Regulation

Seattle Forces Beloved Takeout-Only Cider Bar To Close

One complainer managed to shut down a popular local business.

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This week Yonder Bar, a beloved, months-old, licensed, takeout-only neighborhood cider bar that operated out of the residential garage of one of its owners, was forced to close. Maybe for good.

Visitor's to Yonder Bar's Yelp page are now greeted with the dreaded words that, so often these days, sit atop the site's listings for the more than 100,000 similarly beloved bars and restaurants around the country: "Yelpers report this location has closed."

But Yonder Bar's closure, unlike many thousands of other bars and restaurants, has nothing to do with COVID-19, the recession, or the economic impact of quarantine policies.

Instead, the closure has everything to do with the persistent complaints to Seattle regulators by one anonymous person and those regulators' choice to bow to that person's complaints.

I visited Yonder Bar, in Seattle's Greenwood neighborhood, last week. What I saw there, as I stood behind a dozen or so other masked, socially distanced customers also waiting patiently in line, was a small, converted garage space that had clearly energized and brought together the local community.

"This makes our community better," local resident and Yonder Bar supporter Ben Kotovic told KIRO last week. "It's a place for us to greet and have a chance to meet our community. The idea of shutting it down doesn't make any sense."

Indeed, many residents seemed to stop at the bar during their early evening walks, soaking up what would be the last sun for several days, before rain and then snow would hit the area. Several customers pulled dogs. Others pushed children in strollers. I saw happy kids biking along the street, runners passing by, and neighbors talking to each other from their porches.

After making my way to the front of the line, I bought a couple of four-packs of Yonder's dry cider, which—and I write this both as a middling, low-tech, at-home cider brewer and regular drinker of bone-dry craft ciders—is among the best I've tried.

On Monday—Yonder Bar's last day in business—I spoke with Yonder's co-founder, Caitlin Bramm. I asked her first about her anonymous persecutor.

"We didn't have a lot of people complain," Bramm says. "We had one person complain. A lot."

Yonder Bar, which was Yonder Cider's only retail location, opened in August, which is also when the company launched its line of ciders. Business was brisk. Then the string of complaints began. What had become an issue by September, Bramm says, reached crisis level by December.

After the anonymous person's complaints, the city was now claiming Yonder Bar was "operating illegally in a residential zone," close to a church and a private school. But both the school and church, notably, have been supportive of Yonder Bar.

The city also alleges Yonder Bar, which purchased all the necessary business and liquor licenses, nevertheless violates the city's single family zoning ordinance. It claims the bar doesn't have adequate off-street parking, that Yonder Bar uses signage to indicate to consumers that it's a bar—rather than just, say, an unmarked garage—and that the bar must operate by appointment only.

Suggestions that Yonder Bar's presence increased auto traffic in the neighborhood—or gobbles up parking spaces available to local residents—don't hold much water. That's because Seattle has designated the street where the garage bar is located a "Stay Healthy" street. That city program, implemented in order to facilitate and encourage safe outdoor activities during the pandemic, sets aside and blocks off some city streets for foot traffic and other recreational and fitness purposes such as biking—and prohibits vehicular through traffic.

Furthermore, the idea that a bar selling to-go ciders could, should, or must sell only to consumers who've made a prior appointment violates common sense and basic business principles. And suggestions that the bar should operate without adequate signage that indicate it's a business make no sense—the city says Yonder can't have any signage at all save for, effectively, one 8 x 8 unlit sign—violates both those same basic business principles and also, likely, the First Amendment.

"You can operate a business from your residence if it doesn't look like a business," says Seattle spokesperson Wendy Shark.

While Yonder Bar is closed, Yonder Cider is still available to buy online and in retail stores. And efforts continue to ensure Yonder Bar's hiatus will be temporary. Yonder has launched an online petition, asking supporters to tell the city to allow it to reopen. (Full disclosure: I signed.) And a freedom of information act request, which at least one party has filed with the city, could shed light on just who filed the complaints against Yonder Bar and—maybe—why they did so. 

Hopefully, the city will come to its senses. And soon.

"It's going to be funny when this lone complainer winds up getting a citywide zoning change that will legalize stuff like Yonder on every lot," the Seattle-based Twitter account Pushing the Needle tweeted hopefully this week.

That would be funny. And awesome. And the most just of results.

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  1. Several customers pulled dogs. Others pushed children in strollers. I saw happy kids biking along the street, runners passing by, and neighbors talking to each other from their porches.

    Sounds like Free America – FL, GA and the like.

    Also:
    “We didn’t have a lot of people complain,” Bramm says. “We had one person complain. A lot.”

    Dox the bitch. (of whatever ‘gender’)

    1. “Dox” her? Find the bitch and beat the shit out of her.

      Sometimes the old ways are best.

