Impeachment

GOP Congressman Peter Meijer on Why He Voted To Impeach Trump

The 33-year-old lawmaker, who occupies Justin Amash's old seat, on how his party needs to reclaim the mantle of limited government, capitalism, and individualism.

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How's this for a busy first couple of weeks on the job?

Just three days after being sworn into Congress to represent Michigan's 3rd district, Republican freshman Peter Meijer found himself and his colleagues trapped without security in the bowels of the Capitol building while a riot that ultimately claimed five lives raged all around.

The following week, he was one of just 10 Republicans—and the only first-term member of the GOPwho voted to impeach Donald Trump, whom he had vocally supported on the campaign trail. Meijer's vote to impeach led to immediate announcements that he will be primaried in 2022 and a narrowly failed censure vote from his own state's GOP.

The 33-year-old Iraq War veteran, who says his military training helps him maintain focus, is filling the seat vacated by former Libertarian Party Congressman Justin Amash, whose policy views he shares on a broad range of issues. Meijer told Reason why he believes in limited government, economic freedom, and individualism; why he's against out-of-control stimulus spending and military adventurism; and how he plans to combat the craziness he sees both on the right and left in the House of Representatives.

He also talks about what he's learned about business and public service from being the scion of the Meijer superstore chain, how generational fault lines may be as important as political ones, and why he's committed to voting his principles rather than his constituents' will.

Narrated by Nick Gillespie. Edited by Austin Bragg and Regan Taylor.

Photo: Tom Williams/CQ Roll Call/Newscom

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  1. “… while a riot that ultimately claimed five lives raged all around.”

    Three heart attacks, a protester shot by police, and a police officer who died in still undefined conditions.

    1. I was just about to say the same thing. JFC; people allegedly in or near the news business, getting basic facts wrong, or at best, bastardizing the context.

      1. Of course you were. It only plays with your alt-right echo chamber buddies. Everyone else has no reason to lie to themselves about the plain truth of a police officer being killed by the mob.

        1. It only plays with people whose heads are not up their own asses. Five people were not “killed” in the fracas. One was, an unarmed civilian who was shot. No one has said why or how the cop died, but it has been published that he showed no signs of being bludgeoned. That leaves three others whom you purposely ignored.

          1. I’m going to have to ask for a cite on “he showed no signs of being bludgeoned”.

            1. Oh, they’ve released the autopsy?

            2. I’m going to have to ask for a cite on how “he was killed” by anything to do with the protest.
              Also, remind us again, Wormtongue, why you told us he was bludgeoned to death with a fire extinguisher.

              https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/02/02/politics/brian-sicknick-charges/index.html

              1. Oops, I forgot the quote from the CNN article I linked:

                “medical examiners did not find signs that the officer sustained any blunt force trauma, so investigators believe that early reports that he was fatally struck by a fire extinguisher are not true.”

                Stuff that cite up your decietful ass, Wormtongue.

                1. Next article over;; They’ll all be ‘alt-right echo chamber, conspiracy theorist, domestic terrorist insurrectionists’ ALL OVER AGAIN while pushing to create completly and utterly proven LIES in an echo chamber of their own conspiracy-theories while promoting Gov-Guns to enforce those LIES. Lefty propaganda is all about repeating the lie consistently and compulsively until the LIE is understood as TRUTH.

                  The left is selling PROJECTION and nothing but projection in the truck loads this year.

                  1. Speaking of projection…

                    https://reason.com/2021/01/18/carjacker-beaverton-mom-kid-waiting/#comment-8710844
                    Model TJJ2000 Dictatorbot believes that the USA already is (and should be) a 1-party dictatorshit! That the USA HAS BEEN a 1-party dictatorshit for some 200 years!!! There is NO point in trying to persuade the Model TJJ2000 Dictatorbot of ANYTHING! Almost ALL of the circuits of the Model TJJ2000 Dictatorbot have gone kaput, big-time!

                    Model TJJ2000 Dictatorbot is lusting after an UPGRADE to its rusting old body! Wants to be upgraded to Model TJJ20666 Dictatorbot, and run for POTUS in 2024, with Alex Jones as the VEEP of Model TJJ20666 Dictatorbot!!! Be ye WARNED!!! Model TJJ20666 Dictatorbot will be well-nigh INDESTRUCTIBLE! (Unreachable by ANY logic or considerations for the freedoms of others, MOST certainly!)

                    PLEASE do NOT enable the lusting of the rusting TJJ20000 Dictatorbot!!!

                    1. He was right though, Sqrlsy, and you’re misrepresenting his position.

                  2. In the eyes of Mamma, ***ALL*** conservaturds and fascists are “correct”, no matter HOW extreme, or factually flat-out WRONG they may be!

              2. He has had this linked to him for a fucking week straight.

                1. I cannot fathom that WK2 might not be posting in good faith.

                2. Actually, I have not. It was the first time anybody mentioned the CNN article to me. But you are really good at retelling events the you want without regard for whether your retelling is true.

                    1. When all other efforts have been defeated…play dumb!

            3. More tiresome lies from WK. and water is wet.

        2. “Everyone else has no reason to lie to themselves about the plain truth of a police officer being killed by the mob.”

          Is it written that TDS-addled shits are *required* to lie?
          According to every source I’ve seen, he died of a stroke a day later, you pathetic pile of lefty shit.

          1. Died of a stroke, which is a broken blood vessel in the head. Yeah, you are really making a powerful argument that his death had nothing to do with being hit on the head with a heavy metal object.

            Fuck off.

            1. Your game is over, Wormtongue.

              ““medical examiners did not find signs that the officer sustained any blunt force trauma, so investigators believe that early reports that he was fatally struck by a fire extinguisher are not true.””

              https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/02/02/politics/brian-sicknick-charges/index.html

              1. Same article. They think he may have been killed as side effects from being pepper sprayed. Funny you leave that part out.

                You are disingenuous as hell.

                1. So are you. You seem to be assuming with little or no evidence that he died because of injuries received during the riot. I thought that was true at first when the fire extinguisher story was the news.
                  And even if he did die because of the riot, saying that 5 died in the riot is disingenuous bullshit. Two people at most were killed. One deliberately for sure and one possibly by accident and possibly from unrelated causes.

            2. About the 20th time you’ve had this linked to you chipper.

              1. Actually, the first, but tell your tales.

            3. Take a rusty chain saw up the ass, lying TDS-adddled lefty shit.
              Only lefty shits like you keep repeating that lie.

        3. That is a lie. That officer was not killed by the mob, that much has been confirmed.

          1. No, it has not been confirmed.

            He obviously died as a consequence of the riots. Anyone who isn’t addled by alt-right thought can plainly see his death isn’t just some coincidence.

            1. Bullshit. It is not obvious at all. We have very little information to go on. It is not reasonable to assume any conclusion like that. It is certainly possible, but since the original, somewhat plausible mechanism for his injury has turned out not to be true, it is hardly obvious.

      2. I know, right? Reason should avoid making factually correct statements about the riot if it means right-wing snowflakes would be triggered. Don’t they read the comments? Why can’t they be more sensitive to the feelings of right-wingers?

        1. Especially since the right-wing commenters go out of their way during webathons to brag how they are not going to contribute anything and complain about how shitty Reason is.

          Why in the world does Reason ignore the feelings of such strong Reason boosters.

          1. OK, you two. Can we assume that your logic leads to the conclusion that any deaths, connected in any way, to protest activities is cause to condemn such activities? And even prohibit future activities?

            1. It’s the same fifty-center, samefagging propaganda.

              1. Fuck off, eh.

            2. “Protest activities”? Breaking into the Capitol building, beating cops with metal poles and throwing fire extinguishers at them, crushing them in doors, pepper spraying them? Carting around Molotov cocktails in your pickup truck?

              It is reprehensible how dismissive the alt-right commenters here of an attack on the Capitol, and how they suddenly don’t care about police officers.

              1. You still did not answer.

                Would you ban, or prosecute participants, involved in any protest that includes breaking into and damaging federal or other government buildings, physically assaulting police (including potentially toxic materials or technology like lasers), or showing up with weapons of any kind?

        2. Undeniable proof every the headline is a lie and still the DENIERS point fingers and say, “factually correct statements”….

          PROJECTION at it’s finest.

        3. Lol. Another leftist liar who had had the cnn article linked for him. You want to know why people call you a lefty shit? You repeat lies that even the left media retracts on.

        4. Since you brought up my name below in a desperate attempt to pretend you aren’t a lowly paid lefty schill…

          chemjeff radical individualist
          February.9.2021 at 8:56 am
          What is there to talk about?

          From a libertarian perspective, Ashli Babbett was trespassing, and the officers were totally justified to shoot trespassers. Again from a libertarian perspective, the officers would have been justified in shooting every single trespasser. That would not have been wise or prudent, of course.

          They were all trespassers trying to be where they weren’t supposed to be.

          1. Go ahead and keep copy-pasting that. It only makes you look like a petty mean-spirited troll. What I said is absolutely correct, despite your attempts to twist it into something I didn’t say.

            1. If a cop shot somebody for merely trespassing, they should be fired and criminally prosecuted.

              1. FROM A LIBERTARIAN PERSPECTIVE, on what basis?

              2. In the middle of a riot with a whole mob storming through the doors, threatening the Congress members, Vice President, and staff that the cop is supposed to be protecting?

                1. You lost twat.

                  It’s over.

                  You and your little gang of sock cunts can fuck off.

