Impeachment

Trump Acquitted in Second Impeachment Trial Despite 7 Republicans Voting To Convict

Whether the reality-show-star-turned-first-president-to-be-impeached-twice has a future in American politics, however, sadly remains an open question.

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Former President Donald Trump was acquitted by the Senate on Saturday as his second impeachment trial came to a conclusion.

Seven Republicans joined all 50 Democrats in voting to convict Trump, who was charged with having incited an insurrection by encouraging rioters to mob the U.S. Capitol on January 6. Despite the Republican defections, the final vote of 57-43 was insufficient to meet the two-thirds majority required to convict Trump and bar him from holding federal office in the future.

Still, the number of Republicans who broke ranks is significant—when the Senate voted on Trump's first impeachment in January 2020, Sen. Mitt Romney (R–Utah) was the lone Republican to vote for conviction. This time, Romney was joined by Sens. Richard Burr (R–N.C.), Bill Cassidy (R–La.), Susan Collins (R–Maine), Lisa Murkowski (R–Alaska), Ben Sasse (R–Neb.), and Pat Toomey (R–Pa.)

Those senators, and the 10 Republican members of the House of Representatives who voted to impeach Trump last month, clearly demonstrate the stark divide facing the party as it seeks a post-Trump identity.

The outcome of Trump's trial was never in much serious doubt, but Saturday did provide some late drama when five Republicans unexpectedly sided with Democrats in voting to allow witnesses to testify at the trial. The vote temporarily opened the door to a much longer impeachment trial—one that likely would have included even more damning evidence of Trump's role in fomenting the January 6th chaos. But shortly after the vote, Senate Democrats announced that they would not call witnesses after all, in an apparent attempt to bring the trial to a more speedy conclusion so the Senate can turn its attention to other matters.

That came on the heels of an explosive revelation on Friday night, when Rep. Jaime Herrera Beutler (R–Wash.) publicly disclosed that Trump had rebuked an effort by House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R–Calif.) to get the president to call off the rioters on January 6. According to Herrera Beutler, McCarthy said that Trump responded by saying that "I guess these people are more upset about the election than you are."

Herrera Beutler's account—along with other details of Trump's reaction to the events of January 6th as they were still unfolding—made a powerful case for the former president's conviction. As Reason's Jacob Sullum wrote earlier this week, Trump's refusal to call in the National Guard, his tweets and video message to the rioters on that day, and his refusal to unambiguously condemn what happened should have been enough to impeach and bar him from office even if he had no role in inciting the event.

Trump's defense team seemed to know there was little hope of clearing their client of the responsibility for the Capitol riot. Instead, they focused their defense on a weak First Amendment argument that completely ignored the main issue of the trial: whether Trump violated his oath of office by inciting the violence. No one seriously debates that the president has a right to say whatever he pleases, but that right does not absolve anyone of the consequences of their actions.

The other defense, and ultimately the one that probably kept more Republicans from defecting and voting to convict, was rooted in the idea that the Senate did not have the constitutional authority to convict a president who has already left office. That's also a poor defense—one that effectively leaves Congress with no recourse against a chief executive who breaks the law on his way out the door—but it was one that most Republican senators seemed to buy, or at least be willing to hide behind.

Now that the impeachment trial is over, the Trump era has come to a close. Whether the reality-show-star-turned-first-president-to-be-impeached-twice has a future in American politics, however, sadly remains an open question—thanks to a Republican Party that seems dominated by fealty to little else besides Trump's whims.

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  1. AND THEN EVERYONE STOPPED TALKING ABOUT TRUMP

    1. …and started talking about how their political enemies were “Trump like.”

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      1. Hopefully when they start comparing bad guys to Trump they won’t pull out the transitive property so we can quit talking about Hitler.

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  2. Sullum hardest hit.

    1. No, hardest hit will be those who read his articles anyway, expecting something different.

      1. Tony

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    2. How bad is it for clingers, incels, bigots, superstitious slack-jaws, backwater rubes, and other conservatives and Republicans in modern America?

      ‘We won!! 43-57!!”

      Democratic Senate. Democratic House. Democratic White House. Liberal-libertarian mainstream. Liberal-libertarian culture war victory.

      Carry on, clingers. So far as your betters permit, that is.

      1. So Kirkland hardest hit?

        1. Yeah, but he’s so stupid, he doesn’t know it yet. Give him a couple of weeks.

      2. Done trolling and shitposting over at Volokh you fucking piece of left wing trash?

        2022 you lose Congress, 2024 you lose the white house. again.

        1. Just not enough uneducated bigots, incels, superstitious slack-jaws, disaffected clingers, and anti-social culture war losers left to keep Republicans competitive in national elections. The American culture war is not over but it has been settled. The good guys have won. The bigoted Republicans and bigoted conservatives are America’s losers. This is as it should be.

          1. Get bent.

          2. Lmao you are straight out of a random phrase generator lesson in programming 101.

            1. A a college SJW studies intro course.

              1. Thats right, it’s not even random, it’s always just the same list. So they spend a semester memorizing 10 sentences.

      3. Actually, we permit YOU to live. Maybe not for too much longer. We have all the guns and the training. Plus, not a one of you fagots can fight our way out of a wet paper bag.

        I long for the day when you completely overstep, and we can say we were…… provoked.

        1. Well, you have now admitted that you don’t actually believe in the rule of law, you believe in the rule of force. You “permit” us to live? If you adhered to any principles, you wouldn’t say that. It was Mao who famously said “Political power comes out of from the barrel of a gun.” Is that the company you want to keep?

          1. Retaliatory use of force in defense of liberty is absolutely lawful.

            1. “Retaliatory use of force in defense of liberty is absolutely lawful.”

              Yeah, no, that’s a bullshit argument. I don’t recall there being a right to defend vague threats to “liberty” with deadly force. Is someone chanting “Defund the Police” a threat to your liberty that warrants shooting them in your view? Would that be “completely” overstepping as Sexist Ranger said?

              Government has a monopoly on the legitimate use of force aside from people having the right to defend themselves from imminent threats to their physical wellbeing. That is as it has to be because otherwise, you don’t have even libertarian government, you have anarchy.

              1. “Yeah, no, that’s a bullshit argument”

                No, THAT is a bullshit argument.

                1. And the big elephant in the room???
                  “believe in the rule of law” — The People’s Supreme Law over their government. The U.S. Constitution! That law the Nazi Regime has thrown out the window.

              2. I don’t recall there being a right to defend vague threats to “liberty” with deadly force.

                It begins with the phrase “When in the course of human events…”

                1. The Declaration of Independence listed specific reasons for the Revolution. It is also not what IceTrey and Sexist Ranger were talking about, as the Revolution was against government threats to liberty. Those two idiots longing for civil war are dreaming of being able to off ordinary people that they disagree with.

                  “Actually, we permit YOU [Rev. Kirkland] to live. Maybe not for too much longer.”

                  “I long for the day when you completely overstep, and we can say we were…… provoked.”

                  He isn’t specifying what he means by Kirkland “overstep[ping]”, and I’m sure that is on purpose. The threat is implied that he better not say anything or advocate for laws or policies that Sexist Ranger would find threatening to his “liberty”. What is it going to take to trigger him? Wanting universal background checks for gun sales? Universal health care? Demand for enforcement of the Voting Rights Act? Maybe he’ll think his liberty is threatened if businesses can’t discriminate against gays.

                  Too many of Trump’s fanboys are just looking for an excuse to execute some “leftists”. They are not patriots, just thuggish assholes.

              3. If the rule of law is merely the will of progressives based on their agenda on any given day, then there is no law, we have no government, and I don’t owe you a damned thing.

                If that happens, then we will crush you progs and restore the real rule of law. We need our constitutional republic. We don’t need even a single progtard in this country. Progs would do well to remember that, and learn their place.

          2. I be,I eve in the rule of law as long as it exists. I won’t be constrained by it if it only exists for me and not the progtards too. If you’re a progtard, your continued existence is a mercy permitted by the rest of us.

            That mercy is finite.

        2. All-talk right-wing pussies are among my favorite culture war casualties.

          1. That looks like all talk.

          2. All talk unti you catch a hollow point to the face. Keep talking.

          3. Jesus Christ, the wannabe hardcore, internet dark knight is talking about “all talk”? 😀 😀 😀

            Your blind psychosis amuses me. The people who give you hate and get genuinely angry in here do not yet know about how superior a position they are in, compared to yours. You will be able to keep on insulting them. And then the replacement will happen. But it wont be the way you imagined it, buster. 😉

          4. Your only here because you got banned at volokh hahaha

            1. Wait, really?

          5. Cunt, you couldn’t fight your way out of a wet paper sack, or even Tony’s nutsack. You faggot.

            Not a single progtard is ever anything more than a weak little pussy. Especially you.

        3. I believe American Civil War version 2.0 is inevitable.
          The people voted themselves into communism, and the only way out is to shoot yourself out.
          While the red counties may have all the guns, farmland and fighters, what do you think the Russians, Iranians and Chinese are going to do when the American Civil War breaks out?
          They’re going to send convoys to the Democrat cities on both coasts filled with arms, ammo and food.
          If the Free States of America attack the Chinese convoys, then the Chinese will intervene with troops on the Democrat side.
          Even just intervening with supplies, that will prolong the American Civil War for years.
          Plenty long enough for China to see his Taiwan, I ran to build an atom bomb, and Russia to do whatever it wants.

          1. China to invade Taiwan, Iran to build the bomb…

          2. Russia really doesn’t want an unstable US. Divided and bickering? Sure. But they don’t want their only nuclear rival to be a total wildcard.
            Iran will get the bomb whether we’re at war with ourselves, or just the status quo (where it’s just our ruling class waging war on the people) holds.
            Taiwan will be no cakewalk for China. Have you seen its coastline? And China will not send troops here. That’s way too logistically daunting, and there would be no good reason. China doesn’t gain anything from direct involvement, but gains plenty from just sitting back and watching.
            If the US descends into a shooting Civil War, it’s likely to spread to the rest of the world. Europe could send troops (they will send supplies), but I don’t think they’d have enough trust in their own populations to get that committed.

          3. “I believe American Civil War version 2.0 is inevitable.
            The people voted themselves into communism, and the only way out is to shoot yourself out.”

            This is delusional. You have no fucking clue what “communism” is if you believe what you are saying. No current Democrat has advocated for anything that doesn’t already exist in many European countries that have better functioning systems of representative government than ours.

            You just want to keep hating anyone that votes differently than you do.

            1. And that my friend is major dipshittery. “Better functioning systems of representation in Europe”, where people can go as far as Govt permits them to, and their Overton Window is so dwarfed that you can’t have a fraction of the discourse you can have in America without being ostracized.

              You are a pathetic moron, pointing to Europe as a model for America.

            2. And the fucking socialistic impulses in this country alarm anyone who is not a fucking lefty shitstain.

          4. The civil war started the day George Floyd died.

      4. Hey Rev. Farter Clingland:
        Your liberal-libertarian mainstream does not exist. If you crawl out from under your rock for a moment, you find a country that is split 50/50 conservative-liberal with a meaningless libertarian party attached to it. A country where clowns like you are one of the main reason people cant get along. Conservativism will not go away. Guns will not go away. But maybe clingers like you will go away, washed away by people finding moderation because of the dire state we are in. Or the split will lead to hot conflict. Then you will be gone too. In any case, future has no use for YOU. And you know this. I think that is really what makes you so angry, isn’t it, clinger? 😀

        1. Trump lost by seven million votes, although he cleaned up with the depleted human residue that remains in our can’t-keep-up backwaters. Republicans have earned the most votes in one national election in three decades. The electorate gets less White, less bigoted, less rural, less religious, and less backward every day. Guys like me will continue to shape our national progress. Guys like you will continue to comply, while whining a lot. I am content.

          1. You lost though.

          2. “shape our national progress” with Nazi policy supporters of [WE] Power-Mad mobs running around Stealing and destroying everything while pretending the USA isn’t defined by the U.S. Constitution?

            Ya, that’s a winner… /s

          3. Look whos triggered because Trump was acquitted 😀

            7 million are still just a small percentage of 350 million, if Rev. Fuckface knows math. Beating someone like Trump (!) by such a small, coinflip-esque margin should alarm bigotted leftist clingers like you. But being content is – I guess – a good alternative to the appropriately heightened bloodpressure that your amygdala should be blasting into your system. Your woke bullshit has no future, and that is ostensible when you think it helps your cause that the electorate has become less “white”. The out-of-touch, degenerate snowflakes that you speak for will receive a proper culture war curb stomping. Facts don’t care about your feelings. And it is a fact that conservatives are going nowhere. Just like guns. Just drink it in pal. Drink it in. 😀

            1. Bigoted. Fycking phone

          4. Lmao. How are you going to shape our national progress when you couldn’t even hold a job at a shitty newspaper let alone on a small town water authority board hihn?

          5. You don’t shape anything. You have no seat at the table and you will either be murdered by your own kind or lawfully executed as a traitor by us.

            Best you just commit suicide now.

      5. It is a sad commentary on our times that one political party in America is given a free pass to denigrate the rule of law, defame law enforcement, cheer mobs, excuse rioters, and transform justice into a tool of political vengeance, and persecute, blacklist, cancel and suppress all people and viewpoints with whom or which they disagree. I always have, and always will, be a champion for the unwavering rule of law, the heroes of law enforcement, and the right of Americans to peacefully and honorably debate the issues of the day without malice and without hate.

        Our historic, patriotic and beautiful movement to Make America Great Again has only just begun.

        - Trump - after acquittal

        Soak it in Kirkland. Acquitted. Again. Acquitted, forever. Kind of like Pelosi's "impeached forever." Instead - Acquitted, forever. I know you are upset about it. But that is the way it is. That's the way it is always going to be. No matter how hard you try... acquitted. Let it soak in.

        1. Trump will be remembered, including in obituaries and history books, for failure, bigotry, and impeachments.

          Except at Klan rallies and Republican committee meetings.

          1. You’ll only be remembered for failure and bigotry, but 2 out of 3 ain’t bad.

            1. I doubt the asshole bigot will be remembered at all, and it’s likely his family won’t speak about him.
              If you had a relative like that, would you admit it in polite company?

          2. The entire liberal thesis is one built on passion and emotion, not logic. History books tend to remove the emotions. Pelosi will be remembered for far worse. The Russian investigation and falsified FISAs even more.

            1. “The entire liberal thesis is one built on passion and emotion, not logic.”

              No one operates entirely on logic. There are no Vulcans on Earth. Politics is always going to involve people’s passions and emotions. And it should, as it is our emotions that help us decide what to value, how to prioritize our values. It is our passions that motivate us to act when being passive may otherwise seem the easier path. The point is to use reason and logic as a check on our emotions. We need to recognize when what we want to think or believe is simply not true, when the actions that we want to take would be ill-advised and lead to worse outcomes than other actions, and when we are letting our baser instincts control our thoughts.

              If you really think that the right is better at this than the left, then I would submit that is because you aren’t using your reason and logic as a check to your own emotions and passions. That is because the point isn’t to be better at logic than the other side, as that makes it seem like you are supposed to direct your reasoning against the other side. The point is to direct your skepticism and distrust toward your own ideas first. Focus on not fooling yourself before you worry about whether the other side is trying to fool you or others.

              If you don’t know the specific areas where the right tends to fool itself that I have in mind, I can help you out.

          3. Your kind will be remembered for its treason. You progs will make it necessary to slaughter you in droves to protect ourselves stop your treason.

      6. I really don’t get why you dog on your fellow Democrats so much.

      7. Rev, permit me (haha, get it?) to be one of the few on this board to commend you for the important work you do in highlighting the authoritarian proclivities of the left. Your thinly veiled mockery of progressives is spot on.