      1. “Sometimes the old ways are best.”

        Get yer own damn tag line……., I claimed that one the first time I heard it!

        But in any event, it’s true!

    2. It was almost certainly a bitchy neighbor.

      1. The neighbor is probably just today’s version of a Carrie Nation type sociopath.

    3. We moved to Seattle a year ago for business. What a shithole! Whatever the gender, be it Karen’s, the local soyboy denizens, or the smothering far-left control freaks, this outpost of insanely ignorant political tyrants never fails to amaze. 220 cops have quit, more than 250 restaurants have permanently closed, numerous core businesses have told these skin sacks in the city council, to shove their great reset and left. I have absolutely no compassion for this broken down, homeless infested city, and the people that have voted to create this reality.

      The entrepreneurial spirit is alive and these folks have evidently created a great product that people, and the local community supports.

      Find and shame the little Manistee nanny.

      1. Spell check – Maoist

    4. To me, “bitch” is not gender confined. Anyone can be a “bitch.”

      Mighty fucking woke of me, if I say so myself.

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  2. Why didn’t the single, anonymous complainer reach out directly to Yonder Bar’s owner to see if things could be worked out? This person complained…a lot. But the anonymous complainer never directly approached the owner to talk about it? And then a Seattle regulator prohibited Yonder Bar, with no evidence the parties (anonymous complainer, Yonder Bar) ever even tried to work out their differences? To me, it is a red flag.

    That is a regulator who has made a mistake; s/he should have tried to have the parties work it out before making a regulation targeted at a single business.

    1. Going directly to the authoritahs is the modern way.

      1. It is the world we live in now – massive complaints by six people will make anyone afraid of what people might say do anything…

    2. Because the complaints weren’t about any real issue. The complainer is a miserable person filled with self-pity, anger and resentment they will take out on any convenient target. Miserable people want to inflict misery on others. There’s a lot of that going on nowadays.

      1. It’s the socialist Progressive way. Tear everyone down to some dismal equality instead of allowing any progress which would raise everybody’s condition, albeit at different rates.

        It’s another sign of not understanding markets, such as screaming about “market failures” as an excuse for government to squash everybody down to that dismal equality. “Market failures” are opportunities for people to innovate and in fact create markets; if everything were as equally dismal as socialists want, there could be no progress, no innovation. Inequality is a sign that markets are working.

        1. How do you know the anonymous rat was a progressive? You are projecting.

          1. WK needs to see their progressive ID card.

            1. Yeah, kinda. The anonymous complainer is anonymous so a whole rant about how it’s all about progressivism has no foundation in fact.

              It could be about the anonymous rat being a miserable person, or having a personal grudge, or being a competitor, or who knows.

              1. It’s possible that they aren’t politically progressive, but the evidence that we do have* seems to suggest otherwise. In the realm of assumptions, I would rate this as ‘more likely than not’.

                *Example: One of the points of complaint was that the cider business was for profit. This is an unlikely angle of attack from someone on the conservative or libertarian ends of the political spectrum.

                1. Meh, pretty weak evidence.

                  1. Now tell us all about how Trump is a Russian intelligence asset.

                    1. Wow, that was a whopper of a non sequitir.

                  2. Tell us how the Capitol Police officer was murdered by blunt force trauma to the head by a fire extinguisher when the coroner found no such evidence.

                    1. Actually, all the coroner said is that there was no external evidence of trauma. There could well have been brain damage without external bruising, etc.

                      People who are looking hard to dismiss the death of a police officer at the hands of a MAGA mob latched onto the coroner’s statement and made more of it than it says.

                    2. “Actually, all the coroner said is that there was no external evidence of trauma. There could well have been brain damage without external bruising, etc.”

                      Actually, the lame attempt by a TDS-addled lefty shit to drag out the fake news would cause anyone of average intelligence much embarrassment.
                      Given your lack of anything approaching ‘intelligence’, it is no surprise you continue making an ass of your self regarding an obvious lie.
                      Fuck off and die; make your dog happy.

                    3. So you are going to die on the hill of the initial fake news reports? Amazing.

                    4. “… Amazing.”

                      Nope.
                      Not long back, Ken identified the issue which I’d missed.
                      Tony, turd, Jeff, WK and others are assumed to be dishonest in their posts because the claims vary so greatly from reality, and when corrected, they continue to lie.
                      Ken suggests, and I now agree that it most closely conforms to what an intelligent person observes, that this is not ‘dishonesty’; this is simply mental capacities such as to be unable to differentiate between the fantasies they imagine and an objective reality. For example, witness WK’s claims that the Capitol protest was going to prevent the peaceful transfer of power!!!!!!!!
                      200 people armed with broomsticks were to do that? This is not evidence of dishonesty.
                      These people are certainly dishonest, but more importantly, the dishonesty is not from intent, but from abysmal stupidity.
                      They simply do not conceive a reality as opposed to their fantasies.