            2. It makes you look like an idiot, not him.

      3. And then turning around and writing stories about Media Disinformation re: Slate Star Codex

    2. Reason repeats this lie on a daily basis.

      1. Reason repeats the big lie often.

        1. The most relevant BIG LIE is detailed below!

          Orange-dick-suckers will NEVER stop sucking orange dick!
          Der TrumpfenFuhrer ***IS*** responsible for agitating for democracy to be replaced by mobocracy!
          https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/24/politics/trump-election-warnings-leaving-office/index.html
          A list of the times Trump has said he won’t accept the election results or leave office if he loses

          Essential heart and core of the LIE by Trump: “ANY election results not confirming MEEE as Your Emperor, MUST be fraudulent!”
          September 13 rally: “The Democrats are trying to rig this election because that’s the only way they’re going to win,” he said.
          Trump’s constant re-telling and supporting the Big Lie (any election not electing Trump is “stolen”) set up the environment for this (insurrection riot) to happen. He shares the blame. Boys will be boys? Insurrectionists will be insurrectionists, trumpanzees gone apeshit will be trumpanzees gone apeshit, so let’s forgive and forget? Poor Trump was misunderstood? Does that sound good and right and true?

          It really should immediately make us think of Krystallnacht. Hitler and the NAZIs set up for this by constantly blaming Jews for all things bad. Jew-haters will be Jew-haters, so let’s forgive and forget? Poor Hitler was misunderstood? Does that sound good and right and true?

          1. Everyone saw the fix coming from miles away Sqrlsy. I said a thousand times here in the lead-up to the election that the insane rule changes were setting up for blatant fraud. The whole thing was obviously a fucking pantomime as early as last March.

            You yourself know that that election was a fiddle, and one day you’re going to hate yourself for having lied so much about it.

            1. Very soon now… Our Dear Leader the Great Whitish-Orangish Pumpkin-Father Der TrumpfenFuhrer will FOREVER DEFEAT voter fraud, and RISE from the political dead!

              Hurry up and get your hotel tickets really quickly now! Dear Leader is coming back from the political dead!
              https://www.businessinsider.com/trumps-dc-hotel-hiking-rates-qanon-think-sworn-march-4-2021-2
              Trump’s DC hotel is hiking prices for March 4, the day QAnon followers think the former president will be sworn in

              I hear that P T Barnum is probably gonna be there too!

              1. One day you’re going to hate yourself for having lied so much about it.

                1. No he won’t, he’ll pretend it didn’t happen.

            2. The fix in advance?! Trump started claiming a stolen election from mail-in vote fraud months in advance of the election.

                1. Indeed. Lots of people saw it coming. Including most of the honest people here. Which does not include Pedo Jeffy, WK, Sarc, Buttplug, etc.. they are prog shills and inveterate liars.

    3. Bullshit. An officer who was hit on the head with a heavy metal object and died from brain injuries soon after. Go to hell with your dismissive fables.

      1. no, he wasn’t. Stop saying stupid things. Even CNN says you’re full of shit: https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/02/politics/brian-sicknick-charges/index.html

        1. Here’s the relevant bit from Wareagle’s link:

          “According to one law enforcement official, medical examiners did not find signs that the officer sustained any blunt force trauma, so investigators believe that early reports that he was fatally struck by a fire extinguisher are not true.

          One possibility being considered by investigators is that Sicknick became ill after interacting with a chemical irritant like pepper spray or bear spray that was deployed in the crowd. But investigators reviewing video of the officer’s time around the Capitol haven’t been able to confirm that in tape that has been recovered so far, the official said.

          The case could also be complicated if Sicknick had a preexisting medical condition. It could not be learned if he did.”

          —-CNN

          Looks like blunt force trauma has been ruled out.

          Meanwhile, there’s no doubt that Ashli Babbitt was shot by a cop, and shooting unarmed protesters for trespassing on public property is unjustified.

          1. CNN is just playing to their alt-right viewers.

            1. Both of them?

          2. Looks like blunt force trauma has been ruled out.

            Well, only if you believe Fake News Enemy Of The People CNN, quoting an “anonymous law enforcement official” which really just means that they made shit up.

            Or, we take as the gospel truth what any credentialed reporter says, and if that reporter quotes anonymous sources, it must be as a result of rigorous painstaking professional work that dare not be ever challenged.

            Isn’t that how media literacy works nowadays? Take an article that says things that you don’t like, and find 100 reasons to trash it and to continue to believe what you always believed anyway? Or, take an article that you says things that you like, and find 100 reasons to present it as The Truth with a Capital T, ignoring any questions of doubt, so as to continue to believe what you always believed anyway?

            News articles don’t inform anymore, they either (1) confirm your pre-existing biases on the subject by telling you something you want to hear, or (2) confirm your pre-existing biases against the media source by documenting one more way why the media sucks when they publish rubbish articles like the one you just read.

            Truth of the matter is, very little OFFICIAL word has been presented on how Sicknick died.

            To date, little information has been shared publicly about the circumstances of the death of the 13-year veteran of the police force, including any findings from an autopsy that was conducted by DC’s medical examiner.

            Maybe the best course of action at this point is to withhold judgment until we have an official, on-the-record, documented statement from the relevant medical authorities about his precise cause of death and why he collapsed after the riot.

            Or, you can take an anonymous source from Fake News CNN and you can use it to confirm your pre-existing bias that Fake News CNN is a bunch of liars for repeating the claim that the protestors killed Sicknick with a fire extinguisher.

            1. CNN? The media source that AllSides rates as hard left?

            2. Or, we can assume that if he did die from blunt force trauma, CNN would be screaming about it.

              1. We might note, too, that getting stuff wrong, in the beginning, is what the press is really good at doing–with their early coverage of the Columbine massacre being an excellent example.

                “But for most Americans on the 10th anniversary of that tragedy, those images are still seared into their collective consciousness: two bullied outcasts, clad in trench coats, seeking revenge on “jocks” and minorities.

                Today many still cling to myths about how the shootings happened, what motivated the killers and how to make schools safe, as survivors have tried to make sense of their own lives.”

                —-ABC News, “Surviving Columbine: What We Got Wrong”

                https://abcnews.go.com/Health/MindMoodNews/story?id=7363898&page=1

                Rewriting the Constitution based on what people thought they knew about Columbine didn’t make any sense then, and impeaching an ex-president and purging social media of Republican voices because of what people think they know about the Capitol riot doesn’t make any sense now.

                P.S. Trespassing on public property doesn’t justify shooting unarmed protesters.

                1. But, Ken, the further we descend into governing by feelings the less facts matter, even among those who are not deliberately deceitful. The concept of willful ignorance does not correctly describe these emotion addicts. Many probably do know something truthful about past and current events (not to mention economics, science, etc.) but see the world and issues only through instinctive gut feel.

                  1. It’s cultivated mass psychosis, and it may just be capable of dwarfing the atrocities and body count of the 20th century.

            3. Remember how Chemjeff pranced around telling us all that if he was wrong he’d admit it?

              What a fucking fraud. Narrative über alles.
              When even the DNC’s house organ starts to contradict you, you should consider asking your handlers for an updated talking points memo.

            4. Holy shit youre retarded. CNN was used so you would believe it and stop repeating the lie you keep pushing along with the other lefty shits.

        2. I stand corrected on his being killed by being hit worth a fire extinguisher.

          He still clearly died a a result of the rioting mob. There is no way it is just a coincidence, and it is reprehensible for alt-right commenters here to imply that it is just a coincidence.

          1. You were absolutely certain, then proven wrong, again, but you’re still certain. It’s amusing Dee.

            1. There is no way it was just a coincidence that he died after the riot, nor that it was a coincidence even for the officers who committed suicide.

              It is disgusting how the alt-righters here ignore what happened and spin their excuses.

              1. The White Knight II: The White Knight Rises!
                February.13.2021 at 11:32 am
                I stand corrected on his being killed by being hit worth a fire extinguisher.

                1. Yes, but the death is clearly a consequence of the riots. Just possibly not from being hit by a fire extinguisher.

                  1. It was clearly caused by being hit from a fire extinguisher until it wasn’t.

                    1. It was a “largely riot-related death”?

          2. People riot for all sorts of reasons.

            Donald Trump losing was one of them. The Republicans losing the senate race was another reason. The contempt with which the media and progressives treat average Americans is another. The fear that Biden and the Democrats will impose the Green New Deal, come after their gun rights, and pack the Supreme Court is another. The pandemic and the lockdowns are another reason contributing to why people riot.

            The downsides of impeaching Trump outweigh the upsides of impeaching Trump by far anyway, and if the Senate were to actually convict him, the downsides would become even greater.

            1. People riot for all sorts of reasons.

              Yeah, Donald Trump led a months-long campaign casting doubt on the integrity of the election process itself, propagated lies about election fraud, stoked ridiculous fears about what would happen if Biden actually won, urged people to come to DC on Jan. 6 as, what they believed, was the “last chance” to stop Biden from winning, told his supporters to “fight like hell” because otherwise they were going to lose their country, but yeah, we have no idea why the riots broke out. No idea at all. Could have been the weather! Who’s to say? These things just happen.

              1. Hitler did NOT die by suicide! He was stabbed in the back by cowardly Jews! Eyewitness Alex Jones told me so!

                1. This is fucked up even for you sarcasmic.

                  1. Sarc’s recent “flagged” fiasco has him even more broken than before.

                2. Cripes, now the antisemitism comes out. Truly evil of you Sqrlsy.

                  1. That’s a save worthy comment for sure.

              2. “Donald Trump led a months-long campaign casting doubt on the integrity of the election process itself”

                There was no election for him to lose. Or win.
                The election was a bloody pantomime. In many states it was faker than anything the Cubans ever did.
                Everyone saw the fix coming from as early as last March. As soon as some of the stupider mail-in rules cropped up I was warning it was being kayfabed right here in the comments.

                You spent four years squealing about peeing Russian hookers, and now when confronted with blatant electoral anomalies you ignore them.
                It’s obvious what you are.

                1. “Donald Trump led a months-long campaign casting doubt on the integrity of the election process itself”

                  —-ChemJeff

                  ChemJeff, apparently, can’t tell the difference between questioning the election results and inciting violence, and that’s probably because he’s not very smart.

                  Occam’s razor–is there a simpler explanation?

