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Airlines Can Treat Emotional Support Critters Like Pets Instead of Service Animals

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"Carriers are not required to recognize emotional support animals as service animals and may treat them as pets." Following an onslaught of passengers bringing "unusual species" of animals on flights for emotional support, the U.S. Department of Transportation (DOT) is backtracking on its guidance regarding airlines and service animals.

In August 2019, the department declared that its enforcement office would work "to ensure that dogs, cats, and miniature horses are accepted for transport. Airline policies that categorically refuse transport to all service animals that are not dogs, cats, or miniature horses violate the current disability regulation."

"Airlines will not be subject to enforcement action if they continue to deny transport to snakes, other reptiles, ferrets, rodents, and spiders; however, airlines will remain subject to potential enforcement action if they categorically refuse to transport other animals," said the 2019 guidance, which also clarified other rules surrounding "emotional support animals" (ESAs) or "psychiatric service animals" (PSAs) on flights.

The revised guidance was issued this past Monday, November 30, and significantly changes this tune. "This final rule defines a service animal as a dog, regardless of breed or type, that is individually trained to do work or perform tasks for the benefit of a qualified individual with a disability, including a physical, sensory, psychiatric, intellectual, or other mental disability," states the new rule.

It also stipulates that airline carriers "are not required to recognize emotional support animals as service animals and may treat them as pets."

This doesn't mean that an airline can't have a broad policy allowing emotional support animals. But air carriers are no longer in danger of punishment if they choose to narrowly define service animals and limit the presence of other types of animals on flights.

The DOT guidance says the revision was necessary because of "the increasing number of service animal complaints received from, and on behalf of, passengers with disabilities by the Department and by airlines" and "the inconsistent definitions among Federal agencies of what constitutes a 'service animal.'"

The DOT also blamed "the disruptions caused by requests to transport unusual species of animals onboard aircraft, which has eroded the public trust in legitimate service animals" and "the increasing frequency of incidents of travelers fraudulently representing" pets as serious service animals.

"Airlines have long complained that passengers have exploited vague rules," notes Buzzfeed:

In 2018, United Airlines refused to let a woman fly with her emotional support peacock, Dexter, even after she had purchased a separate seat for him.

Earlier that year, a 21-year-old woman admitted to flushing her "doctor-certified" comfort hamster down an airport toilet after Spirit Airlines refused to let the hamster board the flight.

In 2016, a man flew with his emotional support duck on a flight. And in 2014, a passenger was kicked off a US Airways flight after his emotional support pig pooped in the cabin.

Passengers have also been seen with "comfort turkeys, gliding possums known as sugar gliders, snakes, spiders, and more," according to Delta, which cracked down on emotional support animals in 2018. The airline also banned "pit bull type" dogs as service or support animals.


FOLLOW-UP

There's no Section 230 repeal in the defense bill. "The final version of the National Defense Authorization Act that will soon be considered by the House and Senate won't include Trump's long-sought repeal of the legal immunity for online companies, known as Section 230, according to lawmakers and aides," reports Politico. The president promised he would veto the bill if it didn't repeal Section 230.

Author and lawyer Jeff Kosseff has a good thread today on what would happen if Section 230 was repealed; start here:


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Teen sues over wrongful arrest and imprisonment in New Mexico. Gisell Estrada, "a 17-year-old girl who was wrongly arrested, falsely charged with murder, then put in jail is filing a lawsuit against the city of Albuquerque, the police department, and Albuquerque Public Schools," reports Albuquerque's KOB 4:

Gisell Estrada was involved in a case of mistaken identity last year. APD arrested her for armed robbery and first degree murder. She was charged as an adult and spent a week and jail. Estrada was released after APD arrested a different person.

The lawsuit, which is expected to be filed Thursday morning by the ACLU and a private law firm, is considering claims for false arrest, false imprisonment, malicious prosecution and violation of Estrada's state rights.


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  1. Airlines Can Treat Emotional Support Critters Like Pets Instead of Service Animals

    Read that as pests.

    1. No, that’s crying babies.

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    2. to ensure that dogs, cats, and miniature horses are accepted for transport

      Miniature horses?? Even I’m suspicious of that. Someone should look into how deeply connected the miniature horse lobby is with DOT.

      1. Dude, you do not talk shit about Li’l Sebastian.

        1. Nice reference. Funny.

        2. Ron Swanson for president!

          1. But only Ron Swanson, the actor who plays him is a proggi douchbag

        3. +5,000 candles in the wind

      2. Miniature horses have been service animals for as long as the ADA has been around. They can be trained to assist people in much the same manner as seeing-eye dogs.

        Strange but true.

        https://www.ada.gov/service_animals_2010.htm

    3. Hello.

      Ooof the gaslighting.

      Tapper and the death count. From the very place that published a study about deaths being low and recanting. Heaven forbid the truth be said. Again, how many are above 65 and with a co-mobidty again?

      Greatest health panic in history.

      Wow. Three former Presidents with impeccable character and honour? Why do I sign up for the jab.

      Yeh, and how are we assured it’s actually the vaccine and not some placebo?

      2020: The year for retards.

      Is ENB shilling for big pharma or something?

      1. Face it, Rufus, before the COVID panic, most retarded young people, AKA progressive democrats, had never heard of death. You have to cut them a little slack for this catastrophic bubble-bursting.

      2. Greatest health panic in history.

        In future textbooks it will be listed along with War of the Worlds as media induced hysteria.

        Of course, those will be Vogon textbooks after the Earth is destroyed to make way for the hyperspace express route.

      3. Two bros and a bro-in-law. Goofin’ and jokin’ over all the blood that was shed over their two-decade regime.

        1. Three decades if you include Barack and Dubya’s poppy George. Let’s go shoot some golf you sons of whores.

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  2. …the U.S. Department of Transportation (DOT) is backtracking on its guidance regarding airlines and service animals.

    Trump’s last parting shot at those most vulnerable members of our society.

    1. Or at least with the most feelz.

  3. The US Wednesday reports a record-high number of new Covid-19 deaths…

    Cumulative totals seldom decrease. Terribly imprecise tweet.

    1. “…Cumulative totals seldom decrease…”

      The actors/actresses acting like news reporters on TV always crank up the CONCERN tone of voice when reporting these numbers.

    2. Who are you quoting? Doesn’t the word “new” mean they are not talking about cumulative numbers?

      1. And what does “Cumulative” mean,? and what is the dictionary definition of “imprecise”? and does the word “tweet” reference the internet platform? and is “totals” a noun or verb?….

    3. Deaths “with” COVID. Is Michigan still testing dead people, regardless of their cause of death, and adding them to this total?

      1. I believe so.

      2. Believe we just barely passed 100k if you use the Singapore standard of only counting deaths that include respiratory causes of death.

