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TikTok Will Outlast Trump

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Feds still fighting for TikTok ban but will delay enforcement. TikTok isn't quite safe yet, but President Donald Trump's absurd and authoritarian attempt to effectively ban the app by forbidding Americans from doing business with ByteDance, its parent company, is flailing.

To carry out the president's order, the Commerce Department declared back in August that as of November 12, 2020, certain business transactions with TikTok—including "any provision of internet hosting services" and "any provision of content delivery network services"—were banned. In September, a federal judge preliminarily rebuffed implementation of the ban, however, and in October, another federal court blocked the Commerce Department from enforcing the ban.

Yesterday, the Commerce Department appealed the latter ruling but also said it would not enforce the order "pending further legal developments."

"The U.S. crackdown on Chinese social-media apps has been led by President Trump, and it is unclear how President-elect Joe Biden will address the situation," notes The Wall Street Journal. "Many members of Congress in both parties, however, have sounded alarms about potential Chinese data-gathering and surveillance in the U.S."

Like their GOP counterparts, Democrats have a history of raising concerns about TikTok and, more broadly, of using data privacy as an excuse to give the government more control of internet data and content. Trump's move—which seemed calculated to play to his base's animosity toward China and Big Tech more than anything—may have been more arbitrary but also more limited than the type of data "protection" policies Democrats are dreaming up.

Politicians in both major parties tend to give away the game a little in the details. Trump was OK with TikTok operating so long as it was partially sold to an American company, the U.S. government could possibly get a cut of that money, and he could brag about the good deal he brokered. Data protection bills and proposals tend to let internet companies keep collecting as much user data as they already are, provided they let the government (and users who request it) know what they've got.

Whatever happens, other court challenges to Trump's TikTok order are pending, including one from ByteDance asking the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit to overturn the Committee on Foreign Investment's ruling that ByteDance must divest TikTok.

ByteDance is reportedly also still in negotiations with U.S. buyers. More from the Journal:

As the legal underpinnings of the Trump administration's effort appear to be weakening, there were signs that the parties also were still far apart on the terms of the deal. Still, people familiar with ByteDance's thinking said the company was hopeful about reaching an agreement that would allow TikTok to remain in the U.S.

Mr. Trump issued an order in August stating that TikTok would be banned in the U.S., but later told reporters that he might approve a divestiture to a U.S. company.

Under a preliminary proposal that Mr. Trump approved in concept in September, Oracle Corp. and Walmart Inc. would take a combined 20% in TikTok Global, a new U.S.-based company that would run the global service. But among the major sticking points in the continuing negotiations was the size of the stake that ByteDance would get to keep in TikTok, according to people familiar with the matter.

People familiar with ByteDance have said the company is working to take measures to safeguard the data of its American users, but noted that they don't believe the U.S. government has authority to dictate the corporate structure of a Chinese company.

The Washington Post points out that "if the Trump administration and TikTok don't work out a deal soon, that could put the ball in Biden's court once he's in office. He could reverse the order that imposed the ban and find another way to address the app's security concerns—or choose to defend the government's ban in court as the legal process continues." More:

Biden has said little about what he would do to rein in the app should the company fail to reach a deal with Trump.

While Biden has largely criticized Trump's China policy as ineffective when it comes to trade, he has expressed his own concerns with TikTok and said he would review security concerns with the app. "I think that it's a matter of genuine concern that TikTok, a Chinese operation, has access to over 100 million young people particularly in the United States of America," Biden said during a campaign stop in September.

A Biden representative said the team had nothing to share at this time regarding its plans for TikTok. TikTok declined to comment on if the company had spoken with the Biden team about the ban.


QUICK HITS

• The Department of Homeland Security said yesterday that the 2020 election was "the most secure in American history….There is no evidence that any voting system deleted or lost votes, changed votes, or was in any way compromised."

• "Part of the surprise at the Miami vote may have come from the somewhat contrived 'Latino,' a term that often obscures as much as it clarifies," writes Antonio Garcia-Martinez.

• Chicago is asking residents to stay home again.

• "Political science research suggests that not too much should be read into poll responses that question the legitimacy of election victories," Daniel W. Drezner reminds us.

• An update on the president's voter fraud lawsuits:

• Heads up:

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  1. The Department of Homeland Security said yesterday that the 2020 election was “the most secure in American history…”

    BREAKING NEWS: Deep State Vouches for Self

    1. It’s almost as convincing as when election officials said it.

      1. I’d be more upset if Trump weren’t so obviously beclowing himself.

        Of course if he weren’t a clown he wouldn’t have lost to Biden.

        But then he wouldn’t have beaten Hillary.

        Maybe we’d have President Ted Cruz instead?

        1. Probably we would have also ran Jeb Bush.

          1. And President Clinton.

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        2. Yet Trump is one of the few people actually fighting Democrat massive election fraud.

          Its almost like that “clown” label is inaccurate.

          Trump got 10+ million more votes in 2020 than 2016. As I said on here, Trump is more popular than he was in 2016.

          1. So, apparently is the Democrat ticket.

            Biden 2020 got about 11 million more votes than Clinton 2016.

            Trump 2020 got about 11 million more votes than Trump 2016.

            Clinton got 3M more votes than Trump in 2016. All of them came from California.

            Biden got 5M more votes than Trump in 2020. Most of them came from California.

            Of course, it should go without saying that the mythical “national majority” is irrelevant. And with 48% Clinton didn’t get it.

            Trump may sound like a sore loser and spoiled petulant child having a temper tantrum but in complaining about it the Democrats sound like there worrying about something. If Trump’s antics get some light shone on some cheaters it’s all to the good. Even if there wasn’t “enough” fraud to affect the outcome there’s no reason not tog after those responsible.

            Who becomes President is not up to Donald Trump. Neither is it up to Joe Biden or the media.

            Procedures will be followed, vote counts will be certified, electors will meet and someone will be sworn in on 1/20/21.

            Frankly it won’t matter who it is because starting 1/21/21 the Democrats will be trying to remove him from office. 🙂

            1. Thank you. Very well written. I doubt Trump can show enough fraud to change the elections but why is everyone from Reason, to White Knight, to Facebook, to Twitter, to the MSM, including a good portion of FNC, trying to convince us that even investigating fraud is a bad thing for Democracy? And have been for several months.

              1. Because there was a massive amount of fraud, and it was decisive.

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              2. Has a few typos:

                “Trump 2020 got about 11 9 million more votes than Trump 2016.” Big difference there.

                A couple of instances of “there” instead of “they’re”. In spite of the fact that I know better, I keep making that one.

                Also: “there’s no reason not tog to go after those responsible.”

              3. When did I ever say that “even investigating fraud is a bad thing for Democracy”?

                Please, investigate fraud. I wouldn’t be shocked at all to find out that some of the affidavit’s from election workers in cities like Philadelphia are true.

                1. Shut the fuck up Dee.

                2. Pretty much have slammed anyone who championed investigations, and been an absolute asshole to anyone who questioned the outcome since November 4. I am judging you by your recent behavior towards just about everyone lately except Chipper and Tony.

      2. PERHAPS IF THEY TWEETED IT IN ALL CAPS IT WOULD BOOST THE CREDIBILITY!

        1. Perhaps if you were actually observant you would question why they are working so hard to convince people.

          1. Would you characterize President Trump’s approach to challenging the election results as reasonable, adult behavior?

            1. >>reasonable, adult behavior?

              who defines it?

              1. Reasonable adults.

                1. seems cyclic and arrogant?

                  1. Not really. A lot of things in life, especially social things, are fuzzy. Our brains are evolved to deal with fuzziness.

                    1. Your definition increasingly seems to only include people who agree with you and never question Reasons narratives

                    2. soldiermedic76, come on … answer honestly: are Trump’s recent tweets behavior from a reasonable adult?

                  2. What other standard would you have? Some top men defining it for us?

                    1. well not smarmy WK lol … “reasonable adults” sounds like churchy republicans.

              2. It is what you were taught by your parents and teachers.

                1. I thought I was supposed to revolt against parents and teachers was I wrong?

            2. It’s certainly not Presidential. We want our politicians to be dignified, serious and sober, comfortably calming when they make their predictably boring speeches full of platitudes that say nothing. We want to maintain the status quo and the status quo involves predictably corrupt and self-serving politicians who say much and do little. People like Joe Biden, who have taken every position imaginable on every issue imaginable with mealy-mouthed, weasel-worded, cliche-filled bits of nonsense, but at the end of the day they manage to spend 47 years in government without accomplishing a goddamn thing.

              1. Poor Lefty apologists, like WK, hate that Trump did not concede and is successfully fighting this massive election fraud in court.

                1. How am I being a “Lefty apologist” by pointing out that Trump’s recent behavior is unhinged? That’s a plain truth that a non-partisan libertarian like myself can observe without any sympathy toward leftist ideology.

                  1. You keep conflating tweets with axtions.

                    Has he sent spies into the Biden camp? Has he launched bogus criminal probes based on normal Transition activity? Have the set perjury traps for Biden underlings? Is Impeach 46 already on the docket?

                    Lefty apologists were fine with all that. I guess because it was done with the proper crease in their trousers

                    1. I’m not conflating tweets with actions. I believe that words are important, not only actions.

                      I know that Trump apologists often retreat to the position that words don’t matter, but I adamantly disagree.

                    2. Have any of Biden’s advisors had secret meeting with Russians? Has Biden called any foreign leaders and asked them to gin up an investigation of his 2024 rivals?

                    3. Moderation, you fvckin moron, thanks for proving my point. There were no ” secret meetings”, and the Ukranian call happened 3 years into his Presidency.

              2. >not Presidential … dignified, serious and sober

                arcane, Jerrys … which one would you prefer he act like?

                1. Why is none of the above not a choice here?

                  1. Jerry defined Presidential as those three things as tho’ someone was those three things … Eisenhower?

                    1. I think jerry was mocking the notion that those three things should be as important as they are to people like wk who need so badly to be lead by people who will pat them on the head and talk nice to them.

                    2. “people like wk who need so badly to be lead by people who will pat them on the head and talk nice to them.”

                      That’s one characterization. What I would like is to live in a country with reasonable, freedom-respecting governance led by responsible adults with some integrity.

                    3. >>I think jerry was mocking the notion

                      oh fuck I missed sarcasm. now I see thanks! and sorry Jerrys

                    4. “What I would like is to live in a country with reasonable, freedom-respecting governance led by responsible adults with some integrity.”

                      Nobody believes this is anything but an outright lie, at least nobody who has read your comments here.

                    5. Dee squawks all over these boards, then acts shocked when people don’t treat her like anything besides a squawking bird.

              3. False dichotomy. There are surely more potential Presidents in this nation of 300+ million than only Trump and Biden.

                1. Except that wasn’t the narrative being pushed by the media, so your counter-argument is meaningless.

                  1. What does whatever the media has been pushing have to do with me?

                    1. Your meaningless argument and your person are not the same thing.

                    2. “Your meaningless argument and your person are not the same thing.”

                      In WK’s case they are.
                      Why do you think he’s so personally threatened by Trump?

        2. Shocking, you prefer behavior to substance.

          1. More of JesseAz’s patented black and white thinking: if someone considers words important, then they don’t care about actions. Even though it is widely acknowledged that words can be used to spread misinformation and incite conflict.

          2. Not behavior so much as false appearance.
            People like WK take their value from bullshit credentials and customs that hide their inherent lack of worth.
            Trump blows up that paradigm.
            In an HR manager world, nothing is more evil than an individual.

        3. This is just fucking peurile.

    2. Facebook assures me every time I open their Ap, at the top of my timeline (despite the fact I’ve clicked see less of this multiple times) that there is nothing to see here. I am of the I doubt there was enough fraud to change anything crowd and it will be hard to prove crowd. But as hard as they are trying to convince me…. It makes you wonder.

      1. You can almost see the sweat on their foreheads.

      2. I’d really like to see what these companies would be doing if Trump had won and Democrats were going on about stolen elections and coups. I suspect it would look a bit different. I’m about where you are at in terms of the fraud question, but all of the “nothing to see here” stuff like that does smell a little fishy.

        1. And the constant mantra of “must concede today”. Also I am getting tired of Democrats and progressives (often redundant) sitting a Biden victory is a return to democracy. So Trump winning wasn’t democracy? It’s only Democracy when the Democrats win?

          1. Four years of them delegatimizing Trump’s victory and now Trump is wrong for protesting some questionable results?

            1. He’s going a bit beyond “protesting some questionable results”. That would be sane, reasonable behavior. He’s repeating QAnon conspiracy theories, and demanding that states “immediately be put in the Trump Win column”:

              “REPORT: DOMINION DELETED 2.7 MILLION TRUMP VOTES NATIONWIDE. DATA ANALYSIS FINDS 221,000 PENNSYLVANIA VOTES SWITCHED FROM PRESIDENT TRUMP TO BIDEN. 941,000 TRUMP VOTES DELETED. STATES USING DOMINION VOTING SYSTEMS SWITCHED 435,000 VOTES FROM TRUMP TO BIDEN.”

              1. same force as “President-Elect Biden”

                1. No, not really.

                  1. both currently meaningless.

                    1. What are both currently meaningless?

                    2. You and your words.

              2. He’s repeating QAnon conspiracy theories

                Citation? On QAnon being the originator of the tweet you are questioning. Seems you added that as a narrative.

              3. Did you sleep through millions of dollars spent in the Russia conspiracy?

                1. That was my point. You didn’t bash the Democrats for their several year conspiracy but God forbid Trump question results.

                  1. “question results”? He’s posting unfounded conspiracy theories and demanding that states’ electoral votes be “immediately” be credited to his win column.

                    This is exactly the type of statement I am referring to when I say there are “Trump apologists” here.

                    1. You know you haven’t really addressed my main argument at all. Because you can’t refute it. So you focus on a small sliver of my argument and then try to discredit my whole argument based upon a small point and your own bias. There is some evidence that raises questions, there is legitimate complaints, to call it all made up is disingenuous. It is partisan claptrap. It is hyperbolic hyperventilating to say Trump is the biggest threat to democracy. I think people like AOC who is keeping a list and Robert Reich who is calling for reeducation camps, and people calling to punish media sources that disagree with them, and mostly they are on the left these folks, are a much bigger threat to democracy. Mainly because they don’t get called out. They are allowed to print their nonsense without any real pushback. Yes, some pushback in fringe publications (and face if Reason is not anything but fringe and they have arguably focused less on AOCs list than on all things orange Man bad). You don’t question the narrative, you go right along with it 9 out of 10 times.