                    5. Dude, you are fucked. Yeah, it’s possible he died because of injuries from the rioting. You don’t know that for sure any more than anyone knows for sure that his death had nothing to do with it and was an unfortunate coincidence.

                    6. and we will never know the truth b/c it doesn’t fit the narrative of the socialist democrat party.

            2. Somebody regurgatating progressive platitudes might not actually be progressive.
              They might just be highly intelligent with a strong moral center.

              1. Irrelevant authority fallacy.

          2. It’s Seattle. Statistically speaking, chances are good.

            1. True, but not everyone. Hell, I have in-laws in Seattle that are quite conservative. And another relative who was a progressive, but is getting more and more conservative every day her daughter’s school is closed.

              And there is a big chance the people running the cider stand are progressives, too; so that this is a case of progressive-on-progressive violence..

              1. “there is a big chance the people running the cider stand are progressives, too”

                Probably less of a chance after this…

          3. Obviously you’ve never been to Seattle, or heard the story of lost land of Chaz.

            1. Dude, I’ve spent a ton of time in Seattle. Directly above your comment I said I have relatives there.

        2. Or possibly it’s just somebody who bought a house in a residential neighborhood rather than a loft in the middle of the industrial district because they wanted to, you know, live in a residential neighborhood without industrial district traffic and noise.

          If you want to do away with zoning laws, feel free to make that argument honestly. Or better yet, jump on the Reason bandwagon of having federal zoning laws that supersede local control. Libertarians for central government mandating that people can’t collectively make rules about their property!

          1. I want to do away with zoning laws.

            If you want to know more about why, I recommend two books from James Howard Kunstler, Geography of Nowhere and Home from Nowhere.

            https://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0684837374/reasonmagazinea-20/

            “Collectively mak(ing) rules about their property” means people who don’t own that property making decisions about said property. For an example, the lady who owns Yonder Cider bought a house with a garage that now opens onto a road where motor vehicle traffic is prohibited.

            1. That is weird. The URL isn’t the link text that I posted earlier, but at least it goes to the same book. I guess Reason is getting a little kickback from Amazon clicks. Doesn’t bother me – good for them – but it’s the first time I have noticed. Also – apparently there ARE moderators.

        1. No no. It is a FACT that the bar closed because of progressives. Just look – Seattle is full of progressives. Case closed! And if you disagree, you are defending progressives and their evil woke cancel culture agenda!

          1. LOL, have you seen all the vitriol that was unleashed at an obviously fake “chemjeff” handle this morning. You are reviled by all the right people.

          2. Also, on the Lance Armstrong story JesseAz is quoting things you said and arguing that I said them.

          3. “bar closed because of progressives”

            We’ll isn’t that TRUE! Seattle city council has 8-Democrats and 1- “Socialist Alternative” (Holy hell! I didn’t even know a proud Marxist party was getting spots already..)

      2. So was it the Rev or Tony?

    3. Because government has long since reached the size where it intrudes into our lives so much that people can get ahead easier by siccing government on others instead of, literally, minding their own business.

    4. I can’t tell from the story if the official actually “made a new regulation”, per se, or if they simply actually enforced existing ones. I.e.: Zoning.

      Zoning is a bitch, and I’m sorta vaguely confused about why the city would have issued the permits and licenses if the location was in violation of the zoning regs (other than, “permit fees are non-refundable”) but I wouldn’t be even slightly shocked to discover that the existing zoning regs prohibit selling alcohol from a residential area. I would actually be more shocked if they *didn’t*. Zoning regs are usually absurdly restrictive.

    5. Let us consult “The Book of Karen” for the answer. I do believe that “talking things out” or “compromising” is blasphemous and “UnKaren”.
      Yes, here it is. “When thou sees something, thou acts without consideration of others”. “Their likes, dislikes, rights, and wishes are not of concern”.

      1. LOL, pretty funny comment. The “Book of Karen” wisecrack is one I will remember.

    6. Because they are a coward.

  3. What a lot of Trump cultists don’t get is that a most of government regulation is necessary and libertarian in nature.
    Covid regulations are a great example. Does millions of extra people dying of disease seem libertarian to you? No? Well then, maybe now you understand.
    If we have highly qualified individuals, top men so to speak, make the choices that, quite frankly, most people do not have the information resources to make; then we’ll all be better off.

    If this cider bar had only obeyed the proper decisions made for all of us, the pandemic would of ended sooner. Obedience and cooperation is true libertarianism.