                  1. Why don’t you argue honestly, Ken? Is it because you are too heavily invested in calling me a mental defective and otherwise engaging in trolling behavior, just like the right-wing Tulpas around here?

                    ONCE AGAIN, because you appear to be the slow one here: If ALL TRUMP DID was file a lawsuit or two, and lose, there would be no issue. If ALL TRUMP DID was give one speech, there would be no issue. It is the SUM TOTAL of all of his activities and antics that led to the deadly Jan. 6 riot. It was his dedicated campaign of questioning the validity not just of the results, but the electoral process itself; repeating lie after lie about it; stoking unjustified fears about what would happen if Biden actually won; encouraging his supporters to come to DC on Jan. 6 for a “wild” protest; and then telling them, point blank, that if you don’t “fight” for your country, you will lose it. The entire picture put together is far more damning than the individual instances and episodes that you are deliberately cherry-picking in order to make Trump’s actions seem more benign than they actually were.

                    1. Der TrumpfenFuhrer ***IS*** responsible for agitating for democracy to be replaced by mobocracy!
                      https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/24/politics/trump-election-warnings-leaving-office/index.html
                      A list of the times Trump has said he won’t accept the election results or leave office if he loses

                      Essential heart and core of the LIE by Trump: “ANY election results not confirming MEE as Your Emperor, MUST be fraudulent!”
                      September 13 rally: “The Democrats are trying to rig this election because that’s the only way they’re going to win,” he said.

                      And there you have it!

                    2. If only the FBI had just trolled an informant or two. If only Congress had passed a resolution saying Trump made them sad. If only the media had published news, instead of “Russia, Russia, Russia!”

                    3. He does argue honestly, you don’t. Go away. Forever.

                  2. Ken, read what Mother’s wrote directly above. That is not “questioning election results”. Mother’s is full-on spouting conspiracy theories.

                    1. The question was whether Trump incited violence, and my answer was that there’s a difference between questioning the election results and inciting violence–that ChemJeff apparently doesn’t understand. Please tell me you understand that what Trump said either incited violence or not regardless of what Mother’s Lament believes or says. The goalposts are staying put.

                    2. Progressives are willfully obtuse. It’s a hallmark of their progtardery.

              3. Democrats certainly led a months long riot you defended.

                1. And here comes Mr. Deflection, right on cue.

                  1. You are lying about events to push a narrative. The cnn article is now a week old. Yet you continue to push the lie. You were told of this lie nearly a month ago. You blindly parrot whatever the leftist narrative is. When you are found out you retreat to sophist arguments. Youre an idiot plain and simple.

                    1. You are lying about events to push a narrative.

                      No, Jesse, that’s your job.

                      The cnn article is now a week old.

                      You mean the CNN Fake News article quoting an anonymous source? Huh. Funny how quickly you accept at face value Fake News Enemy of the People CNN Quoting Anonymous Sources. I wonder why that is.

                      You’re a right-wing shill Jesse. Every single day. It is fucking obnoxious and old.

                  2. I thought pointing out you’re a lying hypocrite was called whataboutism.

                    1. You’re still Troll Mac.

                    2. And you’re still a liar.

                    3. No, R Mac is good, and you’re evil. All you do is troll.

                2. Cite of any of us, me, chemjeff, SQRLSY defending left-wing riots?

          3. Bitch, you’ve been shrieking that for weeks with no actual evidence that was the case.

            Now fuck off back to your hole, you useless protoplasm.

            1. In all seriousness, I wonder if stuff like this can be blamed on censorship by social media.

              Are people on social media allowed to make statements in defense of the rioters?

              Have the people who might have made the case against something like this been deplatformed?

              The negative consequences of purging social media of voices that disagree with us are not theoretical, and those real negative consequences materialize in us not hearing things we would have heard were it not for the censorship.

          4. Sicknick called his brother after the largely peaceful protest on Jan 6 at the Capitol, and told him that he felt fine. The next day Sicknick died, and several anonymous Capitol police were reported as saying he died from a stroke.

            So of course, Nancy Pelosi and other House Dems publicly claimed Sicknick died because of violence and being hit with a fire extinguisher. Pelosi even waited a month after Sicknick died to bring his ashes to the Capitol so she and other Dems (and their left wing media propagandists) could falsely blame Trump and Trump supporters for causing Sicknick’s death.

            1. You’re right. It was all just a coincidence.

              His text that he “felt fine” was the same as a medical diagnosis of perfect health.

              1. Or “he felt fine” because he felt fine.

                You’re starting to reach now that your lies are unraveling. No fifty cents for you.

              2. Strokes happen suddenly all the time dumbass. You prefer correlation when coincidence is far more likely. You’ve been pushing lies for over a month now. You should feel embarrassed but you mistake that feeling for hunger.

                1. Feeding his embarrassment with cookies all his life explains his obesity.

                2. You’re right. It was all just a coincidence.

                  I mean, there’s video of him getting hit in the head with a fire extinguisher.

                  https://nypost.com/2021/01/11/video-shows-capitol-rioter-hit-officer-with-fire-extinguisher/

                  Sure. Just a coincidence.

                  1. Apparently it does not as the doctor indicates that there was zero evidence of trauma.

                  2. You just can’t stop lying, huh.

                    From your own link:

                    “Moments later, a rioter tosses the fire extinguisher toward a group of officers below, striking one on the helmet. It’s unclear if the cop who was plunked was Capitol Police Officer Brian Sicknick, 42.”

                    It’s pretty clear now that the officer who got the fire extinguisher thrown at him wasn’t Sicknick.

                    1. It is not clear at all.

                    2. I was under the impression an officer was repeatedly bludgeoned to death.

                      I know who the liars are.

                3. We shouldn’t even mention that, sometimes, the stroke victim does not even know they had a stroke. Somebody with him notices the change in speech et al.

                  1. It is not a big stretch, and is a very logical inference, to suggest:

                    – Guy gets hit in the head with heavy object
                    – Guy has a stroke, which is caused by a blood clot in the brain

                    that the two events are related.

                    1. Except now it’s been determined that the police officer who had the fire extinguisher thrown at him wasn’t Sicknick, and I’m pretty sure you’ve already heard that, so now you’re just lying.

                    2. No, -might not- be Sicknick. You are already spinning.

              3. It suits Godshall’s dismissive purposes.

            2. Biden and them ALSO called the police bigots and racists the next day.

              Let’s not forget that.

          5. You are a stupid bitch. Always needing to be corrected

          6. You lying fuck. You’ve had that article presented to you a dozen times and you continued pushing the false narrative. And even when shown to be a lying fuck you claim you were still accurate. God damn lefty shit.

          7. “He still clearly died a a result of the rioting mob.”

            Based on what evidence? We don’t even know HOW we died. Much less who did it.

            1. Suddenly, your bar for evidence is super high. He was fighting a mob all day and dies of a stroke soon after — no way that is related!

              1. “…He was fighting a mob all day and dies of a stroke soon after — no way that is related!”

                Even for a TDS-addled lying lefty shit like you, that’s a stretch.
                Maybe he died as a result of the reports he had to file, you steaming pile of shit.

              2. This is literally one of the stupidest arguments you’ve ever made, and it’s not like there isn’t a wealth of riches to choose from.

          8. “…He still clearly died a a result of the rioting mob…”

            You are still a lying, TDS-addled lefty shit; he did nothing of the sort.

          9. No comment on the cops murdered by BLM & Co over the summer, egged on by the very politicians seeking to impeach Trump (and failing again).

            Thought not…

      2. “Law enforcement officials initially said Mr. Sicknick was struck with a fire extinguisher, but weeks later, police sources and investigators were at odds over whether he was hit. Medical experts have said he did not die of blunt force trauma, according to one law enforcement official.” – https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/08/us/brian-sicknick-police-capitol-dies.html

        Investigators still seem to have no idea why he died, and no specific description of injuries: https://www.kcra.com/article/investigators-struggle-to-build-murder-case-in-death-of-us-capitol-police-officer-brian-sicknick/35397426

      3. “Go to hell with your dismissive fables.”

        Called on your bullshit yet once more, steaming pile of lefty shit.

      4. Bullshit. An officer who was hit on the head with a heavy metal object and died from brain injuries soon after. Go to hell with your dismissive fables.

        No he didn’t. That has been absolutely confirmed.

        1. He was hit in the head with a fire extinguisher.
          He didn’t die from blunt force trauma.
          That is all that has been “confirmed”.

          1. 1) Very much not confirmed
            2) Confirmed by the standards of media for the last 4 yrs.

          2. “He was hit in the head with a fire extinguisher.”

            Remember, this was your link:

            “Moments later, a rioter tosses the fire extinguisher toward a group of officers below, striking one on the helmet. It’s unclear if the cop who was plunked was Capitol Police Officer Brian Sicknick, 42.”

    4. I would love to see the usual suspects around here write a sentence the way they think it ought to be written, describing the fatalities that occurred in connection with the riot.

      It would probably be something like:

      “There was a riot on Jan. 6. Period, the end. Oh, some people died? Well we have no idea if it was in connection with the riot or not. These things happen.”

      “There was a riot on Jan. 6. There was this one officer, who just happened to be at the riot, who was injured at the riot, who collapsed later that night, who died the next day. We have no idea how he died or if it had anything to do with the riot. Because I did not observe every detail of this event and I do not know with 10,000% certainty how he died, it would be irresponsible to make any sort of logical connection between the riots and his death.”

      “There was a riot on Jan. 6. Some people say there was an officer who died as a result of being struck on the head, but that is Fake News. What really happened was that an Antifa guy showed up and murdered the officer with his bare hands and framed patriotic peaceful Trump protestors. Why won’t the corrupt Deep State get to the bottom of this?”

      1. “who was injured at the riot”

        See how he slips a little lie in, thinking that we won’t notice and will just accept his narrative as an accurate summation of events.

        1. One of things that makes slow people slow is their inability to be persuaded by facts and reasoning.

          Anyone who doesn’t learn from the facts, reason, and their mistakes is probably a slow person.