                    2. You just put a bunch of words in my mouth that I never said:

                      “call it all made up” — What did I call all made up?
                      “Trump is the biggest threat to democracy”
                      “You don’t question the narrative, you go right along with it 9 out of 10 times.” When have we even discussed AOC or Robert Reich? How do you know “I go along with it”?

                    3. The fact that you bitch about Trump’s tweets non stop but failed to mention AOC’s far scarier ones demonstrates disinterest at the best.

                    4. As for when you called it made up… What the fuck do you think the word conspiracy men’s first of all?? Second you have implied it since 11/4 and have bashed anyone who dare says that there should be an investigation since 11/4.:

              4. The Russiabs Hacked our Democracy!, in a act of war! Trump has been a Russian agent for a decade!

          2. Of course. That’s why they are called “democrats”.

            1. Silly me. It was right their in their name. Like the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea. I should have known.

          3. Of course. If the people had chosen Trump then it would be populism.

            Its democracy and ‘the vote is final’ when it goes my way. Its populism and ‘the electorate is uneducated’ when it doesn’t.

            1. Its populism and ‘the electorate is uneducated’ ‘Russian meddling’ when it doesn’t.

              FTFY

        2. I’m about where you are at in terms of the fraud question, but all of the “nothing to see here” stuff like that does smell a little fishy.

          Especially after the election in 2016 was so soundly stolen.

      3. I’m with you soldier. But I’ve raised the chances from 1%.

        1. That’s from less than 1% to more than 1%. Weird Reason won’t post that?

            1. Learn html.

              1. Mac’s been hacked and censored by Big Tech. Or he’s really Ron Paul (too soon?).

              2. ‘Learn to Code’ is something that print journalists tell coal miners and that the rest of us tell print journalists.

      4. You can fix that by deleting the app – – – – – – – –

      5. I am of the 0-faith-in-American-institutions crowd, so Venezuela style elections here we come.

        Trump gained on his 2016 totals massively, and there are huge inconsistencies between swing states right next to each other but based on D vs R leadership.
        They’ve been telling us they’re going to cheat big to oust Trump, and I believe them.

      6. They may feel a need to react to sources of misinformation who are themselves trying really hard:

        https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1326926226888544256?s=20

        1. Yeah yeah it is all Trump’s fault. What will you and your cohorts use when he is gone?

          1. “my cohort”? I’m expressing my personal, non-partisan libertarian opinion of Trump. He’s a dangerously deranged moron.

            1. Your cohorts. Because you rarely ever question the narrative, especially if Reason goes along with it. You agree without questioning the media about 9 out of 10 times.
              You spend more ire hating Trump than on folks who get little coverage and pushback and are in elected office who are keeping lists and demanding investigations of people who support Trump and Republicans (AOC). This is a far bigger threat to democracy.
              You also don’t seem to be concerned Biden is apparently not mentally healthy enough (or his mental acuity is questionable at best) and thus easily manipulated by his handlers and about to take office. Because all you care about is what the media tells you to care about. And that means ‘to save democracy we have to get rid of Trump’.
              I voted for Jorgenson, but I am not fool enough to think Biden is anything but another step closer to lost liberty and a bigger threat to liberty than Trump ever was. And this is because the media, including FNC and Reason, seem less willing to question him. Hell, Politico and Atlantic even ran stories on how it is a good thing the media will shield Biden from scrutiny. I think Facebook and Twitter and the media doing everything possible to avoid actually investigating if Trump is at all correct in his allegations, and avoiding any investigation of Biden’s health, is a huge danger to democracy.
              Trump had an adversarial media, this protects the country. Biden has a compliant media (and yes Reason will run protest stories but with far less vitriol and effort than what they did against Trump). You think this is good thing or are at least willing to shrug your shoulders and go about your life because orange Man bad. You don’t want to question the narrative. You don’t want others to question the narrative because you are comfortable with the narrative, it is easy and safe.

              1. When have I ever, for example, expressed a positive or negative opinion about AOC? I don’t recall any conversations in this comment section about AOC any time recently.

                1. You haven’t expressed any opinion but you go out of your way to bash Republicans and anyone on the right. That is the problem. She is elected official keeping an enemies list whose opinion seems to have heavy influence in the incoming administration. but reason has barely covered her enemies list and you save all your ire for conservative posters and Republicans.

            2. And you are a partisan. Being partisan doesn’t require you to be Republican or Democrat. You are a partisan of a certain brand of smarmy libertarianism and defending Reason no matter how questionable their writings. That is partisan.

              1. You just came up with your own peculiar definition of partisan. Partisan means taking the side of a party. I don’t do that.

                1. Definition of partisan (Entry 1 of 3)
                  1 : a firm adherent to a party, faction, cause, or person
                  especially : one exhibiting blind, prejudiced, and unreasoning allegiance

                  This is you Dee.

                2. You don’t know what the word partisan means do you?

                  1. Dee is one of those people that’s the dumbest one in the room, but thinks she’s the most clever. We all have a family member like that who shows up at events talking shit and everyone just roles their eyes at.

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    5. Hello.

      “Chicago is asking residents to stay home again.”

      Stay home for a virus known to spread…indoors.

      The incompetent stupidity of these criminals is appallingly breathtaking.

      Crimes against humanity.

      Here, seniors are committing suicide now.

      #Swedenwasright

      1. I wonder how these rules apply to large families? NYC is capping it at 10 people, the number of families >10 is not huge but does exist, Chicago it is 6, with a very large Hispanic community where families >6 is fairly significant. Does CPS come in and take out the extra kids for their protection?
        Mayor Lightfoot putting kids in cages!!!/sarc

        1. Whatever. It’s all arbitrary nonsense. I won’t be listening.

          There’s a study that claims 10 is actually scientifically correct.

          Science is dead.

          No shit. If we all live alone in isolation then we will all be safe.

          But that’s not a life now is it, eh?

          Truly loathe the corona harpies.

          1. And completely avoid nature. They still haven’t tracked down the host species. It looks like it may have started in bats but the likelihood of humans contracting it from bats directly is extremely remote. Actually a growing number are saying it is entirely possible this escaped from the lab in Wuhan.

        2. 3/4 of CuoBlasio’s pandemic response has been a thinly veiled “fuck you” to the ultra-orthodox Jews. That large, multigenerational households would be affected is a feature.

          1. His drug-addled daughter went hilariously off-script a couple days ago, saying “And Biden stole the election….no, wait….” That’s right up there with Biden going “we have the best voter fraud organization.”

            They’re a lot more honest when they’re speaking off the cuff.

    6. It was a non-governmental advisory board, not DHS.

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  2. Part of the surprise at the Miami vote may have come from the somewhat contrived ‘Latino,’ a term that often obscures as much as it clarifies…

    I wonder why all the sudden interest in de-essentialisming that big tent.

    1. Time to kick out the icky Latinos!

      1. Just the wrong sort of Latino’s. Those evil Columbians, Venezuelans and Cubans, the people who actually understand how socialism works.

        1. And Texans of Mexican heritage that voted wrong too.

        2. What part of ignorance is bliss don’t you understand?

          1. I know silly me, thinking truth and knowledge will set people free.

    2. No true Latinx-man?

    3. “If you didn’t vote for Biden, you ain’t a spic!”

    4. You’re not Latino if you don’t vote for Biden.

  3. TikTok Will Outlast Trump

    Tiktok will be around through Trump’s entire second term as president?

    1. They will be around, just not in the USA.

    2. Always hopeful!

    3. You might want to prepare some “TRUMP 2024!” ASCII art, just in case.

  4. Anybody feeling a “the lady doth protest too much” vibe? Facebook, Google, twitter, the media, and now homeland security are all tripping over themselves to tell us how fair and honest this election was.

      1. Based on MSM and unreason defensive spin to protect Biden before all the ballots are counted, this lying by omission will just get worse here at unreason.

        1. The repugnant plan brewing for state legislatures to steal the election must be stopped

          The electoral college count is going against President Trump. His efforts to overturn those results in courts are unlikely to succeed. So some Republicans — including the president’s son — are starting to promote a bid to have GOP-controlled state legislatures undo the will of the voters in states won by former vice president Joe Biden.

          They would accomplish this undemocratic feat with the electoral college version of the nuclear option. The ordinary practice in a state where Biden won the popular-vote total would be that state officials certify the election results and send a slate of electors pledged to Biden to Congress for its formal approval.

          But state legislatures that conclude the popular-vote total has somehow been corrupted could claim the constitutional authority to submit competing slates of pro-Trump electors and ask Congress to accept that result instead. That radical move would set up a potential clash between the House, with its Democratic majority, and the Senate, which is likely to remain in Republican hands. This bicameral breakdown would create electoral chaos and a constitutional crisis.
          […]
          Yes, the Constitution gives state legislatures the technical power to appoint electors

          Trump vs Biden victory for Trump is going to be glorious. Thank God the Founders installed so many roadblocks to Communists trying to take over this Republic.

          1. Checks and balances? Federalism? Say it ain’t so!

          2. Four years later, “Electoral College voters don’t have to vote for the presumptive winner” doesn’t look like such a great argument anymore.

    1. Before they could have possibly had an chance of actually investigating any claims or analyzing results. I could understand issuing this statement in 3 months, but right now it is just an insult to our intelligence.

    2. Yeh. Pass.

      Either it’s all noise at which point Trump is one heckuva of a noisemaker or there was fraud – and possibly bigly fraud.

      Wouldn’t surprise me if Trump actually got 80 million votes and Biden 60.

      1. The mail-in ballots that are NOT absentee ballots are by definition fraudulent ballots.

        It is impossible to confirm that a legally registered voter is the person who voted only once.

        Absentee ballots require an extra step to limit ballot fraud by only being sent when a legally registered voter requests an absentee ballot.

        Now we know that hundreds of thousands of Democrats sent in mail-in ballots and voted in person.

        1. “The mail-in ballots that are NOT absentee ballots are by definition fraudulent ballots.”

          State legislatures make define their rules, not you.

          “Now we know that hundreds of thousands of Democrats sent in mail-in ballots and voted in person.”

          We *know* that? Cite?

        2. or they could, you know, check signatures or something.

          1. Which Pa’s election official claimed mail in ballots didn’t have to have signature verification, while in person still did.

    3. https://twitter.com/yinonw/status/1324223988747304961?s=19

      These are some astounding absentee voting results.

      Joe Biden is +57.7 in PA and +37.9 in MI, compared to being up only single digits in absentee voting in most other battleground states. WI is not reported, but would be interesting. Source is NYT.

      1. unfortunately this is the best evidence Trump has that something was not above board, but there’s no way to prove it now.

        Why are voters who vote by mail in PA and Michigan, two states split 50-50, more pro-Biden than mail in voters in Cali, where biden won 65-35?

        1. and the news networks all seemed confident on election night that mail-in ballots in PA would swing the state back to Biden, even though it was mathematically improbable that he could overtake Trump’s 400,000 vote lead, unless 70+% of the ballots favored Biden, which would be far higher than the margin in other states.

          1. Hell the secretary of state guaranteed in as many words, mail in ballots would insure Biden would win, no matter how bad Trump was beating him in in person voting. Maybe it was partisan hyperbole, but then again… Who knows? But yeah we shouldn’t investigate because White Knight x Facebook and the DHS tell us everything was okay.
            As an aside, the more White Knight acts smarmy and toes the media narrative line the more I reconsider my conclusion that Trump is just not accepting reality and maybe there is something to his charges of voter fraud.

            1. When did I ever say election fraud should not be investigated?

              1. Shut the fuck up Dee.

      1. “The laptop did not hold any ‘sensitive election-related data’ and was not used for election programming, said spokeswoman Katina Granger, of Election Systems & Software of Omaha, Nebraska, the manufacturer. She said ES&S immediately cut it off from the vendor’s network upon learning of the theft.”

        1. Weird how you believe that person without pause, yet were dismissing the statements from the USPS guy.

      2. “Granger of ES&S said the companies’ USB devices use multiple levels of encryption and are “married” to single voting machines during programming. But Perez said that it’s so far unclear how far along Philadelphia was in programming for the Nov. 3 election — and thus how much of a threat the theft might pose.”

        So, whoever stole the USB drives would have to be able to match up each drive with a particular voting machine to do anything with them.

        1. Wrong.
          They all have the same key.
          Get that key, you have access and control over everything.

          1. “They all have the same key.” That directly contradicts the statement that they are “married” to single voting machines.

    4. https://twitter.com/RealEricCarmen/status/1327119094269751297?s=19

      From the New York Times….. How to “hack” voting machines.
      I can almost feel the suppression before I send this. Retweet!!!

  5. Chicago is asking residents to stay home again.

    Unless protesting or celebrating.

    1. Or racketeering

    2. And by asking, they mean ordering.

    3. Or changing votes in an essential manner

    4. but only democrat approved celebrations of vote outcome or when Rush Limbaugh finally passes.

  6. Am I first today?

    1. Nope, should have refreshed.

      1. Pro tip: Never predict it in the comment itself. Fucks with the spacetime continuum if you’re right.

        1. In the words of the esteemed Dr. Emmet Brown “screw it”.

          1. When he was discussing the repurcussions of messing with the space time consideration with his lab assistant Martin McFly.

        2. Says the owner of the spacetime continuum.

          I have actually posted first a few times, then come back later and seen an earlier post ahead of mine.

  7. Partisans Cheating By Ignoring Election Law Is A Problem As Big As Vote Fraud

    The Federalist is one of the few news outlets to still report on election events as they unfold.

    Poor Lefties and their propagandists like unreason.

    1. The sure sign of a true reliable source is being damned by Facebook.

  8. Political science research suggests that not too much should be read into poll responses that question the legitimacy of election victories…

    The bureaucracy doesn’t need your consent.

    1. Didn’t even read the article, but I know exactly what the poll results say if the political scientists tell me not to look behind that particular curtain.

