Gavin Newsom

No, a Potential Recall of California Gov. Gavin Newsom Is Not a Threat to Democracy

It may, however, be a consequence of authoritarian COVID-19 responses that failed to keep citizens safe.

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California Gov. Gavin Newsom will be in Los Angeles today to give the annual State of the State address in Dodger Stadium, possibly connecting the setting to the fact that theme parks and stadiums will finally be allowed to reopen here, months behind many other states' reopenings.

In the meantime, a movement to recall Newsom has picked up steam amid the state's harsh lockdowns, and organizers have announced they have surpassed the 1.5 million signatures needed for a special election. California may be voting on whether to replace Newsom this fall.

Republicans actually launched the recall campaign months before the spread of COVID-19 prompted Newsom's authoritarian responses. This isn't unusual—people attempt to recall politicians all the time in California. The secretary of state's office notes every recall petition circulated for state officials, almost all of which fail to make the ballot. There were three other attempts to recall Newsom last year, and three more in 2019 that all failed to make the ballot. In 2019, the lieutenant governor, state treasurer, attorney general, secretary of state, controller, and insurance commissioner were all targets of failed recalled efforts. Heck, Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, who was put into office because of the successful recall of Gov. Gray Davis, was himself the subject of seven failed recall petitions.

But this one is different. Things are not golden in California right now. Initially, it appeared that California's Sacramento-mandated shutdown actually staved off some of the worst of the pandemic's spread. But the second spike in the fall hit hard. The rate of infections and deaths is still much lower than in states like New York and New Jersey, but California is actually on par with Florida's numbers. Florida has notably refused to implement restrictions and lockdowns as harsh as California's, and Republican Gov. Ron DeSantis has been a consistent target of criticism for it. And yet, forcing the shutdown of places like Disneyland and the public school system has not kept Californians any safer than Floridians.

That this recall may well make the ballot has prompted Democratic political leaders to respond in opposition to the effort. President Joe Biden is already on the record (via White House Press Secretary Jen Psaki) as opposing the recall.

Sen. Bernie Sanders (I–Vt.) weighed in on Monday with a particularly dumb take:

First of all, some Democratic leaders have this particular way of saying they're "listening to the science" and then implementing whatever policies they wanted to implement anyway, regardless of whether it's actually where the science leads. Sanders himself claims to want to reduce and eventually eliminate the use of fossil fuels, but will proudly ignore the science that says you need nuclear power to do so. Like many politicians, Sanders supports science to the extent that science supports him.

But that's not the dumbest part of the take. In reality, it was California's progressive movement that gave citizens the ability to recall elected officials in the early part of the 20th century. According to historians, railroad magnates were using their power and money to make sure California politicians protected their monopoly. Progressive candidates couldn't make inroads, and the recall was a way to give citizens an opportunity to force corrupt politicians out of office.

Far from being a threat to democracy, the recall is a way for citizens to respond when an elected official is not doing what they were sent to office to do. By the same token, that's why ballot initiatives can be so valuable. In November, Californians actually used ballot initiatives to veto the favored policies of the Democratic establishment.

A healthy democracy will allow voters to shut down bad or harmful behavior by elected officials. Was the initial launch of Newsom's recall driven by conservative politics? Most certainly. But in a state where the number of registered Democrats is now nearly twice the number of Republicans, a potentially successful recall petition should be seen as a great big red flag that Newsom's decisions this past year do not match the citizens' needs.

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  1. “A healthy democracy will allow voters to shut down bad or harmful behavior by elected officials.”

    Well, that sounds exactly like INSURRECTION!!! to me.

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          2. What? Whoa! This is heavy.

      3. If you had read both versions, you’d know.

        1. The joke is on you. I didn’t read either version.

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          1. FALSE and FALSE is still FALSE.

    2. Recalling an elected official by peaceful means outlined by the established government don’t fit the definition of “insurrection” at all:

      Merrian-Webster: insurrection: an act or instance of revolting against civil authority or an established government

      Oxford Languages: insurrection: a violent uprising against an authority or government.

      dictionary.com: insurrection: an act or instance of rising in revolt, rebellion, or resistance against civil authority or an established government.