        Don’t change a thing, old man.

    3. Hardest hit is going to be the traitor republicans who voted to convict. They must all be destroyed.

      1. Hey, JesseAz, Mother’s, Sevo don’t all rush to condemn Mark Thrust’s violent comments at once!

        1. TDS-addled shit triggered by casual comment!

        2. Figuratively (no, not literally, troll), he’s right.

        3. It was so violent - we need to try him for insurrection now!

          LOL

        4. How cute. The guy still pushing liberal lies brought me up without me in thread. Lol. I’d say I lived in your head but it’s too small to fit.

        5. By the way.. you defended Jeff’s thesis that cops can kill protesters for trespassing.

        6. I was actually speaking of their careers and business prospects. I can see how a dirty, lying, vicious progtard, such as yourself, could be confused.

      2. Open wider, clingers.

        Or not. Your comfort is not much of a concern. What counts is that you will continue to comply.

        1. Oh damn look at how mad you are lololol

        2. Smooch

        3. Go peddle your rape fantasies elsewhere, child.

        4. Hey Kirkland:

          It is a sad commentary on our times that one political party in America is given a free pass to denigrate the rule of law, defame law enforcement, cheer mobs, excuse rioters, and transform justice into a tool of political vengeance, and persecute, blacklist, cancel and suppress all people and viewpoints with whom or which they disagree. I always have, and always will, be a champion for the unwavering rule of law, the heroes of law enforcement, and the right of Americans to peacefully and honorably debate the issues of the day without malice and without hate.

          Our historic, patriotic and beautiful movement to Make America Great Again has only just begun.

          - Trump - after acquittal

          Soak it in Kirkland. Acquitted. Again. Acquitted, forever. Kind of like Pelosi's "impeached forever." Instead - Acquitted, forever. I know you are upset about it. But that is the way it is. That's the way it is always going to be. No matter how hard you try... acquitted. Let it soak in.

        5. Its your biggest fear that those you want to see “comply” would cease to do so.

          You will open wide. Just like you must have in the past, which has turned you into the useless, extremist husk that you are.

          You cling hardest. You open widest. Thats why you are crankiest. Non-stop. You are the joke that I can talk to. 😀

        6. Why are you so homophobic that you constantly act like homosexual sex acts are a bad thing?

          1. Because Democrats are the most racist, sexist, and homophobic motherfuckers in this country?

    4. IDK, Boehm is taking it pretty hard:
      “Whether the reality-show-star-turned-first-president-to-be-impeached-twice has a future in American politics, however, sadly remains an open question.”

      1. TRUMP 2025!!! Sadly; the continued use of election fraud still remains an open question.

    5. No, Jacob wasn’t hit at all. You really think he believes this shit he’s been writing? Go back and read the stuff he used to write. Clearly his boss is making him write this shit. Hey, it’s a job. We’re not paying a cent, it’s advertising-supported, so who are we to complain?

      1. The main point is, nobody with any understanding of the events could seriously believe Trump to have been guilty of this charge. Jacob knows we won’t believe it, he doesn’t believe it…who cares? It’s just a kind of…I don’t know…advertising slogan. Advertising’s all horse shit, everyone knows that, so….

        1. Sullum is obviously getting paid to write anti-Trump and anti-election fraud articles, whether he believes what he writes or not.

        2. Note your complete lack of concern for how Trump responded when McCarthy asked him to call off the rioters.

          1. You mean posting a video telling them to go home within hours? What more do you think should have been done, Grima?

          2. The rioters didn't belong to him - so how could he "call them off."

            Delusional.

            1. Of course he’s confused. His kind are owned by their prog masters. They can’t envision a dynamic where real humans have a will and ideas of their own.

              Like every progressive, he’s just a soulless, unclean thing, and part of the Marxist hive mind.

          3. Is anyone the least bit concerned that hearsay was permitted in the record? Trump had the conversation with Kevin McCarthy, so call Kevin McCarthy to give testimony. The “court” did a poor job of establishing fact, as Trump’s lawyers were only too happy to demonstrate. We the People lost today because our representatives are too incompetent to be a truly disciplined and deliberative assembly.

            1. WK is claiming 3rd party hearsay is evidence. Lol.

          4. You mean the submitted hearsay? Lol. God damn. Your only determination on evidence seems to be whether or not it supports your narrative. Why not have Mike Lee respond? He claimed it was a false representation the day before. But you believe the house reps 3rd hand description.

            God damn youre a fucking joke.

          5. I looked it up:
            1) Third party claim; no one not TDS-addled would credit it at all.
            2) One report had it ‘profanity laced’, as if Trump were swearing, another had it that McCarthy asked Trump “do you know who the fuck you’re talking to?”. I’d hope Trump would have told him to stuff it up his ass.
            3) What was Trump supposed to do? Walk down there with a bullhorn?
            WK, fuck off and die; make the world a smarter place.

      2. You realize that calling him a bought and paid for shill is about the worst thing you could say about him?

        1. Saying he’s the same as most working people is so awful?

          I believe his writing on most subjects, just have to discount what he writes on a few. Not so hard, especially when he makes it so obvious. I think he probably makes it obvious as a way of laughing up his sleeve at his payor. It’s the next best thing to a sarc tag.

          1. That you think ‘most’ working people are fundamentally dishonest in their work says everything anyone needs to know about your character.

  3. “According to Herrera Beutler, McCarthy said”

    This is called hearsay, btw.

    1. Right you are. But impeachment rules are not the same as a criminal trial. So the statement goes in the record. BTW – I did not hear McCarthy refute this statement.

      1. “Right you are.”

        I know, that’s why I said it. There’s a good reason it’s not allowed in real courts, only kangaroo courts.

        1. In a real court, McCarthy himself would be subpoenaed and forced to confirm or deny the statement under oath, making Beutler’s hearsay a non-issue. I’m sure that, as a politician, he’d tell the truth …

          1. The house chose not to investigate. Blame them.

          2. Also in a real court the judge would have not allowed last minute evidence after both sides had concluded their arguments. You don’t seem to care about that. Especially evidence of hearsay.

            1. In a real court, a judge gets to decide whether to allow a party to re-open its case-in-chief and present additional evidence, even after both sides have concluded their arguments. Is it a habit with you to confidently assert things about which you have no knowledge?

          3. A real court would have a judge presiding over it, not a partisan that already ruled guilty before the trial.

      2. Impeachment rules also prohibit trying a former officer.

        1. That is not so. The actual language on the matter is ambiguous, if you are looking at it honestly.

          1. TDS-addled shits hope to find enough other TDS-addled shits to squint the right way.

          2. The language is not ambiguous. You want the language to be ambiguous so he could be tried for impeachment. In the case for trump, the constitution clearly says "and" not "or" - removal from office and barred from running for office. Keyword: "And." Since he is already removed from office, they can't remove him again. I know a logical "and" is difficult for you, but try not to reveal how your bias exceeds your principles.

            1. What principles?

          3. It isnt ambiguous you lying shit. This proves you’re a lefty partisan fuckwit. The constitution is a granting of affirmative powers, not a declaration of what is not allowed. Any ambiguity would fall on the side of not allowing congress to do it. You are literally cheering on shit authoritarian states do.

        2. Is that a Liberty or Ave Maria law degree talking, is that something you think you remember from a discount homeschooling outline, or is that something you heard from Levin or Hannity?

          Loud dumbasses are among my favorite culture war casualties.

          1. Oh god you’re getting even more upset lololl

          2. Hey Kirkland: "It is a sad commentary on our times that one political party in America is given a free pass to denigrate the rule of law, defame law enforcement, cheer mobs, excuse rioters, and transform justice into a tool of political vengeance, and persecute, blacklist, cancel and suppress all people and viewpoints with whom or which they disagree. I always have, and always will, be a champion for the unwavering rule of law, the heroes of law enforcement, and the right of Americans to peacefully and honorably debate the issues of the day without malice and without hate.

            Our historic, patriotic and beautiful movement to Make America Great Again has only just begun. "

            - Trump - after acquittal

            Soak it in Kirkland. Acquitted. Again. Acquitted, forever. Kind of like Pelosi's "impeached forever." Instead - Acquitted, forever. I know you are upset about it. But that is the way it is. That's the way it is always going to be. No matter how hard you try... acquitted. Let it soak in.

          3. “Culture war casualties”

            That martial rhetoric, god, you must be so excessively dumb. You really have no idea what can of worms you and your totalitarian ilk are trying to open. You better hope they don’t succeed. Because then you will understand who has been mostly in charge and observing ever since the 2nd Amendment was created. And the name Madison will echo in your war-obsessed, extremist cranial lump of wasted tissue. More than 100 million people and counting fast, and you really talk like you want war on them and then some 75 million more from the fragile, warped mental place you are in. You really think youre winning… its incredible.

          4. WK tried to shame me into calling out violence above yet is oddly silent here for his side. Lol.

            1. Kirkland isn’t on White Douchebags side. Because White Douchebag doesn’t see himself as the same kind of piece of shit liberal as Kirkland.

              1. Don’t let the rev fool ya: he’s just a nastier version of OBL, amplifying prog nonsense.

                He’s harmless. At least OBL is occasionally funny.

          5. “Loud dumbasses are among my favorite culture war casualties.”

            Mine too, loud dumbass.

          6. You’re a dolt Kirkland. Hearsay is a pretty commonly understood word for those of us with above average intelligence. You had to look it up, didn’t you?

      3. “…But impeachment rules are not the same as a criminal trial. So the statement goes in the record…”

        Kangaroo courts are what TDS-addled shits luv!

      4. It is amazing watching statists make this claim as one of fact. You literally defend the corruption of process for your political gains.

    2. “This is called hearsay, btw.”

      And the charges were of equal legal merit.

    3. Because chicken shit McCarthy is too craven a coward to talk about it publicly himself.

      1. Hahaha you lost ahahahaha

      2. Spin it White Knight. You are the top DeeJay of bad facts and echo chamber information.

      3. So you know it is fact even though Mccarthy hasn’t said so? Good work buddy.

      4. It was predictable that you would defend hearsay Dee.

  4. Now time to impeach Pierre Delecto.

    1. That guy should be tormented in every legal way possible, and driven out of office. Same with the others.

      It’s also time to start primarying all RINOs until they’re driven from the GOP.

      1. That’s a great idea. Primary anyone that isn’t slavishly devoted to Trump out of the GOP so that the whackjobs like Greene become the face of the party even more than they already are. Chase away anyone that even thinks that they should go into elected office with the intent to try and appeal to an actual majority the electorate. That would mean making compromises, and that is for weaklings. They should hold strong and only represent that 30-40% of the country that is conservative, with maybe half of that being more devoted to Trump’s cult of personality than they are conservative ideology anymore. As long as Republican elected officials do what Trump tells you to tell them to do, then they are True Patriots.

        1. That already happened to the democrat party. 50-0 was their vote. Where are their compromises? Where is their diversity of thought? They are already a cult of solidarity to their ideology, so your screed and complaints about the republican party mean nothing. Nothing at all.

        2. Primary anyone that isn’t slavishly devoted to “The People’s” Supreme Law ( The U.S. Constitution) out of the GOP……

          Yes, that exactly! As the original term RINO infers.

        3. You’re pretty dumb if you got that from this… “Those senators, and the 10 Republican members of the House of Representatives who voted to impeach Trump last month, clearly demonstrate the stark divide facing the party as it seeks a post-Trump identity.”

          Where you and boehm both get it wrong is this doesn’t show a stark divide. It shows the same rinos, Lincoln projecters, and lame duck TDSers like Toomey, towed their respective organizations (or mental disorders) lines.

          I’ve emailed with Toomey multiple times on this issue. He literally admits Pennsylvania violated it’s own constitution and laws regarding the election, but then says he voted to certify the election because all the courts refused to hear the case. How can he be so two faced and ignorant as to admit the constitution was violated in our state, but refuse to do something about it unless he’s got a mental disorder or is compromised?

          1. Dizzle,

            Enough Republicans did vote against Trump to make a significant statement. And that most Senators that didn’t hid behind dubious arguments that the impeachment was unconstitutional or cries about due process rather than defend his actual behavior is also telling.

            Most importantly though, how many House Republicans disagreed with Liz Cheney strongly enough on impeachment to vote to remove her from leadership when it was a secret ballot? Compare that to the relatively few Republicans in Congress willing to stand against Trump and Greene publicly and you see that the divide is hidden by a combination of ambition and fear. Most Republican politicians are either trying to hold onto your vote by refusing to condemn Trump or are afraid of losing a primary if they don’t bow before Trump. You and your kind are the ones that made loyalty to Trump a litmus test for what it means to be a Republican. You can’t use the fact that most Republican politicians fall in line with that as a way to suggest that the few with the political courage (or that are on the way out the door) are just a minor thing.

            The Republican base loyal to Trump may be a large % of registered Republicans, but it is still well short of a majority of the national electorate. Republican politicians that don’t want the GOP to be the party of Trump are stuck between how to keep the GOP together internally with how to win general elections in swing districts and states in the future. That is a very real division.

          2. “I’ve emailed with Toomey multiple times on this issue. He literally admits Pennsylvania violated it’s own constitution and laws regarding the election, but then says he voted to certify the election because all the courts refused to hear the case. How can he be so two faced and ignorant as to admit the constitution was violated in our state, but refuse to do something about it unless he’s got a mental disorder or is compromised?”

            I’d be interested to see what Toomey actually said that you claim was an admission that PA laws and constitution were violated. (And does that prove that there was actual fraud, anyway? What does Toomey have to say about all of the Team Trump fraud allegations?) Disputes over whether election laws were followed correctly occur all the time, but the question then becomes what the remedy should be, even if the courts agree that procedures were violated. Courts are not going to throw out hundreds of thousands of ballots after the election without specific reason to think that the ballots were fraudulent.

        4. “That’s a great idea. Primary anyone that isn’t slavishly devoted to Trump out of the GOP so that the whackjobs like Greene become the face of the party even more than they already are.”

          Stuff your TDS up your ass so your head has some company. And please fuck off and die; your family will be proud.

        5. Hey, I understand it’s hard for your side to understand this, what with being complete fucking partisan hacks who slavishly follow what the party tells you and attack anyone who doesn’t follow the orthodoxy. But when normal people talk about these RINO’s needing to be primaried, it’s because they didn’t follow the constitution, and capitulated to your fellow Democrats.

          1. Didn’t follow the Constitution? Are you fucking kidding me? Trump was calling on Pence to unilaterally discard Electoral Votes, completely outside of any authority from the Constitution. With rioters chanting to hang Pence for such “treason”, no one on Trump’s side gets to talk about the Constitution.

  5. I wonder how many people will sue Trump over these issues.

    1. Interesting question. Anyone who does will likely be in a long line to sue Trump. There are several law suit that were waiting for his term to be over.

      1. Yeah and look how those previous lawsuits worked out.

        I love how the left is latching on for dear life to some civil suits.

        You lost. You know it.

        1. What previous lawsuits are you referring to? They’ve all been on hold while he was Presidenting.

      2. Do your tiny hands grasp straws that thin, TDS-addled shit?

      3. I think it’s clearer than ever that the democrat party has to be dismantled. It’s a communistic organization run by purveyors of domestic terror through their BLM and Antifa proxies.

        1. The irony here is that it’s the Republican Party that Trump has destroyed. The Democrats have Congress because of Trump.

          1. “The irony here is that it’s the Republican Party that Trump has destroyed…”

            Try telling us again about how the protesters killed the cop; always good for a laugh, TDS-addled shit.