    1. If just one person is uncomfortable we have to shut it down!

      1. The fact that the shutdown “makes uncomfortable” *many* never seems to factor in.

      2. I’m uncomfortable with equestrians riding horses and complaining that Mc Donalds was serving horse meat in the burgers. And the catch and release fishermen . they don’t eat what they catch. both groups only want to torture the poor animals for their own pleasure. perhaps we could ban these as well.

    2. You’re living in a reality of your own.

      1. Dude, you’re replying to Tulpa using a fake handle.

        1. Dude, you are a fake handle.

    3. Government regulation is counter-productive and only necessary if your goal is expanding government. To call it libertarian is about as newspeak as can be.

      Fuck off, slaver.

      1. Hey Trumpista, libertarianism isn’t just about “muh freedoms”. It’s Big Tent enough to include socially responsible ideas like elite theory, autocracy and limited political pluralism.

        1. Hey, TDS-addled lefty shit, fuck off and die!

          1. Sevo and Alphabet, look at the names again, and don’t feel bad because Poe’s Law is the most powerful force in the universe these days.

            1. Ya know, I was curious why they were both making such obvious asses of themselves first thing in then morning.
              WK in particular, usually has to be taunted a while before going full-tard with his ‘woman’s murder is justified’ piles of shit.
              Jeff, OTOH, doesn’t need much.

              1. The more you keep talking the more you show you are an angry moron.

                1. The more you keep posting, the more of an ass you make of yourself.
                  Put that comment and any random post by you in a hat, pick one and it’d be hard to tell which was a spoof.
                  You simply do not realize the depths of your stupidity; most everyone else does.

                  1. Keep digging that hole. LOL, you are such an anger-filled person.

                    1. The more you keep posting, the more of an ass you make of yourself.

          2. LOL. I show up and find you telling fake me to fuck off and die.

            See someone about your anger issues, dude.

            1. Real one? Fuck off and die.
              Like that better?

              1. All the White Knights are fake.

        2. LOL, fake White Knight commenting on fake chemjeff.

          This is beyond me and chemjeff living rent free in your heads. This is chemjeff / White Knight fan fiction.

          1. It’s because the mean girls are obsessed with us. Particularly me because I won’t give them the attention they crave and just start flagging their posts.

            Now I don’t have to put up with their shit and spend the weekend just chilling and listening to my favorite song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3DwlC6rers

            1. It would be funnier, Tulpa, if an addition to spoofing us supposed “lefty shits”, you spoofed the CACLLs, too. Like equal opportunity.

              1. “the CACLLs”

                I invented that acronym you know, and no, it isn’t a forced meme. Unlike in Canada where forcing your own memes is illegal (because somehow French Académie Française has influence there), here in the US I can force as many as I like.
                And it’s all thanks to freedom of speech… except for conservatives because fuck them.

                1. 8/10

                  1) My Académie Française schtick is a bit of a stretch, but there’s probably some similar French language quasi-governmental board in Quebec.

                  2) I don’t dislike conservatives, except for hardcore Trump worshippers who act like assholes.

                  1. Québécois is viewed as unintelligible backwards patois by the Académie Française, and damn near heresy. Standard Parisian French and Québécois diverged nearly five hundred years ago.
                    If you knew about Quebec, it’s self conception and it’s place in la Francophonie, the idea of a Canadien Académie Française would be hilarious.

                    1. That’s part of the reason I used them when commenting on Mother’s Lament’s comments.

      2. Dude, it’s Tulpa.

        1. It’s a very good imitation of your steaming piles of shit.

          1. It really wasn’t. It was a bunch of stuff chemjeff would not actually say.

            1. You live in a fantasy world where killing unarmed people is fine so long as TRUMP!!!!, so your appraisal of Jeff’s possible comments are, like most everything you post, NWS.

            2. That was totally stuff chemleft would say.

              1. Was not.
                Was.
                Was not.
                Was.
                Was not. Jinx! I win.

              2. I can’t even keep track of who is who anymore, but “Obedience and cooperation is true libertarianism.” *definitely* sounded like sarcasm. Or at least I really hoped it was.

                1. Sarcasm. But not very biting or accurate sarcasm, since it isn’t something chemjeff would say.

                  1. Even sarcastically?

                  2. “…since it isn’t something chemjeff would say…”

                    You live in a fantasy world where killing unarmed people is fine so long as TRUMP!!!!, so your appraisal of Jeff’s possible comments are, like most everything you post, NWS.

          2. The correct response from someone without your anger and angst, by the way, would be something like: “Ha ha. Tulpa got me. Guess I need more coffee this morning.”

            1. No, the correct response is “I know WK is a TDS-addled asshole; sounds about right”.

      3. I’m pretty sarcasm-impaired but even I recognized the comment. You might want to get your sarcasm detector recalibrated.

