Election 2020

Efforts To Limit Ballot Drop-Off Boxes Are Cynical Electoral Gamesmanship

Across 14 states that track party affiliations of absentee-ballot-voters, 56 percent of mail-in votes have been cast by Democrats and only 23 percent have been cast by Republicans.

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On Election Day, there will be literally hundreds of polling places open in Harris County, Texas—which makes sense because more than 4.7 million people live in the county that includes Houston, America's fourth-largest city.

But voters who requested absentee ballots will have to either put them in the mail or return them to a single location: a parking lot outside the Houston Texans' NRG Stadium. That's because Republican officials in Texas—like in Ohio and elsewhere—have ordered counties to have no more than one ballot dropoff location.

In a ruling issued earlier this week, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 5th Circuit upheld Texas' limit on ballot dropoff boxes and dismissed concerns about suppressing votes. "One strains to see how it burdens voting at all," the three-judge panel concluded, since the allowance of a single absentee ballot dropoff box in each country does not limit other options, such as mailing in ballots and voting in person at a polling place.

States are allowed to set their own election rules as long as those rules don't run afoul of federal protections against discrimination and disenfranchisement. Texas has not restricted the ability to vote, merely limited how much it will expand the availability of absentee voting in light of the COVID-19 pandemic. The federal courts are right to be judicious about overturning those duly set rules.

Still, it's difficult to look at the available data regarding absentee balloting for the 2020 election and conclude that these Republican-backed efforts are anything other than a cynical ploy to salvage an election that could get ugly for the GOP. In states that track the party affiliation of voters who requested absentee ballots, the numbers are overwhelmingly tipped towards Democrats. But requested ballots mean nothing until they are returned—and therefore any barriers erected to reduce the number of ballots returned is likely to help Republicans.

Not only have Democratic voters requested more absentee ballots, but they've also returned those ballots at a higher rate. According to the U.S. Elections Project, which is run by the University of Florida political scientist Michael McDonald and tracks ballot data, there have been more than 7.5 million mail-in votes cast in the 14 states that track party affiliations of voters using absentee ballots. In those states, a limited but significant cross-section of the country as a whole, 56 percent of mail-in votes have been cast by Democratic voters and only 23 percent have been cast by Republicans.

As the COVID-19 pandemic has caused a surge in the number of absentee ballots requested and cast, Republicans may have fallen behind, in part, because President Donald Trump has been so critical of mail-in voting.

"Absentee voting gives neither party a political advantage, but the political party or the candidate that has a concerted, focused effort on encouraging absentee voting does have an advantage," former Pennsylvania Gov. Tom Ridge, a Republican who recently announced that he plans to vote for former vice president Joe Biden, told Reason in August. "It seems counterintuitive and counterproductive for the president to be opposed to it when, frankly, Republicans are going to have to use it."

Republicans have already missed that opportunity, as the number of requested absentee ballots in the country makes clear. Now, facing an uphill battle on Election Day itself, the party may be hoping to make some marginal gains by finding legal avenues for reducing the number of absentee ballots that are successfully returned, and thus counted.

In close states, every little bit could matter.  In the key swing states of Florida and North Carolina, for example, Democrats have cast 54 and 53 percent of the mail-in ballots already returned, respectively. Republicans account for just 28 percent in Florida and 17 percent in North Carolina, according to the U.S. Elections Project data.

If partisanship maps itself onto not only who voters support but how they vote, it creates opportunities for election officials to play these sorts of games—restricting or elevating absentee balloting or in-person voting in the hopes of boosting one side over the other.

Democrats are guilty of doing this too. In Pennsylvania, where the state Supreme Court is controlled by judges elected as Democrats (Pennsylvania's judges are technically non-partisan but are elected to the court in partisan contests), judges have effectively rewritten the state's election laws to require that mail-in ballots received by November 6 be counted, as long as the ballots were not mailed after Election Day. Like what Republicans are doing in Texas, this is a subtle way of advantaging one way of voting over another

Until a court says otherwise (and perhaps even then, depending on appeals rulings) all of this is legal. But it's also ugly, cynical, and corrosive to the legitimacy of elections. Unfortunately, both major parties are happy to put their thumbs on the scale.

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  1. >>since the allowance of a single absentee ballot dropoff box in each country does not limit other options

    if there’s only one in all America I might agree. the three-judge panel is otherwise correct.

    1. You have to go to one place in your county to drop off your ballot. The horror. Who the fuck are these idiots trying to kid?

      1. These are just the death throes of a dying ideology. Demographically, the future is inevitable. The GOP is done as a national force unless they abandon white grievance politics. Which, of course, they won’t, because it is the driving force behind their efforts.

        1. So in addition to thinking that sexualizing children and having little boys dress up women to entertain perverted old men, you also harbor white genocide fantasies.

          You should work on both of those things.

          1. Say what? Saying white people are losing their demographic advantage is harboring a white genocide fantasy? Are you literally fucking insane? As for the first part of your reply, are you talking about the Cuties film, which criticized the sexualization of young girls, and which I pointed out when you were raving and ranting about it? You seem obsessed with this topic for some reason. I wonder why you always bring it up. Seek help.

            1. “Saying white people are losing their demographic advantage is harboring a white genocide fantasy?”

              Yes.

              Your entire premise presumes that white people vote as a bloc based on their whiteness. You oppose that. Thus, in your view, the less white people, the better.

              So, again, yes. Your views are very clear.

              1. Do you even know what genocide means? What the fuck is wrong with you?

                1. Please, tell me more about the inherent evils of the white race.

                  Get lost.

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            2. My district could use a few less white people voting. If I have to see that fucking lily white Black LIves Matter demonstration one more time when I drive home, I’m going to pop an artery.

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          2. Ah yes, the horrible genocide of… Hispanic/non-white folk having more babies then non-Hispanic white folks.

            Truly, this will go down in history as the worst genocide ever perpetrated in America… a war for the American future, fought in the American bedroom. Are you, a presumably non-Hispanic white man, man enough to have more unprotected sex with a non-Hispanic white woman of child-bearing age while she’s ovulating? Your country needs you!

            I mean, for crying out loud, that “whites will be a minority (but still a plurality) by 2050!” thing is (A) funny in that it scares people, and (B) it disappears entirely if you stop discounting Hispanic white folk.

