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Congress Wants To Regulate Big Tech. They Still Don't Understand It.

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Congress proves how shallow and absurd its anti-tech agenda is. Political preening, petty grievances, and a terrifying cluelessness ruled House lawmakers' Thursday questioning of the chief executives of Amazon, Apple, Facebook, and Google.

During the hearing, Democrats and Republicans on the House Judiciary Committee took turns offering a series of stern looks and fiery (if unsupported by anything more than anecdote) allegations about the illegal, un-American, cop-hating, Communist-supporting, Russian disinformation-spreading, election-throwing, child-abuse-enabling, small-business-quashing, app-suppressing, mob-like, conspiracy-minded, all-powerful behaviors of America's most valuable companies.

Lawmakers barely let the tech CEOs—Amazon's Jeff Bezos, Apple's Tim Cook, Google's Sundar Pichai, and Facebook's Mark Zuckerberg—get a few words out between their wild accusations. And they quickly glossed over any complicated issues, clearly preferring to spend their allotted questioning time getting good video clips of themselves.

As Reason's Eric Boehm and Robby Soave explained in posts yesterday, lawmakers spent the time "using the threat of antitrust action to try to force tech firms to take sides" in political battles and couldn't even keep straight which companies they were mad at for which things.

It was almost enough to make you feel for Zuckerberg, even (almost). Certainly, poor Cook didn't belong there. And—whatever legitimate (and diverse) issues there are with some of the ways their companies do business—none of them deserved the insults and inanity they were subjected to yesterday.

The telehearing stretched on for hours, over the course of which it became abundantly clear that Democrats and Republicans are often diametrically opposed in their grievances while acting like satisfying them is only a matter of tech leaders choosing to do the Right Thing. Neither side admitted that acting as it wished would run afoul of the supposedly simple and common-sense things their opponents wanted "Big Tech" to do.

The most dramatic of these tensions involves web content moderation. It's not that far off to say Democrats want these companies to suppress more content and Republicans want them to allow more content without question.

Democrats are worried about "hate speech" and disinformation; Republicans are worried about being labeled as hate speech or disinformation.

Even within the same side and sometimes the same individual, there were contradictory complaints about tech companies and implications about what they should do.

For instance, when it came to marketplaces like Apple's app and podcast stores, or Amazon more broadly, some committee members acted as if it was dangerously anti-competitive for these companies to reject many podcasts, apps, goods, etc., or to give preferential treatment to their own products and services. Yet Bezos and Cook were also excoriated by lawmakers for failing to completely weed out misleading, offensive, or counterfeit items.

Neither Republicans nor Democrats on the committee would acknowledge the huge tension between expecting tech platforms to be open marketplaces in order to foster competition, avoid discrimination, eschew bias, and satisfy (a perverted version of) antitrust law while simultaneously expecting them to actively thwart spammers, scammers, fakers, foreign influence, sex ads, bigotry, and all the other bad things.

And neither Democrats nor Republicans seemed at all keen on letting these private companies make business decisions as they see fit, with politicians from both parties describing their basic business activities (like trying to improve products, keeping up with current tech trends, etc.) as nefarious conspiracies.

"Undoubtedly, the motivation for many politicians on both sides of the aisle" with anti-tech stuff "is to score political points for standing up to big corporations. Such a David and Goliath narrative plays well on the campaign trail," notes Casey Given at the Washington Examiner.

In order for them to be the good guys, they need tech leaders to be bad guys.

But keep in mind that this wasn't just some lark—the committee launched this investigation "more than a year ago," with the alleged objectives of "document[ing] competition problems in the digital economy" and evaluating "whether the current antitrust framework is able to properly address them."

If yesterday was any indication, it is not.

None of the tech-company docs they dug through or other investigative measures seem to have yielded new or damning information about Apple, Amazon, Facebook, or Google. A handful of gripes from these companies' competitors or customers was almost all Congress offered by way of "evidence." And most of yesterday's questions weren't even about antitrust concerns but election integrity, Section 230, content moderation, stopping crime, protecting civil liberties, etc.

Lawmakers yesterday repeatedly demonstrated a lack of understanding about communications law as it exists and how tech products work.

Rep. Matt Gaetz (R–Fla.) asked if any of them opposed "American values" and demanded a pledge to continue working with police.

Rep. Kelly Armstrong (R–N.D.), bless his heart, was the only member who asked how tech companies are going to protect user data from the police. Armstrong also pointed out that privacy laws can actually help big, entrenched businesses and burden or stop smaller competitors.

Anyway, if you want some quick and potent evidence that this was all about partisan mudslinging, scapegoating, and trying to use search engines, social media, and tech marketplaces to their respective party's advantage, check out the House Judiciary Democrats and House Judiciary GOP Twitter feeds.

The bottom line, as Boehm wrote yesterday: "Wednesday's hearing of the House Judiciary Committee was more about theatrics than seriously considering the use of antitrust law. Perhaps that's because it's somewhat ridiculous to argue with a straight face that Google or Amazon are actually monopolies, or because it's quite obvious that consumers who dislike Apple's or Facebook's products are perfectly free to give their time, money, and business to competitors on or off the web."

One more thing: in all the culture war and political posturing, we often overlook the fact that media businesses—emphasis on the business part there—are pushing political investigations and government regulations out of animosity toward tech companies cutting into their ad revenue and audiences. We shouldn't:


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  1. Column: Something grows in the big cities run by Democrats: An overwhelming sense of lawlessness
    https://www.chicagotribune.com/columns/john-kass/ct-federal-agents-chicago-lightfoot-kass-20200722-x5shq556ynew5hoteoaw4abpuq-story.html

    President Donald Trump is sending federal law enforcement into the big cities run by Democratic mayors, where murder and gang shootings are out of control and where once vibrant downtown areas are on their way to becoming ghost towns.

    And naturally, the Democratic mayors, backing Joe Biden, are on the defensive, upset that the president might win political advantage, even as the mayors feud with their own police departments, as the violence rises in their towns, as children are gunned down.

    But these Democratic cities are also where left-wing billionaire George Soros has spent millions of dollars to help elect liberal social justice warriors as prosecutors. He remakes the justice system in urban America, flying under the radar.

    The Soros-funded prosecutors, not the mayors, are the ones who help release the violent on little or no bond.

    1. https://twitter.com/WhiteHovse/status/1267649911190781952

      Richmond Police chief breaks down after rioters intentionally set a home on fire with a child inside of it. The rioters then used vehicles to block firefighters from reaching the home.

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      2. That child was one human being.
        George Floyd was one human being.

        This is the first I’ve heard of this child.
        I can’t stop hearing about George Floyd.

        Is there a difference I’m missing?

        1. The kid is not a convicted felon?

          1. Was the kid’s suffering caught on video?

      3. How about a link to an actual news story about what happened rather than a twat.

        1. the tweet contains the actual news story

      4. Did they try telling the child that the protesters were burning him alive peacefully?

        1. Mostly peaceful child sacrifice.

    2. Wait wait but I thought the Federal agents were just supposed to be protecting Federal property. Now they are supposed to be beat cops?

      1. Instead of asking stupid fucking questions, read an article on Operation Legend. They are assisting officers dummy.

        1. Libertarians for federal police on every corner!

          1. Progressives for the unlawful destruction of minority owned homes and businesses in poor communities!!!

          2. Progressives for lynch mobs and witch burning.

      2. Hey chemtard, read up on the LA riots sometime.

      3. Trump/Barr’s Operation Legend would send Federal officers in to essentially be beat cops. It is worth reading up on. Of course, JesseAz could have said that without throwing in personal insults.

    3. Good little cultist.

      Remember, the focus is to be on “crime” in “democrat cities run by extremists”, and not “150,000 Americans dead from our unique among first world nations failure to control corona virus.”

      Try to link video and images of buildings that are burning during Trump’s presidency, but caption them with dumb shit like “this is what you get in Biden’s America.”

      Doesn’t matter if it makes sense or not, our targets are dumb as fuck.

      1. “Trump didn’t stop our blue cities from burning, but if we did we’d call him a tyrant anyway!”

        Stuff your kafkatrap up your ass.

        1. Don’t forget to talk about insecure elections, but don’t bring up foreign interference. Act like mail in voting is new or controversial. Try to squeeze in some suggestion that elections should be “postponed” “until we can figure this out”.