    4. New deaths are not cumulative. Read harder before snarking

      1. Or read between the lines.

        Let’s try this. Last Thursday was Thanksgiving, plus we were off on Friday and then Saturday and Sunday. Monday was crazy and Tuesday was not a death counting day. So….Wow that’s a lot of deaths for one day! It’s like April!
        Shut ‘er down, matey. Shut ‘er down.

  4. There’s no Section 230 repeal in the defense bill.

    I can continue to make my outrageous hot takes in the comments and Reason is safe from litigation?

    DARK CHOCOLATE IS THE WORST CHOCOLATE

    1. That is not controversial.

    2. I’ll bet you prefer white chocolate you racist you.

      1. White chocolate was my nickname in aau

    3. Racist.

    4. This again?

      Why not revive the deep dish fiasco?

      And by the way, ‘dark chocolate’ is racist.

      1. What about “Taste the Rainbow”?

      2. I’m confused: should “dark” and “chocolate” be capitalized or not?

        1. The Fair Trade ‘Endangered Species’ chocolate has it all capitalized: DARK CHOCOLATE.

          Sounds rich.

    5. Cool! Since I prefer dark chocolate, that means I’m edgy! I always wanted to be edgy but without risking getting VD.

    6. Only for people with no taste buds.

      1. Or too many taste buds. I suspect people who don’t like it are extra sensitive to bitter tastes.

    7. Cocoa harvested by African slave labor? Might as well be blood diamonds.

      1. Mmmm delicious blood diamonds. They are more jucy and slightly saltire than regular diamonds

    8. So, you don’t like chocolate, then.

    9. if by hot takes you mean mass-incorrectivity then yes.

    10. Milk chocolate isn’t really chocolate.

    11. Anything less that 75% cacao is not chocolate.

      1. even more this than the other this.

  5. A baby was born from a 27-year-old donated embryo.
    He can vote now.

    1. He’s an old soul.

    2. Records indicate he already voted (for Biden) in GA, NJ, PA, MI, and NV.

    3. So a 27 year old in the body of a child. Please nobody tell buttplug

  6. Speaker Pelosi refuses to allow votes on amendments to the House’s cannabis bill, including my amendment to strike new federal taxes/regulation that harm the goal of leaving cannabis policy to the states.

    Guess the weed isn’t any greener on the other side of the aisle.

  7. The lawsuit, which is expected to be filed Thursday morning by the ACLU and a private law firm, is considering claims for false arrest, false imprisonment, malicious prosecution and violation of Estrada’s state rights.

    Yeah, good luck with that.

    1. She was arrested and jailed for a week.

      Seems aggressive to claim that cops can never arrest the wrong person. They’d have to prove they KNEW she was wrong.

      And the subsequent arrest would argue they continued to perform their due diligence.

  8. Will the former presidents get the vaccine shot in the butt on live tv?

    1. Barack Obama, George W. Bush and Bill Clinton are volunteering to get their Covid-19 vaccines…

      Three living arguments for term limits

  9. Resist!
    Not my president!
    #NeverBiden

  10. Please consider giving to the nonprofit foundation that makes Reason‘s journalism possible.

    Wait. We’re donating to the foundation??? Like the Clinton Foundation? Am I buying access to something by donating?

    1. Yep; you are buying access to a string of abusive comments by basement dwelling neurotics. (and a chess piece)

      1. Hey fuck you..wait what?

      2. there aren’t any basements in Dallas. bedrock.

        1. Florida too.
          Flattest state in the union.

      3. My basement’s full of skeletons. I never go down there anymore.

    2. “Am I buying access to something by donating?”

      If you pick the Koch plan, Boehm, Binion, Britschigi and Sullum. The finest brown envelope journalism can offer.

    3. I think it’s funny that they refer to whatever it is they’re doing around here as “journalism”.

  11. Wow, if Bill Clinton, George W. Bush, and Barack Obama all want me to take the vaccine, I better rethink this. I was planning on taking the vaccine before, but if those three lying sacks of shit say I should take it, then maybe I should reconsider the whole thing.

    P.S. Appeal to authority is the fallacy to which libertarians should be susceptible to the least.

    1. It’s all a bad joke now that Reason would even mention that.

      Retarded.

      1. But Muh Dear Leader!

      2. Should ENB have used the sarc tag for: “Does this make you feel safer?”? I thought it was self evident and was just mentioned so FoE could make a witty comment.

        1. Yeah, I don’t get this reflexive hate people have.

          All she did was mention it. It’s a stint, we all know that.

        2. I assumed the entire roundup was a bunch of set ups for Fist.

          1. If so they could give me better material.

            1. They need more donations so they can hire better comedians.

      3. If there’s a story there, it’s about the contempt with which these people hold average Americans. Let’s hope our former presidents don’t jump off a bridge because if they do, the rest of America will. Aren’t Americans stupid!

        Meanwhile, I can’t help but think of the President Ford swine flu disaster.

        “In the post-mortems of 1976, it is also striking to read of the pitfalls of politicians presenting scientific information to the public. When Ford was the face for the vaccine initiative, Sencer writes, it did not foster trust. “Scientific information coming from a non-scientific political figure is likely to encourage scepticism, not enthusiasm”.

        —-BBC

        “The Fiasco of the Swine Flu Affair”

        https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20200918-the-fiasco-of-the-us-swine-flu-affair-of-1976

        Because the flu is real this time and the vaccine necessary this time really doesn’t mean the government can’t still fuck it up.

        Here are two ways to make sure as few people are vaccinated as possible:

        1) Use politicians to tell us to take it.

        P.S. The media’s credibility is shot with at least half the American public, so if they shouldn’t be the authoritative voice on this either.

        2) Require people to take it by law.

        If the passed a law requiring people to buy pizza and beer on Saturday nights, sales would plummet.

        1. I’m not taking it because this is a hysteria.

          I don’t trust a single word uttered by public officials. There’s scams all kinds.

          1. How else are you gonna get your new microchip?

            1. Tracking microchips are so 80s. The kids are into mind control nanobots. Like the ones the Chinese put in fortune cookies.

          2. Hi, I’m Bill Clinton.

            When I’m not smoking cigars after I stuck them up my intern’s vagina, I’m taking the Covid vaccine!

            It’s what hip ex-presidents do.

            P.S. I didn’t inhale, and it depends on what the meaning of the word “is” is.

          3. Hi, I’m George W. Bush.

            When I’m not disgracing the Constitution and the Geneva Conventions with torture policies–designed for use against unlawful combatants but used against Iraqi POWS who were captured in uniform instead? I’m taking the coronavirus vaccine!

            Because that’s what honest and respectable ex-presidents do!

            P.S. They weren’t really torture policies because the pain threshold reached was insufficiently intense.

            1. My step dad was a POW in Japan, that was WWII for those who don’t know, anyway they were tortured by tickling some of his fellow prisoners even died from it. Torture does not have to be painful. My step father got to testify in court about the torture and experiments they did. So yes water boarding is torture even when you live through it.