            1. “Hispanic/non-white folk having more babies”

              Fuck off with your “those hypersexualized browns can’t stop fucking” racist bullshit.

            2. I live in Southern California.
              I identify as a non hispanic white. The govt. has considered me a minority for several years in my County.
              It’s been really tough, but I persevere

          3. Demographics are not changing how Lefties want.

            Trump and the GOP are picking up more and more Black and Hispanic voters that are ex-Democrat voters. There is no flood of new Socialist Illegals coming into the USA to vote Democrat.

        2. Pretty good for a Russian bot.

      2. next they’ll argue the County Court system is racist because jury duty

      3. … do you live in an eastern state where counties are small? ’cause out here int he west, counties can be pretty huge, spanning hundreds of miles. For example, the only permanent drop-off box in my county is over a hundred miles away from my house.

        So yeah, having a single box per county means that some people in Texas, if they want to drop-off instead of use the mail (which, you know, has been attacked as unreliable by the president), will have to drive for hours.

        If you can’t see how that’s a burden, I think the idiot trying to kid people is you.

        1. in Texas absentee ballots can be requested and mailed from home. most people’s mailboxes are mere feet from their doors. this is a non-issue.

        2. WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

          If you don’t wait until the last day, you can drop the damn thing in any mailbox. What a pussy!

        3. The largest county in Texas is Brewster County.

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brewster_County,_Texas

          It has a population of 9,000 people, five thousand of which live in the county seat of Alpine.

          If you can’t see how fucking ridiculous your claim is, I don’t know what to do for you. Do you think those 4,000 people never come to town or something?

          Just shut up.

          1. John has been reduced to bitching about too many ballot box locations and telling people to shut up. If this isn’t a complete rhetorical surrender, I don’t what is.

            How long do you think you guys can hang on to minority rule? You realize cynical and hypocritical abuse of procedure will not work forever, right?

            Eventually the people will have their way, whether with your consent in a democratic system, or over your dead body. That’s the only choice you have.

            1. One would think a diehard Republican would want Republicans to vote.

              It’s not like Houston is going to go Blue. But… if the Republicans keep making it hard to vote, it just might.

              1. It’s not hard to vote, you fucking imbecile.
                Voting is ridiculously easy.
                The left-libertarians-against-effort-and-reaponsibility crowd is a joke.
                If voting is important to you, invest the extremely minimal effort required to do so.

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          2. If you can’t see how fucking ridiculous your claim is […]

            My claim, since you seem to have forgotten, was “some people in Texas, if they want to drop-off instead of use the mail (which, you know, has been attacked as unreliable by the president), will have to drive for hours.”

            To illustrate that this claim is “ridiculous”, you have pointed at a specific county (which is larger then the state of Connecticut) in which the round-trip time from some towns in the county to the county seat will require multiple hours.

            So… yeah, I feel pretty vindicated.

            Unless you expected me to, like you, say “it’s only four thousand people, fuck ’em!”

            1. Harris County contains the fourth largest city in the country. And the Republicans just say “fuck ’em”.

              It’s sad. I’ve never seen a party go this deep down a rabbit hole before. They’re literally campaigning to themselves and limiting the ability of the vast undecided middle to cast a ballot.

              It’s like they KNOW they’re going to lose, and are just drumming up excuses.

              “We would of won but there weren’t enough dropboxes! We need a do-over!”

              1. “would of”

                And this idiot thinks he should be taken seriously.
                Go play in traffic.

                1. Another surrender ^

                  You guys can’t even make a rational argument, but that doesn’t reduce your conviction. Seems…cultish.

                  1. “Another surrender”

                    Flashback to the war private?

        4. Um…we’re talking about Harris County TX. Ain’t nobody driving for hours, unless traffic is backed up.

          1. It’s Houston, teh traffic is usually backed up.

            To be fair, the frontage roads are just as wide as the freeways, but still…

          2. I didn’t realize that Texas’s government was only applying this “one ballot box per county” rule to Harris County, and letting all others do as they wished.

            That’s even more fucked up.

      4. This same county has OVER EIGHT HUNDRED polling places! See the disparity? It’s the fourth largest city in the country, and it has ONE dropoff box.

        Republicans could be encouraging people to fill out their ballots and vote, but instead are rigging the system to reduce absentee ballots during a pandemic. It’s virus denialism so important to you that you would rather lose the election over it? You imagine everything will magically turn around on voting day, but when people stay home because they don’t want to expose themselves, then you’re screwed.

        EIGHT HUNDRED POLLING PLACES but only ONE dropoff box. Just so you can feel smug. Jeepers cripes.

        1. I stopped reading at “virus denialism.”

          1. So you do expect the elderly to go to an in-person polling place during a pandemic? I see.

            1. I expect them to die in their homes, alone and forgotten, because the second they make contact with the outside world they will disintegrate. But, that is just my virus denialism talking.

              1. The evil Republikkkans are going to make old people go to a booth with The Last Arc in it and melt all their faces off!

        2. BB complains about virus denialism, while calling for more places for people to gather to drop off a ballot. Hmmmm.

          1. They wouldn’t have to “gather” if there were more drop boxes.

            1. they each have one attached to their house or at the end of the drive.

      5. I thought the entire point of this “everybody should absentee vote” crap was to avoid having to go to a polling place for fear of catching the Wuhan Flu. This was to be accomplished by letting everyone mail them in.

        Now they want drop boxes for every polling place. It seems obvious that avoiding the Wuhan Flu was a ruse since they are now advocating going out and getting exposed to the WuFlu to drop the ballot in a box. If they can do that, they could have just voted in person as usual.

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      7. Or you can put it in … the mail box.

      8. Lefties want to change the rules to steal an election.

        If they wanted hundreds of drop boxes, they should have had the rule and paid for them years ago.

        Democrats created a Kungflu hysteria hoax to control how the election ballots are cast compared to other elections.

        Democrats created an opportunity to take their voter fraud to a whole new level.

        Luckily, Biden will lose by so many states and so fast it will make the Democrat Party head spin, just like in 2016.

    2. I disagree even with that (assuming by ‘country’ they mean ‘county’). Any other year we manage to get hundreds of thousands of absentee ballots from (e.g.) Germany, Iraq, Afghanistan, Korea, Japan, etc., etc. without a single state expending a single dollar to put dropoff boxes in those locations.

