Election 2020

No, Trump Did Not Concede the Election (Even Briefly)

The president still insists the election was stolen by a vast criminal conspiracy.

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A Sunday morning tweet by President Donald Trump set off a flurry of misleading reports suggesting he had finally admitted that he lost his bid for reelection. "Trump says for the first time Biden won the election," CNN said. "Trump says Biden won," BBC News announced. "Referring to Mr. Biden, the president said that 'he won,'" The New York Times reported. "That represented the first time Mr. Trump had publicly said what his advisers have been telling him for days privately: His re-election bid failed and Mr. Biden will be inaugurated on Jan. 20."

But what Trump actually said was perfectly consistent with what he has been saying since Election Day: "He won because the Election was Rigged." In other words, Biden did not really win; it looks that way only because of a massive fraud that deprived Trump of his rightful victory. The president added: "NO VOTE WATCHERS OR OBSERVERS allowed, vote tabulated by a Radical Left privately owned company, Dominion, with a bad reputation & bum equipment that couldn't even qualify for Texas (which I won by a lot!), the Fake & Silent Media, & more!"

Later on Sunday morning, presumably after seeing how that tweet was being portrayed, Trump posted this clarification: "He only won in the eyes of the FAKE NEWS MEDIA. I concede NOTHING! We have a long way to go. This was a RIGGED ELECTION!"

Although the Times described that follow-up tweet as a "flip-flop," it was nothing of the sort. Trump continues to maintain that Republican observers were barred from count rooms (which is not true) and that election software produced by Dominion Voting Systems deleted votes for him (which is not true either). And although he lately has eschewed the word fraud, instead insisting that the election was "RIGGED," the implication is the same: Biden supporters across the country conspired to change vote tallies so it would look like the former vice president won. This scheme allegedly involved hundreds of thousands (or possibly "millions") of votes—enough to erase Trump's initial leads and allow Biden to claim electoral votes in battleground states such as Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Arizona.

Although post-election lawsuits filed by Republicans do not come close to substantiating this conspiracy theory, that is what Trump claims to believe. Does he really believe it?

"He knows it's over," an unnamed "adviser" told Times reporter Maggie Haberman last week. Haberman summed up the accounts of "a half-dozen advisers and people close to the president" this way:

Instead of conceding, they said, he is floating one improbable scenario after another for staying in office while he contemplates his uncertain post-presidency future.

There is no grand strategy at play…Mr. Trump is simply trying to survive from one news cycle to the next, seeing how far he can push his case against his defeat and ensure the continued support of his Republican base. By dominating the story of his exit from the White House, he hopes to keep his millions of supporters energized and engaged for whatever comes next.

But according to the same article, "the president has insisted to aides that he really defeated Joseph R. Biden Jr. on Nov. 3," although "it is unclear whether he actually believes it." Haberman notes that "instead of conducting discreet requests for recounts, Mr. Trump has made a series of spurious claims, seizing on conspiracies fanned on the internet."

Given his long history of self-flattering delusions, I am inclined to take the president at his word: He sincerely thinks the election was stolen, because believing otherwise would mean he qualifies for the epithet he routinely hurls at his opponents. The question is how much longer Republicans will continue to aid and abet his ego-salving fantasy.

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  1. “Trump continues to maintain that Republican observers were barred from count rooms (which is not true)”

    So, to be clear – there were always Republican observers present when the votes were counted, except when the observers didn’t feel like being there?

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    2. No, Republicans were always there. Trump’s complaint is that there were only the same number of Republican as Democrat observers. As long as ONE Republican was barred, Trump thinks all were barred. He can’t even bother to look at the actual facts.

      In no district were the Republican Party denied access to the counting.

      1. No, Republicans were always there. Trump’s complaint is that there were only the same number of Republican as Democrat observers.

        Actually, lying cunt, that’s a lie. The complaint is that Republican poll challengers were literally escorted out of the building, and when access was eventually restored it was not “meaningful” access since they were forced to stand hundreds of feet away from the ballot counters where no observation of the process was possible.

        In no district were the Republican Party denied access to the counting.

        Actually, lying cunt, that’s a lie.

        1. No poll worker wants some foul smelling Trump Trash standing directly behind them while counting votes.

          1. Big talk from a guy who’s been fermenting in his mom’s basement since he was old enough to avoid school.

            1. This article on today’s Coup-o-meter:

              Step 1: Get mail-in voting approved to guarantee a non-credible election result.

              Step 2: Have the establishment media immediately proclaim Biden as winner.

              Step 3: Use media to make it “true” that Trump lost. Frame any challenges to the narrative as the ragings of a dictator, clinging to power. <— TODAY'S ARTICLE

              Step 4: If the courts and congress find Trump’s electoral victory is legitimate, claim that it’s not. Activate rioters.

              Step 5: Remove Trump by non-Constitutional means. Frame it as saving the nation.

              1. “Use media to make it “true” that Trump lost. Frame any challenges to the narrative as the ragings of a dictator, clinging to power.“

                Sure, right, Trump’s own tweets have nothing to do with the perception that he is now a ranting maniac, clinging to power.

                1. “HE WROTE MEAN TWEETS PEOPLE!1!”

                  1. Wow! What kind of fools would expect a POTUS to act Presidential, or even, like a rational, even-tempered adult?!?!

                    1. Because not sounding ‘presidential’ is far worse than warmongering.

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                    3. You mean presidential like Andrew Jackson who when an assassin’s gun misfires proceeds to beat the gentleman nearly to death with his cane?

                2. Trump’s commentary isn’t helping. But if the democrats really want to heal political divides and improve trust in elections, they should be pushing for an open and credible investigation into all of these complaints. Even if it is BS, enough people are suspicious of the results that you can’t just dismiss them as nutters without making the political situation even more divisive and stupid.

        2. [i]cunt[/i]

          Is that really necessary?

          It *is* possible to call someone a liar without being needlessly insulting.

          1. That’s true, but in the interest of accuracy . . .

          2. [i]cunt[/i]

            Hey- maybe tone down the salty language bud. Think of the children having to read this word twice now.

              1. You fucking cunts and your dirty language.

          3. We are dealing with a bunch of ass eaters, so yes, salty language is necessary.

          4. Maybe he’s Australian, and you’re just being culturally insensitive.

      2. Someone must’ve stolen Brandybuck’s nick. I’m sure he’d never come here to tell outright lies like this.

        1. Sadly that’s been his beat for some time now.

          1. His? I always assumed Brandy was a she, maybe a xer? Either way, it’s been a lying bitch for some time.

    3. Trump vs biden is gonna be a glorious win for Trump just like Bush won bush vs gore.

      The election fraud is wide spread and irrevocably unfixable. Mailin ballots are by definition fraudulent since it is impossible to verify if the registered voter voted.its why for centuries, in person voting was the main way to vote with very few absentee ballots being sent out to military voters that request them.

      Add in corruption with ballots counters disallowing observers, the vote count updates suddenly stopping around 3am for hours, software vulnerabilities and miscounts, and voters sending in mailin ballots and then voting in person.

      You have massive and unprecedented election fraud by democrats.

      The constitution provides a remedy. Articles, I and II and the 12th amendment. Void every state’s election results and send the president choice to the House. no democrat conspiracy ever tries to steal an election again with election fraud.

      1. The media is freaking out because they sense what is coming.

        First, the MSM gave all of new england to Biden with 0% reporting because thats just the way it is.
        Second the MSM refused to give Call states for Trump until States were called for biden giving an illusion of EC lead.
        Then when Trump declared victory based on massive in person leads and mailin ballots percentages giving Trump a lead, the MSM declared it ludicrous and “every vote should be counted”
        Then when biden needed certain states but Trump was leading, the states were deemed “too close to call”.
        When biden lead by a few hundred votes, those states were called for Biden or leaning biden.
        The n when massive election fraud and MSM propaganda had effectively turned this election into a Soviet era election where commies win no matter what, the MSM demands that Trump concede.
        When Trump fights back, as he has for 4 years, lefties do everything to hide actual events with counts, recounts, and election legal actions.

        1. Does it feel different now that you live in a blue state?

      2. Mail-In Ballots have been used for DECADES dude.

        Shows how informed you really are. XD

        1. What appears different this time is that ballots were mailed to all registered voters rather than the voters having to request a ballot, as we do for absentee ballots. And counting ballots that arrived after Nov 3.

          The problem is that this procedure is impossible to make secure or to prove fraud. There will never be a way to know whether fraud was committed. Just like the Donkeys planned.

          1. Uninformed, delusional, paranoid bigots are perhaps my favorite culture war casualties.

            1. big·ot
              /ˈbiɡət/
              a person who is obstinately or unreasonably attached to a belief, opinion, or faction, especially one who is prejudiced against or antagonistic toward a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular group.

              Example: Rev. Arthur L. Kirkland

            2. Unable to engage in discussion, fool turns to name-calling, as usual.

          2. I can see why you would be upset that the American Voter was forced to participate in a presidential election. It all makes sense now!

    4. Nah I think Trump should not do it. What is there to gain here? Pardoning criminals who are ardent Biden supporters? Who colluded with foreign governments, other criminals, and democrats. Who if released would then go on to throw Trump and his supporters under the bus………VISIT HERE FOR FULL DETAIL .