          Also, try to remind everyone that Putin is a super cool daddy.

          https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-says-did-not-question-putin-russian-bounties/

          1. “foreign interference”

            1. I told you our targets were dumb, komrad.

              1. Speaking from experience?

      2. Hernan Cain paid for his stupidity with his life. You can’t fix stupid but it can die.

        1. Definitely don’t talk about GOP blocking three different election security and anti corruption bills when you talk about unconstitutionally delaying elections because of insecure elections.

          https://thehill.com/homenews/house/482569-senate-gop-blocks-three-election-security-bills

          1. It’s like something out of 1984 and that’s not hyperbole.

            1. From the fucking article:
              “Blackburn accused Democrats of trying to move the bills knowing that GOP lawmakers would block them and giving them fodder for fundraising efforts.
              “They are attempting to bypass this body’s Rules Committee on behalf of various bills that will seize control over elections from the states and take it from the states and where do they want to put it? They want it to rest in the hands of Washington, D.C., bureaucrats,”

              So they weren’t actually “blocking three different election security and anti corruption bills” but stopping Dems from stealing control of the elections from the states.
              You fucking idiots really think nobody will check your bullshit cites.

              It’s out of 1984 all right, but it’s your fucking team who was Big Brother here.

        2. Everyone who get sick and dies is because they were stupid now.

      3. “from our unique among first world nations failure”

        Lol, Spain and Italy are just figments of the imagination, right DOL?
        And the vast majority of the Coronavirus deaths lay in the hands of the Dem Governors who had the actual power. Like your precious Cuomo whose fuckups killed the most.

        Your so mind-bogglingly dishonest.

        1. He said first world, those are browns so they don’t count to DOL as first world.

        2. What a high bar you guys set.

          “We’re not the absolute worst. If you look at the numbers in just the right light, you will see some might be worse!”

          1. I’m a Canadian, so “we’re” doing just fine. You, not so much though.
            You’ve fudged the numbers, misattributed who has the ability to control most Covid-related policy and lied about the fact that the US is actually in the middle of the pack and is not at all “unique”.

      4. COVID deaths were declining steadily in the USA from mid-April to early July, even as many states reopened and many young people hit the beach for Memorial Day.

        Then the mass protest super-spreader event caused a predictable spike in cases, and now a spike in deaths. Masks aren’t all that effective (Californians were wearing masks throughout and still had a case spike after the protests), but avoiding crowds and social distancing are still important.

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  2. https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1288697651941146626
    Residents are driving Black Lives Matter protesters out of Springfield, Oregon.

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    One of the organizers just said “They should have gave us what we should do here, because it’s different than Portland”

    They are panicking because they don’t know what to do and don’t have control over the crowd

    1. https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1288704795105099776

      Springfield, Oregon residents are taking videos and photos of all the Antifa and Black Lives Matter license plates and chant “Whose street? Our street.”

      BLM agitators promise to be back tomorrow. Give the residents some back up if you can make it to the area.

      1. https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1288704313355694080

        The Black Lives Matter agitator, who wants to abolish the police, demands that the police help them leave. Pathetic.

        Springfield residents:

        “And now you want the cops.”

        “You want to defund them and now you want their help. Oh hi I’m in danger help me officer.”

      2. Springfield is right next to the crustpunk haven of Eugene, so things are going to be spicy there for a while.

        1. They also went to Thurston and got chased out.

          This goes back to what I said a few weeks ago–as long as they’re shitting up their own nest, whatever. When they come to your neighborhood to stir shit, you better turn out in force to chase them out, and be prepared to do it repeatedly. They aren’t there to be peaceful; they’re in your town to show that they won’t leave you alone and can force you to comply to their ideology.

          They’re your streets, not theirs. Make it known that their efforts to de-stablize your community won’t be tolerated.

          1. “We’ll be back tomorrow”.

            What happens then will be enlightening about the country we live in. If there’s something still worth having, those residents are taking that 24 hours to load magazines.

            1. Antifa invading Thurston and getting Mario-stomped in response would be absolutely delightful.

    2. Again, throwing around the label “Black Lives Matter protestors” with no more evidence than some guy said they were on Twitter.

      1. That’s the thing about heavily decentralized organizations like that, who’s to say who’s “real” BLM and who isn’t?

        Do we just make that determination after seeing if their behavior is acceptable or not?

        1. No, you simply use accurate descriptions of what was actually seen/what is actually known:
          – If a bunch of protestors did something, and there is no connection with BLM, you don’t mention BLM.
          – If a bunch of protestors did something, and some of them had signs or t-shirts that said “Black Lives Matter”, or were shouting, “Black Lives Matter”, you describe exactly that: Some protestors in the crowd had signs that said “Black Lives Matter”.
          – If someone did something at a protest event that was officially organized and promoted by Black Live Matter, you can say that.
          – If an actual Black Lives Matter official did or said something, you can talk about that.

          I’d suggest reading Robert A. Heinlein’s “Stranger in a Strange Land”, where one of the characters describes her training as a “Fair Witness”, learning to report only what she really did witness.

          1. You could see the BLM membership cards in their back pockets.

            1. Way to mischaracterize what I said.

          2. I’ve read plenty of Heinlein. I’m not sure where you get the idea that anyone in our media would have any interest in being a Fair Witness.

            1. I’m not asking the media to be accurate about supplementing what is actually know with their own perceptions and embellishments. I’m asking commenters here not to do it.

              1. And you’ve been told to fuck off repeatedly.

      2. “What Mafia? There’s no Mafia here. We’re just a bunch of nice people trying to make a living.”

      3. In Portland they’re just professional protestors, who soon will have to live on 400 less a week.

  3. Political preening, petty grievances, and a terrifying cluelessness ruled House lawmakers’ Thursday questioning of the chief executives of Amazon, Apple, Facebook, and Google.

    I really thought this time it would be different.

    1. Fist, man you are slacking the last few days

      1. Slowdown strike in solidarity with the teachers union?

    2. Said Charlie Brown to Lucy as she pulled away the football yet again.

    3. You know what would be different? If the nightmare fantasies of all the socialists were true, and corporations ruled the world. Then the CEOs could summon congressmen to THEIR hearing, and use that as a forum to yell accusations about the stupid dysfunctions of government. Which might be more true.

      1. “I don’t know how to say this, but maybe in this mixed-up, topsy-turvy world of ours, they should take all the quote ‘sane’ people and lock them up and let all the psychopaths out of the asylums to run the world. No, I guess on second thought, that’s a bad idea…”

  4. https://townhall.com/columnists/kurtschlichter/2020/07/30/democrat-liars-are-barely-even-trying-to-fool-us-anymore-n2573337

    The media tries to help disguise what is actually happening, not just in terms of blaming Trump, but in terms of covering up the essential insignificance of the chaos they are trying to generate. It’s not like people are going to buy the notion that these toxic Portland layabouts were just minding their own business being productive members of society when the courthouse rolled up on them and dumped out a bunch of federal officers who forced these honor students and Eagle Scouts into helmets, gave them shields, lasers, and Molotov cocktails, and compelled them, against their will, to try to torch the place.

    1. They are victims!

    2. The media has no shame. The average American believes 9% of people in america have died of Covid. This is why Jeff is afraid and eating cookies more than usual.

      1. I’m sure you can produce a link to this study.

        What I found is that most Republicans are still choosing to believe it is a hoax, just as Trump instructed them to. Funny how every first world country without a GOP is able to control corona virus.

        Coincidence? No.

        https://www.marketwatch.com/story/roughly-1-in-3-americans-thinks-the-coronavirus-hasnt-killed-as-many-people-as-has-been-reported-2020-07-21

        1. What I found is that most Republicans are still choosing to believe it is a hoax

          If you ever posted a link without lying, it would be the first time.

          1. “Lying” = having a difference of opinion from the Trump mean girls

            1. “Lying” = Claiming the source said something other than what it said.

            2. Right. And we definitely can’t make any assumptions about protesters. They could be lockdown protesters rioting! We just don’t know! Haha

          2. “Most Republicans in this survey (59%) believe that the death count is inflated”

            “Where people get their news also appears to play a role in determining whether they buy the official coronavirus data or not. Fox News viewers, who tend to be more conservative, are the most likely to say that these deaths have been overblown. That opinion spiked from 44% to 62% over the past couple of months.”

            “The president has also repeatedly downplayed the severity of the virus, such as saying it will ‘go away’ or ‘disappear’ in time. He told Charles Wallace on Fox just last Sunday that ‘I’ll be right eventually …. It’s going to disappear.'”

            Can you connect the dots now?

            1. That doesn’t mean they think it’s a hoax, you moron. That means they believe the death totals aren’t accurate.

              And considering states like Colorado ended up revising their numbers back a few weeks ago to distinguish between people who died FROM COVID versus people who had died WITH COVID, that belief is clearly not out of bounds.

            2. But we know for a fact the count IS inflated. The CDC admits as much on their website.

            3. I get my news from the LA county, Ventura County and orange county medical officials. They have stated that anybody testing positive for covid antibodies is being counted as a covid death, even if a person dies of an od or car accident. The only reason I believe the numbers are inflated is because the people making the numbers tell me they are inflating them.

            4. The death count is definitely inflated – Florida has been busted for reporting heart attacks and motorcycle fatalities as COVID-19 deaths. Question is, is it a minor fudging around the edges, or statistically significant?
              Follow the incentives: does the hospital get extra ca$h if they report it as a covid-19 death?