  9. Why President Trump Has A Strong Supreme Court Case To Contest Pennsylvania

    PA judge sided with Trump campaign to toss tens of thousands of illegal mail-in ballots.

    1. Speaking of Tick Tock. Time is running out and the lawyers seem incompetent.

      1. When you’ve got Rudy Giuliani leading the team, incompetence is what you’re going to get.

        1. Yes, explain that to the Five Families in NY and the 911 survivors
          So incompetent.
          And you arent a lying POS lefty shill, either

          1. Checking my calendar… Yup, it’s 2020… and Rudy Giuliani has become a drunken, incompetent joke.

            1. But you’re still a lying POS lefty shill.

          2. It’s amazing how insecure WK is.
            It proves its incompetence here every day, and has to harp on accomplished people to trick itself.

  10. Republicans Pick Up Tenth House Seat With New York Victory

    Democrat senate candidates conceded to GOP Senators in AK and NC yesterday.

    VP Pence will have no problem breaking ties in the US Senate until Jan 2025.

    1. No tie. Current senators continue to serve until the next Senate is sworn in.

    2. Those two Senate races in GA are a worry though.

      Yang told people to go and commit fraud basically. So they don’t even worry about lying in public. As long as you have useful idiots on your side you can loot, cheat and steal. Bloomberg is gonna send some cash probably. He wants to over turn the 2A bad.

      I thought ‘dark money’ was bad in politics.

      1. Only the wrong dark money. Gee don’t you know anything?

        1. Democrat dark money is ‘money of color’. Geez.

      2. The GA recount by hand helps David Perdue too, as the current Georgia US Senator. He probably will have 50%+ of the vote and avoid the runoff.

        The race with Loeffler as our other Georgia US Senator was too split and there will almost definitely be a runoff between the Democrat and Loeffler.

        Georgia has not been locked down so out of ~4 million ballots cast 2,694,763 were early in person voting ballots cast. Georgia has already rejected 2,689 absentee ballots so far out of 1,782,580 requested. A 74.1% return rate is claimed.

        Georgia Early Voting Statistics

        1. Georgia has election laws that dont allow transient person traveling to Georgia for election to be considered residents of Georgia and for their vote to count.

          1. not if you are moved in by Dec 7th, and stay for some unspecified amount of time after Jan 5th.
            Which is pretty easy to do if you’re working from home.

          2. It’s a good thing we have election laws so we know the Democrats can’t cheat.

    3. Thank goodness. I can sleep better at night knowing the Senate stands between Biden/Harris and the U.S. Treasury.

  11. To be clear, these are not complicated things for lawyers to do.

    Even Trump’s attorneys want Biden to win.

    1. They are just laying the groundwork for the Chewbacca defense.

    2. It is complicated for lawyers when liberals are putting you on their enemies list and sending death threats to your family for representing Trump.

  12. “I was talking with my U.K. colleagues who are saying the U.K. is similar to where we are now, because each of our countries have that independent spirit,” Fauci said while speaking at Washington National Cathedral. “I can understand that, but now is the time to do what you’re told.”

    And biden will play along. Good work with your principles.

    https://www.dailywire.com/news/fauci-u-s-has-independent-spirit-but-its-time-to-do-what-youre-told-to-stop-pandemic

    1. The UK population is ‘independent’?!
      Bull…
      Shit.

      1. Well, maybe the hooligans…

      2. Look up ‘Liverpool mass Covid test’.

        The UK has the weather for a dystopia.

    2. “I can understand that, but now is the time to do what you’re told.”

      He is just so smug about scaring people into restricting their own freedom. Are we sure that he is not related to Kirkland?

    3. now is the time to do what you’re told.”

      Boy, between the open call to lock everything down for 4-6 weeks (which that idiot Biden advisor immediately had to walk back because he showed their cards before taking the chair), and Fauci going full authoritarian, these guys sure are making a case for why Alma Coin had the right idea.

      1. I think Franklin said it best: if you aren’t willing to sacrifice liberty for safety, you don’t deserve either.
        Wait, what’s that you say? He said the opposite. My bad, I could have sworn it was what I quoted based upon all the “patriots and defenders of democracy” telling me if I don’t submit I must be a Nazi.

    4. https://twitter.com/TheSun/status/1326459652494643200?s=19

      Emotional moment grandma and grandpa hug their grandkids using a ‘hugging station’

  13. Elon Musk
    @elonmusk
    Something extremely bogus is going on. Was tested for covid four times today. Two tests came back negative, two came back positive. Same machine, same test, same nurse. Rapid antigen test from BD.

    1. The vaccine will be just as reliable.

      1. ‘Doc, why is there a horn growing out of my head? And what’s this funny looking ch….’

        Doctor (reading a chart. Calmly whacks Rufus): It’s nothing.

        Bill Gates looking from screen. Gives big thumbs up.

    2. Did he post shots of the test results?

      This is something that should have been a flag long before now–the testing kits that China sent to Italy were mostly trash that couldn’t provide any kind of reliable testing result. If the kits we’re using now are in any manufactured by the Chinks, then the odds that they’re also garbage, like a lot of shit made in China, is quite high.

      One of the networks last night (ABC, I think) was sucking China’s cock because they published the DNA of the virus right away after it came out, as if that was something particularly remarkable that wouldn’t have otherwise been done.

      1. There was that case of a president of an African country (I think it was Namibia) that sent samples from papaya fruits to be tested for coronavirus and they came back positive. So yes, this has been a red flag (pardon the China pun) for a very long time.

    3. Mrs. Casual works in a hospital. They’ve had a couple of employees test positive (months apart), one in her department. For every case, the DPH does “contact tracing”. Since she (and several others) sat next to the guy who tested positive for the three full days between when the guy thinks he contracted the virus and when he displayed symptoms, I asked when she gets her test results back. Knowing full well what she was saying, she replied, “Oh, they aren’t testing all the contacts, that would be an invasion of privacy.”

      Might as well be licking their thumbs, holding them up, and saying it came from whatever direction the wind is blowing. Given the jetstream here, I blame Canada. Even cargo cult science would be using the construct of allied air shipping as the model even if it no longer existed. This isn’t even that principled. We might as well be weighing ducks.

      1. It’s always safe to blame Canada. You might be wrong, but what are they gonna do about it, eh?

    4. If the test is 50 percent accurate, why not just flip a coin?
      It would be faster, and much cheaper. You can use a quarter.

  14. Today EFF is launching “How to Fix the Internet,” a podcast mini-series exploring some of the challenges facing the modern web—and inviting ideas on how we can build a better future.

    NET NEUTRALITY.

    Holy shit, remember that?

    1. How are we even posting on this destroyed internet?

      1. Just a bunch of tubes.

        1. I majored in compsci and work in IT, and I dont understand why this is considered an absurd metaphor for the internet.

      2. mine is coming out one text character at a time due to all the bandwidth restrictions

    2. Redditors are salivating over that.

      They’ve convinced themselves that the only reason that nothing bad has happened in the absence of net neutrality is that the bad people are waiting for the citizens to forget about it.

      1. These dufuses didnt realize that net neutrality already didnt apply to mobile internet.

  15. Lawsuit Claims 40,000-Plus Fraudulent Ballots Pumped Through Detroit For Joe Biden

    Eyewitnesses testify they saw approximately 40,000 irregular ballots arrive in vehicles with out-of-state plates during an early-morning poll worker shift change Nov. 4. That’s not even the half of it.

    Wonder why the propagandists of unreason and MSM wont cover actual election events as they are proceeding through the courts?

    MSM and unreason were staffed by liars on Nov 2, 2020 and still are.

    1. I am sure that it was just a rented truck driven by an impartial union member delivering legitimate ballots to sincere workers in the pay of the honorable democratic party.

      1. I noticed someone on here said that the Trump campaign was unprepared for Democrats committing election fraud.

        Another lie the media is peddling.

        Trump supporters were MORE prepared thanks to the Democrat tip offs.

        Thomas, Barrett, Kavanaugh, and Gorsuch know full well what is at stake if Democrats win an election by fraud. Lefties will be emboldened to attack those justices.

        1. Trial balloon floating around to put Obama on the SC. lolol

    2. This has bigger implications than just Trump. Jame s only lost by a slim margin. His victory would have meant that the Republicans have elected another black senator, those racists.

      1. +10000000000000000

      2. Cue resident troll to post comment about Uncle Tom.

  16. …President Donald Trump’s absurd and authoritarian attempt to effectively ban the app by forbidding Americans from doing business with ByteDance, its parent company, is flailing.

    Now that we have a president owned by China instead of Russia, I think TikTok will do okay.

    1. Nah, Biden will start using it and the kids will realize its not cool*.

      *or whatever the whippersnappers are saying these days.

      1. I believe they’re saying rad.

      2. In their defense, from what I’ve seen of JB in staged appearances, he absolutely will fuck up Tiktoking.

      3. The bomb, i think.

    2. TikTok guaranteed its survival once people realized chicks were posting naked videos.

    3. That’s a bunch of malarkey.

  17. ….but now is the time to do what you’re told.”
    The most chilling statement of the year.

    1. Gavin newsome is a close second with his “we have to make sure that we help people help themselves” in reference to lockdowns in the spring.

      Mother fucker had a smile on his face.

    2. Funny how he waited until after the election to drop that line.

  18. https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2020/11/12/former-clinton-aide-offers-another-take-on-stealth-route-to-a-trump-2020-win-n2579988

    2 Comments on the linked article. First, it looks like Pennsylvania may have thrown out envelopes for mail in ballots against State law which requires them to be kept for 2 years. This would be a complete violation of election laws and stop audits from occurring. This would spoil the entire state election as the number of estimated ballots being contested is 450k.

    Second, even liberal papers are positing a not zero test of a non certification and throwing the election to the House.
    But state legislatures have the constitutional authority to conclude that the popular vote has been corrupted and thus send a competing slate of electors on behalf of their state. The 12th Amendment to the Constitution specifies that the “President of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the certificates and the votes shall then be counted.” That means that in the case of disputes about competing electoral slates, the President of the Senate—Vice President Pence—would appear to have the ultimate authority to decide which to accept and which to reject. Pence would choose Trump. Democrats would appeal to the Supreme Court.

    Alternatively, if at that point, no candidate has the required 270 electoral votes, the 12th Amendment stipulates, “the House of Representatives shall choose immediately, by ballot, the President. But in choosing the President, the votes shall be taken by states, the representation from each state having one vote.”

    The above was a citation from The National Interest.

    1. Leaked DNC Lawyers opening statement:

      Ladies and gentlemen, I’ll be brief. The issue here is not whether we broke a few rules, or took a few liberties with our citizens votes – we did. But you can’t hold a whole state responsible for the behavior of a few, sick twisted individuals….

      1. They actually can. Why the procedures to send to the House exist.

        1. Its why we have the 12th Amendment. The Founders realized they left off an important rule for elections out of the Constitution and fixed it.

        2. Well, you can do whatever you want to us, the resistance, but we’re not going to sit here and listen to you badmouth the United States of America. Gentlemen, Ladies, Gentleman Ladies, Lady Gentleman, POC, QWERTY!

    2. This is why I keep saying that this is going to come down to the Supreme Court regardless, just like Bush v. Gore. Everything else is just background noise as the prep for those hearings takes place.

  19. Election officials in Georgia stated the hand recount process will be completed by next week.

    The recount in Georgia is widely expected to give President Trump 16 electoral votes as well as expose a rampant Democrat effort to manipulate the vote.

    “We want to make sure this is a fair and transparent election,” Rep. Vernon Jones (D-Ga.) said. “More importantly, this is not just for Republicans but for Democrats as well.”

    There needs to be an immediate audit of every ballot cast in this past week’s election.

    If there’s no fraud, what is there to hide?
    — Vernon Jones (@RepVernonJones) November 10, 2020

    Rep. Jones added that the recount of 5 million ballots will happen at the local level by hand.

    1. How can a hand recount be “widely expected” to show any particular result? That’s why they’re doing the hand recount.

      It sounds like the network news anchors on election night saying the mail in ballots were “widely expected” to put Biden back in the lead in PA and MI.

  20.  “the most secure in American history….There is no evidence that any voting system deleted or lost votes, changed votes, or was in any way compromised.”

    More secure than elections that favored Obama? Maybe we should check those out

    1. What happened before the mailed in ballots arrived, who knows?
      But they were counted accurately.

  21. True the Vote Lawsuit: Dead People, Felons Voted Illegally in Michigan

    Voting in person just makes people think twice before committing voter fraud when they sign the perjury statement.

  22. So, reason(?) disputes Trump’s authority to constrain commerce. They will probably go nuts once Biden-Harris start interfering, right?

    1. Country wide 6 week lockdown to stimulate the economy. Can’t wait.

    2. unreason already went back to fluff pieces like they did under Obama.

    3. Yes, they probably will criticize Biden. A lot. Like they criticized President Obama. A lot.

      1. Which is why they, like you, are sophomoric. They simply want to yell no without ever having to offer up an actionable plan or idea given the complexities of society.

        1. Yeah, I’ve noticed how you come here every day and post constructive ideas about how to make society and government better.

          Oh, wait, you don’t. You just cheer for Team Trump and call people “dummy” if they contradict you.

  23. The Department of Homeland Security said yesterday that the 2020 election was “the most secure in American history….There is no evidence that any voting system deleted or lost votes, changed votes, or was in any way compromised.”

    It was the yugest, most spectacular, and, quite frankly, the greatest election in history, many people have said so. I mean, many, many people, people like you wouldn’t believe, everybody has said so, in fact, nobody has ever seen so many people saying so.

      1. three people familiar with the situation told POLITICO

        Amazing the level of scrutiny you have for “facts” you agree with.

  24. Under Pressure, Trump Lawyers Quit in Pennsylvania

    I wonder why Lefties would threaten law firms helping the Trump campaign?

    Just toss out all mail-in ballots around the USA and send this election to the House per 12th Amendment.

    1. Do you think they were intentionally sabotaging their case with the erroneous filings?

      1. Did a Big Law Attorney Act Unethically to Sabotage Trump’s Travel ‘Ban’?

        Wouldn’t be the first time. RESIST!

        If Trump cannot even get a fair hearing because even the only available lawyers are secretly sabotaging his case, just throw out these states and lets proceed to the 12th Amendment remedy.

