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What Disney Can Teach Us About Covid-19: Lockdowns Fail

Two states and two Disneys—California vs. Florida—and their radically different approaches to dealing with the pandemic.

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The happiest place on Earth has been mostly closed for about 10 months and probably won't be re-opening anytime soon.

California isn't allowing theme parks to re-open until the counties they're located in have fewer than one COVID-19 infection per 100,000 residents for seven consecutive days. In Orange County, the current rate exceeds that amount by about 90 fold.

"We're going to be stubborn about it," California Governor Gavin Newsom (D) said in October of 2020.

Newsom's stubbornness is unique. Every other Disney property in the world has re-opened. (In California, some of Disney's retail and dining are open, but the rides and attractions remain closed.)

The city of Anaheim, where the Mouse provides 78,000 jobs and is the center of the local economy, looks like a ghost town.

Disney World in Orlando opened in July of 2020 as Florida's case rate was climbing.

"The reopening amounts to a breathtaking effort by a corporation to prove that it can safely operate…at a highly dangerous time," The New York Times observed at the time.

YouTubers created dark parodies, mocking the idea that the re-opening would cause outbreaks, which never came to pass.

This is the tale of two very different approaches to managing the pandemic and their impact on local economies. There's no evidence that Newsom's lockdowns have substantially stopped the spread of COVID-19.

The media savaged Florida Governor Ron DeSantis (R) when he and a handful of Southern GOP governors pushed to re-open most businesses in early summer 2020. DeSantis's strategy from the get-go had been to shield seniors by issuing executive orders to temporarily ban nursing home visitations and prohibit re-admission of COVID-positive patients. (New York's Democratic Governor Andrew Cuomo, in contrast, forced nursing homes to accept COVID-19 patients).

A couple of months later, with case rates falling, National Review editor Rich Lowry asked, "Where Does Ron DeSantis Go to Get His Apology?"

But when cases surged over the summer, Los Angeles Times columnist Michael Hiltzik delivered on the requested apology: "Sorry, you're even worse than I imagined," he wrote.

By the end of the summer, however, cases were falling in Florida, and rising in areas of the country that were in full or partial lockdown.

California, which had the nation's most stringent policies related to COVID-19, began to experience a massive second wave in November. Florida was also seeing a spike in cases and deaths, though it was less severe.

While the California and Florida approaches to COVID-19 were vastly different, their outcomes began to look remarkably similar.

If some in the media had been too quick to condemn DeSantis, others had also been too quick to declare victory for Newsom. In April, the Atlantic had extolled California's "dramatic success in containing the coronavirus pandemic."

What is clear about the impact of Newsom's policies is that they've taken a devastating toll on working-class California residents.  The Golden State shed eight percent of its jobs (compared to five percent in Florida). It also experienced the fifth-highest drop in GDP among U.S. states and a much higher drop in tax revenue.

California now has more total cases per capita and is approaching Florida's total deaths per capita despite having a younger population.

California residents have been flouting the lockdowns and challenging them in court. A recall petition for Gov. Newsom has gathered more than three-quarters of the required 1.5 million signatures to make the ballot.

"There are probably 50,000 people in a three-square-mile [radius] that are unemployed right now due to the governor's order," says Fred Brown, who has been the general manager of Desert Palms Hotel in the literal shadow of Disneyland for 24 years. So far, he has had to lay off 80 employees, including his own daughter.

"If we don't have guests, I don't know how long some of these hotel owners are going to be able to last without throwing in the towel and going into bankruptcy," says Brown.

Mike Afram shut down his shuttle company in March, laid off 100 employees, and has been unable to re-open since.

"I don't think the state of California has done the best job keeping businesses afloat," says Afram.

Trevor O'Neil, an Anaheim City Council member, says tourism accounts for almost $100 million of annual tax revenue for Anaheim.

"This is a death knell for tens of thousands of jobs. These are working-class jobs and hundreds of small businesses in and around the resort," says O'Neil. "[Newsom] is usurping precious freedoms away from the private sector and increasing our residents' and our workers' reliance on government just to get by."

Disney is known for its expert handling of logistics, and the company drew widespread praise when it brought back the NBA Playoffs here in Florida by creating a so-called "NBA bubble" that successfully prevented any players or staff from contracting the coronavirus over a two-month span.

California is also home to Universal Studios and Six Flags, in addition to smaller amusement parks with no giant corporate backer to float them through a 10-month shutdown.

The contrast between California and Florida reflects growing evidence that lockdowns are not an effective strategy for managing a viral respiratory epidemic, despite early studies suggesting otherwise.