        2. Here you go, ass hat.

          https://www.kekstcnc.com/media/2793/kekstcnc_research_covid-19_opinion_tracker_wave-4.pdf

          Now you give us the numbers of deaths per 100,000 for all those first world countries (which might not include NYC).

          1. A poll of 1000 people by a marketing company with a huge calculated margin of error is what you guys decide to trust, but not reams of data from scientists and doctors?

            Does it strike you as incredibly obvious that you select information based on whether or not it fits your preferred view of reality, rather than the quality of the data?

            1. but not reams of data from scientists and doctors?

              Except that it’s not reams of data from scientists and doctors. It’s guesswork from civil servants correlating deaths with Covid cases.

              You’re so fucking dishonest with everything you say here.

            2. According to statista, there are 7 countries in the top ten covid-19 deaths count per million list that are first world countries.

              The US is at number 8. Largely due to the death counts in NY and NJ.

              Get rid of those and the US doesn’t make the top 20.

              1. You know other countries have cities too, right? And all of those countries have higher population density than the US. I’m sure we’d compare much worse if they get to remove their most densely populated cities from their numbers too.

                1. And you know their cities, like ours, are ruled by leftists. Only they can’t blame Trump.

        3. This–

          https://www.marketwatch.com/story/roughly-1-in-3-americans-thinks-the-coronavirus-hasnt-killed-as-many-people-as-has-been-reported-2020-07-21

          …doesn’t say this–

          “most Republicans are still choosing to believe it is a hoax”

          Not even in the link.

          The article is about people iknowing that the death count is inflated.

          They don’t think it, White Knight, they don’t ‘believe’ it. They know it. Because it’s right there in the CDC’s guidelines for reporting coronavirus deaths. And many states have followed suit.

          And this is not hidden at all. It’s not a secret–most of us are also bewildered why the media seems certain that it IS a secret.

          Why you and the rest of your ilk seem to think that a fact that can be pulled up on numerous CDC and state public health board sites in this closely guarded secret–or a right wing lie.

          1. Actually, I’m the White Knight, so not sure why you are calling DoL that. Especially, since I do remember seeing the story about Americans thinking 9% of the population have died from COVID-19. Cannot remember where I saw it, though. Might have been here.

  5. Domestic violence prosecutions have little benefit to women and in fact can harm them, but the prosecutors are very convinced they are saving women’s lives.

    I sincerely doubt they sincerely believe they are helping anything but their careers.

    1. Telling the truth is so out of character for leftists.

      1. That’s how far we have come. They don’t even hide their motivations now. And they win “prestigious ” awards for it.

        In the last 5 years the Pulitzer has awarded 1619 and the Russia hoax lies.

        1. I think she should she return the award since Pulitzer was probably* a racist.

          *couldn’t bother to look into but neither does she.

        2. The Pulitzer has no more credibility than the Nobel Peace Prize.

      2. And for rightists, too.

        1. “B-b-b-b-b0Th siDeS!”

          1. Yes, both sides.

            1. No, not really. Just your side.

    2. The president just called for delaying elections. But this is what you are concerned with. Oh, this and “crime”!

      1. Look up gas lighting. And check your symptoms.

        1. Did or did not the president call for delaying elections?

          Listen, you aren’t very smart. Flat out, there it is. We all dance around this little inconvenient political fact now a days, but the left right divide is not important anymore. The real divide is dumb/smart. This is real. I’ve linked the studies here before. Trump voters are dumb. Data confirms this, over and over.

          Sure, the data scientists dress it up with words like “cognitively challenged” or “low information voter”, but we all know what is really going on.

          All this is to say that you don’t even know how to properly use the phrase “gas light” in a sentence. And you really should, it’s a Trump trademark.

          1. If you lose to a bunch of dumb people, what does that make you?

          2. https://reason.com/2020/01/30/trump-supporters-verbal-ability/

            Trump Supporters Score Higher on Verbal Ability Tests
            And they do better on most science knowledge questions, too.

            1. All those words over a ten word vocab test instead of an IQ test.

              This one is much more in depth: https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/1948550618800494

          3. Pot, Kettle, Black, you mispelled nowadays.

      2. >>called for delaying elections

        no.

      3. He’s late to the party. Democrats called for election delays back in the spring.

      4. He called for it? What did he exactly say?

        Fucking mendacious twat.

        1. He is a mendacious twat.

        2. https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1288818160389558273

          Stop supporting a wannabe dictator. Stop being a traitor to the constitution.

    3. Let’s raise funds to send Hannah-Jones back in time (and back to the African paradise she mourns for). She can revel in the glorious mother culture untainted by whiteness.

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  7. https://twitter.com/HotlineJosh/status/1288653543075872769

    “Many teachers’ unions, while concerned about the safety of classrooms, are also fighting to limit the amount of time that teachers are required to be on video over the course of a day.”

    1. If the video is streaming on 5G, they will get infected.

      1. I heard you can catch viruses through your computer.

        1. Just wear a mask.

          1. I just wipe it with a cloth.

        2. We can’t use our computers for the next 18 – 24 months while a patch is being developed.

    2. The more of that shit they pull, the more people realize what lazy slobs most teachers are.

      Good luck with the next contract negotiation, you scumbags.

      1. Remember, they do NOT negotiate with the taxpayers, but with the politicians they put in office.

        1. Usually before the election.

    3. i saw one school will not allow a students use online classes if they don’t have all their vaccinations. what sense it that its all about selling vaccinations now and nothing more

  8. Activists push for investigation over claims China is forcibly harvesting organs of Uighur population
    Human rights activists are collecting evidence that people are killed for their organs

    https://www.foxnews.com/world/china-harvesting-organs-uighur-investigation

    1. Eh, I’m having a hard time getting bent out of shape over the Uighurs, to be honest. It’s none of our business, and anyone who thinks this is about religious suppression probably isn’t aware that there are large Chinese Muslim populations that are left completely alone by the government. That’s because they aren’t insurgents like the Uighurs are, and make an effort to integrate into larger Chinese society.

      1. The Izzies taking apart Hamas members for spare parts would be wrong too.

        I get that the Uighurs likely are just as much of an asshole as other non assimilating Muslim minority groups, but organlegging them is evil and wrong. If only because the prospect of that kind of pecuniary gain ends up perverting your legal system.

        1. Nothing wrong with being upset about it, but it’s not like international pressure means anything other than jack shit anymore. The UN was started with the intent of using it as a keystone for a quasi-world government system, but it’s been effectively neutered in that capacity for decades. Now it’s just a collection point for criminals and pedophiles to park themselves in NYC for a few years, benefitting from diplomatic immunity while they fuck around doing nothing of value.

          1. “Nothing wrong with being upset about it, but it’s not like international pressure means anything other than jack shit anymore.”

            True, though yanking China’s MFN status, and taking away their shipping subsidy if that still exists, might get their attention.

            Guess we learned the answer though to that hoary old hypothetical about what would the US do if we knew about the Nazis doing Holocaust things in the present day.

            1. True, though yanking China’s MFN status, and taking away their shipping subsidy if that still exists, might get their attention.

              It would, but it won’t happen. The US has had its tongue firmly on China’s asshole for too long, and they’ve effectively co-opted any serious efforts to roll that back through their payoffs to politicians and global megacorps.

              It’s funny, because just a generation ago, Democrats were decrying the offshoring of manufacturing to China. Then the Clintons came along, gave away the country’s military tech to China in exchange for campaign funding, and here we are.

      2. why should they have to integrate? are they not integrating like the Jews in Germany? You know China is forcing anyone of any religious group to either quit their religion or change their Bible/Koran or what ever teachings they revere to what China wants it to say

        1. That’s not accurate. As I mentioned above, there are plenty of Muslim Chinese who the government leaves alone.

          If we’re going to run with the faux outrage over this just to punk a bunch of ghetto sportsball players, you should realize that these guys don’t give a shit one way or the other, and neither does the media because it doesn’t make Trump or the Republicans look bad.

          1. Where? Where are these millions of other Chinese Muslims?

            They have done much the same to Tibet, who aren’t Muslim

            1. The Hui are the country’s largest community.

      3. Come on guys, they are only genociding the people who won’t “integrate” into communist society, so it’s not so bad!

        1. Your concern is noted.

  9. The only way we’d ever get the kind of ubiquitous COVID testing that people are dreaming about is to legalize unfettered sales of direct-to-consumer tests that one can take without the involvement of a health professional or lab.

    There are no bureaucrats in foxholes.

    1. They stay back at HQ, safe from the impact of their decisions.

    2. The only way we’d ever get the kind of ubiquitous COVID testing that people are dreaming about is to legalize unfettered sales of direct-to-consumer tests that one can take without the involvement of a health professional or lab if Congress expands protections for Google’s data collection.