    4. Hey radical idiot. Read this. Researcher thinks it likely that what made the 1918 flu so deadly was that trench warfare isolated the reasonably healthy, those with mild flu, and only the more lethal mutations got a chance to spread in hospitals and in transit among trenches and hospitals. Evolutionally, the successful strains were the ones deadly enough to get their hosts out of the trenches and into circulation.

      Sounds like lockdowns today, doesn’t it? The mild strains of the coronavirus aren’t nasty enough to get their isolated hosts out of the houses and into circulation, so they die out. The deadlier strains do get out into public and thus survive.

      1. LOL. You’re replying to a fake post by Tulpa.

      2. Everyone knows it started in a bio lab researching germ warfare in Kansas during WW1 which is why it spread so quickly among soldiers as they were moved from one barracks to another and transported overseas.

        They managed or accidentally combined an avian virus with a human strain which is why it was so deadly.

        They changed the name to Spanish flu to deflect away from its real origin. Code name “pidgin poop”

        1. It was named Spanish flu because Spain was neutral in the Great War. And their press was not subject to omitting reporting bad news.
          I think it is accepted that it began in Kansas. Not sure there is consensus on it being a lab creation.

          1. It was sarc.

        2. Actually it came with Chinese immigrants brought in by Canada in Vancouver, rail carried to nova Scotia, and then shipped to Europe to be the back staff, servants, and cooks for Canada’s soldiers. Nearly 40% of which died of a, at the time, mysterious respiratory illness in the train cars across Canada.

          But of course you would go with the full retard conspiracy. I bet you won’t delve into the ft. deitrich conspiracy with covid though because it implicates Obama and fauci lol

      3. We share this planet with billions of varieties of virus, and trillions and trillions of individual virus, along with bacteria, not to mention millions of species of flora and fauna.

        In other words, we compete with their survival strategies, many of which are in opposition to ours.

        This means sometimes we lose a few…such is the way of life.

    5. What full-of-shit, TDS-addled assholes say:

      “What a lot of Trump cultists don’t get is that a most of government regulation is necessary and libertarian in nature.”

      1. LOL, you are on such a hair trigger to go off on an angry rant, you didn’t even realize it was an obvious spoof of chemjeff.

        Get help.

        1. As good an imitation of him as the spoof was of you, TDS-addled shit.
          Fuck off and die.

          1. Let the anger flow. Soon you will be a Trith Lord!

            1. Let the stupid flow.

        2. Operation pidgin poop should have been a clue.

          1. That sounds like SQRLSY.

    6. “‘most of government regulation is necessary and libertarian in nature.” And the sun is square.

      1. “chemjeff” here is a parody, just so you know.

    7. LOL too funny.
      If you think that is what I actually believe, then you have not been paying attention.

      1. I don’t think the CACLLs care what you really believe.

    8. Soyboy you’re a perfect example of what has taken a once beautiful city prosperous city and turned it into a business crushing, drug addled, homeless infected shithole.

    9. Fuck, you almost got me to respond to that one.

  4. the city was now claiming Yonder Bar was “operating illegally …” close to a church and a private school. But both the school and church, notably, have been supportive of Yonder Bar.

    Perhaps the city will claim both the school and church have been “supportive illegally” and try to shut *them* down.

    1. And if it was Indiana, seize their shit for illegally gathering!

      1. Headline: Indiana Seizes Cider Operation; How Bout Them Apples

        1. Well played!

  5. And a freedom of information act request, which at least one party has filed with the city, could shed light on just who filed the complaints against Yonder Bar and—maybe—why they did so.

    The who isn’t as important to me as the why, unless it sheds light on the why.

    1. The who could be important too, in that the best defense is a good offense.

      Also The Who could be important:
      https://soundcloud.com/thewho/wont-get-fooled-again-original

    2. I posted some of the original complaints below. The why seems to be:

      1. It’s in a residential neighborhood
      2. They are selling alcohol
      3. It’s for-profit

      The complainer(s?) appear to not be your garden-variety busybody NIMBY type, but the more invasive NIYBYE* subspecies.

      *Not In Your Back Yard Either

      1. I live on a few acres of my own land surrounded by several hundred acres of nothing. The closest other house visible to me is miles away. I enjoy immensely the freedom that gives me.

        HOWEVER, every time I visit friends in places like Hoboken, NJ, I think that part of the appeal of neighborhoods is this kind of thing, of places like this where people can associate. Why live there if not to enjoy options like this.

        1. Exactly. The corner bars in Chicago made it a very fun place to live. You were safe there, you met neighbors, it builds community. Everyone will be like the soulless Karen that was complaining.

        2. I just watched a video about people building bars in their garages so they have a place to go. They don’t sell anything so it’s legal.

  6. “The city also alleges Yonder Bar, which purchased all the necessary business and liquor licenses, nevertheless violates the city’s single family zoning ordinance.”