    2. sorry, no judge is going to throw out millions of mailed-in ballots from voters who voted in good faith, simply because state election officials broke or bent a few rules.

      the only way to contest the election successfully is to show proof that truckloads of ballots were harvested before they arrived at the counting centers.

      1. Banana republic is ok, because feelz!

  25. We’ll see what happens to TikTok. Instead of beating up on Trump again, the real social media story of the last few days has been Parler.

    “As of Tuesday, Parler remained the top free app in Apple’s and Google’s app stores. On Nov. 9, Parler racked up roughly 880,000 installs in the US from the Apple App Store and Google Play, the most downloads the app has seen in a single day, according to estimates from Sensor Tower, which analyzes mobile app data. From Nov. 3 to Nov. 9, Parler has been downloaded more than 2 million times in the US.”

    —-CNET, November 10, 2020

    https://www.cnet.com/news/parler-downloads-soar-as-conservatives-flock-to-the-twitter-clone-after-biden-win/

    Twitter’s stock took a big hit at the beginning of November because it only added 1 million users over the three months in the third quarter. I guess treating your users like shit, refusing to link to important stories in the run-up to the election, etc. isn’t good for subscriber growth. Who knew?! They should have killed it during an election cycle.

    Patriotic people who are prone to vote for Trump is probably a vastly underserved market by social media, and it sure looks that way if more people are downloading the Parler app than any of the other social media platforms.

    We don’t need no “education”
    We don’t need no thought control.

    1. Said once before, Jack Dorsey is like Billy Martin benching Reggie Jackson; it isn’t going to work out for him.

    2. Incidentally, Parler’s recent success is an excellent reason why the Republicans in the senate ought to oppose repealing Section 230.

      The primary objective in an antitrust suit is almost always a consent decree, and the Biden Justice Department will use that consent decree to 1) protect every social media platform that signs onto it from liability under certain conditions and 2) the conditions under which they’ll be protected from liability is if they censor “conspiracy theories” and “hate speech”.

      By “conspiracy theories”, they mean accusing Biden of being a crook, and by “hate speech”, they mean opposing affirmative action, supporting a wall on our southern border, opposing gay marriage, or opposing something as misogynistic as abortion. Because almost every Republican supports at least one of these positions, the effect is that they’re trying to purge the public square of Republican voices.

      The next step in the process to accomplish that is repeal Section 230. That way, every other social media platform will be forced to sign onto the consent decree in order to be protected from liability for statements made by their users. That is the goal or Facebook. That is the goal of Twitter. That is the goal of Google’s YouTube unit. That is the goal of every progressive, established social media giant.

      Repealing Section 230 is the key to a progressive takeover of the moderation rules for every social media platform. It worked the same way in the tobacco consent decree. There were only a handful of the largest tobacco companies that were subject to the consent decree originally, but every single other tobacco company in the United States (41 of them, I believe) were eventually forced to sign onto the consent decree (and sign away their First Amendment right to advertise) because they couldn’t survive the lawsuits and the liability without being on the consent decree.

      The Republicans should absolutely resist repealing Section 230. It’s a cookbook!

      1. I’m glad people are finally figuring this out

      2. Repealing Section 230 is the key to a progressive takeover of the moderation rules for every social media platform.

        That would be weird considering that Section 230 doesn’t protect these platforms from the government and/or only does so provided that they’re moderating in whatever Congress considers to be good faith.

        There were only a handful of the largest tobacco companies that were subject to the consent decree originally, but every single other tobacco company in the United States (41 of them, I believe) were eventually forced to sign onto the consent decree (and sign away their First Amendment right to advertise) because they couldn’t survive the lawsuits and the liability without being on the consent decree.

        So what you’re saying is, the government offered a legal protection shielding media platforms, I mean tobacco companies, from liability and the smaller companies were forced to submit/comply or die?

        1. “That would be weird considering that Section 230 doesn’t protect these platforms from the government and/or only does so provided that they’re moderating in whatever Congress considers to be good faith.”

          It doesn’t matter whether the lawsuits in question are by private parties or the government. In the case of tobacco, it wasn’t only private parties that were suing the tobacco companies. The attorneys general who were also suing for the costs.

          In the case of Section 230, it will be private individuals suing after Section 230 is repealed. It doesn’t really matter. The question is whether they’ll do whatever they can to become free from liability for what their users write on their platforms–and the answer is absolutely. If the only way to escape liability is to sign onto a consent decree, which compels them to censor “conspiracy theories” and “hate speech”, then that’s what they’ll do.

          “So what you’re saying is, the government offered a legal protection shielding media platforms, I mean tobacco companies, from liability and the smaller companies were forced to submit/comply or die?”

          Yes!

          “In addition to these “originally settling parties” (OSPs), the Master Settlement Agreement permits other tobacco companies to join the settlement . . . . Since 1998, approximately 41 additional tobacco companies have joined the Master Settlement Agreement. These companies . . . are bound by the Master Settlement Agreement’s restrictions and must make payments to the settling states as set forth in the Master Settlement Agreement.”

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tobacco_Master_Settlement_Agreement#Adoption_of_the_%22Master_Settlement_Agreement%22

          1. Incidentally, Biden wants to do the same thing with gun manufacturers.

            “In 2005, then-Senator Biden voted against the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act, but gun manufacturers successfully lobbied Congress to secure its passage. This law protects these manufacturers from being held civilly liable for their products – a protection granted to no other industry. Biden will prioritize repealing this protection.”

            —-Joe Biden

            https://joebiden.com/gunsafety/#

            He wants to remove a law that shields the gun manufacturers from liability for shooting that happen with their guns.

            Then, they’ll come begging for a consent decree like the one the tobacco industry was given, and the consent decree with have stipulations like that they don’t make any guns or magazines that carry more than 10 rounds of ammunition.

            Consent decree!

            That’s how you get around the First Amendment in the case of tobacco and social media. That’s how you get around the Second Amendment, too.

            1. P.S. Al Gore was behind the consent decree on tobacco, and he tried to do the same thing to oil companies, recently, too, claiming that they were lying to their investors and the world about the dangers of climate change like the tobacco companies were lying about the dangers of smoking. You put the oil companies on the hook for the damage caused by climate change (Katrina?), and they’ll sign on to pretty much anything you want.

          2. “So what you’re saying is, the government offered a legal protection shielding media platforms, I mean tobacco companies, from liability and the smaller companies were forced to submit/comply or die?”

            Yes!

            OK then. Is section 230 a protection from liability or no? If no, what does it do that the 1A doesn’t (and why have it)?

            You’ve effectively laid out that section 230 is/was a pre-emptive master settlement agreement.

            1. The purpose of almost every antitrust case is to get a consent decree.

              Because a consent decree is entered into willingly, it is not considered unconstitutional with respect to the First Amendment.

              If Congress passed a law requiring social media companies to censor “conspiracy theories” and “hate speech”, that would violate the First Amendment. A consent decree doesn’t violate the First Amendment because they’re entered into more or less willingly.

              So, for instance, as part of the tobacco consent decree, the tobacco companies was prohibited from advertising their products and they were forced to fund advertising against smoking. The tobacco companies agreed to do that willingly–in exchange for having their liability capped to a certain percentage of their revenue. If it had been done in some other way than a consent decree, prohibiting them from advertising would have violated the First Amendment.

              “Violations of antitrust law are typically resolved through consent decrees”

              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consent_decree#Antitrust_law

              1. The purpose of almost every antitrust case is to get a consent decree.

                Again, you’re making it seem like you’re just fine with a pre-emptive settlement agreement or consent decree as long as it avoids antitrust litigation and, moreover, that consent decrees with/without antitrust litigation are preferrable to civil litigation.

                You continue to ignore the fact that Big Tobacco stood up to some 30 yrs. of civil litigation before the government got involved and effectively set up a consent decree. On top of that, as we’ve seen from Congressional hearings and proposed bills, section 230 is no ward against further legislation or “Congressional litigation”.

                1. “Again, you’re making it seem like you’re just fine with a pre-emptive settlement agreement or consent decree as long as it . . .

                  You don’t seem to be getting that it doesn’t matter whether I like what’s happening and why.

                  This is what is happening and this is why–whether we like it or not.

                  I’m talking about how to preserve companies like Parler and other upstarts to the big social media companies, and Section 230 is now about protecting them from being forced to sign onto a upcoming consent decree–that Facebook, Twitter, and Google want anyway.

                  If Section 230 is repealed, Parler and others will be forced to enter into the consent decree and censor by the same standards Facebook and Google agree to use–whether we like it or not.

                  1. If Section 230 is repealed, Parler and others will be forced to enter into the consent decree and censor by the same standards Facebook and Google agree to use–whether we like it or not.

                    You don’t seem to understand that I’m saying this will happen whether section 230 exists or not (again, big tobacco fended off 30 yrs. of civil litigation without fail *and* without a section 230). The fact that it exists and that people insist that it should is de facto and prima facia evidence that people like yourself think it’s Congress/the Government’s job to preserve the internet.

                    1. Actually, it won’t.

                      The only reason Parler (or any other social media company) would want to sign onto the consent decree is because they needed protection from liability for what third parties write on their platform.

                      With Section 230 in place, there is no need for them to sign on.

                    2. What liability are you actually worried about Ken? They would fall under traditional liability protections. It would be akin to the attempted lawsuits against gun manufacturers where claims of harm are shot down as parler only makes a tool. They’d only be liable for their own actions.

                    3. It would be akin to the attempted lawsuits against gun manufacturers where claims of harm are shot down as parler only makes a tool. They’d only be liable for their own actions.

                      1) When you’re being sued 10,000 times a year, winning 10,000 cases a year isn’t enough. You need to avoid the lawsuits altogether. These companies are selling advertising. Defending yourself in court is not a profitable activity. Lots of companies settle just so they won’t have to waste their time and resources in court. You could go broke winning lawsuits.

                      2) The gun manufacturers have an actual law that protects them from liability for the crimes that are committed with their guns. Joe Biden has promised to repeal it.

                    4. P.S. The gun manufacturers have a law that protects them from liability for the crimes that are committed with their guns–for this reason, I should add.

                      That’s right. There is no good reason why a gun manufacturer should be help liable for shootings that they didn’t perpetrate. Why should they need to prove their lack of responsibility by a preponderance of the evidence when the plaintiff doesn’t even allege that they’re the ones who perpetrated the shooting?

            2. “OK then. Is section 230 a protection from liability or no? If no, what does it do that the 1A doesn’t (and why have it)?”

              They will allow other social media companies to join in the consent decree–even if they aren’t parties to the original antitrust investigation.

              There’s only one reason why other social media companies would want to do that, and that’s because they need protection from answering lawsuits. They don’t need protection from other lawsuits if Section 230 is in place. Once Section 230 is repealed, the only way to get protection from having to answer a lawsuit every time some third party calls Shrike a something awful on their platform is to sign onto the consent decree.

              One of the purposes of Section 230 now is to give other social media companies, like Parler, good reason to not sign onto a consent decree. In fact, in the tobacco settlement, the tobacco companies wouldn’t have signed on if there wasn’t a clause that allowed other tobacco companies into the consent decree. They were concerned that the smaller companies would undercut them on price by not being subject to the decree while the big companies were paying their portion of the funds due because of the consent decree.

              The same thing will happen in social media for the same reasons. Facebook and Google don’t want to be the only social media companies that are censoring this way–and there aren’t any democrats anywhere who are opposed to forcing social media companies everywhere to sign onto a consent decree that requires them to censor “conspiracy theories” and “hate speech”. The way to force them all onto the consent decree is to repeal Section 230, and that is why the Democrats want to repeal Section 230.

              1. Once Section 230 is repealed, the only way to get protection from having to answer a lawsuit every time some third party calls Shrike a something awful on their platform is to sign onto the consent decree.

                You mean the same way every baker has to sign on to a consent decree? Every theater has to sign on to a consent decree? Every event planner has to sign on to a consent decree? Every billboard owner has to sign on to a consent decree? Every owner of a flag pole has to sign on to a consent decree? Every person with a political sign in their yard has to sign on to a consent decree? Every statue maker? Every art gallery? Every storefront with a sign in the window has to sign on to a consent decree?…

                Face it Ken, your argument is full of shit and gets the narrative as backwards as Britchgi’s or Boehm’s assertion that the only reason any of us can earn an income is because we pay taxes. Lawsuits cost money and that’s why nobody sues bakers and grocery stores operating on slim margins (and that sets aside the social stigma of suing your local mom and pop grocery store into bankruptcy). If there is an army of trolls waiting to sue the shit out of every business that even tries to run a website (or a bakery, or a theater, or a billboard, or a yard), we have a system established for dealing with the issue and it (used to) prevents Congress from doing so preemptively if not entirely.

                1. This is ridiculous.

                  1. No, he is right. You first have to verify which liability they are being protected from then declare how they would legally be in violation. Then you have to see why other industries without 230 protections are not buying liability protections against that peculiarized harm. 230 claims are just as silly as the net neutrality claims of a few years ago.

                    1. The liability in question is being sued for defamation for things on your platform that you didn’t write, and the reason other companies aren’t subject to that problem is because their content isn’t created by third parties. When the New York Times writes an article, there is an editor that controls the content. In social media, there isn’t.

                      Other industries do seek and have sought these protections–I’ve already given the gun industry and the tobacco industry as examples. Using tobacco as directed will probably give you a lung disease, but they don’t need to worry about that anymore because they signed onto a consent decree.

                      Gun manufacturers aren’t supposed to be liable for the mass shootings perpetrated with their guns–and that’s very much like social media, where the rights violation is perpetrated by third parties using their products rather than the gun manufacturer themselves.

                      And that’s just two off the top of my head.

                      Meanwhile, the whole purpose of the antitrust case is to seek a consent decree–and neither congressional Democrats nor Biden have been unclear about what they want social media to do. They want social media to ban what they call “hate speech” and what they call “conspiracy theories”. There’s no mystery about any of this. Just a bunch of people who hate social media so much that they’re playing straight into their hands.

                      We’re likely to end up in a situation where the things Republicans talk about will banned from social media for generations–and the key to making that happen will be repealing Section 230. Social media companies–of all sizes–will find themselves subject to a massive amount of lawsuits (for things they didn’t write) without Section 230–and the only relief will be consent decree where they’re forced to agree to censor conspiracy theories and hate speech in return for immunity.