            1. They did kill Sicknick. That is obvious to anyone who isn’t trying to excuse it away.

              1. Keep repeating that lie; it informs anyone reading it of the value of your posts, TDS-addled shit.

              2. Ahahaha you lied about them killing Sicknick for so long that you know you’ll get shit on forever if you admit you were lying like CNN did aahahaha

              3. I guess you didn’t get the memo from his autopsy the justice department fought the release of

                1. He has. About a dozen times. Yesterday he finally admitted he wasn’t beaten to death but somehow he knows he was still killed by protesters. When reality says the guy had a stroke.

                  1. But he had a stroke in the SAME MONTH as the protest at the Capitol!!!!!!
                    Do I have to connect the dots for you?

          2. “The democrats have congress because of trump”

            Seems really conclusive and all, until you realize Trump lost many states by only a few 10s of thousands of people. And the senate for the most part was a complete win for republicans with exception to Georgia where they leveraged every trick in the book to get the votes, and the GOP made the mistake of running candidates not in good standing with the Georgia populace.

            So razor thin, is how much the democrats hold congress and the presidency. They better not fuck up, or they'll have Trump back in - in 2024. It would be easy (not to mention extremely comical) for Biden to take a huge steamy whopping shit all over the economy and run the nation into the ground, only have trump swoop back in and turn all back around... again.

          3. The Democrats have Congress because of Trump. LMAO!
            So it was Trump that printed all those Biden ballots…… 🙂

            1. Oh my bad…. Congress not Presidency; but still hold the same assumption.

          4. A 50/50 election is destroyed? Gains with minority voters is destroyed? I know you leftists want this to be true. You say it every time you win. A whopping 4 years ago the Republicans were in the same position. Trump gained 10 million votes. It took massive unconstitutional changes to election laws, hundreds of millions in direct funding of high democratic population centers (which Ga is now seeking to ban), and questionable counting processes to barely tip the scales towards biden, who nobody actually likes.

            Keep living your leftist delusion.

      4. And you applauded death by fabricated lawsuit? For your enemies at least?

    2. Wouldn’t he have QI since he was president? I don’t know, just asking.

      1. Not for lawsuits having to do with business and criminal acts allegedly committed before he became President.

        1. Of which there we many, all uncovered by Muller: One parking ticket and a late library book.

          1. He knows a guy who knows a guy whom the FBI could use his kid to extort him into saying he did something wrong.

        2. He said sue Trump over “these issues”. The issues that are the subject of this article occurred while he was president.

        3. He'll be acquitted. That what Trump does.

        4. Do you find it weird that you hope people keep harassing and suing your political enemies? No?

          Yeah. You want a banana republic.

  6. “Whether the reality-show-star-turned-first-president-to-be-impeached-twice has a future in American politics, however, sadly remains an open question.”

    LOL

    Kamala Harris will win in 2024 and 2028. Or if Biden changes his mind and serves two terms, Harris will win in 2028 and 2032. Either way Democrats will have a lock on the White House for the next decade or two and Drumpf will be irrelevant.

    And now that we’re done with Drumpf, we can acknowledge one positive aspect of his Presidency: he accelerated the Democratic Party’s embrace of the Koch / Reason open borders agenda.

    #LibertariansForBiden

    1. Shoulda went with Biden winning again in 2024 and then Kamala for the next 8.

    2. Harris has about the same chance of winning a national election as Evan McMullin.

      Harris was obliterated in the Dem primaries. Even Dem voters don’t like her.

      1. My track record with predictions is excellent (blue wave in 2018, impeachment in 2019, Democratic victory in 2020) and I can guarantee Harris, if she gets the nomination, would beat any Republican.

        1. Did you only start making predictions after 2016?

    3. You messed up. Should have went with Biden dying after falling down a flight of stairs with Kamala Harris, coincidentally, right behind him. Followed by Harris winning in 2024, and elections no long held afterward. LOL

    4. open borders agenda —
      “Say; what’s that deserted island doing there?”
      “Oh, that use to be the USA until Pirate’s took it over but realizing they had to STEAL from someone; they all migrated into Canada and are now pitching ‘open borders’ there too.”

      Conquer and Consume.

    5. Then Kamalas niece in 2032

  7. Eric m’lad, you’re looking at those numbers incorrectly.

    50-0 for one party
    43-7 for the other

    Which one is more rigid and inflexible? Which one seems to have a diversity of opinion?

    1. There’s no opinion at all involved. No fact either. It’s all posturing.

    2. “Diversity of opinion.” More like an internal war of factions.

      1. If that’s true, one ‘faction’ is in trouble.

        1. Divide and conquer. Fuck you.

          1. Ahahaha all the progs are bitchy tonight this is fabulous ahahaha

            1. They are so upset about the acquittal and the fact that Trump is never going away... and:

              "It is a sad commentary on our times that one political party in America is given a free pass to denigrate the rule of law, defame law enforcement, cheer mobs, excuse rioters, and transform justice into a tool of political vengeance, and persecute, blacklist, cancel and suppress all people and viewpoints with whom or which they disagree. I always have, and always will, be a champion for the unwavering rule of law, the heroes of law enforcement, and the right of Americans to peacefully and honorably debate the issues of the day without malice and without hate.

              Our historic, patriotic and beautiful movement to Make America Great Again has only just begun."

              - Trump - after acquittal

          2. “Divide and conquer. Fuck you.”

            Which year of 6th grade did you learn division, TDS-addled lefty shit?

    3. “Which one is more rigid and inflexible? Which one seems to have a diversity of opinion?”

      Is it a good thing if Republicans more “diversity of opinion” on the origins of life on Earth? “Teach the controversy” and all of that?

      What do you think the vote would have been among a hypothetical non-partisan jury of 100? Hard as it may be to believe, not all informed and intelligent people are hardened Democrats or Republicans, so such a jury might be difficult to assemble, but not impossible. As someone that has voted for Presidential candidates of both parties, perhaps I can testify to my own existence, at least.

      1. “What do you think the vote would have been among a hypothetical non-partisan jury of 100?”

        Notice how TDS-addled lefty shits never quite deal with reality, but invent some hypothetical and claim to “know” that outcome?
        That’s because reality is too damn hard for their pathetic mental skills to grasp.
        Fuck off and die.

      2. “What do you think the vote would have been among a hypothetical non-partisan jury of 100?”

        None of this nonsense would be allowed in a non-partisan court, so that’s a pointless question, as is the rest of your post.

  8. LMFAO

    So if witnesses were called it would sink Trup.

    So the D majority decided not too?

    Hahahaha

    1. I know that's dumb! The democrats decided not to call witnesses, because the Trump defense was going to rain subpoena's all over the democrats. Maxine Water would have to explain why her statement is acceptable but Trump's is not:

      “If you see anybody from that Cabinet in a restaurant, in a department store, at a gasoline station, you get out and you create a crowd and you push back on them, and you tell them they’re not welcome anymore, anywhere.” - Maxine Waters

      Or how Schumer's statement is acceptable but Trump's is not:

      "I want to tell you, Gorsuch, I want to tell you, Kavanaugh, you have released the whirlwind, and you will pay the price. You won’t know what hit you if you go forward with these awful decisions" - Schumer.

      Schumer's statement brought a quick and extremely rare rebuke from Chief Justice John Roberts: "Justices know that criticism comes with the territory, but threatening statements of this sort from the highest levels of government are not only inappropriate, they are dangerous. All Members of the Court will continue to do their job, without fear or favor, from whatever quarter."

      Not to mention, there were rioters at the Kavanaugh hearing that breeched the building, yet somehow not called an "insurrection" by the democrat run mainstream media.

      Democrats didn't want to go there. So they immediately made an agreement not to bring out witnesses.

  9. “This time, Romney was joined by Sens. Richard Burr (R–N.C.), Bill Cassidy (R–La.), Susan Collins (R–Maine), Lisa Murkowski (R–Alaska), Ben Sasse (R–Neb.), and Pat Toomey (R–Pa.)”

    Looking into your crystal ball, in four years how many of these “principled” establishment grifters will have switched parties or lost their seats?

    1. And Bill Cassidy went from rabid anti impeachment to voting for it?

      He is being blackmailed. Caught chasing boys like the Lincoln Project guys perhaps.

    2. Sasse Romney Cassidy are losers

      Probably Murkowski

      Collins ??

      Toomey and Burr are retiring and will stay that way

    3. From a commenter at Ace’s…

      From a comment elsewhere (I haven’t checked it). Republican votes to convict:

      Burr – Not seeking re-election in 2022
      Cassidy – Safe for 6 years
      Toomey – Retiring in 2022
      Sasse – Safe for 6 long years
      Collins, Murkowski – Will die in place.
      Rombley – Wake the fuck up Utah

      1. Pom not sure if the RINO purge should occur before or after the democrats are put down in the escalation of the current civil war.

        1. If history is any guide, you’d wait until after consolidating power into one party rule before purging your one party of “undesirables.” Get rid of the “RINOs” that can win the swing states too soon, and you never get the power to eliminate your enemies.

    4. Collins and Murkowski are from mostly independent states, so they can likely get away with it.

      Romney has national stature and is well liked in Utah, so he’s in no danger.

      Sasse is a neocon and hopes the national neocons will fund him, but will now likely lose to a Trump Party challenger in the primaries.

      Toomey and Cassidy are toast. Not sure what they were thinking.

      Burr may have checked the weathervane and noticed NC is turning bluer every year.

    5. “grifters”

      The irony is so rich.

      1. The stupid is so thick.

      2. Lol, I remember how pompous you were when you first assumed this sock, now you’re nothing more than an angry little troll screaming in impotent rage.

        Now begone, Wormtongue. Your kind has no power here.

      3. Acquitted. Say it with me - slow - "Acquitted." Ahhhhhhhhhquiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiteeeddddddddddddd. Soak it in.

      4. You defended the Lincoln Project last year lol.

        1. Lincoln Project? What is "Lincoln" about it? I call it "The Pedo Project" - on account of it's fake republican (democrat) founders looking to shaft children.

    6. The grifters are the ones who demand tribal loyalty and acquire power and fame by monetizing fear.

      1. So the ones playing both sides against the middle for their own unprincipled benefit aren’t ALSO grfiters?

        Oh yeah…

        Seriously, you say some stupid ahit.

      2. So, all of them then.

      3. LOL That exactly describes the democrats. Good job Jeff. They voted 50-0 in the senate impeachment hearing. I wonder what would have happened if a single one of them would have voted to acquit! LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      4. The grifters are the ones who sing about the constitution during election season and then abandon it once in office. The grifters are the ones who ride into office on a tide set by a president who is more popular than them in the party and then subvert the will of their state’s voters. Grifting isn’t a matter of having bad qualities per se like Trump. Grifting is pretending to agree with him or pretending to support the constitution or enjoying borrowed political popularity and donation streams from him, and then immediately betraying all of those things once in office.

      5. So the democrats are grifters. Thanks for clarifying

      6. chemjeff radical individualist
        February.9.2021 at 8:56 am
        What is there to talk about?

        From a libertarian perspective, Ashli Babbett was trespassing, and the officers were totally justified to shoot trespassers. Again from a libertarian perspective, the officers would have been justified in shooting every single trespasser. That would not have been wise or prudent, of course.

        They were all trespassers trying to be where they weren’t supposed to be.

  10. Senate Democrats announced that they would not call witnesses after all, in an apparent attempt to bring the trial to a more speedy conclusion so the Senate can turn its attention to other matters having realized they had opened a horrible can of worms.

    1. It’s a hoot

      They would have been trashed if they brought witnesses

      They just wanted one witness not all of them

    2. HA HA HA HA HA!

      What a sad clown show Schumer is running!

      “Greatest deliberative body in the world.”

      HA HA HA HA HA!

    3. Hey, they coulda gotten Jeff and WK to swear the cop who died of a stoke was ‘killed by the protesters’!

    4. If anyone makes a documentary of the Democrats’ latest impeachment fiasco, they should call it Herrera Beutler’s Day Off.

      HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

    5. It did take all mainstream focus off of election integrity.

    6. That is funny. Driving a stake through the heart of their nemesis wasn’t important enough to work a couple more days on it before returning to fucking up everything else?

      That’s just silly. Why not do both?

  11. And it was free.

    1. And worth every penny that every “journalist” paid to watch it.

      I’m sure the House Democrats will push for yet another sequel soon enough, though, abysmal TV ratings notwithstanding.

      “This time, See Adam Schiff’s Googly Eyes in Stunning 3-D!

      It’s like they’re right there in your own living room with you!

  12. As Reason’s Jacob Sullum wrote earlier this week, Trump’s refusal to call in the National Guard, his tweets and video message to the rioters on that day, and his refusal to unambiguously condemn what happened should have been enough to impeach and bar him from office even if he had no role in inciting the event.”
    Inciting the event is what he was impeached for, you dumbasses. Why doesn’t Reason just change their name to “Politico 2- Electric Bugaloo” and be done with it?

    1. Huh, started with a blockquote and ended with quotation marks. Nice

    2. Because National Review is Politico 2.
      Reason can be Politico 5.

      1. Heh!

        True that.

      2. Teen Politico.

    3. I have read that calling out the National Guard was not an option because the Capitol Building is the legislative home; that is why they have their own police, so as to not be part of the Executive branch.

      1. I'm surprised they didn't impeach him also - for calling out the national guard!

    4. Except the article of impeachment only included incitement, not the lesser charges like dereliction of duty that would apply by not calling in the Guard. The Democrats chose to overcharge Trump, out of incompetence or that they never intended for there to be a conviction.

      1. The Dems knew conviction was dead in the water. They wanted to put the Repub senators on the record for or against Trump.

        If they voted for Trump, their Dem opponents can now say they were for racist, violent, deadly insurrection.

        If they voted against Trump, they will probably lose to Patriot Party nutjobs in the primaries, who they think will be easy to defeat. I see a half dozen more Q-Anon believers in the Senate in a few years.

        1. Is Q-Anon actually even a thing outside the pages of the WaPo or Atlantic?
          I’ve always assumed it was a fairy tale the clerisy uses to frighten the gentry.

          1. It’s actually a twelve step program for those who compulsively use Q-tips to pack down earwax so tightly in the ear canal that they can no longer hear the Truth.

            I learned this fact from some guy on the internet claiming to be a wizard and calls himself Cerumen the Brown.

          2. I’ve hung around the Trump base enough to know Q is a vocal minority. It’s just, given they are so vocal and their uniform (Q shit everywhere) is easy to spot, the media latched onto it. Same with proud boys. Black and yellow polos? Easy to spot? Must be Trump’s entire base.

    5. Of course, when he did call in Federal Marshals to end the insurrection in Seattle, the Democrats and Reason called him a Nazi.

      1. That’s different because reasons.

        Just like when Harris “joked” that she might kill Trump, Pence and Sessions on the Ellen Show. Totally not insurrection and it got a big laugh.

        https://mobile.twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1359599423635021829

        1. I think that is what has Sullum and the rest so pissed off. All the torched credibility and blatant display of double standards yet they have zilch to show for it.

          Actually less than ziltch. They now have four years of Biden/Harris hanging around their necks.

          Losers.

          1. All because Tornado Trump dropped a house on Hilary.

          2. Reason staff hate Trump so much, they would prefer socialism, authoritarian identity politics, rights crushing political correctness, and would gladly catalog these topics under the new definition of "libertarianism" just to get away from him.

            1. Not exactly. It’s like what so many have said. It’s not Trump they are truly after, Trump was just in the way.

              It’s those 70+ million that they despise.

    6. Didn’t Reason bitch about Natl Guard usage in DC last year?

  13. Whether the reality-show-star-turned-first-president-to-be-impeached-twice has a future in American politics, however, sadly remains an open question

    , a question that happily can be answered by the American electorate.

    1. Or the Grim Reaper. The man is in his seventies.

      1. in 4 years, Trump will be as old as Biden is now.