      *Requiring* absentee ballot dropoff boxes for at every voter’s polling location (or district or county or…) is between oxymoronic and a covert attempt at fraud.

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    4. “One strains to see how it burdens voting at all,” the three-judge panel concluded, since the allowance of a single absentee ballot dropoff box in each country does not limit other options, such as mailing in ballots and voting in person at a polling place.

      And then when there’s only one polling place, the rationale will be that there are other options, like mailing in your ballot or the one drop box. And when there’s only one drop box and one polling location, it’s still not a burden because you can mail in the ballot after you request it and have it mailed to you and you mail it back, trusting that it arrives and is counted.

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  2. “If partisanship maps itself onto not only who voters support but how they vote, it creates opportunities for election officials to play these sorts of games—restricting or elevating absentee balloting or in-person voting in the hopes of boosting one side over the other.”

    This is to be expected in a country barreling toward a civil war. The next major legal dispute will be over whether it is legally defensible to shoot someone for carrying an American flag in public.

    1. If the DA’s election campaign was funded by George Soros, it already is.

      1. The American flag is a symbol of racism. Racists wield symbols of racism. Racists are also Nazis. Nazis are violent. Nazi violence must be stopped. Preempting Nazi terrorism is legally justifiable. If you have to shoot a Nazi terrorist with an American flag, so be it.

        “I’m not going to cry over someone shooting a Nazi. It saved lives.”

        The foundations for this type of reasoning are already ingrained within the minds of millions and all it would take for it to become legal precedent is a handful of grand jurors.

        Welcome to the war. Ballot boxes are the least of our worries.

        1. Right. There is nothing racist about black people in Georgia having to stand 7 hours in line to cast a vote, while white people are in and out. That’s just total coincidence.

          1. I suppose asking for a citation is beyond the pale, isn’t it?

              1. LMFAO. John Oliver. Of course.

                Did they have to go to the NIGGERS ONLY polling place, or?????

              1. people flocked to the polls for the first day of early voting in the state

                Yeah, and in June in a normal year there are long lines for the rides at Disneyland. But if you go in December on a rainy day, you can walk right up and ride.

                Wait 2 days and the lines will be shorter.

                The government has a duty to protect your right to vote. Whining that it is inconvenient is on you.

                1. You could have replied with “oh, that’s terrible, they shouldn’t have to wait that long.” That would have been the response of someone with empathy and a willingness to actually address racial disparities. But no, you double down. You guys do this every fucking time something like this is brought up. Rather than try to defuse accusations of racism, you double down. And they you wonder why the accusations continue.

                  1. You are making a complete fool of yourself.

                    1. Eunuch is a racist who thinks black people are beneath him.
                      Of course he’s making a fool of himself.

                  2. These people double down because they’re clinically insane (and racist and homophobic). I agree with your post Chipper, it would be hard for any normal liberal-minded person not to. Thanks for the insightful comments.

                    1. You forgot “anti-Science!”

                  3. You do understand that even the shitty fucking cite you provided from The Guardian 4 months ago mentioned nothing about race and there were no disparities in wait time based on skin color, right?

                    Janine Eveler, the elections and registration director for Cobb County, said the county had prepared as much as much as it could, “but there’s only so much space in the rooms and parking in the parking lot.”

                    “We’re maxing out both of those,” she said. “People are double parking, we have gridlock pretty much in our parking lot,” she added.

                    Guess what? When it’s crowded and there’s too many people trying to use a common resource, you have to queue. Kinda like the socialized health care that you favor. Your own fucking cite says absolutely nothing about race. You invented that yourself because you’re a racist piece of shit.

                2. Currently, there are no lines.

              2. Which had nothing to do with race and everything to do with bureaucratic incompetency at the local level.

                1. Thank you.

                2. The Georgia secretary of state specifically closing polling locations in urban and minority areas is local incompetence? Seems like targeted voter suppression.

                  1. Seems like you are full of it.

                    1. I would be upset too if I fell for a ficition like he did.

                    2. “The Georgia secretary of state specifically closing polling locations in urban and minority areas”

                      Now all you have to do is find an article that actually supports that.

                  2. I see the problem. You’re talking about things that never actually happened that your 35 IQ points concocted in your delusional headspace.

                  3. I read your link but didn’t see anything.

                  4. “polling locations in urban and minority areas”

                    Cobb County and Suwannee…

                    1. Was he really talking about Cobb County?

                      Holy shit DOL is fucking stupid.

              3. It seems like you just saw an article with a picture of black people in it, and reflexively dove into some kind of conspiracy about blacks being disenfranchised at the hands of evil white supremacists.

                Also, John Oliver? Maybe you can cite SNL next time.

                Ridiculous.

                1. It seems like you just saw an article with a picture of black people in it, and reflexively dove into some kind of conspiracy about blacks being disenfranchised at the hands of evil white supremacists.

                  That’s exactly what he did. It’s because he’s a racist cunt who thinks black people are beneath him and projects his racism onto everyone else. If he sees black people standing in a line he assumes it’s because they are black, and stupid, and helpless, and need a white saviour like himself to come to their rescue. Nothing in his cite mentions anything about racial disparities. It just says that Georgia got overwhelmed by huge crowds on the FIRST DAY of EARLY VOTING 4 FUCKING MONTHS AGO.

                  1. DOL was being a dishonest piece of shit? I’m shocked, shocked I tell ya!

              4. The county runs its own polling places. Those “racist” lines are caused by the people those people voted for to run their county.

                The state does not micromanage where polling places are placed.

          2. What does this have to do with shooting people with an American flag, simp?

    2. ” This is to be expected in a country barreling toward a civil war. ”

      Blustering, all-talk, impotent clingers are among my favorite culture war casualties.

      Open wider, assholes.

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      1. Fuck around and find out you pathetic little sniveling cunt. Ask Garrett Foster what happens to tuff gai LARPers when the shit hits the fan.

        1. The problem with this tofu terrorist is that he thinks his side will win, and then elevate him to a post of great honor and prestige. Instead, they will execute him during some bizarre, ritual of loyalty and then lose the war.

  3. “56 percent of mail-in votes have been cast by Democrats and only 23 percent have been cast by Republicans.”

    The disparity between those percentages is going to be even greater about a week or two after the election.