                      And it will last as long as the tobacco settlement, the consent decree that broke up the studio system, and others.

                  2. I agree. It was ridiculous in 1996 when Congress passed it and attempting to retcon the last shred of it out of ridiculousness isn’t, and shouldn’t, work.

    3. As of Tuesday, Parler remained the top free app in Apple’s and Google’s app stores.

      How long will before Apple and Google find some excuse to remove the Parler app?

      1. As soon as someone within 6 degrees of David Duke endorses it.

      2. How long will before Apple and Google find some excuse to remove the Parler app?

        This is something that a lot of libertarians need to be prepared to engage–it’s all well and good to say “just start your own __________,” but when billion-dollar megacorps collude to squeeze out anything that might break their monopoly, with the open consent of the government to do so, that phrase is about as substantive as an autumn breeze.

        The Tech Trust at this point–and I’m not just talking about the Big 3 of Facebook/Google/Twitter, this includes platforms like GoFundMe and Paypal who actively lock out the left-wing target du jour–is arguably even more powerful than those that operated during the last half of the 19th century. Just replace all of the industrial and commodity figures in that “Bosses of the Senate” cartoon with tech and banking CEOs, and you have a pretty accurate depiction of the current American economy.

        1. Reddit, GoFundMe, Patreon, Paypal, Eventbrite, etc. etc.

        2. Those platforms are creating the seeds of their own destruction by treating half of their potential users like shit.

          I remember when it wasn’t possible to stand up against the three broadcast networks. They were too big and too entrenched. Then cable came along. The Republicans passed a bill in congress to require cable companies to carry local broadcasters because there was no way to compete with a monopoly like a cable company if the cable company decided not to carry a local broadcaster. Now streaming has come along and is absolutely destroying cable.

          I appreciate that collusion and rent-seeking, etc. are a problem. I hope you appreciate that using the government to try to fix that problem always creates more problems and more leverage for further rent seeking.

          One of the biggest problems with broadcast stations now is that because the Republicans forced that bill through that required the cable companies to carry local broadcasters, the major networks bought the local stations from their owners and starting reducing their broadcast signals to force customers to pay for broadcast stations through their cable company (that they would be getting for free with an antenna otherwise). That law was an attempt to force a solution on a virtual monopoly that ended up being jkust another angle for rent seeking.

          However, with their rent seeking, they created the seeds of their own destruction. One of the primary reasons why cable is so expensive is because the cable companies are forced by law to pay local broadcasters a premium to carry their signals whether they want those channels or not. When you subscribe to the streaming services of Sling ($30 a month), Philo ($20 a month), or T-Mobile’s Tvision Vibe ($10 a month), you get the cable channels you want without the broadcast stations and just plug an antenna into your Wifi router to get broadcast stations for free.

          In other words, the reason the local broadcasters can’t compete now is in large part because of their rent seeking. They priced themselves out of the market when streaming came along, and they thought they could get away with it because for a while, there, cable really was a local monopoly. It was cable’s monopoly status that supposedly justified the law that made that rent seeking possible.

          And it almost always happens this way!

          It’s the same thing with social media. If some 48% of the voters going for Trump means that some 48% of Americans are being treated like shit by the social media companies, then it’s only a matter of time until someone comes along and figures out how to appeal to them. In the Soviet Union, they did all kinds of things in order to ensure that the giant industries favored by the government couldn’t be beaten by the competition–and in doing that, they created the seeds of those industries’ destruction, to the point that none of those industries are competitive on a global scale anymore.

          Over time, Facebook and Twitter will probably become like CBS. They’re one player among a whole bunch of others.

          TikTok was kicking YouTube’s ass, right?

          The markets change as technology and consumers change, and those changes bring new opportunities for new players.

          I remember when Microsoft was the most dominant name in tech. How could you get around their monopoly on the PC? Well, people did! Phones became more important. New features dried up. Chromebooks showed up. Now we have cloud gaming. There isn’t anything about Facebook, Twitter, or Google that makes them immune to the same thing.

          1. +1000000000000

          2. Thats like saying that having motorcycles/tricycle/trucks available prevents a company from having a monopoly on cars. Yes, MS’s monopoly of means of connection to the internet was broken, but not their monopoly of the PC market.

            What was MS guilty of? Only adding IE to the their computers?? Android and Apple both currently do the same thing (only add their browser and app store to their phones). Anti monopoly law is a crock of shit free market wise.
            I do appreciate why it exists, cause I fucking hate google and apple and dont like that Im forced to do business with them (and dont want to wait for some currently undreamed of product to offer a completely different ballpark to play in). I find the constitutionality of government interference in business suspect.

        3. You left out Amazon. Facebook/Google/Twitter encompasses a lot of tech space, when you add in Patreon and Paypal, you expand into banking, but when you add in Amazon, you add in the media assets they control, the shipping and logistics assets, the cloud assets… It really does become more obviously less of a competitive market and more of a “company town, company store” situation (except the company town is an entire country if not more). And I say that as someone who thinks that companies should be able to set up company stores and pay truck wages.

        4. How do you stop a trillion dollar company from buying off its competitors with terms that the competitors are happy to accept?
          How many people’s principles outweigh multi generational wealth and power that comes with it? Do you think people would care what Notch said if he was still multi millionaire indy developer?

          1. I can see an antitrust argument against allowing Facebook, for instance, to buy Instagram, but that isn’t what the left is after here.

            They want to relegate the right to word of mouth in perpetuity.

    4. Let’s hope the market is allowed to provide a better alternative, as it always does, without the government blundering in and screwing everything up.

      1. Another social media outlet that may be taking Facebook and Twitter users away are the watch party features on Hulu, Netflix, etc.

        You watch the same show or movie with your friends and family at the same time, and they text and chat about it during the show.

        Anything that takes away from people’s desire to be on Facebook, Twitter, and YouTube is competition for Facebook, Twitter, and YouTube.

        1. It isn’t just the number of users on these platforms, in other words. It’s also how many hours people spend on them a day.

          If they’re spending less time on Facebook because they’re watching such and such a show with their daughter who’s in college, then Facebook’s getting less of an audience and less advertising revenue.

    5. How is Brave and Duckduckgo doing? I see people suggesting MeWe but it is not as free as if once was.

      1. If you haven’t already, try using “Startpage” for search.

        Brave now has 20 million active monthly users.

        https://brave.com/20m-mau/

        1. It’s funny that my antivirus keeps flagging Startpage as a “unreliable” search engine, whatever that means.

          1. It may be because they don’t filter results for international pharmacies.

            People can still buy medications from India for less than they cost when you’re on Medicare.

            1. People can still buy medications from India for less than they cost when you’re on Medicare.

              You can buy medications from India for less than walking down the street when you’re on Medicare.

          2. I switched from Startpage to DuckDuckGo – Startpage is just a VPN for Google so you get the same results as you would if you queried Google directly. No question Google suppresses results they don’t like, I’ve seen it myself. So if you’re using Startpage, you’re getting suppressed results, just anonymously.

            1. You get good results, though, and even though you’re using Google’s service, they’re not getting any of your info.

        2. On brave now. duckduckgo isnt fab, but also my search engine of choice.

  26. “I think that it’s a matter of genuine concern that TikTok, a Chinese operation, has access to over 100 million young people particularly in the United States of America,” Biden said during a campaign stop in September.

    “Those young stooges belong to me!”, he continued.

    1. Biden to launch new app called “Sniff Sniff”.

      1. Too unhip. ‘Snyffr’ or ‘Snyfsnyf’ and then rebrand as ‘Snyf2’ once you get popular enough to hire a woke CEO.

        1. But it needs to be a combination of groping and sniffing – I’d suggest “Gross”.

  27. I can’t help but wonder if any of the recently announced lockdowns are connected to the election fraud investigation, especially Chicago. That way they can anticipate possible rioting without admitting that Biden might not be president. I know, I know…*adjusts tinfoil hat*

    1. Kungflu was used to keep ballot count observers from getting “too close”. Numerous observers were removed from counting rooms when state employees complained.

      The largest democrat election fraud scheme would not have been possible without Wuhanvirus hysteria. Its why Democrats were so insistent on keeping as much of the USA locked down into election day.

      If Americans let this happen, we are done as a country. It will be some “emergency” next election too until Communists completely run all the important facets of government.

      1. Considering that weekend warrior militia wannabes are now free to storm state capitals carrying rifles because they want to get a haircut, or try to kidnap governors with the tacit support of the administration, I can imagine poll workers aren’t super psyched to heave some of the more “enthusiastic” Trump supporters in their face while they count votes. Not every “sovereign citizen” can inspect every ballot.

        1. That isn’t even close to what happened. They banned or threw out official, accredited poll watchers or blocked them from viewing the count process. The media didn’t report on it but the courts did step in and force Pennsylvania to reverse their policies.

          1. Thank God for cell phones because much of this was caught on video.

        2. Considering that weekend warrior militia wannabes are now free to storm state capitals carrying rifles because they want to get a haircut

          “Barbers don’t deserve to make a living, just sit on your couch and consooooooooooome while our MMT economic system gives you UBI.”

          1. I love when the lefties let the mask slip and reveal how much contempt they have for actual working people. And that they don’t give a fuck about wearing masks correctly, they just want to prove they can force you to do shit.

            1. What does anything I said have to do with “contempt for the working people?” I am a “working people” and my comment had no basis in socio-economic statuses….

              1. How do you think barbers make a living, you moron?

        3. The left is cancer, and leftists must be dealt with as such

          1. Not sure what I’ve said that is “leftist” but you never do miss a chance to make yet another threat of violence…

            Nardz is on here literally every day making a grab bag of violent threats but it’s totes fine…

            1. Thats not a threat, it’s an assertion.

        4. I can imagine poll workers aren’t super psyched to heave some of the more “enthusiastic” Trump supporters in their face while they count votes. Not every “sovereign citizen” can inspect every ballot.

          I thought every last pollworker, from registry, to counters, to inspectors and observers was fortified with the utmost of integrity and beyond reproach? It seem that you’re suggesting that some poll workers are more beyond reproach than others.

      2. I would like to give a personal, special “fuck you” to LC1789.

        My wife’s uncle and aunt are both in the hospital right now, today, with very serious cases of coronavirus. There is a high percentage chance that one or both may die. Even more certain is that one or both will, even if they survive, suffer long lasting effects.

        My uncle had it and was very sick but thankfully recovered. A friend of mine had to go in for a scan of his brain due to a (thankfully) benign) tumor and has now contracted COVID.

        I hate the fact that my kid has to have school online. I hate not being able to hug my parents. I hate not being to hang out with my friends. But I also hate the idea of killing one of them by being fucking selfish.

        None of this is fake, nor is it funny. Real people that matter to me are going to possibly die from this shit. Every time you type some shit about “KungFlu” or “WuVirus” or some other name that you think reinforces your belief that it’s all fake, it makes my blood boil. I stop short of wishing it on you to prove it, but you get me close with your constant need to troll people over a very real problem.

        Then you pile on with daily calls for Civil War. Because you are just so big and tough and patriotic (in your own mind).

        You also seem to have forgotten that your sacred private property rights are exactly what allows someone to require a mask in their store. But you discard that because in your view it’s your “Constitutional right” to violate private property rights because of your feelings. Kinda like how you confuse the First Amendment with a prohibition on how privately-held companies choose to run their platforms online.

        1. Fuck you for trying to force everybody else to suffer for your feelz.
          I wish your wife’s family the best, but take care of yourself.

        2. How did LC cause covid? Seems like you are lashing out due to emotions. If they were dying of cancer would you be lashing out at any producer of something? Unfortunate things happen to people. People will die.

        3. But I also hate the idea of killing one of them by being fucking selfish.

          Blame biology for that, not anyone else. You have no fucking idea how they caught it, who they caught it from, nor where they caught. You’re just randomly lashing out because you actually think a bunch of fucking bureaucrats can keep you safe from a billion-and-a-half year old organism through the power of dictats and pieces of cloth.

    2. Rioters are not affected by the ‘rona. It is known.

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  29. The Department of Homeland Security said yesterday that the 2020 election was “the most secure in American history….There is no evidence that any voting system deleted or lost votes, changed votes, or was in any way compromised.”

    Now, what was that success rate for TSA agents finding planted weapons and contraband?

    1. Except it’s not even from the DHS, it’s from Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency members. CISA is a standalone, although the DHS can have some oversight.

      Since ENB can’t provide links not on twitter: https://www.cisa.gov/news/2020/11/12/joint-statement-elections-infrastructure-government-coordinating-council-election

      Specifically: National Association of Secretaries of State (NASS) President Maggie Toulouse Oliver, National Association of State Election Directors (NASED) President Lori Augino, and Escambia County (Florida) Supervisor of Elections David Stafford – and the members of the Election Infrastructure Sector Coordinating Council (SCC) – Chair Brian Hancock (Unisyn Voting Solutions), Vice Chair Sam Derheimer (Hart InterCivic), Chris Wlaschin (Election Systems & Software), Ericka Haas (Electronic Registration Information Center), and Maria Bianchi (Democracy Works)

      They say that the election was election was “the most secure in American history” because “right now, across the country, election officials are reviewing and double checking the entire election process prior to finalizing the result”.

      So in actuality they’re saying that the election was the most secure in history because they’re in the process of verifying their assertion right now.

      What a pack of weasels. I hope that the DOJ takes a hard look at them after the smoke clears.

      1. So in actuality they’re saying that the election was the most secure in history because they’re in the process of verifying their assertion right now.

        “Don’t look any deeper than the headline, citizen, you’re in the best of hands.”

        Since when did libertarians start taking everything the government told them at face value?

      2. The fact that Democrat sympathizers are circling the wagons to protect clear evidence of election fraud, shows that they are nervous that Trump is on track to defeat them.

        All this depended on Roberts being the swing vote and Trump conceding.

        Bad news for Democrats.

  30. “The Department of Homeland Security said yesterday that the 2020 election was “the most secure in American history”

    The foxes have assured us that there’s no problem in the the henhouse.

    1. For some reason all the liar bureaucrats, media, and Democrats must now be believed even though Nov 2, 2020 they were lying daily.