          “Ferrous Cranus is utterly impervious to reason, persuasion and new ideas, and when engaged in battle he will not yield an inch in his position regardless of its hopelessness. Though his thrusts are decisively repulsed, his arguments crushed in every detail and his defenses demolished beyond repair he will remount the same attack again and again with only the slightest variation in tactics.”

          https://www.flamewarriorsguide.com/warriorshtm/ferouscranus.htm

          I’ve heard it said there were monks who copied manuscripts but didn’t understand the language they were copying. Imagine if they could repeat the sounds of the words without understanding what they mean, and that’s what we’re getting with ChemJeff.

          Except, ChemJeff isn’t only explaining things to us that he read elsewhere and doesn’t really understand. He also doesn’t understand the logic or the facts–or why the logic and the facts should matter.

          1. “Ferrous Cranus is utterly impervious to reason, persuasion and new ideas, and when engaged in battle he will not yield an inch in his position regardless of its hopelessness. Though his thrusts are decisively repulsed, his arguments crushed in every detail and his defenses demolished beyond repair he will remount the same attack again and again with only the slightest variation in tactics.”

            Gee, this is a pretty accurate description of certain individuals around here who post 5,000 word comments on article after article that are barely changed from one to the next. He’s also a pompous asshole and dehumanizes the people who disagree with him. Anyone know who that is?

            1. Ken just describes you well. He doesn’t need to change the verbiage as you do not change yourself at all so the original post STILL describes you well.

            2. First he criticizes one poster (R Mac?) for being pithy and now he whines because of Ken’s comprehensive responses.

              Why don’t you just be honest and say you’re furious because he’s exposing you as a fool. What a piece of shit you are.

              1. The beauty of Lying Jeffy is you can make him look stupid with a few words, but you can also go into detail about his stupidity for added entertainment.

        2. Even Sicknick himself admitted via text he was hit in the face with pepper spray. Was Sicknick lying? Is that not an injury?

          No really, instead of just bitching about it, why don’t you tell us how you would summarize the situation on Jan. 6 vis a vis Sicknick, in a way that you think it ought to be done.

          1. “Even Sicknick himself admitted via text he was hit in the face with pepper spray.”

            …but no mention of a fire extinguisher hitting him in the head? You’d think that’d have warranted a notice by him.

            Note: You’re going on and on about an extinguisher. The cops were known to have used tear gas and the mostly peaceful protesters threw them back at them.

            1. Let’s just cut to the chase, shall we?

              damikesc:
              “Sicknick wasn’t killed by the mob, he had a stroke, totally unconnected to the riot WHATSOEVER, and if you suggest that, you are carrying water for left-wingers and you are triggering me and making me angry and sad.

              “If CNN reports tomorrow that Sicknick’s death was in any way connected to the riot, I will say that it is because CNN is Fake News and the Enemy of the People, even though I spent the last week using CNN as an authoritative source when I thought that Sicknick’s death wasn’t due to being hit in the head.

              “If CNN reports tomorrow that Sicknick’s death was absolutely not connected to the riot, then I will take CNN’s reporting as the Gospel Truth and I will criticize anyone who suggests otherwise as a left-wing troll who hates Republicans and hates America.

              Oh, and I’m also going to murder a few progressives while I’m at it.”

              That about cover it?

              1. Your state of being is: dumpster fire

              2. So even if Pravda in Atlanta give up the old narrative as false, you’re going to stick with the lie, even though you know it’s a lie.

                Whew lad, you must be popular with cult leaders.

          2. Holy shit Jeff, just like that the goalposts go flying from trauma by fire extinguisher to pepper spray.

            Hey Dee, Lying Jeffy doesn’t agree with the fire extinguisher narrative anymore, you should argue with him about it!

            1. The “goalposts” were that he was injured. WHICH IS TRUE. It was everyone else who moved the goalposts to “nuh-uh, no fire extinguisher therefore no injury”.

      2. You forget emphasizing what an innocent victim Babbitt [sp?] was. And how the rioters “just walked around and stayed inside the ropes”.

        1. “You forget emphasizing what an innocent victim Babbitt [sp?] was…”

          Fortunately, a TDS-addled lefty shit did so.

    5. Brian Sicknick – struck in the head with fire extinguisher and sprayed with Bear Spray. Cause of death not release/determine yet.
      Ashli Babbitt – shot as she assaulted the Capitol.
      Kevin Greeson – heart attack.
      Rosanne Boyland – crushed in stampede.
      Benjamin Philips – stroke.

      So 1 heart attack. But still adds up to 5. Not bad for 4 hrs of work eh? tRump… winning!

    6. Reason went from a librarian magazine to another political liar.
      Can you ever trust Reason again? I cannot.
      I don’t care what any House Rep or Senator “thinks”.
      The question under the “Articles of Impeachment” was did Trump incite a riot. The evidence proved he did not. That is all that matters, that is the only question to be answered. Anyone that voted “Yes” is just a partisan hack and known liar.

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    8. Everyone who died in this “riot” was a Trump supporter.

      I don’t find Meijer’s reasons compelling, and IMHO he’s falling into the trap of a libertarian seeking favorable attention from the MSM that will soon turn on him, just as it did for Amish. Meanwhile, he’ll lose support from many of the people, who don’t identify as libertarians, and who voted for him, because he supported Trump until he got into office. Trump’s actions were very libertarian IMHO, considering he’s fighting a Congress that’s dominated by statists. As a libertarian, Meijer’s actions sadden me.

      Seems like DC corrupted Meijer in record time, and he didn’t have to do it. Meijer would have done better, saying he’ll vote to convict Trump, provided they also impeach Pelosi, Schumer and Harris for inciting riots, with the same due process offered Trump.

  2. Impeaching Trump the second time in the service of some greater principle might have made sense if Trump were still in office. What about the principles he’s throwing under the bus by voting to impeach Trump after he is no longer in office? Whatever other principles he thinks he’s serving, he’s also siding with the elitists to tell the voters in his district whom they can and can’t elect as president in 2024–and there isn’t anything libertarian about elitism.

    Authoritarianism is when the government forces people to do things against their will. Libertarianism is the idea that people should be free to make choices for themselves. The voters should be free to elect whomever they please in the future without the permission of this politician and others like him in the Senate. Inserting himself between the voters and the candidates they’re allowed to choose exposes him as an unprincipled elitist–whether he realizes it or not.

    Meanwhile, populism, in all its forms, from left to right, is always a reaction to elitism. By impeaching Trump, the elitists think they’re rebuking the kind of populism that infiltrated the Republican party, but what they’re really doing is throwing kerosene on the populist fire. If he stayed up all night trying to think of new and better ways to make sure the Republicans nominate a populist in 2024, he couldn’t come up with anything better than impeaching Trump after he was no longer in office and convicting him in the Senate.

    On the other hand, if he wanted to see the Republican party go back to being more about liberty and free enterprise and less about populism, he should have started arguing for freedom and representing the views of his constituents–instead of abusing his power to impose his own views on them.

    1. Six minutes ago, McConnell told his Republicans colleges in the Senate that he will vote to acquit Donald Trump.

      https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/mcconnell-tells-gop-colleagues-he-will-vote-acquit-trump-n1257823

      That almost certainly means the game is over.

      1. of course, they’ll acquit. Everyone knew how the drama would end.

        1. I don’t think Liz Cheney and Justin Amash realized they were committing political suicide when they jumped off the bridge. Everyone else may have known it, but if they realized it, they probably wouldn’t have jumped. It should have been clear to them that the Senate wouldn’t convict, too–they jumped off the bridge anyway. Don’t jump, Justin!

          This guy watched Justin Amash jump off the bridge, go splat at the bottom, and then did more or less the exact same thing.

          At a time when the Democrats are purging social media and the public square of conservative voices and treating the 70% of Republicans who don’t believe the election was free and fair like Al Qaeda, he sided with the elitists against average Republicans everywhere–and in his district–despite knowing that the Senate probably wouldn’t convict.

          When the Tea Party rose up against John Boehner, Boehner didn’t seem to understand what it meant. He got up in front of the House all teary-eyed, like him winning was a personal achievement or something. The reason all those freshman were elected, Mr. Boehner, was to get you for voting for TARP. They’re not here to support you. Can’t you see the writing on the wall, Mr. Boehner? They’re here for your Speaker’s chair. They’re not here for you.

          1. “How do you shoot the devil in the back? What if you miss?”

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBeyAxVbI68

          2. that’s the problem with being in the bubble – people like Cheney and Amash are unable to see beyond the Beltway, to normal people who don’t much care for Congressional dick measuring. It’s just amazing. A private citizen is being tried. The judge is a sitting Senator from the opposition party and he may well be a witness, too. Because that happens all the time in court proceedings.

            1. At least in one-party nations.

          3. I’d be shocked if Peter Meijer wins the 2022 GOP primary election (same with Liz Cheney and most other House GOP members who voted to impeach Trump).

            So why has Reason published three articles in three weeks praising the previously unknown Meijer? The correct answer is because Meijer voted to impeach Trump, and because Reason cannot move beyond it terminal case of TDS.

            1. Reason is nothing but a thinly veiled mouthpiece for the totalitarian Party/State.

              1. Ding ding ding!

            2. Reason cannot move beyond it terminal case of TDS.
              +1000000000;;; So well said.

      2. And now Bidens 100 days are ruined as democrats opened up the witness lists. It shocked Schumer. The trump defense said their list was 100 people long. Democrats are going to try to quick start rules now to limit numbers, but that wasn’t the agreement at the outset. Lol.

        1. We talked about this yesterday.

          “We may look back on these pointless impeachment proceedings as a blessing that should have been dragged out longer. Every second Congress spends debating something that doesn’t matter is another second they could have spent pushing the Green New Deal, pushing for Medicaid for All, packing the Court, pushing for gun control, etc. Biden’s first 100 days are ticking away. When that time is up, the likelihood of the progressives getting anything permanent through Congress starts to fade.

          https://reason.com/2021/02/12/u-s-used-facial-recognition-on-millions-of-air-travelers-last-year-found-no-imposters/#comment-8758465

          Drag it out, the longer the better!