              1. Torturing people in un-American.

                When George Washington took Hessian POWs at the Battle of Trenton, his men wanted to retaliate against them for some of the awful things they’d supposedly done to them in past. Washington ordered that they be treated humanely. They were mostly sent out to work as farmhands.

                “German prisoners were subsequently treated well, with some volunteering for extra work assignments, helping to replace local men serving in the Continental Army. After the war, many POWs never returned to Germany and instead accepted American offers of religious freedom and free land, becoming permanent settlers.”

                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hessian_(soldier)#American_attitudes

                That’s the American way!

              2. Oh, and in case it wasn’t clear, I was spoofing the Torture Memo in that comment about how it isn’t really torture if the pain threshold was insufficiently intense.

                “The Aug. 1, 2002 memo, sent from Assistant Attorney General Jay S. Bybee to Alberto R. Gonzales, counsel to the president, parsed the language of a 1994 statute that ratified the United Nations Convention against Torture and made the commitment of torture a crime. To be torture, the memo concluded, physical pain must be “equivalent in intensity to the pain accompanying serious physical injury, such as organ failure, impairment of bodily function, or even death.”

                —-Frontline

                https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/torture/themes/redefining.html

                They argued that all the torture they perpetrated wasn’t torture because the pain inflicted was insufficiently intense.

                It was hogwash.

          4. Hi, I’m Barack Obama.

            You may be reluctant to take this vaccine, but I’m here to tell you that if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor and if you like your insurance plan, you can keep your insurance plan.

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    2. Of course we have to just accept that the syringe actually contains the vaccine rather than some recreational drug.

      1. Or tracking nano chips

        1. I have it on good authority, that it is filled with a mind control serum, that boost retail sales around Christmas.

          1. Enjoy your stay on the island.

            1. Tahiti?

          2. And if you buy online it jacks an extra dose of serotonin into your mind.

      2. See I wasn’t planning on getting the vaccine but stuff like this might make me change my mind.

  12. NEW: Three former US presidents – Barack Obama, George W. Bush and Bill Clinton – are volunteering to get their Covid-19 vaccines on camera in order to promote public confidence in the vaccine’s safety

    Cause they’d NEVER put a known harmless substance in the vials for the photo-shoot.

    1. Well, maybe in Clinton and Obama’s. Literal Hitler not so much.

      1. Wait, how many Hitlers are there?

        1. Are we counting future Republican presidential candidates or just past?

        2. Does mecha-Hitler count?

        3. According to some, everyone who voted for Trump.

    2. We can only hope they’ll be injected with the Trump bleach treatment.

  13. Those who choose to do so will be identifiable through their badge numbers, the spokesman said.

    In other news, you’re not allowed to know whose badge number is whose.

    1. if protesters can mask their identity why can’t the cops. we are now a third world nation where cops have to hide their identity

  14. As we reported last night, POTUS is actively considering firing Barr and replacing with somebody more willing to do his bidding on election and Durham.

    “As we reported last night”. We have verification!

  15. A baby was born from a 27-year-old donated embryo.

    Oh, juuuuust missed being kept on its parents’ health insurance.

    1. “I’wm four… but also thirty.”

      1. If it’s a girl, the poor thing will have to go through puberty and menopause at the same time. Yikes.

        1. I’m sure she’ll be a joy to be around during that.

  16. In August 2019, the department declared that its enforcement office would work “to ensure that dogs, cats, and miniature horses are accepted for transport. Airline policies that categorically refuse transport to all service animals that are not dogs, cats, or miniature horses violate the current disability regulation.”

    Face it, among the co-dependent types of retarded human behavior are the emotional needy and the compulsive compassionate. I blame the latter for the trends in our society (and government) to cater to any imagined or claimed disability, regardless of cost or other impacts to surrounding people–including those who have to pay for accommodations. Essentially, the compassionistas are indulging their own emotional needs, and dragging the rest of us into the pity party.

    1. How the hell do you bring a mini horse on a plane ??

      1. Same way you shut down the economy and still keep society going–childish wishful thinking.

    2. You’re not wrong. During my B.S. in animal science, the abuse of the service animal laws came up a lot.

      There’s legitimate need for people with severe, documented issues, but unfortunately people abuse it for attention or convenience. My own sister got her Australian Sheppard a vest just so she could take it into Target lol.

      I say let anyone bring any animal anywhere, but owners be held liable for the actions of their poorly trained pet.

      1. When I was traveling around rural Scotland, several times one of the locals would have their dog at the pub. They mostly just laid on the floor next to their stool.

        1. That sort of thing is great until some asshole who hasn’t got his dog trained properly thinks it’s OK for him too. I hate people like that. No one wants to deal with your out of control dog.
          Several people bring their dogs to work where I work. It’s great except when on idiot brings his stupid dog in and it eats the carpets and pisses on the floor.

          1. That’s probably why it works in a place like that, where everyone knows each other and social pressure would be enough from stop that from happening.

      2. I say let anyone bring any animal anywhere

        See Jane. See Jane bring her dog to the airport.

        See Spot. See Spot wear the mask. Jane says, “Don’t take the mask off Spot!”

        See Officer Todd. See Officer Todd’s shiny service pistol. Jane says, “No, Officer Todd, I can get Spot to wear the mask.” Bang!

        See Jane. See Jane cry over Spot’s lifeless body. Poor Spot! Poor, poor Spot.

        1. I just about died laughing at this.

      3. George Sheering, probably my favourite blind jazz pianist, used to appear in concerts with his seeing eye dog curled up by his feet on stage. The dog was probably a Labrador, which would be my choice if I, too, were blind.

        Sheering’s piano\vibraphone arrangements are particularly tasty, by the way.

  17. …POTUS is actively considering firing Barr and replacing with somebody more willing to do his bidding on election and Durham.

    Is this an anonymous source? Because anyone could guess this.

    1. Absent two or more named, verifiable sources, it is a wild rumour based on fantasy. (aka “news”)

  18. Is there any evidence that BLM or anti-fa is doxing individual police officers so that others can target them or their families with various intimidation tactics?

    1. BLM and Antifa are just ideas.

      1. It wasn’t ideas that destroyed hundreds of businesses all over the country.

        1. No, that was the Covid lockdowns. Well, ok, and the other stuff. Man, what a shitshow of a year to try and run a business. If the governor doesn’t get you, their blackshirts will.

    2. Didn’t they go after the Chief of police’s residence in Seattle and I see the LA Da has round the clock police protection now. so it appears so

      1. They did, in Seattle, and got soundly rebuffed by her neighbors.

  19. Officials must provide scientific evidence for the Los Angeles ban on outdoor dining…

    SO SUDDENLY PURPORTED SELF-EVIDENCE ISN’T SCIENTIFIC PROOF?