        1. What about his internal organs? A diet of nothing but fast food and doctors hand-selected to be lying quacks is not a good combination.

    2. fortunately enough Senators voted to defend democracy, to give the people a choice in 2024.

      1. There was no choice in 2020, why would there be in 2024?

        1. The solution is the instantaneous second that republicans have the house and senate, we start impeaching democrat would be candidates to disbar them from running from office, under the precedent just set by democrats. Whichever is the most popular democrat - impeach. Then start impeaching old democrats that were popular. Impeach them too!

          1. Actually the Constitution forbids certain criminals from running for office; and there’s probably a good case for a lot of them to be made.

            Republicans really aren’t very aggressive (not witch-hunters); usually a ‘gift’ but sometimes a curse in the end.

      2. But the whole time Trump was wielding power without winning a single majority-vote contest among the actual people, weren’t you explaining that we aren’t a democracy?

        1. Why we aren’t a democracy.
          We elect people to various political positions; we don’t elect ‘rulers’.

          You’re so hung up on [WE] majority rulers; its ridiculous.

    3. Hence the need to Fortify Democracy even more.

  14. So can all the Osama Obama yo momma the llama mofo mofo mufaletta mommas get on with their lives now and let the normal people do the same as well?

    1. Nah. Impeachment III, TDS Strikes Back, is coming up.

    2. Nope; National dictation (Biden’s favorite subject) doesn’t allow that and frankly that’s ALL Trump supporters are asking for — LEAVE US ALONE!

      1. All that Trump supporters are looking for is a 1-party “R” state!

        https://reason.com/2021/01/18/carjacker-beaverton-mom-kid-waiting/#comment-8710844
        Model TJJ2000 Dictatorbot believes that the USA already is (and should be) a 1-party dictatorshit! That the USA HAS BEEN a 1-party dictatorshit for some 200 years!!! There is NO point in trying to persuade the Model TJJ2000 Dictatorbot of ANYTHING! Almost ALL of the circuits of the Model TJJ2000 Dictatorbot have gone kaput, big-time!

        Model TJJ2000 Dictatorbot is lusting after an UPGRADE to its rusting old body! Wants to be upgraded to Model TJJ20666 Dictatorbot, and run for POTUS in 2024, with Alex Jones as the VEEP of Model TJJ20666 Dictatorbot!!! Be ye WARNED!!! Model TJJ20666 Dictatorbot will be well-nigh INDESTRUCTIBLE! (Unreachable by ANY logic or considerations for the freedoms of others, MOST certainly!)

        PLEASE do NOT enable the lusting of the rusting TJJ20000 Dictatorbot!!!

        1. You literally defend sham impeachment and criminal prosecutions of those you see as your political enemies dummy.

          1. You literally defend (in your fascist echo chambers) those who live in a fantasy land, where the USA is, and has been for many decades, a 1-party state! But what can one expect from Der JesseBahnFuhrer, who says that mere words cannot be crimes? Have you checked out your theory yet, JesseBahnFuhrer, by threatening to bomb Nancy Pelosi’s house, or shoot a federal judge? Or are you posting from jail, jailbird trumpanzee gone apeshit-wild?

          2. See https://reason.com/2020/01/01/trumps-inartful-dodges/#comment-8068520 , where
            Der JesseBahnFuhrer says, of Trump, “He is not constitutionally bound on any actions he performed.”
            Hey JesseBahnFuhrer! Is this statement of yours, above, now applicable to Biden? Or is only Dear Leader Der TrumpfenFuhrer qualified to be our dictator? If so, why?

          3. Actual FACTS are TOTALLY optional, to right-wing nut-jobs, in right-wing echo chambers, aren’t they, dictatorshit-luster? Whatever the collective hive-herd of fascist sheeple says it true, automatically becomes true? If the BIG LIES are told often enough, they become true, right?

            Has this idea ever been tried before? What were the results? Can you make up some “historical facts” for us now, to make YOU look good?

            1. 4 for 1: Flag, refresh

        2. Ok anti-Semite.

  15. Thank god the adults are back in charge of destroying jobs and selling out to China.

    1. I’m looking forward to the next war.
      Apparently Australia’s been mean to Google and might need some liberating.

      1. Destroying the economy within normal parameters.

    2. MAKE CHINA GREAT AGAIN.

      MCGA

      plus - we need new newspapers/news outlets/websites:

      "Socialism today"
      "Socialism times"
      "Socialism post"

      Maybe reason could rename themselves to become one of these outlets themselves?

    3. …. Will it be the Great Depression, the Great Recession or something else this time?

  16. The entire charade was hypocrisy.

  17. “Whether the reality-show-star-turned-first-president-to-be-impeached-twice has a future in American politics, however, sadly remains an open question.”

    Nothings says “elitism” quite like bemoaning the American people’s freedom to choose their own president.

    Fuck you.

    1. yeah, I don’t see how trying to ban the leading opposition candidate from running for election is “defending democracy”.

      1. When you can’t trust the American people to make the right decision, well that’s when you have to make their decisions for them!

        . . . and that’s what libertarianism is all about?!

        They’re charlatans.

      2. The Russians made ’em do it.

        If you can’t beat ’em, join ’em.

        1. Biden will get on that too!

          MAKE RUSSIA GREAT AGAIN

          MRGA

      3. Some dude on CNN said the danger in Trump running again is that when he loses again the riots start up again. So, dude knows what’s needed to “defend democracy”.

        1. Lefty propaganda 2020 = Peacefully Protesting Left and Insurrection-al Domestic Terrorist Riots of the Right…..

        2. Besides the 6th, were there any violent pro-Trump protests after the election?

        3. I would think that the more likely scenario for riots again would be if he won again.

          1. All in the name of the [WE] Power to-Steal & Dictate others on a National level.

      4. It works in China, Russia and Venezuela. Sad that the leftitarians of reason defend this practice.

  18. While not enough for conviction it is not insignificant that seven Republicans were willing to vote against Trump in an open vote. Ever wonder what the number would be in a secret vote?

    I think 2022 will be a time of reckoning for the Republican party. Trump cost the Party the house in 2018, the Presidency and the Senate in 2020. They could see more loses in 2022 if they lean to Trump for support.

    1. Ever think there is anything significant about not a single Democrat defecting?

      Ever wonder how many would have defected with a secret ballot?

      No, of course not. Your partisanship is showing.

      1. Might have something to do with their having been attacked at their workplace just a month ago by a bunch of Republican rioters, don’tcha think.

        1. “Might have something to do with their having been attacked at their workplace just a month ago by a bunch of Republican rioters, don’tcha think.”

          You keep misspelling “protesters”, TDS-addled shit.

        2. Hundreds of people were attacked at their workplace by the BLM riots that democrats as yourself defended as a coming justice. Weird you only care when politicians are the victims.

      2. “Ever wonder how many would have defected with a secret ballot?”

        Probably zero. Sometimes partisan politics lines up with what they really want. Republicans on the other hand . . .

        How did that effort to toss Liz Cheney from leadership with a secret ballot go in retaliation for voting to Impeach Trump?

        1. “Sometimes partisan politics lines up with TDS-addlement’

          Fixed, TDS-addled lefty shit.

    2. You’re fucking delusional. But yeah keep up the shitposting it’s fun beating you down.

      1. He doesn’t seem beaten down.

        1. He’s too stupid to realize it. And, like you, too stupid to be embarrassed by your idiotic claims.

    3. I wonder what the 2020 election results would be if the media hadn’t acted like the PR/Pravda wing of the democrat party and shoved propaganda at the American people for 4 years.

      1. About the same. The biggest factor in Trump’s loss was Trump’s inability to rein in his own offensive personality.

        1. Credible.

        2. The false accusations didn’t help, as well as the cover up for the Biden’s.

          1. You know what really helped the Biden cover up — Rudy Giuliani inserting himself, and all his credibility, into the middle of the story, Hunter’s former business partner showing up as Trump’s guest at the debates. Really lent an air of credibility to the story.

            I’ve listened to both sides of the story and think there may be something to it. You’ve paid attention to one side and know in your Democrat-hating heart it just HAS to be true, true, true.

            You political belief system and identity depends on it being true. I’ve got no dog in the hunt.

            1. “I’ve listened to both sides of the story …”

              Sure, lefty faggot. Your reckoning is well underway.

              1. “You’ve paid attention to one side ” he says as he decides the issue based on Rudy’s involvement lololl

              2. He listened so much he still says a cop was beaten to death by a fire extinguisher.

            2. “Rudy Giuliani inserting himself, and all his credibility,”

              Lol you fucking gimp “Biden is innocent because Rudy is a retard” is exactly the kind of moron shit you’d rhink makes sense.

            3. You think Giuliani was a bigger factor than Twitter and FB banning a story and the rest of the media ignoring it? Lol. God damn you really are a pure lefty shit.

              1. And by the way, I can say this because post election polling shows 5% of Biden voters would not have voted for him if they knew about Hunter and other issues such as his accusation of sexual assault.

    4. You should also look at more than the Trump election totals. Dems lost seat in the House and were projected to win half a dozen more seats in the Senate. Seems the country hates Democrats more than they hate Trump.

      The increased taxes, the rising price of fuel and heating energy, the increased intrusion into daily life, the identity politics and political correctness, the increased war on guns — these things won’t be popular. Biden and the Dems have roughly one year before the midterm campaign starts and shows them how unpopular their agenda is. Midterm elections are almost always bad news for the President’s party, and 2022 is going to be a stinker for Democrats.

      1. And look at the ballot initiatives in California in 2020:

        https://ballotpedia.org/California_2020_ballot_propositions

        Californians voted against raising taxes on commercial property.
        Californians voted against affirmative action.
        Californians voted against sentencing reform.
        Californians voted against rent control.
        Californians voted against getting rid of cash bail.

        If those initiatives had been on the ballot in Wyoming, they’d have gone the same way.

        You don’t even need to look at the national polls. Progressives don’t even have a mandate in California. Progressives have about 60-70 more days to do their worst, and then reality will start setting in.

      2. They’ve already lost union votes after closing Keystone. Apparently the pipe fitters union paid as much attention to what Biden said he was going to do as Reason writers did.

        1. You may not believe this, but it turns out that Biden and the Democrats are planning to bail out the states!

          https://reason.com/2021/02/12/state-local-governments-are-posting-surprisingly-sunny-revenue-projections-democrats-want-to-give-them-350-billion-anyway/

          How often did we talk about this in comments in the three months before the election? It was every day, wasn’t it?

          The difference between smart and stupid is the ability to avoid foreseeable mistakes before they happen. Even if they didn’t want Trump to win, they could have tried to force Biden to promise not to bail out California and New York before the election. They could have tried to make representatives in swing states promise not to vote to bail out the states. But noooooOOOOooooo. They had to ignore what Biden was doing, and they refused to admit that the reason Trump wouldn’t sign off on a compromise stimulus deal before the election was because he refused to bail out the states!

        2. Someone’s laying pipe, all right, but it damn sure ain’t the pipe fitters. And it ain’t that kind of pipe.

          It’s an act of Love.

          Good ‘ol Working Class Joe prefers to call it Unity.

      3. You don’t have to worry about the price of fuel, since everything will be electric shortly. Of course, whether there’s electricity to run everything is another question.

        1. …And in other news; Californias most expensive electricity in the continental USA experiences black-outs and shortages.

          1. And apparently causes wildfires.

        2. Liberals don’t believe on factual science, but race based science. Electricity is magically there.

      4. In California the Dems running the state are already nagging us to use less electricity between 4 and 9 PM, since Green Energy is less available then.

        1. Those are wonderful newspeak ads, besides: they claim CA has “abundant” solar and wind energy, so please turn down your all-electric house (no more nat-gas).

          1. And their ‘abundant’ energy only costs 3 to 6 Times more than all their neighboring states.

          2. Keep California Golden.

    5. Are we talking about, more or less, the same Republicans who always vote against Trump?

      Let me guess–was it Susan Collins, Mitt Romney, and Murkowski from Alaska?

      There isn’t anything surprising about that bunch voting against Trump one more time. If they ever voted for something Trump wanted, it was in spite of him wanting it.

      1. This time, Romney was joined by Sens. Richard Burr (R–N.C.), Bill Cassidy (R–La.), Susan Collins (R–Maine), Lisa Murkowski (R–Alaska), Ben Sasse (R–Neb.), and Pat Toomey (R–Pa.)

        Color me unsurprised.

        1. How can 2 senators vote it’s unconstitutional and yet vote to convict?

          1. Because OrangeManBad Trumps the Constitution.

            Or Fuck you, that’s why.

            Which ever you prefer. Variations on a common theme.

    6. “I think…”

      Perjury.

      1. O man I’m stealing that! Grand theft oughta.

    7. What a poor analysis.

    8. “They could see more loses in 2022 if they lean to Trump for support.”

      Only if they fiddle with the election again. In a real election an incumbent doesn’t increase his vote count by seven million over the last time, only to lose in one of the phoniest pantomimes since North Korea’s last election.
      Trump didn’t have a group of “fortifiers” helping to “increase” his vote total like old Joe. Those votes were genuine.

      Probably also why you guys have troops in the capitol, a purge in the military and are blocking millions from social media. You know your actual popularity and you’re terrified.

      1. And the vote mining the Democrats did is much harder to pull off across all purple districts than in a few urban blue strongholds. Baring an unforeseen, extremely popular new agenda it would be both surprising and unprecedented for the midterms to swing heavily (D). If it does, then we probably have hit the end of any real elections.

    9. The party in the WH always looses seats in the House midterms, and the GOP lost much less than predicted. And Trump didn’t lose the WH, the dems cheated by illegally changing rules and laws about mail in ballots. I will concede that if Trump had conceded earlier it is possible the GOP would have retained the Senate.

      1. Democrats absolutely used election fraud, voter fraud, and unconstitutional changes to election laws to steal and election.

        They did the same thing for the two georgia senate seats.

        Senator perdue beat jon ossoff by 80,000 votes in the general election then loses by 50k votes on the runoff? Yeah sure.

        Warnock is being indicted for election fraud. America is in the middle of civil war 2.0 that democrats started and the 2020 election was just the tipping point.

        1. or superior ballot harvesting skills, abetted by the election law changes, ballots mailed to everyone, lax signature checking and postmark checking standards, and oops, what envelopes?

        2. 467,273 fewer votes total were cast in the runoff than in the November general election. (4,484,902 vs. 4,952,175 – that is actually amazing that turnout was so high for a runoff.) Both candidates got fewer votes than in the general. Perdue just had a bigger drop. You don’t think that Trump constantly telling Georgia Republican voters that their state had been rigged against them had anything to do with that, do you? Nah, that’d be too logical. It was FRAUD!

    10. Trump cost the Party the house in 2018, the Presidency and the Senate in 2020. They could see more loses in 2022 if they lean to Trump for support.

      This is a commonality amongst most presidential candidates. When Obama was president, he also lost the house and then senate.

      No. I think this is a unique opportunity for Americans to compare Trump vs Biden presidency's. If Biden runs this country into the ground with socialism, job killing policy, authoritarian identity politics, extreme cancel culture political correctness. American's might be begging for Trump to return. Maybe even as the president of a new union, separate from the old.

    11. Concern trolling of the left seems to be back. Please remove moderate from your name.

  19. So everyone who wasn’t deep in TDS knew that this was going to be the outcome from the get go. How much time and money, when Congress had more important stuff to do, was wasted on this farce?

    1. They are genuinely surprised every time they find out that not everyone buys into their preferred “reality”.

      Trump was always going to be convicted, and if you don’t believe that, you’re either insane, misinformed or dishonest.