          1. And before the end of the year he’ll change that to forever.

    2. Reading “Profiles in Courage” may inspire different folks to do different things. Virtue Signaling? Standing up for American principles? Sticking a moist finger in the wind?

      1. You know who else courageously ignored what the people wanted?

    3. I like how you wrote about 500 words there but never managed to express any concern about Trump’s attempt to get Pence to ignore the Constitution, nor his rally attended forming a mob and invading the Capitol building. You might want to ponder the implications of those two things for liberty in this nation, too.

      1. You’re flailing.

        1) It’s unclear that Trump urged Pence to ignore the Constitution. That’s just your opinion. It seems to me that Trump thought there was a legal loophole that would delay certifying the election results.

        2) Trump didn’t urge the crowd to riot. Trump urged them to be peaceful. Blaming Trump for the riot is stealing a base. I maintain that they were mostly reacting to the Senate election results in Georgia from the night before.

        3) The things I wrote about this guy and impeachment are true regardless of whether the things you’re saying are true. Telling Republicans whom they can or can’t nominate is elitist, elitism breeds populism, and using your power to undermine your own constituents’ freedom to make choices for themselves throws kerosene on the fire–regardless of whether that was your favorite point and regardless of whether anything else you’re saying is true.

        1. And we fight. We fight like hell. And if you don’t fight like hell, you’re not going to have a country anymore.

          1. Unprecedented language! Actually standard political speech you dishonest piece of shit.

            1. Trump urged them to be peaceful.

              True or false?

              And we fight. We fight like hell. And if you don’t fight like hell, you’re not going to have a country anymore.

              1. True or False?

                “there will be blood in the streets”Loretta Lynch

                “Who says protests have to be peaceful“Cuomo

                “There needs to be unrest in the streets”Ayanna Pressley

                “Protesters should not give up”Kamala Harris

                “I just don’t know why they aren’t uprising all over this country“Nancy Pelosi

                “You get out and create a crowd and you push back on them, tell them they are not welcome“Maxine Waters

                “Go home with love and peace, remember this day forever“Donald J Trump

              2. True. Just because you dishonesty left it out of the part of his speech you quoted doesn’t mean he didn’t say it. It just means you are being dishonest. Again.

            2. “Martin Luther King, Jr.: Fighting for Equal Rights in America”

              —-Tolerance dot org.

              https://tolerance.tavaana.org/en/content/martin-luther-king-jr-fighting-equal-rights-america

              Either the people at tolerance dot org don’t know that Martin Luther King was all about non-violence, or this “fight” is typical metaphorical speech in the context of political struggle.

              ChemJeff isn’t trying to be dishonest. He’s just not smart enough to understand what’s being said or why. He doesn’t understand what any of us are saying; he doesn’t understand the pieces we link to; and he doesn’t understand the things he links to or reads. ChemJeff may be 14 years old, but I think it’s more likely that he’s just not very bright.

              1. So right on cue, as further evidence that Ken is descending into right-wing madness, because he cannot substantively address my arguments, he tries to dehumanize me and paint me as some sort of mental defective. That is what totalitarian regimes all over the world do. The “enemies of the state” aren’t just rabble-rousers, they are subhuman! They belong in prison for trying to spread their degenerate ways throughout the right-thinking society of decent folks! They belong in mental hospitals ‘for their own good’ because their thoughts are clearly dangerous! You’re falling right in line with the goose-stepping totalitarians when you engage in these tactics yourself.

                In case it wasn’t entirely obvious, it was not JUST using the word “fight” in a sentence that made it so dangerous. It was his inflammatory words, ALONG WITH his prediction of dire consequences of “losing the country” if they didn’t fight, ALONG WITH his months-long campaign of painting Biden as NOT JUST an illegitimate usurper, but the harbinger of Republic-destroying communism or something if he did win. From the sum total of all of Trump’s propaganda, they could be forgiven from believing that if they DIDN’T storm the capitol as their final last attempt to stop the peaceful transition of power, America as they knew it would be fundamentally gone forever and that their literal lives were at stake as Biden would start the construction of the gulags forthwith.

                And you are overly simplifying MLK’s legacy by attempting to paint him as someone who was supposedly some absolute pacifist or something. His protest tactics were of course all about non-violent protest, but that is not the same that he always eschewed violence in every case. Read this for example:

                https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/04/kings-message-of-nonviolence-has-been-distorted/557021/

                King’s progression from owning “an arsenal” of guns in defense of himself and his family to advocacy for total nonviolence became overshadowed both by his own nonviolent rhetoric and his opponents’ motives. But like many Southern black people, he armed himself before the 1960s against violent attacks by white supremacists. His nonviolent resistance never meant private abandonment of self-defense or even complete conversion to pacifism. And it certainly did not commit future activists to nonviolence or love by association.

                Even among MLK’s own associates there was a split, about whether nonviolent protest was the morally correct thing to do, or simply the most expedient thing to do, and the nonviolence should be abandoned once the protests weren’t effective anymore. That is also part of MLK’s overall legacy, which is largely forgotten. So fuck you for trying to corrupt his legacy with shallow one-dimensional ‘analysis’, you little totalitarian.

                1. This doesn’t relate to the fact that tolerance dot org wasn’t suggesting that MLK’s “fight” for equal rights was violent, but ChemJeff doesn’t understand that because he’s not very bright.

                  1. He’s watching his narrative collapse so he’s starting to panic.

                  2. I’m not suggesting that either! If all Trump had did was utter that one line, then there would be no issue whatsoever. But he didn’t. That was just the final chapter in the saga. You cannot or will not see that, because you are more interested in defending Trump and attacking Democrats instead of seeing the truth.

                    And what you are doing is a rather crass appeal to authority. “Because MLK once used the word ‘fight’, and MLK was nonviolent, therefore, everyone who uses the word ‘fight’ is also nonviolent’? Are you kidding?

                    1. “If all Trump had did was utter that one line, then there would be no issue whatsoever. But he didn’t. That was just the final chapter in the saga.”

                      Which is Jeff’s admission he’s got nothing at all but arm-waving.

                    2. “That was just the final chapter in the saga.”

                      Ooh, it was a saga.
                      Jeff has just upgraded to grandiose liar. No specific instance because it was a saga.

                2. Lol, you are such a psychological train wreck.
                  It’s hilarious

                  1. Whatever you say, Mr. “gulags are right around the corner” Nardz

                    1. Yes, the psychosis you exhibit is the exact kind of moral mania required to support gulag, as Ms. Carano accurately pointed out.

                    2. Nardz, you live in an alternate reality in which Joe Biden is replaced by Joe Stalin.

                    3. Nardz, Gulags were Russion labor camps (actually I think they are technically the government agency that oversaw the labor camps – details details).
                      Carano was doing the typical “I’m the victim” speech suggesting that her plight and the rest of her half witted political compatriots were subject to extermination.
                      I prefer an IQ test before they are aloud to vote….
                      Question 1) If a hand count of ballots match the machine count of ballots, can the machine be throwing votes for one candidate or the other? (yes or no).

          2. Which sounds like the typical political pablum uttered by politicians for decades.

    4. On the other hand, if he wanted to see the Republican party go back to being more about liberty and free enterprise and less about populism, he should have started arguing for freedom and representing the views of his constituents–instead of abusing his power to impose his own views on them.

      Oh I see. So the way for Meijer to convince Republicans to stop being so populist is to behave like a populist himself. What a brilliant strategy!

      How is that MAGA hat fitting, Ken?

      1. You’re a shit-eating moron.

        1. You’re a pretentious pompous asshole.

          1. And you’re a waste of carbon molecules.

            1. At least I don’t harbor violent fantasies against people I don’t like, unlike you.

              1. Lol, the hell you don’t.

              2. I’ll be your huckleberry

              3. You do enough violence to the snack pantry on your own, fat boy.

        2. I disagree, Ken.
          Chemjeff isn’t so stupid as to believe the nonsense he spouts here, not even sarcasmic is that dumb.
          It’s worse than that, he’s a fifty-center. He’s here to push a false narrative and lie.

          1. No, that would be Jesse’s job. Who is clearly a paid GOP shill.

            1. Lol. God damn fatty. You think cops can kill conservatives for trespassing and you present yourself as a libertarian.

              chemjeff radical individualist
              February.9.2021 at 8:56 am
              What is there to talk about?

              From a libertarian perspective, Ashli Babbett was trespassing, and the officers were totally justified to shoot trespassers. Again from a libertarian perspective, the officers would have been justified in shooting every single trespasser. That would not have been wise or prudent, of course.

              They were all trespassers trying to be where they weren’t supposed to be.

              1. You think cops can kill conservatives for trespassing

                And that is you twisting the argument because you are a dishonest GOP shill. I never said anything about cops killing conservatives specifically. That is you in typical victimhood mode.

    5. ” he’s also siding with the elitists to tell the voters in his district whom they can and can’t elect as president in 2024″

      To be sure, he’s also telling the voters in his district who not to elect as THEIR REPRESENTATIVE in 2022.

      Way to rep the L, kid.

    6. Personally I agree with Trump that the Democrats in 6 counties in swing states did steal the election. When they give the same respect to the 400+ affidavits they gave to an affidavit of a second hand witness to Trump’s call with the Ukrainian president, and investigate each just like they investigated Trump, then I’ll be on board. Because then we’ll know they stole the election, or didn’t as the MSM and political class clam, and we’ll have much more secure elections in the future. But the fact they don’t even want to look at any tells me all I need to know: they don’t want it investigated because they know they cheated.

  3. Combatting “crazy” by supporting a partisan impeachment and subsequent trial of a private citizen on the most spurious grounds in the history of this nation? How does that work? Starting off neck deep in an embarrassing political prosecution is neither principled, nor “centrist,” nor a stand for freedom.