  20. Can I still bring my emotional support .357 aboard?

  21. “A judge on Wednesday ordered Los Angeles County public health officials to show scientific evidence justifying the outdoor dining ban imposed last week amid soaring coronavirus cases. The county must return to court Tuesday to present evidence supporting the ban, L.A. County Superior Court Judge James Chalfant said at a hearing Wednesday morning.”

    Great–lawyers trying to do science. Can they do it better than average people (or 5th graders)?

    1. The judge himself is profoundly ignorant if he thinks any such evidence could exist. 152 years out from the 14th amendment being ratified and FYTW is still a valid legal argument.

      It is the case of Political Elite v. Prols and the defendants don’t even get a seat in the courtroom.

  22. I came up with this:

    “During a Tuesday briefing, a Department of Homeland Security official said that 38 law enforcement officers in Portland, Oregon, were doxxed amid ongoing protests in the area. DHS referred to those who did the alleged doxxing as “radicals.”

    —-Newsweek

    https://www.newsweek.com/38-police-officers-have-been-doxxed-during-protests-portland-dhs-says-1519530

    I’m not saying the police are right to hide their names, but their desire to do so isn’t necessarily just to escape responsibility for cracking the heads of peaceful protesters. They may have legitimate concerns.

    Anti-fa, incidentally, shouldn’t be required to wear name tags either.

    1. They very well may and as long as a badge number is visible and there is a fair process in place to be able to ID them if needed; I don’t have much of a problem with it except I want a deal that they too will start protecting citizens personal information, gets warrants for 3rd party info, stop leaking info to press, posting arrest info in public, etc… Until then equality under the law is a bitch.

      1. I’m going back and forth on this. I think this is an issue that should be addressed locally.

        I don’t know why police should be required to subject themselves to being doxxed by anti-fa, when anti-fa has proven to be violent–and in some precincts, being doxxed by anti-fa is a legitimate concern.

        We say that the government shouldn’t infringe on our right to bear arms until we actually do something with a gun to violate someone’s rights, but we’re requiring police officers to potentially subject themselves to doxxing by anti-fa–despite the fact that they haven’t actually done anything to violate someone’s rights yet?

        Sometimes there really are two sides.

        And anti-fa shouldn’t be required to wear name tags.

    2. “Anti-fa, incidentally, shouldn’t be required to wear name tags either”

      White Knight hardest hit.

      1. OK. I laughed out loud at that one.

      2. Uh huh. I’ve never said one word in defense of antifa.

        Unlike some people, Im able to distinguish between the actions of antifa, Black Lives Matter the organization, and rioters wearing “Black Lives Matter” t-shirts.

          1. R Mac bot is botting like a mofo.

            1. It always amuses me when you don’t know what’s going on.

              1. I know you are going to be coy about whatever it is you think you know is going on that I don’t know about, so I’ll take a stab at guessing — Let’s see, is it this:

                At every peaceful Black Lives Matter event: like a march, or event where people listen to speeches on the steps of a government building or in a park, right at the very end, an official from the organization gets up and says, “Hey, everybody! The official event is over, but make sure to come back at midnight tonight for some riotin’! Make sure to wear your Black Lives Matter t-shirts, so they know you are rioting on behalf of our organization! If you all are calling into one of the secret antifa conference calls later today, make sure to let your antifa comrades know they are always welcome to come and riot, too!”

                1. And it’s all okay because even if they do all that, you and I will deny it until we see notarized copies of their ID in triplicate.
                  Right sempai?

                2. Oh Oh…now do Charlottesville….

                  1. Chatlottesville had a mix of peaceful and non-peaceful protestors. The peaceful ones were not responsible for the actions of the non-peaceful ones.

                3. Lol. Fantastic.

                  1. So, I nailed the big secret!

        1. You needed a way to make sure you could never blame BLM for any violence. So you just claim antifa is the cause of all BLM protest violence while asking others to prove the person responsible was BLM. Oddly enough, you never seem to require your own identification of the person responsible as being only Antifa and not BLM,

  23. “Carriers are not required to recognize emotional support animals as service animals and may treat them as pets.”

    Get this motherfucking horse off this motherfucking plane

  24. Teen Reason Winter Issue:
    The Greatest Taco Trio Presidents ever are taking the vaccine and you should too!

    Also. No Mask, You lose! How masks save trees.

    Teen Reason Winter Issue (Emergency run):

    Trump offers to take vaccine publicly. Why the vaccine may not be necessary based on data.

    1. But is Justin still dreamy?

      1. Justin: Sophie’s Mask makes me howl!

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  25. Christian Adams writes about the real reason Trump lost:

    https://pjmedia.com/jchristianadams/2020/12/02/the-real-kraken-what-really-happened-to-donald-trump-in-the-2020-election-n1185494

    TL;DR: By pumping hundreds of millions of dollars into 4 or 5 key cities- actually donating to their election offices- liberal groups were able to increase turnout enough to counter Trump’s margin.

    This is what I have been saying for weeks. And the GOP will lose the senate if they do not figure out how to counter it next month.

    1. Yes, if 500,000 more newly registered black voters turn out in, say, Phila., than did in 2016, it won’t matter much if Trump increases the % of his vote from them from 5% to 10%.

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      2. Or, say, hundreds of thousands of completely legitimate mail in ballots with no chain of custody or validation. But, nothing to see here…

    2. This is a libertarian board; nobody cares about practical politics.

    3. Hard to counter democrat massive election fraud without enforcing anti election fraud rules.

      Democrats went all in and it aint working.

  26. Author and lawyer Jeff Kosseff has a good thread today lying about what would happen if Section 230 was repealed; start here:

    Here’s my prediction.
    Faced with a choice of complete responsibility or a hands-off approach (like email, snail mail, phone calls, newsletters, blogs and every single other fucking form of public communication ever), they would choose the latter.

    Giving them special status with 230 was the most anti-libertarian thing ever.

    1. This is not a special status. A special status indicates that only some people are eligible to get this protection. In fact anyone who hosts user generated content on the site gets this protection. Media companies, social media companies, forums, whatever. They are all protected from liability for what non-employees say.

      And I have seen what happens already. Yahoo has disabled ALL comments on all articles- finance, news, sports. It is too much of a hassle, and so they will cancel it. That doesn’t keep them from posting a bunch of liberal garbage as news- it just prevents people from calling it out in their comments.

      You are giving liberals exactly what they want.

      1. The special status wasn’t the liability protections, the post office has that. It was the combination of liability protections plus censorship permission.

        they got to have their cake:
        “No provider or user of an interactive computer service shall be treated as the publisher or speaker”

        And eat it too:
        “(230) provides “Good Samaritan” protection from civil liability for operators of interactive computer services in the removal or moderation of third-party material they deem obscene or offensive, even of constitutionally protected speech”

        These in conjunction were extraordinary and to be honest, corporatist.

        If Yahoo, Facebook and Twitter want special protections that publishers don’t get, then they shouldn’t have the authority of publishers over their customers speech.

        1. It is not censorship if I own a website and decide what I want to allow on that website. It is private property and free speech — both bedrock principles of liberty.