    2. “Boys, we’ve wasted enough time trying to unseat a president who has already been overthrown…er… voted out of office, now we’ve got to get back to fucking over the electorate. Our constituents demand it!”

      1. As Obama said, “the election wasn’t close, and Joe Biden was inaugurated as President”.

          1. Don’t insult the fags. They have feelings, you know.

          2. Obama was the worst thing to happen to this country in my lifetime. Trump is the "response" to Obama's presidency. Obama had the unique opportunity of being the first black president to unite the country like never before. Instead, he took a giant whopping shit all over it. Ben Carson or Hermann Cain --> infinitely better people.

        1. note that he didn’t say Biden won

          1. Words have meaning. Subtle but true.

    3. Whoa, if this was a farce, we could use a lot more of them.

      It would be fantastic if Congress spent all its time holding impeachment hearings instead of passing terrible laws.

      1. Executive Orders, however, will continue unabated.

        1. Yep. Reason still complaining about Trump, while King Biden issues edict after edict after edict.

    4. I’d put it somewhere between ten and twenty million bucks. At least it kept the congress from doing any damage for a while.

      -jcr

    5. No waste at all; No-one is talking about election fraud anymore….. Goal accomplished!

  20. Once and again the far left and liberaltarian shitheads lost.

    2022 we take Congress back, 2024 the white house.

    Then we go to work ending degenerate liberalism once and for all.

    1. ending degenerate liberalism once and for all.

      What would that look like, from your point of view?

      1. No more Marxism, and no more of your open borders bullshit.

        1. No more Marxism,

          So, privatizing Social Security? I could get behind that.

          and no more of your open borders bullshit.

          So-called “open borders” is not “degenerate liberalism”, it is libertarian.

          1. The open borders movement is decidedly global progressive, and you are not a libertarian. Social security s not a good program, so yes, I would get rid of it.

            1. A lot of different people support “open borders” for a lot of different reasons.

              Some right-wingers support it because they want cheap labor.
              Some left-wingers support it because they want taxpayer-funded welfare for the entire world.
              But libertarians ought to support it not for those reasons, but for their own: that protecting freedom of association means protecting your right to associate with whomever you wish, even if that person is on the opposite side of an imaginary line, and the state should not erect arbitrary burdensome barriers to stop you from expressing that freedom of association.

              1. And you support it because you’re a Marxist who lies about being a Marxist.

              2. that protecting freedom of association means protecting your right to associate with whomever you wish, even if that person is on the opposite side of an imaginary line, and the state should not erect arbitrary burdensome barriers to stop you from expressing that freedom of association.

                Yeah - that's not going to work. Because my people are going to move into your region that you claim is "open" and then start voting in your elections. And the instantaneous second we are the majority, your culture will be gone. We will vote to close the borders. We will vote to strip you of your liberty. We will most certainly vote to end your freedom of association.

                Still excited about open borders? If you think any part of "libertarianism" needs to be preserved, then you should be vetting those that you seek to bring into the country, and most certainly allow their numbers to assimilate to your libertarian culture. Otherwise they might vote for socialism/communism or fascism. You see - they will use your culture of freedom against itself, to destroy it, and remake it to their liking. And they will cheeringly do so while exclaiming and chanting "democracy."

              3. Libertarians should not support it for the same reason they wouldn’t support just anyone coming to live in their house.
                While nobody ‘owns’ the country per se, it was built and paid for by individuals and passed on down to the current society for their use.
                Free association means I can come over to your house, not that I can move in against your will.

      2. It can never be ended once and for all, because we don't know the future. But for the now - to me it looks like separation. Like "Brexit" - except half of this nation exits and forms their own union where we can have our freedom and other union can have theirs.

    2. you know who else wanted to end degenerate liberalism?

  21. Trump was brave and smart. But he realized his followers were lazy cowards who wouldn’t fight for him. That’s why he had to resort to inciting insurrection. He knew there were some dumb patsies he could convince to storm the capitol and somehow restore him to office by force. It was a desperate move.

    The people who stormed the capitol never fought for Trump online, or they fought for him and got their asses handed to them repeatedly (as will now be demonstrated) so they thought force was the only option. But most of them have recanted and are ashamed of their behavior, as will be made obvious at the trials (and Trump will be thoroughly scapegoated). They realize that the war today isn’t in the street or the capitol buildings, but online – right here on social media and in the comment sections. But you will have to wander outside your safe space here at Reason. And we must of course direct people back here, but we must be a big tent and not a cult of Trump dead-enders.

    1. A swing and a Myth!

      1. Gosh if only you had fought for Trump before the election with this persistence, he would have stood a chance. But you didn’t and it’s too late now. There was no fraud, and no justification for violence.

        1. Another thwing and another Myth!

          That’s okay, though. The umpire called it a double. Take your base, Patriot.

          1. It’s funny how he doesn’t think he’s obvious. He’s positive everyone has fallen for his astroturfing.

            1. None of you even admit to supporting Trump, yet you still insist he must have won and deny it. That’s fine, but obviously he lost fair and square. You will have to learn how to fight the socialists on enemy terrain, otherwise you’ll keep losing and making pathetic excuses and fighting your allies.

              1. You are ugly, and your mommy dresses you funny.

                1. Perfect response.

          2. You will have to make a choice between libertarianism and the cult of Trump.

        2. Trump never incited anyone to take over the capital. The timeline doesn’t add up. If he did, it wouldn’t be a few dozen people who went there. It would have been thousands, at a minimum.

          1. It’s actually surprising how few impressionable dummies there are out there. Then again they have to have the means to travel across the country on a few days’ notice, so maybe not.

            Regardless, most of them will throw Trump under the bus and even you can’t save him.

            1. Well, the antifa goon(s) that led the people through the doors certainly made their way there, so is Trump inciting Antifa to riot as well?

    2. But you will have to wander outside your safe space here at Reason. And we must of course direct people back here, but we must be a big tent and not a cult of Trump dead-enders.

      LOL. Reason should put this at main index just under "Reason, Free minds, free markets."

  22. I’d still vote for him vs. a Democrat (unless the Dems somehow resurrect first-term Cleveland), but I’m not sure I’d vote for him in a primary. The competition would have to be *really* bad.

    1. The only way I’ll ever vote in another federal “election” would be to cast a vote for Orange Hitler as a fuck you! to the Establishment, purely for my own amusement. And the chances of the Ruling Class allowing that is slim to none.

      Otherwise, as the entirety of the year 2020 revealed for anyone with eyes to see, voting is a sop for the rubes who think they have any meaningful say in how the Empire is actually governed. It’s a waste of time and energy that could be far better spent on almost anything else.

      1. If you’re saying Trump lost because his supporters lost faith in voting then yes, I agree that was part of it.

        1. Yet another thwing and a Myth!

          But the ump called it a homer with the bases loaded!

          (The SC declines to review the interstate implications, because no state has standing to sue. You win! Catch 22 to nothing!)

          1. Gosh too bad you didn’t fight for Trump with this persistence before the election. He lost fair and square and you have only yourself to blame.

            1. Having voted for Jo, your guy losing is your problem.

            2. Addiction is talking like they are not part of this society. LOL.

              Addiction: You should have fought harder for Trump. Nevermind who I am, and who I voted for. I'm not part of this. This is about you, US society and culture. Not me.

    2. Sasse level bad?

      Romney?

      Hawley?

    3. The GOP got Trump because the competition was so bad. Nominating McCain and Romney, two RINOs that are/were clearly democrats, has pushed the GOP base to pick an outsider. It’s nice to see one base of voters that is willing to try something different when they get continually lied to.

      Sadly, many Dem voters hate this uber-progessive bullshit. But they still vote for the same idiots anyway. It’s funny that Progtards think they’re so much smarter than everybody, but they’re a broken record.

      1. Don’t forget Hillary bragged about boosting Trump cuz she thought he could never win the general.

      2. They’re drones and followers. Weak bags of shit.

      3. You forgot Rand Paul was in the Primaries

        1. … Actually; I’d forgotten he was also *kicked* off of media platforms.

    4. There’s going to be a lot of behind the scenes maneuvering over the next three years to try to keep Trump and his base in the GOP while making sure he doesn’t actually run again.

  23. So how many people did the capitol rioters end up killing exactly?

    1. None, but the cops killed that woman. And several dozen cops suffered sprained ankles and such.

      1. And, apparently, a couple of cops committed suicide after the event was over.

        1. I’m sure Jeff and WK will claim the protesters are guilty of murder!
          Don’t the cops get some sort of mental stability exams?

          1. We don’t have enough information at this point to know if anyone is guilty of murder.

            1. Keep peddling that line of horseshit, TDS-addled shit,

              1. Well, it’s true.

                1. TDS-addled lefty shit claims that 5 weeks (!) after the event, we (HE) still doesn’t have enough information to know if anyone is guilty of murder.
                  Hint: Not even the Chi-Town cops are *that* incompetent; you’re a fucking liar.

                  1. I’m sorry, was the murder investigation concluded already? Did I miss the murder trial? Hmm, no.

                    1. Ahahah oh my god you’re strangling those straws lolol

                      There was no murder. Yes we know that.

                    2. “I’m sorry, was the murder investigation concluded already?”

                      While you’re definitely “sorry”, there is no murder investigation; nothing to investigate, TDS-addled lefty shit.

            2. You have a video, from less than 8 feet away, of the Capitol police lieutenant shooting Ashli Babbitt.

              https://twitter.com/i/status/1347083014665359362

              Plenty of information can be gleaned from that video:
              1. There were 4 to 6 tactical-uniformed police 4 to 9 feet behind her on the steps; they had just stepped away from standing in front of the doors to the Speaker’s Lobby
              2. None of them thought she was enough of a threat to be shot
              3. There were 3 to 5 plain clothes police down the hall in the Speaker’s lobby
              4. None of them thought she was enough a threat to be shot
              5. There was one plain clothes police in the doorway to the left of the entrance to the Speaker’s Lobby
              6. He was the only one who thought she was enough of a threat to be shot
              7. She had no weapons and had nothing that could be construed as a weapon
              8. It’s obvious that the shooting police officer’s plan was to shoot the first person who “broke the plane of the goal line”, the goal line being the doors to the Speaker’s Lobby.

              The above more than meets the minimum for 2nd degree murder.

      2. What an asshole you are. Sicknick is dead. Two cops committee suicide. Another is expected to lose an eye.

        1. And you spent weeks lying about it for cheap political purposes.

          1. Cheap political purposes? I don’t have any political goal here. I’m standing up for human decency against some truly horrid commenters who frequent this website.

            1. Yes you do, you malevolent fascist. You’re here to shill for the DNC. You’re not actually fooling anyone.
              You’re actively advocating authoritarianism and spreading lies and propaganda and yet you have the gall to pretend you’re not the truly horrid commenter here?
              Go fuck yourself, Julius Streicher.

              1. “You’re here to shill for the DNC.”

                You are not even an American. You do not truly know what it is like to live in a country with a Red vs. Blue Team culture and partisan war, and wanting no part of either team. You think you do, but you haven’t experience it. Fuck off.

                1. And you’re a proven liar and progeressive. Fuck YOU.

                2. “You are not even an American.”

                  TDS-addled shit:
                  “Look over THERE!!”
                  Fuck off and die.

            2. Cheap political purposes? I don’t have any political goal here. I’m standing up for human decency against some truly horrid commenters who frequent this website.

              LOL!

              https://tenor.com/view/miketyson-happy-gif-4730122

            3. “Cheap political purposes? ”

              The truth bothers you I see.

        2. The even bigger asshole is the guy who lies about their deaths as being attributable to the Jan 6 protest, in order to justify the current authoritarian power grab.

    2. Looks like one, outright.

      A couple more indirectly when they committed suicide shortly after.

      1. You should follow their lead. Best thing for you really, your comments are going nowhere.

      2. “Looks like one, outright”

        ahahah omfg he’s STILL lying about it ahahahah

      3. “Looks like one, outright.
        A couple more indirectly when they committed suicide shortly after.”

        So, none.

  24. The Democrats chose incitement as the only charge. The standards for that one are a high hurdle to convict on. They could have chosen some lesser charges to impeach on, but they were either incompetent or never trul6 wanted to achieve a conviction. In this way, Trump may be motivated to ron in 2024, just to spite the political establishments of both parties, which the D3ms may expect to tear apart the GOP despite the disaster the Biden administration is shaping up to be.

  25. WaPo threatened violence (linked in Peter Meijer thread) if Trump is acquitted.

    Why hasn’t the WaPo account been banned?

    Imagine Fox News warning that blood would be running in the streets if the Biden dossier wasn’t fully investigated.

  26. 7/50 = 14%

    How is that a stark divide?

    One of those Senators is retiring, so he doesn’t care about being voted out of office. Sasse is a weasel who begged for Trump’s support to win his primary, then went back to his weasel-y self once he was “safe”. And Murkowski is up for reelection next year.

    1. 2 senators are retiring 5 are not up for reelection for 6 years.

      1. 2 retiring. Murk in 2022. Mitt in 24, the rest in 26.

  27. WHY ARE YOU STILL CALLING A SIT-IN A RIOT?!!

    1. Funny right. BLM riots were called mostly peaceful protests by the MSM and Reason all year. But suddenly, breaking a few windows and taking selfies within the Capital building is a riot.

      Of course, Reason also called the Kavannaugh rape accuser “credible”. And they memory-holed the Hunter Biden laptop story. Really, Reason isn’t much different than Libtards in the MSM. Sad.

      1. So trying to disrupt the peaceful transition of power is nothing more than “just talking selfies”. Got it.

        1. You don’t understand. What they did doesn’t matter. What matters is all the stuff other people did that didn’t receive the same amount of outrage. That’s what matters.

          1. One of the saddest commentaries about the Modern American Right is their complete abandonment of any sense of moral certitude. It’s now all relative – whatever Team Blue does, they feel entitled to do the same thing.

            Team Blue was always more disposed towards moral relativism, and it used to be a point of pride on Team Red that they stood for “right and wrong”. Now we see that was just a pose too. They were just being against whatever Team Blue was.

            “An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind”. Hopefully someone wakes up and realizes the truth behind this statement.

            1. Team Blue was always more disposed towards moral relativism, and it used to be a point of pride on Team Red that they stood for “right and wrong”.

              They don’t even pretend anymore.

              1. After you’re done giving each other handies, grab another bottle sarc and tell us all about how the evil protesters killed a cop.

                1. Maybe you don’t have to be such an asshole all the time.

                  1. We really do. You and Sarc have made it that way.

                  2. If you stop shilling for the advent of CCP-style authoritarianism and lying your ass off in every post, we’d probably cut you a break.

                    1. No one here is advocating for CCP-style authoritarianism.

                    2. And you’re a liar.

                    3. “No one here is advocating for CCP-style authoritarianism”

                      “By their very presence… they disrupted the peaceful transition of power”

                      Lol, oh wow.

            2. People can condemn what happened without calling it a riot or insurrection.

          2. Only to people who believe in equal treatment.

        2. There’ve been sit-ins before at the US and state capitols. They weren’t described in these terms, and politicians tied to them weren’t considered insurrectionists. Disrupting peaceful proceedings (that do violence on the government’s subjects) is a grand American tradition.

          1. It wasn’t a mere sit-in. And they were trying to disrupt the peaceful transition of power. Literally attempting mob rule vs. the will of the voters in an organized democratic process. This is not like heckling at the State of the Union speech.

            1. The pants wetting from the left is embarassing. These are people who one minute are mouth breathing imbeciles and the next taking over a country. Such intellectual dishonesty might pass in whatever liberal echo chamber you frequent, but for anyone paying any attention, you look a fool.

              Now do Chuck Schumer threatening Judges to make ‘the right decision’ and how that undermines the justice system.