    We have enough deluded grifters in Congress. They can keep their principles.

    Meijer can fuck right off.

    1. Yes, it takes amazing political insensibility to declare that the way to help the country become more conservative and principled is to support and empower radical “progressive” socialists.

  4. The main reason (the only practical, non-symbolic reason) to impeach Trump, is to prevent him from assuming high federal political office again. I’m not sure that will actually help much, because, after that (if it does happen), the GOP’s most extremist ideological idiots are likely to usher in Alex Jones as our next POTUS!

    Maybe the best that we can hope for, is for the USA to follow NAZI Germany… Around the extremist and collectivist, uber-nationalistic bend, get SEVERELY knocked on the head for it, and THEN idiots will FINALLY learn! Maybe! Only for another nation to re-do the same stupid tricks in another 70 years? WHEN will humans finally LEARN?!?!

    https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/amberjamieson/arnold-schwarzenegger-capitol-riots-nazis
    Arnold Schwarzenegger Compared The Capitol Rioters To Nazis In A Chilling Video
    “It all started with lies, and lies, and lies, and intolerance.”

    Schwarzenegger is GOP… You assholes gonna “censure” him now?

    Fuck NAZIs!!!!!

    1. “THEN idiots will FINALLY learn!”

      Idiots never learn, Sarc. You should understand that better than anybody.

    2. Schwarzenegger is GOP… You assholes gonna “censure” him now?
      well, he’s a private citizen, not that this would stop Dems from a kangaroo court. What Arnold DID do was confirm what the fired Mandalorian actress was saying.

      1. So now if you compare anyone to Hitler, both right-wing AND left-wing ideological idiots will try to shut you up! NO ONE may be compared to Hitler! Even Hitler may not be compared to Hitler!

        We will be compelled to forget Hitler… So that it can happen again!

        Fortunately, libertarians still believe in free speech… All five remaining libertarians still support free speech!

        1. Too bad you’re no libertarian.

          Real libertarians stand up for freedom of speech regardless of whether the suppressors are individuals, churches, organizations, corporations or governments.
          A legal right is not the same thing as a moral right, O’Brian.

          1. Whenever Mamma goes to church, mosque, temple, synagogue, etc., she grabs the mike, pushes the previous speaker away from the podium, and gives the rest of the sermon, in the name of “free speech”!!!

            All Hail Mamma!!!

  5. “…how he plans to combat the craziness he sees both on the right and left in the House of Representatives.”

    By voting to impeach Trump, right?
    Only takes a week in that place to turn a brain to mush.

  6. Sounds like this principled stand-trial is about to allow a hearsay witness.

    1. After ignoring discovery.

  7. I predict several republicans will get removed in the primary elections in 2022.

    Oh and now they want to drag out this farce of a trial with witnesses.

    What a kangaroo court. Democrats are just pathetic.

    1. “I predict several republicans will get removed”

      Yawn, I predicted the removal of a republican president way back in October 2020. I still don’t get any respect around here.

      1. Did you peg it by fraudulent elections like it turned out to be?

        1. I pegged it to a massive economic downturn, confused response to pandemic, and a public grown tired of the incumbent’s shtick.

          1. Weird, because the incumbent increased his vote total by at least 17%

            1. Apparently 17% wasn’t enough.

              1. Couldn’t override the vote fraud.

                1. Couldn’t pull the troops out of Afghanistan or Iraq, either. But let’s not dwell on his failures. Israelis are quite pleased with the agreements with the Persian Gulf princes. They will be able to travel more cheaply and conveniently.

          2. …yet Biden is taking Trump’s pandemic plans and using them. Not as well, mind you, but Biden has literally zero ideas beyond what Trump gave him.

            1. And yet he won. Maybe that’s why. Putting forth new ideas could expose him to criticism.

              1. What a fucking empty gas bag. Fail as a troll on top of failing as a human.
                Fuck off, you vacuous piece of shit.

              2. Mrtrueman’s worst ever.

                1. I think Biden wanted the election to be a referendum on Trump. That’s why it wasn’t necessary for him to put forth any of his own ideas.

  8. To our right-wing colleagues here:

    Remember the people that you listened to, on social media and elsewhere, who tried to convince you that it was really Antifa behind the riots.

    Remember the people that you listened to, on social media and elsewhere, who tried to bullshit you by appealing to the inappropriate application of mathematical laws, such as Benford’s Law, to try to convince you that the election was fraudulent.

    Remember the people that you listened to, on social media and elsewhere, who tried to convince you that the video from State Farm Arena in Atlanta was ABSOLUTE PROOF that MASSIVE FRAUD was taking place.

    Remember the people that you listened to, on social media and elsewhere, who broadcast and propagandized the sham “election hearings” organized by right-wing groups (outside of legislative chambers or courtrooms) which presented baloney data and bogus interpretations in order to ‘prove’ MASSIVE FRAUD.

    They were all LYING to you. It wasn’t just an honest mistake. They were deliberately telling you lies in order to try to cause you to undermine belief in the electoral process itself, for the sole purpose of maintaining power for themselves, for Trump, and for Team Red broadly. The facts and truth did not matter, all that mattered was power for themselves and their tribe.

    Do not listen to these grifters and charlatans and these liars because they cannot be trusted. They may accidentally stumble on the truth from time to time but they will not inform you or tell you the truth on a routine basis. Their only purpose is propaganda and lies. And if you continue to believe propaganda and lies over the truth, no matter how pleasing the propaganda and lies are, we just can’t live in a shared reality anymore.

    1. I’m not right-wing (as I strongly support legalizing drugs, prostitution, abortion and gay marriage, while opposing religious dictates and propaganda), but I don’t remember any of those things that Jeff claims occurred.

      Seems like Jeff watches Rachel Maddow and Chris Cuomo every night, and actually believes their absurd left wing propaganda.

    2. “To our right-wing colleagues here:”

      Our right wing colleagues are not to be taken seriously. They don’t even believe half the claims they make, and don’t expect the rest of us to believe them, either. It’s the 21st century’s version of false consciousness.

      1. Fuck off leftie shit.

        1. You’re not to be taken seriously. Pseudonymous bluster and insults are the most you can manage.

          1. Fuck off leftie shit.

    3. Jeff manages to continue his lies and deflections, like all good leftie black shirts.

    4. Jeff: “propaganda and lies!”
      *Proceeds to write five paragraphs of deliberate propaganda and blatant lies*

      Even as the Sicknick story and all the other lies he’s told us are literally falling apart before our eyes, he still tries to gaslight us.

      +A for effort though, Wormtongue.

    5. You’ve lied for weeks pushing left wing narratives. You’ve said cops can kill anyone who dares trespass in public buildings. Youre not a libertarian fatty.

      1. Once again you’re twisting what I said. You cannot even repeat my own argument honestly. You and the right-wing propaganda grifters deserve each other.

        1. Motherfucker. You get paid to shill here. A fire extinguisher to the head would be far too kind for cunts like you. Team Blue will do a whole lot worse when they turn on your useless idiots.

      2. That was DOL and White Knight, but they might be all the same guy.

    6. “Antifa behind the riots… Benford’s Law… video from State Farm Arena in Atlanta… presented baloney data and bogus interpretations…
      They were all LYING to you. It wasn’t just an honest mistake”

      How so, Jeff? Just shrieking it passionately doesn’t constitute an actual rebuttal or make the evidence any less true.
      Salon and the WaPo have a couple of articles saying it’s all crimethink and you just parrot that everywhere like the good little toady you are.

      1. The only debunking of the State Farm video I’ve seen so far is that the vote counters and observers weren’t “forced” to leave, just told they were done for the night and left of their own, and that the votes counted after they all left were not in “suitcases” but bins. Viol’a!

        1. https://twitter.com/amuse/status/1360433460817592322?s=19

          ANTIFA FACT-CHECK THREAD: During the impeachment trial today the president’s lawyers claimed that one of the first rioters arrested on 1/6 was a member of Antifa/BLM. Various fact-checkers ALL determined this claim was false. In this thread, we fact-check the fact-checkers.
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          2/ The ‘agent provocateur’ that the president’s lawyers were talking about is John Earle Sullivan aka JaydenX. Before his arrest at the Capitol on 1/6th Sullivan was active in the BLM movement throughout the summer of 2020.

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          Robert Gehrke: What we know about John Sullivan, charged with rioting at the U.S. Capitol
          Utahn John Sullivan is a self-styled Black activist, founder of Insurgence USA. Now he’s the right’s Exhibit A that Antifa instigated the raid on the U.S. Capitol.

          3/ Sullivan began engaging in anti-fascist/government commentary calling for burning down the current political system and replacing it with another system, so it benefits the people and grants them more freedoms.

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          John Sullivan, Who Filmed Shooting of Ashli Babbitt in Capitol, Detained on Federal Charges
          The enigma of “Activist John.” Why did an anti-Trump protester viewed with suspicion on the left follow Trump’s cult into the Capitol?