    Sniff – – – sniff – – – I smell bullshit.
    Will we ever see an article about the clerk who issued the permits being fired for failing to know the zoning?

  7. Yonder Bar was an insurrection against the democracy of zoning laws. Proprietor (a closet Trump supporter if we ever saw one) needs a stay in Guantanamo to reflect on “their” evils. [Oh wait, Obama closed Gitmo down.]

    1. not yet but he is still trying via his (and Chinas) puppet joe.

  8. When you said they were allowed an ‘8 x 8 sign’ I thought that would be feet, so people could see it. Turns out it’s inches.

    1. Spinal Tap ran into the same issue.

  9. I found (at least some of) the complaints:

    https://data.seattle.gov/Community/Code-Complaints-and-Violations-Map/rsmq-5vwm

    08-19-2020: I am writing to complain about a home (7800 1st Ave NW, Seattle, WA 98117) in my neighborhood that is selling alcohol from their garage. The home is located in a residential neighborhood located two doors away from a private elementary school and one block away from a public elementary school. The garage of this house has recently been converted into a bar, called Yonder (https://www.yondercider.com/find-us), where the home owners are now selling alcoholic bevera

    08-22-2020: homeowner is operating a hard cider shop out of their garage (SF5000 zone). business signage installed – but does not appear to have appropriate City/state approvals. creating a significant amount of pedestrian traffic on weekends.

    09-01-2020: I am writing trying to find out what the process is that now apparently allows folks to conduct (certain) businesses from their detached garages in Seattle. I am unaware of any kind of Notice or news that this was being allowed. Neighbors in my neighborhood spruced up their detached single car cement garage on Phinney and are selling their canned cider under a 2nd license.Yonder Cider Lic 604565718-001-003, 7800 1st NW 98117-3009They are encouraging sales on the C

    11-10-2020: I am writing to complain about a bar that has opened in the garage of a single family home on a Seattle Stay Healthy Street in Greenwood (7800 1st Ave NW, Seattle, WA 98117) within 500 feet of two schools and two churches. The bar is open during the following hours:WEDNESDAY – FRIDAY 3-7 PM SATURDAY 12-7 PMSUNDAY 12-6 PMAn inspector would need to visit during one of these times to see that the bar opens from a residential garage directly onto the sidewal

    11-16-2020: I am writing to complain about a bar that has opened in the garage of a single family home on a Seattle Stay Healthy Street in Greenwood (7800 1st Ave NW, Seattle, WA 98117) within 500 feet of two schools and two churches. The bar is open during the following hours:WEDNESDAY – FRIDAY 3-7 PM SATURDAY 12-7 PMSUNDAY 12-6 PMAn inspector would need to visit during one of these times to see that the bar opens from a residential garage directly onto the sidewal

    01-21-2021: Yonder Bar is selling cans of alcohol out of their garage. This is in a residential neighborhood. They are located on a Stay Safe street, and their patrons are consuming the alcohol that they purchase from Yonder Bar on the street even while children are walking and biking past them. We do not feel it is appropriate and clearly not safe for our parish community, as well as the surrounding neighborhood, for the sale of alcoholic beverages to be so close to our Churc

    02-08-2021: I believe Yonder Bar, 7800 1st AVE NW, to be operating illegally in a residential zone. Also, the sidewalk is often blocked by persons not wearing a mask and they are consuming alcohol.

    02-08-2021: I am writing to complain about the closure of Yonder Cider on 1st Ave. Prior complaints suggest sidewalks are blocked by patrons, but they are no more blocked than by neighbors who stop and chat after a chance encounter on a city corner. Prior complaints do not weigh the benefit of establishments that Yonder bring to our community.Since opening, this establishment has become a place to build connections and community with our neighbors. They are supported by many who live an

    02-10-2021: There is a for-profit retail bar/tavern and retail alcohol sales business operating in willful and flagrant violation of Seattle zoning regulations. This business is operating in a location which is zoned SF5000. Business operations in SF5000 zone are regulated with regard to signage and street presence.This is the first complaint I have made. I have no association with any individuals or organizations that may have made other complaints about this business.

    02-11-2021: I have talked with the owners of Yonder Bar about this issue, many of us have. Neighbors continue to find empty Yonder cans in our yards, many of us have needed to confront mask less persons drinking in our driveways. They are not the innocent small business owners they try to present themselves as. We, their nearby neighbors, have talked with them several times, asking them to close earlier, not allow patrons to drink outside on the sidewalk, etc. It is ridicul

    1. 08-19-2020: I am writing to complain about a home (7800 1st Ave NW, Seattle, WA 98117) in my neighborhood that is selling alcohol from their garage. The home is located in a residential neighborhood located two doors away from a private elementary school and one block away from a public elementary school. The garage of this house has recently been converted into a bar, called Yonder (https://www.yondercider.com/find-us), where the home owners are now selling alcoholic bevera

      08-22-2020: homeowner is operating a hard cider shop out of their garage (SF5000 zone). business signage installed – but does not appear to have appropriate City/state approvals. creating a significant amount of pedestrian traffic on weekends.