    5. Trump campaign claims Philadelphia defying court-ordered election observation

      They were, in fact, being obstructed, and had to go to a judge to get it stopped.

      There was also the Fulton county water leak, where they stopped counting, told the observers it would resume the next day after repairs were done, and then resumed counting after the observers were gone.

      Additionally, the city took the position that satellite voting sites weren’t legally “polling places”, and barred poll watchers from them.

      The “fact checking” sites are working overtime denying that any of this happened, but you can find contemporary news reports confirming it.

  2. The POTUS lives in make-believe land.

    BUT, He is hoping that the Proud Boys, Steve Bannon, Alex Jones, and Pepe-the-Stolen-IP-4Chan-Frog will head up the coup that will save Him!

    1. The POTUS lives in make-believe land.

      No, it’s just that Sullum and you fantasize that he lives in make-believe land.

      Changing the outcome of this election took very little and required no conspiracy. Only a dozen people creating fake ballots could have done it, or just a couple of IT professionals in the right location. And the voting patterns are sufficiently unusual that this seems like a good possibility.

      Going to the courts if you suspect voting fraud is the right thing to do, whether or not it overturns the outcome of the election. Trump is breaking with tradition (though no more than Gore), but he is doing the right thing: he is challenging the election in court, he is not treating Biden as president-elect until the electoral college has met, and Trump knows that he is going to leave office on January 20, 2021, unless a miracle happens. Sorry if following the law makes you feel uncomfortable.

      I think the most interesting outcome would be if Biden becomes president and voting fraud is proven conclusively afterwards. In fact, at this point, that’s the outcome I’m hoping for, and it’s the best outcome for libertarians.

      1. Delusional, disaffected bigots are among my favorite culture war casualties.

        1. Delusional fake lawyers, fake poll watchers, fake reverends are among my decidedly obtuse culture war casualties.

          1. https://twitter.com/EmeraldRobinson/status/1328153399620218882?s=19

            So the votes for 30 states are sent to a Canadian firm which subcontracts its software to a Venezuelan firm that counts the votes after they arrive at a Barcelona-based firm that had a remote server in Germany?

        2. Delusional, disaffected bigots are among my favorite culture war casualties.

          Too much self-love and your palms go hairy.

        3. The good Reverend has become delusional from too much ass eating.

          1. Watching superstitious, obsolete bigots implode is nearly as enjoyable as watching Joseph R. Biden prepare to be inaugurated as president while Donald R. Trump prepares to try to avoid bankruptcy and imprisonment at the hands of his betters.

            1. Someone doesn’t see the irony is their use of the word

              big·ot
              /ˈbiɡət/

              a person who is obstinately or unreasonably attached to a belief, opinion, or faction, especially one who is prejudiced against or antagonistic toward a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular group.

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      2. Beside the lawsuits, he is putting out numerous tweets and other communications saying he really won, that the Democrats cheated, and that he should be “immediately” credited with electoral college votes without waiting for the lawsuits to be resolved. Is this also “the right thing to do”?

        1. Maybe it’s just that famous hyperbole and exaggeration that you’re always using to hand-wave your total and complete devotion to Democratic Party politics on your sarcasmic account.

        2. Beside the lawsuits, he is putting out numerous tweets and other communications saying he really won, that the Democrats cheated, and that he should be “immediately” credited with electoral college votes without waiting for the lawsuits to be resolved. Is this also “the right thing to do”?

          What do you think does more damage, hyperbole and braggadocio or outright lies?

          Trump engages in hyperbole and braggadocio; Biden to this very day repeats the “very fine people” lie, the Russian collusion lie, and the sundry lies about his own history and political beliefs.

        3. Yes, because he really won, the Democrats cheated, and he should be credited with the electoral college votes.

          It creeps me out how a purported ‘both sides’er like you can completely ignore the massive amount of blatant fraud being committed by Dem AG’s. This is essentially a coup.
          It’s almost like you’re a Dem party operative ‘merely pretending’ to be neutral.

          1. Your tin-foil hat is BADLY broken! You have tuned in Hunter Biden and Alex Jones, both of whom are scrambling your puny brain waves!

            1. Take your Adderall, Sqrlsy dear.

            2. It’s time for you to join me.

            3. You’re one to talk about anyone’s tin foil hat.

      3. “I think the most interesting outcome would be if Biden becomes president and voting fraud is proven conclusively afterwards. In fact, at this point, that’s the outcome I’m hoping for, and it’s the best outcome for libertarians”

        No, it’s really not.

    2. Tell us more about how Russia colluded with the Trump campaign to steal the last election and how the 4 year long effort to remove Trump from office and the months of riots, rape, murder, arson, assault, battery, and theft by Antifa and BLM were totally legitimate and definitely not a coup though.

    3. He should have used his unlimited tyrannical powers and used the military to conduct the recount. That’s what a true maniacal fascist would have done.

  3. “He knows it’s over,” an unnamed “adviser” told Times reporter Maggie Haberman last week. Haberman summed up the accounts of “a half-dozen advisers and people close to the president” this way…

    Nothing adds credibility to a story like paraphrasing a NYT article quoting unnamed sources.

    1. The exchange rate for credible accusations is one anonymous NYT source to eleventy billion eyewitnesses with signed affidavits. Trump’s team has yet to reach that many, so its not looking good for him.

      1. You might say, the walls are closing in!

    2. Jacob showed up on a Sunday to regurgitate NYT unattributed fake news. I’m going to assume that Koch is not paying a bonus for weekend TDS articles but that Jacob honestly believes libertarians might reach the wrong conclusions without his guidance. Thanks Jacob for your selfless effort. And fuck you Jacob.

      1. Lefties are getting nervous because Trump wont concede and he has support.

        Just like when lefties tried to coup Trump the first time. Democrats lied and lied then lost.

        Election 2020 is more of the same. Lies and lies in the form of massive election fraud and MSM declaring biden a winner. Then supporting the threats of appellate attorneys for Trump. The democrat party is a criminal syndicate and terrorist organization. Ample evidence to void every state election results and send the president pick to the House under the 12th amendment.

        1. The democrat party is a criminal syndicate and terrorist organization.

          Hail Hydra

          /sarc

  4. Donald the Lame-Duck is sooo lame!
    Always, NOT Him! OTHERS get blame!
    He wants to set the nation aflame!
    Getting His Way? Would be a great shame!
    In His Mind, NO ONE is above Him!
    But someone, somewhere, should shove Him!

    1. His ego? It’s utterly blown-up!
      He’s anything but a grown-up!

      1. Mentally ill man
        Obsessed with president trump
        Can’t write poetry

        1. Trumpty Dumpty, He’s quite off-the-wall,
          Trumpty Dumpty won’t stay in His toilet stall
          He just goes ahead and takes His shits,
          Totally regardless of whereever He sits
          Whenever He simply, no way, can sleep,
          He Twits us His thoughts, they’re all SOOO deep!
          He simply must, He MUST, Twit us His bird,
          No matter the words, however absurd!
          He sits and snorts His coke with a spoon,
          Then He brazenly shoots us His moon!
          They say He’ll be impeached by June,
          Man, oh man, June cannot come too soon!
          So He sits and jiggles His balls,
          Then He Twitters upon the walls
          “Some come here to sit and think,
          Some come here to shit and stink
          But I come here to scratch my balls,
          And read the writings on the walls
          Here I sit, My cheeks a-flexin’
          Giving birth to another Texan!
          Here I sit, on the pooper,
          Giving birth to another state trooper!
          He who writes these lines of wit,
          Wraps His Trump in little balls,
          He who reads these lines of wit,
          Eats those loser’s balls of shit!”

          1. Nobody reads your shit.

            1. I have SQRLSY dyslexia or something, my eyes literally unfocus.

          2. Blah blah blah!

        2. Totemo yoi. Dillinger would approve of this.

    2. Blah blah blah

  5. The fact that Trump can not concede simple adds to his status as a loser. A winner is gracious in loss, accepts the fact, and moves on to plan for the future. Expect Trump to simply collapse into his denial, for most of us to just ignore it, forget about him and move on. I believe that the longer he hold out in denial the quicker he will be forgotten after January 20th.

    1. How is a “winner” gracious in “loss.” Those are opposing ideas. If you won, then you didn’t lose. Or is this some transgender thing where one thing is not like the other and we redefine it every time we bring it up.

      BUT was Clinton gracious in her loss. No because she was not a winner and she was as ungracious as possible. In fact she told Biden not to concede at all. So the democrats don’t deserve any consideration here.

      1. “…she was as ungracious as possible.”

        SHE was a grown-up, making a concession speech within 24 hours of her loss being clear for all to see! And Obama gracefully made way for Der TrumpfenFurher, showing Him around the White House, and making way for a smooth power transfer! NONE of which we are getting out of Sore Loser Trumpster-to-the-Dumpster!

        And the followers of the Unholy Alliance of Der TrumpfenFurher and Alex Jones willy-nilly swallow ALL lies that come their way! Apparently Hunter Biden and his Evil-Space-Alien-Allies mind-controlled tens of millions of voters to vote for Biden! THAT is just about the only way that this “massive fraud” bullshit might be true!

