Election 2020

Pro-Trump Latinos Now Being Exiled From the Progressive Coalition

Socialism: Not so popular among those who remember it well.

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Not only did President Donald Trump win Florida—contrary to the expectations of the perpetually chastened pollsters—but as of Wednesday morning, it looks like he won it by a slightly larger margin than he did in 2016 (51 percent versus 49 percent). This time he had significantly more support from the Latino community: The president improved his raw vote total in the pivotal Miami-Dade County, likely because he captured a larger share of the Cuban American vote.

"Hillary Clinton won the county by a 30-point margin in 2016," notes Vox. "With 86 percent of precincts reporting, Biden's lead had shrunk to just 9 percentage points in Miami-Dade County, and Trump had improved his margins among precincts in the county, where Cubans make up more than a quarter of the electorate by nearly 14 points,"

Trump's messaging to Latinos—and Cubans in particular—appears to have been effective: The campaign heavily targeted Cubans with advertisements suggesting that a vote for Joe Biden was a vote for the kind of socialism that many of them fled when they came to the U.S. Biden has repeatedly and explicitly rejected socialism, though vice presidential pick Kamala Harris—someone whose inclusion on the ticket was supposed to represent outreach to minorities—might have contributed to some mixed-messaging on this issue.

Indeed, very preliminary election results—which must be taken with a grain of salt, as votes are still being counted everywhere—point to the GOP increasing its embarrassingly small share of the minority vote. The specter of pro-Trump Latinos is already prompting recriminations on the left: The New York Times' 1619 Project author Nikole Hannah-Jones referred to Latinos as "a contrived ethnic category that artificially lumps white Cubans with Black Puerto Ricans and Indigenous Guatemalans." Black people, unlike Latinos, experienced chattel slavery in the U.S., and thus "have been forced into a monolithic vote," according to Hannah-Jones. Really, this point just highlights that most ethnic categories are contrived: In fact, Hannah-Jones is essentially saying that one's politics rather than one's skin color is what constitutes whiteness or blackness or brownness. When Biden clumsily said to a black voter, "If you have a problem figuring out whether you're for me or Trump, then you ain't black," he may have inadvertently articulated many intersectional progressives' position: Race is determined by policy views about oppression and marginalization rather than any underlying characteristic.

The project of the activist left has been to bind all oppressed people together in a struggle against racism, sexism, capitalism, transphobia, homophobia, ableism, ageism, sizeism, and every other –ism imaginable. Latinos, in particular, are an example of the inherent contradictions and difficulties of this task: To fight gendered language, highly educated and otherwise privileged college activists have asserted that the gender-neutral term Latinx should replace the traditional Latino and Latina. They have won over many in the media, but very few Latinos—just 2 percent of whom actually like the term.

It appears once again that the combination of woke signaling on cultural issues and far-left economic views that looks attractive to Oberlin College ethnic studies majors is in fact unpopular with a great many minority and immigrant voters. This is something the Democratic Party will need to bear in mind, even if Biden ekes out a win.

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  1. It’s just hard for me to fathom that people actually bought the idea that Joe F’n Biden would usher in some era of radical socialism. He’s about as “socialist” as Bill Clinton. He’s a center-left neoliberal. He’s not an AOC-style flaming socialist.

    1. he’s not an anything and his brain is mush. We elected a meat puppet who will probs be replaced in short order by of the most consistently liberal voting senators in the senate. The whole things a farce.

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      2. We’ve elected him, possibly, but if we have he won’t serve out a full term. Probably within 6 months of inauguration. Mark my words, health issues, or Hunter Biden’s coming legal battles, will make it necessary for him to resign. TPTB always did want Harris, only the people rejected her as ticket-top. So they fixed it this way.

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        2. These people don’t resign unless truly forced like Nixon. Look at Ginsberg, hanging on until she died. Biden won’t resign. He may have a heart attack, but he won’t leave any way other than toes up.

          1. Then Harris and the cabinet will invoke the 15th amendment and declare Biden disabled so that Harris can govern as Acting President.

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    2. It is not him. He does not appear to know and have been told what is in his own platform. It is the rest of the kooks in calling the shots in the Democrat Party.

        1. This, plus the suspicion that he won’t be in for long, to be replaced by Harris, and/or that she’ll really be calling the shots all along.

          You’ve got to wonder how the Democrats picked Harris for VP. No way the delegates’ attitude, no matter how tied they were to Biden, would’ve been, use your judgment, Uncle Joe, we’re sure you’ll pick a winner. However, Harris is particularly unlikable, and did poorly in primaries for president. So what kind of leverage did she have over them?