      1. Walking around taking selfies unarmed is also not the definition of insurrection. Yet you persist.

        1. How about bashing in a man’s skull???

          1. When did that happen? Oh, you mean when the police do it.

            1. ….. with a fire extinguisher.

              1. If you’re gonna do that, might as well go big.

                They didn’t find any footage of it being crushed with a fire extinguisher because his skull was crushed with the jawbone of an ass. Or, better yet, someone’s bare hands.

              2. When did that happen?

                1. Wow! Okay. Totally ignorant, but here goes.

                  I guess you just conveniently missed all of the news coverage about the wild gang of heavily armed Trump supporters corralling a defenseless Capitol Police Officer into a giant steel cage before proceeding to force him — at gunpoint — to stand alone in the middle while one of them (the fattest, heaviest one) climbed to the top of the cage, approximately twenty feet, and then dropped down on the Officer’s head with a fire extinguisher in his hands like some crazy stunt out of WWE. The Officer’s head immediately exploded like a watermelon! And there were chunks of brain everywhere and I think one of those chunks even landed on AOC.

                  1. And instantly doubled her brain capacity.

                    1. LOL

                  2. “…The Officer’s head immediately exploded like a watermelon!…”

                    Well, not really. It exploded the next day, ’cause TRUMP!.

                    1. IMMEDIATELY exploded the next day.

                  3. Ah, I see. I *did* miss that. No wonder people are so mad!

        2. ZIIIIPPPPP TIIIEEESSSS!!!!!

        3. I dunno. This looks like violence to me. https://youtu.be/FSPhQPNJBvU
          But I’ve heard some say that this was Antifa did it. What a joke, 😀 😀 😀 😀 Just face it. Trump gathered these people, and it’s because of him that they did it. They could not bear the fact that their god lost the election.

      2. ok jeff

      3. HO2

      4. Woke-Dictionary:

        Violence, vi·​o·​lence | \ ˈvī-lən(t)s: any speech or silence on any subject that offends someone, somewhere.

      5. Merrian-Webster: insurrection: an act or instance of revolting against civil authority or an established government

        revolt verb
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        re·​volt | \ ri-ˈvōlt also -ˈvȯlt \
        revolted; revolting; revolts
        Definition of revolt (Entry 1 of 2)
        intransitive verb

        1: to renounce allegiance or subjection (as to a government) : REBEL

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        sub·​ject | \ ˈsəb-jikt , -(ˌ)jekt \
        Definition of subject (Entry 1 of 3)
        1: one that is placed under authority or control: such as
        a: VASSAL
        b(1): one subject to a monarch and governed by the monarch’s law
        (2): one who lives in the territory of, enjoys the protection of, and owes allegiance to a sovereign power or state

        White Knight looks stooooopid again!

        1. Well done.

          WHAT SAYETH THE WHITE KNIGHT IN RETORT???!!!

          1. She can say nothing.

          2. What he sayeth is if you are following a recall process set out by California state law you are certainly not rebelling against the established government of California.

            1. Woooooosh!

      6. Here’s Dee to squawk all over a thread clearly full of jokes autistically.

        1. Dee isn’t autistic, just stupid. Really putting the ‘tard’ into ‘progtard’.

    3. There are some elected officials that were actually claiming the recall IS an insurrection. I’m sure there are people dumb enough to buy it.

    4. There is no such thing as a healthy de-mob-ocracy. Our brilliant founders knew that fact and mandated a republic in Article 4, Section 4, U. S. Constitution. Since our government “schools” don’t teach the difference, see http://www.diffen.com/difference/Democracy_vs_Republic

      Yes, I’m an enemy of democracy. Are you an enemy of our republic?

  2. Aw man Bernie should have used Vast Right Wing Conspiracy. Or is that owned by the Clintons.

    1. I think you have to drink three times just for that one post.

      1. “I think you have to drink three times just for that one post.”

        Bernie … drink
        Vast Right Wing Conspiracy … drink
        Clintons … drink

        Yep, your math checks out.

  3. California? Local story.

    1. Yes but local to the nation’s largest state by far population-wise.

  4. What are you talking about? We can’t just let voters decide, we need to Fortify Democracy to make sure we get the Proper Outcome, thus the more of a say voters get in the Outcome, the more Dangerous it is to Our Democracy.