        1. SHE told Biden not to concede and that was in August of 2020. Fuck you.

          1. Bill and Hillary were grown-ups. Even Der TrumpfenFuhrer acknowledged that! Now it is Der TrumpfenFuhrer’s turn to be a grown-up instead of a SORE LOSER!!!

            https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2016/11/11/donald-trump-cbs-interview-hillary-clinton-concession-call-sot.cnn
            Donald Trump: Concession call with Clinton was lovely
            Situation Room

            In a “60 Minutes” interview, President-elect Donald Trump details the concession calls he received from Bill and Hillary Clinton after he won the 2016 presidential election.

            1. Lmfao. Ask Jill Stein about that. Or James Comey. Both of whom Clinton LAST WEEK blamed for her loss 4 FUCKING YEARS AGO.

              Also, it kinda makes sense to concede when the only evidence of voting irregularities was in your favor and you still lost, as in 2016. When the voting irregularities are in favor of your opponent, and the vote counts haven’t been completed, and no state has certified their results, and there’s still a month until the electoral college meets, and you have dozens of pending lawsuits and state and federal investigations to complete, it would be quite stupid to concede. Chris Gregoire didn’t concede after losing 2 recounts. Al Franken didn’t concede after losing 2 recounts. Al Gore didn’t concede after losing 2 recounts. Trump certainly shouldn’t concede before the first fucking count is finished. It’s wonderful watching you cry like a pathetic little bitch about this though.

              1. I’m soooo sorry that your Great Whitish-Orangish Pumpkin-Father has been CHEATED out of His Office by evil Demoncrats! I suggest that you might be able to retreat to your safe space… I hear they have laid in a large supply of Teddy Bears. Maybe one of the Teddy Bears will agree to lay with you, and snuggle your wuggle for a while! There, there!

                In a mere few more years, as you are still jonesing for Great White Father, I bet you could persuade Alex Jones to be your Next Savior! Slogan: Jonesing for Jones!

              2. McCain was a grown-up. Trump is not!

                https://www.cnn.com/2016/10/20/politics/john-mccain-donald-trump-concession/index.html

                McCain to Trump: ‘A concession isn’t just an exercise in graciousness – it is an act of respect’

                “I didn’t like the outcome of the 2008 election. But I had a duty to concede, and I did so without reluctance,” McCain said in a lengthy statement Thursday. “A concession isn’t just an exercise in graciousness. It is an act of respect for the will of the American people, a respect that is every American leader’s first responsibility.”

                1. McCain was a war mongering piece of shit.

                  The fact that you’re holding up him and Hillary as any kind Of example says a lot about you.

              3. Hillary was a grown-up. Trump is not!

                https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/07/opinions/trump-concession-norms-zelizer/index.html

                Trump will be a former president, whether he concedes or not

                Out-take from there is below…

                And, yes, in 2016 Hillary Clinton told the divided nation, “We must accept this result and then look forward to the future. Donald Trump is going to be our president. We owe him an open mind and the chance to lead.”

                1. Blah blah blah

              4. “Al Gore didn’t concede after losing 2 recounts.”

                THAT is inaccurate to the point of lying! Gore conceded, graciously, then TOOK IT BACK when the vote-counts started looking more dicey! And Trump (if he was a fair-playing, gracious grown-up) could do the same thing! THAT is the more-honest, FULL truth, you partisan spinner you! WHY is SORE-LOSER TRUMP not making a “provisional concession speech”, as Al Gore did “de facto”, for the interim? To move the USA closer to what is going to happen at the 99.9999999999% probability level?

                https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/07/opinions/trump-concession-norms-zelizer/index.html

                Out-take from there, imported below…

                One of the most famous moments in many of our lifetimes took place in 2000. Al Gore called George W. Bush to concede, only to take it back when the election was too close to call. After a bitter post-election battle, which ended when the Supreme Court ruled that a Florida Supreme Court’s ruling requiring a statewide recount was unconstitutional, Gore took to the cameras to accept the loss.
                Though many of his supporters were livid, Gore decided that his speech would be important to the nation’s healing. “I say to President-elect Bush that what remains of partisan rancor must now be put aside, and may God bless his stewardship of this country. Neither he nor I anticipated this long and difficult road. Certainly, neither of us wanted it to happen. Yet it came, and now it has ended, resolved, as it must be resolved, through the honored institutions of our democracy….I accept the finality of this outcome…”

                1. Hey Squirrel, can you stop speaking pseudo German like an illiterate, edgy proto-teen? You are not culturally sophisticated. It just makes you look extra retarded.

                  (kind of a better place for context)

                  1. Wow, what clever wit! Did your mommy help you write that?

                    1. You certainly don’t use me to write your retarded gibbering.

                2. Blah blah blah

                  1. “I say to President-elect Bush that what remains of partisan rancor must now be put aside, and may God bless his stewardship of this country. Neither he nor I anticipated this long and difficult road. Certainly, neither of us wanted it to happen. Yet it came, and now it has ended, resolved, as it must be resolved….

                    But it hasn’t ended nor has it been resolved. There are still open court cases and the EC has yet to certify.

                    I personally think Trump has lost, I just think your argument went too far.

        2. Apparently Hunter Biden and his Evil-Space-Alien-Allies mind-controlled tens of millions of voters to vote for Biden!

          Apparently $150,000 worth of Facebook ads by Russian mind-controlled tens of millions of voters to vote or Trump!

          Seriously, you need to shift gears on this. We have so much material to shove up your ass that even you are going to get full up in short order.

        3. Hey Squirrel, can you stop speaking pseudo German like an illiterate, edgy proto-teen? You are not culturally sophisticated. It just makes you look extra retarded.

        4. Blah blah blah

        5. She was so grown up she wrote a book about all the reasons she was robbed of her rightful place on the iron throne.

        6. Love that you brought up Alex Jones.

          You dumb asses made him way more popular because you don’t understand the Streisand Effect. And by censoring Trump and conservative wrongthing in general, you are only going to drive the popularity of more conspiracy theories. I can’t wait to see how entertaining QAnon gets next year.

      2. Lefties are upset like commies get upset when the dissenting politician wont give in to tyrannical election fraud. Its a story as old as commies and the democrat party.

  6. The president still insists the election was stolen by a vast criminal conspiracy.

    Trump claims that the election was “rigged” and that there was enough fraud in a few cities to give Biden the presidency. Nowhere does Trump claim that there was a “conspiracy”, let alone a “vast criminal conspiracy”.

    It is clear that the election was rigged: courts have already determined that various governors exceeded their authority and violated the law. And we know that there is fraud in every election. The only question is whether instead of the usual 5000-20000 fraudulent votes per state, this time its 2-3x that.

    So, stop lying, Sullum, and start dealing with voting and elections in a rational way.

    “He knows it’s over,”

    Of course he does, he’s no idiot.

    Mr. Trump is simply trying to survive from one news cycle to the next, seeing how far he can push his case against his defeat and ensure the continued support of his Republican base

    That makes no sense. Trump is in office until Jan 20, 2021, regardless of what he does or doesn’t do. What he does until then primarily serves to determine how he will be remembered. And his two objectives are: (1) to get the vaccine out, and (2) uncover the substantial voting fraud that he (and many others) believe is there, knowing full well that it is unlikely to result in handing him the reelection.

    Voting fraud is common, and it’s likely growing: the US election system is a hodgepodge of insecure software, hardware, and processes. This needs to be fixed. No other “advance democracy” has such a ridiculous and fraud prone system.

    Why is it that journalists like you (Sullum) and Haberman are so eager to just sweep any voting fraud under the rug and pretend nothing other than the outcome of the current election matters?

    1. “Voting fraud is common, and it’s likely growing”

      Yes, that is a *belief* you hold. It must be proven.

      1. Will never be proven by conceding.

        1. There is so little election fraud that it wouldn’t be worth looking for it, so just shut up and concede

        2. And it’s not like he has to prove his dignity.

      2. Yes, that is a *belief* you hold. It must be proven.

        There have been numerous, proven instances of election fraud throughout US history, so it simply is a fact that it happens.

        Furthermore, you have the burden of proof reversed. Government has to convince the people that the election was carried out properly; this involves at a minimum chain of custody for ballots, accessibility to observers, and auditability, all of which were substantially violated during this election.

        1. Fraud happens sometimes means I win!

          Almost all documented cases of fraud from this election have been Republicans committing it. I agree, prosecute to the highest extent of the law. Fucking with elections is a serious thing. Send Trump and his sycophants to The Hague while we’re at it.

          You’re alleging a crime, you prove it. Losing the election doesn’t mean we change the way we do elections after the fact.

          But you know that. You just have no moral compass so it doesn’t matter.

          1. Poor tony. His citations always fall off. Especially now how scared he is.

            Lefty narrative chatter is nervousness toward Trump not giving in. Lefties dont have a good track record against Trump fighting back.

            1. Nobody has a good track record against Trump and his president-sized baby tantrums. We’re all in the shit.

              1. Poor lefties are so stupid. They never learned to play chess. All the democrat schemes fail and blowup in their faces.

              2. lol @ president-sized baby tantrums

                Not sure that’s possible. At a bare minimum, it’s an oxymoron 🙂

          2. “You’re alleging a crime, you prove it.”