          4/ Frustrated with Lex Scott’s (the founder of BLM-Utah) leadership and inspired by Antifa riots in Portland, Sullivan founded ‘Insurgence USA’ to accelerate the collapse of the current political system through Antifa-style direction action. …
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          Who is John Sullivan, accused provocateur charged in Capitol riot?
          The checkered past of John Sullivan — the Utah man who claimed he embedded himself among the pro-Trumpers to record the storming of the Capitol last week — has many questioning black, l…

          5/ After founding ‘Insurgence USA’ Sullivan traveled to Washington DC to lead protests on the Capitol. While on the stage he claimed he was going to burn down the White House and rip Trump out of office. Video:
          6/ Sullivan began referring to himself as ‘Activist John’ and regularly filled his Twitter feed with pro-BLM/Antifa rhetoric and seething hatred of Trump. He would also document his participation in protests and riots on his now-suspended account.
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          7/ Sullivan routinely tagged his posts with both #Antifa and #BLM. When asked by reporters if he was ‘Antifa’ he said that while he was anti-fascist he had his own similar direct action organization called ‘Insurgence USA’.
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          8/ Sullivan explained to reporters that, “Am I anti-fascist? We all are anti-fascist. And that’s what we should all strive for being. I have my own organization, Insurgence USA, and that’s what it is for. That’s really what it is.” …
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          Utah activist inside US Capitol says woman killed was first to try to enter House chamber
          John Sullivan, a Utah activist who faces criminal charges in connection with a Provo protest he organized in June said he attended a pro-Trump rally that turned into a violent attack on the U.S. Capit…
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          9/ Sullivan adopted Antifa’s ‘black bloc’ dress and began training BLM/Antifa insurgents and selling them gear as seen in this video.
          10/ On 1/13 self-described anti-fascist and Insurgence USA leader, John Sullivan was arrested for leading the insurrection at the Capitol on 1/6. Sullivan goaded the first casualty of the event to climb through a window just before she was killed.
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          11/ The FBI alleged that Sullivan told a crowd, “we about to burn this shit down, we got to rip Trump out of office, fucking pull him out of that shit, we ain’t waiting until the next election. we about to go get that mother fucker, it is time for a revolution.”
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          12/ Shortly afterward Sullivan could be heard goading Ashli Babbitt to jump through a window as he filmed her being shot and killed by law enforcement.
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          13/ According to the FBI Sullivan was charged with rioting and criminal mischief during a BLM riot in July in which another civilian was shot and injured. The case is still pending.
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          14/ Despite Sullivan’s claims to the contrary the video footage he provided to the FBI showed that he was clearly inciting the protesters exclaiming, “Let’s go! This shit is ours! Fuck yeah! We accomplished this shit! We did this together! Fuck yeah! Let’s burn this shit down!
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          15/ According to the FBI the video also shows Sullivan helping protesters climb the wall.
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          16/ Once inside the Capitol, according to the FBI, Sullivan could be heard encouraging the protesters suggesting, “We gotta get this shit burned! It’s our house motherfuckers! We are getting this shit.”
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          17/ Throughout the video Sullivan confronts officers calling for them to stand down.
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          18/ At another point Sullivan breaks into a congressional office and states, “We did this shit. We took this shit.” and then proceed to break a window and later apologizing for breaking it but suggesting that it was okay because no one caught it on camera.
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          19/ Next a crowd of protesters and Sullivan approach another locked door protected by law enforcement and Sullivan tells the protesters he has a knife but the protesters ignore him.
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          20/ Over and over Sullivan encouraged protesters to break into new areas of the building and attack officers. Saying things like, “Why don’t we go in there? That’s what I’m saying, break that shit. It would fire if someone had revolutionary music and shit.”
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          21/ Sullivan convinced the only officer standing between him and the protesters to leave his post ultimately resulting in the shooting of an airforce veteran climbing through the side window.
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          22/ Accompanying Sullivan was a photojournalist named Jade Sacker who has worked for NPR and NBC. Once the pair had entered the capital she can be heard on Sullivan’s video cheering, “We did it!” and then asked John if he was filming and he promised to delete the video. He lied.
          23/ Apparently Sullivan was having a relationship with the freelance photojournalist who has worked for NPR and NBC as seen in this video.

          24/ After Sullivan was released by police Sacker arranged to have him interviewed by CNN’s Anderson Cooper. His statements during the interview were debunked by the FBI in their arrest warrant.

          25/ BLM Seattle warned members in November that John Sullivan was an ‘agent provocateur’ seeking to incite violence. He was also seen disguising himself as a Trump supporter on various occasions.
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          1. So he’s not Antifa, he formed his own organization, Insurgence USA. That rather supports my point, doesn’t it?

                1. Whatever. You are going to cling to your fantasy no matter what. And you have the gall to accuse me of mental disorder.

                  1. Because he provided solid evidence that showed you and Newsweek were bullshitting?
                    Fuck off, cultist.

                    1. So what exactly do you expect me to believe here?

                      The riots were organized by Antifa?

                      It was all a false flag?

                      All of those Trump supporters who bragged about breaking into the capitol, they were false flag Antifa too?

        1. Who is John Sullivan?

          1. Some guy the Dropkick Murphys sang a song about?

      2. That is just for starters. Frankly I do not have the patience to run down the list again.

  9. “limited government, economic freedom, individual liberty”
    That will never happen because both Republicans and Democrats are opposed to this with every ounce of their souls!

    1. That’s not true.. Rand Paul, Ted Cruz, Thomas Massie have long proven records of supporting all those things. Half the strength in lefty propaganda is the ‘focus’ point.

  10. Peter Meijer is better than you. Look at how rich he is! This has instilled a sense of noblesse oblige in him that you’ll never know because you ain’t a fucking noblesse you filthy peasant.

    1. The scion of American gentry. Literally bred for the aristocracy.

  11. Man, Bidenistas are willing to lie about any fact.

    Stick to just saying “you have chills” whenever Biden steps on stage.

    According to one law enforcement official, medical examiners did not find signs that the officer sustained any blunt force trauma, so investigators believe that early reports that he was fatally struck by a fire extinguisher are not true.One possibility being considered by investigators is that Sicknick became ill after interacting with a chemical irritant like pepper spray or bear spray that was deployed in the crowd. But investigators reviewing video of the officer’s time around the Capitol haven’t been able to confirm that in tape that has been recovered so far, the official said.The case could also be complicated if Sicknick had a preexisting medical condition. It could not be learned if he did.

    1. Here’s forbes.

      Two law enforcement officials told the New York Times last month that Sicknick’s injuries were the result of being hit in the head by a fire extinguisher, but a medical examiner has reportedly disputed that account, according to CNN, finding no evidence of blunt force trauma.

      Law enforcement officials—who are investigating Sicknick’s death as a homicide—are mulling whether Sicknick fell ill after being exposed to a chemical agent, such as pepper or bear spray.

      The entire sicknick story was built on a lie told by CNN, which has become one of the least reliable news sources in the solar system.

      You left wing Bidenistas who “get chills” every time you see him need to stop watching Rachel Maddow and Brian Stelter. And by repeating their talking points, you look like fools.

      1. Wait, so CNN is unreliable because it propagated a “lie” that Sicknick died from being hit in the head with a fire extinguisher, but we are now to believe CNN when they report – quoting an anonymous source, no less! – that Sicknick didn’t die from blunt force trauma?

        Which is it? Did they lie then, or are they lying now?

        1. Everybody sees how stupid this is, right?

          1. Yup. He’s lost an important cornerstone to his narrative and he’s starting to flail around.

            I’m copying these because he’s starting to contradict something he said a while ago about anonymous sources.

            …This is regardless of the fact that CNN and Forbes never said that the officers were “anonymous”, and that is just Jeff’s appellation because the article didn’t name them. He’s so weaselly about this shit.

            1. You don’t get it. I’m mocking all of you who spent the last 4 years bitching about “anonymous sources” as being unreliable trash now that you all are believing CNN’s anonymous sources as gospel truth when they say words that you like. Unlike most of you right-wing trolls, I’m the one urging caution and skepticism in all cases, not believing them whole-hog or automatically discounting them completely.

              1. “You don’t get it. I’m mocking all of you who spent the last 4 years bitching about “anonymous sources” as being unreliable trash now that you all are believing CNN’s anonymous sources as gospel truth when they say words that you like…”

                Wrong. Most everybody here gets it; You’ve been busted for bullshitting *again*, and now you’re trying desperately to deflect attention away from that fact by pointing to CNN.
                But don’t let me take the shovel out of your hands; we’re all enjoying you whining about how deep the hole is while you keep digging as hard as you can.

                1. Here is my take on the CNN article, posted above:

                  https://reason.com/video/2021/02/13/gop-congressman-peter-meijer-on-why-he-voted-to-impeach-trump/#comment-8760374

                  Here’s the relevant bit:

                  Maybe the best course of action at this point is to withhold judgment until we have an official, on-the-record, documented statement from the relevant medical authorities about his precise cause of death and why he collapsed after the riot.

                  So yes I am taking a cautious approach. But I am absolutely laughing at all of you who spent 4 years trashing CNN as the Enemy of the People, but who are now taking its reporting – using an anonymous source, no less! – as the Gospel Truth and How Dare You Criticize It.

                  1. I love how JesseAz is taunting you because you have been saying over and over that an officer was killed by being hit in the head with a fire extinguisher.

                    Except you haven’t; that was me saying that.

                    But JesseAz is doing the “sock puppet” thing, so I guess that means you said things that were actually said by me.

                    1. I love how you continue making an ass of yourself, TDS-addled lefty shit.

                  2. “..So yes I am taking a cautious approach…”

                    You’re a lying pile lefty shit hoping against hope someone will justify your bullshit.

                    1. Time for your meds.

                    2. Time for you to act like an adult, but that’s asking entirely too much.

            2. The reliability of CNN’s account isn’t even really the issue. They’re hardly the only news organization in the country, and if all the others are saying more or less the same thing, then we’re not relying on CNN exclusively anyway.

              Meanwhile, it’s all basically a tuquoque. The point that this guy apparently didn’t die as the result of a bludgeoning attack with a blunt object isn’t in any way compromised by ChemJeff claiming that because CNN’s earlier account can’t be trusted, their later revision can’t be trusted either.

              CNN isn’t the issue, but ChemJeff doesn’t realize that–because he isn’t very bright. When he tries to use facts and logic around here, he’s a fish out of water. If someone is paying him to make the left look stupid and ridiculous, they’re getting their money’s worth. If they’re paying him to disrupt the conversation as an end in itself, the only thing he ends up doing is turning the conversation to the ridiculous stupidity of the left and the people who listen to them.