          You are just butthurt that Trump isn’t going to be President of Canada for four more years. Or something.

          1. Yes. Stopping other people’s speech is totes libertarian, as long as your not government.
            I’m going to the a libertarian book-burying tomorrow as a matter of fact.

            Don’t like it? Then build your own internet. Right senpai?

            1. So, you need to decide whether you are going to stay in character or not.

            2. It is totally OK if I have rules of how you must behave when you are a guest in my house.

      2. On the other hand, that’s why I no longer look at anything on yahoo.

      3. How are you seeing the effect of 230 repeal before it happens? No, you are seeing the effect of a mismanaged organization desperate to control the narrative but unable to do so behind the scenes at scale.

        They post liberal garbage and if you can’t engage to counter the garbage people leave. The others pretend you can engage but behind the scenes limit that to only against controlled narratives and with proscribed opinions. I will take the honesty over the lie.

    2. “Faced with a choice of complete responsibility or a hands-off approach (like email, snail mail, phone calls, newsletters, blogs and every single other fucking form of public communication ever), they would choose the latter.”

      That’s not the choice.

      Section 230 isn’t really protecting them from liability if they lose in court. You’re not winning many or any cases on the basis of what some third party wrote anyway. Section 230 is protecting them from having to answer for lawsuits that shouldn’t be won anyway.

      The problem with those lawsuits is that winning lawsuits is an unprofitable waste of resources. You could go broke winning lawsuits. They’re in the business of selling advertising. Not spending a ridiculous amount of time and money defending themselves against a lawsuit because John called Shrike a pedo.

      That’s the ultimate question right there. Should Reason need to spend thousands of dollars defending themselves in court because John called Shrike a pedo?

  27. Question for the Republicans here: if both the Georgia U.S. Senate seats go to the Democrats because disgruntled Republicans stay away, is that still the libertarians’ fault?

    1. They don’t call the GOP the Stupid Party, without cause.

      1. Also, never underestimate the GOPe’s proclivity for snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

      2. Wait, I keep mixing up the Stupid Party with the Evil Party.

        1. How?

        2. You can identify the Evil Party because it is lead by Hitler. Oh, wait…

  28. Discovery+ is coming to a TV or device near you on January 4, 2021. It’ll cost $4.99 a month on the ad supported tier.

    Content will come from HGTV, Food Network, Discovery channel, Chip and Joanna Gains’ new Magnolia Network, A&E, History channel, Travel channel, and more! It’s basically like the newly launched Peacock Network or CBS All Access–only with the kind of programming you get from the Discovery family of channels.

    This message is brought to you by your fellow Americans intent on undermining cable and broadcast network news. Once you have the ability to get all this content without subscribing to cable (and without financially supporting the cable and network news channels you don’t watch), why pay hundreds of dollars a month or more for cable?

    In short, the ultimate reason why broadcast and cable news are able to get away with broadcasting the crap they do is because you (and people like you) subscribe to cable. Come January 4th, there will be even less reason to do that.

    1. What is this “cable”?

      1. I read somewhere recently that there was a high of some 100 cable subscribers a few years ago, and now the the number of cable subscribers has fallen to 80 million.

        Dropping 20 million cable subscribers is substantial–maybe more than enough to kill the profit margin at some of these operations. But aren’t we still in the early stages of the streaming revolution when 80% of the cable customers out there are still getting their programming in the same old expensive way?

        I think this is like back when, you know, 70% of the people with internet access had AOL dial up service, and some 90% of them were convinced that AOL’s website was the entirety of the internet. Eventually, people were bound to learn the truth. At one point, people thought Netscape was the company of the future because consumers were too stupid to figure out how to change their default homepage.

        There is a lag. I suspect most of the 80 million households with cable out there have heard of streaming, and they probably have Netflix in addition to their cable package. They haven’t figured out that there’s a whole internet out there beyond AOL’s website yet, and they don’t know how to change their default homepage. But they will.

        There are a ton of people out there who still don’t know they could thousands of dollars a year by switching to streaming. They just have no idea what we’re talking about. They may think we’re talking about watching TV on our phones and laptops or something.

        That’s why I bought a bunch of Roku players on sale on Black Friday, and I’m giving them to people I know haven’t tried streaming yet for Christmas. I tell them that there’s no need for cable TV anymore, and they just don’t understand what we’re talking about.

        I’ve read that when Columbus first came to Hispaniola, the indigenous people didn’t realize they were there until they the Spanish got into their longboats and came ashore. The locals weren’t looking for gigantic ships to come cruising into the bay. It just wasn’t in their realm of something that could happen, so they didn’t really see it until there was something concrete that they could recognize in their path of vision–like a small boat. After they saw that and the guys came ashore, they could see everything.

        Yes, a Roku player is like a conquistador.

        1. At our old apartment the only option we had for high-speed internet was cable. I want live TV for sports, specifically NCAA/NFL football and NHL hockey. To get every game I want, that means I need the broadcast and sports channels for FOX, CBS, NBC, ABC/ESPN, Big Ten Network, and NHL Network. I also like being able to watch South Park reruns and Rick and Morty.

          We could have dropped TV and just paid for cable internet, and then signed up for a live streaming service (FuboTV comes closest to what I want, but still doesn’t have everything). But that would have actually cost us more than bundling internet and TV through cable. So we paid $190/month and did that.

          We just moved and now we have fiber for $65/month. But the live streaming services all cost in the neighborhood of $50-$70/month, so while we’d be saving money compared to what we were paying, it wouldn’t be thousands of dollars per year. And as I said, none of the live TV streaming packages satisfy all my wants.

          We aren’t going back to cable, but I’m still not entirely sure what we’re going to do. But, for people in the situation I was in up until a month ago, cable is still the best option. And even now, it has its advantages.

          So there is a ways to go.

          1. Sports can be an issue.

            We’ll have to see what happens to Sinclair’s regional sports networks (colloquially known as Fox Sports). They’ve been in carriage disputes with both Hulu and YouTubeTV, who used to carry their broadcasts but don’t anymore.

            For local television broadcasts, there are two things you can do with streaming. The first is one I use–look at Tablo and AirTV. In both, you buy a small box to plug into your wireless router. You plug an antenna into the small box. There’s an app for both Tablo and AirTV (as well as your phone, tablet, etc.) for Roku and all the other streamers. You watch your local broadcast signal through an app at no cost (other than the Tablo/AirTV hardware). Works great!

            The other option is Locast, which is now in 25 major cities and covers almost 50% of the U.S. population. They rebroadcast the local free signal from all the local television stations in your market, and send it to their Locast app, which, again, is available on Roku and all other platforms. Did you say you were from Virginia? I went to school in New Market. Anyway, they’re in DC, so if you’re close to DC, you may be able to get all your local channels from them.

            No need to pay for FOX, CBS, NBC, ABC, or PBS.