            It has already been proven to a plurality of the population. That’s all you need to destabilize things. 😉

          3. Fuck off, idiot slaver.

        2. +100000000000 NOYB2

      3. Right, so let’s investigate properly and find out. If it is happening, we want to know, no?

    2. If no actions are taken against the well documented fraud, even if it doesn’t change the outcome The fraud will only get worse since the fraudsters will know there Are no consequences

      1. If the republican state legislatures dont pick Trump electors or the SCoTUS dont rules against massive national election fraud, America will never have a free and fair election again.

        There will always be some made up national emergency to allow democrats to steal elections.

        Democrats started the American civil war and they started civil war 2.0

    3. Sullum is one of the propagandists that propagate the massive election fraud. Without election fraud, democrats could not win.

      Furthermore, its not JUST election fraud. The election fraud is tied to the kungflu hysteria fraud. In person voting always is a balance to voter fraud attempts. Its just harder to get multiple IDs and hit multiple election locations on a single voting day with one person.

      Mailin ballots allowed people to send mailon ballots AND vote in person.

      Honestly, democrats and unreason carry on like kungflu is some national emergency and requires government to do something. Trump should have instituted emergency powers that they now want biden to have and deport every last commie in the USA to communist china. Some Americans thinking they can play nice with democrats who run a criminal syndicate, just got us one step closer to civil war 2.0 that democrats started years ago.

      1. I think we should do bets on which unreason staffers will wrote what nonsense after Trump vs biden comes back like Bush vs gore did. Deciding against election fraud attempts.

  7. So, he is doing what the supporters of the conspiracy theory of russiangate did? I mean, it worked for the russiagate nuts.

  8. This story is so lame. Who cares what Trump says. Unless it’s january 20th and he’s in the Oval Office with a machine gun and a mountain of coke I don’t care.

    1. So, it’s no big deal that he’s on Twitter every day riling up his supporters and pushing growing partisan division and hatred within our country.

      1. Nothing says healing partisan division like illegally spying on the incoming administration based on a fraudulent FISA application then spending 4 years claiming falsely that the election was stolen by Russia, that the president is a Russian agent, and that the election was illegitimate. Oh and murdering black cops, burning down 2 billion dollars worth of property, raping women, beating the shit out of white people, looting swanky shops. If only that Trumpy poo hadn’t spoiled the comity and bipartisan unity in our country! I sure hope his supporters stop smashing windows and burning limousines in downtown Washington D.C. soon!

        1. Yes I lost the election but Democrats were mean!

          Maybe he can try that one in court if he has any lawyers left.

          1. Tony do you even know what posts you are responding to at any given moment?

            1. I know that gaslighting is a tool of spousal abuse, same as nonconsensual pussy grabbing.

              1. Tara Reade?

                1. I try to keep up with rightwing lying trash, but I can’t keep up with everything.

                  1. Oh ok. I’ll try and not interrupt your medication time.

                    1. You overestimate my ability to drag myself to a psychiatrist.

                    2. Oh I don’t don’t think you have any say on our day to day activities

                      People probably let you walk yes. But with a toddlers leash.

                    3. I may or may not be involuntarily confined, but it is a fact that you are on a libertarian website sucking cop dick, so I’m not the only one for whom the world is a little topsy-turvy.

            2. No, because he’s a fucking clown.

        2. Spreading hate and division made folk burn down their own Democrat controlled cities you see.

          White Knight and her ilk have no self control of basic human brain functions. Thus the need for democrat government intervention at all levels

          1. No cities were burned down. Rightwing media is lying to you. They lie.

            1. Need me to post destroyed property claims for any cities?

              Words fall from your mouth as shit from ass.

              1. You said cities were burned down.

                1. What is it like to be autistic and misdiagnosed for so long?

                  Must be a strain on whatever family you have that will converse with you still.

                  1. It’s not like it doesn’t matter. If you actually think leftists are burning whole American cities to the ground, you have every right to be concerned.

                    Perhaps your concern is a tad misplaced. Perhaps you are the jerk-off sock for Republican interests who wouldn’t give a shit if you died drowning.

                    Who can say?

                    1. Class this is why you don’t converse to people on the spectrum.

                      Autists like our friend here has a very very limited scope of the usage of language.

                      During the civil war when Sherman burned down Atlanta; Tony would have been the strange guy reporting back to higher command that contrary to previous reports Atlanta had not burned.

                    2. Dude Portland is still there.

                    3. Here’s an article from July showing a map of the destruction, at least 700 buildings damaged in Minneapolis, many with major or total damage.

                      https://minnesota.cbslocal.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/15909630/2020/06/Minneapolis-Unrest-Damage-Map.jpg

                      And there’s been a ton more since then, plus skyrocketing murder rate, because the (DEMOCRAT) leaders have utterly failed at preserving law and order and the police are leaving in droves

                      The point remains that the Democrats have a near monopoly on political violence. Also, that you’re an ass who is probably autistic.

                    4. I’m not telling you what you should care about, I’m telling you to assess the world accurately.

                      Vandalism is bad, and no politician has condoned it that I’m aware of.

                      Letting a quarter million Americans die because your lazy fat ass can’t get off Twitter, also bad.

                    5. Why would I or anyone else listen to you and your autistic rants?

                      You depend on the government to keep yourself alive and feel others have the same needs.

                      Being that this is a “libertarian” site. (Minus 70% of the journalists here). One would assume posters would be on the side of property rights and the toll your friends have destroyed.

                    6. Did you change the subject because I called you on a lie?

                  2. Is your point that there is still some buildings left untouched therefore no cities are burnt to the ground?

                    I don’t usually exchange dialogue with people that are wards of the state.

                    1. What’s important is that you have a relatively accurate picture in your mind of what’s going on in the world.

                      You have two ruling regimes to choose from, so you better get it right, or you might, I dunno, contract a debilitating virus because you’ve been conned into ignoring it in order to participate in yet another in a never-ending line of racist panics conjured by Republican political hacks.

                      There was violence at the recent Trump coping rally. But you’re going to blame that on either bad apples or leftists, aren’t you? Of course, that’s not counting the violence being done to the American system of government.

                      Your political worldview tells you that you are always right about everything, damn the facts. That’s why you’re a mark.

                    2. So was that a yes?

                    3. It is what it is. Turns out if the system treats you like dogshit rather than pampering your every emotional need like it does Trumpers, you may not give as much of a shit what happens to Bed, Bath & Beyond.

                    4. Why are you on a libertarian site?
                      You are neither witty nor insightful.

                      “you may not give as much of a shit what happens to Bed, Bath & Beyond.”

                      This non coherent except goes against the most rudimentary tenants of libertarian ideals.

                    5. The rudiments of libertarianism being that the state must enforce rules extra hard, yes?

    2. Was it no big deal when the Russians gave him the election instead of Hillary?!

    3. “Mountain of coke? Where?” – Hunter B.

    4. Reason needs a laugh emoji thats brilliant

    5. If only the propagandists didnt care what Trump said. He is a danger to the Lefties taking over.

      Its funny that Arizona and all the the states are still counting but democrats now ignore that they demanded “every vote must be counted”.

    6. +1 Scarface

  9. Delegitimizing the incoming administration is probably the most important thing he can do right now, especially considering what the incoming Biden administration is promising to do via the Green New Deal, Medicare for All, and the War on Guns. Still, it’d be better if he did it with the truth on those issues.

    . . . but then it would have been better if Reason had dealt honestly with these and other issues (like Afghanistan) before the election.

    1. Meet the New MAGA, same as the Old MAGA! (Slightly different flavor, is all).

      NEW MAGA = Make America GREEN Again! New flag? Red, white, and GREEN!

      1. Psycho Hose Beast.

      2. What really scares the shit out of me, is how the Democrats are acting like they had a massive landslide and major mandate. They did not. The squeaked by with one of the closest elections (both popular and electoral) in history.

        1. Agreed! “Over-interpreting your mandate” is a perpetual temptation of ALL the politicians! I saw a good editorial warning Biden about that… Can’t find it right now. Will have to settle for the below, which looks good:

          https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/11/07/opinion/ignore-hotheads-america-just-voted-less-drama-strife/
          OPINION
          Ignore the hotheads: America just voted for less drama and strife
          Biden says it is time to “lower the temperature.” That’s his mandate (and McConnell’s, too).
          By Jeff Jacoby Globe Columnist,

          1. Blah blah blah

          2. Do you honestly believe America isn’t divided after an essentially 50/50 vote?

        2. Well you’re here carrying water for their very blatant (at best) appearance of massive vote fraud and using the virus, and destroy tens of millions of people’s lives, as an excuse to change the electoral process at the last second.
          YOU are actively giving them a mandate to rule absolutely.

          1. The SCOTUS has an easy choice with Trump vs biden.

            Disenfranchise tens of millions of republican voters by allowing democrat election fraud…or…

            Attempt to appease Communists who hate the constitution and vote democrat.

      3. There isn’t anything slightly different about Biden’s Green New Deal, Medicare for All, and his War on Guns.

        1. Maybe Trump should have run on his extensive policy ideas instead of screeching about internet conspiracy trash.

    2. So we should destabilize the American system of government because you don’t like the policies of the winner of the election, which he doesn’t even support.

      “Why won’t liberals be more polite to us!!!”

      1. lol… “American system of government” was “destabilized” years ago by the Jack*ss party – civil war, constitutional ignorance and violations…. The Jack*ss party actually pretends compulsively that the USA is governed like the Soviet Union. They have a National Socialist (Nazi) in congress right now…

        It’s not even about, “don’t like the policies of the winner” when the party affiliated with that “winner” is downright treasonous to the U.S. Constitution. It’s not about “destabilizing” America it’s about “destabilizing” the take-over of America.