      09-01-2020: I am writing trying to find out what the process is that now apparently allows folks to conduct (certain) businesses from their detached garages in Seattle. I am unaware of any kind of Notice or news that this was being allowed. Neighbors in my neighborhood spruced up their detached single car cement garage on Phinney and are selling their canned cider under a 2nd license.Yonder Cider Lic 604565718-001-003, 7800 1st NW 98117-3009They are encouraging sales on the C

      11-10-2020: I am writing to complain about a bar that has opened in the garage of a single family home on a Seattle Stay Healthy Street in Greenwood (7800 1st Ave NW, Seattle, WA 98117) within 500 feet of two schools and two churches. The bar is open during the following hours:WEDNESDAY – FRIDAY 3-7 PM SATURDAY 12-7 PMSUNDAY 12-6 PMAn inspector would need to visit during one of these times to see that the bar opens from a residential garage directly onto the sidewal

      11-16-2020: I am writing to complain about a bar that has opened in the garage of a single family home on a Seattle Stay Healthy Street in Greenwood (7800 1st Ave NW, Seattle, WA 98117) within 500 feet of two schools and two churches. The bar is open during the following hours:WEDNESDAY – FRIDAY 3-7 PM SATURDAY 12-7 PMSUNDAY 12-6 PMAn inspector would need to visit during one of these times to see that the bar opens from a residential garage directly onto the sidewal

      01-21-2021: Yonder Bar is selling cans of alcohol out of their garage. This is in a residential neighborhood. They are located on a Stay Safe street, and their patrons are consuming the alcohol that they purchase from Yonder Bar on the street even while children are walking and biking past them. We do not feel it is appropriate and clearly not safe for our parish community, as well as the surrounding neighborhood, for the sale of alcoholic beverages to be so close to our Churc

      02-08-2021: I believe Yonder Bar, 7800 1st AVE NW, to be operating illegally in a residential zone. Also, the sidewalk is often blocked by persons not wearing a mask and they are consuming alcohol.

      02-08-2021: I am writing to complain about the closure of Yonder Cider on 1st Ave. Prior complaints suggest sidewalks are blocked by patrons, but they are no more blocked than by neighbors who stop and chat after a chance encounter on a city corner. Prior complaints do not weigh the benefit of establishments that Yonder bring to our community.Since opening, this establishment has become a place to build connections and community with our neighbors. They are supported by many who live an

      02-10-2021: There is a for-profit retail bar/tavern and retail alcohol sales business operating in willful and flagrant violation of Seattle zoning regulations. This business is operating in a location which is zoned SF5000. Business operations in SF5000 zone are regulated with regard to signage and street presence.This is the first complaint I have made. I have no association with any individuals or organizations that may have made other complaints about this business.

      02-11-2021: I have talked with the owners of Yonder Bar about this issue, many of us have. Neighbors continue to find empty Yonder cans in our yards, many of us have needed to confront mask less persons drinking in our driveways. They are not the innocent small business owners they try to present themselves as. We, their nearby neighbors, have talked with them several times, asking them to close earlier, not allow patrons to drink outside on the sidewalk, etc. It is ridicul

      1. Asking them to CLOSE EARLIER THAN 7 PM?!!

        1. If you look at the neighborhood, there are several things within a few blocks of this location which are not houses, schools, or churches.

          Such as:
          – 74th St. Ale House
          – The Cozy Nut Tavern
          – Taqueria Tequila
          – a NUMBER of coffee shops (it’s Seattle)
          – a NUMBER of restaurants
          – a NUMBER of retail stores

          1. Is 74 st Ale House still open? Man, haven’t been there since the mid 90s.

            1. Not in 2021. Nothing is open in Seattle in 2021. It’s a masked wasteland. Just hobos, hobo shit, and used needles as far as the eye can see.

              1. And Karens donning binoculars.

      2. “…many of us have needed to confront mask less persons drinking in our driveways…”

        They are supposed to use a straw and cut a hole in the mask!

        1. Twist: Straws are also illegal.

          1. So are the plastic bags to carry them in.

      3. 02-08-2021: I believe Yonder Bar, 7800 1st AVE NW, to be operating illegally in a residential zone. Also, the sidewalk is often blocked by persons not wearing a mask and they are consuming alcohol.

        Alcohol must be consumed THROUGH THE DOUBLE MASK!