              1. Huh. So individuals do not obey the stereotypes assigned to them. That’s a shocker.

                So Trump voters aren’t actually mouth-breathing imbeciles after all. Well duh.

                What they did was more than just “take selfies” and it is offensive to try to minimize what they did to such a degree.

                1. So what else did they do?

                  Tell me again all about the styrofoam gallows, the guy hanging Gadsden flags with a handful of uber dangerous zip ties and how they beat officer Sicknick to death with a fire extinguisher.
                  Did I miss anything?

                  I also saw “insurrectionists” invading the capitol lobby slowly inside the velvet ropes while officers yawned and scratched their asses. Was that the more than just taking selfies. That guy who sat in Pelosi’s chair looked super dangerous as he smiled and posed.

                  1. So what else did they do?

                    By their very presence and their violent actions, they disrupted the peaceful transition of power.

                    I get it, you hate the media and so when the media gets all upset about what the rioters did, your knee-jerk reaction is to assume they’re lying and try to contradict what they said. So because they are outraged by the riots, you in reactionary form are going to try to minimize the riots.

                    But it could be, that the riots were actually kind of a big deal, you know.

                    1. “By their very presence… they disrupted the peaceful transition of power”

                      That’s probably the most fascist thing that you’ve said yet. I’m copying it for posterity.

                      You guys have come a long way since last year when “dissent was the highest form of patriotism” and resistance was mandatory.

                      I guess all those protesters in 2017 at Trump’s swearing in were “disrupting the peaceful transition of power” too. Funny how you didn’t bitch about them.

                    2. I seriously doubt you have an encyclopedic memory of what chemjeff did or did not say about protests in 2017. You are full of shit.

                    3. “I seriously doubt”

                      Which, because you’re a retard, is the same as proof to you.

                    4. You just invented your White Knight nick last year, Cytotoxic, but your Chemjeff sock is easily searchable in the 2017 articles.

                    1. Lol. From your own fucking link:

                      ” The clip captures the moment a large group of rioters heaved against police trying to prevent them from entering the Capitol building.”

                      The cop got pinned in the door when protesters were trying to close it , but Jeffrey swears crushing cops in doorways is the latest in alt-right torture techniques.

                      You’re so fucking obvious.

                    1. Watch the video Wormtongue.
                      The cop beats their asses with a riot baton and they strike back with a cardboard Trump sign and a couple of flags. The caption says the guy used his crutch but he clearly didn’t.

                      Did you even watch the video.

                  2. Look, another “selfie”, this time with an officer!

                    https://twitter.com/Stargazer212/status/1350662410873483264

                    1. It looks like the fat fuck was trying to gouge his eye. I doesn’t look like he was successful but that’s still cheap.

                      But still, that’s your fucking insurrection? A cop got squished trying to force his way through a door, another was hit with some flags and cardboard after a billy club workout and some idiot tried to gouge an eye?
                      I’ve seen bigger riots after hockey games.

                    2. So, you are simply dismissive of the violence. Got it.

                    3. So you decide to be hyperbolic about it?

                      Oh wait you did that from jump lolol

                2. They were trespassing and being disruptive. Which is wrong and illegal. They weren’t real insurrectionists. They weren’t trying to burn down a federal building with workers trapped inside. They weren’t trying to firebomb an ICE facility. Leftists did those things and the media covered for them.

                  The Capitol event was minor in comparison, yet the treasonous left media treats it like the entire federal government was nearly overthrown.

                  So please, just stop. Your bullshit is obvious and tiresome. Which is every day for you.

                  1. Not only that, but you know that if Congress really had to, they’d’ve adjourned to another location and carried on their business there. They’re just bugged their pomp and ceremony were upstaged.

                    1. I mean, WTF, the Continental Congress was always on the run, and the British later burned DC. That’s when Congress was really threatened. So what’s it take now, just a bunch of hippies to wreck their whole operation?

            2. “And they were trying to disrupt the peaceful transition of power”

              So fucking what nancy. Protests typically do that. Try to stop things.

          2. Why are you trying to minimize or rationalize away what happened on Jan. 6?

            1. BLM WAS WORSE! WHY ARE YOU GIVING BLM A PASS?

            2. Why are you trying to rationalise away your hypocrisy and lies?

              1. No answer then. Okay.

                1. The red herring did it.

                  1. So what happened at the Capitol on the sixth, sarcasmic, that was worse than the four proceeding protests in DC?

                2. You got an answer, and since it doesn’t fit your lies, you ignore it.
                  Fuck off and die, TDS-addled shit.

                  1. McGuffin didn’t answer my question, and for that matter, neither did you.

                    1. Oh no he definitely answered you just hate it.

                    2. And you didn’t answer my question immediately above.

                3. Answer to fucking what?!

                  You lied about what happened and then asked us why we’re minimizing your lies?

                  Do you think we’re so niave we can’t see through your lousy attempt at gaslighting, and your bad-faith rhetoric?

                  We’re not all sarcasmics here, Wormtongue. You’re going to have to try harder than that.

                  1. Did you not see the riots yourself? Or did you just read about them on right-wing twitter?

                    1. You mean the protest? Do you always shit your pants?

                    2. “right-wing twitter”

                      Didn’t you censor and ban that?

                    3. Yes, chemjeff personally censored and banned people from Twitter.

                    4. I’m sure he had help.

                    5. So wait, all Republicans are to blame for the Capital protest but you’re blameless for your guys running Twitter?

                      lololol Ok!

            3. Why are you lying about what happened in the capitol on the sixth?
              Why have you made the most minor protest in DC in the last twelve months into a phony insurrection?
              Why do you lie about Sicknick, the zipties guy and what happened to Ashley Babbit?

              I’m not kidding around. You’re shilling for authoritarian reprisals against something that hardly rose to the level of a riot let alone an insurrection.

              I say this without resorting to hyperbole. You’re an actual fascist and a lying propagandist. Even as the narrative crumbles you continue to lie.
              You’re utterly disgusting.

              1. Why are you lying about what happened in the capitol on the sixth?

                YOU are the one minimizing what took place on that day. You focus only on things like property damage and a few cherry picked images and videos of people strolling around as if they were tourists. You ignore the real violence that took place that day, like crushing officers in the doorway, sending several of them to the hospital – even if Sicknick did not die from blunt force trauma, he was still injured, and he DID end up dead the next day.

                Why have you made the most minor protest in DC in the last twelve months into a phony insurrection?

                None of the other protests in the last 12 months had as their explicit goal the disruption of the peaceful transfer of power between administrations. That is the scariest part of what happened on January 6. That a mob thought that they could break in and stop the Electoral College process and impose their will by sheer mob violence. The other protests might have had more property damage and more people and more violence, I don’t know. But THIS one was far more dangerous to the democratic process ITSELF. When some BLM group or whatnot protested in the summer, there was never any danger that the democratic process itself would come under attack as a result of their protests. On Jan. 6, it did.

                So, I say this with all seriousness – fuck you for focusing only on the most superficial elements of this riot.

                And by the way. What do YOU think ziptie guy was doing? Walking around in all black, with a gun holster, carrying ziptie HANDCUFFS, in the Senate chamber. Just a tourist?

                1. “None of the other protests in the last 12 months had as their explicit goal the disruption of the peaceful transfer of power between administrations.”

                  Keep picking them cherries, TDS-addled shit.

                  1. Well, it’s true.

                    1. It’s also irrelevant; every protest has the goal of changing the political order, but TDS-addled lefty shits like you focus on the one which supports Trump as opposed to the hundreds of others which attempt to support socialism.
                      I post this not so you will learn anything; you, as Ken points out, do not have the mental ability to do so. This is simply to make sure your TDS-addled lefty shit is seen for what it is.

                    2. So political violence is acceptable only as long as it’s for something other than “disrupting the peaceful transfer of power.” Burning people out of their homes and murdering an ex-cop helping protect his buddy’s tv repair shop is a-okay, all because of unrelated police violence is a-okay, but people taking up a political grievance with their elected politicians is a bridge too far?

                2. What, no caustic response from Mother’s Lament?

                  1. Why reply to you when you’re hysterical?

                  2. No I’m here now, Wormtongue. I was enjoying supper and for dessert I get to debate a fascist.

                    ” What do YOU think ziptie guy was doing? Walking around in all black, with a gun holster, carrying ziptie HANDCUFFS
                    In the video, he was hanging Gadsden flags with them. The zipties weren’t police issue, they were the ones you buy at any hardware store. Not that you’ve ever been in one.
                    And the holster was empty, because he wasn’t allowed to open carry at the march.
                    Of course you knew all this I’m sure, but you’re here to lie and foment.

                    “None of the other protests in the last 12 months had as their explicit goal the disruption of the peaceful transfer of power between administrations.
                    Is that why when they attacked the Whitehouse and Trump was taken to the saferoom, and the “Blackhouse” camp was set up outside to help “Overthow” Trump and occupied for two weeks, you never said shit?

                    “even if Sicknick did not die from blunt force trauma, he was still injured”
                    Do you have a current cite on that, because all the news reports are now saying that he wasn’t the guy who got hit with the fire extinguisher, and that his stroke might have been caused by inhaling teargas.
                    Of course you knew all this I’m sure, but you’re here to lie and foment.

                    “But THIS one was far more dangerous to the democratic process ITSELF.”
                    More dangerous than attacking the senate to stop the confirmation of a Supreme Court Justice? You didn’t seem as upset about that.

                    You’re such a poseur, and a shitty one at that.

                    1. “ he was hanging Gadsden flags with them.”

                      Really. If that was his oh so innocent activity, why did he lie and say he found them laying around? Why weren’t there any flags on him or any hung up?

                    2. “all the news reports are now saying…”

                      By all you mean some.

                    3. SO much false equivalence and gaslighting and whataboutism. Jesse, is that you?

                      Why can’t you just discuss the issue ON ITS OWN MERITS without trying to make false equivalencies and comparisons to everything else? BECAUSE YOU CAN’T.

                    4. I’ve noticed “whataboutism” is your goto for handwaving hypocrisy charges.
                      And I discussed each issue on it’s merits, Wormtongue. Our posts aren’t invisible, people can read them you know. You’re not actually tricking people by pretending we didn’t write what we wrote.

                      It’s like arguing with a toddler FFS.

                    5. No you didn’t, you are trying to draw some false equivalence to other protests. WHO CARES? Oh right, you do because that is the only way that your team looks maybe even a little good. Only in comparison to others.

                    6. “No you didn’t”

                      Actually, he did and so did the rest of us.

            4. It was wrong and illegal. It was also a drop in the bucket compared to all the leftist violence. Yet, as usual, you focus only on this and never on all the evil violent things the left has perpetrated. With the leftist violence ongoing.

              1. Just like ML, you focus only on the superficial aspects and not on the intent of the rioters and what they were trying to accomplish.

                1. Fantastic.
                  You just finally admitted that it wasn’t what they actually did, but what you are inferring their motives to be.

                  I’ll be quoting you a lot on that one, Herr Goebbels.

                  1. Not what I am *inferring*. What they ACTUALLY DID. Shouting “Hang Mike Pence” doesn’t leave much room for nuance. They broke in, trying to stop the peaceful transition of power.

                    You’re Canadian, aren’t you? Which do you think is a more serious riot: a bunch of rioters breaking into Parliament shouting “Hang The Prime Minister”, *while it is in session*, handing over power to the other party? Or a bunch of rioters breaking into Parliament, when the building’s empty, _even if the same property damage occurred in either case_? Do you really think they are equivalent breaches of law and order? That they should be treated equivalently with no distinction whatsoever? That is absurd if you think that and you are simply providing cover for “your tribe* by constructing this false equivalence.

                    You focus on the property damage because that is the least significant part of the entirety of events of January 6. You focus on the cherry picked examples of people mulling about because it is the most sympathetic view of the rioters. You’re just a shill and a propagandist. You should focus on Canadian affairs perhaps.

                    1. So you are actually WhiteKnight after all, huh.
                      You just couldn’t resist squealing the exact same shit about Canadians and tipped your hat. I’m assuming that you’re DOL and maybe Chipper as well.

                      As far as I know, no Canadian political party has ever massively frauded an election before, but if it ever happens then I hope Canadians from across the country will go to Ottawa and protest the theft just like Americans did.
                      The theft of the election in America was abhorent.

                    2. There you go. You will not address my central question because you are here just to stir up shit and troll.

                      You’re shilling for Team Red even while you accuse everyone else of being some type of sock or shill or whatever. God it’s pathetic.

                      Maybe some day you will argue in good faith.

                    3. Uh oh Jeff is upset

                      “There you go. ”

                      Oh shit thats how you know he kmows he lost!

                      “you are here just to stir up shit and troll.”

                      Oh shit the guy who called protesters murders so he could score cheap political points is projecting because he lost!

                      “You’re shilling”

                      Oh shit now he’s in full surrender mode!

                      “you will argue in good faith.”

                      Ahaja show that belly Jeff! You got fucking crushed and your post exudes tjat you know it lolol

                    4. “Maybe some day you will argue in good faith”

                      People can read what I wrote and they can read what you wrote. They’re not hidden Jeff.

                      You’re “central question” wasn’t a question but a dishonest assertion. How do I answer a statement about a lie other than to illustrate how it’s a lie.

                      I’m pretty sure it’s obvious to everyone that not only are you arguing in bad-faith, but you’re advancing a narrative that even you know is false.

                2. “Just like ML, you focus only on the superficial aspects and not on the intent of the rioters and what they were trying to accomplish.”

                  TDS-addled lefty shit has a bushel of red-herring to drag around. “Superficial” like:
                  “At least 25 Americans were killed during protests and political unrest in 2020”
                  https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/31/americans-killed-protests-political-unrest-acled
                  Guardian, being a lefty rag, doesn’t bother to date their shit, but the images suggest the article is from last summer, asshole.
                  Some “superficial”.
                  Fuck off and die.

                3. You think there is something wrong with wanting a fair election?

                4. So political violence is acceptable if you’re satisfied by the underlying intent?

        3. Well, if beating and robbing all summer is peaceful protest advocated by the communists in power why not?

          If you don’t like protests, don’t go stealing elections.

      2. Did you watch the video that was presented at the trial? Did you see the police officer screaming as he was being crushed in the doors?

        Fuck you!

        1. “screaming as he was being crushed in the doors”

          Lol, fuck you, Wormtongue.
          Even ignoring the fact that the editing was essentially fraudulent (we’ve seen most of that footage uncut, Herr Goebbels), it wasn’t like your “insurrectionists” were crushing him on purpose.
          Anyone with a brain can see what you’re trying to pull, fascist mouthpiece. You’re so shit at fomenting.

          1. it wasn’t like your “insurrectionists” were crushing him on purpose.

            Oh, so they were crushing him by accident? Repeatedly?

            1. So are you saying that they were doing it purposefully?

              1. Yes, of course.

                1. See my reply to your original sock below.

              2. They didn’t “accidentally” force open the door.

                1. You’re such a psychotic liar.
                  He wedged himself in to bust through and got stuck between the other cops and the protesters and started yelling. Nobody else did it to him.
                  You can even hear a female protester asking him if he’s okay, clear as day.

                  https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/video/2021/jan/10/police-officer-crushed-in-doorway-by-rioters-during-capitol-breach-video

                  What a despicable shill you are.

                  1. What were the protestors doing with the door in the first place, Mother’s?

                    1. Protesting.

                      I know you’ve bought the lies because you’re a prog but that was easy.

                    2. “What were the protestors doing with the door in the first place, Mother’s?”

                      Shove them goal-posts you stinking pile of lefty shit!

            2. “Oh, so they were crushing him by accident? Repeatedly?”

              Got evidence otherwise, steaming pile of lefty shit?
              Hmmm, no, you don’t.