      2. Tony doesn’t know the difference between legitimacy and destabilizing the government.

        “Political legitimacy is considered a basic condition for governing, without which a government will suffer legislative deadlock(s) and collapse. In political systems where this is not the case, unpopular regimes survive because they are considered legitimate by a small, influential élite.[1]”

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legitimacy_(political)

        No, we don’t want a legitimate authoritarian government, and the less legitimacy the government has, the less they can accomplish. The reason the Drug War is falling apart is because it’s too illegitimate–people kept buying and selling cannabis no matter what the government said.

        You know where legitimacy ultimately comes from, Tony? Ultimately, it comes from protecting people’s rights. Failing to protect people’s rights decreases the government’s legitimacy. Violating their rights is oppression, and that breeds revolt.

        Weren’t you halfway claiming to be a libertarian earlier today?

        You know, the kind of libertarian who doesn’t believe people’s rights exist unless the government says so. The kind of libertarian who thinks that understanding the invisible hand and markets is like believing in magic. And, apparently, the kind of libertarian who doesn’t wants a legitimate authoritarian government?! That last part doesn’t even make sense.

        Yes, Tony, you’ve finally figured it out. Libertarians want very little government and for the government to do very little.

        You’re not really pretending to be a libertarian are you, Tony?

        1. If we’re switching from shameless, sad, awful Trump leg-humping back to libertarianism, you should have said so.

          1. Is that another example of one of your rational arguments?

            1. Apparently drinking my enemies’ tears and being rational are incompatible. I learned it by watching you.

              1. Shucks. We were all looking forward to your uninformed, stupid ass telling us what libertarianism is really about!

                1. Doesn’t take a rocket scientist to know it’s not about unquestioned loyalty to a politician, however orange he may be.

                  1. Don’t worry, Tony. We won’t confuse you with a rocket scientist.

                    And by the way, I didn’t say anything about loyalty. The only reason you brought that up is because an uneducated asshole who wouldn’t a rational argument if it bit you.

                    Opposition to the Green New Deal, opposition to Medicare for All, and opposition to Biden’s War on Guns doesn’t have anything to do with personal loyalty to President Trump–you dumb motherfucker.

                    1. Well, it could be Reagan, or Bush or the other Bush, or maybe Tucker Carlson next time and then, naturally, Satan. It’s loyalty to reactionary horseshit that has entered a death spiral of insanity.

                      I wonder if any human civilization or tribe has ever ignored a disease that was happening to them because someone convinced them the bigger threat was too much innovation in the energy sector.

                      I saw what you supported here. If you’re wondering what I’m talking about, you can just say it was the Nazis. Those people who were at your rally with you. You remember, the Nazis?

                    2. Hey ken, Im using an ipad so citation links are nearly impossible. A story about a federal judge in PA throwing out the entire state senator election because of democrat election fraud is out there.

                      If that is true, the SCoTUS has quite a few remedies available and none the democrats will like. I personally think all democrat contingency plans counted on trump conceding to #memoryhole any election fraud. How they have not figured out Trump’s basic reactions yet is beyond me.

                    3. You could just ask.

                      We don’t know what Trump is going to do because Trump is a goddamn crazy person. “Expect the unexpected, and it’s probably going to be worse than you think.” That’s how we’ve approached the last four years.

                      Oh wait you’re a K-pop girl aren’t you.

                    4. Jesus Christ, Tony, almost no one is ignoring the disease or saying it doesn’t exist. The people opposing the radical policies like lockdown want to do what people always have done which is get on with life with whatever modifications of behavior seem appropriate for their individual situations.
                      You act like all this shit is just what you do when there is a new disease when it is all a huge experiment of a completely untested approach forced on people without their consent. We are being made involuntary test subjects. But if it were an ethically run trial, it would have been stopped long ago because the side effects are disastrous and totally unacceptable.

                    5. But we’re all in the same boat. If you present some medical expertise on the matter, I will listen to their opinions. If all you have is rightwing TV personalities and their usual hysteria, I’m going to remain supporting what smart people say will save lives. Because at the end of the day, the economy doesn’t recover until the virus is handled.

          2. If you read Reason Magazine, you’d know libertarians are actually democrats. So I don’t know where you’re getting THAT from. Maybe don’t spend so much time eating Biden’s ass?

      3. If half the country thinks voter fraud occurred, THAT is destabilizing, dumb ass.

    3. You’re a liar, Ken. Biden said he was opposed to the GND and Medicare for All.

      1. You’re an ignorant shithead, Shrike.

        “Biden believes the Green New Deal is a crucial framework for meeting the climate challenges we face. It powerfully captures two basic truths, which are at the core of his plan: (1) the United States urgently needs to embrace greater ambition on an epic scale to meet the scope of this challenge, and (2) our environment and our economy are completely and totally connected.”

        —-Joe Biden

        https://joebiden.com/climate-plan/#

        1. He forgot Biden is a crook and will lie.

          1. I don’t think Shrike really cares whether Biden is a crook.

            I don’t think he really cares whether he’s right or wrong either. If he cared, you would see some kind of effort at persuasion. Instead, we just get the easily disprovable denialism we see above.

            You’re lying!

            He isn’t any of those things!

            1. P.S. Easily disprovable!

      2. “The Biden-Harris Administration will work to ensure that the protections for those with pre-existing conditions that were won with Obamacare are protected. And, they will work to lower health care costs and expand access to quality, affordable health care through a Medicare-like public option.”

        —-Joe Biden

        https://buildbackbetter.com/priorities/covid-19/

        It’s not Medicare for All.

        It’s a Medicare like program that every American can join!

        You’re an ignorant ass, Shrike.

        Have you ever been right about anything?

        1. “And he is working to ensure that every American has access to quality, affordable health care, by providing a public option and lowering costs for care and for prescription drugs.

          —-Joe Biden

          https://buildbackbetter.com/priorities/economic-recovery/

          You’re an ignorant ass twice over, Shrike.

          It’s not Medicare for All. It’s a Medicare like public option for every American!

        2. He has not. And he will completely ignore you owning his ass in this thread.

      3. Wow, you’re completely wrong in every possible way. Again. Let me look for my shocked face.

    4. Remember when the left spent four years deligitimizing the Trump administration. Its okay when they do it dont ya know

    5. Even if biden pulls off the election fraud win on American history, states rights.

      Georgia ignores all federal EOs about green lunacy, gun grabbing…RESIST!

      The American civil war didn’t start overnight and civil war 2.0 has ben raging for a while.

  10. Recently there were several videos highlighting “anomalies” in the statistical analysis of voting patterns in a few places. Anomaly hunting is fodder for conspiracy theories. Anomalies should be looked at, but anomalies are NOT evidence of a Vast Left Wing Conspiracy.

    First was the observation that Chicago (a far left city which went for Biden) precincts did not follow Benford’s Law on statistical distribution. (One can look it up). But Benford’s Law explicitly does not apply to elections. And doubly so because as a far left city, many precinct totals for Trump were in the single digits, and thus Benford’s Law cannot apply.

    For details: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etx0k1nLn78

    Another “anomaly” was that Michigan slate voting to individual voting had an anomalous correlation. But the analysis screwed up on the axis. Instead of plotting X against Y, it plotted X against X-Y, essentially flipping the slope.

    In short, check your maths before claiming anomalies. It’s easy to lie with statistics because most people don’t understand them. But no excuse not to check the maths.

    1. Anomaly hunting is fodder for conspiracy theories.

      This is really the hill you want to die on? That we shouldn’t analyze elections for anomalous patterns because looking for statistical anomalies is a conspiracy theory?

      Thanks for regurgitating the same 2 week old Benford’s Law talking point again btw. Only problem there is that Benford’s Law actually IS used routinely to spot possible anomalies in elections, and this wasn’t contained, contra your assertion, to one single precinct in a single-party city.

      Literally not one single person has argued that statistical anomalies are proof of a Vast Left Wing Conspiracy or dispositive of vote fraud. They ARE indications that something strange may have happened, and a good basis for where to BEGIN an investigation. Since it just so happens that these anomalies – and not just Benford’s Law anomalies by any stretch of the imagination – all keep piling up in a handful of districts in swing states that will determine the election outcome, but hardly at all in any other parts of the country, it’s a good indicator of where to start looking for trouble.

      Dismissing anomalous results on the basis that looking for anomalies is a conspiracy theory and using it as a pretext to not investigate anything is what you do when you’re fearful of the consequences to your preferred outcome and would rather remain ignorant.

    2. Both the application of Benford’s law and Dr. Shiva-Whatshisname’s analyses are mathematically wrong, but so what? That neither decreases nor increases the probability that election irregularities or fraud occurred and should be looked into.

      The election results are on the face of it statistically unusual, to say the least, with a few crucial Democrat-controlled cities deviating substantially from the behavior of other cities around the country. And the burden of proof is not on people who challenge those results, the burden of proof is on the people running those elections showing that they did so properly; if they can’t do that, all their votes should be thrown out.