            All that being said, you can also get all the sports you want through a streaming service called Fubo. Check out all the channels available here:

            https://www.fubo.tv/welcome/channels

            You get ABC, CBS, NBC, Fox, ESPN, ESPN 2, FS1, FS2, NBC Sports (4 different channels), Bein Sports (8 channels) (mostly soccer), CBS Sports Network, BIG Network (4 channels, formerly BIG10), The Golf Channel, The Olympic Channel, . . .

            It’s about as good as you’ll find anywhere for sports, it costs a fraction of what you’d pay for cable, you get all the other cable channels you usually watch, too, and if you want to subscribe to NFL Sunday Ticket, The NFL channel, NBA, MLB, or NHL Center Ice, you can do that from a streaming player with Roku and others.

            You’re getting ripped off if you’re paying for cable or satellite to watch all that stuff.

            1. Not from VA, but live in the Valley. I’m giving Fubo a try right now. Unfortunately it doesn’t get broadcast CBS games (so I miss a lot of the AFC) due to some regional issue.

              I’ll look into the other options you mentioned.

              1. In some areas, a subscription to the CBS All Access app gives you a live feed of your local CBS affiliate. For $5.99 a month during the football season, that might be worth it. You may be able to try it out with a free tryout period. On the left side of the menu, there should be a button for Live TV.

        2. Here’s the deal on streaming

          Each content producer network has their 3 to 10 channels of content, and a lot of people watch one or two things from each content producer network. Put them together and they start to add up to the price of Cable.

          Light TV watchers and/or people who don’t dig sports might get by with 1 or 2 networks, but I’d imagine that your more typical family is gonna need 5 to 8 network subscriptions to get everything they want. At that point you may as well go back to cable for its convenience.

          Personally, if you gave me cable services for free, I’d pass. Aside from Nascar (which gets posted to YT 3 days later), there’s nothing on it that’s worth spending my time watching.
          Prime is the only streaming service I pay for and really I’m running out of old shows I’d want to watch on it.

          1. There are three steaming platforms that try to tailor themselves to people who only watch a few channels.

            Philo is like that. It’s only $20 a month. The new TVision plan from T-Mobile (rolling out to non-T-Mobile customers in January) is $10 a month. Sling has more channels than the others–and it’s at $30 a month. None of them offer broadcast networks, but get an antenna or Locast to solve that, and you’re getting almost everything you want + Netflix for pretty darn cheap compared to what some people pay for cable.

            My folks were paying $270 a month for cable TV to three televisions + internet access. They were watching maybe 15 channels. Using the Discovery+ app, Peacock Network app (on the free tier) + Disney, Hulu, and Netflix, they’re paying a fraction of what they were before, getting more and better content, and from their perspective, best of all, they can use a Roku remote for everything rather than having to switch between HDMI channels every time they want to watch Netflix and using two remotes.

            As more and more of these networks come online, we’ll have more and more options. Sometimes they time things. They wait for the first four episodes of The Mandalorian to come out before they sign up for Disney+ for a month, cancel their subscription a minute later–and then they get to watch the Mandalorian through the end of the series and only pay for one month. You need to make choices when you have more control, but in my book, that’s a good thing. And among the choices you get to make with streaming is that you get to choose to save money if you want.

    2. I’m considering options for more accurate and objective news, but I haven’t seen much worth watching on Food Network, Discovery channel, A&E, History channel, or Travel channel, which tend to broadcast reruns of mindless BS (although I occasionally enjoy a chef challenging Bobby Flay to a cook off).

      1. Everybody is starving for content right now–in or out of the Discovery channel family–except for the cooking shows, which are easy to make with social distancing in place because there’s only one host.

        The point is that when these productions start back up, IF IF IF this is the kind of thing you like to watch (and a lot of guys do like watching gold mining shows, car shows, etc. on various Discovery family channels), then you won’t need cable anymore to watch these shows when production picks up again.

        Also, FWIW, Chip and Joanna Gains’ Magnolia Network has been shooting content for their shows since before the pandemic for the roll out of their whole network. There may be a fat dose of new content just for that. In the meantime, you’ll be getting a dozen seasons of some of people’s favorite shows, which they can’t get right now without the DiscoveryGO app, etc–which they probably don’t even know about unless they’re already streaming.

        The other point is that if you can’t find any news you like to watch on cable (or via network news via cable), why pay for cable? They say the average person saves more than $75 a month by streaming, and there is very little content you can’t get to your TV through streaming.

        Meanwhile, the cable and broadcast network news channels are getting paid through your subscription to cable whether you watch their channel or not. It makes me sad to think of all those conservatives out there who are paying for ABC, CNN, MSNBC, etc. when they hate those channels. The reason those channels can finance the crap news they peddle is because conservatives are paying for it–even if they aren’t watching it. If you move to streaming, you can choose platforms that don’t carry the news channels you hate–and still get all the channels on TV that you love.

        And as more and more people move to streaming, ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, MSBNC, etc. will be forced to start competing for viewers instead of just collecting money from subscription fees regardless of whether conservatives are watching.

    3. except where there is no internet we can only get satalite which is like cabel

      1. Have you signed up for SpaceX’s internet service?

        https://www.starlink.com/

        You need to be rural to get it, but the reports from people who got it are all great.

        The latency is low enough to play games online and be competitive. Streaming wouldn’t be a problem at all.

        Musk putting up all those small satellites in low earth orbit so cheaply was all about appealing to customers like you.

    4. So if it’s not on cable and has ads, why the fuck does it require a subscription? No thanks.

      1. The subscription is like what they would have gotten from you through their channels if they were on your cable package.

        Normally, you would be paying $3 to $5 a piece per month for every one of those channels. If you subscribe to Discovery+, you’re getting that content for only $4.99 a month. It’s a bargain compared to cable.

        And the adds are like on Peacock’s free tier. The reason commercial breaks are so long on cable is because the the Discovery Network or NBC is splitting that ad revenue with the cable company. When you’re just watching through Peacock’s or Discovery+’s app, you’re getting three commercial breaks, but the commercials are only one minute long. There’s one before the show starts, one minute in the middle, and one minute at the end.

        For an extra dollar, you can get it all without commercial breaks. I find the one minute commercials a good things on Peacock. I can get up and grab something to drink in a minute and not miss anything.

      2. Would you rather pay $3 to $5 a piece per month for 10 channels–and get 15 minutes of commercials every hour?

        Or would you rather get all ten channels for $5 per month and only 5 minutes of commercials per hour?

        https://www.cordcuttersnews.com/discovery-officially-announces-discovery-with-january-launch-date/

    5. Discovery family of networks and the ESPN platform are basically half of what I watch for all my 1200+ channels.

      I might be switching off the cable in the not-too-distant future.