          So Biden’s an empty suit, emptier than usual.

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    3. please don’t pretend Biden would ever be handed the steering wheel in his own administration.

    4. Agreed! I for one am glad it is down to the wire between Biden and Trump, as opposed to being down to the wire, between Comrade Bernie and Trump!

      From the article…
      “The project of the activist left has been to bind all oppressed people together in a struggle against racism, sexism, capitalism, transphobia, homophobia, ableism, ageism, sizeism, and every other –ism imaginable.”

      To that list of “isms” and their victims, can we please add, “What’s-Mine-isn’t-REALLY-Mine-ism?” Some of, my child isn’t really mine, it belongs to “The Village”, yes, but mostly, the fruits of my labors aren’t really mine! My charity (giving-to) choices aren’t really mine; they belong to Government Almighty! In short, taxes are too high!

      Before conservatives get too smug thinking about the above… Conservatives, MANY of them advocate “What’s-Mine-isn’t-REALLY-Mine-ism” when it comes to the ownership of web sites! Thank Government Almighty, Section 230 still stands, but I have no idea how much longer, till “my betters” punish ME (by taking away MY freedom of speech) to satisfy THEIR urges and “punishment boners”, directed against those evil KKKapitalist web site owners!

      1. I have no problem with Section 230 still standing, but it’s about time that we recognize that when Facebook, Twitter, et al removes legal speech because they aren’t convinced it’s true, or when they “fact check” every little word — that they should be recognized for the fact that they are no longer platforms, but publishers, and should enjoy the full brunt of that.

        Including being sued for libel and slander because they didn’t remove a tweet, or posted a bad “fact check”.

        Oh, and they should also be sued for refusing to provide services — in some cases, services actually paid for (eg, advertising) — to people who abide by the terms of the agreement to use their service, which includes the promise to push information to those who expect to receive it (ie, no more “shadow banning” and other disingenuous techniques for hiding another point of view).

    5. Exactly. Biden raised more money than Drumpf from Wall Street and billionaires — cementing the Democrats’ transformation into the party of Koch / Reason free-market capitalism.

      #VoteDemocratToHelpBillionaires

      1. I see you still have a big Koch obsession.

    6. Joe Biden himself will not. It’s everyone standing behind him that wants to.

      1. In every other case, it’s the president who bends the party to his will, not the other way around. Obama did it, the Blue Dogs were driven out. Trump did it, the NeverTrumpers were driven out. Bush did it, the “paleocons” were driven out and replaced by neocons. What is different about Biden? I think what will actually happen is that Biden would be happy to co-opt some of these more radical left-wing ideas and turn them into something that would be more palatable to a broader audience. For example, take the Green New Deal. Biden is going to propose some environmental thing, and he is going to CALL it the “Green New Deal”, but it will be waaaay watered down compared to something that the likes of AOC would propose. But what is AOC going to do? Vote against her own party and her own signature idea? No, she will have to swallow it, or leave in a huff of indignation – JUST LIKE what happened in the past when members of the president’s governing coalition didn’t get along. I think THAT sort of thing is way more likely to happen than some fantasy that AOC is going to march into the White House and demand that Biden sign her bill “or else”. Or else what?

        1. Biden calls lids at 8am most of the week, he isn’t driving anything dummy.

          Go read his actual website for once and realize what he has on there, a lot of the socialist goals of the socialist wing of his party.

        2. In every other case, it’s the president who bends the party to his will, not the other way around.

          Biden might not even make it to the end of his term. The guy has to stop working before noon every day and can’t even read off of a teleprompter correctly.

          What will is he going to bend the Democrats towards, exactly?

          1. I have to wonder if he’s even going to make it to inauguration day.

            Imagine a huge speech in front of actual people? I can’t see how that goes well.

            1. >America needs to go forward, not backward. Upward, not forward. And twirling, twirling ever more!

        3. That’s nice history, but Biden is not in charge of the Democrats. He’s been courting the left wing of the Democrat party, which shows how stupid he is, since they are the last people to vote for Trump, they are sewn up and in the bag. Nevertheless, that’s who he has been courting. Whether because he’s senile or because his master told him to, it shows that he is not in charge.