      When playing 12-D Chess, always bet on black, because the house always wins.

    3. the direct-to-consumer tests were ready to go in April, but the FDA banned them

  10. https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1288762976363634688

    “I am a woman!” Juniper Simonis repeatedly screamed during the arrest in Portland. She says she is traumatized and that she was treated “like a man” by federal police.

    1. “Ow! My balls!”

    2. Equal rights, equal fights.

      1. Equal rights and equal lefts.

    3. It’s been pretty hilarious watching some of these Gen-X and Millennial female protesters find out that the Code of Chivalry doesn’t apply when you’re acting the fool. One gal in Springfield last night got bopped right in the face, and there was another gal in NYC shrieking “What the fuck are you going to do?!!?” while shoving up against them before she got arrested.

    4. Maybe a woman, but not a lady.

      1. Did she blow on some other guys dice? Or just her own?

  11. Propublica is keeping tabs on whether police getting violent with current protests are being disciplined.

    Easy work if you can get it.

    1. I actually was shocked. I’ve come to expect The Atlantic, Vox, and NYT as the “primary” sources from Reasons distinguished writers.. but ProPublica…. heh.

      1. Don’t forget CNN.

  12. https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1288710683803054081

    According to a law enforcement source, there have been 22 homicides in Portland since 1 June. In all of 2019, there were only 36 homicides. Last month,
    @tedwheeler
    dismantled the Gun Violence Reduction Team because he and others said it was unfair to blacks.

    1. Black Shooters Matter!

    2. When will people learn, we just need more government Teams and Committees and all our problems will be solved

    3. That’s always been a problem for the left. If you actually enforced half the gun laws they wanted enacted, it would just result in a lot of young black men in jail.

      Ending the War on (Some) Drugs would actually reduce both gun violence and the number of young black men in jail, but neither party has any energy for that.

  13. Negotiations in congress continue over stimulus spending.

    K Street is not the ghost town the pandemic should have made it.

    1. And yet, Congress still collects pay – coincidence?

  14. Only two counties in Tennessee have non-worrying rates of COVID-19 transmission…

    BLUE COUNTIES, I BET.

    1. New York had 32k die. They did it right. Tennessee just passed 1000. Fuckers can’t even kill old people right.

      1. All that Tennessee sippin’ whiskey must be pickling the virus cells.

    2. Only two counties in Tennessee have non-worrying rates of COVID-19 transmission…
      BECAUSE EVERYONE IS DEAD IN THISE COUNTIES!

  15. https://twitter.com/JamesOKeefeIII/status/1276148872331571204

    VERITAS: They were able to fire him without having to worry about discrimination?

    “Due diligence, right. Because he’s a white man…You can’t do it that easily if there are other issues…No one has the white man’s back anymore.” – Leslie Brown, Senior HR Business Partner, FB

    1. I do appreciate the things you post as a counter point to ENB’s morning links. But month old tweets do not serve the same value, IMHO.

  16. You, not the place where you write online, are responsible for what you write online.

    Except if you’re giving Putin a platform to make Hillary lose.

    1. And, logically, except if they pick and choose which writing gets left up and which writing gets taken down

  17. C’mon
    Did Big Tech even take a CCW class?

    1. After collecting your data from the Reason comments section, Amazon is developing a 9mm pistol equipped with the Alexa app.

        1. one case of ammonia is on its way.

          1. (BATFE breathing intensifies…)

  18. https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1288663450479075328

    This is the kind of laser pointer being used against police in Portland. They can burn a hole through paper and will permanently blind you if you get hit in the eye for even 1/8th of a second.

    1. I didn’t even know you could get a 5W handheld. Back in my college days the lab had a 5W CO2 laser that cost a fortune.

      And Cheong needs to check his math, if he thinks a dog laser is 5000 mW (i.e., 5 watts).

      1. Real Genius joke appropriate except you’re serious.

        1. I can hammer a six-inch spike through a board with my penis.

          1. “not right now” exemplary comedic timing.

            also did the stained glass help the laser be just cool enough to pop the popcorn and not melt the house?

            1. The stained glass would have instantly shattered with that much energy going through it.

    2. Of course no evidence was provided in your source that that specific instrument was being used in the manner that he suggested.

      Also he doesn’t understand basic unit conversions.

      1. Blinded officers isn’t evidence.

        1. Where is the evidence that this particular laser featured in the tweet was used to blind anyone?

          1. he said kind which also means type but maybe not exactly that one

        2. Not really but I used to have to handle worker’s comp claims so I maybe jaded.

    3. What condition does this man have that causes him to speak like that?

  19. https://twitter.com/KTAR923/status/1288532375337500672

    BREAKING: A banned former Democratic volunteer was arrested for arson Wednesday in the fire that destroyed the party’s Maricopa County headquarters in Phoenix last week.

    1. I’m curious as to what caused him to be banned in the first place.

      1. Crazy people are a problem with any campaign, but it takes a SPECIAL kind of crazy to get banned from volunteering.

      2. He didn’t start the fire, it was always burning since the world’s been turning… O wait

      3. Not sexual assault, misappropriation or fraud if he was a Dem. That’s party platform.

  20. Was Reason bought out by Twitter or something?

    1. Check: List of D.C. ‘conservatives’ in synch with Google’s lobbyist

      https://twitter.com/KTAR923/status/1288532375337500672
      “The cast of characters willing to do Google’s bidding – whether in libertarian circles or on the right proper – has grown in recent years as part of a concerted effort by Big Tech firms to buttress against real conservatives seeking to limit the power of faceless Silicon Valley censors,” Raheem Kassam and Natalie Winters wrote in a June 17 analysis for The National Pulse.

      The writers noted that The National Pulse “was provided with an exclusive leak” of a list of think tanks and activists who Google lobbyist Max Pappas reached out to following the Federalist/Zero Hedge demonetization story.


      Peter Suderman Reason Foundation

      1. “Contract or no, I will not bow to any sponsor.”

    2. What should Reason be saying about Congress’ grilling of the high-tech execs?

      1. I was referring to the number of tweets being included in the roundup nowadays. But you knew that.

        Stop being a dumb fuck.

        1. Actually, I didn’t. You weren’t explicit about what you were talking about, so I guessed that you were talking about ENB’s defense of the high-tech companies, including Twitter.

  21. Trump Tweets:
    “…Delay the Election until people can properly, securely and safely vote???”

    God Damnit Trump. Has he not read the entire week’s worth of liberal paranoia insisting that he is getting ready to seize power? There have been legitimate presidents deposed by coups for suggesting that elections be delayed.

    1. So they’re going to try again?

      1. Have you any misgivings with what Trump has suggested?

        1. Nope.
          I think it’s hilarious, and might be worth consideration.
          But we can settle with arms if you’d like

          1. Yiu take the sword and we’ll take the pen.

            1. Ask Allende and Lumumba how that turned out.

      2. I am sure that there are many, many people in the wings looking for just the excuse to do so. Trump just handed them ammo. And if he keeps this shit up, it isn’t going to be some long impeachment filled with legal maneuvering. It will be a 4 star general marching him out of the White House.

        1. Because only progressives are allowed to wage war against the US, the people, and the president, while it’s illegitimate if we fight back?
          Open your eyes, man

          1. It’s “progressives vs. America” in Nardz’s world

            Let me guess, you represent the “real America”? The one who wouldn’t mind if the state opened fire on all of the protestors in Portland?

            1. You mean marxist insurgents who openly call for a totalitarian government to replace our current constitutional republic.
              They, like you, are trash.
              Trash gets taken out

              1. Oh, so it’s “Marxist insurgents vs. America” now.
                Does every disagreement with you get reduced down to such ridiculous levels?
                “If you disagree with me, then you’re Marxist trash!”

                Keep demonstrating to all of us that the only crowd around here who is eager to start opening gulag death camps for their opponents, is you and your neo-fascist brothers

                1. But you are a hate-filled authoritarian Marxist, Jeff. Who are you trying to fool?

                2. “THEY DON’T ACTUALLY MEAN IT WHEN THEY SAY THE UNITED STATES SHOULD BE OVERTHROWN AND ARE CALLING FOR REBELLION AGAINST THE COUNTRY!”

              2. Like, the Constitution that give the President no power over when elections are held? That Constitution?

          2. How many times in human history has “I’m just fighting back” been used as an excuse for atrocious behavior.

            1. I hope you engage in a little personal introspection about your support for the riots with that statement.

              1. I have expressed zero support for rioting.

          3. “Because only progressives are allowed to wage war against the US, the people, and the president, while it’s illegitimate if we fight back?”

            Nardz- I would vastly, vastly prefer a Trump presidency to a Biden presidency. This isn’t about what is fair. This is about what is realistic. The fucking Left impeached Trump based on some operative’s recollection of a description of a phone call- which we got a transcript of that proves no such thing happened. They impeached him for something entirely in their heads.