      1. The results from places like Detroit are exactly what you would expect to see if someone committed fraud by stuffing the vote with “unused” mail-in ballots. It’s also exactly what you would expect to see if the Dem machine in those cities managed to turn hatred of Trump into an historic last minute voter turn out. The only way to tell the difference is to investigate. Hopefully there is enough of a paper trail on those last minute ballot dumps to verify that they are legit.

      2. The burden of proof is always on those making the extraordinary claim.

        Not all anomalies are evidence of malfeasance, but to the conspiracy theorist they are. Every single one. They’re fixated on them. And they insist that the anomalies always prove their predetermined conclusions.

        The conspiratard process is easy to follow: Find anomaly (in a chaotic world anomalies are a dime a dozen), fit the anomaly into the elaborate conspiracy theory, if it won’t fit make the theory even more elaborate, if it still won’t fit proclaim the depths of the conspiracy is wider than you even suspected, then move on to the next anomaly.

    3. The lawyers get paid either way. Well, as long as the internet donations keep coming.

    4. This massive election fraud does not need to be a vast conspiracy. Like all democrat election fraud, its targeted election fraud where certain states can swing national elections.

      Kungflu hysteria was the other part of this conspiracy. The Lefties had to scare and fool Americans into avoiding in-person voting checks on voter fraud. Mailin voters could then vote in person AND send in mailin ballots, overwhelming the system.

      1. But it is a vast conspiracy. We are being gaslighted into thinking anomalies are nothing, glitches are normal, and fraud is only isolated. There is no way in ever loving hell did biden pull in the numbers in swing states that are claimed. It is a conspiracy, and most in those states damn well know it. Recent polls have 86% of republicans believed there is massive fraud. Here in PA, i am guessing its close to 99%.
        When anyone has been through a number of elections, its easy to get a feel how its going to go. The people we know, the conversations we have, and the general renor of the region. Local information is >> greater then any poll. No one in se pa believes the numbers that biden pulled in. No one. Its a joke, a massive, offense, enraging joke. Trump is the only candidate that had party enthusiasm. The idenpendents here were swinging trump. But yet somehow biden pulls in a 30% voter turnout over Clinton? Utter fantasy….utter bullshit.

    5. Anyone who uses chicago as their control for election fraud is a complete and total fucking moron. Their elections have been rigged down to the individual ward level since Daley Sr.

  11. Trump shouldn’t concede until Stacey Abrams does.

    1. Trump conceding would be like the Sex Pistols accepting induction into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame.

      We hated the rock establishment then. We hate you now. How dare you offer us the opportunity to sell our legacy short. But thanks for the opportunity to give you the finger one last time.

      P.S. Fuck you, Rock & Roll Hall of Fame.

      Trump should demolish Biden’s birthplace and build his presidential library on top of it.

      1. I am loving rage Ken.

        Every day it was “Look at how calm and reasonable I am defending Roger Stone ratfucking and quasi-fascism.”

        Now that it didn’t work it’s Ken smash! Smash sour grapes! Make whine!

        1. You of all people shouldn’t be trying to criticize Ken.
          Oh, and speaking of ratfuckers, how is your boyfriend doing?

        2. I’ve never seen Shrike be right about anything, and I’ve never seen Tony make a rational argument.

      2. “Trump should demolish Biden’s birthplace and build his presidential library on top of it.”

        It would be as bad as placing Arlington cemetery on Lee’s plantation, but it would be something!

    2. Yeah, election corruption stole it from Abrams, but when it comes to Trump, there’s nothing to see here.

  12. A quick scan of the legacy media websites as of Sunday night still yield some version of “Trump Admits He Lost, but…” in their headlines. Including Fox.

    ”A half-truth is the most cowardly of lies.”
    – Mark Twain

    1. Well we wouldn’t want any misinformation out there.

      1. Sure Tony. You’re one of the most pathologically dishonest fuckheads on the planet. Anytime you mention the word ‘misinformation’, you’re automatically concern trolling.

        1. Were you one of the drooling morons who assured me that the Pennsylvania poll watcher case was the smoking gun that would make Trump president?

          1. No, you wretched piece of shit. But I will assure you that that’s just a small portion of the fraud currently being perpetrated by your ilk.

            1. Then why did Trump’s lawyers drop it?

              Was it because they don’t want to get disbarred?

              1. Your citations keep falling off.

                Funny how the MSM started a week ago that Trump claims had no merit until he won in court and had other claims tossed super fast so he can get to the SCOTUS quickly.

                Now its attacks on appellate law firms and more media lies.

                Trump vs biden is gonna be glorious. Remember thomas sided with Bush. Barrett, kavanaugh, and gorsuch know exactly how democrats will treat them violently.

                1. I could cite a major newspaper talking about how Trump all but dropped his Pennsylvania case, but I would rather you find out about it on your own on the day he soils the White House grounds with his revolting family and disease-ridden sycophants for the last time.

                  1. Poor tony cant even cite a source that doesnt lie on a daily basis.

                    Trump vs biden is gonna be glorious for collecting lefty tears.

                    You see the lefty articles trying to dissuade republican state legislatures in WI, MI, PA, GA, and AZ from ignoring fraudulent election tallies and sending Trump electors instead? Even they admit its 100% constitutional.

                    Constitution strikes again.

                    1. Oh those Republicans, with their chainsaw-fucking the constitution and telling us it’s good for us.

                      The judicial branch choosing who makes up the executive branch along partisan and anti-democratic lines. Just what Madison intended.

                    2. Constitution strikes again!

                      God I love having Constitutional law on my side as a libertarian.

                      Look at tony try to say following the constitution is some criminal act but massive election fraud is totes cool with Democrats.

                    3. Democrats wanted the SCoTUS political and it sure is now.

                      Trump vs biden is gonna be so awesome for Slapping down Democrat election fraud…again like in bush vs gore.

                    4. Zarek: Laura…That election last year. You tried to steal it, didn’t you?
                      Roslin: Yes, Tom. I did.
                      Zarek: (laughs) Ah…I wish you’d gone through with it.
                      Roslin: Me too.

                    5. Citations, Tony, because Nobody has any idea what conversations you have rolling around in that HIV addled skull of yours.

                    6. Remember when you horrible assholes made sick gay people the object of your revolting bloodlust in an earlier culture war?

                      Cough some more covid on your grandma. Who’s the faggot now?

    2. The MSM being upset with Trump not conceding is the greatest evidence of election fraud coverup, of you ask me.

      They did the same thing when Trump wouldnt cave to the Lefty coup attempt to remove him.

      Any SCOTUS justice who doesn’t use the constitution against the democrat election fraud scheme deserves everything democrats do to them.

      America only has a few checks to tyranny built into the system. Once a tyrannical majority makes their move, you either fight as a team or die as a lone dissenter.

  13. I hope the Con Man never concedes. And when Biden is sworn in by John Roberts the secret service has to drag his sorry ass out of the White House by his ridiculous comb-over kicking and screaming.

    1. It’s all I want for Christmas.

      But he’s too much of a coward to stick it out until the men with guns come. He’s just trying to grift as much as he can before he slinks off and becomes the worst pundit on the internet.

      1. All the times you said you hated Christmas and bitched about the Rockefeller tree, and now all of a sudden you want electoral fraud as a present for it?
        Shit son…

        1. No, I want to see Trump cry in handcuffs. It was that or a Playstation 5.

          1. Why would trump be in handcuffs?

            Boy lefties sure have some crazy fantasies.

            1. I can’t say. There are so many crimes. His sham legal defenses are there to keep his sheeplike followers donating dollars until he makes off with the loot. It won’t be enough to save him. Bilking the US government for your own hotel rooms isn’t enough to pay those kind of debts.

              1. Lefties are funny. They really upped the bot game once Trump refused to concede.

                Lefties cannot stand the thought that Biden will be denied his crown because of the US constitution. So many lefty tears when Hillary was denied her crown.

                1. Look how you talk about the US constitution like it’s a scrap of toilet paper you are currently using as we speak.

                  1. Poor tony. He hates that Republicans kicked so many RINOs to the curb and are fighting the democrats and have the constitution on the GOPs side.

                1. Dude. His only relevant qualification is that he is not Donald Trump. Maybe he’s corrupt. We don’t fucking know.

                  1. The SCOTUS justices that count know.

                    Trump vs biden is gonna be hilarious.

                    On the bright side, “president-elect biden” can finally find out what the final tally is when EVERY VOTE IS COUNTED. I havent seen that democrat message in over a week even though states are still counting votes.

                  2. I think that article proves his corruption. The guy has been in DC 47 years!

                    1. What a nice contrast to the guy who doesn’t know jack shit about governing.

                      —The American people

    2. Poor lefties. They really think thomas, barrett, kavanaugh, and gorsuch will just sit idly by as a tyrannical democrat party tries to use election fraud to steal an election.

      Hint: even Stalin didnt tip his hand as to his evil plans to destroy his enemies early on with his takeover. They might have fought back.