          1. If you want to control Biden, all you need is a jar of apple sauce and a young girl with braided hair.

            1. I’m liking the sound of that…maybe add some whipped cream. You’re my kind of rabbi.

          2. He’s a party man, loyal to a fault. He started as a JFK style liberal, was a neolib centrist when that was the Party’s strategy, and he’ll be a social democrat once they achieve a critical mass within the party (if they haven’t already).

            Biden is likely to be the Andropov/Cherenko analogue of this era in Democrat history.

            1. Nice analogy.

            2. When will Nancy Pelosi be forcibly retired?

              1. This has not been her best day. She managed to hold on after Trump in 2016; I doubt she can manage to pull that out of her ass again.

                1. Pelosi was retired a dozen years ago. Don’t you recognize an animatronic double when you see one? 🙂

        4. In every other case, it’s the president who bends the party to his will, not the other way around. Obama did it, the Blue Dogs were driven out.

          Interesting fantasy. Left wingers claim Obama was center left. Why would the relevant comparison to the circumstance you’re asserting be to Blue Dogs instead of the far left?

          On Obama’s watch the squad was elevated to national prominence. He appointed the far left to the DOE instigating the campus Title IX Inquisitions and Stasi and included safetyism as a main tactic. This led led to the current cancel culture. Antifa intimidation on campus was supported by the government in violation of civil rights laws.

          You pretend the relevant comparison is to the Blue Dogs because you know Obama’s example proves you wrong.

    7. He’s a center-left neoliberal. He’s not an AOC-style flaming socialist.

      Only if you believe the center left thinks Mitt Romney Republicans want to return blacks to slavery. In truth this is a “center left” belief to most on the left, but only because the left is now so universally extreme the center-lefters are counted by the dozen.

    8. The ignorance of your comment is quite impressive!

    9. The question isn’t whether or not Joe Biden is a “socialist” it’s whether or not Kamala Harris and the various cabinet members that will be selected for him by the DNC are. Why do people insist on pretending that Joe Biden will be president for any significant length of time before dying or being amendment 25’ed out of office?

    10. It’s just hard for me to fathom that people actually bought the idea that Joe F’n Biden would usher in some era of radical socialism.

      Joe Biden is a corrupt, senile fool, he can’t even usher his own drool. That’s what makes him such a useful figurehead.

      It’s the people behind Biden that usher in an era of soft socialism/fascism, gradually and irreversibly descending into hard socialism/fascism over this decade.

    11. It’s his party. Joe Biden doesn’t lead the Democrat party the way Trump leads the Republicans.

    12. Biden is no socialist, but Harris is pretty much there, and will be running things in a year or two, or sooner if Joe can’t read a teleprompter for much longer. And the rest of the party is a screaming pack of socialist wolves baying at the door. Fathom that.

      1. sooner if Joe can’t read a teleprompter for much longer.

        Yesterday Biden introduced his granddaughter as his son who died 5 years ago. The man’s already senile.

      2. And the rest of the party is a screaming pack of socialist wolves baying at the door. Fathom that.

        The rest of the party…. which nominated the center-left Joe Biden when they had the opportunity to nominate a “socialist wolf” of their own in Bernie Sanders?

        1. The rest of the party…. which nominated the center-left Joe Biden when they had the opportunity to nominate a “socialist wolf” of their own in Bernie Sanders?

          The only difference between Biden and AOC is that he favors incrementalist plans and she support a race to the finish. Their dispute is not of goals but of tactics. We saw this when he announced his support for the Green New Deal. Further he backed the Title IX Inquisitions and winked at the antifa/BLM violence and rioting for 6 months.

          Biden’s immediate plan, like Obama before him, is for the leftmost policy he can achieve given the existing political reality. Upon achieving that plan he is for immediate revision even further left.

    13. It’s hard for me to fathom how anybody can listen to Joe Biden speak and think he’s in charge. Yes, Biden himself is center-left, but his policies will be dictated to him by the far left.

    14. Joe Biden won’t be around long. For now, he’ll do what he’s advised to do.

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  2. Member when Obama deported 1.3 million his first term and trump deported 900k? The Mexicans member

  3. If Biden/Harris ends up in the White House, the left-on-left war is going to be hilarious. A small silver lining in the darkest timeline.

    1. How many innocent Americans will die from the Biden virus while a vaccine is developed?

    2. The left always eats their own. Unfortunately a lot of innocent people usually get caught in the crossfire though.

    3. The Senate is the bigger prize, and it looks like Republicans managed to keep it against all predictions, and gain in the House on top of that.