            And now Trump is tweeting shit that directly supports the craziest fantasies in their heads. If you don’t see how bad this is for Trump, you need to open your eyes.

            1. Oh noez, the psychotics will be offended!

        2. “It will be a 4 star general marching him out of the White House.”

          Try it. At least Smedley Butler had the brains to not get involved, the last time that was (allegedly) thought up.

        3. And if he keeps this shit up, it isn’t going to be some long impeachment filled with legal maneuvering. It will be a 4 star general marching him out of the White House.

          That would actually be pretty hilarious if it happened.

    2. I thought it was all liberal paranoia, too. But Trump just went and validated their paranoia.

      McConnell is going to have to take Trump golfing, again, and have a little talk with him. Meanwhile, scads of Republican politicians are going to wave off reporters in hallways saying, “I haven’t seen the tweet yet.”

      1. This is the tweet that has you scared? Lol. What an idiot.

        1. So, you have nuthin except a personal insult.

          Same question I asked Nardz: Have you any misgivings with what Trump suggested?

        2. By the way, that I am scared is projection on your part. I am not too worried yet, since Trump doesn’t have the power to delay elections.

    3. Yep. What a dipshit thing to tweet.

      1. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

        Now that Trump suggested delaying the election, the #Resistance has to fight to hold a normal election at the normal time.

        1. That’s what I’m wondering- is this another instance where Trump is crazy like a fox? One thing about Trump, as opposed to most politicians, is he’s not afraid to invite short term ridicule in order to accomplish his long term goals. But throwing comments like that out there is playing a dangerous game even for him…

        2. That would make sense if anyone had been saying they had any other intention than holding elections as planned.

          1. I guess Pelosi and Schumer’s musings to the NYT aren’t anyone.

            1. Link to what you are referring to?

    4. I know it is a radical idea, but go read the FULL tweet.

      1. Isn’t helping.

        1. With Universal Mail-In Voting (not Absentee Voting, which is good), 2020 will be the most INACCURATE & FRAUDULENT Election in history. It will be a great embarrassment to the USA. Delay the Election until people can properly, securely and safely vote???

          It’s the first part that’s pissing you off, huh?

          1. First of all, what is the distinction between absentee and mail-in voting that Trump is making?

            Why did Trump himself use mail-in voting? (By the way, using a Florida address that is not to be used as a residential address, so his own vote is fraudulent.)

    5. Look up “gas lighting”.

      1. Wouldn’t gaslighting be if he tries to convince people, for example, that he was never opposed to mask wearing.

  22. Local story
    https://twitter.com/JohnWHuber/status/1288579143261728770

    I’m not sure everyone had fully internalized yet that Steele’s “primary sub source” was directly on his payroll, payments were laundered through a front company, and the source was dependent on that income from Steele to maintain his work permit to live in the United States

  23. The NBA didn’t just overlook Chinese abuse, it was part of it
    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/the-nba-didnt-just-overlook-chinese-abuse-they-were-part-of-it

    ESPN reported that the NBA’s basketball academies in China were wrought with abuse, with Chinese coaches physically abusing the young players. Commissioner Adam Silver said schooling would be central to the program, but in two of the three camps, none was provided. American coaches were surveilled and harassed.

    The goal of the academies, which took place in Chinese government facilities, was to find new players to increase Chinese excitement for the NBA. Two former NBA employees told ESPN the league wanted to “find another Yao,” referring to popular Chinese star Yao Ming, a member of the Basketball Hall of Fame and the chairman of the Chinese Basketball Association. Having another Chinese-born star in the NBA would have boosted interest in a market the NBA is increasingly reliant on.

    The report details that league officials knew of what was going on in these academies. One American coach called them “sweat camps.” NBA Deputy Commissioner Mark Tatum said the league wasn’t aware of any human rights issues in 2016 when it opened its camp in Xinjiang, where the Chinese government is detaining and torturing Uighur Muslims. Tatum later said, “Our job is not to take a position on every single human rights violation.”

    1. Fuck the NBA and Lebron. Cowardly jerk offs. Popovich, Cuban, Kerr. The whole lot. Useful idiots. The kneeled before China but they act tough bashing Trump from their shitty Twitter accounts.

      1. Plus they are racists, openly and proudly.
        Just look at the racial distributions among the NBA compared to the actual nation.

    2. That’s not a shock. Look at the US girls gymnastics complex. Even if you left out the decades of sexual abuse, the physical and emotional abuse they put those girls through, most of whom won’t even sniff the Olympics, should have been enough to shut it down.

      Using a communist-bloc training model, like the Lugosis did with gymnastics, and like the Chinese are doing here, is not one for using sports to encourage positive growth and development. It means you’re a cog in a machine, and the ones that don’t operate a certain way get discarded.

    3. NBA Deputy Commissioner Mark Tatum said the league wasn’t aware of any human rights issues in 2016 when it opened its camp in Xinjiang, where the Chinese government is detaining and torturing Uighur Muslims. Tatum later said, “Our job is not to take a position on every single human rights violation.”

      Apparently Tatum’s job is to be a moral coward so that his employer can continue to collect that sweet, sweet, renminbi. I’m kind of glad I lost interest in the NBA ~8 years ago.

  24. Late in an election cycle, politicians typically go after anybody less popular than they are and beat them up in public. Sometimes they beat up on gangs or drugs. Sometimes they beat up on terrorists or immigrants. In the past, we’ve had cycles where they beat up on Masons, alcoholics, communists, and Four Loko.

    Right now, outrageously wealthy tech CEOs fit the bill. That’s why they beat them up yesterday–because they’re one of the few groups who are less popular than incumbent politicians, beating them up on camera makes incumbent politicians seem popular by way of comparison.

    Some of the testimony was especially awful. They’d ask a CEO a question, then scream over the answer that they were taking back their time. It was just intended as a spectacle.

    The news media was lucky the social media people were in the cross-hairs this time. Social media billionaires may be the only part of legitimate society less popular than the news media. If it weren’t for social media, we might see the CEOs of AT&T, Disney, Fox, NBCUniversal, and ViacomCBS facing the Inquisitors.

    1. I’ll never forget the time they beat up on CEO Toyoda because Toyota was having safety issues at the time. Maxine Waters went after him because he wouldn’t admit that American auto workers made cars that were safer than Japanese workers. The CEO of Toyota kept telling her over and over again that the cars in question were all made by American workers. Waters couldn’t get it through her thick skull that Toyotas are manufactured in the USA, demonstrating, once again, that to progressives, reality itself is often inconceivable.

      1. Maxine Waters: The joke without a punchline.

        1. She is both the punchline and the set up. The alpha and omega of jokes, as it were.

    2. Some of the testimony was especially awful. They’d ask a CEO a question, then scream over the answer that they were taking back their time. It was just intended as a spectacle.

      I don’t understand, why these CEOs, knowing what they are getting in to and being by all accounts fairly smart people, don’t take over the script themselves.
      Senator from Arkansas: {some dumb questions about tech that doesn’t even have an answer}
      Facebook Guy: “I’m sorry Arkansas elected such a moron. Do you have a real question?”
      Senator from Arkansas: “You will show some respec–”
      Facebook Guy: {click}
      [screen goes blank, possibly with a note “For serious question and answer, link to …”

      I mean, their popularity with the public would only go up, if they showed some sass to the blowhard politicians.

  25. https://twitter.com/TheDailyShow/status/1288593104220704769

    Fox News vs. Fox News on the use of Federal agents

    1. Daily show huh. Did you even bother to understand contextual differences on the situation. Or just reflexively posted because it agrees with your own beliefs?

    2. Fox is almost like big brother from 1984.

      1. You mean Emmanuel Goldstein.

    3. TheDailyShow!

      Okay, lol.

  26. Political preening, petty grievances, and a terrifying cluelessness ruled…

    Sounds like any day that ends in “y.”

    1. …they quickly glossed over any complicated issues, clearly preferring to spend their allotted questioning time getting good video clips of themselves.

      Again, sounds like any other day that ends in”y.”

  27. https://twitter.com/dcexaminer/status/1288771766043762688

    St. Louis Circuit Attorney Kim Gardner, who is charging the McCloskeys with felony weapons charges, took several trips funded by an anti-gun liberal group that she failed to disclose, including travel to Portugal.

    That’s a violation of St. Louis law.

    1. And…nothing happened?

    2. She has now used the case in fund raising mailers.

  28. So by Patrick Hedger’s reasoning an app’s presence in an app store is taking up scarce resources the same way the ingredients for a less popular dish take up space in a restaurant’s food storage spaces? Does Mr. Hedger understand how scarcity can be relative and that he is comparing favorably very different circumstances?

    And Feeney’s post…if the platform is not liable for user’s content, why are they so hellbent on censorship?

    1. if the platform is not liable for user’s content, why are they so hellbent on censorship?