      They are still lying.

      They hoped Trump would concede.

      1. Yeah, the media who just spent 4 years peddling the Russia hoax, doxxing random meme makers, harassing grandmothers, defaming Catholic teenagers, lying about Kavanaugh, and claiming a dead Iranian terrorist meant Armageddon, didn’t magically start telling us the truth last week.

        1. +10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000

    2. Reminiscent of the Navy’s investigation of Tailhook.

  31. TikTok Will Outlast Trump

    “Save us practically president-elect Biden!”

  32. Yes we all know you get your news and entertainment from Twitter and TikTok, Lizzie.

  33. Serious question:

    How many voters split their ballots? There must have been a lot, right? GOP gains 10 in the house as of last update, likely holds the Senate, but didn’t vote for Trump?

    I’m not expecting Trump to win the popular vote, but it seems odd for voters to vote for Biden, but down ballot they go GOP. I know there’s more nuance to the situation, but it certainly seems like an odd situation.

    Then again, 2020 has been an odd year.

    1. Because there was fraud. Occam’s Razor.

    2. Sidney Powell said they had found something like 450,000 ballots that only had votes for Biden and no one else down the ballot. Pretty fishy.

      1. THERE WAS NO FRAUD.

        OK MAYBE THERE WAS SOME. BUT NOT ENOUGH TO SWING THE VOTE!

        What’s next in this tale?

        Whoops? Thatsa lotta ballits! /Everyone in the room stares at Creepy Sleepy Joe sleeping at the podium.

        Everyone’s a towel.

        1. Next?
          “OK, yes there was fraud and yes it swung the election, but Biden has already been announced the winner so you can’t do anything about it now, peon.”

          1. “What difference, at this point, does it make?”

            1. CE makes that argument above, and he’s not even a leftist.
              The submissiveness of Americans is fucking sad… and dangerous.

        2. “OK MAYBE THERE WAS SOME. BUT NOT ENOUGH TO SWING THE VOTE!”

          Up next: OK, maybe there was a lot but white supremacists are behind it!!! And you need to give us power so we can stop them!!! Also don’t ask why they changed the votes for us, you racist!

      2. In some locations the single vote ballots went from 1-2% up to 18% of ballots.

    3. It’s how you can tell cheating was involved.

    4. I know you won’t believe me but I know several people who did that. It’s really not that complicated. They’re sick of Trump, if nothing else because of the daily chaos, and they want (R) control of the senate. The fact that so many people cannot wrap their heads around split ticket voting is scary. Y’all are supposedly “independent thinkers” but cannot fathom someone not just voting straight R or straight D?

      1. I believe you, and I can wrap my head around it.

        “Several” doesn’t tell me much.

        (R) might have lost two senate seats by the time this is done, so I don’t know how many really wanted (R) control of the senate. Did any of the several people you know also vote for (R) reps?

        It seems like there was enough enthusiasm for (R)s to gain house seats by far more than the “polls” predicted, but there wasn’t enough enthusiasm to carry over to vote for the “architect” of this populist wave?

        I’m not saying it’s impossible, but it seems highly improbable to me. It’s not because I’m not an independent thinker, but because of the trends I’ve been told about.

      2. What is it with proglydytes adopting southern patois in their poasting millieu? Affecting a hillbilly accent doesn’t make your pretentions any more authentic.

      3. Trump is more popular than 2016. I told everyone on here that.

        He got 62,985,106 votes in 2016 and at least 72,632,508 votes in 2020. Even with the millions of fraudulent ballots skewing total votes, trump did better than in 2016.

        1. Did he do better percentage wise, or just in terms of raw votes? Hint: When the overall number of votes in total is larger than ever before, both sides “do better” compared to their previous raw vote totals. This does not necessarily correlate to “doing better” in terms of relative percentage.

      4. No offense, but we are talking about people who work for a living. Not your friends in HR or marketing.

        We are supposed to believe that hundreds of thousands of people in PA who may not be college educated but know that socialism would destroy a key industry in their state were solely motivated to vote by their hurt feelings about Trump tweets

      5. There’s an easy check for that – if a lot of people were voting split-ticket, Biden on top and GOP down ballot, then there should be a lot more down-ballot votes for the GOP than votes for Trump. There’s not.

        Look at it this way, you’ve got a thousand voters. 400 of them vote straight GOP, 400 vote straight Democrat, 200 vote Biden/GOP. This would explain how both Biden and the GOP won, but it would mean the GOP candidate got 600 votes while Trump only got 400 votes. That didn’t happen, Trump got pretty much the same number of votes as the down-ballot GOP candidates. There just weren’t that many split-ticket voters.

        The question is: If Biden got so many more votes than Trump, why didn’t the down-ballot Democratic candidates win as well? Because there were a shitload of ballots that had only a Biden vote on them and no down-ballot votes at all. Which might seem a little suspicious – why would so many people go to all the trouble of voting for Biden without taking the few extra seconds to make sure he had a Democratic House and Senate as well? Something smells a little fishy there.

        1. Now explain why MA consistently has (R) governors, like pretty much every time, whereas the majority of its state and federal legislators are (D).

          1. And saying “Charlie Baker is not a ‘real’ Republican” is not an answer. He is on the ballot as (R). Just like Weld and many more before him.

        2. Also, I didn’t make any claim about huge numbers of people voting split ticket…I guess I’m just trying to rebut this idea that because split ticket votes exist, that somehow proves a conspircay, which unless someone can explain with more detail, seems to be the general argument presented by many here…basically “it is IMPOSSIBLE for anyone to vote Biden but also vote (R) senators so therefore election is fraudulent”

          1. You answered him 3 times without actually answer him. WK is impressed.

            1. And he answered me zero times, and you still haven’t learned that burden of proof rests with claimants.

    5. That doesn’t really prove anything. Every single state participated in the Presidential election but only something like thirty states had an election for Senator.

      1. I understand that, and that’s why I said I’m sure there’s more nuance to this. But there were also House elections where (R)s picked up many more seats than had been expected. The expectation was that (D)s were going to expand their lead in the House. So we have the (R) Senate holding majority, (R)s in the House gaining seats, but none of that enthusiasm breaks to the Presidential election?

        I don’t give a fuck who is President. I didn’t vote for either, but something just seems off. That’s why I’m posing this as a serious question.

        1. There is, but trust Big Brother because orangemanbad

        2. “Our party is heading in a more populist direction, and we’re going to vote for populists for Congress, but not a populist Presidential candidate” doesn’t really make a whole lot of sense.

          1. You don’t think there could be a lot of people who are still generally Republicans and want Republicans in charge overall but maybe never liked Trump and still don’t?

            1. People who realize that (and I guess you would call them RINOs cause now apparently anyone that questions Trump on anything is a “RINO”) maybe in the long run tying the fortunes of your party to someone so incendiary might not play out well? You can’t accept that as a possibility?

            2. At that level of turnout, no.

        3. Every single house seat was up for election, and it’s looking like Democrats will pick up a slim majority of them (unless those were also tainted by fraud). It doesn’t really show a rash of split tickets.

    6. There’s another aspect to this aside from the election fraud as well. Taken in good faith we have a mountain of votes where people were too uninformed or apathetic (or whatever) to vote for their local Congressperson but, somehow, mustered up the intelligence to vote Biden (cue Remy standing outside a tent, wiping doritoes on his shirt, and saying “That’s how you run a global economy!”). The relatively smaller or even same-sized mountian of black/latino/whatever voters who were informed and motivated enough to vote for both Trump *and* their local Congressperson isn’t going to take too kindly to that. Especially if if these votes are perceived as belonging to the whiter, more affluent, Eric Boehms out there. And that issue is more critical to an informed and representative democracy than the electoral college.

      The fact that we can’t guarantee that the people who voted “Biden and nothing else” even have driver’s licenses or are here legally doesn’t help.

    7. Conservative and independent voters voting for Republicans for Congress and against Trump is not unexpected at all. He is unpresidential in demeanor and has been accused of bungling the COVID-19 response pretty much every day in the media since March.

      Split ballots are not a sign of shenanigans.
      Record turnout in WI, and mathematically improbably pro-Biden mail in ballots in PA and MI are the biggest signs of shenanigans, but hard to prove as fraudulent at this point.

    8. I don’t know if it’s that odd. There are a lot of people who aren’t Democrats, but dislike Trump (whether for good reasons or silly ones) and want him gone. There are probably enough “Rockafeller Republican” types to account for a lot of it. My state voted for Biden, but at the state level, Republicans did very well.
      The ballots with only votes for president are a bit weirder. Probably some ballot harvesting stuff going on. But there are also a lot of people who don’t pay much attention and think the president is what matters and probably don’t know anything about the candidates down ballot.

      1. This is essentially my hypothesis in a nutshell. I do pay attention to local races but even I didn’t know who some of the locals on my ballot were. And FWIW I have voted split tickets before personally.

  34. “• The Department of Homeland Security said yesterday that the 2020 election was “the most secure in American history….There is no evidence that any voting system deleted or lost votes, changed votes, or was in any way compromised.””

    The government said the government didn’t make any mistakes. Case closed, I guess. Talk about a blanket statement! None? Zero? Zip?!?!?!?!

    1. The glitch that changed 6,000 votes didn’t count, I guess.

    2. Government actions are the examples of perfection.

    3. Except it wasn’t even the Department of Homeland Security. It was from Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency members. CISA is a standalone, although the DHS can have some oversight.

      And their actual statement boiled down to “the election was the most secure in history because we’re in the process of verifying our assertion right now.”

      Read it and weep for democracy:
      https://www.cisa.gov/news/2020/11/12/joint-statement-elections-infrastructure-government-coordinating-council-election

      That’s how you fraud an election. With mealy-mouthed almost insinuations rife with easily misinterpreted sound bites.

      1. the statement boils down to “once the ballots were harvested and arrived, we counted them accurately”.

        1. Maybe I was wrong about you not being a leftist, because a lot of your arguments boil down to “Big Brother is competent and trustworthy”, which i would think odd for a libertarian

  35. 2020 will be the year when two frauds were perpetuated on citizens of a nation and the world:

    The coronavirus and it’s 99.85% survival rate pandemic – and now casedemic.

    And the 2020 U.S. Federal elections.

    I’m willing to put that out there. If I’m wrong, I’m wrong. Tsk, tsk.

    1. +1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000

  36. https://twitter.com/mtracey/status/1327266674278535169

    I didn’t have to painstakingly Lexis Nexis the RFK Jr. article. I remember reading it as a teenager. Theories about Diebold machines and Ohio being rigged were ubiquitous at the time online. (Note: This guy has me blocked but nonetheless feels the need to screenshot my tweets)

    It wasn’t just RFK Jr. A group of 31 House Dems mounted an effort to not certify Ohio’s electors on the grounds of what they alleged were “significant unexplained irregularities,” including “an unknown number of Kerry votes” being shifted to Bush and “improbable voter turnout”

    1. https://twitter.com/mtracey/status/1327244719693422593

      Rolling Stone once published a long article by Robert F. Kennedy Jr. asserting that “irregularities” and “anomalies” — as well as “widespread fraud” — amounted to “a massive, coordinated campaign” to steal Ohio for Bush in 2004. There are some recurring themes in US politics

      1. Olbermann had a long-running feature on this topic for on his MSNBC web page. I thought it was satire when I first heard about and read it. This was as common as the post-Trump “RUSSIA!!!!!” hysteria.

    2. The irony is that there is a legitimate argument to be made that software voting programs are functionally useless because their security protocols are practically non-existent and prone to hacking. At least with a bubble voting form, those can be verified against existing voter rolls, although I’d go a step further and have them put a time stamp on each one as it’s processed.

  37. https://twitter.com/mtracey/status/1327054244663468032

    You’d think the degree to which Trump has been ignored, blocked, and/or undermined by his own subordinates would prompt a re-evaluation of the “all-powerful fascist” theory of his presidency, but don’t count on it

    Trump’s envoy to Syria admits lying up the chain of command about how many US troops actually were in Syria, and of successfully overriding Trump’s orders. “What Syria withdrawal? There was never a Syria withdrawal,” he brags

    1. If anyone deserves to be lined up against a wall and shot, it’s Jim Jeffrey.

      Best comment in the replies:

      “Haha please bro the deep state isn’t real bro do you have a source haha don’t be paranoid just let us do a little kinetic action haha think of the defense contractors who will lose their jobs if we cut our engagements haha.”

    2. And Trump the evil genius is apparently too stupid to realize that his underlings this whole time were lying to him and refusing to do what he told them to do. Isn’t that called insubordination? I think in the military you can get into some sort of trouble for refusing to follow the lawful orders of a superior officer, I think it’s a $25 fine or something.

  38. Why do COVID death rates seem to be falling?
    https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-03132-4

    But, in retrospect, clinicians might have been overzealous at times. Schultz recalls asking patients to get off of their mobile phones so he could put them on a ventilator, but a candidate for a ventilator normally wouldn’t be well enough to hold a telephone conversation. As physicians became more comfortable treating people with COVID-19, many realized that early ventilation was not necessary, says Fan.

    1. Didn’t they get paid for putting people on ventilators? Is it utterly ridiculous to posit that medical professionals are still motivated by financial rewards?

      1. They will never not be motivated by financial rewards. Doctors, especially really good doctors (and each and every radiologist, regardless of quality), are some of the most enterprising people you’ll ever meet.

        The next big thing in reimbursement is value-based medicine, which is supposed to cure the fee-for-service shenanigans. I pointed out to a colleague big on pop. health that the incentive structure is going to cause a massive QOL hit for the sickest portion of the population and got looked at like I have 5 heads.

  39. Spreading anti-vaxx myths ‘should be made a criminal offence’
    Royal Society and British Academy say public should be ‘inoculated’ against misinformation amid fears over Covid jab take-up

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/11/10/spreading-anti-vaxx-myths-should-made-criminal-offence/

    1. “Time to do as you are told”.

    2. Wait, I’m confused. We can trust the vaccine now, or we still can’t?

      1. The Brits don’t have to wait until Trump leaves office for the vaccine to be distributed.

        1. Newsom said Californians would have to wait for any vaccine to be independently verified before they could take it. He’s rather more Californians die on his watch than to let them make their own choices, just like he’d rather let them go broke than to decide on their own what level of risk to take.