            3. They weren’t?

        2. Why are you excusing BLM? You didn’t denounce them enough! They’re the real bad guys!

          1. I think these guys like ML here really are so far into the tribalism bullshit that they refuse to even acknowledge reality about “their tribe” in public, for fear of showing signs of weakness.

            1. Even you don’t believe the horseshit you’re trying to peddle, why should we?

              You’re raging like a broke snake-oil salesman who can’t find a rube or a mark.

            2. Nigga you “both sidesed” an article strictly about Democrats earlier today. Save that stupid bullshit lololol

          2. “Why are you excusing BLM? You didn’t denounce them enough! They’re the real bad guys!”

            Why does lefty pile of shit *never* argue about a claim being made, and instead drags a stawman in?
            “…We often think Tony, Shrike, and ChemJeff [and this asshole] are being dishonest–especially when they don’t seem to learn anything from having their arguments shredded and smeared in their faces everyday for years. But the fact that they don’t seem to learn anything–knowledge wise or in terms of critical thinking–may be consistent with the hypothesis that they’re just not that bright. And we shouldn’t necessarily assume that Binion, Boehm, or Britschgi are fundamentally different from them.
            Maybe the reason they try to make us feel is because they’re incapable of making us think. It is beyond their capabilities…”

          3. Why are you so mad about them pointing out your actions?

        3. Did you see all the cops murdered by BLM and their cohorts over the summer?

          No faux outrage for them i see.

  28. Time to primary-out all 7 of these GOP senators. Apparently, all Democrats voted in lock-step with Schumer to convict in this sham of an impeachment trial. Republicans need to get rid of those who don’t likewise support Republican leaders – otherwise, the party of “reaching across the aisle” will continue to be the party of losers.

    1. Now that’s not fair. Every now and then, the Democrats do give the Republicans the courtesy of a reach around.

      Since it happens “across the aisle,” isn’t that pretty much the same thing?

      1. Or Across the Isle.

  29. Let’s just hope that we can finally stop hearing about Trump in the news. I for one am just glad that we will very hopefully never have to hear from him again.

    Trump isn’t going to run in 2024 because (1) that takes work, and (2) he already crossed that item off his bucket list. Just like he isn’t going to create a new party. That (1) takes work, and (2) would cut into his golf time.

    1. You’re a dipshit.

      1. You really are turning into a right-wing Tulpa troll, you realize that Ken?

        At least this new Ken requires less reading.

        1. You deserve few words, since you’re easily confused.

        2. It really infuriates you when he crushes your lies so easily with a comprehensive response, doesn’t it.

          1. You’ve had plenty of time to compose something resembling a serious answer to my post above, which you claimed to be asking “honestly”. But as I should have known you were just trolling as you would much rather offer n cheap shots and crude insults,

            1. Do you somehow think that your last fifty comments here are invisible?

              Ever since your “violent insurrection” narrative fell apart in the other comment thread you’ve done nothing but shitpost and rant.

              Everyone can see it for themselves. Are you drunk or something?

            2. You got fucking destroyed and your idiot narrative fell completely apart. Stop the damage control, it isn’t working.

        3. You deserve insults and scorn. You argue repetitively, and in bad faith. So you don’t deserve respect or a thoughtful response.

    2. Hope in one hand, shit in the other. See which one fills up first.

      1. Both of your hands are full of shit, sarc.

        1. That’s why it’s so interesting seeing how he can also hold a bottle.

      2. “Hope in one hand, shit in the other. See which one fills up first.”

        Shit between the ears.

    3. OK so Jeff admits he lost, Trump won, and jeffster didn’t get what he wanted which was to publicly flog and abuse a former president.

      1. Where did I say any of those things?

        1. Flag the moron. You’re not going to get honest conversation, so don’t bother.

          1. Go ahead, flag everyone who finds you a simplistic pile of lefty shit. You you two can have wonderful conversations with Tony, turd and a couple of others; reality-free.

            1. Sarcasmic thinks he turns invisible when he flags you.

              1. He’s mad that he and all of his socks get ignored. Look how desperate he is in this thread.

          2. We don’t get honest discourse with either of you faggots.

          3. AHAHAH SWRLSY is pissed that he gets flagged into oblivion!

            sarcasmic
            February.13.2021 at 7:23 pm
            Flag the moron. You’re not going to get honest conversation, so don’t bother

            sarcasmic
            February.13.2021 at 7:24 pm
            BLM WAS WORSE! WHY ARE YOU GIVING BLM A PASS?

            ahahahahahaa

    4. Jeff is kinda saying Trump has been too successful to care about running for a second term. Trump supporter or not, you are licking something here.

  30. Impeachment isn’t intended to further your political agenda.

    I hope that this shitshow made the point that people become incensed when they and their elected sitting president of the United States are censored, scrubbed, erased from all media, specifically having their 1a rights violated by unelected media oligarchs working for the interests of those who committed proven voting fraud.

    Trump and his fortune are needed now more than ever if there’s ever going to be a fair election.

    The proof of voter fraud is available. Physically recounted votes showed that the machines flipped thousands of votes from Trump to Biden in the counties audited. Watch the video.

    A valid election didn’t happen and it won’t until the censorship ends and ithe details of the fraud are exposed by nationwide audits bringing ALL the guilty to justice.

    http://www.worldviewweekend.com/tv/video/absolute-proof-exposing-election-fraud-and-theft-america-enemies-foreign-and-domestic

    1. Elections must be made fair. If not, then there is no more rule of law, and the democrats should be removed by force.

      1. If this were merely as two dimensional as democrats bad, republicans good such a simplistic solution would have been implemented 200 years ago.

        A comprehensive forensic audit of the 2020 election fraud will probably demonstrate involvement by both parties with foreign assistance.

        When all choices are corrupt the only solution is to eliminate corruption itself. Otherwise the cycle continues. We should fight to make a difference.

        We have lost our right to free speech. The media censorship us and our opponents cancel us when we exercise free speech. We must regain 1a to get back in the fight.

        Then we need to apply responsibility to that right by criminalizing lying.

        Together these two actions first expose, then eliminate corruption and we could start voting for the best candidate instead of the least worst.

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  32. Now that the impeachment trial is over, the Trump era has come to a close.

    Don’t I wish. No, you Captain Ahab motherfuckers are going to keep spending every waking moment on your obsession.

    1. Goddamn that is awesome, thank you.

      “To the last I grapple with thee from hell’s heart I stab at thee for hate’s sake I spit my last breath at thee.”

      That sums up the democrats perfectly.

  33. So when’s the next impeachment scheduled for? Are the Dems going to keep this going until every last voter figures out they’re suffering from Trumpmania and need to be hauled off to the loony bin?

  34. Oh, yeah, I think it’s odd that we can get a quick take on a meaningless piece of political theater on a weekend but we still haven’t heard anything about Time Magazine’s story on how the election was fortified and democracy was saved by making sure the right candidate won.

    1. That isn’t even what the Time Magazine piece said. They did nefarious things like help local boards of elections place ballot dropboxes. Horrible, right?

      1. But nothing else, Jeff? Was that the only thing they did? There isn’t anything controversial that you might be forgetting to mention?

        1. I’m waiting.

          1. Keep waiting. In fact, don’t make any more comments until he responds.

          2. Okay, I’ll take that to mean that you thought that was the only thing and there was nothing else. I’ll also take that to mean you read the article and didn’t just grab some talking points from Media Matters.

            So let’s start at the beginning of the article, we’ll go deep because I feel sparky.
            Let’s look at the key explanatory paragraph from the article:

            “This is the inside story of the conspiracy to save the 2020 election, based on access to the group’s inner workings, never-before-seen documents and interviews with dozens of those involved from across the political spectrum. It is the story of an unprecedented, creative and determined campaign whose success also reveals how close the nation came to disaster. ‘Every attempt to interfere with the proper outcome of the election was defeated,’ says Ian Bassin, co-founder of Protect Democracy, a nonpartisan rule-of-law advocacy group. ‘But it’s massively important for the country to understand that it didn’t happen accidentally. The system didn’t work magically. Democracy is not self-executing.’”

            Now before I go any further I want you to explain to me about the two most important phrases: That the participants in the “conspiracy to save the 2020 election” presumed to know what was the “proper outcome of the election” and they had to do what they did because “Democracy is not self-executing,” that is, it cannot be trusted to produce the “proper outcome.”

            I want to hear your opinion on them and then we’ll get to the meat of it.

            1. Please don’t encourage him, unless it’s towards self harm.

              1. Sorry, there’s some pretty big implications in that article, which may be passable from a big-government/socialist perspective but not a libertarian one; so I’ve been hoping our fake-libertarian fifty-centers would get into it with me.

            2. That is actually not what I meant – I was waiting for you to respond to my comment above, which you claimed to want in good faith. But you were not honest as usual.

              ‘Every attempt to interfere with the proper outcome of the election was defeated,’

              The “proper outcome” is the one that reflects the accurate will of the voters, whatever that will is.

              The system didn’t work magically. Democracy is not self-executing.’”

              Well, ballot boxes don’t just appear as if by magic. Poll workers don’t train themselves, ballots don’t print or count themselves, ballot machines don’t program themselves. Someone has to put in the hard work to get all the stuff organized to have a smoothly run election.

              That is a plain straightforward reading of those two phrase, not embedded with dark conspiratorial meaning that you impute into them.

              1. “Well, ballot boxes don’t just appear as if by magic. Poll workers don’t train themselves, ballots don’t print or count themselves, ballot machines don’t program themselves. Someone has to put in the hard work to get all the stuff organized to have a smoothly run election.”

                Hold up, before I go further I just want to clarify.
                That was “Protect Democracy” saying that they were effecting the proper outcome because Democracy is not self-executing.
                Are you saying that the states weren’t organizing, training workers and placing ballot boxes? So Protect Democracy had to do it in their place?

                I don’t want to go too far off track, so a simple yes or no will do.

                1. I would further like to ask, in the phrase “conspiracy to save the 2020 election”, whether Jeff thinks there were any specific threats to election integrity from which it needed to be saved?

                  1. I think the biggest threats to the election, as of about June 2020 or so, was the bungled and inept responses of local election officials. Look how the Democratic primaries turned out. Ohio’s had a super-low turnout even for a primary, Wisconsin’s turned into a super-spreader event, New York’s was so inept that they couldn’t even certify a winner for weeks and weeks afterwards. But by time the general election arrived, they pretty much got their shit together. Whether it was because the election officials themselves learned from their mistakes, or because this “shadowy cabal” helped them out, or both, I don’t really care. THAT was the biggest danger IMO, that the process itself would be so bungled that nobody could trust at all what was going on.

                    1. THAT was the biggest danger IMO, that the process itself would be so bungled that nobody could trust at all what was going on.

                      Thank goodness we avoided that! Oh man, I needed a laugh today. Thanks.

                    2. Well, we did. The reason why many people don’t think the election was fair isn’t because the process itself produced unclear results, which was the danger, but because so many people propagated lies about what actually happened, that these lies put together created a cloud of uncertainty in the minds of many.

                2. No no, you hold up a moment. Do you agree that the phrase “proper outcome of the election” Is best understood as one in which the will of the voters is accurately reflected, regardless of who wins? If you don’t agree, then specifically state why you think the phrase should be interpreted in some other way.

                  1. No, it’s obvious that they were referring to a preferred outcome, which they make clear in the rest of the article.

              2. “That is actually not what I meant”

                ahahah you got shut the fuck up aajahahaj

    2. Or how one of Trump’s attorneys had his home vandalized and is receiving numerous death threats.

  35. Was Sullum too busy crying to crap out this half-hearted summary of the impeachment verdict?

    1. He’s in a dark room somewhere mumbling about strawberries and geometric logic.

  36. Article 1 Section 3 Clause 6: “When the President of the United States is tried the Chief Justice shall preside;” No Chief Justice = No Constitutional Trial. Maybe the Democrats can pack the SCOTUS and promote one of their own (AOC?) to Chief Justice In Charge Of Impeachments.

  37. Trump acquitted. Commentariat still boring and as angry as if he was convicted.

    1. As much as the usual suspects around here claim that the media need Trump as their Emmanuel Goldstein, in reality, it’s Team Red that needs perpetual scapegoats to fuel their outrage machine.

      1. You are subhuman garbage. It will be good when you die.

        1. Uh oh. Someone’s been triggered.

          1. No, that’s been my assessment of you for quite some time. No triggering required. You’re lying garbage. There s nothing special about this subject in that regard.

            1. Well, if the people around here, such as yourself, who continually call for their political opponents to be murdered, don’t like me, then that is fine by me. I don’t want to be liked by your type. I’ll wear that as a badge of honor.

              1. “then that is fine by me.”

                as he cries about it for infinitieth time

              2. You post here specifically to be liked so your lies are not only pathetic, they’re transparent.

              3. Agree 100%.

                And find it really odd that so many find the notion acceptable/normal – that political opponents should be seen as enemy worth killing or seeing dead.

                1. Fuck off and die, TDS-addled shit.

      2. Lol, now you’re just ranting.

      3. Psst, there’s no team red, only a purple uniparty now.

  38. I get it.

    Senators could easily feel that voting to convict the pathetic figure that is, now, Trump was akin to kicking a drunken bum passed out in a gutter as they walked by.

    Trump is a sad one termer.
    Trump lost by the same EC margin that he called a landslide.
    Trump yugely lost the popular vote, twice.
    Trump lost his backroom coups.
    Trump lost dozens of court cases.
    Trump lost the House.
    Trump lost the Senate.
    Trump lost the people, worst POTUS approval rating ever, with his whining.
    Trump lost his insurrection.
    Trump lost money for decades, earning the title the Biggest Loser.
    Trump lost two impeachment votes, the first POTUS ever.
    Trump lost members of his own party on both impeachment and conviction votes, the first POTUS ever.

    Only Benedict Arnold’s fall and betrayal comes close to Trump’s. Arnold at least began as an undeniably successful military officer. Trump’s sole undeniable success was as a game show host, whose success cursed a generation of TV to Reality TV debasement.

    1. Lowest black unemployment ever. Lowest poverty rate since 1960. Energy independence. Seured the border. Four peace treaties. Didn’t start a war. Yeah a real loser.

      1. To a prog, those are bad things. We should get rid of all the progs.

      2. Which was the trajectory already following Obama’s surviving the great recession. Boy you people like to act like Trump turned things around overnight and suddenly all the jobs figures were correct while under obama it was a lie. lmfao you are the ones living in a fucking made-up-trumpian-reality.

        1. “Which was the trajectory already following Obama’s surviving the great recession…”

          Which was retarded by Obo’s idiotic policies and accelerated under Trump’s policies, all the while brain-dead TDS-addled shits like you claimed ‘the economy will never recover from Trump!
          Fuck off and die; make the world a smarter place and your dog happy.

    2. Trump lost dozens of court cases.

      Not quite characterized correctly.

      Trump had very few cases before the court. Most of those cases were filed by independent parties.

      Also, most of those cases were tossed for “lack of standing” which is a technical legal term which had nothing to do with ‘lack of evidence’.

      1. You can’t overthrow an election on some psychotic asshole’s assertion, as I’m sure you know.

    3. I could have sworn that a couple dozen Democrats in the House voted for the impeachment of Bill Clinton.

      1. I stand corrected: it was only 5 Democrats who voted to impeach Clinton on the two articles that passed. In any case, the Trump vote was not the first time a president lost members of his own party.

        1. fuck off sarcasmic

        2. Note that I wrote “and” not “or,” and Trump is the first president ever to lose members of his own party in a conviction vote and the first to lose them in both an impeachment and conviction vote. That point of clarity set, that Clinton did not is a stain on Democrats. Although Willie’s perjury was a small crime in comparison to Trump’s several, both should have been convicted.