      Because most social media users don’t want to wade through a sewer of garbage content in order to watch their cat videos?

      1. Psst
        (Sewers don’t convey garbage)

        1. Right, they convey shit, which is a more apt comparison to 99% of user generated content on the internet.

          1. Who knew that Ted Sturgeon was an optimist?

          2. Especially Jeff’s

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  30. A non-grandstanding congressional hearing about Big Tech:

    https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20200729/12402745004/former-rep-chris-cox-used-his-testimony-tuesdays-senate-hearing-internets-foundational-law-to-do-some-myth-busting.shtml

    Has some interesting insight into the origins of Section 230.

    1. According to his own testimony: Neither ammendment had the ability to pass of their own merits but if they amalgamated them so that his act was approved with the very piece of legislation it was designed to counter, it could stand on its own merits. Ergo valid and Constitutional as deigned by the man who helped draft it.

      Sounds exactly like section 230 in a nutshell to me, bog-standard spoilt sausage churned out by people who, in 2020, understand both the internet *and* people about as well as they did in 1995.

    2. Origins aside; go ahead and tell me that you want Republican Representative Chris Cox or his friends, colleagues, and successors deciding what constitutes good faith moderation of the internet and then explain how Josh Hawley can’t decide what does and does not constitute good faith moderation.

      1. Because their approaches are not the same?
        I absolutely want the government to have a hands-off approach when it comes to content moderation. Cox agrees with me. Hawley doesn’t.

        1. Their approaches are exactly the same. The only difference is the degree of success.

          Cox passed legslation putting decisions about good faith moderations in Congress’s hands. The current hearings are a direct result. If you don’t like the hearings, repeal section 230 and let it be heard in (lower) courts. Hawley’s ability to propose changes to section 230 is also a direct result of Cox’s actions. If you don’t like it, repeal section 230. The only other alternative(s) are to put the decisions in the hands of Executive, directly or indirectly. The latter two (3) options being more Consistent with the letter of the 1A.

          And I’ve been generous about ‘non-grandstanding’ but the fact that you can draw some sort of meaningful distinction between Cox and Hawley calls your evaluations about grandstanding into question:

          Having him [Cox] as a witness on Tuesday’s panel was a bit like having James Madison show up to testify about what he was thinking when he wrote the Bill of Rights.

          Setting aside the gross distinction between Cox and Madison, are we supposed to pretend that Madison is going to show up and testify that he was wrong on the whole Marbury issue? Or that, even if he does maintain his rectitude, that then we’ve had it all wrong since then? If Cox had shown up and said, “It’s not the bill I wrote, it’s a claptrap compromise assembled by nameless aids to roughly resemble my ideas but, more importantly, to pass.” (which is effectively what he said) would you then be opposed?

          1. Cox passed legslation putting decisions about good faith moderations in Congress’s hands.

            No, the congressional power to do anything with regards to content moderation comes (for better or for worse) from the interstate commerce clause, not from Cox’s legislation. Yes, both Cox did, and Hawley does, have the ability to use that same constitutional power to regulate content moderation, but their approaches are very different.

            If you’re asking that in an ideal world, should the state have power at all to regulate content moderation on the Internet, then I would have to answer no, with of course the usual caveats about libel, slander, true threats, etc. But that means all branches of the state, not just Congress. I’m not confident that the courts or the executive would get it right.

            But in the real world, if the state is going to exercise power to regulate content moderation on the Internet, then it should be a hands-off approach, i.e., Cox’s. Not Hawley’s, who wants to use the Internet itself as a front in the culture wars.

            1. No, the congressional power to do anything with regards to content moderation comes (for better or for worse) from the interstate commerce clause

              You realize that this rather explicitly says that free speech is/was just a foil to expand Congress’ reach via the commerce clause, right? And that the free speech guarantees are just a foil? I know you’re going to try the old “Section 230 says the coin landed both heads up and heads down, depending on how you look at it.” bullshit, but brass tacks, either it expanded Congress’ reach of the interstate commerce clause further into the digital realm or it protected free speech, it can’t do both.

              But that means all branches of the state, not just Congress. I’m not confident that the courts or the executive would get it right.

              Sure, but the alternative isn’t sunshine and daisies. If you don’t have some means of resolving private disputes people will start lynching and shooting each other in the streets and you’ll have no authority or legitimacy to stop it. Executive, Congress, or Judiciary pick one that’s the most reactive, flexible, directly participated in by the public at large, etc., etc.

              But in the real world, if the state is going to exercise power to regulate content moderation on the Internet, then it should be a hands-off approach, i.e., Cox’s. Not Hawley’s, who wants to use the Internet itself as a front in the culture wars.

              At this point you’re being oxymoronic. Cox’s approach isn’t hands off; see past, current, and ongoing hearings and per your statements about the interstate commerce clause, it isn’t designed to be. I absolutely agree that Hawley’s is more invasive but cards on the table honesty, you’ve indicated that you don’t care if we have to go with a more invasive approach or not.

  31. https://twitter.com/SissyWillis/status/1288433183474712576

    .
    @stephenkruiser
    : “They’re desperate to keep Biden hidden until as many early & mail-in votes as possible are cast because they know the 1st time he’s on his own in public he’s going to pull down his mask & start sniffing strangers/”

  32. https://twitter.com/ABCNewsLive/status/1288525735603441665

    Dr. Anthony Fauci to
    @DrJAshton
    : “If you have goggles or an eye shield, you should use it. It’s not universally recommended, but if you really want to be complete, you should probably use it if you can.” http://

    1. Said while never using goggles or an eye shield.

      Don’t be surprised if this is the next social control measure.

    2. Said the guy who takes off the mask at the baseball game .

  33. Maybe there was grandstanding but it’s pretty clear these punks running tech are acting like passive-aggressive clowns.

    Listening to that Twitter exec talk to the Knesset was cringe-creepy. Illiterate illiberal morons.

    I hope Dorsey becomes a hobo and hangs out the Queensboro Bridge handing out hand jobs one day.

  34. I agree with Trump. Lets delay the election for a year. Make Nancy President as of 1/20/2021. Watch Republican heads explode all over the country.

    1. That’s not who it goes to.
      I think Chuck Grassley would actually be in line if something like that happened.
      Of course, the people could simply decide to stop tolerating you misanthropic leftists instead

      1. It must really irritate you that The Purge is only a fictional movie.

        1. We’re seeing that going on in blue cities right now, so I don’t know what you’re crying about.

          1. Yea, it would be a drive, but if I really wanted to “purge” I could just drive to any number of blue cities and put on a blm shirt

            1. Imagine how many more people Paddock would’ve killed if he’d targeted a riot rather than a concert. Barring conspiracy theories, he probably would’ve gotten away* with it. Hell the only reason the guy in Houston didn’t kill more people is because he was specifically targeting white police officers.

              *Probably escape the scene, probably not escape the ensuing manhunt.

              1. Depends. Paddock had an advantage in that he had ready access to an elevated position with a clear line of sight. Doing something similar in Portland or Seattle would be a lot harder, if not impossible, to pull off.

                Anyone motivated to cause real havoc at one of these things would have to do a Haymarket or Boston Marathon-type incident. Vest Boy was the one who made up the IED with a bunch of fireworks, and it wouldn’t be that hard to bring something like that to a riot to really throw things into chaos. You can’t buy dynamite at the hardware stores anymore like what Weatherman did, but you can get plenty of gunpowder, especially if you buy fireworks by the bucketload during the 4th of July or tubs for reloading at the gun stores.

                1. People don’t seem to have problems making things like TATP in
                  Manchester and Belgium.

                  Agreed that bombs are the way to go if you want to rack up the body count. And get away with it to do it again.

                  1. I believe Vest Boy’s IED was a bunch of M-80s that were taped together. They did find that van in Seattle that had a bunch of IEDs in them, as well.

                2. I agree that if you just want numbers quickly explosives would be the way to go, but everything I’ve seen in Portland and/or Seattle (none first hand), there are plenty of buildings that provide more than sufficient elevation, better proximity, and look awfully abandoned. Fish in a barrel v. candy from babies AFAICT.

              2. Dallas, but yeah.

                Amazing, the lying in plain sight that happened with the Paddock case, and poof, out of the public consciousness it goes.

                1. Dallas, but yeah.

                  Right. With all the peaceful BLM protests, it’s getting hard to keep track of which kids were shot where and which kids were orphaned where.

  35. When you mix in individual US states the lockdown narrative breaks down even more. Data from Worldometer.
    https://twitter.com/BryceGillFT/status/1288486579674243073

  36. The Trump administration continues to make progress in its efforts to get the USA out of Afghanistan.

    “The U.S.-Taliban deal signed Feb. 29 was touted as the best hope for peace in Afghanistan after decades of war. While the U.S. and NATO have already begun reducing their troop strength, the second phase of the deal — which calls for talks between the Taliban and the Kabul political leadership — has been delayed. Much of the delays have been as a result of Kabul’s reluctance to free several hundred of the Taliban prisoners identified for release as part of the agreement.