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    2. Funny how it never occurs to the author that that disparity could be evidence of fraud. Democrats all just magically vote absentee for some reason. I suppose that is possible. But it is equally possible that Democrats have no special affinity to absentee voting and absentee voting is more susceptible to Democratic fraud.

      1. Fraud is just a conspiracy theory.

        1. There is fraud. *checks notes* But hey we found some fraud and here’s the rub, it was Repulicans! So logically there is no fraud.

      2. It’s only “magical” if you ignore the historical trends, how one party made absentee voting a partisan point, and so-on.

        1. So Democrats all vote absentee because the party told them to?

          Sorry, but that doesn’t seem likely. Try again.

          1. Must be a massive conspiracy then. Try again.

            1. Must be an unresponsive non-sequitur.

              Also, you’re getting worse and worse at socking, cytotoxic. You were never good at it to begin with, but it’s getting fucking sad.

              1. You guys are all delusional. Complete with the delusion that everyone here who isn’t in your cult is the same person. It’s pathetic.

                1. Agreed!

                  GOP partisan idiots ignore a simple fact: “Team D” voters are more scared of Covid that Trumpistas are. They don’t want to catch Covid, plain and simple! So they vote absentee, by mail. No conspiracy needed, tin-foil-hats gang!

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            2. Why would he have to try at all he doesn’t need to explain it.

              Jesus you are fucking dumb DOL.

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    3. Republicans take pride in voting in person. I know i did but my county moved to mail in only a few years ago because the person in charge is too stupid to figure out how to do different districts now. she at one point had people crossing districts to vote when the voting booth was next door.

      1. Republicans take pride in voting in person.

        What was that line about the kid and the fake steering wheel?

  4. Not only have Democratic voters requested more absentee ballots, but they’ve also returned those ballots at a higher rate.

    I can think of an easy obvious reason: Democrats are more timid and more gullible, believing the worst scaremongering about had deadly and dangerous the virus is. How else could they delude themselves into believing all the nonsense justifying continued lockdowns? To dare venture outside would be to betray their own rationalizations for putting up with the mostly-Democratic lockdowns.

    1. Yeah, that poll someone shared yesterday about who’s terrified of Wuhan by party supports this pretty strongly. But, you know, narrative.

      1. Got a link, or do you remember what story?

          1. Wow … I never would have expected such disparities. Offhand, since Democrats aren’t crowing about all the Republicans dying or packing hospitals, I’d guess that’s not the case, and Democrats are scared of everything, which is to say scared of nothing.

            1. A lefty friend of mine came down to our county from Los Angeles. We took him out to lunch and the expression on his face reminded me of a time traveler launched into the future. He really couldn’t believe that people would go into a restaurant, sit down, and eat lunch.

              1. Did you remember to wear your mask between bites?

    2. They are sheep. Everyone in the country knew the sheep were going to cast way more mail ballots. Not sure why this is newsworthy.

  5. Another problem with this trumped-up scare narrative: Democrats are the ones saying mail-in ballots are safe, yet Democrats are also the ones wanting more alternatives. And on the flip-side, Republicans are the ones saying mail-in ballots are not safe, yet Republicans are the ones wanting to limit alternatives.

    This article is a scare piece, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.

    1. Wouldn’t limiting the number of drop off points be a way to make the ballots safer and less prone to fraud? If there is only one box in the county, it is a lot easier to make sure it isn’t stuffed than if there are 20 boxes.

      1. Which is why the dems are opposed – – – – – – –

      2. Stuffed with what? Each ballot has the voter’s name on it, which can be checked off at the election office.

        1. Yeah because there are no dead people or people who have moved or people who are known to never vote. And no one would ever think to collect those names and then fill out ballots in their names or anything.

          You can’t be this fucking stupid. Please tell me you are being sarcastic here and I just missed it. Please tell me that. I don’t want to live in a universe where someone is dumb enough to say what you just said seriously.

          1. Too true. I mean, to get a list of all the dead people, you have to go to the Social Security web site and request it. Way to hard for political operatives with tons of Soros money.

            1. Then you can use big data from social media to get a list of people who are unlikely to vote or have moved and cross reference them with the voter rolls. The Obama campaigns made that into a science of that.

          2. “fill out ballots in their names or anything.”

            This isn’t how absentee ballots work. They are watermarked to the individual.

            You would have to not only know who these people are, but either change their address (which requires ID) or go get the ballot from the address. Then you need to fill it out, sign it in a way that won’t get you identified.

            Where you drop off that ballot has NOTHING to do with the fraud. If you have solved for all the other problems, finding a mailbox to drop into is peanuts.

          3. “You can’t be this fucking stupid.”

            John, yet again, you’re making a claim with no evidence to back it up. You’re too kind giving people the benefit of the doubt.

        2. Each ballot has the voter’s name on it, which can be checked off at the election office.

          So NPR’s scare stories about improperly filled out ballots is just that.

        3. “Each ballot has the voter’s name on it, which can be checked off at the election office.”

          And Joe Smith would never fill out John Doe’s ballot.
          Interested in the north anchorage of a bridge? I got a real deal just for you.

          1. Too close to Sausalito. The south anchorage, on the other hand …. does it include Ft. Point?

        4. Back when you had to show id and it was locals taking the ballots they could tell when someone was using a dead persons name now there are zero checks. My friends father had been dead for a decade when he noticed his name was still on the list of voters

        5. heritage.org/voterfraud.

    2. Republicans are the ones saying mail-in ballots are not safe, yet Republicans are the ones wanting to limit alternatives.

      Saying “We don’t offer a grilled cheese sandwich without cheese, we offer buttered toast.” is not limiting someone’s alternatives.

      1. *Phone rings*
        Waitress: “American Voting Diner! Whaddya have?”
        Customer: “I’ll have a grilled cheese sandwich without cheese.”
        Waitress: “We don’t offer a grilled cheese sandwich without cheese, we offer buttered toast.”
        Customer: “Fine, buttered toast.”
        Waitress: “OK, do you want that waiting for you at the counter, at your table, or delivered to your home?”
        Customer: “Can I get it delivered to my car?”
        Waitress: “We don’t normally do that, but sure, what space are you in out front?”
        Customer: “I’m parked at my Mom’s house across town.”
        Waitress: “What’s your Mom’s address, we can deliver it there?”
        Customer: “Quite limiting my options!”
        *slams phone down*

        1. If I may pick a pointless nit, buttered toast isn’t quite the same as grilled cheese without the cheese. Does your hypothetical restaurant offer fried bread?