          1. “…Although Willie’s perjury was a small crime in comparison to Trump’s several, both should have been convicted.”

            Poor TDS-addled asshole imagines crimes Trump didn’t commit. TDS-addled assholes do that regularly.

    4. Poor Lefties. They dont see what is happening after they started civil war 2.0

      commie democrats are scared and they are so crazy with delusion they cant admit why.

      The constitution strikes again.

    5. BigGiveNotBigGov
      February.13.2021 at 9:11 pm
      “I get it…”
      No, as a TDS- addled lefty shit, you don’t “get it” at all.
      Your bullshit list of claims makes it clear that your raging TDS shows you are a TDS-addled piece of lefty shit claiming to be othewise.
      TDS-addled lefty shits are not hard to identify.

    6. BigGiveNotBigGov
      February.13.2021 at 9:11 pm
      “I get it. (followed by piles of lefty shit)”
      We have a steaming pile of lefty shit here, who claims to be otherwise:
      Revealed preference, steaming pile of lefty shit.

    7. >Trump’s sole undeniable success

      Rights because nobody had even heard of Trump before The Apprentice.

      Are you one of those millennial dipshits that isn’t aware of anything from over a decade ago?

      1. Naw, I’m even old enough to recall the OJ trial.

        Trump is today’s OJ.

        1. You are today’s TDS-addled asshole.

    8. Idk dude, say what you will, but Trump could likely buy your entire life 1000s of times over. Would be reluctant to call someone like that a loser if I were you.

  39. “one that likely would have included even more damning evidence of Trump’s role in fomenting the January 6th chaos.”
    Was I watching a different trail? The reason the Dems backed off on witnesses was the defense was going to call Pelosi. A libtard wrote this article.

  40. has a future in American politics, however, sadly remains an open question.

    If a dementia-addled one-timer who can’t remember if he’s in Cleveland or Washington can with the whitehouse with the aid of dozens of NGOs, activist groups and billionaire tech power-point jockey’s, who can’t have a shot at a second chance?

  41. “the idea that the Senate did not have the constitutional authority to convict a president who has already left office. That’s also a poor defense—one that effectively leaves Congress with no recourse against a chief executive who breaks the law on his way out the door”

    Isn’t the incoming attorney general able to bring charges through a court of law? Congress is not the only branch of government capable of dealing with a former president.

    1. Not to mention, we can try Trump in the Court of Public opinion. Let’s get him once and for all. The wall are closing in!

    2. If they actually break a real law on the way out the door, they can be arrested and tried. It just has to be by a real court with due process, not a political power play.

  42. Commie staff at unreason hardest hit!

    1. Trump’s lawyers are going to prove that election fraud any day now, and he will get his second term. Right, loveconstitution1789?!

      1. Cry harder.

      2. lol you got banned lolol

        1. He sure did. It was hilarious.

          1. How do you know if someone is banned? And really? Reason bans people in the comments but can’t get rid of the spam?

            1. That tells you what sort of shithead you have to be to even get noticed by the moderator. *The* moderator – there’s only one.

              1. You didn’t answer my question. Where do I go to see that he was banned and for what reason?

                1. Oh, and I see you’re a brand-new TDS-addled lefty shit. Please get banned.

                2. He is not posting in his old handle anymore. Ever. Think he died, someone found out and made this handle to permanently incarnate him?

                  1. That is the newest TDS-addled shit; s/he was not asking for information, but in the hopes WK wasn’t really banned for whatever would embarrass 90% of humanity.

            2. “How do you know if someone is banned?”

              If you happen to notice, their former comments disappear, and then the show up with a new handle.
              turd got banned for linking kiddie porn (and still shows up, if you ever needed proof that he’s stupid enough to be beyond embarrassment).
              What this TDS-addled shit did to deserve the ban-hammer, he’s never admitted, but again, proven stupid beyond embarrassment.

  43. Well, that’s finally over.

    Can’t we all agree now that we are on the same side again, to start warning against the numerous Biden/Harris assaults on personal liberty, the economy, common sense and good governance?

    Old Man Bad.

    1. It’s probably unhelpful to submit all our ideas to an arbitrary fairness test. It’s okay to prefer Democrats.

      I mean fuck what would Republicans have to do before you realized that?

      1. It would be helpful if shitstain managed to get some assistance to at least learn that there is an objective reality, and help him compare his fantasies to that.

  44. Those senators, and the 10 Republican members of the House of Representatives who voted to impeach Trump last month, clearly demonstrate the stark divide facing the party as it seeks a post-Trump identity will all be primaried in their next election.

    FIFY

  45. Next: It’s unjust that Andrew Johnson was impeached fewer times than Trump. Dig up Johnson and hold Impeachment 2, Cadaver Synod Bougaloo.

    1. Maybe Reason will want to impeach George Washington now? He had Revolutionary Troops executed that were volunteers and wanted to leave and go home and take care of their farms. Washington also OWNED slaves. You know, we shouldn’t let the founding of the USA be an excuse to not go back and impeach George Washington! (sarc)
      “George Washington Convenes a Firing Squad”
      by Joshua Shepherd
      https://allthingsliberty.com/2016/02/george-washington-convenes-a-firing-squad/

  46. U.S. Senate minority leader Mitch McConnell excoriated Donald Trump on Saturday for being “morally responsible” for the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol, but said he voted to acquit him at the impeachment trial because he believes the Senate had no jurisdiction over a former president.

    Washington’s most powerful Republican used his strongest language to date to denounce Trump minutes after the Senate voted 57-43 to convict Trump but fell short of the two-thirds majority needed to find him guilty. Seven Republicans voted to convict.
    https://worldabcnews.com/republican-senate-leader-who-voted-to-acquit-says-trump-morally-responsible-for-capitol-attack/

    1. Yes, Mitch McConnell is also a corrupt piece of shit waging war on the American people.

  47. Is anyone starting a pool on when the next Trump impeachment will begin?

  48. Still, the number of Republicans who broke ranks is significant

    Is it though?

    1. At least 5 of those names I recognize as never-Trumpers. All of them are the most Blue of the Blue Republicans

    2. This impeachment means nothing. It has no consequences for anyone. I can understand their care with the first one – its a rare precedent. But this one? Well, the seal’s already been broken. And everyone knows this is a political stunt simply meant to grind Trump’s face in the dirt.

    1. Right, because someone elected as a Republican being “never-Trump” means that you don’t count them as being Republican. If someone that had won an election as a Republican votes so directly against the party’s leader, that should be telling you something about Trump. Instead, it just means that they are RINO to you.

      1. Let’s see, we have Agammamon’s opinion, compared to that of our newest TDS-addled shit.
        Which would seem more likely to be valid?

    2. So what do you suggest should have been the appropriate response to the attempted coup?

      1. Shitstain can’t spell “protest”.

        1. “A Man Loots a Store during the Aftermath of Hurricane Katrina.”

          “A Man Finds Provisions during the Aftermath of Hurricane Katrina.”

          These two newspaper headlines describe exactly similar situations, depicted in photographs. Pop quiz: what was the one difference in the photographs?

          1. Shitstain still can’t separate reality from his fantasies; is anyone surprised?

  49. They fucking pre-empted the first 75 minutes of my basketball game for this bullshit sham trial on ABC.

  50. The majority of the government voted to convict in the face of overwhelming evidence of trumps innocence.

    The majority is wrong.

    Why are ALL mainstream media platforms reporting ONLY the demonstrated wrong rhetoric?

    Has anyone actually seen Trumps defence reported?

    1. Black Lives Matter was worse! That excuses anything he or his followers did! Why are you giving BLM a pass? There were no protestors! Only rioters! You’re excusing riots if you say anything bad about Trump! BLM was wooorrrrsssse1!!11one!!!!!1!

      1. Fucking leftie shit has blown a gasket again.

      2. 95% of BLM protestors were peaceful. The rioters were just the criminal fringe taking advantage. If you aren’t for people standing up for their liberty how the fuck do you call yourself a libertarian?

        1. And you hopefully apply this to the captiol riot dipshits as well then, old little smarty?

          1. If you are slow: if you excuse BLM dipshits for their “5%” violent dipshits, you have to excuse trump supporters and especially Trump himself for the 0.000001% of them that turned violent in DC. Or are you dementia Joes sockpuppet?

        2. Wise Old Fool
          February.14.2021 at 5:45 pm
          “95% of BLM protestors were peaceful.”

          Troll account or fucking abysmally stupid.

  51. Was OJ in the original “Groundhog Day,” or just this remake filming at Mar-A-Lago?

    “O.J. Simpson was acquitted approximately 25 years ago. Almost every conservative back then knew he was guilty, and lamented the glamorization of lawlessness …. 25 years later, the GOP is now the ‘O.J. Party.'” ~ Matt Lewis

    Haven’t read Lewis enough to know where he is on other things, but he hit the X-ring with this shot.

    1. Stuff your TDS up your ass so your head has some company.

  52. It’s the greatest challenge of Mitch McConnell’s life. Keep the donors and the Trump cultists both happy. “Trump is a violent traitor, but I couldn’t vote to convict on a technicality I just made up out of thin air.” It’s more clever than it looks. By making a speech, yet doing absolutely nothing substantial about the problem, Mitch appeals to the constituents who are literate and doesn’t upset the ones who would murder his family for insufficient loyalty to Trump.

    I often wonder why people hang onto worldviews that require making such compromises, on the theory that the best way to run things isn’t likely to involve millions of violent cultists. Maybe raiding public programs for tax cuts isn’t the one true economic policy. I’m just asking questions.

    At some point you have to wonder about people whose only policy idea is to steal public money for their donors, who don’t bat an eye at disenfranchising black people neighborhood by neighborhood, and who have wielded power despite not having majority support for a generation. Maybe a crazed mob overthrowing democracy is something they don’t automatically dismiss as an idea.

    1. “Trump is a violent traitor, but I couldn’t vote to convict on a technicality I just made up out of thin air.”

      You’d think shitstain would know not to put a lie in quotation marks, but that assumes shitstain actually has some concept of honesty.
      Wrong; shitstain is simply too stupid to understand there *is* a reality.

      1. exactly. The point of impeachment is to remove from office not “get it done by the end of his term”. Now Trump will run again in 4 years unless New York prosecutors get him thrown in prison Al Capone style.

        1. Wise Old Fool
          February.14.2021 at 5:43 pm
          “exactly. The point of impeachment is to remove from office not “get it done by the end of his term”. Now Trump will run again in 4 years unless New York prosecutors get him thrown in prison Al Capone style.”

          I know it flies over the heads of TDS-addled lefty shits, but I was refering to you and the asshole directly below.
          Not the best POTUS we’ve had since Silent Cal.

      2. There is a reality, and you should spend more time figuring out what it’s about and less time behaving like you’re terrified that someone on the internet will make you question the worldview you were spooned by whatever radio shock jock you get it from.

        1. “…you should spend more time figuring out what it’s about and less time behaving like you’re terrified that someone on the internet will make you question the worldview you were spooned by whatever radio shock jock you get it from.”

          Shitstain, we have but one more of your fantasies, now attempting to analyze me.
          Believe me, ‘terror’ regarding your lies or those of other TDS-addled lefty shits is not the resulting emotion. More like amusement or perhaps sympathy for your families.
          And you claim *I* have a hard time with reality?

  53. The 7 senators who voted against that POS had more backbone than the rest of the R senators combined. What a bunch of pussies. Still afraid of Trump.

    1. My below comment seems to be referring to whiny leftist clingers like this one here. 😀

    2. TDS-addled lefty shit posts comment!

  54. Holy cow! 621 comments, could this have something to do with lefty clingers whining because reality is passing them laughing once again?

  55. Among the first items on the Democratic party’s agenda is election reform. I know, that probably sounds like a communist plot to you, and if you are in the GOP cult, it is bad news, but on the bright side, it’s uncontroversially good for anyone who actually believes in democracy.

    Republicans at some point (usually attributed to Newt Gingrich) decided that they were a tribe, not just a political alliance, and that this tribe had to have power at all costs. They made it harder for people in cities and on college campuses to vote. They won the presidency twice in my lifetime without actually winning any popular contest. They stack courts with far-right ideologues who hate democracy. They exploit the advantage rural citizens get to the last drop of unearned power. They targeted black neighborhoods and took away their polling stations without any justification other than the fact that they wanted to make it harder for them to vote.

    I think a normal person would ask themselves how it could be possible that people as anti-democratic and morally dead could have good ideas about how societies and economies should be run. Maybe there’s a flaw in my thinking, but I don’t see any reason to think that good, evidence-based, socially conscious governing tends to come from political factions that seek power at all costs, including simply ratfucking truth until it’s dead and bloody.

    But maybe your pronouns are that important to you. It is culture war, after all. People like their culture, no matter how fucking stupid it is, because that’s what they grew up with, and so few of us actually manage to stop thinking like children,

    1. This is not going to end well for your totalitarian dirt tribe.

    2. There is no war. There is people like you, lying all day about suppression and embracing the self-victimization to gain control over others. And then there’s the other half of the people waiting until you go too far…

    3. Tony
      February.14.2021 at 7:19 pm
      “Among the first items on the Democratic party’s agenda is election reform. I know, that probably sounds like a communist plot to you, and if you are in the GOP cult, it is bad news, but on the bright side, it’s uncontroversially good for anyone who actually believes in democracy…”

      “…We often think Tony, Shrike, and ChemJeff are being dishonest–especially when they don’t seem to learn anything from having their arguments shredded and smeared in their faces everyday for years. But the fact that they don’t seem to learn anything–knowledge wise or in terms of critical thinking–may be consistent with the hypothesis that they’re just not that bright. And we shouldn’t necessarily assume that Binion, Boehm, or Britschgi are fundamentally different from them.
      Maybe the reason they try to make us feel is because they’re incapable of making us think. It is beyond their capabilities…”

    4. “I think a normal person..”
      That’s a laugh riot, shitstain. If you were under oath, it’d be perjury; here it’s simply a claim, as a TDS-addled lefty shit, you are not capable of making.
      Fuck off and die, shitstain. Please.

  56. chemjeff radical individualist
    February.13.2021 at 10:44 pm
    “Not what I am *inferring*. What they ACTUALLY DID. Shouting “Hang Mike Pence” doesn’t leave much room for nuance. They broke in, trying to stop the peaceful transition of power…”

    Tired of it:
    Yes it does leave several acres of nuance.
    How many of the people ‘shouted’ that out of how many were there? Doesn’t have to be exact, but there are claims of ‘thousands’ in the protest; did we have twenty, something on that order? That’s called ‘cherry picking’ you pathetic piece of lefty shit.

    And, in order for a threat to be taken seriously, it has to have some possibility of accomplishment.
    I can easily claim to be trying to nuke the WH with droolin’ Joe in there, but since I don’t have any nukes or any way to deliver them if I did, the claims is facetious.
    Much like your idiotic claim ‘they were trying to stop the transfer of power’.
    Tell us, you fucking lefty ignoramus, how could a small group of a hundred people, armed with broomsticks, ever hope to accomplish that?
    I do not engage you in the hopes that you might actually learn anything; you are far, far too stupid to do so. But simply to make clear what a fucking ignoramus you are and how pathetically stupid your claims are.
    Fuck off and die.

  57. BTW, Jeff’s steaming pile of lefty shit is as bad as WK’s continued claim that the cop was ‘murdered’ by the protesters.
    Wanna know the connection between the protesters and the cop who died of a stroke?
    Well, the protest happened in January and cop DIED IN THE SAME MONTH!!!!!!!!, right, TDS-addled lefty shit?

  58. Impeached twice.
    Found not guilty twice.
    Most innocent President in history.
    Respect the Science.

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