              The simplest explanation is that ChemJeff is just . . . um . . . limited. Wherever he used to hang out, his “thinking” was probably normal. I think he’s probably having trouble adjusting to the realization that the reason people here don’t believe the stupid shit he does is because the people here aren’t as intellectually limited as the people with which he’s used to associating. At one point, he may have been a big fish in a small and incredibly stupid pond.

              1. Once again Ken I’m mocking all of you who assumed in the past that “anonymous sources” were trash, and CNN is Fake News and the Enemy of the People, just because CNN said words about Trump that made you all sad.

                1. Once again, Jeff, we all understand how you’re attempting to change the subject in the hopes of avoiding looking like the lying pile of lefty shit that you are.

                2. Oh, here I thought you were arguing in good faith about the topic at hand, but now you’re admitting your purpose is to prove a petty, unrelated, point.

                  And still failing.

                  1. You’re still lying. You never take me in good faith because you’re a troll.

                    1. Says Lying Jeffy as he agrees with my point.

          2. Lol, yes. And it’s glorious.

            Keep going Jeff!

          3. I assume Jeff does not. But yes, I do.

        2. I love how you are so unconcerned that you’ve repeated a lie for 5 weeks now and are more mad that a person used a left wing link so you’d finally realize you were repeating a lie. Lol. Sorry you can’t just dismiss this one as fox News or breitbart like you want to you leftist piece of shit.

          1. And there you go with another one of your tricks, posting some insult to deflect away from the issue at hand. Truth is, all of your wailing about anonymous sources from NYT or WaPo or anywhere else was just angry because they said mean words about Trump, not because you actually thought they were telling lies.

            1. The issue at hand is that you’ve been busted for bullshitting once more.

        3. “Which is it?”

          Caught bullshitting again, steaming pile of lefty shit.

    2. Oh and further, fuck off with your new found “respect for the blue” after demanding the systematic murder of anyone in a uniform for all of 2020.

  12. “…on how his party needs to reclaim the mantle of limited government, capitalism, and individualism.”

    Laudable goals, now how about conceding that Trump did a better job of hitting some of them than any POTUS since Silent Cal?

  13. We must get over being traitors to democracy and reason and get back to merely raiding the social safety net for tax cuts.

    It’s why you don’t mistake a cross around someone’s neck for morality.

    1. “Not stealing from others is traitorous” ………….and a million other entirely contradictory terms to lefty-extremist radicals who cherishes Democratic National Socialism “Nazism”. You belong in jail.

      1. Well you missed that fucking point.

        Stop trying to ratfuck reality. Morality is what we do. And voting is the most change most of us will ever be able to make in this world.

    2. The “social safety net” is all of us. Not the state.

        1. He’s a “radical individualist”. The radical part isn’t what you’d think.

          1. He’s a radical individualist who absolutely supports Social Security–because–what would we do without it?

            Save for our own retirement?!

            1. I’ve previously advocated for completely privatizing Social Security, you dimwit.

        2. So you are against private charity now too?

    3. Nobody even pretending to libertarian principles can justify entitlements to “social safety nets” funded by taxes. But go ahead with your socialist “ethics” fantasy.

      1. Ethics has nothing to do with it. If I wanted to talk about ethics, I would not hang out with libertarians, who can barely manage a dictionary understanding of empathy.

        It’s what the people are owed because the United States government says so. Exactly the same as a tax refund.

    4. “It’s why you don’t mistake a cross around someone’s neck for morality

      I certainly don’t mistake the swastika around yours for such, Herr Goebbels.

  14. Fuck off cunt. Impeachment isn’t intended to further your political agenda.

    I hope that this shitshow made the point that people become incensed when they and their elected sitting president of the United States are censored, scrubbed, erased from all media, specifically having their 1a rights violated by unelected media oligarchs working for the interests of those who committed proven voting fraud.

    The proof of voter fraud is available. Physically recounted votes showed that the machines flipped thousands of votes from Trump to Biden in the counties audited. Watch the video.

    A valid election didn’t happen and it won’t until the censorship ends and ithe details of the fraud are exposed by nationwide audits bringing ALL the guilty to justice.

    http://www.worldviewweekend.com/tv/video/absolute-proof-exposing-election-fraud-and-theft-america-enemies-foreign-and-domestic

    1. Our National Post and Sun Media are pretty good too.
      Aside from Fox, American corporate media are pretty monolithic woke corporatist.

  15. I didn’t see the Trump defense, but from what I’ve read, it sounds appropriate: a montage if democrat politicians crying for their supporters to “push… fight… there will be causalities on both sides for our war against president Trump!”, over a background of left wing riots and arson, seceding part of the country from the US, and now they’re clutching their pearls over “insurrection”. Sounds like they made obvious the hypocrisy of the current moment.

    1. That, what seemed like 4 minutes of hundreds of video clips of democrats demanding that their supporters “ fight” in every imaginable context, even “in the streets” was joyous to watch.

      Then there was another montage where for several minutes we saw democrats and their guest speakers take it much further, advocating violence. Biden bragging that his feeble ass would take Trump “behind the wood shed” to celebrity speakers dreamily discussing “shooting the president” and “bombing the White House”.

      The hypocrisy of this shitshow was undeniable.

  16. What’s going to happen to journalism when Trump is no longer president?

  17. Now the weak democrats have backed off witnesses. This is over, it’s going to be an acquittal, and the end of the liberal democrats abusive scheme.

    Also that WaPo tweet threatening violence if there’s an acquittal. Pure gold. The NYT and WaPo have destroyed themselves just like the Lincoln Project and other Trump haters. Democrats have almost no majority in Congress and a dementia patient for a President.

    2022 is going to be so good.

    1. Also that WaPo tweet threatening violence if there’s an acquittal.

      Do you have a link to this tweet?

      1. Saw it on Scott Adams twitter feed, not hard to find.

        Basically they said if republicans voted to acquit they would be responsible for the violence. Meaning they are threatening it, or know about it, and hoping to promote it. It’s a cynical self serving and vile move for a newspaper to do. To hell with them.

        1. Well, here is the tweet:

          https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1360124478689316864

          They are not advocating for violence. They are saying that if violence happens, they’ll be responsible for it. It’s also an opinion piece, not a news piece.

          1. Do you agree with that opinion?

            1. Why do you think you deserve an honest answer to that question?

      2. Here.

        Opinion: If Republican senators acquit Trump, they will own the violence that follows

        Article from tweet. Dana Milbank author.

        warning: paywall.

      3. By the standards that Twitter and Silicon Valley establishment platforms have set for themselves, the Washington Post Twitter account should be banned permanently.

        1. Further, their payment processor should cancel their contract. Cloud providers should also cancel contracts, the internet carrier should drop them as a customer, and their certificate authority should revoke their site certificate.

          That’s phase one.

          Phase two should be more harsh.

        1. Reason, can you please drop your two-link moderation filter. None of your marketing bots are posting two links. All it does is annoy those of us that like to stack multiple sources in one comment.

        1. Nothing Dana has ever written is worth the few seconds needed to bypass the paywall. Certainly not worth paying for.

  18. And it’s over. Fuck all left wingers, liberals, and democrats forever.

    1. Over? Nothing is over till we say it is. Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?

      There is no release date yet for “Impeachment III: We’ll Definitely Get Him This Time,” a Disney/CNN production.

  19. Rawstory just retracted a section from a story they printed, claiming that James O’Keefe from Project Veritas claimed “antifa was behind the attack on the capitol”.

    O’Keefe never suggested anything of the sort. Rawstory claimed they only got the info from Bloomberg, which had already retracted the story.

    We’re living in a world of horse-and-sparrow journalism where smaller outlets merely report what bigger outlets report, and the bigger outlets systematically lie.

    1. Maybe the Republicans in the Senate should speak up about left wing news outlets spreading misinformation.

      The Raw Story has more than a million followers on Facebook.

  20. Damn.

    White Kite and Phlegmjeff got fucking annihilatiled above.

    These faggots are going to need new socks, fast.

    1. Nah, they have no shame and a narrative to peddle. It’s also their job.

      1. I don’t ChemJeff is smart enough to be embarrassed or realize that he got pwned ten times over.

        Oblivious as hell, he thinks he’s winning. Stay the course. Full speed ahead!

        LOL

  21. So, Trump just got acquitted, as expected. Somebody check on Sullum and Tony and see if they’ve dropped dead from burst aneurysms.

    -jcr

    1. How’s Sullum going to be able to afford his new Lexus without rich Uncle Charles’ brown envelopes?

    2. Warnock is being indicted for election fraud in Georgia.

      Unreason will write propaganda about undermining democracy and other lies.

      Hahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

      1. There is an inquiry. The allegation is that a registration organization he was involved with submitted around 1600 applications after the ten day deadline.

        Meanwhile Fulton County is looking into criminal charges against Donald Trump.

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  24. Amash leaving congress was a real loss to America.

    Meijer is proving to be a very good consolation prize.

    1. It is good to see someone with libertarian values taking his spot. There are so few independent thinkers in government.

  25. The commies at unreason love traitors to the constitution.

    Thanks to the commies in America, Donald Trump is the greatest President that ever served this republic.

  26. Sorry, voting yes on an unconstitutional action is not how you rebuild or rebrand the GOP. There is no the slightest bit of evidence Trump espoused rebellion or insurgency or anything of the like, and yes, I’ve watched the speech.

    “code” is what liars call speech when they cannot find anything actually objectively wrong with the actual statements, and want to insert their own meanings.

    If you cannot find the words you want or the meanings you want, that’s too bad. Doing a bait and switch with your own desired interpretations is a cheater’s method.

    You own the right to destroy your own judgment. You do not own the right to destroy someone else’s or subvert it with lies.

  27. “Iraqi Veteran”
    So that validates everything he says and does?
    Bullshit
    Kudos for serving in Iraq, but you voted to impeach because you are a cowardly piece of shit.
    I guess the woke crowd scares you more than Iraqi insurgents

  28. He’s a spoiled rich kid and a weak coward…..that’s why he voted against Trump….weakness not principle…..

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