          1. No, oven-broiled or pan-seared.

  6. So efforts to limit ballot drop boxes are cynical electoral gamesmanship. I wonder if the same applies to efforts to force mail-in voting in the first place.

  7. “But voters who requested absentee ballots will have to either put them in the mail or return them to a single location”

    The the problem is people are being forced to mail in their mail-in ballots?

    1. The the problem is people are being forced to mail in their mail-in ballots?

      As you may recall, the President of the United States has spent quite a bit of time raising fear and alarm over the idea of postal workers throwing out ballots, and that he had the USPS send a mailer to everyone warning them that if they mail their ballot, it might be counted.

      So… yes. A large part of why ballot boxes are an issue is because of President Trump’s successful efforts to undermine confidence in the postal system.

      1. I mean what incentive would a unionized workforce that contributes exclusively to the Democratic party have to fuck around with mail-in ballots in an election where 100% mail-in has been mandated for the first time in American history?

        If it’s all a big old conspiracy theory as you assert then all you need to do is reassure those voters that the postal service that they already know and love, that never misdelivers mail or loses packages, is perfectly safe and secure, and that they are 100% fine to vote from their doom bunkers with N95 respirators worn 24 hours a day. Surely you can argue more persuasively than a half-retarded clown baby con man who likes to get peed on by Russian hookers, right?

        1. What a strange, deranged, response.

          In response to the question, I pointed to President Trump’s public actions as to why people might be more hesitant than usual to use the mail. That requires no conspiracy.

          As far as solutions go, I have none. Like everything else this year, the situation is fucked.

          1. When Dems claimed, in 2004, that voting machines were being rigged to help Bush, were they trying to suppress voting?

            1. You are, of course, free to consider President Trump’s (successful) attempts to undermine public confidence in the USPS as “voter suppression”.

              I did not.

              What I did was treat a sarcastic question seriously to highlight that while the situation may sound silly, it’s all quite sensible.

              I’ll walk you through it again:
              (1) Many people do not want to vote in person this year because we are still in the middle of a global pandemic.
              (2) The chief alternative, mail-in voting, has been denigrated for months by the sitting President.
              (3) The second alternative is to turn-in a mail-in ballot at a designation ballot collection site, or “ballot box”.

              And that is why ballot boxes are such a contentious issue this year.

              Whether (2) in that list counts as voter suppression? That’s your call to make. It is not relevant to my explanation of why ballot boxes are so unusually important this year.

      2. “…So… yes. A large part of why ballot boxes are an issue is because of President Trump’s successful efforts to undermine confidence in the postal system.”

        Your head wants some company; stuff your TDS up your ass.

        1. I’m sorry, but it’s now “TDS” to say that President Trump’s very public campaign to undermine public trust in the ability of the USPS to handle mail-in ballots this year has worked?

          I know I spent a few months away, but what happened that y’all got this bad?

          1. Gee, the efficacy of the USPS doing anything was widely lauded before this year.

            1. Whiney leftist gonna leftist whine

  8. “Unfortunately, both major parties are happy to put their thumbs on the scale.”

    Democrats are “putting their thumb on the scale” by making it easier to vote by mail. Republicans are putting their thumb on the scale by making it harder. Some people might see a differences–but not Reason commenters, one would say, who seem to be uniformly in favor of Donald Trump. Free trade? Unrestricted immigration? Balanced budgets? What are these things?

    1. Those things were never really on the menu.

    2. Democrats are “putting their thumb on the scale” by making it easier to vote by mail. Republicans are putting their thumb on the scale by making it harder.

      Adding to the scale is not thumbing and not adding to the scale is thumbing.

      Democrats are thumbing the scale by insisting taxpayers provide endless options even if those options are redundant, degenerate, oxymoronic, or even nonsensical. Republicans are “thumbing the scale” by pointing out that those options already exist or can’t possibly exist.

      Who do you think you’re fooling with your nonsense? Is your side/party so desperate that they really need to boost their appeal to the functionally retarded demographic?

      1. What’s the big cost or loss if they add a few more ballot drop boxes? Explain yourself.

        1. What’s the big cost

          As is typical of Marxists, you operate on the assumption that things that cost money can be provided gratis. They can’t. The boxes have to built, installed, monitored, and collected.

          or loss

          The boxes could be stolen or stuffed very easily due to less conscientious monitoring. You know, like you want.

          1. Uh huh. Wanting to make it convenient to vote is now Marxism, eh?

            My god. Do you people hear yourselves?

            1. Wanting to make it convenient to vote is now Marxism, eh?

              The insistence or assumption that property is owned by or owed to the public is explicitly Marxist, regardless of whether it facilitates voting or not.

              Are you going to stand behind Hussein’s, Putin’s, or KJU’s 95-100% popular majority?

        2. What’s the big cost or loss if they add a few more ballot drop boxes? Explain yourself.

          Paying for stuff isn’t a crime. Explain who you’re going to steal from in order to provide them for free.

      2. Who do you think you’re fooling with your nonsense?

        You new here? Anal Vainman has been at this since the Iraq war was big news.

    3. Democrats are “putting their thumb on the scale” by making it easier to vote by mail.

      There’s another way of wording that.

      1. The left:
        – canceled in person debate with weak excuse
        – freaks out that their nominee’s network sponsored campaign event now has another network hosting his competitor, the sitting president
        – employed social media oligarchs to censor a damaging news story
        – are whining that voting isn’t easy enough

        And Reason, watching the press and corporate establishment run cover for one candidate and attempt to suppress the other, is fully on board.

    4. Democrats are “putting their thumb on the scale” by making it easier to vote by mail. Republicans are putting their thumb on the scale by making it harder.

      This has nothing to do with Republican vs Democrat. The purpose of elections is to achieve good governance, and how voting is conducted should be weighted against that.

      Furthermore, government makes a lot of things a lot harder. I spend hours every year just dealing with taxes. Why should voting be easier than a tax return? Why should deadlines for voting be less strict than for tax returns?

      How about you engage in rational arguments for a change, rather than blind partisanship?

      1. How about you engage in rational arguments for a change […]

        Like whining that voting should be as hard as taxes?

        That said… I have months to do my taxes. I get all the paperwork by the end of January, then I just need to allot a few hours of my time within the next two and a half months and I’m done. And if I miss that deadline, I can file for an extension pretty easily.