    1. Agreed. Democracy is too important to let the wrong people have a say in it.

      1. But who are the wrong people? There can’t be a set criteria or tests or whatever to be able to determine who can and cannot vote

    2. Democracy is too important to be left to the voters.

    3. Democracy. Now fortified with Vitamin D.

    4. I mean they did that with prob 8 lol. Voted down in 2008 with overwhelming African American opposition. Made legal by the legislature a few years later regardless of referendum.

  5. The Renaissance Italians knew how to hold elections, schedule them every three months. Give voters no time to forget what the politicians did in office.

    1. How awful! We can’t let voters overturn the results of a Legitimate Election, that’s Undermining Our Democracy!

    2. I like it. Also cuts down on the campaigning, politicking, and fundraising. Achieve your objectives and you get another 3 mos. Grandstand with Green New Deals and you’re out. Nobody would “invest” in someone who would lose their job in 3 mos. but, to unseat an incumbent, they might.

      1. Exactly, no time for bullshit theater.

  6. Never trust a man who moisturizes that much.

    1. He’s just naturally oily.

      1. Not sure how, but pretty sure that’s racist.

      2. Greasy is a more inclusive term.

  7. So thousands of people going through a state process to demand a new election is a threat to democracy? Thanks for pointing that out, self-described socialist from a far-off state. Definitely gonna take that into consideration.

    1. Democracy is a threat to democracy. Opposing the elites is a threat to this country. We should not be in any measure surprised that the same people that believe speech is literally violence believe that legal processes to hold politicians accountable are actually illegal attempts to subvert the rule of law.

      Everything is backward with these fascists.

      1. It isn’t fascist if you put “anti” in front of it.

        1. They’re Anti-Fascists because they call themselves Anti-Fascists. It’s just like the Nazis weren’t socialists despite calling themselves…wait a second…

          1. Now you’re getting it.

          2. “It’s just like the Nazis weren’t socialists despite calling themselves…wait a second…”

            You can point out to a Leftwinger that the Nazis were explicitly the party of National Socialism, you can even point out the Nazi party agenda which clearly pushed for multiple socialist items. But you can’t make them believe that the Nazis were actual Socialists. It’s not a Fact they are willing to entertain.

      2. chemjeff radical individualist
        February.26.2021 at 10:42 am
        So you’re arguing for elites to have power to overrule the mob?

        Sometimes – yes. See the French Revolution for a case study of what happens when the mob runs amok.

  8. Guy even looks like he’s selling snake oil.

    1. He’s soaking in oil.

      1. Yeah, he’s got enough in his hair to power Doc Brown back to the future.

        1. o·le·ag·i·nous
          /ˌōlēˈajənəs/

          adjective
          1.
          rich in, covered with, or producing oil; oily or greasy.
          “fabrics would quickly become filthy in this oleaginous kingdom”
          2.
          exaggeratedly and distastefully complimentary; obsequious.
          “candidates made the usual oleaginous speeches in the debate”

      2. soaking in something

        1. Speaking of which, he was married to Kimberly Guilfoyle in her prime.

          1. Ehh.

          2. soaking in Kimberly Guilfoyle would probably be a hoot

      3. Definitely soaking in oil money. All of his business ventures got major seed money from the Getty Foundation.

        Completely unrelated, Gavin Newsom’s father grew up and went to prep school with J. Paul Getty and manages the foundation’s wealth after a career as Corporate Counsel for Getty Oil and their global subsidiaries.

        1. “Definitely soaking in oil money. All of his business ventures got major seed money from the Getty Foundation…”

          Like nearly all D CA politicos, his actual experience in business amounts to a value very close to zero.
          I’m sure he doesn’t even read, nor understand, the quarterlies from ‘his’ businesses; he has ‘people’ to do so.

      4. Must be the oil from the Middle East

    2. It also looks to me like he’s not wearing a mask, unlike the people behind him.

      WHERE’S YOUR FUCKING FACE MASK NEWSOM??

      1. Matthew McConaughey wouldn’t play him in the biopic if he was wearing a mask.

        1. Matthew mconaughy won’t play him because he’s wearing a shirt

      2. He’s an aristocrat. The aura of his righteousness protects him from the COVID miasma better than any combination of masks could.