    Kabul had claimed those Taliban prisoners were hardened criminals, guilty of major crimes.

    But on Tuesday, Afghan President Ashraf Ghani said he was ready to free the remainder of the prisoners, without specifying why the change of heart or if an agreement had been reached with the Taliban to substitute some of them, a proposal the Taliban earlier rejected.

    Under the deal, Kabul is to release 5,000 Taliban and the insurgents had promised to free 1,000 government and military personnel. So far, Kabul has freed bout 4,000 and the Taliban nearly 800.

    “With this action, we look forward to the start of direct negotiations with the Taliban in a week’s time,” said Ghani in the Afghan capital Kabul.

    —-Associated Press, July 29, 2020

    https://apnews.com/6890a0305b82ba39ce4c25415090f938

    The Trump administration has withheld aid from the U.S. backed government of Afghanistan because they were dragging their feet on the exchange of prisoners. Now that the final prisoner exchange appears to be happening, the peace talks that he’s saying will begin are to be focused on a permanent ceasefire between the Afghan government and the Taliban and a power sharing agreement.

    It should be noted that the Taliban has abided by the terms of the peace agreement that President Trump negotiated with them, and if President Trump is reelected, the United States is scheduled be out of Afghanistan by May of 2021 and almost certainly will leave. I haven’t heard Biden say anything about Trump’s peace plan, its progress or his support, but I doubt he would have the cajones to negotiate with terrorists for fear that they would make a fool of him like Putin made a fool of President Obama.

    1. The possibility of ending the war in Afghanistan is reason enough to vote for Trump. I fully expect Biden to at least “alter the deal” if not cancel it altogether in order to bolster his “tough on terrorists” bona fides.

      1. The Taliban may be a bunch of assholes, but they have power because they represent a significant portion of the citizens in the region. Biden, like his buddy who was president, would never negotiate with the Taliban and they are impotent to end the conflict because of it. Pretending they don’t exist will never make them go away.

  37. Bloomberg TV is reporting that Herman Cain just died of COVID-19.

    1. Fake news.

        1. Well it’s OBVIOUSLY fake news because Covid is just a big hoax, remember?

          1. That you and DOL have adopted this talking point from your lefty boos is utterly hilarious.

          2. I remember you lying that people had called it a hoax.

        2. Not disagreeing with your fact but, c’mon Ken, you’re not stupid enough to think that’s a good idea.

          https://hermancain.com/heartbroken-world-poorer-herman-cain-gone-lord/

          1. Er… combating fake news with The Hill?…

            *mumble*goddamned edit button*mumble*

            1. He’d dead no matter which source we link, and his death isn’t fake news no matter who reports it.

              1. He’d dead no matter which source we link, and his death isn’t fake news no matter who reports it.

                Are you the same guy who said something about the people who get their TV/News OTA or from a cable provider but not from their provider’s network(s)?

                If so, please clarify why it matters.

    2. I mean, it’s not totally shocking that a 74 year old who has battled cancer died from the Rona. However, the optics are terrible for Trump since Cain was noted for his attendance at the Tulsa rally in the weeks before he tested positive. The media will have a field day with the “Trump killed Herman Cain” narrative.

      1. I think that’s a lot of people’s fantasies.

        Climbing on top of Herman Cain’s dead body to making fun of President Trump isn’t likely to lose him any support. It’s more likely to make the people doing the climbing seem like tasteless ghouls.

        P.S. Herman Cain’s corpse would make a better president than Joe Biden.

        1. P.S. Herman Cain’s corpse would make a better president than Joe Biden.

          Almost any corpse would make a better president than Joe Biden. Hell, I’m not entirely convinced that “Diamond” Joe isn’t a corpse himself.

          1. “Weekend At Biden’s”

      2. Fuck the media and their lying, coordinated attempts to cause an economic depression in this country because they’re still butthurt about Clinton losing.

        The guy was 74, a cancer survivor (which I didn’t know before this thread), and fat. Or at least, he was before the cancer. It’s sad. So was Scalia kicking it. Old people die. Well, except for Ginsburg.

  38. Congress Wants To Regulate Big Tech. They Still Don’t Understand It.

    And this is different from every other industry they regulate how?

    1. Congress of 2020 still doesn’t understand Big Tech but the Congress of 1995, but not the prior Congresses that coexisted with the internet, had it spot on.

    2. Congress of 2020 still doesn’t understand Big Tech but the Congress of 1995, but not the prior Congresses that coexisted with the internet, had it spot on.

      Except for the massive parts of the very same legislation that they repealed. That part they got wrong. Oh, and maybe net neutrality too.

      But other than that, they totally grokked the internet, better than guys like Bezos, Brin, and Zuckerburg, which is why they’re schooling them on it now.

  39. “Only two counties in Tennessee have non-worrying rates of COVID-19 transmission”

    What the fuck is a non-worrying rate? Who is on the state worry board and how are they certified? A typical person might “worry” about a lot of things, and grandma types worry about everything.
    How stupid can we be to use “worry” as an analytical or planning criteria?

    1. They’re experts, Earth Skeptic. You can’t question the science.

      Four out of five dentists surveyed recommend Dentyne to their patients who chew gum.

  40. Political preening, petty grievances, and a terrifying cluelessness ruled House lawmakers’ Thursday questioning

    Wait, are we talking about the William Barr hearings?

    1. What alternative universe is your interdimensional cable tuned into?

      Who is this Barr, and why would there be a hearing?

      1. My understanding is it wasn’t much of a hearing, but more of a one-way shouting.

        1. “Was that before or after the fires were put out?” was a pretty epic mic drop. Same hearing(s), right?

        2. Oh, so this Barr guy everybody was shouting at, they must have caught him running around setting fires in Portland–is that why they were shouting at him, because he’s an arsonist?

          1. For shame that you don’t know who Barr was, he’s the former Republican Congressman who ran for President on the Libertarian Party ticket. Oh, wait, no, that was Bob Barr. I don’t know who Bill Barr is, but I’m pretty damn sure I would have heard about it if he were involved in some kind of Congressional hearing recently. Since I haven’t heard anything about it, I’m quite certain there was no such hearing. Is Congress even in session right now?

            1. I think it’s best if we leave any subject on a Barr hearing alone.

              1. If a tree falls in the middle of a forest, it doesn’t make a sound unless it can be blamed on Trump.

              2. I think it’s best if we leave any subject on a Barr hearing alone.

                Two guys walked into a Barr, the third guy could hear him coming and got out of the way.

  41. Democrats are worried about “hate speech” and disinformation; Republicans are worried about being labeled as hate speech or disinformation.

    One of these groups is already getting what they want out of the tech companies.

  42. https://twitter.com/BobPriceBBTX/status/1287954724927479808

    EXCLUSIVE: Atlanta ‘Protesters‘ Embedded Nails into Fireworks, Leaked FBI Document States

    1. Can you prove it wasn’t a white supremacist posing as a protester.

      1. Wait, when did they go from mouth-breathing rednecks to strategic zen masters?

        1. And were they in black-face?

      2. Can you prove it was?

      3. You mean they aren’t all urban white supremacists posing as protesters?

        1. Just like Sarc.

      4. Haha. Those protesters sure are gullible. Being manipulated by white supremacists into rioting and burning stuff when they otherwise would’ve been peaceful, just like the good useful idiots they are. So says spazzle, anyway.

        Total respect for the cause tho, right spaz?

  43. What is this tweet and why is it included in this article:

    gop: fuck your business
    dems: fuck the concept of business at the conceptual level

    1. They’re just showing why we should continue to vest Congress the ability to determine what constitutes good faith moderation on the internet. Both sides even!

  44. With Universal Mail-In Voting (not Absentee Voting, which is good), 2020 will be the most INACCURATE & FRAUDULENT Election in history. It will be a great embarrassment to the USA. Delay the Election until people can properly, securely and safely vote???

    When I’m trolling, I put some chicken liver on the hook, but whatever you think works!

    1. My thought exactly – the Democrats have already been squawking about Trump planning on stealing the election, so when he says we should maybe hold off on having the election until we can be sure it’s a free and fair election, what can they say? “No, no! We insist on having the election that you’re planning on stealing right now!”? Not that these sorts of contradictory statements are any big deal to the Democrats, they’ll say whatever shit they need to.

      1. Obama: “i have 2 concerns about the election – that Trump won’t accept its legitimacy, and voter suppression”

        And the leftists won’t see any irony or hypocrisy in that statement…

    2. Trump hasn’t had to use bait in years.

      1. When you’re rich they just let you hook them…

          1. Fuck me I’m retarded. HTML tags, how do they work again?

  45. Hahahahahahah. @RepGregSteube is complaining that his campaign emails are going to spam (which he thinks only happens to Republicans). Uh, no dude. YOUR RECIPIENTS MARKED THEM AS SPAM.

