month.

      1. A great example of what I call OpenBordersLiberal-tarian’s First Law.

        Democrats are unlikely to run ads or deliver speeches boasting about their support among billionaires; if anything they tend to push an “eat the rich” message instead. But that’s only to trick a few poor voters into staying in their coalition. As soon as they attain power, Democrats govern in an unmistakably pro-billionaire manner.

  10. “Biden campaigned against separating migrant kids from their families at the border. But, sadly, such separations are still happening.”

    But the parents are doing the separations now, not the Border Patrol, and sending their kids across with coyotes…and that’s so much better.

  11. With Trump you had a person interested in the position of the US in the world without regard to far left policies that elevate race sex and gender above all else (because those wedge issues divide Americans so that neo marxism can fill the gap). With Trump you got a willingness to deal with realities as they are not as they are presented in echo chambers on the internet by squishy liberals and far left nutjobs.

    Now we have a senile president who cannot answer simple questions and creates false stories of chest pounding Putin with uncritical non analyses by the media (despite the fact that the video evidence of Biden ten years ago negates his stance on Russia). America’s competitors and enemies are watching, and will soon recognize that the American left and our weakened military are no match.

    Witness a bolder China that has concentration camps for non Han Chinese, continues to expand its sphere of influence throughout Asia and Africa, incorporates former free states into its territory, and ruthlessly policies its citizens for thought crimes. If that sounds familiar, well history is now about to repeat.

  12. When It Comes to Policy, Biden and Trump Aren’t That Different

    Yet one was an existential threat to the fabric of the nation.

    1. LOL! So true.

  13. “separating migrant kids from their families at the border”

    Such fucking bs. The kids are showing up without parents. They aren’t being separated. The separation occurred before they showed up. The problem is ICE and DHS. They were bulit for enforcement not for humanitarianism. And they are teaming with knuckle draggers. Of course they’re going to fail. They’re pigs. We need a new organization. One that hires social workers instead of cops. One that builds hotels or something instead of detention centers. But we also need Mexico to shut their border down so that they can’t reach our border.

    1. This post may win irony of the year.

      1. + 3 O’Henrys

    2. The kids are showing up without parents. They aren’t being separated. The separation occurred before they showed up.

      Wow.

      We need a new organization … that builds hotels or something instead of detention centers.

      I can think of one such organization, but it would probably make your brain explode.

      1. The Trump organization builds hotels, right?

        1. Cages.

    3. Racist!

    4. If only liberals were allowable of parents that let their kid walk several blocks to school as they are allowing kids to travel across Mexico. One kid gets awarded with a new life. The other gets forcibly separated from their parents.

    5. “Such fucking bs. The kids are showing up without parents. They aren’t being separated. The separation occurred before they showed up.”

      Asleep for the last four years? Trump was lambasted for the EXACT SAME PROBLEM, son.

      “One that hires social workers instead of cops.”

      So one that replaces marginally competent people with people who are wholly incompetent?

  14. Maybe the family separation policy at the borders is a more complicated reality to deal with than the emotion driven bumper sticker narrative that was exploited by the Democrats to beat on Trump. This was exploited despite the fact that Trump’s policy was a continuation of the Obama administration policy, and therefore the Democrats do not really care about it now that Trump is gone. Like the Democrats did not much care about antiwar rhetoric once Obama had taken over from Bush.

    You got fooled again.

    1. Trump inherited it from Obama/Biden. Biden inherited it from Trump/Pence. Ipso facto, Biden inherited it from himself, but it is still Trump’s fault.

      1. It has to be Trump’s fault. Democrats are incapable of accountability.

    2. Pete Townshend told ’em, but they didn’t listen.

      1. c’mon join the party dressed to kill.

      2. I wanna bite and kiss you?

        1. Gov Cuomo, no means no.

          1. Can’t I least smell their neck and touch their shoulders like President Biden?

  15. Oh really? No way!

  16. I was curious enough, for all the reasons listed above by others, to click a few links. I feel this explains a lot. From the Mercatus Center at George Mason University:
    Before moving to the United States, she oversaw academic programs in France for the Institute for Humane Studies Europe. She received her MA in economics from the Paris Dauphine University and her PhD in economics from the Pantheon-Sorbonne University.