  14. STOP THE PRESSES!!! INSERT HOTTEST NEWS FLASH!!!

    My most-senior inside contact at the White House has surreptitiously slipped me an advance copy of the lame-duck POTUS’s concession speech. Without further ado, here it is:

    Friends, non-foreigner-type True Americans, and all who Make America Great Again, lend me your ears! I come to bury Biden, not to praise him. Biden and his minions stole the elections, and we must dishonor that! To Make America Great Again, we must invent the most fantastic, fabulous, YUUUGEST BIGNESS EVAH SEEN, in the ways of truly factually fictitious, but Spiritually and Metaphorically True, NEW Republican ballots! Because I have directed My Generals and My Scientists to research the current and past performance, efficacy, and patriotism of one-party states, versus multi-party states. As I have directed them to, My impartial, unbiased, data-driven council of My Generals and My Scientists have determined that yea verily, one-party states work better! Therefore, we must all strive for the Glorious Day, when America becomes a one-party state, under the One True Party, the Republican Party! (Pause for applause, to be continued).

    But for now, the courts have sided with Biden and his camel-toe, and Antifa, BLM, and all the Marxist terrorists. We must let the courts have it their way, with mayo on the side. I mean, with Mao Tse Tung on the side, but without the Proud Boys standing back and standing by. Thank you, Proud Boys, for having stood by me. Also, thank you, Steve Bannon, Vladimir Putin, Kim Ill Dung, and Pepe the Stolen-Intellectual-Property Frog. Pepe, watch out for Miss Piggy, she and her “pre-nuptial contracts” will clean your clock, just like Melania is set to clean mine soon! But I digest.

    So we can’t disrepute what the nasty courts have said, or there might be civil war. Sad! The courts aren’t very American these days! And if you don’t like what I just said? Well, I’m sorry that you feel that way!

    So congratulations to Biden for having stolen the elections! This is America, so we must properly honor the decisions of the courts, in a dishonorable way! Biden can come and live with us in the White House, per the wishes of the courts. He can pour our covfefe for us, for Steve Bannon, Pepe the Frog, and I, and Jill can make sandwiches for us. We promise to call him POTUS, and her, First Lady! POTUS of covfefe, and First Lady of sandwiches, that is! Hey Biden! Get yer butt over here! Pepe needs some covfefe!

    That setup will get us by for a little while! Meanwhile, we can schedule the NEW run-off elections, this time without any fraudulent so-called “Democratic” votes being allowed, and we can do this RIGHT the next time!

    Meanwhile, congratulations to Joe Stalin-Biden, on being elected POTUS of pouring covfefe for Pepe!

    1. I know I shouldn’t laugh at retarded kids, but ‘Short-bus’ Sqrlsy is just eminently mockable… even when he’s loving Hitler.

      Just look at this:

      “SQRLSY One
      September.30.2020 at 12:53 pm

      Yes! This FURTHER proves that Hitler was NOT a racist!
      Since even Hitler wasn’t a racist, we can pretty firmly conclude that racism isn’t a “thing” at all!

      “SQRLSY One
      November.1.2020 at 8:51 am

      Here, this is a pretty good match! Every asshole is a good, right, and TRUE, benevolent asshole!
      https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/tag/hitler
      “My spirit will rise from the grave and the world will see I was right.”
      ― Adolf Hitler

      SQRLSY One
      November.9.2020 at 4:26 pm

      Bimsday, 39 Bemberbember 2020 at 6:66 PM
      I love to LIE my ass off, and suck Satan’s dick! Because I hate humanity! The Evil One is the Father of Lies, just as Der TrumpfenFuhrer is the Stable Genius! So, as the apple falls not far from the tree, I INSIST on telling obvious lies, all day, every day! Butt… Surprise, surprise! Other Evil Ones Junior will fall for my lies… Because they want to!

      1. Momma can’t be abidin’ with Biden, and settling for merely getting her hair smelled. Momma wants to get back to having her pussy grabbed good and hard, by Der TrumpfenFuhrer!

        1. Me getting it on with Trump is apparently SQRLSY’s fetish.
          My son is such a creepy poo-eating fuck.

          1. I suppose that’s why he says he always says “I love to LIE my ass off, and suck Satan’s dick! Because I hate humanity!”

            I swear I didn’t raise him to suck Satan’s dick.

            1. No, Tulpa-Golum reserves Satan’s dick all for herself!

              1. I’m not Tulpa, shithead. I already told you I’m ML.
                Tulpa isn’t the only one here who thinks that you’re a retarded piece of shit.

                1. Write like a Tulpa, get called Tulpa, you psychotic sufferer of multiple personality syndrome! Grow up! And don’t expect me to shed a river of tears for you, who brings needless suffering, not only to yourself, but to others as well!

    2. You shouldn’t spend so much time eating Biden’s ass, it’ll make you retarded.

  15. “President Trump’s campaign on Sunday scrapped a major part of its federal lawsuit challenging the election results in Pennsylvania.

    Trump’s attorneys filed a revised version of the lawsuit, removing allegations that election officials violated the Trump campaign’s constitutional rights by limiting the ability of their observers to watch votes being counted.

    Trump and Rudolph W. Giuliani, his personal attorney, have said repeatedly that more than 600,000 votes in Philadelphia and Pittsburgh should be invalidated because of this issue.

    Trump’s pared-down lawsuit now focuses on allegations that Republicans were illegally disadvantaged because some Democratic-leaning counties allowed voters to fix errors on their mail ballots. Counties have said this affected only a small number of votes.”

    You know how Republicans do absolutely nothing but whine, stomp their feet, demonize people, whine, try to steal elections, and whine about how educated elite liberals are so mean to them?

    The thing about being educated elite liberals is that they have access to really good lawyers. But I’m sure Rudy will do fine. Pin all your hopes on him, why don’t you.

    1. Good god you’re a faggot. Live it.

      1. Take me to dinner first.

    2. From the same lying media that brought you the attempted coup of president Trump.

    3. I think you’re misinterpreting that action. The reason you’d drop something like that is because there is just so many cases of fraud, you don’t have time to litigate all of them and have to pick & choose.

      When you lie, you need to lie big, that’s what democrats have taught the country.

  16. Crap; I was hoping Georgia’s recount would be transparent enough to signal any Dominion System fraud — so far; I see the largest county ‘Fulton County’ supposedly finished 8hrs ago (while that’s hard to buy) they won’t even give that 16hr recount numbers until all counties are complete in contradiction to what Georgia’s recount policy states. That once a county is done hand-counting they can release the numbers as one (the logically smallest) already did.

    Even the recount has the stench of deception in it. Why in the world would the largest county be complete so fast and what kind of pathetic excuse is there to be holding results??

    1. Trump supporters are overseeing all of this, same as Democrats.

      1. The fact that they won’t release any numbers until the whole state is complete JUST begs suspicion on the reported numbers. No matter which party affiliation is there. I don’t see a single reason why they’re withholding county counts that have completed short of having a single point in time to modify those final counts to match ____???

    2. Before I left GA, they used automated voting, without a paper trail, so a “recount” consisted of reprinting the “results”.

      1. Destroyed evidence is destroyed evidence.
        ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

        1. See that? Tony the liberal is PROUD of their fraud. How many times did YOU vote, Tony?

      2. Many Georgia counties upgraded to electronic voting machines with paper copies.

        When some counties had voting machines problems, paper ballots were used.

    3. Don’t worry. Georgia recounts dont work well for Democrats.

      Counting irregularities in certain Georgia counties is just a great reason to void those county vote tallies. It is physically impossible to recount and challenge hundreds of thousands of ballots in a few days when the original count took over a week.

      The MSM called Georgia and other close vote states because they know the final fote tallies wont be as generous as they have publicly claimed.

      1. What is the difference between you and a hypothetical computer program designed to keep the bucks flowing into Trump’s bank accounts until it all comes crashing down?

      2. Poor tony. His programmer is winging it this week. No updated definitive narrative to work from. Its all regurgitated 2016 material.

    4. Why would the recount be conducted by the same people who first administered the vote? If Fulton County committed fraud, why is Fulton County doing it’s own recount?

      1. ^Excellent Point!!!

  17. Man, the media is going to be making headline news out of Trump’s tweets 10 years after he’s dead, aren’t they? Much as they say they hate him, they can’t live without him. Whatever did we used to talk about before Trump came along?

    1. The same thing it was consumed with before Trump; That good old Climate Emergency predicted in 1970 to end the world by 1990 or 1991 or 92, 93, 94, 95 ……. 2020, 21, 22, 25, 30… It’s humorous that after a 1/2-Decade of 20-Year Emergencies it still seems to snow every year like it always did since 1970. Need I even remember laughing so hard when just last year we hit record lows of the 1970’s but again.

  18. Sidney Powell says she has enough proof to overturn the elections in several states. Neither will have 270 and it will go to the House were the Reps will win.

    1. Constitution strikes again!

    2. They’ll just claim willful ignorance and declare “Sidney Powell claims (without evidence)…” while ignoring obvious evidence.

  19. Interesting…

    https://twitter.com/CodeMonkeyZ/status/1328206966238298112?s=19

    Google search trends spiked for “change dominion vote” in early summer, 2020.

    1. Lol.

      “Okay, so we’re going to engage in a conspiracy so complicated it requires infiltrating about five state governments controlled by both parties. The first step of our master plan, obviously: Can someone Google how to cheat at an election? Let’s get the whole team on it.”

      1. No you just have to have five people who have access to the machines. Possibly just an internet connection to them. Maybe the owners of the voting company are corrupt. There are many possibilities.