        1. More like there’s some things a coronavirus just won’t do.

          1. Newsome has definitely been infected…..by the cronyvirus. 🙂

          2. Virus know better than to stick it in crazy?

      3. At least he’s trying to socially distance himself from the microphone.

        On a side note, I find it amazing that his hair gel manages to keep the waves in his hair going all the way across his forehead without interruption. Although I suppose it could just be that he has a rippled skull.

      4. Come on, Mikey, you know he is wearing a whole skin suit.

  9. Californians are always proud of their initiative and recall processes- until they aren’t.

    1. Liberals in CA don’t like the initiative and recall process much.

  10. No Bernie, it’s not just about masks. And what in the fuck have you ever known about science?
    Gavin relieved PG&E of liability for killing a bunch of people. This was done on a Friday afternoon so nobody would notice and after .7 million dollars was donated to Gavin’s wives’ charity.
    It’s called corruption.
    He also fucked his best friends’ wife. This does not fall under “we all make mistakes sometimes”.
    It’s called a lack of morality and decency.
    I signed the petition due to Gavins corruption, lack of morality and decency.

    1. He’s fucked all of us in CA one way or another – why should his best friend’s wife be any different?

    2. Nuisance didn’t dare let the PG&E case get into court, where they would have been able to use discovery against the state slugs who wouldn’t let them clean up the transmission right-of-way. Too many of his donors’ fingerprints are on those files.

    3. “…Gavin relieved PG&E of liability for killing a bunch of people…”
      He may have done so, but his predecessor, pulling some number out of his ass as a goal, required PG&E to divert much of its resources to converting to ‘sustainable’ energy, thereby reducing what PG&E had to maintain its power lines.
      Moonbeam has fucked CA several times over; he did nothing at all (twice) to increase water storage, thereby making every sub-average rainfall year a DROUGHT!

  11. On behalf of El Dorado County – Fuck you Newsome! Your gonna be fired!

  12. On behalf of El Dorado County – Fuck off Newsome! Your gonna be fired!

  13. On behalf of El Dorado County – Resign or be prosecuted!

  14. Since when did Reason censure or comments? Told me to slow down?

    1. Don’t fuck with the squirrels, bro.

    2. I agree with the squirrels.

    3. Throw a few Shoprite mentions in there, I think they get a cut.

  15. Caption:
    “So am I really smaller than the bastard that cuckolded me? I grant you that it’s quite debatable.”

  16. Is it also pro-democracy when the right tries to install a president who never won the popular vote even if he also loses by the actual rules of the game? They’ll use referenda if it gets them what they want, which is power, though it might as well be armed insurrection for all they care.

    How many governors and other politicians who outright fomented rebellion against basic hygiene measures should be recalled for their recklessness?

    1. Are you in 3rd grade?

      Democracy = when people vote for things by elections

      Insurrection = when people use violence or the threat of violence to achieve their objectives

      1. We’re a republic, not a democracy.

        They want to control California again, that’s all this is.

      2. “Are you in 3rd grade?”

        Best years of his life, so far.

    2. LMAO

      Good shit, dude.

      1. +100000

    3. “Arguing with anonymous strangers on the Internet is a sucker’s game because they almost always turn out to be—or to be indistinguishable from—self-righteous sixteen-year-olds possessing infinite amounts of free time.”

      Neal Stephenson

  17. They tied the same “threat to democracy” bullshit line with the KY recall petition.

    In fact, calling the petitioners terrorists akin to those who attacked the capitol during the Jan 6 INSURRECTION was the very first tactic from the governor.

    1. When progs try to impeach or recall someone from the opposite party, it’s called the rule of law, democracy, or peaceful dissent. If anyone else tries to, it’s insurrection/treason.

      I saw some of the comments in the NYT from Cuomo’s groupies defending him against the latest sexual harassment and COVId bungling and they were worse than any I’ve seen from the trumpers .

      1. When progs try to impeach or recall someone from the opposite party, it’s called the rule of law, democracy, or peaceful dissent. If anyone else tries to, it’s insurrection/treason.