A June 2020 paper in Nature claimed that lockdowns would save 3-4 million lives worldwide, but it assumed that as they stretched on, lockdowns would remain just as effective as in the early days of the pandemic. After it was published, places with stringent lockdowns, including California, the United Kingdom, and Italy, experienced second waves.

A possible reason is that lockdowns become less effective over time because the public grows weary of the social isolation and starts gathering in private households on a more frequent basis.

According to contact tracing data in New York, 74 percent of cases were contracted inside people's homes.

Big city mayors who promoted aggressive lockdowns are beginning to change tack even amidst large caseloads. Chicago's Lori Lightfoot and Washington, D.C.'s, Muriel Bowser have pushed for re-opening restaurants for indoor dining, and San Francisco and L.A.'s mayors have allowed outdoor dining to resume.

A January 5 study by a research team at Stanford compared countries that shut down "non-essential" businesses with ones that took less restrictive public health measures, like only banning large events and discouraging international travel. It found "no evidence that … [more stringent] lockdowns" contributed substantially to bringing down the case rate.

Economist Lyman Stone told Reason in May of 2020 that his study of the lockdowns reveals no correlation between the timing of a state or nationwide stay-at-home order and the spread of the virus

Stone's early findings are consistent with the Stanford study, which found that exposure to information about the virus and its risks was "a stronger driver of anti-contagion behaviors than the specific nature of the [government restrictions]."

Neither California's statewide restrictions nor Florida's more laissez-faire approach have proven effective at suppressing the virus. But various Asian governments and Australia have, for now, mostly accomplished that feat—and not primarily through lockdowns.

For instance, the densely populated city of Hong Kong has experienced fewer than 200 COVID-19 deaths in a population that exceeds 7 million. But the authorities there imposed only one short-lived lockdown in a single neighborhood experiencing an outbreak in mid-January. Stone attributes the overall low case rate to the city-state's aggressive travel restrictions and targeted public health measures such as early mask recommendations and centralized quarantine of the sick.

Newsom lifted his stay-at-home order on January 25 on the grounds ICUs will have the required capacity in several weeks, but the state has withheld some of the data they used to make that projection. Theme parks will remain closed.

In the meantime, Disneyland has opened one of its parking lots as Orange County's largest vaccination site.

So far, California has had one of the slowest vaccine rollouts in the nation.

"Without the rollout of the vaccine… proving not to be the best rollout as compared to the other states, maybe there's a way we can responsibly sooner open up so that we can get back to business and back to surviving," says Afram.

Produced by Zach Weissmueller. Graphics by Isaac Reese. Additional camera by John Osterhoudt. 

Photo credits: Pool/ABACA/Newscom; JIM RUYMEN/UPI/Newscom; Jeff Gritchen/ZUMAPRESS/Newscom Jeff Gritchen/ZUMA Press/Newscom Daniel Ceng Shou-Yi/ZUMAPRESS/Newscom; Kim Klement/TNS/Newscom; Rafael Ben-Ari/Rafael Ben Ari/Newscom; Jose M. Osorio / Chicago Tribune/TNS/Newscom; Anthony Behar/Sipa USA/Newscom; JIM RUYMEN/UPI/Newscom; Image of Sport/Newscom; Watchara Phomicinda/ZUMA Press/Newscom; Greg Lovett/ZUMA.

Music credits: "Happy Gypsy" by Max H.; "Floating Point" by Roei Shpigler; "No Longer Afraid," "Shadows Rise," "Dawn Drift" by Doug Kaufman licensed through Artlist. 

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  2. “The media savaged Florida Governor Ron DeSantis (R) when he and a handful of Southern GOP governors pushed to re-open most businesses in early summer 2020.”

    Those of us who refer to the period in the 1860s as ‘The War Between the States’ rather than the civil war, refer to these states as ‘Free America’.

    1. Those of you who refer to the period in the 1860s as “The War Between the States” rather than the “War of Northern Aggression” don’t know from free.

      Not all states practiced total war on civilians; not all states practiced mass murder on civilians; not all states favored the crony socialist regime of the “American System;” not all states engaged in the “thumbing” of negroes; not all states were rank hypocrites when it came to the treatment of negroes; and not all states were committed to “the only good Indian is a dead Indian.”

      1. Um, sure.

        Just because many people in the North favored the end of slavery did not mean they wanted to see darkies in their town.