  17. Incumbent: A, B, C, D, E.

    Alternative: D, E, F, G, H

    It is irrational to make you choice based on the desirability of “D” and “E” because you get them both with either alternative, and any libertarian who failed to support the incumbent on the basis of “D” (immigration) and “E” (trade policy) were irrational to do so.

    I suspect some of my fellow libertarians thought they were looking at a false dichotomy, but dichotomies are only false when they’re false. There were only two possible outcomes, and the more authoritarian and socialist of the two winning did nothing good for the cause of libertarian capitalism. No good objectives were met, and no good lessons were learned. Hopefully, the Republican establishment didn’t learn to ignore the concerns of libertarian capitalists.

    1. I have often seen the “smartest guys in the room” make very stupid decisions, in spite of available evidence that they shouldn’t. This is often due to things like group think, the urge to be a “team player,” and just as often, plain hubris.

      Our political leadership, for much of our nations history, has been shrouded in some notion of being “in the know” and having our best interests in mind. This is bullshit. They do not know or care, they just want to keep the status quo and the gravy train running. And stay in office for their entire lives.

    2. A: Conservative federal judicial nominees.
      B: Deregulation.
      C: Foreign anti-interventionist.

      F: Liberal federal judicial nominees.
      G: Regulations.
      H: Foreign interventionist.
      I: Increased taxation.
      J: Green new deal.
      K: Etc.

      1. Attempts to ban whatever guns they can get away with and further restrict parts and ammo.
        Removing much better guidance on Title IX for education.
        Allowing CRT bullshit to be pushed in federal agencies.
        We’re all right wing extremists now!

        Yeah, pretty awful.

        1. Promotion of American energy and, thus, reducing gas prices.

          A massive uptick since January based largely on Biden’s promised policies is a massive “tax” of the most regressive nature.

      2. HUGE FUCKING L: Oppositional governance.

        Trump had his own people calling him a fucking idiot, even when he was doing things like pulling troops out of endless foreign interventions. Biden can’t even start off his speech by saying the word ‘tonight’ correctly and everyone around him looks like a human this-is-fine.jpg meme.

  18. This I gotta see. I’ll come back after I read the article.

  19. your friends are idiots.

  20. This is one of the worst attempts at gaslighting that I have ever read.

    1. Indeed.

      It is basically a longwinded way of saying “Biden is only bad because he’s Trump.”

      Reason should be renamed Shameless.

      1. No, no….The alternative name to Reason is Emote.

        I’d love to claim credit, but R Mac came up with that. It is perfect.

  21. Trump’s poor behavior and insulting style.
    Those actions by Trump were in self defense against a proven lying media and politicians. Trump never said anything bad about anyone until they attacked him.

    BTW Reason how is your gas bill this month. mine is almost doubled thanks to sleepy joe. The last two recessions occurred when gas went to $4.00/gal. some places it is now $5/gal. be prepared for this new and longer recession. why longer because every recession the government does more to help than the last time and it only makes it worse.

    1. Oil/gas prices plummeted due to the shitty Trump economy, you moron.

      1. LOL

        The volume on the bullshit amplifier only goes to 11. Anything above that (and I know you are trying hard) is wasted energy. When people get with level 20 bullshit, they just laugh. See above “LOL”

        1. Idiot. Last March/April there was so much oil that the price went to zero for a barrel when the economy nearly stopped.

          The price today is $63/bbl – right about normal.

          1. It’s so weird how you and DOL show up at EXACTLY THE SAME TIME.

          2. “[D]ue to the shitty Trump economy …..”

            LOL

            Amplifying it to 25 just makes for bigger laughs, pop tart.

          3. “The price today is $63/bbl – right about normal.”

            Assholes who claim to know the ‘right’ price simply prove they are econ ignoramuses.

      2. you misspelled “the fracking Biden banned”

      3. “”Oil/gas prices plummeted due to the shitty Trump economy,””

        So Trump did help the poor by lowering their transportation costs?

      4. it plummeted when multiple democrat states told, no forced, everyone to stay home for a year. Trump didn’t crash the economy democrats did.

      5. “Oil/gas prices plummeted due to the shitty Trump economy, you moron.”

        turd imagines that repeating one of his lies often enough will make it true; turd is a fucking lefty ignoramus.

  22. >>There’s no way to defend Trump’s poor behavior and insulting style.