        Unless they do it at the ballot box then they call it “Of course, the election was immaculate! How could you even suggest otherwise without any evidence whatsoever?!”

  18. Democrats think “threat to our power and control” and “threat to our democracy” are synonyms.

    Newsom has no real leadership ability or skills. His only talents are pandering, lying and overreaching. If he is recalled, he will be replaced with someone who isn’t materially better because CA Democrats don’t have anything better to offer.

    1. Agreed on his replacement. But I signed the petition because politicians need to be reminded occasionally that we’re paying attention.

    2. To progs, merely lifting all restrictions from Disneyland and other theme partks would be considered materially better.

  19. Career politicians [like Sanders] do not like anything that could possibly threaten their livelihood, or status. And of course their goal is regulation of everything.

    And just who is the oracle of “science” of whom he speaks?

  20. It’s almost as if people will do what people will do.

    My favorite example is the fast food employee who pulled down her mask to wipe her nose on her glove.

    The behavior my Canadian friends observe isn’t that different from what I see in Texas.

    Shockingly, when Abbott ended the Texas mask order, people continued to do whatever half assed prevention made them feel comfortable while the order was in effect.

  21. As a moderate, liberty loving, California resident, I can attest that the recall is NOT undemocratic. I hate recalls. My personal belief is that regular elections are when an elected should be recalled. Only in extreme situations should a recall happen. This is it. Yeah, I’d love a more centrist governor, but at this point I don’t care. Newsom needs to go. He is incompetent on every level. He is ethically bankrupt. He makes Jerry Brown look like Lincoln. Recall – Yes.

    1. It’s not just the handful of Republicans who want Newsom out, it’s pretty much everybody.

      1. I wish that were true but there are bound to be a large number of low information voters that just happen to vote for whatever candidate has their preferred party affiliation.

        I do think there are a lot of people on the left who are pissed off at him for destroying their business or education.

    2. He makes Jerry Brown look like Lincoln.
      Ouch.

  22. dammit I was enjoying Dodger games in Arlington.

    1. The Dodgers have built a death star.

      The Padres are Luke Skywalker.

      Death stars are made to be blown up.

      Go Padres!

      1. I have a pitcher-crush on Trevor Bauer but otherwise ya go Pads.

        I got a bunch of playoffs & the world series in Arlington last year it was much more lovely than the usual Rangers October … I don’t think I’ve been to a playoff game down here since the 2011 Pujols 3-homer game

      2. The Padres have a lot of young Jedis on their side now.
        But a lot to learn they have.

      3. Hell yes go Padres. I’m going to try to make it to at least 3-4 games at Petco as long as our dickhead governor doesn’t shut them down.

  23. Isn’t a recall action, provided for by law, actually the operation of democracy?

    1. Apparently only when Congress does it to a president.

  24. “Democratic leaders have this particular way of saying they’re ‘listening to the science’ and then implementing whatever policies they wanted to implement anyway.”

    The ancient Greeks read the entrails of slaughtered bulls as a means of obtaining divine guidance. Gilgamesh, in the old Babylonian Epic, consorted with visions of the gods to steady his resolve to kill Humbaba, a demonic forest guardian. Dostoyevsky’s Underground Man constructs an elaborate alternate reality, where his enemies plot constantly to embarrass him, to justify his otherwise warrantless, anti-social aggression.

    Scarcely is a person so honest with themselves to admit to the existence of their fundamentally irrational desires. In groups, in armies, in societies, and in politics, the irrationality is necessarily multiplied and takes the form of ideology. If people cannot escape routinely lying to themselves, then politicians will invariably lie to the people. In pursuit of every objective, there will be a lie.

    The Democrats’ conception of “science” is no more valid nor binding than a dream, a delusion, or the guts of a dead animal.

  25. “No, a Potential Recall of California Gov. Gavin Newsom Is Not a Threat to Democracy”

    Recalling a governor doesn’t justify shooting unarmed voters unless they’re trespassing on public property.

  26. Well duh. One Tribe tries to frame the actions of the Other Tribe in the most dishonestly sinister manner possible. Water is wet.

    1. Kind of like what you do here everyday.

    2. “Well duh. One Tribe tries to frame the actions of the Other Tribe in the most dishonestly sinister manner possible. Water is wet.”

      jeff again proves his/her inability to separate his/her fantasy from reality.
      Fuck off and die. Your family will celibate.