      1. They’re making it easier and easier to cut the cord.

    6. Actually, that sounds really promising and interesting, Ken. Thanks for sharing.

  29. Prominent Libertarian Penn Jillette:

    EXCLUSIVE: ‘He’s a loser who did true damage to this country!’ Magician and former Celebrity Apprentice star Penn Jillette slams Donald Trump as a ‘clear villain’ and blames him for thousands of Covid deaths on Michael Cohen’s podcast

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9011645/Magician-former-Celebrity-Apprentice-star-Penn-Jillette-slams-Donald-Trump-clear-villain.html

    1. Proving libertarians have become Koch sucking Lincoln project wannabes.

    2. Blaming a politician not named Andrew Cuomo or Phil Murphy for COVID deaths is one of the least libertarian stances one can take.

      Unless you’re institutionalized, it’s your job to manage your risks. COVID’s been around for a year, and the subject of transmission has been beaten to death. That’s on you if you still won’t do so.

    3. Then why did cases spike after Biden got elected to the office of president elect?

    4. Libertarian-e, like he always was:
      “I’m socially left, support abortion, hate religion and am totally cool with the way that sex and drugs works for the American upper-middle class elite.”
      He’s sooo contrarian.

    5. turd finds another celebrity with TDS!
      How……………..
      pathetic.

    6. Wow, I believed what I believed because of facts and logic, but if Penn Gillette said something stupid, then I guess there’s nothing left for me to do but change my mind . . .

      Is that what I’m supposed to think?!

      You know what’s really amazing?

      Shrike has been here at a libertarian website for more than a decade, and he still doesn’t know the difference between something persuasive and an appeal to authority fallacy.

      That’s dense.

      1. Dumbfucks gonna dumbfuck.

    7. I thought he didn’t talk?

  30. “Campaigners say ‘common sense has prevailed’ as High Court rules children under 16 are unlikely to be able to give ‘informed consent’ to take puberty blockers.”

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  32. CNN’s Jake Tapper tweets “The US Wednesday reports a record-high number of new Covid-19 deaths, per Johns Hopkins University, with 2,658 deaths so far, topping the previous highest number set in April.”

    So much for the effectiveness of school and business lockdowns, and mask mandates imposed by left wing Trump hating Democrat Governors since March.

    The same Democrats and left wing media propagandists also repeatedly denounced Sweden for not locking down schools and businesses, and for not imposing a mask mandate.

    But since June 1, Sweden’s covid mortality rate has been 126 per million, compared to 429 per million in the US.

    In sum, there was never any scientific evidence indicating that lockdowns or mask mandates would protect public health.

    But of course, no Democrats or left wing media hacks have yet to acknowledge they’ve been dead wrong about virtually everything involving covid they claimed was “based on science”.

    1. Time to start welding doors shut.

    2. I wonder if CNN would like to discuss JHU’s recently released, then hidden, study showing zero excess deaths this year? Crickets?

  33. Trump to veto the defense spending bill. Finally, something good.

    Oh wait, Trump has had fewer vetoes than any president since… Harding.

    But maybe he will grow a backbone and actually do it. I dare him.

    1. Maybe your TDS will prove fatal.

    2. Oh wait, Trump has had fewer vetoes than any president since… Harding.

      WTHF? That’s not even remotely correct. He vetoed the fewest number of bills since Obama, who had the fewest number of vetoes since Fillmore. It’s wrong to the point that I don’t think you know what the word ‘veto’ means or how the government works.

    3. try tennis.

    4. If you’re going to dunk on Trump by comparing him to one of the most conservative Presidents in the last 100 years, it would help to do so on something a bit more substantive, like spending.

  34. “‘Autonomous Zone’ NYC Bar Shut Down, Owner Arrested After Openly Defying COVID Rules”
    […]
    “The bar’s decision to continue their indoor food and drink service while in an orange zone resulted in them facing a cease and desist order, daily fines of $1,000 each day and having their liquor license suspended…”
    https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/coronavirus/staten-island-bar-gets-shut-down-owner-arrested-after-openly-defying-ny-covid-measures/2755530/

    Hope he sets up a go-fund-me account, like the salon owner in TX.

  35. “Apparently even Bill Barr may not be sycophantic and corrupt enough for Trump:”

    Expect this kind of “journalistic expression” to completely disappear come 2021, regardless of how corrupt Biden’s administration and how sycophantic the MSM is to the administration.

  36. “Former Presidents Obama, Bush and Clinton volunteer to get coronavirus vaccine publicly to prove it’s safe”

    Why the hell does everyone want me to take the vaccine so badly? Especially those people.

    If you want people to stop being paranoid, stop being so fucking creepy.

    I’m reminded of an anecdote from The Devil in the White City. The serial killer, James Holmes is trying to a lure a girl into his murder/torture hotel and he almost succeeds, but at the last second ruins it by saying “Don’t be afraid”. The girl later said that she was going to go with him until he said that.

    1. And who assumes I’ll take an action because two losers and an adulterer will?

    2. Yeah, I may have a disorder or something, but when I get told something is ‘for my own good’, ‘for the greater good’, or ‘for the public good’, I instinctively shy away from it. My reaction to ‘don’t be afraid’ is ‘why the fuck would you even say that?!’.

      I suspect the disorder I suffer from is common sense.

    3. considering there is no reason for anyone under 70 to take it

      1. Oh, they’ll manufacture some reasons. First up, international flight. You wait, that’ll just be the first step…

    4. Once again, they’re making Trump, the lowest common denominator, look good.

    5. Hey people for whom the default assumption, based on all available evidence/experience, should be that they’re lying – politicians, major media, public health officials/activists – totes have our best interests in mind when telling us to just alter our RNA a little bit…

  37. You’d think an expose about how comically biased CNN actually is would have been worthy of a mention.

    Oh…Reason dislikes journalism.

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    2. if now is not the time to dogpile CNN, when is?

    3. They’re probably unaware of it. Twitter has not allowed them to see it, so they haven’t.

  38. a philanderer, draft dodger and Kenyan walk into a general practitioner’s …

  39. “The president promised he would veto the bill if it didn’t repeal Section 230.”

    Wow! Preserve the internet AND cut defense spending? Sounds like a win-win.

    1. Preserve the internet status quo AND cut defense spending? Sounds like a win-win.

      Reason’s “The end of section 230 = the end of the internet” is bordering on psychosis. Like they would go to war to prevent Twitter from being liable for the things they publish.

      1. You have to understand that copying and pasting Tweets is how these people are employed. Anything that jeopardizes that is bad.

        You expect them to what, go do actual journalism? Get the fuck out of here.

        1. You expect them to what, go do actual journalism? Get the fuck out of here.

          This is the facade to my point. I’m (not really) fine with the fake journalism. I get wanting to keep a job. It’s the “If we have to spend another $10B and 10K lives in Iraq so that we can keep doing fake libertarian journalism, so be it.” that is patently evil/psychotic.

          Operation Chokepoint threatened my job/industry, arguably more critically than section 230 did/does Reason’s. If the choice was between OC costing me my job and ending the war, I’d still oppose OC, but agree that ending a war was likely (almost certainly) the greater good.