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  4. The lockdowns didn’t achieve anything other than satiating, if only for a moment, the authoritarian thirst of America’s most “progressive” assholes, and some “conservative” assholes as well whose only real desire in life is to make sure the progressive assholes don’t tweet something mean and disparaging about them.

    The assholes, however, are still thirsty — so expect a new twist. My money is on a “deadly new variant” or a revelation that the miracle vaccines are not actually working as planned, or that the face of public health has “changed forever,” thereby requiring all of the “emergency” measures to continue into perpetuity.

    This bullshit is never going to end because they now understand that they can turn it on, or off, whenever the fuck they want.

    1. “The lockdowns didn’t achieve anything other than satiating, if only for a moment, the authoritarian thirst of America’s most “progressive” assholes,”

      False. These lockdowns created a pain so acute among the voting public that Democrats were elected to national office, where they will now pass massive bailouts for the states that created this problem in the first place.

      California’s reckoning will be put off for another decade as their pensions, public sector salary raises and other expenditures are bailed out once again.

      1. That sounds like some overt science denial, racist.

        1. Heer Goldstaedt, That’s a “Twofer”! Ya got, “Science” and “Racist” in the same sentence. {Idjit.]

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    2. My money is on a “deadly new variant” or a revelation that the miracle vaccines are not actually working as planned, or that the face of public health has “changed forever,” thereby requiring all of the “emergency” measures to continue into perpetuity.

      Those narratives are already being pushed now by the signal boosters.

      1. How many innocents will be murdered by the Bidenvirus?

    3. but they who have carefully examined the currently availble vaccines already KNOW they don’t work as claimed. They cannot,based n the biological method employed to “manage” the disease. We also know that the mRNA vaccines cannot PREVENT infection,nor can they CURE one, and can only marginally reduce symptoms. And the jury is still not out on long term effects.

  5. “I don’t think the state of California has done the best job keeping businesses afloat,” says Afram.

    Careful, Mike. Such harsh criticism of the Governor may come back to haunt you.

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  11. A possible reason is that lockdowns become less effective over time because the public grows weary of the social isolation and starts gathering in private households on a more frequent basis.

    So, despite the rest of the article highlighting all the ways that the lockdowns are more harmful than beneficial and how places that came out of the lockdowns sooner did as well or better, we’re going to go with “private individuals won’t do as they’re told” rather than admit that there are a vast number of stupidly obvious reasons why the scientists associated with Nature could be wrong.

    Fuck you Weismuller.

    1. “The longer you stare at it the more obvious it becomes that the public healthcare theater is just an act. Obviously, the audience is to blame for not recognizing the playwrites’ greatness.”

      Seriously, my (and pretty much every) local grocery store is a literal nexus of borderline competency and social co-mingling. For the first couple weeks, they were diligently sanitizing carts. Of course, money still changed hands directly and the literal retard bagging groceries of the people 6 ft. in front of me bagged my groceries too, but everybody had masks on so we knew the lockdowns would work permanently.

      Now that we’re a year in and grocery stores are, maybe, sanitizing 1 in 10 carts before the next customer touches them (money and groceries still changing hands directly), it’s clearly the bar (which has been closed for months) across the street’s fault that the numbers are going up. Because the lockdowns that were only meant to slow the spread (and didn’t even do that) were working until the bar opened.

      This scientism bullshit is really pissing me the fuck off. It’s like Kafka wrote a Monty Python sketch.

      1. it’s not even science based it’s fucking based on series of educated guesses/assumptions of human behaviors and models.

        1. The basics are just more extreme versions of what your mother told you during cold and flu season.

          Sanitation – wash your hands when you come in the house

          Masks – Cover your mouth when you sneeze or cough

          Distancing – no you can’t go over to jimmies to play. His mother called and said he was sick so he has to stay home.

          1. Basics =/= extreme.

            Also, your mom may’ve told you it’s a good idea to take things to extremes but I’m pretty sure she had an ulterior motive for telling you to get out of the house or stop breathing altogether.

          2. You destroyed the lives of millions of people, nazisoviet scum

        2. Yes!!!! Seriously!!!! It’s fucked up!!!

          OF COURSE masks help prevent the spread of COVID, because that’s what my common sense brain is assuming, so let’s make it a rule to enforce!

          *cue seeing video of vapor the size of COVID molecules (or bigger) going THROUGH all kinds of surgical/cloth/etc masks*

          Well masks are still better than nothing!!! Right?

          You know what else is equally better than nothing? Sneezing into my fucking elbow.

          Fuck you guys.