      4. The complainer must be a city employee. Only a city employee would care this much about zoning and signage.

        1. Nah, could be someone who hates them for some other reason looking up the zoning code so the complaint sounds more like something the zoning department is “required” to do something about.

        2. Once lived in Karenville. A friend’s dad was remodeling his house. And a Karen started filing complaints about starting work before the construction permit sign had been up the required ten days before start of work. The Karen lived three blocks away in the direction of the neighborhood entrance. He never passed the house when going to his orchestra job. It was unreal.

      5. I applaud your tenacity in finding the listings. I just spent 20 mins and found only 3. so many complaints about everything.

  10. I suspect she could stay in business by the method described in “How I Found Freedom in an Unfree World”, wherein a business that regulators had been trying to close for years just kept moving into new modes of business and operating all along. They had to pay lawyers’ fees of course, but those were minuscule compared to the profits foregone if they’d knuckled under.

    I could see her operating as shown in the video, not by appointment but with the garage door closed until someone knocked, and advertising online and/or by piped-out audio. No business sign, but the largest allowed address number sign.

    Meanwhile find out who the complainer was and put THAT person out of business.

  11. Part of the reason I moved out of my house in the HOA was shitty nosy busybodies like this. It was cool when we moved in but gradually the people who took over things turned it into a nightmare.

  12. They need to set up a simple little website where you can “make and appointment” to pick up your cider in the next 3 minutes.

    1. A Ring (r) brand door bell or something similar might do the trick. Set it to send an alert to the tablet or smartphone of the person working the counter. Appointment set for 30 seconds from now.

    2. And then put a kiosk right next to their counter.

  13. Don’t want to be on the wrong cider of this issue.

    1. It would leave a sour taste in our mouths.

      1. The angry may ferment on this for a bit.

  14. Soon, there must be a Karenocide. Society must eradicate them all. Male, female, and the gender fluid Karens. Joe Biden should declare them an existential threat.

    1. Nah. He will not speak ill of his base.

  15. The mistake he made is he’s not a homeless encampment. He should have stuck tents all around the street, and cooked meth in them, then the city would not only ignore the complaints, but would encourage the activity.

    1. He also made the mistake of being a white guy…

      Bad move…

  16. No city is going to let someone run a retail business from their garage in a residential zone. He should get a food truck, then he’d be cool.

    1. or get a food cart and sell the cider at the curb. and be sure you have a protected minority surname. that way the wokers will be afraid to confront you.(and thats not a typo btw)lol

  17. “Hopefully, the city will come to its senses. And soon.”

    Ha. This is Seattle we’re talking about.

  18. Everybody in the story including the author, the complainer, and the business owner vote Democrat.

  19. The City rand by a council of Nazi’s (National Socialists).
    What are you people doing in the USA? Don’t you belong in Cuba?

  20. This is a good example of why people need to chill. Replace cancel culture with chill culture. The president could appoint a chill commission and put Snoop in charge.

    Sounds like fun. Cant think of a better way to decompress than a good hard cider at a neighborhood stand.

  21. Is this the city that allowed the anarchists to create a anarchist zone with no repercussions? WTF.

  22. There are more socks in the Reason commentariat than in a millipede’s sock drawer.

    1. Well done!

  23. “And a freedom of information act request, which at least one party has filed with the city, could shed light on just who filed the complaints against Yonder Bar and—maybe—why they did so.”

    ?: Would such a thing deter an “anonymous” complainer, or just give them a pedestal?

  24. Tyranny…

  25. I disagree with the sentiment of this post. For one, I don’t think it represents an libertarian viewpoint at all, if that’s your objective.

    A real libertarian would recognize that in earlier, simpler times, that some here claim to hark back to, the barriers the neighbor seeks to enforce would have been imposed by covenants running with the land and enforceable in court. When you purchased your home your realtor would have related those restrictions to you and it would have influenced your purchasing decision if you are an rational buyer. Here, the city has replicated those conditions with zoning ordinances that set out IN ADVANCE restrictions on the use of the property. If this man’s home existed before such restrictions he would be grandfathered in and able to carry on his business. One can assume he is not grandfathered and therefore is simply trying to create rules that convenience him and harm his neighbor’s interest.

    Those aren’t the behaviors of a good guy, no matter how many rationalizations people try and contrive for his behavior.

    If he’d moved to an mixed commercial/residential use zone he wouldn’t be in this predicament. Instead, he moved to a residential zone. The failure of foresight is his to own.

    1. death to lemonade stands.

  26. This is not good for small businesses. But I see this happening around North America, not just Seattle. For example a small Halifax appliance repair I have connections with reported all their favorite take-out bars closing down due to fear of the disease. I’d fear losing my life’s work more then getting a brief disease. Stay strong out there business owners! This should be over soon. And btw, much respect this was very well written.

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