          Reason, OTOH, seems certain that their ability to retweet Twitter’s lies and illogical/unreasonable hot takes is more important than cutting defense spending and sacrificing lives both American, Iraqi, and other. It leans ever so slightly in the direction that, despite anything they say, they endorse conquering backwards parts of the world to bring them Twitter rightthink.

  40. They did such good jobs in Syria, Libya, and Iraq, that we can expect all three former Presidents to walk around those countries, visit the embassies, sans protection, right? If they can’t/won’t do that, why would I assume they give a shit about the safety of a vaccine?

    Instead, how about a former-President round of “You have to inject the syringe to find out what’s in the syringe.”? That I’d watch.

    1. That is a truly bizarre argument.

      “I have grievances against these former Presidents’ foreign policy, which are totally irrelevant to a discussion of vaccines, but, by golly, I’m going to shoehorn it in!l

      1. Absolutely senpai, the Reason comments are no place for wryly humorous fantasies about previous presidents and their policies.
        Thank goodness you’re here to say “No fun allowed”.

      2. Sorry if I was too obtuse:

        It’s not like these guys are Barry Marshall, drinking a culture of their own concoction in support of their fundamental ideas and beliefs in order to overcome a broadly recalcitrant norm. Nobody’s saying people who want the vaccine shouldn’t be able to get it.

        More critically, each one of these men demonstrated (both iteratively and recursively) what, at this point, is unquestioned deceptive behavior in concerted efforts to expend American lives in pursuit of fruitless aims. Why, now, should I believe that they would virtuously sacrifice risk their own lives in defense of American lives?

        1. You weren’t obtuse, Dee’s just not very bright.

  41. https://www.thedailybeast.com/rudy-giuliani-attempts-to-shush-unhinged-witness-during-election-fraud-hearing

    “At one point, during an exchange with GOP Rep. Steve Johnson, Carone grew animated and began yelling when the lawmaker questioned how her claim that a batch of 30,000 votes counted multiple times wouldn’t be reflected in the poll book.

    “’We’re not seeing the poll book off by 30,000 votes,’ Johnson said.

    “’What’d you guys do, take it and do something crazy to it?’ Carone fired back, dramatically raising both of her eyebrows.

    “’I’m just saying the numbers are not off by 30,000 votes,’ Johnson calmly replied.

    “’I’d say that poll book is off by over 100,000 [votes],’ she declared with an air of complete confidence. Then she started lecturing the lawmaker, telling him there were ‘zero registered voters’ in the county’s poll book.

    “When Johnson tried once more to ask her about her outlandish claims, Carone loudly wondered about the turnout rate being ‘120 percent,’ prompting Giuliani to reach over to calm her down, all while audibly ‘shushing’ her.”

    1. Nobody’s taken your bait, senpai…
      Now what do we do?

      1. You did, compadre.

  42. This country was founded by free men who put their lives on the line to throw off the yoke of tyranny.

    Airlines Can Treat Emotional Support Critters Like Pets Instead of Service Animals

    Our government makes rules about this. Our founders are rolling over in their graves.

  43. https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/528508-pro-trump-attorneys-tell-georgians-not-to-vote-in-runoff-until-votes-are

    Never mind that the Democrat’s will control the Senate if Georgia Republicans don’t get out and vote in the runoff.

    “Attorneys L. Lin Wood and Sidney Powell reportedly urged Georgia voters this week not to vote in the pivotal Senate runoff elections in January until their votes are ‘secure,’ with Wood specifically telling people not to back GOP Sens. Kelly Loeffler (Ga.) and David Perdue (Ga.) until they take action on the matter.”

    1. Golly senpai, still no nibbles.
      Maybe we should go back to acting out in order to try and get Jesse’s attention, or say something weird about Canadians.

      1. Nah, I’m good if JesseAz goes away permanently.

  44. “Carriers are not required to recognize emotional support animals as service animals and may treat them as pets.” Following an onslaught of passengers bringing “unusual species” of animals on flights for emotional support, the U.S. Department of Transportation (DOT) is backtracking on its guidance regarding airlines and service animals.

    What other Human Right will the Trump administration destroy before the Age of Biden can finally begin?

    1. Animal Rights are Human Rights too!

  45. Florida authorities illegally spied on citizens, spent years of police time and public resources, possibly ruined multiple lives, and went on a hero’s publicity campaign while saving no one and stealing about $45,000 from a few immigrant sex workers.

    we’re talking about “authorities”. What is surprising about this to anyone?

  46. Nick Gillespie interviews outgoing Federal Communications Commission chair Ajit Pai.

    one of the most underrated heroes of the trump admin.

    “net neutrality” is one of my litmus tests for if you are a fool who knows nothing. the most adamant and passionate neutrality folks are the most ignorant on earth. they are the flat-earthers of economics.

  47. Story here: The three most recent former presidents hope an awareness campaign to promote confidence in its safety and effectiveness would be a powerful message as American public health officials try to convince the public to take the vaccine. https://t.co/3B9vbDO8M0

    Fuck. Off.

  48. A judge on Wednesday ordered Los Angeles County public health officials to show scientific evidence justifying the outdoor dining ban imposed last week amid soaring coronavirus cases

    even in California, sanity can sometimes manifest

  49. An update on the ongoing stimulus talks, with the only points that matter highlighted:

    “But Mr. McConnell also noted that Democrats’ shifting stance hadn’t eliminated many of the policy divisions that have stymied negotiations for months. Some of the most stubborn sticking points include funding for state and local governments prioritized by Democrats, but derided by President Trump as a bailout for Democratic-run states, as well as legal protections Republicans are seeking for businesses and other entities operating during the pandemic.

    “The underlying reality is still with us: There are many important policies that have strong bipartisan support; there are many others that do not,” Mr. McConnell said. The GOP leader has urged Democrats to agree to legislation that only includes items that both sides agree on, but which excludes many of Democrats’ top priorities, including funding for state and local governments, food stamps and rental assistance.”

    —-WSJ

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/mcconnell-calls-democratic-shift-on-coronavirus-stimulus-a-move-in-the-right-direction-11607011152?

    There is no good reason to think that President Trump will cave on this. There is no good reason to think the Republican senate will cave to Pelosi’s demands, and there is no good reason to think Pelosi will cave to Trump and the Republicans’ demands when she’s about to get a Democratic President in the White House.

    You wait a couple of months!

    In the meantime, official jobless benefits applications were down 75,000 last week, after rising for the two weeks prior. The justification for stimulus continues to evaporate–especially with the vaccine making its way to a drug store pharmacy near you.

    1. Georgia is the key. No question about that. With a 52-48 senate none of Biden’s nonsense can happen.

      1. Yea, totes have faith in The System!

  50. Georgia calling special session of state legislature. Looks like democrat plan to steal an election failed. Plus 16EC for trump.

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