    Not… necessarily. There are dozens of technologies and services which which use analytics to determine if an email is SPAM, without any intervention from the user. Google, Microsoft (O365 cloud) utilize these technologies. In this day and age, many users get things thrown into the SPAM folder they never specifically flagged as such.

    This is not to say that Steube’s complaints have any merit, but the tweeter above doesn’t understand technology any more than congress does.

    1. The tweeter understands most people don’t know much of anything, and can get away with telling half truths to sway opinions.

    2. There are dozens of technologies and services which which use analytics to determine if an email is SPAM, without any intervention from the user.

      And it should be pointed out or clarified that this is true at both the application or user level *and* the protocol or non-user level. Like if Google went to AT&T and said “We need a way to block all residential calls to anyone who uses our services.” and AT&T said, “OK”. It’s not like your residential calls get directed to your voicemail box by Google’s voicemail systems. The call just doesn’t connect. A point where Google and/or AT&T has arguably infringed on specific contract if not the social one.

      Not to legally conflate email with phone services or say that I (necessarily disagree with all the specific protocol interventions) but to convey that Google and Microsoft influence email delivery at levels far beyond and below the overwhelming majority of users.

    3. He’s really reaching because virtually everybody has a webmail account of some kind, and so nearly everybody (at least a large portion of everybody) has had the experience of losing an email only to find it in the spam folder.

      1. Exactly, and most of that spam got there through analytics of SPAM detection systems. Not by the user right clicking on the email and selecting “Flag as SPAM”

    4. No matter if you are republican or democrat, if you are sending mass unsolicited emails at people trying to raise money/bolster your campaign, it is spam. By definition. And your question is?

  46. They won’t stop reading wild accusations and then cutting off the tech CEOs when they try to somehow answer seriously and calmly

    Ah, this is about the Barr hearings.

  47. One more thing: in all the culture war and political posturing, we often overlook the fact that media businesses—emphasis on the business part there—are pushing political investigations and government regulations out of animosity toward tech companies

    No, actually we haven’t overlooked that at all. Some of us have been crowing about this in the comments for several years now.

  48. Fuck Congress. Oh, have I said that before? Well some of you might not have been paying attention. So here it is again. Fuck Congress.

  49. The next McCarthy moment can’t be far away.

    As an amazed television audience looked on, Welch responded with the immortal lines that ultimately ended McCarthy’s career: “Until this moment, Senator, I think I never really gauged your cruelty or your recklessness.” When McCarthy tried to continue his attack, Welch angrily interrupted, “Let us not assassinate this lad further, senator. You have done enough. Have you no sense of decency?”

    It’s coming. Can’t wait.

    1. But do we have anyone in Congress with integrity?

  50. BREAKING: Tennessee is down to just two counties with #COVID19 under control. 93 of 95 counties are classified by the state as having unacceptable rates of transmission. That means elderly people in long-term care facilities in those 93 counties cannot have visitors. @NC5 pic.twitter.com/AdOTxhJBA4

    — Phil Williams (@NC5PhilWilliams) July 30, 2020

    You got a cite for that? Because the two state sites I’ve visited said Tennessee had 21 new deaths (out of 1020 total) and 110 new hospitalizations (out of 4482 total) yesterday and 1778 new cases (out of 100,822 total) which doesn’t sound like any sort of alarming new uptick in the numbers to me. I suspect that you’re seeing the goalpost shifting of “flattening the curve” to “nobody gets the coronavirus at all” that leads to reporting “alarming” numbers that aren’t a damn bit alarming. Are hospitals overwhelmed? Bodies stacking up like cordwood? Exhausted doctors and nurses committing suicide? No? None of these things are happening? Then you’re just engaging in the panic porn of jerking yourself off wishing and hoping excitedly that something bad were happening and you’re just making shit up, it’s not real.

    1. I suspect that you’re seeing the goalpost shifting of “flattening the curve” to “nobody gets the coronavirus at all” that leads to reporting “alarming” numbers that aren’t a damn bit alarming.

      That started happening right after Fauci said the lockdowns should be lifted after seeing “no new cases, no new deaths” a couple of months ago.

      The last thing the media wants is an economic recovery until after the election.

      1. The last thing the media wants is an economic recovery until after the election.

        And if Trump gets reelected not even then.

        1. I expect the “lockdown forever” calls to start up immediately in the event that happens. That is, if the insurgents don’t burn their cities to the ground first (mass suicide would be better, especially if they go out like Thich Quang Duc).

        2. If Trump loses this shit will disappear from the media so fast your head will spin.

  51. https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/07/trump-is-filling-the-government-with-an-army-of-kooks.html

    The standard for what constitutes “fringe beliefs” on the right has moved. It used to be that a belief that there was widespread massive vote fraud was considered a fringe conspiracy belief. Now, that is considered a “fact” and what is now considered “fringe” involves things like demon sperm and whether John Podesta is a pedophile. It just descends further and further into paranoid nuttery.

    1. Now do the left.

      1. Core ethic of the left: whatever feelz bad.

        Next?

        1. “Everything is so terrible and unfair!”

    2. And yet it’s still not as crazy as what the left demands when they are in power.

    3. Putting aside the ‘fraudulent’ part, Trump has repeatedly warned about the ‘chaos’ of massive absentee voting and, to be fair, he has been at least anecdotally vindicated.

      I’d post more ‘straight news’ links but I’d go into moderation hell. However, even on the fraud part, there have been some alarming cases, the only question is “is it major enough to bitch about it”. I won’t say without further research.

      But there are progressive groups that are starting to whinge about the mass-absentee ballot situation, after mocking Trump’s ‘chaos’ comments viciously.

      Georgia, Nevada, North Dakota, South Carolina and West Virginia held elections this week.

      Here’s how the primary in Georgia went: “It’s a hot, flaming, f—-ing mess,” Nse Ufot, executive director of voting rights organization New Georgia Project, told Politico.

      The election there resulted in an investigation by the secretary of state and criticism from prominent figures ranging from Hillary Clinton to LeBron James.

      But back to the ‘fraud’ side, it’s not a ‘fringe’ belief to be concerned about it. It might be wrong-headed to say that the fraud that’s been confirmed as occurring has any meaningful effect, but it’s not ‘kooky fringe’. The media made it out to be ‘kooky fringe’ because, in my opinion, they knew which way the fraud that does occur tended to lean, and didn’t want to shine a light on it.

    4. It’s not paranoid if you guys are actually trying to.

    5. “It used to be that a belief that there was widespread massive vote fraud was considered a fringe conspiracy belief.”
      Umm you might wanna check Nixon v JFK. Voter fraud was the conventional wisdom.

  52. Jenny “Summer of Love” Durkan is beginning to show signs that she’s been humbled.

    But she called what was found in the van “evidence that not everyone who comes to these protests are peaceful. Peaceful protesters do not show up in a van full of … explosives.”

    1. they’re still mostly peaceful, in between bombing runs

  53. >>Only two counties in Tennessee have non-worrying rates of COVID-19 transmission

    relative. i’m not worried at all.

  54. also long live Herman Cain.

      1. i loved the Godfather’s Pizza in my grandma’s town

  55. More ENB trash writing by Twitter quotes and retweets. I guess she shines when it’s about hookers and blow.

  56. So the bottom line is Big Tech deciding what is true is working just fine? Whew! That’s a relief!

    1. still way better than Congress deciding

    1. Knowing where you are and what time it is is racist. A bigot like you, who owes reparations to Biden’s people, should learn be more tolerant and respectful of other cultures.

    2. Poor old duffer. He should be sitting cosy in front of the TV, eating applesauce and watching Matlock.

      This election campaign is part of his penance for being a racist pedo, I suppose.

      1. I’m not kidding when I say that this is waltzing right into elder abuse. I still can’t believe the DNC rigged their primary in favor of this guy just to keep Bernie from getting the nomination. Klobuchar or Buttigieg would have at least been coherent, and Mayor Pete’s dark money connections, which came to light after the Iowa fiasco, would have even given him a fundraising advantage.

  57. No one in government, elected or bureaucrat, should be able to lay regulations on a business or an industry unless they can demonstrate both that they understand how that business/industry works and what the effects of their regulation (both positive and negative) will accomplish.

  58. Congress doesn’t want to regulate big tech, they wan to scare it so they can extort big tech. Lots of campaign dollars there.

    Hey you give me a lot of $$s and I will make sure you get some favorable legislation…wink, wink.

  59. Google steals APIs from Oracle. Virtually all big tech firms sell your info.

    There is very little “tech” in big tech.

    They simply use computers to speed up the process of getting information from point A to point Z.

  60. Since when has Congress needed to understand something to regulate it? That would be an entirely new concept!

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