          1. There is no mask mandate in Florida and a mask mandate in California. So much for the effectiveness of masks. It’s all political bullshit to make the sheeple think the dictators are doing something about a virus they can’t do anything about.

            1. Look, I can’t guarantee that throwing a virgin into the volcano will make it rain, but it might and we can’t afford to take that chance!

              1. These people have been around, using their, “Sorry, little girl, but to keep you from being thrown into the volcano, I must … ” excuses to have their nefarious way about what they want to do for a very long, long time.

            2. Emphasis on the “virus they can’t do anything about”

              It is a testament to the faith of the sheeple in their Big Uncle Sam to think that ‘if only the government would make x,y,z rules on the populace then the virus could be controlled’

              Viruses gonna virus

        3. it’s based on series of educated guesses/assumptions

          it’s based on series of UNeducated guesses/assumptions

          fixed your oversight, there. No charge.

          1. Yeah, it’s a SWAG or Silly Wild Ass Guess

        1. Right. I handled 200 families’ groceries and cash, back-to-back but it’s OK, because I wore gloves.

          Funny how e. coli, salmonella, and measles routinely get traced back to the local organic grocer, fast food joint, or supermarcado but when it comes to COVID, somehow these grubby infection centers are immune.

          PPE theater indeed.

          1. The gloves thing makes no sense. You can move infectious particles around with gloves just as well (if not better) as skin. And are less likely to notice if you get something on your hands.

            1. Your basic understanding of science could be considered racist, sexist, homophobic, and Earth hating to some. But I read you loud and clear.

            2. None of it makes any sense. I’ve spent years in a BSL-II lab. You don gloves when you enter, you remove them when you leave. If you think you’ve contaminated the gloves you remove them and put on a fresh pair. Depending on the lab and the specimens, you change gloves even if you don’t think you’ve contaminated them.

              The same goes for N95 (and lower-level) masks. For the few hours when you’ve got your hands covered in iodine and a patient’s blood to remind you not to touch your face and the attending nurse can wipe your brow for you, they make sense. Reusing the same mask just once, putting it in your pocket, using your hands to determine whether it’s inside out or not, copiously slathering the infectious agent on the outside before you put it on your face… it makes no sense.

            3. and THEN those gloves get used to brush or touch your face, fub your eyes, push the cart, pick all the items off the shelf,get your cash or card out of your money-poke, pick up that can of beans you dropped, then goout and open the cr door and plop all those bags of groceries into the boot and reclose it. Handle the gate through which you pass the cart into the corral for them, on and don’t forget al the apples and zuchini and cabbages you picked up with those gloves on. Meanwhiles you have smoothed your hair back half a dozen times, rubbed your nose, picked up yor child when he tripped and fell down, had to take him into the washroom to wask off his face…. AND you have readjusted your improperhy fitting cheap blue paper mask (that you dragged out of your glove box in the car when yuo got there), and then slapped accross you mug WITHOUT sanitising yuor face and hands (but I have gloveson, remember, so I am “safe”)at least a dozen times, using those same gloved hands to do all manner of things except wiping your bum when you’ve had done with your business in the loo……

              with all these unbelieveble travesties happening several hundred million times a day accross the nation, its a wonder we’re all not dead from”da VYE russ” yet. And “they” wonder how a “thinking man” could ever possibly doubt da gummit’s fatwas, er, squeeze me, recommendations and not fully trust THEM.

      2. We do most of our groceries by delivery or pickup these days. Still go to the store sometimes because there is no substitute for that.

        The Disney parks and hotels are going to hurt anyway because a lot depended on tourism which is dead for now. Even without mandates people are just avoiding that kind of travel. The company itself is so diversified now that it will do ok. Stock is doing fine.

        The loss of jobs is the real tragedy in all of this.

        On the vaccine front Israel which has been the most successful with about 50% of the population with at least one dose and is opening it up to anyone over 16. It is a big experiment. Early results are promising with prevention in the first batch vaccinated close to the clinical trials. There are still a lot of new cases in the population which they are attributing to the more virulent British variant.

        They are already at the point where they need to target the vaccine reluctant populations.

        1. Disneyworld in FL is doing just fine.

        2. … British variant.
          Racist.

        3. Good luck with that. The ultra orthodox have problems getting the measles vaccine, which has a far longer track record.

        4. but any so-called variant, real, imagined, or hocus pocus, would certainly have at least SOME of the protein spikes contained in the variant on offer, thus assuring the body of the injectee will respond by killing any strain….