  27. But that’s not the dumbest part of the take.
    True. The dumbest part is blaming the 14 Repubs in California. It’s even dumber for being so predictable. That’s all they have – blaming the other. It was happening with Cuomo, too, until a few women accused him of being gropey. I’m told that is far more serious than policy decisions that kill old people, followed by more decisions to cover up the result of the initial decisions.

  28. “Things are not golden in California right now. ”

    But as the helpful California public service announcements on TV keep reminding us, we can “Keep California Golden” by just not using electricity from 4 to 9 PM, when the clean, Green sources are not as available (even though they’re totally better than what we had before, no doubt).

    1. And they are “abundant”! So “abundant” we have to avoid using them!
      Newsom is not unique in his idiocy; he’s standing on moonbeam’s shoulders.

  29. Again Reason misses the point. A recall of Gov. Newsom is a threat to the dictatorship or the left.

  30. You need to understand, for the American left, “democracy” means “rule by Democrats”.

    1. Only because Republicans are so broadly unpopular. That’s on them, if you think about it, for going all-in on being the first major political party in American history that is centered on being demographically uniform while the country gets more diverse.

      1. Yep, they definitely need to be more pro ‘free-shit’ to attract ignorant assholes like you.

      2. Tony didn’t get the memo about all the black and latino voters leaving the plantation.

        -jcr

        1. Oh, so the Republican party has stopped being an explicitly white supremacist outfit?

          Because it seems like they keep doubling down on that because that’s what their voters want.

          1. Yeah, liberal white people are the worst. Something should be done about them.

          2. “Oh, so the Republican party has stopped being an explicitly white supremacist outfit?”
            Hey, shitstain, when did you stop beating your husband?

          3. It never was one, pinhead. The KKK was the terrorist auxiliary of the Democrat party.

            -jcr

            1. Yeah two centuries ago. Jesus Christ man. The parties don’t believe the same things they did 10 years ago.

              1. “Yeah two centuries ago.”

                Robert Byrd, Democratic Senator and former Klan leader, was still in the Senate until he died in 2020.

                1. …died in 2010

              2. Al gore’s father filibustered against the Civil rights acts in the 60s

      3. Switzerland is demographically uniform. As are Norway, Japan, Finland, and other wildly successful countries. Not Yugoslavia though……death by demographics.
        What about your boy Obama? He left Chicago and moved to the whitest place he could find. Is he a Republican now?

      4. “Arguing with anonymous strangers on the Internet is a sucker’s game because they almost always turn out to be—or to be indistinguishable from—self-righteous sixteen-year-olds possessing infinite amounts of free time.”

        Neal Stephenson

  31. “California Gov. Gavin Newsom will be in Los Angeles today to give the annual State of the State address in Dodger Stadium, possibly connecting the setting to the fact that theme parks and stadiums will finally be allowed to reopen here, months behind many other states’ reopenings…”

    Went grocery shopping today, noticed an attractive 30-something woman shopping WITHOUT A MASK! Damn near stopped to give her a standing O!

  32. You can always count on that geriatric commie pinhead to say something stupid.

    Hye, Bernie! Californians are VOTING NEWSOM OUT, you brain-dead twat!

    -jcr

  33. I hate Gavin Newsom he is a lying, horrible human being who has wrecked CA’s economy. Also I hate Greta Thunberg.

  34. He is like the heel in an Adam Sandler movie.

  35. Recalling Newsom is no more anti-democratic than impeaching Trump was. Both were elected to offices subject to the conditions of the office, which include impeachment and, in California, recall.

    1. Difference is Newsom is guilty of shit; Trump was guilty of an unpaid parking ticket.

      1. That may be. But that has to do with the merits of removing them. My point was, it is not “anti-democratic” to remove and elected official according to the rules in place when he was elected.

  36. Bernie is a dolt. I cannot accuse him of being a propagandist because he is actually this stupid.

  37. Yes let’s recall the gavin newsoms, andrew cuomos and the abbots and desantis. Ironically the more moderate governors like hogan and inslee managed this crisis relatively better.

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