  40. https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1326387797347930114.html

    The Biden-Harris Transition Team released names of people who are on their “agency review teams,” which will prepare Biden and his Cabinet for their administration.

    Let’s examine some of the individuals who are notable because of their backgrounds. #BidenTransition

    …Olsen has contended what NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden revealed had little to do with privacy and civil liberties, a talking point former officials have repeated to discredit him. He also insists terrorists changed their behavior to avoid detection.

    Greg Vogle is a partner for the McChrystal Group, which was founded by Stanley McChrystal, former commander of Joint Special Operations Command (JSOC). He was the CIA head of station in Afghanistan.

    Vogle is a volunteer for Intelligence Community group.
    Image
    Vogle was an adviser for DGC International, a US military contractor founded and headed by Afghan businessman Mustafa Zamani.

    Carmen Middleton also has worked for Disney. She is former deputy executive director of CIA. She was CIA’s highest-ranking Latina and showed women like her can destabilize the world in the name of American democracy too.

    Middleton is volunteer for Intelligence Community group.
    Image
    Bob Litt is the former general counsel for the Office of Director for National Intelligence (ODNI). He worked with James Clapper and was involved in US intelligence response to Snowden’s whistleblowing.

    Litt is volunteer for the Intelligence Community group.

    1. And Ezekiel Emmanuel. Never forget America is about to get their Mengele.

      1. It called “compassion” and “empathy”.
        When you get too old, expensive and inconvenient for the state you’ll get your compassion shot while they stroke your head and tell you what a good boy you were.

    2. This is all a pretty good indication why the Military-Intelligence Complex has been fighting tooth and nail to keep us from pulling out of Afghanistan. Too many contractors to keep feeding war dollars to afford ending things there.

      1. I’ve been saying that for a long time – the MIC isn’t opposed to Trump being a peace-monger on national security grounds, it’s simply because there’s a lot of money in waging war and they don’t give a shit how many people have to suffer and die for them to get their hands on it. Those people truly are evil scum.

  41. https://twitter.com/JordanSchachtel/status/1326936834358784011

    In March, Biden COVID adviser Michael Osterholm estimated 48 million Americans would be hospitalized with COVID. The current # stands at around 500k, and many of these people come into the hospital with a completely unrelated issue but test + for COVID.

    @CNBCPolitics
    Shutting down businesses and paying people for lost wages for 4-6 weeks could control the pandemic and revive the economy until a vaccine is approved and distributed, said Biden coronavirus advisor Dr. Michael Osterholm.

    1. This is the part in the casedemic where leaders have to stop being gutless and stop listening to medical bureaucrats.

      This is a virus that can keep going and going if they so choose it.

      Someone has to shove a stick in the wheel spokes and stop this stupidity.

      Trump was the guy to do it sounds like.

      1. casedemic

        I am now casedemic positive and will be passing it on.

    2. That’s retarded. How can shutting down businesses and giving people money for doing nothing help the economy?

    3. yeah, first it was 2-3 weeks lockdown to “flatten the curve”, now going on 8 months.

      now it’s 4-6 weeks lockdown (with pay!) to “wait for the vaccine”, which might still be 6-12 months away.

  42. After Taking The Bait, The Chief Justice Prepares To Switch On The ACA
    https://jonathanturley.org/2020/11/11/roberts-one-person-pile-up-the-chief-justice-prepares-to-take-the-bait-and-then-the-switch-on-the-aca/

    So, Roberts could create a curious precedent: he saved the ACA in 2012 by declaring the individual mandate essential to the survival of Act and then may save the ACA again in 2020 by declaring that the individual mandate is not essential to the survival of the Act. If that seems confusing, welcome to the world of Chief Justice Roberts on the ACA.

  43. https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1326961856599252992

    Be careful of running afoul of the Logan Act. Biden isn’t yet President and Comey and McCabe taught us in 2016 that it could be a felony for transition officials to talk to foreign leaders about their plans for a new foreign policy.

    1. Biden is the right kind of people, so he doesn’t need to worry.

    2. I knew the MSM and unreason would NEVER cover that.

      I hope after Trump wins Trump vs Biden case, the Attorney general charges Biden with crimes including violating the Logan Act. That the AG includes that “Biden tried to influence US policy with foreign powers WHILE EVERY VOTE WAS BEING COUNTED” would be hilarious.

  44. https://twitter.com/daveweigel/status/1326855845519511552

    Okay, it’s haughty for me to say this but: At what point do people stop handing anonymity to these sources? They’re indulging dangerous conspiracies and giving false hope to people to undermine an election. Print their names.
    Quote Tweet
    Peter Alexander
    @PeterAlexander
    · Nov 12
    Trump is “very aware there is not a path to victory,” but he believes the 72 million who voted for him “deserve a fight” so he’s battling as a form of “theater” for them, a top White House aide tells me.

  45. Did anyone notice Ticketmaster saying you have to prove you’re vaccinated or test negative in order to go watch a concert or other events?

    Nice world we’re about to enter.

    1. Yes, it will be nice. As long as you do as you’re told.

    2. I refuse to watch or pay for any event where the performers only perform in their basements or wear masks.

      if they dont act normally like before March 2020, I am giving them $0.

    3. Going to these things became so fucking expensive BEFORE the pandemic that it was hardly worth the trouble. What’s the point of going now if you have to show your Medical Wellness card just to get in the door?

      It will be the same thing with sporting events, too.

    4. The Golden State Warriors submitted a plan to California to allow them to admit fans (at 50% capacity) if they are all tested within 2 days of admission.

      Right now California doesn’t allow any fans at any sporting event, even though millions are attending NCAA and NFL football games safely in the rest of the country.

  46. https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1326891277472976896

    For those asking why Trump didn’t withdraw troops from Afghanistan before now: try reading the news.

    In July, pro-war Dems on the House Armed Services Committee joined with Liz Cheney & friends to bar any monies used for withdrawal:

    1. https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1326889503391428608

      “Trump promised those troops would be home by the holiday. But while the White House pushed hard on the Pentagon to fulfill that wish, DoD leaders resisted, saying instead any withdrawal needed to be “conditions-based.'”

      Guess which side liberals are on:

    2. Trump didn’t want to dip into those emergency wall building funds.

  47. Gender Activists Are Trying to Cancel My Book. Why is Silicon Valley Helping Them?
    https://quillette.com/2020/11/07/gender-activists-are-trying-to-cancel-my-book-why-is-silicon-valley-helping-them/

    Alternative media rushed in where legacy media feared to go. Joe Rogan hosted me on his show, and for two hours, we explored why a growing number of researchers believe social contagion is at play when clusters of girls suddenly announce, as if as one, that they are boys. Gender dysphoria has always existed, but until recently, afflicted males almost exclusively. While gender dysphoria has always been vanishingly rare among females, social contagion has not. These are the same high-anxiety, depressive (mostly white) girls who, in previous decades, fell prey to anorexia and bulimia or multiple personality disorder. Now it’s gender dysphoria, sometimes along with some or all of those other conditions. Parents are being presented with the seductive idea of transition as a utopian cure-all.

    1. https://twitter.com/AbigailShrier/status/1327056407598809088

      [Target] just made my book disappear.

      Does it bother anyone that Woke activists and spineless corporations now determine what Americans are allowed to read?
      Quote Tweet
      AskTarget
      @AskTarget
      · 19h
      Replying to @BlueIris04
      Thank you so much for bringing this to our attention. We have removed this book from our assortment.

    2. “There’s a shortage of perfect breasts in this world. It would be a pity to damage yours.”

      ― William Goldman, The Princess Bride

  48. Trump’s Economy Really Was Better Than Obama’s
    At least until the pandemic, the president’s unconventional policy got unprecedented results.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-10-30/trump-s-economy-really-was-better-than-obama-s

    Between December 2009 and December 2016, the unemployment rate dropped 5.2 percentage points, from 9.9% to 4.7%. By December 2019, it had fallen another 1.2 percentage points, to 3.5%. A cursory look at those numbers might lead you to believe that the improvement under Trump was at best a continuation of a trend that began nearly a decade earlier.

    It’s necessary to place those numbers in context. By 2016, officials in the Treasury Department and at the Federal Reserve had concluded that the economy was at full employment and that further improvement in the labor market was unlikely. This was in line with the Congressional Budget Office’s guidance that further declines in the unemployment rate would push the economy beyond its sustainable capacity.

    Once in office, Trump ignored this consensus. He implemented a program of tax cuts, spending increases and unprecedented pressure on the Fed to cut interest rates to zero and keep them there. Trump’s goal of 3% growth was derided as delusional, while a bipartisan chorus of commentators declared his policies reckless and irresponsible.

    They were anything but. Not only did the unemployment rate continue to fall, but the percentage of Americans aged 25 to 54 either employed or looking for a job saw its first sustained rise since the late 1980s. This inflection point changed the character of the labor market.

    In 2016, real median household income was $62,898, just $257 above its level in 1999. Over the next three years it grew almost $6,000, to $68,703. That’s perhaps why, despite the pandemic, 56% of U.S. voters polled last month said their families were better off today than they were four years ago.

    1. Reducing taxes and easing regulation are unconventional policy now?

      1. To people who create regulation and live off the taxpayer’s dime, yes.

  49. That’s OK. Now that Orange Man Bad is gone, we can fix the problem and call Biden our savior as case counts plummet.

    In newly surfaced July interview, Fauci warns that widely used COVID tests may pick up ‘dead’ virus
    Over-sensitive tests can just pick up “dead nucleotides” rather than live virus, he said.

    https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/coronavirus/newly-surfaced-video-july-fauci-tests-dead-virus

    At the center of the debate is the “cycle threshold” at which a PCR test operates. PCR tests work by multiplying a virus fragment over a series of cycles until it can reliably detect and confirm the virus within a sample. The more cycles a test must go through before it detects the virus, the smaller and weaker the original sample was.

    High cycles, in other words, are expected to correlate to weaker viral samples, indicating that a patient’s “positive” case in that context may be more or less meaningless from an epidemiological or virological perspective.

    At high levels, ‘the chances of it being [accurate] are minuscule,’ Fauci says.

    Joining the hosts of This Week in Virology in July, Fauci directly responded to a question about COVID-19 testing, specifically how patients with positive tests might determine whether or not they are actually infectious and need to quarantine.

    “What is now sort of evolving into a bit of a standard,” Fauci said, is that “if you get a cycle threshold of 35 or more … the chances of it being replication-confident are minuscule.”

    …High-threshold tests appear to be widely in use in the United States. A review by the New York Times in August found that, of just one batch of positive tests from New York, Massachusetts and Nevada, “up to 90 percent of people testing positive carried barely any virus.”

    Individual test manufacturers and labs, rather than infectious disease authorities, are generally in charge of setting the cycle threshold of a COVID-19 test. “Most PCR assays for infectious diseases have Ct cutoffs in the range of 35-40,” the Alaska Department of Health and Human Services states in a COVID-19 PCR informational document.

    The state in that document noted that most of its PCR tests utilize cycle thresholds of 37, while its backup tests put the number as high as 40.

  50. Homeland Security says this election was “the most secure in American history,

    Well, if anyone would know about security, its the agency that has a 98% . . . *failure* rate. ON ITS OWN IN-HOUSE SECURITY TESTING!

  51. About the fraud. The way I see it is like this.

    Mobsters. We all know they exist and who they are. Everyone knew Lucky Luciano and Meyer Lansky were mobsters. But it was never ‘proven’. And if you went around saying stupid shit like ‘PROVE LUCKY IS A MOBSTER’ then you would have looked like a retard.

    Same thing here. If you pulling this ‘prove it’ shit with what is so fricken obvious, then you’re a useful idiot.

    1. Yes, we get it. Your team is 100% sure the other team stole the election, just like last time the other team was 100% sure your team stole it.

      1. Last time no disputes Trump’s win. It was just her turn and the electoral college is illegitimate.

        1. The Russians hacked the election, remember?

          Or bought some ads on Facebook or something. It was nefarious either way. They may have USED WORDS TO CONVINCE PEOPLE TO VOTE THE WRONG WAY.

          Same basic thing as election fraud. Mostly.

    2. Trump’s loss is proof of election fraud, and if you disagree then you hate America.

  52. All these people squawking about vote fraud are barking up the wrong tree – I don’t think vote fraud was any worse than it’s ever been, it’s just that the mail-in balloting has allowed it to be more complete than usual. I mean, c’mon, look at the inner-city precincts and the voter turnout and the tilt toward one candidate. Are inner-city voters somehow more patriotic or civic-minded than the average person and therefore more likely to vote? No, they just have “community activist” minders who make sure they vote and make sure they vote correctly.

    Every big city has a discretionary fund (AKA “slush fund”) to provide funding for these “community improvement groups” that go around helping their community by establishing soup kitchens and food pantries, drug clinics, ride-sharing to make sure old folks can get to doctors appointments, sprucing up vacant lots, fixing broken windows, organizing volunteers for this, that, and the other – ask Obama about that, he spent a stint as a community organizer. Specifically, ask Obama if that was a volunteer position or if he got paid for it. Ask him how much money he got from the city, ask him what sort of accounting he had to produce to show where the money was going. (If you look hard enough, you might find that Bill DeBlasio’s wife is being asked the same questions regarding some $1 billion she controls in some sketchy community activity and her $2 million per year staff. And ask Rufus about Justin Trudeau and all his friends and family’s involvement in a sketchy charity that mysteriously received a huge no-bid contract from the government.)

    But regardless of the community activity group’s stated purpose, it’s secondary (or really primary) purpose is to make sure everybody gets registered to vote so that they can vote to keep the gravy train rolling. Hell, everybody knows that part of the problem with the gang violence in Chicago is that plenty of these gang members are untouchable because they’re on the city’s payroll and the city depends on them to deliver the votes for the usual suspects in Chicago government. If you want something out of the city – a ride to your doctor’s appointment, a box of food when your food stamps run out, your broken front door fixed – well, it’s only natural that the city may suggest a little quid pro quo. And they understand that voting may be complicated and confusing, so those nice community activist people will be happy to check over your ballot to make sure you’ve filled everything out correctly – hell, they’ll make it real simple and if you just sign the ballot, they’ll fill it out for you!