  12. “This is a death knell for tens of thousands of jobs. These are working-class jobs and hundreds of small businesses in and around the resort,” says O’Neil. “[Newsom] is usurping precious freedoms away from the private sector and increasing our residents’ and our workers’ reliance on government just to get by.”

    In other words, with Progressives in charge, who needs jobs?

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  14. Can you people stop being so fucking nice about the eradication of people’s livelihoods? these fucking criminals knowingly ruined people’s lives and you people just shrug and say guess they got this wrong. In fact you tacitly try to excuse the failed lockdown strategy and blame the populace for not isolating like they should. Fuck you people.

    1. Yeah, I could see giving some benefit of the doubt when it was “two weeks to flatten the curve”. Even then, I could see what a stupid and destructive thing it was right away. And everyone knew it was so up until about a year ago. At this point there is no excuse for seeing this as anything but a destructive authoritarian imposition. And supposed libertarians should have been arguing for individual freedom and autonomy all along.

      1. Just about a year ago, I started saying: “We, the People have ‘Flattened the Curve’. Now, it’s time to ‘Flatten the Politicians’!”.

  15. There’s a difference between “science” and “scared shitless.” Some people don’t now the difference.

    1. There are a lot of differences. Some people like to expend a fair amount of conscious effort to ignore them.

    2. It turns out, actually, A LOT of people don’t know the difference.

  16. This is so clearly political and not science based at this point and the fact you can’t or won’t acknowledge that the politicians fucking destroyed industries just because tells your readership everything you need to know about you fucking cowards. Cuomo is opening indoor dining for the NYC on Valentines Day, not the day before not right now, but fucking Valentines day. Fuck that Guido Wop piece of shit mobster. Where are your pieces calling for the jailing of these motherfucking murders and criminals?

  17. >B-bu-but china’s low death rate!
    Nothing about how the virus was “handled” in China should be taken without a grain of salt. China has a vested internal and external interest in burying evidence of the disease’s effects, whereas the US has nothing but reasons to overreport and enhance it. It’s a statistical mirage. It has to be because either asian people are magic and can implement lockdowns on a populace so used to casual corruption and rule avoidance that tipping the cops is standard practice while generally civically obedient americans cannot or something isn’t adding up.

    1. Plus, they can kill off 100 million of their own citizens and it will barely make a dent in their population figures.

    2. IOWs, does not pass the sniff test.

    3. Statistical mirage.

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  18. That Florida is more like the Trump, Republican, and libertarian approaches and California is more like Biden’s and Democrats’ approach isn’t a coincidence. The policy differences were a reflection of the ideological differences in the Republican party vs. the Democratic party, with progressive policies being awful again.

    1. In terms of actually controlling Covid, California and Florida are about the same and both compare very poorly to Hong Kong. Lesson is not that DeSantis succeeded so much as that Newsom failed; the former didn’t manage to stop the virus but at least he didn’t trash the economy while doing so. But too many libertarians seem fixated on arguing against any intervention or active policy, despite examples like HK that show the possibility of a genuinely effective public health response that avoids wrecking the economy while actually suppressing the virus through early and decisive intervention.

  19. Newsom’s coming out with a book soon, recounting his ‘success’ over the last year:
    “How to Kneecap the World’s 5th Largest Economy”

    1. Is there a chapter about how to lose $11B-$31B in unemployment COVID-19 related unemployment benefits. I guess it’s real hard to keep track of all those people that are unemployed because of draconian government safety measures.

  20. DeSantis 2024 or 2028.

    I will vote for him in any office he seeks. And if Charles Koch throws a temper tantrum over him like he did Trump, Reason would be wise to throw his money in his face and ask Trump for some funding.

    1. It’s too late.
      #FLexit

  21. CA Pop. 39.51M
    FL Pop. 21.48M
    CA Covid-19 Cases: 3.37M (8.53% of pop.)
    FL Covid-19 Cases: 1.74M (8.10% of pop.)
    CA Covid-19 Deaths: 42,434 (0.11% of pop.)
    FL Covid-19 Deaths: 27,018 (0.12% of pop.)
    Unless the numbers lie, California’s lock it down and mask them up approach to this has been ineffective.

  22. California, which had the nation’s most stringent policies related to COVID-19, began to experience a massive second wave in November. Florida was also seeing a spike in cases and deaths, though it was less severe.

    Youyang Gou has a spiffy map which lets you see estimated prevalence per state on a biweekly basis. In short, California’s not experiencing a second wave; they never had a proper first wave.