      Biden and Harris will put the incompetence, authoritarianism and racism of the Democratic party on full display for the next four years. It’s not my preferred outcome, but it’s a real opportunity for Republicans to find a candidate who is less off-putting than Trump. In fact, attack Democrats with their own racism and prejudices: nominate a conservative minority candidate.

  4. It shows that Hannah-Jones identity nationalist worldview is rather repugnant and should be rejected as the bigotry it is.

  5. Trump won Latinos and Latinas
    Biden won the Latinx

    1. El Latina blanco por favor. I’m so lonely and horny and wish Ana de Armas was my gf!

    2. You saw that tweet, too, huh?

    3. As privileged women with internalized sexism voted for Republicans, but all oppressed, predated womyn (including transwomyn, the most authentic class of womxn) voted straight-ticket Democrat.

      1. I suspect a lot of them didn’t vote straight-ticket Democrat. I suspect they only had time to fill in one bubble, and that one bubble was for Biden. Over and over again, ballot after ballot, ignoring the hand cramps.

        After all, when you have only an hour to get 100,000 votes in while no one’s watching, you don’t have time for anything else!

    4. Are we supposed to pronounce that like “la-tinks”, with the stress on the “tinks”? Or on the “la”? Or “Latin-eks”?

      1. I think it’s “La-TEE-nex” but not sure.

  6. Certainly looks like the Blue Wave ended up a slightly Purple Ripple.

    1. “Certainly looks like the Blue Wave ended up a slightly Purple Ripple.”

      Perhaps you can embroider pillows and send them to the Trump family.

      Or maybe just some hankies.

      1. >>and send them to the Trump family

        they’ll look good in the White House the next 4 years.

      2. Hey yo. I’ve got a use for those hankies.

      3. What are you embroidering for Mitch McConnell?

      4. After Biden loses, it will be time to clean house and thin the progtard herd. It might not go too fucking well for you.

  7. Funny how a ‘divisive racist’ improved the lives of so many minority voters by reducing unemployment to historic lows and improving the economy in every measure.
    (And those damn fools keep voting for him instead of their racist sexist intersectional (white) betters)

  8. It’s not the first time.

    Latinx were also exiled from the progressive coalition in California when they voted against gay marriage in Proposition 8.

    https://web.archive.org/web/20170412143227/http://legacy.sandiegouniontribune.com/uniontrib/20081106/news_1n6exit.html

    1. Latinos believe in “machismo” , not intersectional faggotry.

      1. You’re on a roll today!

    2. I remember when Prop 8 passed, I saw one despondent gay white dude in a rainbow shirt screaming about how he hated the blacks (for whom he used The Forbidden Epithet) for failing to vote as he believed they should.

      -jcr

  9. That’s not the only group who’s going to exiled from the progressive coalition.

    1. Like Saturn, the Revolution devours its children.

  10. A white clinger like Robby Soave is proposing to become a “Latino whisperer” for hire?

    This doesn’t work that way, Robby. Culture wars and elections have consequences.

    1. Your lil crush on Robby is getting kinda awwwwk-ward.

      1. The concept of Kirkland popping a boner is immensely disturbing. Fuck you for that image.

    2. He knows clingers, folks. Those silly things are hard to get rid of, when generations of crippling inbreeding have produced a thick mat of hair.

  11. The experts in the comments made it clear that brown people who escaped from socialist hell-holes always vote for Democrats because they want socialism here! Your facts are wrong!

    1. No, that Latinos like Trump more than they’ve liked other GOP candidates, does not mean said Latinos also reject socialism. Or are reliable voters for other GOP candidates.

      Let’s see if their alleged fondness for one of the most histrionically macho guys to sit in the Oval Office in the last 50 years, outweighs their ethnic group’s historical tendency to vote D over R, 2 to 1.

    2. They do in large numbers but not all.

      Guess how Black Americans vote?

    3. It’s revealing you’re so in thrall to the narrative of the moment you can’t understand what happened. Despite the fact that many more Hispanics voted Trump it was still a minority.

      Maybe once say something that makes sense instead of projecting your idiocy.

      1. Sarcasmic is right up there with prominent media personalities who are having epiphanies that they maybe don’t understand people who are not avid leftists.

      2. Revealing that you are so socially inept that you think I’m totally serious and not exaggerating.

        Here. Let me try in your language.

        Hurrr durrrr. Hurrr durrrr. Dur! Dur! Hurrrrr.

        1. you are so socially inept that you think I’m totally serious and not exaggerating.