    I’ll defend it. T was awesome because he knew Washington (R) and (D) are a laughable combined entity, and everyone who was on the business end of his behavior and style deserved it. Hard.

    1. Trump was elected because of his style and we knew he would not back down to the democrats and media like 99% of the republicans. for some reason republicans seem to think what the media thinks of them is what matters when what matters is what us voters think

      1. “[W]hat matters is what us voters think ….”

        When votes are just scribbles on a postcard, what voters think doesn’t really matter either.

    2. The press colluded and lied about Trump for his entire administration. Start to finish. I would’ve had few qualms if he decided to shoot several of them.

      “He’s insulting the press”. So did Obama and Biden, just the press loved it back then.

      After the recent media scandal involving the Georgia election issue…the media is utterly useless. Our First Amendment deserves better.

    3. There’s no way to defend Trump’s poor behavior and insulting style.

      I politely suggest that anyone who thinks insulting style, especially with regard to politicians and the media, should warrant defending go fuck themselves.

      1. “It’s insulting to have someone like him talk down to us like that. We deserve better.”

        No you fucking don’t. Brett Kavanaugh has every right to talk down to you inept dumbasses like that. Nick Sandmann has every right to talk down to you dumbasses like that. Every person and every business owner who was killed or had their business burned down because of “peaceful protests” has every right to talk down to you inept dumbasses like that. Every cop who shot an armed suspect violating a restraining order in the back has every right to talk down to you dumbasses like that. You don’t just deserve to be talked down to like that, you earned it.

        You spent four+ years talking about how Trump and the opposition to S230 was the greatest threat to free speech in this country’s history. Look around, legacy media is collapsing. It’s being replaced by hyper-partisan groupthink-enforcing digitial media, a speech format that rose to dominance based on frankness and unfiltered message delivery. A format that you’re not substantially deriding except to regurgitate the groupthink and complain that sometimes words get used that you don’t like. Guess what? *You’re* the biggest threat to free speech in this country’s history. That’s why people aren’t afraid to think out loud that you’re utter fucking garbage.

        “We do not need a censorship of the press. We have a censorship by the press… It is not we who silence the press. It is the press who silences us.” – G.K. Chesterton

  23. And in places where they are different, Biden seems to be way worse in almost every way. I was never a Trump guy, but I can’t think of anything that Biden has done that is better than what Trump had done or would likely have done.

  24. While each may come at the issue from different angles, the support for industrial policy offered by Trump, Biden and their followers is very similar. They suffer from the same delusion that it’s an innovative idea, or that it will yield different outcomes from when it was tried in the past. It also exhibits pervasive errors in economic thinking and demonstrates an arrogant confidence that bureaucrats have sufficient knowledge to steer the economy in whatever direction they desire.

    What “angle” does Trump take on this? Where has Trump left in the hands of bureaucrats the steering of the economy, and/or expressed a preference for doing so? Can you come up with a single example other than international trade, which you’ve already covered, meaning you’re referring to some other industrial policy? I think you’re just asserting this without any evidence in Trump’s case because you want it to come out that way.

    Was it Operation Warp Speed? I.e. clearing the path thru FDA for marketing of vaccines for a certain disease? And thereby producing an object lesson that policy advocates can use for a generation to come, showing that drug regulation slows things down more than it has to? Or was the problem having the US government buy the vaccines?

  25. “There’s no way to defend Trump’s poor behavior and insulting style”

    He deployed it against Ted Cruz, Hillary Clinton, Jeb and W Bush, Marco Rubio and a hundred other assholes who deserved to be taken down a dozen or so pegs.

  26. As most commenters have noted, this article’s headline & content is unmitigated horseshit—the author must be a cretin.
    What the almighty fuck happened to Reason Magazine?
    There’s zero reason for its existence if it can’t spot differences between this administration and the last–as regards expansion of the State and serious diminution of individual liberties across the fucking spectrum. (In fact, of course, beyond not spotting ’em, it vomits up an article promoting the idiocy that those differences do not exist.) Gross.

    1. I think we’re in the “wear the dead institution as a mask and demand respect” phase.

  27. They way democrats use immigrant children as political props and discard them when they’re no longer useful is disgusting.