        I can file my taxes online or through the mail, without being required or expected to go in-person to any place, I can track whether the IRS has accepted my returns online, and so-on.

        Heck, I can even pay someone else to do it for me!

        That’s… actually a lot easier then voting. More flexibility at basically every step. I’ve never had to wait in line to file my taxes, never had tax monitors scrutinize what I’m wearing, never had tax monitors tell me that I got a mis-print, and I’m at the wrong tax office, never had politicians narrow the time frame I need to pay my taxes for partisan reasons, never had a deluge of court cases over when and how I’ll pay my taxes right up until April 15th…

        So… yeah. Let’s make voting as easy as paying taxes. I’m for that plan.

        Hell, let’s consolidate ’em! I bet if your taxes were only accepted if they included your ballot we’d suddenly find voter suppression tactics would disappear over night.

        1. I bet if your taxes were only accepted if they included your ballot we’d suddenly find voter suppression tactics would disappear over night.

          Yes, compulsory voting would certainly eliminate voter suppression…

          Seriously, can you go literally 2 sentences without advocating for totalitarianism you psychopathic piece of fucking shit? Go eat shit and die you bootlicking thug manqué

          1. I mean, there was a whole lot of sentences before the final two paragraphs, and they didn’t advocate for anything.

            That said, you need to up your game. I’ve been called far worse by far better.

            1. I mean, there was a whole lot of sentences before the final two paragraphs, and they didn’t advocate for anything.

              Your bad attempt at high school freshman florid language to rationalize your desire for compulsory voting enforced by the IRS was certainly appreciated, don’t ever think it wasn’t.

              1. You really are a strange little internet creature, aren’t you?

        2. Hell, let’s consolidate ’em! I bet if your taxes were only accepted if they included your ballot we’d suddenly find voter suppression tactics would disappear over night.

          I’m all for it: consolidated voting and tax returns. Glad we have reached an agreement.

      2. The purpose of elections is to achieve good governance

        i literally lold

    5. In California the GOP is trying to make it easier by providing ballot drop boxes but the democrats who made that possible by a bad law they created are now crying fowl and trying to stop the ballot drop boxes. So who is trying to suppress who? or is it whom no one cares

      1. The California GOP is acting… weird.

        The ballot harvesting that they’re trying to excuse the boxes under has strict rules. The person “harvesting” the ballot has to sign it there with the person who’s ballot it is, and they have a strict time limit on turning it in.

        The “ballot boxes” the GOP set-up, which they are claiming is legit under that law, don’t follow this. It’s just an unsecured box, falsely claiming to be “official”, that you drop your ballot in. In no way, shape or form did they even try to adhere to the law.

        And it’s not like their ballot boxes are actually secure or anything… actual ballot boxes have secure locations, monitoring, etc. and so-on. The state GOP did nothing of the sort for their “ballot boxes”. They only moved them inside of buildings when the hubub started.

        I mean, it wouldn’t have been hard to comply. Have someone sit with the box, sign the envelop when it’s handed over, drop it in the box and turn it in on time. But instead, they chose to set up unsupervised, unsecured boxes that falsely claimed to be official.

        All of which is to say… this was not a good faith effort. It’s lawsuit bait and a stunt. They had no intention of following the law, and are just acting out because they think they’ll be able to make Democrats look bad.

        1. All of which is to say… this was not a good faith effort. It’s lawsuit bait and a stunt. They had no intention of following the law, and are just acting out because they think they’ll be able to make Democrats look bad.

          Let’s hope it’s working.

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  10. Fact checking for Eric, who clearly doesn’t have time to watch any Trump rallies, or read his twitter feed:
    Trump is a strong supporter of absentee ballots.
    What he opposes is mail out ballots, where the registrar indiscriminately mails out either actual ballots, or solicitation for a request, without any attempt to confirm addresses or identities.

    The whole term “mail in ballots'” is a fabrication defined by the socialists to conflate a validated request for an individual ballot with fraud-likely mass marketing type mailouts.

    But why let journalism mess up “the narrative”?

    1. They want to make Absentee ballots and mail in ballots sound like the same thing.

      We all know they are not.

      This stupid plan to steal the election wont work for Democrats.

  11. ” But it’s also ugly, cynical, and corrosive to the legitimacy of elections which in no way should discourage citizens from acknowledging and acting on the reality of greatly increased opportunities for voter fraud with drop-off voter boxes.” FTFY

    FFS every piece of US mail gets photographed which extends greater security to junk mail than to these unsecured drop-off boxes which have no security to discourage acts like fraudsters anonymously dumping a load of fraudulent ballots off.

    This is all about demorats expressing their disingenuous and sinister selective outrage at government obstacles appropriate for citizens exercising one of their fundamental rights.

    1. No chance at all that the drop box ballots are ‘reviewed’ against the voter registration and the ballots of one party are filtered out, right?

      1. Don’t let the lack of evidence get in the way of a good ol’ conspiracy theory.

        1. “We couldn’t find a shred of the evidence that we made it illegal to look for!”

          1. Lol. You really are on a roll today. A being wrong roll.

            https://apnews.com/article/f5f6a73b2af546ee97816bb35e82c18d

  12. The advocacy of mail-in balloting has nothing to do with Covid-19. The Democrats need the votes of the ignorant and lazy.

    People who are basically uninvolved in politics are being encouraged to vote. What little, if any, political knowledge they have comes from Twitter and CNN. What these people hear is “Republicans want to stop the Democrats from giving you stuff.”

    Normally, these people wouldn’t bother to vote or even ask for an absentee ballot. They will now decide the election.

    1. That’s the factor I’m afraid of, far overshadowing fraud.

    2. “I love the poorly educated”

    3. Basically, this.

      Fraud is a concern, but no more so than any other election (speaking from the state of the 700-ballots-found-in-a-backroom-to-reverse-the-governers-race-outcome here).

      What the Dems don’t want to admit publicly is that they need to reduce obstacles to voting to zero if they hope to get the turnout they need to elect Biden. Much of their base doesn’t have the enthusiasm to stick a piece of snail mail in their own mailbox and flip the flag by Nov 3rd, let alone actually get off their couch to drive somewhere and stand in line for 15 min.