          To be exaggerating you would have to be correct in the first place, just overestimating the effect. But you’re too stupid to understand the relevant elements of exaggeration.

          It’s revealing people like yourself have to hide themselves behind lies because just not being an asshole isn’t an option.

          1. I was correct in the first place. The loudmouths here have repeatedly said that brown people from south of the border carry socialism like a disease.

            Dunno what people like myself means. They broke the mold after I came out.

            1. I was correct in the first place.

              Of course this is false. A net vote for socialism supports their claim. You just can’t let an opportunity to be an asshole pass you by even if it requires lying about the circumstances.

              They broke the mold after I came out.

              There are millions of other idiots just in this country. It seems unlikely they’re all older than you.

        2. Man… I ended up in the comments section of an article from 2013 earlier today. You were a solid interlocutor back then. What happened to that guy?

          I’m not trying to be sarcastic or mean here. I’m genuinely curious. Did you just give up at some point?

          Like, you were arguing with John and making really good points. And these days, most of your output seems to be just thrashing.

          The comments here used to be really good. I mean sure, we had Idiots like Hihn, but he’s *dead* now. What the fuck happened to this place?

          Do I need to actually *write* the Hihnbot?

          “Left plus Seven equals Chainsaw!”

          1. A number of writers went fill TDS, even buying into the Russia Hoax, impeachment and Kavanaugh totally credible sex scandal. Some even bought the Covington kid was a racist myth. This drew in some outspoken leftist and leftist posing as libertarians. At about the same time some long term posters starting getting holier than thou about how much better than they were than any libertarian leaning posted who even dares to question orange Man bad narratives. They declared anyone questioning Reason is not a true libertarian. The conservatives who had migrated here during the Bush and Obama years took issue with the portrayal of the right as inbred racists and it turned into an ugly, junior high level shouting match. Also, around that time Reason partnered with Volokh and a number of trolls migrated over here from there. Self awareness and intellectual discussions gave way to three way tribalist warfare. The “true” libertarians who hate tribalism except when it is their tribalism, the left and the trust me I am totally libertarian but never criticize the progressives and say stupid shit like they are for individual freedom (or think they’re libertarian because they like drugs and butt sex) and the Conservatives. About this time, Hihn’s infection seem to spread to some other long time posters, who lost any semblance of balanced thought. And now we are only nice to each other on Holidays unless we’ve been drinking.

  12. Mail in ballots were a bad idea.

    1. They weren’t even necessary. I expect next election Democrats will push voting by text message.

  13. suck a dick, Shikha

  14. “though vice presidential pick Kamala Harris—someone whose inclusion on the ticket was supposed to represent outreach to minorities—might have contributed to some mixed-messaging on this issue.”

    There is no mixed message. The democrats have dropped all pretense, and all democrats in the USA are gung-ho socialists (fascists, actually, but same results).
    The last “moderate” democrat was run out of town on a unicorn.
    Basement Bunker Biden is a Trojan horse to get Her Most Leftist Kween Kamala into the white house. Period.

  15. Excellent because democrats are a corrupt lying party and anyone with a brain should leave them now.

  16. It appears once again that the combination of woke signaling on cultural issues and far-left economic views that looks attractive to Oberlin College ethnic studies majors is in fact unpopular with a great many minority and immigrant voters.

    Damn minorities, don’t they know their place? – progtards

  17. Latino’s for Trump song/ad was devastating….many of my relatives loved it and voted Trump (and most would be considered “Latin”).

  18. The New York Times’ 1619 Project author Nikole Hannah-Jones referred to Latinos as “a contrived ethnic category that artificially lumps white Cubans with Black Puerto Ricans and Indigenous Guatemalans.”

    Yeah, just as contrived as the ethnic category that artificially lumps together Clarence Thomas, Valerie Jarrett and Kamala Harris.

    1. Well, gender can be contrived into what? 27 categories, so I imagine race can yield a far greater number. Seems to me any sexual/gender/race category input N would yield N! number of categories

    2. :Barack Obama has entered the chat:

  19. Not a single black American has experienced chattel slavery, you fvckin niteit, unless they immigrated from sub-saharan Africa

  20. “Pro-Trump Latinos Now Being Exiled From the Progressive Coalition
    Socialism: Not so popular among those who remember it well.”

    Have you noticed that most people who have a slobbering love affair never came from or lived in a socialist state?

    1. Unless they came from the ruling class. And even then, Stalin’s daughter was an outspoken anti-Communist activist.

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