    Now, it used to be that with in-person voting, it took some work to get people to the polls, you had to send around buses to collect the voters, you had to pay for the refreshments on the buses – beer, cigarettes, pizza, lottery tickets, cash vouchers, you know all the normal refreshments you’d find on a bus trip – and then you had to drive them back home. But with the mail-in balloting, it so much easier to take your time and make house calls to guarantee that everybody’s voted and you don’t have to offer so many refreshments to induce them to do their civic duty!

    And relatedly, I sure would be curious to know what the voter registration rate and the voting rate is at these big state- or city-run old folks homes and compare those to the rate of residents of those old folks homes that are mentally competent enough to fill out a ballot all by themselves without requiring any help to make sure they’ve filled out the ballot correctly. I would be curious, but I’ll bet I wouldn’t be surprised by the numbers.

    1. People who talk about blacks being kept on the liberal plantation are perhaps more literal than they know. You can complain about blacks being too ignorant to know not to vote Democrat, but I’ll bet a significant chunk of those black voters don’t know they’re voting for Democrats. They just have a piece of paper thrust in their faces and get told to fill it out and they know from experience if they don’t fill it out that they’re just going to be nagged over and over and over again about it until they do, and in the meantime unfortunate things may tend to happen to them. Maybe some unknown punk throws a rock through their window, maybe they get mugged, maybe a codes enforcement officer shows up at their door wanting to talk about the length of their lawn, maybe their food stamps don’t get delivered on their usual schedule, maybe their ride to their doctor’s appointment doesn’t show up, lots of little unfortunate things might happen if they don’t fill out that piece of paper. They don’t know what a Democrat is, they don’t know who Joe Biden is, they don’t care about politics because it’s got nothing to do with them, all they know is that piece of paper they’re told to fill out.

      1. Exactly like what they did with Irish immigrants in the days of Tammany Hall.

        The Democrats modus operandi never changes.

  53. Trump Law Firm Quits Pennsylvania Case After Project Lincoln ‘Cancel’ Campaign
    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/trump-law-firm-quits-pennsylvania-case-after-project-lincoln-cancel-campaign

    While no reason was given for the decision by Porter Wright Morris & Arthur LLP, Bloomberg notes that it was one of two law firms targeted by the Lincoln Project – a group of ‘never-Trump’ Republicans devoted to removing Trump from office.

    On Tuesday, the group encouraged people to join LinkedIn and target individual employees of Porter Wright and another law firm, Jones Day, and “Ask them how they can work for an organization trying to overturn the will of the American people.”

    1. >>Lincoln Project

      wtf dudes?

      1. Playing into Trump’s hands. He can now say Silicon Valley (i.e. Twitter) stopped him from going to court, and nobody else can say he lost in court.

        This is so counterproductive that you have to wonder what they’re hiding.

        1. buncha vote fraud?

  54. >>TikTok isn’t quite safe yet

    this is the stupidest fucking issue in the history of issues.

    1. Why, because it makes Trump look like a lefty authoritarian moron who thinks it is his duty to micromanage society through executive fiat?

      1. ya I definitely took a side there.

      2. Or address CCP spyware, but that probably doesn’t fit your narrative.

  55. https://twitter.com/walterolson/status/1327279611043000326

    In takedown letter, Michigan Attorney General takes the position that falsehoods impugning the integrity of the voting process can be criminally prosecuted. That’s probably not true under the current state of First Amendment law

    1. whistleblowers are supposed to be protected, not suspended without pay or charged with crimes.

  56. Treasury reveals it didn’t forecast economic impact of second lockdown
    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/treasury-reveals-it-didn-t-forecast-economic-impact-of-second-lockdown

    Stride: I’ve got a very specific question which you could answer with a yes or no really: has any of this work, as described by Sage, on these economic impacts, on these particular interventions as they suggest. Has that work been carried out under your auspices of the Treasury?

    Lombardelli: It does not exist. As the Chancellor said last week, a specific prediction or forecast does not exist.

    1. Stride: If it doesn’t exist – specific analysis of these measures – how can ministers be expected to take rational and sensible decisions on these important matters, if they haven’t got any analysis, economic analysis, around the impacts of those measures?

      Lombardelli: They do have economic analysis of the impact of the virus and the restrictions put in place. In terms of understanding, what we can look at, for example, is what’s happened in the economy under the last set of restrictions that were put in place the period March-May. And we can learn a lot about that – of course there’s lots of reasons to think this time around the impacts will be different.

  57. https://twitter.com/JamesTodaroMD/status/1326874236963655681

    Short story on masks

    Oct 2020:

    Decrease in Hospitalizations for COVID-19 after Mask Mandates in 1083 U.S. Counties

    Nov 2020:

    The authors have withdrawn this manuscript because there are increased rates of SARS-CoV-2 cases in the areas that we originally analyzed in this study

    1. Shorter version:

      Cold and flu season is in the fall and winter! Who knew?

  58. Pay no attention to that sworn affidavit from postal worker Richard Hopkins. Who by the way is very much putting his life at risk by openly challenging and threatening the government/media democratic party crime syndicate.

    1. and who was suspended without pay.

  59. SMiller: Trumps lawyers pull out of Pennsylvania lawsuit….
    CLICK HERE FOR MORE DETAIL

    1. It’s frightening how much pressure the left can exert even on lawyers. They must be absolutely terrified.

  60. Fauci says U.S. has ‘independent spirit,’ but now is the time to ‘do what you’re told’
    https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/12/fauci-says-us-has-independent-spirit-but-now-is-the-time-to-do-what-youre-told.html

    Fauci, speaking on Thursday at Washington National Cathedral with other top health experts on the pandemic, noted that it is a bit unfair to compare the United States’ coronavirus response with other countries. The United States isn’t an island with five million people that can easily be shut down, he notes. So suppressing and controlling the virus is a lot more of a challenge.

    “I was talking with my U.K. colleagues who are saying the U.K. is similar to where we are now, because each of our countries have that independent spirit,” he said on stage. “I can understand that, but now is the time to do what you’re told.”

    Fauci noted that scientists have been perceived throughout this pandemic as “authoritarian” by members of the public, because of the steps taken to combat the virus. He noted that it’s unfortunate that science “has been lumped into politics.”

    In a “divisive” society, he said, people’s willingness to follow the advice of scientists has often been portrayed a political decision. Surveys have found that Democrats are more likely than Republicans to view Covid-19 as a major threat to public health.

    “All of a sudden science gets caught in a lot of this divisiveness,” he said.

    1. In a “divisive” society, he said, people’s willingness to follow the advice of scientists has often been portrayed a political decision.

      If politics were to get out of the way of science, and people “do what you’re told”, then we would all contribute our best effort to society, while only keeping what we need for subsistence regardless of the amount of our contribution.

      Now, where have we heard that before?

  61. https://twitter.com/voxdotcom/status/1327247483026739200
    Joe Biden plans to label countries as “climate outlaws” for failing to address climate change. Brazil might be at the top of his list.

    1. Biden = judge and jury.

  62. Mississippi gov. says state would not follow any potential national lockdowns
    https://twitter.com/nypost/status/1327052493239574529

  63. Talk to Jews in NYC

    https://twitter.com/TRHLofficial/status/1327261825923215362
    This segment is comparing Trump’s presidency to 4 years of The Night of Broken Glass.

    We spent the summer watching antifa literally burn black neighborhoods to the ground, while Democratic leadership refused help from DJT to stop it.

    They are gaslighting you.
    Quote Tweet
    Ryan Saavedra
    @RealSaavedra
    · 4h
    CNN compares Trump to Nazis purging Jews

    1. I wonder, do leftists even know why Hitler is supposed to be evil? Because it looks like it’s just a meme for which the left doesn’t know the origin, like those monkeys with the untouchable banana.

      1. You nailed it, Moon.

  64. https://twitter.com/RandPaul/status/1327231647645831168

    To all the scientific illiterates denying immunity after COVID infection, realize you are denying the science of natural immunity which is the foundation of vaccine science. (PS even Fauci admits to immunity after COVID).

  65. Yet another daily story on what an asshole Trump is. You know, we already get that.

    Where are the Reason editors on what’s about to happen under the Biden-Harris administration? Isn’t that of some serious concern?

    1. “A man he sees what he wants to see / and disregards the rest.”

      1. None of those stories you linked to exist, and if they did they were not critical enough as well as being too late.

        1. got the too late part right.

      2. Perhaps Reason has “squandered their resistance for a pocketful of mumbles / such are promises, all lies and jest.”

        There was never any serious editorial criticism of Biden throughout the campaign, and there still is none now. All the cited articles simply report that Biden “may not” be able to do some of the things he promised to do, whether good or bad.

  66. Y’all remember how the left hated electronic voting back in the day:

    Hacking Democracy is a 2006 Emmy nominated documentary film broadcast on HBO and created by producer Robert Carrillo Cohen and producer / directors Russell Michaels and Simon Ardizzone and executive producers Sarah Teale, Sian Edwards & Earl Katz. Filmed over three years it documents American citizens investigating anomalies and irregularities with ‘e-voting’ (electronic voting) systems that occurred during the 2000 and 2004 elections in the United States, especially in Volusia County, Florida. The film investigates the flawed integrity of electronic voting machines, particularly those made by Diebold Election Systems, exposing previously unknown backdoors in the Diebold trade secret computer software. The film culminates dramatically in the on-camera hacking of the in-use / working Diebold election system in Leon County, Florida – the same computer voting system which has been used in actual American elections across thirty-three states, and which still counts tens of millions of America’s votes today.

    1. Encryptionses got way more bits nowadays. Nothing to see here, move along.

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  67. https://twitter.com/tomselliott/status/1226627073055318017

    Biden: “Those who say ‘the tree of liberty is watered with the blood of patriots’ — a great line, well, guess what: The fact is, if you’re going to take on the government you need an F-15 with Hellfire Missiles. There is no way an AK-47 is going to take care of you.”

    1. WTHF? I can’t fathom any way to interpret that statement that doesn’t start from the premise “I’m OK, with this man as President, using hellfire missiles and F-15s on American citizens.” The only way it makes any sort of liberal Western Democracy sense is if F-15s and hellfire missiles are some fictional, theoretical, or archaic technology that the government doesn’t own (hundreds of) thousands of. I could conceptually understand what he was saying if, instead of ‘F-15 and hellfires’ he’d said ‘Illudium Q-36 Explosive Space Modulator’. Otherwise, he’s saying you couldn’t/shouldn’t be able to defend yourself from the gun in his right hand.

      1. Yeah, he’s a dumbass, he literally doesn’t understand how a civil war would even work.

        Yeah, right Biden, it’d be 320 million American civilians armed with Ruger 10/22s against The Military.

        Politicians really are the dumbest people on the planet.

        1. “Politicians really are the dumbest people on the planet.”

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cesSRfXqS1Q

          Congressman Hank Johnson (D-Ga) questioning a Navy Admiral over his concerns that Guam would capsize if they added more military personnel / hardware / structures – and/or didn’t distribute the weight of it all properly.

          1. One of the top ten funniest.

    2. Somebody should have told the Viet Cong.

      1. Or the Taliban (*sigh*).

    3. So… the presumptive president elect just promised to use the US military to massacre Americans who voice dissent and promote liberty?

  68. Is anyone really surprise that the 2020 election was the most secure? It was certainly the most scrutinized. It benefitted from reforms after the 2000 and 2016 elections. The spring, summer and fall primaries provided election staff experience in handling an election in a pandemic and handling mailed in ballots. Voters took notice and planned their votes. Yes it is obvious this was the most secure and the most votes in a long time.

    So let me offer this comment. A big thank you to election staffs through out the country. That 2020 election was a success rest on your shoulders.

    1. Amen! The JFK assassination was the most heavily-scrutinized assassination in history and that’s why there are absolutely no questions about what happened. Scrutiny is key. Now let us be done with it now that we have raised the questions and all of them have been satisfactorily answered.

      1. It is worth noting that the Kennedy assassination was scrutinized after the event. The election was scrutinized before, during and after. Also for all the scrutiny Kennedy was still assassinated by a single nutter, LH Oswald.

        1. He said the questions were answered. We don’t need you going on about how Ruby’s assassination of Oswald was the second-most scrutinized assassination in history and that’s why there are absolutely no questions about what happened. What part of ‘scrutiny is key’ do you not understand? And just to head you off at the pass, all questions about MLK or Malcolm X assassinations are right out. Emmett Till was a fluke.

          Now let us be done with it now that we have raised the questions and all of them have been satisfactorily answered.

    2. Hear! Hear!

      One of my favorite things about voting is talking to the invariably wonderful people who volunteer as election workers. That’s why I, personally, would never vote by mail (although I did do early voting this time, to avoid long lines).

    3. I knew/know 3 of my local poll workers personally. Went through the formality of telling one my name and address even though he knew it. I fixed one of them’s laptop for him. Fortunately, he was an actual standup guy and not the kind of guy Hunter Biden is.

  69. You know, it occurs to me that Trump is going to embody that famous Alec Guinness quote, “If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine.” Despite Biden vowing to undo everything Trump has done on day one and despite the fact that 5 minutes after he’s gone it will be as if he’d never been there at all, I can guarantee you that for at least the next 4 years every single bad thing that happens is going to be all Trump’s fault. Trump is somehow going to accomplish much more in the next four years than he ever managed to accomplish as President. That’s a hell of a legacy, ain’t it?

    1. I can guarantee you that for at least the next 4 years every single bad thing that happens is going to be all Trump’s fault.

      And, again, this will be done despite the fact that Trump was more popular in 2020 than he was in 2016. Cops will still be throat stomping black people under Biden’s administration and Team D will still be pantomiming “Why didn’t Trump fix this?” like a record number of black people voted against crime bill Biden and the majority who voted for Biden only chose him because he wasn’t Trump.

      Despite Reason’s stupidity on the subject, I think a political outsider and populist sweeping in and effectively thumbing the Democrats and the RINOs in the eye has been more disruptive and at a lower level than they pretend it hasn’t. Even if only for one term.

    2. They were still blaming Bush for anything bad that happened 7.5 years into Obama’s presidency, so it’s a guarantee that Trump will be blamed for however long Biden and Harris are in office.

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