      Republicans, OTOH, know that many Trump supporters would crawl across COVID infected broken glass to cast their ballot so get to control the talking points on this.

  13. There are plenty of places to vote, and plenty of opportunities. It’s not gamemanship you stupid fuck. Asking a county to suddenly drum up drop off boxes that need to be secure and monitored is ludicrous. Get over yourselves, get out and vote. Wear a mask if it makes you feel better. But whining about it just makes you look like a fucking cuck.

    1. We can’t whine about active threats to the right to vote. We simply do not have the time as long as somewhere there’s a trans person who wants to use the bathroom.

  14. Republicans like being told how it is right? Here’s how it is- your “ideas” (not that you have many at all) are shit. You’d be relegated to the dustbin of history if we had sane voting in place.

    1. You’re right: conservatives are losing. Progressives and democratic socialists are winning.

      Why this makes you happy is, however, difficult to understand. The 20th century is littered with countries that went down that path: Russia, Germany, Venezuela, Cuba, etc.

      That’s the future you want for the US. You’re going to get it. I hope you’ll enjoy it.

      1. Russia is an oligarchy, and is the model government for Trump’s ambition.

        1. Yes, by all means keep running with that. It’s really resonating with voters this time!

          1. You should read the final senate intel report on Russia 2016.

            The highlights:
            1. Stone as the intermediary between Trump campaign and Wikileaks. They have the messages showing this. Pretty coincidental how Trump commuted Stone’s sentence, but did not pardon. Thus preserving his 5th amendment right to continue to betray the constitution and people of the US.
            2. Hundreds of undisclosed contacts between Trump campaign and known Russian spies.
            3. 10 counts of obstruction by Trump previously disclosed in Mueller Report were material and effectively thwarted additional evidence gathering.

            and more…

        2. [De Oppresso Liber] Russia is an oligarchy, and is the model government for Trump’s ambition.

          I’m sorry, I keep forgetting that there are a lot of historically illiterate people on this board. I wasn’t talking about Russia today, I was talking about the Russian revolution, the end of the Weimar Republic, the Cuban revolution and the election of Hugo Chavez. I suggest you look these up.

          And I’d much rather live under an oligarchy or even a monarchy than in a socialist state; socialist states are the worst.

      2. That is when I leave my beloved country = going too far down the path toward Russia, Germany, Venezuela, Cuba, etc.

      3. Conservatives are not losing which is why Trump was elected and more and more non-Whites are voting Trump in 2020.

        Democrat Party is clearly the Party of violent Socialists and more and more Americans wont vote for that.

        1. Even if Trump eeks out another win, the situation is pretty dire. It’s mostly privileged, ignorant, indoctrinated middle class Americans who go for the socialist crap, together with a growing underclass of government dependent welfare recipients, a growing class of government employees, and a growing number of racists: all those go for the Democrats and democratic socialism.

    2. You’d be relegated to the dustbin of history if we had sane voting in place.

      Will you agree to accept the results of the 2016 election at some point? LMFAO.

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  16. Way to slip in the “both sides” argument into the last sentence. As if efforts to make sure ballots count is on par with efforts to limit a person’s ability to vote. But hey, as GOPer Mike Lee says, Democracy isn’t all that important.

    1. Mike Lee has all sorts of screwy ideas, because he’s Mormon. He shouldn’t be able to drive a car let alone be allowed to represent people.

  17. What’s the waiting period to fact-check this article before it can be shared on Facebook/Twitter/Youtube?

  18. Efforts To Limit Ballot Drop-Off Boxes Are Cynical Electoral Gamesmanship

    The “Cynical Electoral Gamesmanship” is instituting spur-of-the-moment mail-in voting and allowing voters to return ballots so early for no good reason.

    Democrats have massively and deliberately f*cked up the US voting system. It’s a brazen attack on the foundations of American democracy.

    1. Remind me which head of which party installed his buddy, massive campaign contributor, and major investor in USPS competitors to the head of USPS, then subsequently dismantled the USPS’s auto-sorting capability?

      1. Literally nobody because that’s a thing that didn’t happen that you completely and totally made up? Or to be more accurate, somebody about 65 IQ points higher than you made up and posted on Democratic Underground where you copied and pasted it into dozens of different free-to-register comment sections in exchange for your 50 cents.

        1. Wrong. Dejoy is the correct answer. He was just forced to divest because it was found he had clear conflicts of interest. He also donated over $400,000 to the GOP in his last disclosure.

          https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2020/10/15/louis-dejoy-forced-to-divest-from-xpo-logistics-former-company-postal-service-contractor/#5b5812bb17be

          How’s that sub 65 IQ treating you?

      2. The USPS should be shut down. The sooner the better.

  19. But voters who requested absentee ballots will have to either put them in the mail or return them to a single location

    PUT THEM IN THE MAIL?!?!?! AAAAAAUUUGGGGGGHHHHHHH!!!!!! RACIST!!!!

    1. They’re trying to sabotage the mail too.

      1. Your citations fell off again Tony.

        1. It was pretty widely covered whenTrump put Louis DeJoy in charge of the post office. He wanted to reduce hours to slowdown the mail. A court ruled they had to wait till after the election to implement the changes.

          Putting aside the election I still think it’s absurd to screw with the mail. We’re in a pandemic where we’re encouraged to stay home and limit interaction with others. So many people are ordering things through the mail. Food, medications, school supplies, and other important things are being sent thru the mail.
          Overall the pandemic caused people to send less mail, but it’s still a crappy time to mess with the mail.
          It just seems like common sense to not cut the postal budget until the pandemic is over.
          I know conservatives don’t always have good common sense. It seemed like the majority of reason commenters didn’t see a problem with SEVENTEEN YEAR OLD Kyle Rittenhouse going armed to a civil disturbance/protest/riot to “protect businesses.” That had bad idea written all over it just like screwing with the mail during a pandemic(especially with the election).

  20. I don’t think people are worrying enough about what Trump is going to do during his (potential) lame duck period. That’s three months of being a loser with nukes.

    John, you’re insane. What do you figure he’ll do?

    1. He gonna start WWIII again amirite?

      1. Tony is a Russian bot. No worries.

      2. He just endorsed the extrajudicial execution of a suspect because of his alleged political affiliation, so you tell me.

        1. Ok, here goes.

          Source?