  28. Sure, sure; Except Trump only expanded CONSTITUTIONAL powers of the federal while diminishing UN-Constitutional law while the left expands every UN-Constitutional law while pretending the Constitutional job of the fed is ‘racist’ ONLY when a Non-Nazi (def; National Socialist) affiliated President is elected.

    Lefties love [WE] gang dictatorship over Individuals.

  29. “”For starters, families who show up to ask for asylum are sent back, while unaccompanied children who cross the border will get into the country. That’s an incentive to send kids alone.””

    The incentives is how Trump and Biden differ. Trump made attempts to remove the incentives.

  30. Reason has totally lost it when it comes to reality.
    Trump and Biden have the same immigration policies?

    There is one other big difference, Trump had to fight to get anything done, Biden only has to “dictate” and it happens. That is not good.

  31. “There’s no way to defend Trump’s poor behavior and insulting style. Yet, there is more to a president than his decorum. And on at least three signature Trump policies for which he’ll be remembered the most, often with dread, the similarities between Biden and Trump are unsettling.”

    I am shocked, shocked that two septuagenarian, East Coast, lifelong Democrats are so very alike. The quite small substantive differences derive from their differing perspective roles Biden a lifelong Democrat legislator and Trump a lifelong Democrat crony-donor. Trump’s poor behavior and insulting style and running as a Republican was the Wizard’s curtain hiding the weak, little, wrinkled, old fraud who had dredged up every bad old Democrat idea to rebrand as Trumpism for sale to the gullible and functionally and historically illiterate.

    Nominating and continuing to support Trump was the Republican surrender to core Democrat ideology, albeit with different window dressing. Until Trump and Trumpism are fully despised and disposed of both big parties are Democrat parties headed by septuagenarian, East Coast, lifelong Democrats – one honestly and the other fraudulently so.

    1. “I am shocked, shocked that two septuagenarian, East Coast, lifelong Democrats are so very alike.”

      I’m not at all shocked that TDS-addled shits like you can’t tell the difference.

    2. Rod Blagojevich, a felon and Democrat former governor, seems an unlikely source for the most stunningly succinct and piercing political and ideological summation of a President and his political followers, until you consider that in this case his being a felon and a Democrat provided him the necessary and perfect perspective.

      “I’m a Trumpocrat,” ~ Rod Blagojevich

      1. Gee, what a waste of bandwidth, not surprisingly.

  32. “There’s no way to defend Trump’s poor behavior and insulting style…”

    Yes there is.
    First, seek treatment for your raging TDS, then focus on what he did instead your adolescent fixation on personality.
    IOWs, grow up and act like an adult.

    1. You could say “grow up and be an adult” to Trump instead of defending his pathetic ass.

      But hey, cultists gonna cult.

      1. You could try getting out of the 6th grade again this year; no use telling you to grow up.

  33. What a load of crap. He’s been in office 58 days. How about we let him, you know, handle the GLOBAL PANDEMIC shit before we start haranguing him for every policy that hasn’t been changed yet.

    What a dumb “article.”

    1. “…How about we let him, you know, handle the GLOBAL PANDEMIC shit before we start haranguing him for every policy that hasn’t been changed yet…”

      You mean with the vaccines he ‘didn’t have’, TDS-addled lefty shit?

  34. “When It Comes to Policy, Biden and Trump Aren’t That Different”:
    What an inane thesis. The two could not be more different in this regard. Conman Trump had zero interest in policy as such. His sole concern was strengthening and perpetuating his hold on power, policy details be damned. In addition to long, broad, and deep experience in national governance, Biden has no designs on subverting democracy and destroying American political institutions and international alliances.

    1. Brand new TDS-addled shit.

    2. OBL understudy?

  35. Here on Reason, Veronique has never written anything especially bright or even based in reality. I think she’s angling to be the new Shikha.

  36. Reality Check “First and foremost, Hitler saw the State as the ideal form of social organization; managed by people dedicated to making it finer and stronger. Wrong! He failed totally to get his premise right, i.e., that individual humans each own themselves, and should interact only when and how each wishes to do so – in what we call the “market.” This fundamental error he shares with all who favor the continuing existence of government. Thus, at root, every politician is a Nazi.” ~ Jim,Davies

  37. Did I miss the memo? I thought Reason was a libertarian publication? Not some left wing apologist blog. Seriously tho, did imagine that this was a libertarian entity?

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