    Threin lies the rub: if you lockdown early you need to stay that way and do it hard (like Australia) or it’s all just window dressing. Florida actually hewed to the original, pre-panic CW and has ended up with far more manageable spikes partially on account of it.

    Also, I suspect that the border states are always going to have more severe second surges because of LatAm transients, especially since COVID just seems to be something everyone in Mexico always has.

    https://covid19-projections.com/

    1. The “second wave” appears to be BS in a lot of places. Most states seeing significan epidemics this fall/winter never had a real epidemic in the spring.

      1. You can see this very starkly in NY.

        By region, if you had lots of problems last spring you had a mild event this winter. If you dodged the bullet last spring, you got hit this winter.

        https://forward.ny.gov/daily-hospitalization-summary-region

      2. ^YEP^

        That’s exactly how it went down in the upper Midwest. We got hit in early November after having almost zero incidence in the spring. There were never any spikes from Sturgis, or from Thanksgiving, or from anything else we were warned about.

        As the kids say, “Viruses gonna virus!”

  23. A majority of counties in the US that have a covid rate above 16% had covid outbreaks in a state prison (located in the county).

    Since prison inmates are legally locked down, government lockdowns have clearly caused covid to spread more rapidly
    (than in counties where lockdowns did NOT occur).

    1. Also note that the county in California with the highest covid rate is Lassen (17.6%), which is where three different prisons are located.

      This is not a coincidence.

  24. Let’s cut the bullshit and get to the facts;

    The nations with the most rigorous lockdowns, South Korea, Singapore, China, Vietnam, New Zealand, all have re-opened after the lockdown worked and the virus was crushed, allowing a safe and early re-opening back in May and June, and minimal economic damage.
    The nations which had sloppy lockdowns and opened prematurely lead the world in the pandemic harm in terms of both deaths and economic damage.

    In the quarter the US had a a 32% decline in GDP, China had already recovered and had a 3.2 increase in GDP. All these nations with rigorous lockdowns which lasted until the virus was crushed had 99% fewer deaths and were back in positive economic waters 8 months ago.

    Enough bullshit. Look at who succeeded in crushing the virus and protecting the economy and jobs: it was those who early and strictly locked down until it was safe to re-open.

    1. I don’t know about your intelligence but the grandstanding statements you just made are the dumbest most naive pearl clutching response I have read yet today.

      See above comments, people say it better than me. New Zealand is a fucking tiny island dipshit.
      China Communist Party TIGHTLY controls the covid narrative, whereas the US greatly had every motive to over report (along with being the number one country for using faulty high PCR sensitivity rate tests)

      THINK CRITICALLY DOGGY JUST TRY IT OUT IT’S FUN RUFF

    2. South Korea it turns out during their “strict lockdowns” had bars open the entire time too

      BUT NOT EVERYONE IS DEAD???

      I’m sure there’s more information I can throw on the pile if you need it because you’re stubborn.

  25. Don’t be surprised if another large corp like Disney pulls up stakes and heads for Tx, Fl or Ga and tells Ca to get out of my way…like to many major corps and hundreds of smaller biz and entrepreneurs Ca is biz Un Friendly and the state is losing ground in every way possible as the debt increases and the general maintenance of the state falls in disrepair…..Leadership by a blue balls DIMM and a useless D dominated legislature are among the culprits for this path to our Venezuela destiny…..And the ignorance of being a sanctuary state for unvetted border jumpers and costly criminals is a statement for the use of Stupid…..The petition(s) for tossing Grabben Nusance and his band of thieves from the halls of government are worth the time, sign them all……

    1. It’s just a plan we have to get the losers born in the lower 49 the fuck out of here voluntarily vs shooting them which their relatives (ostensibly) will take issue with

  26. Dr. Fauci and the government is always right. They predicted a massive surge after the holidays and we didn’t listen. Now look where we are. Infections are declining along with hospitalizations and it seems it made it better rather then worse. I haven’t seen any explanation for it but they just keep on telling us how to live. Maybe if we would have treated Covid as we have every other pandemic it would have already peeked and now be over and part of our past. I have never seen anything the government gets involved in get better and usually gets worse. This is no exception.

  27. Question;
    Which is better — Getting immune to COVID as a child or putting it off in hopes you won’t get it at 80-yrs old? I suppose that a decision each and every Individual person should have the Liberty to DECIDE for themselves.

    What is the point in running around pointing Gov-Guns at everyone. Just to get a Gov-God Power-Trip injection for their Power-Mad disease? The left is just a bunch of junkies…. 🙂

  28. Ron Desantis for President in 2024!

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