  21. This may have been noted already, but the reasonable requirements for vote drop off include that the boxes be secure against break in and secured against theft. Such boxes, and appropriate locations are likely to be in short supply (US Mail boxes generally having been removed quite a while back. In Utah, where I live, there seems to be a reasonable number of ballot drop off boxes, generally installed a few years ago. The closest to me is at the local city hall/police station in a well lit parking lot, where it is accessible for both drive through and walk up. It is attached to the concrete sidewalk.

    Note that such arrangements still are insecure against some kinds of ballot fraud that has been practiced from time to time in the US and probably other places going back well over a century.

    1. Vote in person and dont wear a mask.

      I have yet to wear a mask. Georgia doesnt mandate masks as the requirement is unconstitutional.

      1. Even though your dear fuhrer got Covid you won’t wear a mask?
        It would be funny if you weren’t endangering others.

        When Trump loses I’m going to find you on here andask was it worth risking your health to back the losing candidate?

    2. Americans should be required to vote in person, on paper, with government ID. Exemptions should only be granted for medical reasons.

      1. Why should we be required to vote in person(nevermind Covid)? I really am interested in your reasons. For how much Repubicans complain about mail voting and voter id there’s never been evidence of significant fraud. What Trump mentioned during the first debate wasnt fraud. Republicans want to make it harder to vote, and Dems want to make it easier. Shouldn’t we encourage more people to vote? If that puts the GOP at a disadvantage that’s their fault for not having popular policies.

        My state has voted exclusively by mail for two decades. Turnout is high and it’s popular with both parties. Each state can run its election. What you want sounds like big federal government overreach.
        Why should we need IDs? There’s no evidence of voter fraud affecting elections. If someone doesn’t have ID it costs money to get one. It shouldn’t cost money to vote.

        The most recent noteworthy case was election fraud comitted by Republicans in North Carolina’s 9th district 2018 race.

        1. Why should we be required to vote in person? I really am interested in your reasons.

          The traditional reasons:

          – it ensures that the ballot is delivered to the vote counters
          – it prevents coercion and manipulation of voters while voting
          – it prevents vote selling
          – it keeps the ballot secret

          If that puts the GOP at a disadvantage that’s their fault for not having popular policies. … Shouldn’t we encourage more people to vote?

          Well, that’s the progressive belief: government exists to implement popular policies, and the more voters the better. As Bernays put it:

          The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, and our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of…. It is they who pull the wires that control the public mind.

          You start with an incorrect conception of what government ought to be and then design a voting system around it. And you reflect the typical progressive attitude that the country is filled with “rednecks” who need to be manipulated into voting in the way that elites know is best for them.

          My state has voted exclusively by mail for two decades. Turnout is high and it’s popular with both parties.

          Washington State has been firmly in Democratic hands since 1988; it’s effectively a single party state. Mail-in voting is popular in single party states because there really is no real competition anymore.

          Each state can run its election. What you want sounds like big federal government overreach.

          Constitutionally, the federal government guarantees a republican form of government in each member state of the union. So states are not free to run their election as they want if they want to remain part of the United States.

          Furthermore, the union of the states into the United States is a voluntary association that can be dissolved, and if you think that the rest of the country is going to let itself be governed by the “popular policies” preferred by wealthy urban dwellers, you are mistaken. Long term, I don’t see California and NYC remaining in the same union as what they refer to as “flyover country”.

  22. Depending on the size and area of a county having only one ballot box can create a hassle for some. I doubt setting up and maintaining these ballot boxes cost much. This is just an attempt to make it harder to vote. Why does one party wanna make it harder to vote? The other wants to make it easier. In my state we’ve voted by mail since 2000 and when you go to the DMV they register unless you ask them not to.

    Maybe if the GOP needs to rely on people not voting to be successful they should examine their policies. They already have an advantage in the Senate and EC. The inbred shit kickers in god forsaken rural shitholes wouldn’t vote for Jesus himself if he had a D next to his name, so those votes are safe. If the GOP actually supported limited government without pandering to racists or religious kooks they could attract a lot of moderates and independents. There’s way more of those than the ultra right nutjobs who’d abandon the GOP if they became less Trump like.

    I look forward to the 2022 elections when so many Republicans who licked Trump’s butt are saying things like “I opposed Trump’s takeover of our party and never bowed down to him.” The idiot right wingers will believe them because they believe anything as long as a Republican said it.
    I don’t see any Republicans bringing up Lindsey Graham’s disdain for Trump in 15 and 16 or “using his words against him.”

    I know it’s foolish to be hopeful. If any of the ultra right Trump lovers had brains or independent thoughts they wouldn’t be ultra right Trump lovers.

    1. Maybe if the GOP needs to rely on people not voting to be successful they should examine their policies. They already have an advantage in the Senate and EC. The inbred shit kickers in god forsaken rural shitholes wouldn’t vote for Jesus himself if he had a D next to his name, so those votes are safe.

      Why do you think anybody wants to be governed by people with nasty beliefs like yours? Why would anybody want to remain in a union with states filled with people who think like you?

      I know it’s foolish to be hopeful. If any of the ultra right Trump lovers had brains or independent thoughts they wouldn’t be ultra right Trump lovers.

      Says the guy who promotes failed, destructive, racist policies; who is obviously ignorant politics, history, and economics, while at the same time being obnoxiously certain of your convictions and brilliance.

      Ignorant and stupid people like you sooner or later win, take over a country, and destroy it. It’s happened hundreds of times before, and it’s going to happen in the US. I hope we can still delay it by a few decades, but I fear it is likely going to happen sooner rather than later.

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  24. “to require that mail-in ballots received by November 6 be counted, as long as the ballots were not mailed after Election Day… is a subtle way of advantaging one way of voting over another” — how does this advantage mail-in voting over in-person voting? Both must be done by Election Day. So no, this effort by Democrats it not “like what Republicans are doing in Texas”. It is not an effort to make voting _harder_ for anyone.

  25. “judges have effectively rewritten the state’s election laws to require that mail-in ballots received by November 6 be counted, as long as the ballots were not mailed after Election Day. Like what Republicans are doing in Texas, this is a subtle way of advantaging one way of voting over another.”

    So to recap: A vote cast on election day, aka not mailed after Election Day, is no different than the blatant voter fraud of discarding legitimate votes and the election fraud of making it next to operationally impossible to cast a mail an absentee ballot during a pandemic.

    Good to know.

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