      2. Here we have the luddite Democrat who still thinks “drag and drop” is hard to understand.

  20. Seriously Sullum you used a NYT article to debunk the fraud? Why don’t you get assurances from the CEO of Dominion while you’re at it? “Well he said he didn’t do it. Duhhhhhh.”

  21. Trump could not accept reality. That’ why this inconsistency in his messages.

  22. It’s not a vast criminal conspiracy. It’s a vast number of little criminal conspiracies by good little liberal fascists following the gleichschaltung of OrangeManBad.

  23. You just know all the Trump-cultists here on the comments would be singing a very different tune if Trump won.

    “Stop your whining libs!”
    “LOL u triggered?”
    “You should respect the will of the people! What, you hate democracy?”

    Clearly, it’s only a true vote if Trump had won. Even if there wasn’t a single Democratic poll watcher and every single vote was viewed as legit by Republican poll watchers, they’d STILL say Democrats committed voter fraud.

    1. So anyone who supports Trumps reelction is a “cultist”? Gfy

      Any rational assessment of policies for almost any non-leftists points to Trump as the preferred candidate. Biden is a mess of hyper leftist fantasies with an abysmal track record. Its not being a cultist to look at the last four years and think, “not too bad, all things considered”

      So live in your tribal fantasy world where anyone not suckling at the lefty teat is somehow a “cultist”. Delude yourslef into thinking biden is somehow, in some world, better for the country. Maybe better for other countries, but not this one.

      1. And you go ahead and live in your cultist fantasy too. I’m sure the next meeting is happening soon, so be sure to put on your orange spray tan and buy lots of McDonald’s for everyone! XD

        1. It’s always the same with you tribal morons. you cannot handle any rational discussion of Trump’s good points without reverting to calling people cultists, racists or, morons. It’s pathetic and says more about your own lack of adult capacity then it does about anything else.

          1. The campaign is over and he lost. He can take his alleged good points and shit them all over Twitter while not controlling the most complex organization on the planet now.

      2. “Its not being a cultist to look at the last four years and think, “not too bad, all things considered”

        They say cultists because the reality hurts too much to consider. Democrats are now the party of elites. They are the pampered Karens who have no clue what its like to lose your job or daycare to an overblown flu. The worst thing about their lives is Trump’s tweets and seeing people without masks at the grocery store.

        1. Exactly. Big social media storm in my school district, where a bunch of HS students were at a private party without social distancing. no covid, just the premise that they aren’t “following rules”. And the statists are screaming about how they should be punished.
          Creeping authoritarian wannabes who are constantly projecting their misanthropic world view onto Trump. And they can’t point to one time where he actually proclaimed how they should live their lives.

        2. And you’re denying the seriousness of a pandemic because you have a cultural hangup about educated people. And you’re asking for respect. What’s next, you let a bear attack you because a bear expert told you it was dangerous to taunt bears?

          At some point you people have got to stop whining and take some personal responsibility. Making a hygiene measure into a cultural signal is disturbing and incredibly retarded.

    2. And if trump had won, and the results where as severely effed up as they are now, i would be screaming just as loudly for an investigation. Integrity in elections is the only thing shown to keep tribal morons from killing each other, No one needs that crap.

      But they arent skewed for trump, essentially proving that he is not the fascist dictator you clueless morons think he is. His results track very well what prior republicans pulled, considereing his party enthusiasm. Bidens numbers are utter fantasy, pulling 25% inreases over clinton in swing states where he barely campaigned and had negligible enthusiasm. Its a vile lie and destructive to our faith in elections.

      1. Except for one, every single one of Trump’s lawsuit attempts has been dropped or thrown out due to a lack of evidence. If there was a time to prove voter fraud, it would be in court.

        If you can’t bring anything to court, if you have no proof, then it’s not true. There. was. no. fraud. If you think you’re so much smarter than all the “trained” lawyers, go right ahead and see about proving fraud. See how it goes for you. I’ll wait.

        1. Dude, Trump lost. That’s proof of fraud right there.

          1. Sarcasmuc so values liberty, he’s going to celebrate and help cover up totalitarian style fraud to own the Trumpers

            1. Show one single solitary comment where I sing the praises of Biden or the Democrats, or cheer Trump’s loss. Make sure my name is spelled correctly, and keep the comments in context.

              You can’t do it because you’re a lying sack of shit.

              1. He never claimed you “sing the praises of Biden or the Democrats, or cheer Trump’s loss.”

                He claimed you are going to “help cover up totalitarian style fraud to own the Trumpers”, which from what I’ve seen is accurate.

                You are shilling for the left and embracing clear fraud. Not a good look for any rational adult. But can’t see where anyone claimed that of you either.

                1. No, I’m making fun of the Trump crybabies who will whine and cry and bitch and moan like little babies until they see the results they want. Then The People Will Have Spoken. You guys are pathetic. You lost. Accept it and move on. Stop embarrassing yourselves.

                2. And yes, Nardz is constantly calling me a leftist, yet his only evidence is that I’m not a fan of Trump. Here’s a clue dipshits: a dislike of Trump’s trade and immigration policies does not equal allegiance to his political enemies. I know that’s too much for your little Trump brains to comprehend, but I can assure you it’s a fact.

        2. “If you can’t bring anything to court, if you have no proof, then it’s not true”

          You fail basic logic with that statement. Truth and reality do not require “court” approval. Whether or not Trump wins in court says nothing about whether or not the Dems committed massive fraud in the 2020 election.
          And to most rational people in the areas in question, its an obvious answer. Yes they did commit fraud, because its the only way the numbers make sense in areas like SE PA. Philly is known for election fraud, which has been going on for decades. No one near Philly would even question that statement. To all of a sudden, pretend that voter fraud hasn’t been happening for decades in Philly and it suburbs, when there is prior existing proof of that exact thing, is the height of tribal delusion.
          Trump is not the one grasping at straws. It’s the gaslighting left who is now claiming the elections are fraud-free.

          1. There. Was. No. Fraud.

            You just refuse to accept it because you can’t possibly believe an outcome where Trump loses. It’s impossibly for you to comprehend.

    3. Because the fraud was in the counting machines.

  24. Trump couldn’t acknowledge reality. That’ why this irregularity in his messages.

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  25. You can’t actually concede an election until it’s over.
    I will check back 12/13/2020.

    1. Have you people ever participated in an election before? Why do you all behave as if you’ve never experienced this before?

  26. STOP THE PRESSES AGAIN!!! MAJOR REVISION TO TRUMP’S PENDING CONCESSION SPEECH!!!

    This one is styled after the famous historical writings of the “Diet of Worms”; See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diet_of_Worms#:~:text=The%20Diet%20of%20Worms%201521,Free%20City%20of%20the%20Empire.
    Nobody likes me,
    Everybody hates me!
    Guess I’ll go eat worms.

    Long, slim slimy ones,
    Short, fat juicy ones,
    Itsy, bitsy, fuzzy, wuzzy worms.

    First you get a bucket,
    Then you get a shovel,
    Oh how they wiggle and squirm.

    First you pull the heads off,
    Then you suck the guts out.
    Oh how they wiggle and squirm.

    Down goes the first one,
    Down goes the second one,
    Oh how they wiggle and squirm.

    Up comes the first one,
    Up comes the second one,
    Oh how they wiggle and squirm.

  27. When “mail ballot fraud!” didn’t work, Trump switched to “the voting machines were rigged!”

    When that doesn’t work, what’s he gonna try next? He’s running out of fraud proposals.

    1. THIS is next!

      https://www.trtworld.com/opinion/this-is-how-a-trump-constitutional-coup-would-unfold-41479

      A coup in the United States sounds absurd. But who would have thought the US would be in a position where the sitting president is refusing to concede defeat?

      Welcome to the Trumptatorshit FOR REAL, Comrade!

    2. https://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/ny-oped-what-trump-may-be-plotting-20201113-oxgnobw7d5bttb7twuv2r5adtq-story.html

      Pay special attention to #9 from there, copied below…

      9. Wield the threat of mob violence. Trump has continued to rile up his most extreme supporters. In some cases, this has meant only protesting, which is certainly their right. But Trump’s supporters often carry weapons, and the president is keen to embrace thuggery.

      Mindless, irrational, ideologically blinded, power-lusting commenters shown right here are eager to urge on the thugs, if not join them in the thuggery itself!

      1. Turn about is fair play.

        1. What does that mean? You think something your political opponents have done justifies violence and stealing elections?

  28. Trump lost the election. That’s all the evidence one needs to prove there was fraud.

  29. “Trump continues to maintain that Republican observers were barred from count rooms (which is not true) and that election software produced by Dominion Voting Systems deleted votes for him (which is not true either).”

    Sullum (who has trashed Trump in every article he’s written about the POTUS) cites an article written by himself and another one in the anti-Trump NY Times (both of which relied upon claims by Democrats and other Trump haters) as the only evidence of truth.

  30. I don’t think the election was stolen by a vast, left-wing conspiracy. I think it was most likely stolen by a large number of lefturds acting on their own or in small, localized groups.

    -jcr

    1. More nefarious yet, they were acting individually. You get burned, you don’t take anyone with you. Classic spy craft. I shouldn’t be telling you this, but this is where the scheme gets good. See, individuals go and vote because they think Trump is horrendous disastrous murderous treasonous trash, and then they go home and have lunch. No one will ever detect fraud that has no hallmark of fraud. Don’t you wish you were this smart?

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